The historical fact is that Mohammed married a nine year old girl. By almost any civilized standards that would appear to make him a pedophile. Yet somehow it is taboo to point out this obvious truth. It may be fine and well to be sensitive of another religion. But at the point where being sensitive translates into ignoring facts or worse, being punished for stating them, something is fucked up.

"By almost any civilized standards...."

What century did that happen in? I'm sorry, but it wasn't that long ago New Hampshire allowed thirteen year old girls to marry. In fact they still might.

So what's your point? That there is little difference between a nine year old and a thirteen year old? Or that somehow pedophilia not that big a deal so deserves to be edited out of the historic record? What are you saying?

My point is that times change. You live in your times and he lived in his. You wouldn't keep slaves but your grandfather might have.

You wouldn't have married a thirteen year old girl, but oddly enough my grandfather did so. That was in the 1930's.

The irony of this is that I believe in moral absolutes. Where you and I part company is the usefulness of lecturing dead generations about it.

Modern islam teaches that it perfectly acceptable to marry a 9 yr old girl.
If they didn't, I would agree that it is a moot point.
Islam is trying to force its way into the modern world with 10th century customs,it just isn't going to happen.
Muslims follow Gods law over mans and this is the problem as I see it.
Not having a central authority, tribalism is a bitch when trying to sort out their problems.
Islam is a corrupt shell of what it is supposed to be.
Christian bashers turn now.

rwd

#5 | Posted by Zed

You have an excuse for everything and no answers.

Step away from the trunk.

rwd

"You have an excuse for everything and no answers..."

You have six thousand years of bad human behavior to condemn. Knock yourself out. I'll probably agree with you for the most part.

Point being made, it will never be anything more than a useless hobby. The dead don't care.

Zed, I don' care what culture you live in, marrying a nine year old is perverted. Especially if you're some in late twenties or older.
RWD is correct to point out that many many adherents of Islam believe they should follow "God's law" as opposed to man's law. If their interpretation of "God's law" is that it is okay to force nine year old to get married, then that is pretty fucked up. And should be fair game for debate and criticism.

"My point is that times change. "

By today's standards Lincoln was a rabid racist.

"And should be fair game for debate and criticism...."

Who am I to stop debate? Last time I looked, a sixteen year old girl could legally marry a fifty year old man in Texas. I've heard more than one person describe that as immoral.

So the question on the table really is---What marriage laws would you support to make it completely moral from your point of view?

Marriage laws where the pervert doesn't have to wait several years before the bride even begin to ovulate. How's that for a start? And if that's not common sense then you're also a perv.

"If that's not common sense then you're also a perv...."

So, if ovulation begins at aged twelve, as certainly happens, that's your standard?

Sounds perverted to me.

At a barest, barest of minimums, sure.

That's fine, MODER8, I appreciate your opinion. As for me, I wouldn't permit a twelve year old to get married and have sex. Period.

Back in Mohammed's time I think it was ok to fuck your sister.

Back in Mohammed's time I think it was ok to fuck your sister.

#19 | Posted by mysterytoy

And, given the incredible influence Mohammed has had on the modern world, I think it is fair to point that fact. I think it's fair to argue that modern Islamic morality is fundamentally flawed as evidenced by the pedophilic beliefs which were generally accepted at the time those influences were first being formed.

As far as the whole 9 vs 13 debate let me chime in since I have an 8.5 year old daughter and a 13 year old daughter. While any guy that tried to marry the 13 yr old would be shot the fact is she is a fully developed woman just an immature mind. The 8.5 year old is very clearly still a little girl. To compare marrying between the two is insane.

Sorry muslims marrying a 9 year old at any time in history is pedophilia.

The point of this thread, though, is that it has become taboo, or politically incorrect to point out the fact that Mohammed arguably was a pedophile. Even on a so-called liberal blog like this one pointing out that fact can lead to censorship. It would not be a big deal but for the fact that the man founded the world's largest religion, as well as among the most violent and controversial system of beliefs which exist today. If Mohammed was a complete perv, which I suspect he was, then why should the facts surrounding that be off limits in the context of almost any religious discussion involving Islam?

It is difficult nowadays to discuss or make comments about the Islamic prophet Mohammed.

You act as if the people who call Mohammed a pedophile are making an earnest effort to discuss Islam.

They're not. The people who make that statement are interested in insulting Muslims and/or making them mad. That's the entire point of saying it.

The comment is not conducive to discussion, any more than it would be to accuse Jews of blood libel or respond to every discussion of Catholics by talking about the crimes of the Inquisition.

You can argue that it's a historical fact, but the idea that we can talk about people more than 1,000 years old with precise factual accuracy is a bit absurd. Particularly when they are revered religious figures around which any number of beliefs have been attached.

I think it's fair to argue that modern Islamic morality is fundamentally flawed as evidenced by the pedophilic beliefs which were generally accepted at the time those influences were first being formed.

Would you argue the same about Mormons? About Catholics? About 19th century Americans? It's not like we have to go back 1,500 years to find people who accepted underage marriage and/or have become linked to rampant sex abuse of children.

Genesis 19:8: "Now behold, I have two daughters who have not had relations with man; please let me bring them out to you, and do to them whatever you like; only do nothing to these men, inasmuch as they have come under the shelter of my roof."

This is from the Bible itself. Should we judge Christians as having "fundamentally flawed" morality because their holy book endorses giving your children to mobs for sex to protect your male houseguests?

Rcade: I have no problem with engaging in a discussion of the moral flaws of any religious teachings from a modern perspective. The point is, people can and do frequently engage in such discussions as it pertains to Christianity in it's many forms. But when it comes to Islam there seems to be a taboo.

AS for Genesis 19:8, I can make an argument that the real lesson of that verse is to try and reinforce the sacred duty of hospitality. Better something bad happen to my own children than that strangers who have come to me and placed their trust in me be harmed in any way while under my roof.

I'm not saying I buy that shit. The point is, an honest discussion can be had. We never hear honest discussions about the contradictions of Islam. It is almost taboo for fear of giving offense.

Do we know that Mohammad fathered any children with his new bride? It might have been a marriage on paper only and he had other wives for intimacy.

God hates shrimp.

-DR Bible Interpreters

Methinks Moder8 and Taowarrior are about to have a Fatwa put on them. They better hide.

Ray jokes about fatwas. How many people over the years have had death threats aka fatwas put out on them simply for having the nerve to openly speculate about Islam?

I think the Fatwa for Mod will come from Jimbo Carville or Howie Dean. He is an embarassment to the party.

#32 | Posted by The_Chapel

The problem with your post-YOU are an embarrassment to the Human Race......

But when it comes to Islam there seems to be a taboo.

There wasn't a taboo until it was done several dozen times.

Then I guess speculating about Jesus is fair game too.

I think he was a bastard child. Joseph wanted to break off the engagement when he found out Mary was pregnant. For some reason, he bought Mary's excuse that she was impregnated by God. We'll never know who Jesus' real father was.

Now I remember. In the Noah's Ark story, the sons of god came down to earth to impregnate women. It was one of them who impregnated Mary.

When men began to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were fair; and they took to wife such of them as they chose. (Gen 6:1-2)

And Ray, if you wanted to start such a thread and engage the topic, go for it. What I think Rcade is saying is that some people use the pretense of "debate" as a way flinging offensive shit in the direction of people they personally don't like.

And for purposes of self honesty, I know that is something on occasion have been known to do as well.

To answer the title of this thread, "How to Discuss The Prophet Mohammed?"

Anonymously.

Moder8

I have no dislike for you. I just happen to believe all religions are fucked up.

Did You know there used to NOT be a minimum age to marry in the great State of Kansas with Parents permission. Yes that is correct a person could marry a newborn baby just fresh out of the box with parental consent. They made it a law back in I want to say January of 2006. It was changed because a 12 Year old married a 14 year old from Nebraska in Kansas. It's craziness I tell You. If I ever do decide to get hitched I want one with at least 30 growth rings.

Larry

As per the thread. If it is a dumpable offense to disparage the Prophet Mohammed then it should also be a dumpable offense to disparage the United States. Fair is Fair.

Larry

I had a freaked-out humming bird in my garage from at least 2 PM until I finally got him-or-her out at 6:20. Poor little critter's brain kept it trapped against the ceiling of the garage. I finally pushed it down a few feet with a broom and it split. I have no clue where it stores the gas for that engine.

There wasn't a taboo until it was done several dozen times.

#34 | Posted by rcade

rcade must have found himself a new Pakistani mouth toy.

Sign on as Chump Change next time you post on this clown parade you idiot.

rwd

Ummmmmmm Zat those Humming Birds are Hybrid birds. They turn sugar into fluid power and solar into electrical generating power. They don't need to steal Your precious gas from Your glorified Volkswagon Porsche.

Larry

Let me add my two cents, since I am a Muslims and ought to know more than most on this subject.

There is no real evidence that Mohamed's wife was 9 years old.

The topic is much disputed in Islam itself.

The only documentation that Aisha was 9 years old, came from one guy, who later went mad (schizoid) and who blinded himself.

Evidence from such sources is disregarded in modern courts.

Also, a number (tens of thousands) of "saying of Mohamed" that came out of Iraq at that time, have been dismissed by Islamic scholars as nonsense.

This too came from Iraq.

On the other hand, there is more than enough evidence that Aisha was around 16 years old (possibly as young as 13-14, though unlikely) based on a number of key events that took place in the lives of people around them.

Aisha's sister was exactly ten years older than she was and her age is known. Based on that evidence alone, most Muslims now take Aisha to have been around 16.

Yes, there are still books full of old sources that say she was 9 (and those books will remain, since nothing is ever deleted in Islam). But according to proper research, that can no longer be taken as fact.

Now if by modern standards, a guy over 40 marrying a 14-16 year old is considered wrong... that's history for you. LOL

One should consider that the saying "Aisha was 9 years old when she married Mohamed" only came into existence AFTER the people mentioned had long passed away.

As long as Aisha was alive, nobody claimed she had been 9.... because that was just something someone made up later. LOL

Even today, we have hear all sorts of lies about people who have passed away.... including anti-Jewish quotations of Ben Franklin.

I am pretty sure Ben Franklin was not anti-Jewish and he never said such things.

But people claim he was.

This is the price famous people pay for being famous and dead. You get lies and legends associated with you.

Ask Nanc the troll.

It's not like we have to go back 1,500 years to find people who accepted underage marriage

My Granma married my Granpa (second wife) when she was around 12 and he was in his 30s.

This was way back in the 1920's I think.

Not unusual back then at all. Very unusual NOW however. In fact, now, it's against the law.

Does that horrify me?

No, not really.

What horrifies me is how my family tried to kill the King of Afghanistan and had to run off to Pakistan (India, back then).

What horrifies me is that I am ten-thousandth in line to be King of Afghanistan (same Durrani clan as King Zahir Shah).

What horrifies me, is that I might be the only person who can unite all the tribes of Afghanistan.

Who needs this grief? LOL

My granma marrying granpa when she was 12..? That's nothing compared to what granpa and his family had gotten away with before.

If it is a dumpable offense to disparage the Prophet Mohammed then it should also be a dumpable offense to disparage the United States. Fair is Fair.

And then it should also be a dumpable offense to disparage Pakistan, no?

Idiot.

Countries are fair game.

Religious figures are not.

I say plenty of bad stuff about America and Americans just as people say plenty of bad stuff about Pakistan and Pakistani. That does not mean they are insulting Islam or that I am insulting Jesus.

I NEVER say anything bad about Jesus, since Jesus is the second most important prophet in Islam after Mohamed himself.

Do you understand the difference, you religious nutter?

I have never seen a people get so effected by who their President happens to be, than Americans are.

Just like Bush was an idiot, Americans became idiotic trying to justify his crazy behavior.

Just as Obama happens to be a snake-in-a-suit, he has left you confused and that is reflected in your posts.

Me... we... don't care WHO are President is... we know everyone one of them will be an asshole anyway.

Who cares.

Who cares.

YOU care.

There are plenty of posts on DR about Obama did this, Obama did that, Obama's mother-in-law practices voodoo-witchcraft in White House... LOL

This IS a political blog, or haven't you figured that out yet?

There have been also plenty of posts and threads of how Obama is a 'stealth muslim' (whatever the hell that means)... which makes the current topic of this thread somewhat relevant.

If you have a "stealth muslim" or two hiding under your bed, I would assume you are smart enough to figure out what do about it.

You think his being named "Hussain" is an insult to America?

I think his being named "Hussain" is an insult to Muslims everywhere. LOL

But it's a funny sort of insult. Like a soda without bubbles.

Tosser-
Have you figured out that you have your own country to fix, but that you are too much of a coward to even try?

Have you figured out that you have your own country to fix

Every country on the planet has got problems to fix.

So what?

Pakistan's biggest problem was, "taliban" and that is not a problem anymore. It was fixed in 2 months.

Pakistan's next biggest problem is our President who has been diagnosed with mental problems.

That is also going to be fixed... Mushi is thinking of coming back! LOL

I have done much to "fix" many things in my own way, not the least by writing about them in the newspapers (I am a freelance writer... very part-time, just for fun).

What have YOU done to fix America's slide into the gutter?

What have YOU done to fix your people getting killed for nothing in Afghanistan?

What have YOU done, to find Osama?

Oh, that's right... nothing. LOL

Coward.

Tosser-
Post a letter you've written.

Post an article you've written.

Post a letter you've written.

Nope. That would reveal my real name and address and phone number.

It's not "letters to the editor" you idiot.

I write whole articles. LOL

I will give you a clue... they only come in DAWN newspaper.

Post an article you've written.

Not happening.

Look what it sez on my YouTube channel...

Nope. That would reveal my real name and address and phone number.

Not if you block that out.

All I see is a gasbag doing the safe thing by blaming others and bashing another country. I don't see anything but a coward who refuses to have the courage of his convictions; one who wishes to CLAIM that he stands up to HIS OWN GOVERNMENT without having to then demonstrate that claim. This rings more than hollow, and smells a bit, too.

I even managed to get two people fired from their jobs

That case is in court right now actually. They want to know who the fuck uploaded that. LOL

So no, I will not give you the link to that either.

Not if you block that out.

Won't work.

All of DAWN is searchable on the internet. You just have to google one sentence of my article and my name will pop up.

Using another name, I even managed to get two people fired from their jobs, by taping their conversation and putting it on YouTube. LOL

#63 | Posted by Tosser at 2009-09-20 02:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

My! Aren't you the brave anonymous one who cowers in fear of his own gov't while criticizing another.

without having to then demonstrate that claim.

So don't believe me. I don't care.

What is the problem? LOL

You are the one who brought it up by more or less asking me what good have I done.

Would you lose favor at your job/post in your country if your name were known, or is your shit so weak you are the fourth tier David Broder of Pakistan?

So don't believe me. I don't care.

Okay. We'll go with that.

Aren't you the brave anonymous one who cowers in fear

1. Only a stupid person is not afraid of a lawyer.

2. There is no bravery in using a mobile-phone to record someone and upload their crap to YouTube.

If anyone finds out it was me, I swear, I will get a summons the next day and be made to pay millions in damages. LOL

Yawwwwwwwnnnnnn same ole shit just different day from Tosser.

Would you lose favor at your job/post in your country if your name were known

Like I explained, I have no wish to be sued for millions in damages.

No, I can't lose my job because I am my own boss. But I can be sued.

same ole shit

And same old shit from boring old Larry.

You can't claim you have lived until you get your ass chased by lawyers.

your shit so weak

I never wrote anything controversial or political.

I only go after people like cops caught taking bribes and such... roads that haven't been repaired... trees being cut down, etc.

Most of my stuff has to do with the environment.

When I have done real damage, I have always been anonymous and I have never dragged the DAWN newspaper into it.

So Lawyers ride Donkeys(asses) and chase people in Your Country?? That is very odd Tosser. In this Country if a Lawyer is chasing You He or She usually drives a beamer or a jaguar.

Larry

In this Country if a Lawyer is chasing You He or She usually drives a beamer or a jaguar.

Over here they come in a Suzukis or Toyotas.

Never ever make it easy for the bastards.

I never wrote anything controversial or political.

Of course not. You couldn't do that. It would be risky to criticize your own gov't, which you might actually have the power to affect through your writing.

It's much easier to stick to safe topics and only be "controversial or political" on an anonymous blog about another country, in which you don't vote or live.

If true,at least he married her.You could buy nine year olds in those days.You could buy them here before the civil war.

You couldn't do that.

I could.

But since I don't work for the newspaper, I don't have their protection from being sued.

It would be risky to criticize your own gov't, which you might actually have the power to affect through your writing.

There are plenty of people who do a fine job of that.

I stick to environmental issues, since I feel that has the most effect on our lives.

I am pleased to say, I have been successful at it.

only be "controversial or political" on an anonymous blog

I do it on American and Pakistani blogs.

That is what blogs are for.

Oh... and I also wrote a few book reviews. LOL

Writing three book reviews paid more than enough for the computer I am using now.

So I wrote something, and I got a new computer, so I can come here and fuck with you all.

See? Writing has it's benefits. LOL

It does.

You are quite successful at being an obsequious coward.

You are quite successful at being an obsequious coward.

Well, if that is how you choose to see it, then you ought to know, "cowards live long and healthy". LOL

Oh, and BTW, you just accepted I write for a newspaper.. after saying you don't believe it. LOL

Confused American.

Tosser is stealthy.... the original "stealth muslim"!

Tosser is anonymous!

Tosser dishes out pain, suffering and embarrassment, like a ghost who can't be seen!

Someone should make a movie on me. It will be an epic.

It will be an epic.

As long as it isn't a saga,those are way to long.

Tosser is also like Superman with a secret identity.

Mild mannered reporter who turns into Superman. Only in this case, I have a mobile phone and YouTube instead of heat-vision.

Far more damaging.

Can you fly?

As long as it isn't a saga,those are way to long.

Whatever it is, I want it to have some real kick-ass music.

Like Wagner's Valkyrie.

re: Oh, and BTW, you just accepted I write for a newspaper..

No. I commented that you were an obsequious coward.

Can you fly?

Like a brick.

I commented that you were an obsequious coward.

Yes... in the context of my writing on environmental issues in the papers.

Idiot. LOL

You know it's not so funny. Tosser declared that He was honorable by declaring that He would announce to a person that He would attack them and then attack them in the front. BUT when it comes to His writings against people He declares that He does so annonymously. Something smells rotten in Denmark and it sure isn't JeffnDenmark.

Larry

re:Like a brick.

Same way Wagner does opera.

Like Wagner's Valkyrie

I know that one."Kill the wabbit"

He would announce to a person that He would attack them and then attack them in the front. BUT when it comes to His writings against people He declares that He does so annonymously.

That is because, my target was also fucking up people anonymously.

All I did was expose them.

That is all I do with YouTube... expose people... bring them to the light.

It's a bit different than "knifing" someone.

"Kill the wabbit"

Exactly! Elmer Fudd.... LOL

He would announce to a person that He would attack them

Truth be told, I did that too, actually. Only I made it sound like a joke so they never took me seriously.

"hey, what if someone catches you taking bribes....?"

"naww... they aren't smart enough HAHAHAHAHAHAHA..."

I put THAT on YouTube... and I did warn them... in a way.

Rcade: Self proclaimed atheists on this site make completely offensive comments about Christianity in general and Jesus in particular all the time. It is my perception that insulting Jesus is a lot more acceptable in our society than insulting Mohammed. Why is that? Because we are intimidated? Because we are hypocrites?
Would you agree that it was completely inappropriate for many publications to refuse to publish the Scandinavian Mohammed cartoons, even though the cartoons were at the heart of a major controversy? I suspect you do.

I'd love to see those cartoons MODER8,got a link?

I don't. I suppose they shouldn't be too hard to find though, with a little bit of surfing.

It is my perception that insulting Jesus is a lot more acceptable in our society than insulting Mohammed. Why is that? Because we are intimidated? Because we are hypocrites?

Americans are an insulting people. You insult Jesus, you insult your country, your constitution and your history all the time.

That is why no American flags a Jesus insult.

And you think that is "free speech". Well, the noise of a whining idiot is not really "free speech".. it's just noise.

Let me ask you a question.

How many Americans wear American-flag underwear?

If that isn't an insult to the US ....

book review

Were you assigned them by Zubeida Musatafa, or did you send them in on your own?

Point is... Americans are so used to insulting what once made them great, they don't realize most of the world doesn't like their kind of "humor".

Do understand one thing before you insult Jesus again.

America became America because of some core religious values and a solid work ethic.

The moment you lose that... as you are doing... you are done for.

If America's founding fathers had all been atheists, I can guarantee you, America would be like Bangladesh today. LOL

Were you assigned them by Zubeida Musatafa, or did you send them in on your own?

On my own.

I had no direct dealings with that man-eater.

How many Americans wear American-flag underwear?
Too scratchey,we wear Pakistani flag underwear,nice and soft.(you asked for that one)

trees

I know you probably didn't take part in the mangrove planting, but did they at least plant them back along Mai Kolachi where they had cut down so many of them?

I hope they planted them in places where the mangroves originally were, and could naturally stay/provide sea protection...

Since you guys want to talk about the nature of free speech, what about that old argument on not yelling fire in a crowded theatre?

That probably applies to a degree.

man-eater

I see our views converge here.

I know you probably didn't take part in the mangrove planting, but did they at least plant them back along Mai Kolachi where they had cut down so many of them?

No, I was not involved in that.

I was involved in rescuing a park from them making the new American embassy on it ....if you remember it made the American consulate guy in Karachi tear his hair out on frustration.

By The Way, your old friend Kara Swart is back on the Dawn Blog. Ctrl+F will find hi for you.

All the crypto-hindutva types come out of the woodwork to spew on the comment section.

That's because they are paid by their Govt. to do so.

Behind each blog-name are a dozen paid Indians, who take turns, going bla bla bla... India is the best... LOL

They share passwords and usernames.

rescuing a park from the american embassy

You were involved in that?

Do you realise that KGS has been the only organisation in all of Pakistan that has successfully defeated an American objective?

That was the thought going through my head when I heard the Americans back down. Nobody else in the whole country bought the full bear of the government down on those morons heads.

Please tell me that the new American Embassy is somewhere next to Manghopir's (Old Saint) Mazar (tomb).

Pakistani flag underwear,nice and soft.

You and I both know there is no such underwear.

they are paid by their Govt

Since you've shared a piece of info, let me send one your way; the Indian diaspora in America has agents of influece dealt with by RAW. The Israeli versions were the ones who gave Old Yahoodi grief, turned his hair white, and made him a fearless critic of Israel. As for the Indians, they have people who specifically peddle their views in North America.

Is it me, or does Piyush look too stupid to be a RAW agent?

Or even an agent of influence.

Please tell me that the new American Embassy is somewhere next to Manghopir's (Old Saint) Mazar (tomb).

I wish!

No, they are on Mai Kolachi.

They bought the land owned by Pakistan Cotton Research Institute.

@BruceAZ

I thought you should also know, during the whole Khalistan kerfuffle, India intelligence actually penetrated CSIS.

The Indians were bragging about it.

Mai Kolachi

Fuck Them To Hell And Back.

There goes Boat Basin.

Fuck Them. All.

Just Fuck Them With A Steel Dildo With A Poison Dart on The Tip.

Since you've shared a piece of info, let me send one your way; the Indian diaspora in America has agents of influece dealt with by RAW. The Israeli versions were the ones who gave Old Yahoodi grief, turned his hair white, and made him a fearless critic of Israel. As for the Indians, they have people who specifically peddle their views in North America.

That is one hundred percent true.

BTW, Old-Yahoodi is himself an agent of influence. It's an old trick.. appear anti-Israel while pissing on others like Pakistan, so you are more believable.

How else did get access to all those places in Russia he claims to have been to?

does Piyush look too stupid to be a RAW agent?

You don't have to be a RAW agent to be of use to RAW.

And, yes, I agree.... he isn't very smart. Looks like a Punjabi hillbilly.

Dawn Blogexcellant article,I hope your distractors read it.

You and I both know there is no such underwear.

sorry.But patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.Sameul Johnson,one of the founding fathers you were talking about.

Old-Yahoodi is worse than an agent of influence. He's something completely different. Him AND the-other-gora-who-gets-
published-in-dawn. I'll tell you somewhere more secure l8r.

Dawn Blog

Thank You BrauceAZ.

There goes Boat Basin.

It's on the other end of Mai-Kolachi, near the container terminal... Boat Basin is safe.

See here, the exact spot.

That triangle between Mai Kolachi and MT-Khan rd.

get access to all those places in Russia

I actually read his books - he "hints" at dangling his own connections in front of the Russians. Their desire to impress him let him into those restricted parts of Russia.

sorry.But patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

Not where I come from. I don't care what some dead American might once have said.

In my experience, religion is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

other end of Mai-Kolachi

Well then Thank You God.

Poor NORE-I, though.

Sucks to be them. Americans will have a field day electronic sniffing on those families and trying to get something juicy.

he "hints" at dangling his own connections in front of the Russians.

That's the point... he has too many "connections".

Then again, he just might be exaggerating. I do know he lies when it suits him.

In my experience, religion is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

Well said

he has too many "connections"

That part is obvious, bro. The thing is, he has an informal mission that he is constantly trying to carry out. That is only a guess on my part, but its something that I can only spell out one-to-one, not on a message board.

Anyway, you want to get back on to topic?

You can see the area where the new embassy is on the video I helped make.

Returning back...

religion is the last refuge of a scoundrel

In our society yes; but once you have a largely secular society like North America, then for them, their country becomes a civic religion. And using patriotis becomes a trump card in providing refuge to ill-intentioned men.

Think Joseph McCarthy. Always with the Nationalism.

Notice that fly-over we are passing under?

The Americans wanted us to knock it down but we said screw you. LOL

Now everyone can see what is happening inside the compound if they go on that fly-over.

American zipper is open. LOL

In our society yes; but once you have a largely secular society like North America, then for them, their country becomes a civic religion.

Maybe... but I do know enough of America to say that it's biggest scoundrels pretend to be "Super Christians".

Bush and the people who voted for him, for example. LOL

video

Was thinking of that while typing. But yeah - the elint into the housing scheme worries me a little bit. Pakistan has already bought Israeli software for its own domestic version of Echelon 2.0.

You know the Israelis have a back door into thar shit.

And Nadra! M y G o d ! You know those mo-fo's have got some sugnal into it somewhere.

Too bad for them its just too much information for them to process.

Until they get the Spiders running.

The thing is, he has an informal mission that he is constantly trying to carry out. That is only a guess on my part

It is more than a guess. You are correct.

Pakistan has already bought Israeli software for its own domestic version of Echelon 2.0.

I can tell you that is false.

Pakistan's ECHELON is called "SHARK ARRAY". It is running on Pakistani software and Pakistani and Chinese hardware.

No Isreal gets near that thing.

Think Joseph McCarthy

McCarthy is old hat.religious whackos and racists are our problem.Socialism is what's playing on the DR,but that's a problem from one sides socialism to the others.As with the healthcare debate,its fine until you get sick,for example.

Too bad for them its just too much information for them to process.

NADRA is one of the largest databases on Earth. And it shares info with the Americans, just as American databases are open to the Pakistani Govt.

false

I hope so. But if you can irc a book by this American. How do you install irc and get books?

shares info with the Americans

:'-(

American databases are open to the Pakistani Govt

Ye-ah, but I'm more conservative that way.

Ye-ah, but I'm more conservative that way.

I am told it isn't much of a problem looking for fingerprints on American law enforcement databases from here in Pakistan.

However, when it comes to classified American military databases... the Chinese have them penetrated and everyone can see those too. LOL

America has no secrets. They can't keep one.

To get IRC, look for Mirc.

Try Pirate-Bay.

shares info with the Americans

Yeah we can thank Mushi for that.

Sometimes the man behaved like a total idiot.

Sometimes the man behaved like a total idiot.

Even "Mushi"says that he was threatened with being bombed back to the stone age.Americans can't win hearts and minds,but that can be done.Like it or not.

BRUCE

I think "glass parking lot" was the expression Donald Rumsfeld used in his threat.

Even "Mushi"says that he was threatened with being bombed back to the stone age

That was only a threat to get him to make us stop directly stopping support for Mullah Umar's boys. Mushie fell in love with the American attention.

After the abuse he faced for the first two years of his rule from the US he found a way to get back and Americans, and again guessing here, he loved the attention. Then he showered Bush with his own "affection" and they became literally best buddies. We in Pakistan suspect him and Bush had serious man-crushes on each other.

Look at both their eyes

observe his father cry as he talks about how proud he is of Jeb

Damn you are good.

I think "glass parking lot" was the expression Donald Rumsfeld used in his threat.

Rumsfeld never threatened Pakistan or Mushi in any way.

It was Armitage who made a threat, Mushi claims. Armitage denies it.

Armitage denies it.

maybe,maybe not,but when push came to shove he took the rap for outing Valerie Plame,a bigger crime as far as I'm concerned.

Hahahaha

Intriguing how toss once again gave the clear answer to the 9 year old aisha lie.

Then took the topic off course lol.

Funny how the dr folks

A. Don't recognize the answer and continur with the 9 year old thing.

B. Don't recognize toss will run you in circles and come back for punishment

Haha

Funny how the dr folks

A. Don't recognize the answer and continur with the 9 year old thing.

B. Don't recognize toss will run you in circles and come back for punishment

I know.

That is why I think all American are damn easy to deal with.

And when they figure out something's up, they degrade into juvenile schoolyard insults... as if those will effect my health.

They can't argue logic with logic. Totally incapable. All they got is emotion.

Intriguing how toss once again gave the clear answer to the 9 year old aisha lie.

You know it's garbage. I know it's garbage. All the Muslims I know, think it's garbage.

It's only Americans.. those too non-Muslims and bitter ones at that... probably trailer-trash... who think they know better and they latch onto largely discredited texts thinking they "got something". LOL

Scholars they are not.

Now watch... some moron is going to come with something he just discovered 5 minutes ago and tell it to me as if it was the news of the century. LOL

Why would anyone want to discuss mohammed?

Just another smith

Just another smith

See Klifferd? Told you... LOL

And you Moneywar... by Smith you mean the guy who talked into his hat... Mormon guy?

Believe it or not we got his duplicate in India/Pakistan.

His name was Mirza and he claimed to be a "Prophet", who got messages by God from the arch-angel "Tichi-Tichi" (WTF??). He was encouraged by the Brits to break the will of the Muslims by ridiculing the concept of Jihad, creating a new pussified religion.

The Brits copied Smith's life and taught this guy to apply it.

He did such a lousy job of it (creating a new religion) everyone laughed at him, specially when he had a heart attack and died on the toilet.

And just like Mormons are not Christians (however much they would like to think so), Mirzais.. or Ahmedis... are not considered Muslim by any Muslim country.

Alijah Mohamed of the Nation of Islam was a fraud and some kind of a Mirzai.

When Malcolm-X exposed him for the fraud he was, he paid for it with his life.

So American history has been touched by such things before.

All Americans practice Mormonism in a little way when they try to Americanize Jesus and call him "Jesus Henry Ford Christ" and picture him like he came out of Woodstock... like he was a blonde Swedish hippy rockstar.

What the hell is that all about?

Tosser,

IF he married a 9 year old he would be.

IF we had no doubt he had, it would not have been ILLEGAL in Pakistan (for example) to marry a pre-teen.

The Constitution of the country sez we "all laws have to be Islamic".

Point is, the Govt of Pakistan does not believe he married a 9 year old (no matter what it sez in some old book) and so it is illegal in Pak to do so.

Love the made in the USA touch.

Must be photo-shopped as a joke...

nope not insulted ...

Just because it's a girl.

I bet you would be insulted if a fat beer-belly trucker wears the American flag as his underwear.

I bet you would be insulted if a fat beer-belly trucker wears the American flag as his underwear.

#165 | Posted by Tosser at 2009-09-20 09:56 AM | Reply | Flag

Naw not really but I would have had to bleach my eyeballs and not cause of the flag.

Point is, the Govt of Pakistan does not believe he married a 9 year old (no matter what it sez in some old book) and so it is illegal in Pak to do so.

#163 | Posted by Tosser at 2009-09-20 09:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

Like I said I'll trust you on this having not done my own research. Honestly I had heard the story before but the retort here is the first place I heard that she was 9 so even if I didn't trust you I would probably still belive you on this.

Personaly I have nothing against Islam as long as it stays out of my hair. My best friend in HS converted to Islam about 10-15 years ago and he is still the same guy that I became friends with. He converted after a degree in religion and probably 5 years of self study in virtualy every religion in the world. That probably makes me far more open than most Americans as I know him and know he did not make the decision lightly.

All Americans practice Mormonism in a little way when they try to Americanize Jesus and call him "Jesus Henry Ford Christ"

In my experience it's just "Jesus Fucking Christ".

and picture him like he came out of Woodstock...

Because he was there... duh... plenty of people that went to Woodstock saw Jesus.

In my experience it's just "Jesus Fucking Christ".

Why not "Ronald Fucking Reagan" or "Billary Fucking Clinton"?

Why not just leave Jesus out of it?

plenty of people that went to Woodstock saw Jesus.

And I keep seeing Elvis at the checkout counter of Makro (a hypermarket chain in Karachi).

It looks like him.

Next time I see him, I will take a pic and you can see for yourself.

It looks like him.

Fat Elvis with sideburns... not early thin-Elvis.

My best friend in HS converted to Islam about 10-15 years ago and he is still the same guy that I became friends with.

He would be the same guy, of course.

Islam is very flexible and can be practiced in many ways and colors.

That means, even if your friend is a Muslim, he is still American and perhaps more proud of his country than before.

It also means that if I seem strange to you, it is NOT because I am Muslim... it's because I am from Pakistan and will always be different anyway.

"The comment is not conducive to discussion, any more than it would be to accuse Jews of blood libel or respond to every discussion of Catholics by talking about the crimes of the Inquisition."

That happens every time Israel or Catholicism is brought up.

"Intriguing how toss once again gave the clear answer to the 9 year old aisha lie."

He did no such thing. See the "scholars" who did this research are just shills. There is no validity to what they did. If they were real "scholars" looking for truth, they would have used the same scrutiny on all aspects of Mohammed's life. Instead, what they did was decide that they wanted to "prove" one particular part of the story was wrong and mother-of-all-coincidences: their "research" just happen to do just that. So according to these scholars, we are supposed to believe every other fantastic, physically impossible in many cases, aspect of Mohammed's story. But the part about him marrying a kid was bullshit. If you understand anything about inellectual honesty, you can see just how valid this "research" was.

What do you suppose a real scholar would say about the likeliness that someone who claimed he was the only person who could talk to the invisible man in the sky was sane?

He did no such thing.

Ah man-child... how was your "vacation"? LOL

So according to these scholars, we are supposed to believe every other fantastic, physically impossible in many cases

Which would be what? Let's have an example, shall we?

Be specific. What "fantastic" thing is it that people would like you to believe?

If you understand anything about inellectual honesty, you can see just how valid this "research" was.

If you understand anything about simple maths and dates, and how a Hadees is considered valid or of poor quality, you would see how valid this research was.

"Be specific. What "fantastic" thing is it that people would like you to believe?"

I already gave the biggest example of all. It is the question at the end of my last post that you won't answer.

No go crawl back under Rcade's skirt.

So according to you, all traditional Jewish scholars dealing in historical research and Christian scholars dealing historical research are lairs too?

Mind you, this WAS NOT religious research. It was simple HISTORICAL research and it was based on simple common sense.

To repeat... only one person ever said she was 9 years old. That person was later proved insane.

There was no other source to back this up.

Everything in the Bukhari text comes from this guy, repeated by others. But he was the primary and only source.

It is the question at the end of my last post that you won't answer.

That is religious belief.

We are talking of proving or disproving a historical fact, not a religious one.

"So according to you, all traditional Jewish scholars dealing in historical research and Christian scholars dealing historical research are lairs too?"

Intellectual honesty is a foreign concept to you but you seem to be catching on.....

If they set out to prove oen particularly unappealing part of their religion's history is not true but don't apply the same scrutiny to the whole story, then they are acting as apologists rather than scholars.

No go crawl back under Rcade's skirt.

Ooooo... boys and girls... he is still sore methinks! LOL

Friends? Shake?

"That is religious belief.

We are talking of proving or disproving a historical fact, not a religious one."

If you believe that Mohammed was a prophet then you believe it is a historical fact that he communicated with God. Don't hide behind semantics. Either he spoke to God or he's a lunatic or he's a con man.

Now if an objective scholar were to look at the story, which option would be the least likely?

That's a direct question. But you won't answer it directly.

If they set out to prove oen particularly unappealing part of their religion's history is not true but don't apply the same scrutiny to the whole story, then they are acting as apologists rather than scholars.

It seems you are on drugs perhaps that the fine point escapes you.

Historical research is not the same as religious research.

Capeesh?

you believe it is a historical fact that he communicated with God.

Gawd yer stoopid...

That isn't the way scholars operate, I'm afraid.

What you mentioned are my beliefs. For a scholar in this case, the religion of Mohamed is not the issue.

The rules of evidence are. As are the dates of specific events that do not match if Aisha was 9 years old.

he's a lunatic or he's a con man.

That was the infidel anthem in those days too. LOL

Some things never change.

But you won't answer it directly.

I think everyone understands you are looking to get some of your dignity back so you could be taken more seriously here. LOL

I know you have been spoiling for another fight with me all through your "vacation".

"Historical research is not the same as religious research."

Do you believe that Mohammed communicated with God? If so, then you believe it is a historical fact.

You can't discuss this honestly while pretending that this isn't so.

"That isn't the way scholars operate, I'm afraid."

How would you know?

"For a scholar in this case, the religion of Mohamed is not the issue."

Because you say? You've chosen to believe the story whether or not it makes sense. That doesn't give you the final word. In fact, it makes you unqualified to discuss this rationally.

And stupido... there are many such events in Mohamed's life which have later been discredited by scholars. His marriage to a supposed minor is not the ONLY thing.

For example many Muslims believe Mohamed had taken injury in battle and lost two of his teeth because of which he said "Cheen" instead of "Sheen".

When he said, his famous Hadees about China (Cheen)... People of Syria claimed he meant to say Sheen... (for Shaam... Syria)... that you must visit Syria. LOL

People made up all sorts of rubbish after he died, for reasons of their own. Much of it has been discredited throughout the centuries.

How would you know?

I am not an ignorant bumbkin like you are?

"As are the dates of specific events that do not match if Aisha was 9 years old."

That doesn't prove her age, by the way. It could just mean that certain reports of her having been in a certain place in a certain time are wrong. Nobody alive today can say with any certainty if any of these events were reported accurately. Either you accept the story or you don't Picking and certain parts and taken others on blind faith is dishonest.

"People made up all sorts of rubbish after he died, for reasons of their own."

But Mohammed's claims can't be seen as self serving rubbish? They would certainly seem impossible to any rational person......

Why can't you apply the same standards to the entire story that you do to the parts you don't like? LOL.

"I am not an ignorant bumbkin like you are?"

You're the one displaying a huge amount of gullibility here.

Do you believe that Mohammed communicated with God? If so, then you believe it is a historical fact.

I believe it to be a religious fact only.

There is no historical evidence to say he communicated with Gabriel or with God. How could there be? Except for the fact that things used to go his way ... a lot. LOL

However there IS historical evidence for things such as how old a person must have been at a certain period.

Nobody alive today can say with any certainty if any of these events were reported accurately.

There are thousands of different witnesses to those events and thousands of independent sources compared to one guy who later went insane.

The weight of evidence is commonly used in a court of law in a similar way.

This how they do it. They look at the number of sources and how credible they are historically speaking.

But Mohammed's claims can't be seen as self serving rubbish?

But we are not discussing Mohamed's claims, now are we? They have nothing to do with the age of his wife.

That comes under historical events, not religious.

"I believe it to be a religious fact only."

All facts are historical facts. You can say Mohammed's conversations with God or Angels or Jedi Knights or Unicorns are religious BELIEF only. But once you start using the word "fact", we are talking about history. The way you are using the phrase "religious fact" doesn't make any sense.

"However there IS historical evidence for things such as how old a person must have been at a certain period."

If all reports are consistent, that is true. But when the dates don't match up you can't be sure which reports are inaccurate. You've decided which version of events to believe based on what you want to believe. Nothing was proven.

"But we are not discussing Mohamed's claims, now are we?"

You are desperately trying to avoid it. I'll give you that.

You're the one displaying a huge amount of gullibility here.

And you are going back to being a pouting man-child here. LOL

You just can't get over how I got you.. and I got you good.

I did see you crying about it in the other thread "why do righties post here on DR". LOL

But when the dates don't match up you can't be sure which reports are inaccurate.

The words are "beyond reasonable doubt".

If we can be 90% sure, we are good to go. LOL.

All legal systems operate this way.

The date of the first war against the Muslims is well known, for example, and it finds it's way into the argument that I posted weeks ago. Those well known dates are kicked off line if we assume she was underage.

Nothing was proven.

It was proven to my satisfaction. It was proven to Klifferd's satisfaction. It is proven to the satisfaction of most Hanfi-muslims.

If you don't think so, so what? You are only a non-muslim and non-christian atheist infidel and are expected to show an "attitude". LOL

Now then... had enough of trying to bait me so I can get a dump?

"The words are "beyond reasonable doubt".

If we can be 90% sure, we are good to go. LOL."

There are millions of Muslims who disagree with you to the point where they can legally marry children based on the belief that Mohammed did. So I would say you have your reasonable doubt right there. And 10% IS a "reasonable doubt" in any civilized court of law.

Do you still think there are different kinds of "facts" or can you at least concede that there is only one reality? Still trying to determine how much the fool you are willing to be to avoid acknowledging a truth you don't find appealing.

You are desperately trying to avoid it. I'll give you that.

1. It is not the issue.

2. "When confronted by an infidel who wants to argue about some point of religion, just say, you are welcome to your beliefs and me to mine, and say good day and walk on"... Koran.

Good day, infidel.

There are millions of Muslims who disagree with you

And tens and thousands of millions who agree with me.

to the point where they can legally marry children based on the belief that Mohammed did

So? The world is full of misled people.

According to the Govt. of Pakistan, it is illegal. So obviously we don't share that belief.

Where is it allowed? Some Arab country? Iran?

Still trying to determine how much the fool

Have a good day, infidel.

"Now then... had enough of trying to bait me so I can get a dump?"

I know you stick to a lie once you start telling it but this one just make you seem paranoid. You can't get a dump on an unmoderated thread. LOL.

Look out behind you! Boo! ROF.

Oh... and Eid Mubarak to Klifferd and YS.

You can't get a dump on an unmoderated thread.

Would you like to test that theory?

Good day. Go away. LOL (I rhymed!)

"When confronted by an infidel who wants to argue about some point of religion, just say, you are welcome to your beliefs and me to mine, and say good day and walk on"... Koran.

That's not what you did. You waited until you were backed into a corner before you fell back on your programming.

You have a good day too. I'm going to watch football.

Look out behind you!

I told you I play the game far better than you.

You went "huh? bla bla bla" and then were sent off to your "vacation".

Let me tell you a secret... don't tell anyone now...

I still play the game better than you. LOL

That's not what you did.

That is exactly what I did.

And I am going to do it again.

Good day. Go away.

hahahahahahaha.... just doesn't get it does he....?

I'm going to watch football.

Try playing in traffic instead. More exciting.

Good day!

That happens every time Israel or Catholicism is brought up.

I can't recall ever seeing a flagged comment involving blood libel or the Inquisition.

"I can't recall ever seeing a flagged comment involving blood libel or the Inquisition."

Well in that case I'm going to start flagging posts that disrespect the memory of Torquemada.

Mohammad ~ like Jesus ~ definitely achieved 'Cosmic Consiciousness'

"I can't recall ever seeing a flagged comment involving blood libel or the Inquisition."

That doesn't mean the comments aren't there. It means that if anyone is offended by such comments, they are handling things on their own rather than crying to you about it. You must realize that only a pathetic minority flags comments on this site.

Tosser, Klifferd

First Bhaiyon - Khair Mubarak

Defending Islam on Eid, Tosser? Very noble my friend. But shouldn't you be out meeting extended family on this auspicious day?

What's to discuss?

Pedophile warlord inspired by Satan, end of discussion.

Defending Islam on Eid, Tosser?

It wasn't Eid last night....

And I got sucked into it.. as is usual.

But shouldn't you be out meeting extended family on this auspicious day?

Screw them. I am trying very hard to keep a low profile.

Yes it is not possible in Eid, but one must try.

You must realize that only a pathetic minority flags comments on this site.

Then why did you flag my posts 3 months ago? eh?

Face it... you just aren't good at anything you do.

You get argumentative and then you take a "vacation"... you flag.. and you fail at that too. You are far far too emotional and a cry-baby.

Perhaps the fault lies in your stars?

But shouldn't you be out meeting extended family on this auspicious day?

I emailed the bastards all my Eid greetings.

Now ball is in their court. LOL

And Man-Child.... it would be better for you to drop this obsession you have with me.

You keep on following me around like this, posting in the same threads right after I do, you will get run over.... again.

Why do you need the grief?

Good day! Go away!

Oh... and Eid Mubarak everyone!

Mohammad ~ like Jesus ~ definitely achieved 'Cosmic Consiciousness'

If that is the only definition you are using, then I would include two more names in that list...

Mohammed and Jeebus were crooks that deceived people for money and pussy. Neither one should be worshiped.

Mohammed and Jeebus were crooks

Sez Jackass... the same Jackass who went to jail for stealing money from his kid and ex-wife/GF. LOL

Were you married to her at some point or did you father a bastard?

Neither one should be worshiped.

God is worshiped. Mohamed is never worshiped.

Oh, and Mohamed and Jesus never got rich because of Islam.

When Mohamed died, his wife had to borrow oil for the lamp from a neighbor.

When Mohamed died, his wife had to borrow oil for the lamp from a neighbor.

Isn't that sweet. You believe your myths, just as those you hate believe theirs.

You believe your myths

It was well documented. He didn't have any money... he kept giving it all away.

just as those you hate believe theirs

The only thing you can believe is, you were born a turd. hahahahahahahahahahaha

Good Day, infidel!

It was well documented.

ROTFLMAO!

ROTFLMAO!

MEOW MEOW!

The documentation of witnesses from those times is well preserved.

That is why the statement "Aisha was 9 years old" is suspect because it did not come from that time. It only appeared 300 years after they all died.

See... high-school drop-outs are "discussing" history with me, a university graduate. LOL

The miracle of the internet! Still, it can't turn a high-school dropout into a scholar.

The Truth About Muhammad: Koran is a Fraud!

Funny how the lowlifes keep on trucking....

How about the truth about Jackass? Goatee figured you out before I did. So did Twinpac. So did everyone else.

Hell, you went to jail because you stole from your kid. LOL

Lets have the truth now. Are you still holding out on your kid?

a university graduate.

I know plenty of people who are university graduates but are still fucking retarded.

Eid Mubarak to all infidels as well.

I know plenty of people who are university graduates but are still fucking retarded.

Then they must be American. LOL

See... high-school drop-outs are "discussing" history with me, a university graduate. LOL

Did you get your degree in Pakistan?

LOL.

Fuck Mohamed.

Adios blog.

Then they must be American

Nope, it's pretty varied.

(JPW- Isn't it odd that "The Life of the Prophet/Savior Mohamed/Jesus" isn't a major in any accredited US university, and in no way counts as a degree in "history" in any but the most backward shitpools on the planet?)

Rhetorical question; forgive me.

Gotta go.

Did you get your degree in Pakistan?

And thank God for THAT.

My school... IBA.

Gotta go.

Run Forest RUN!!!

hahahahahahahahaha

Chootiya....

Nope, it's pretty varied.

I don't think so.

Isn't it odd that "The Life of the Prophet/Savior Mohamed/Jesus" isn't a major in any accredited US university

Are you trying to say in your clumsy way that I have a degree in Islamic history?

I got meself an MBA, son. LOL

Man... these high-school drop-outs can be real bitter....

I don't think so.

I do.

Unless of course you know me and everyone I'm thinking of.

I got meself an MBA, son.

MBA

LOL

I do.

I don't.

you know me and everyone I'm thinking of.

Feel free to introduce yourself then.

MBA... LOL

Don't snicker now... Dubya had an MBA too and he went on to become President. LOL

I don't.

Good for you.

Feel free to introduce yourself then.

No thanks. Happy with my anonymity.

Don't snicker now... Dubya had an MBA too and he went on to become President. LOL

LOL Man I wish I could be like Dubya.

But then I guess a high-school drop-out WOULD go LOL over an MBA.... It's not like they can ever have one.

However, the point isn't that I have a University degree. The point is, that I am discussing history with high-school drop-outs... something they are not even qualified to think about.

Funny.

No thanks. Happy with my anonymity.

First smart thing I heard today....

Man I wish I could be like Dubya.

Don't we all?

But then I guess a high-school drop-out WOULD go LOL over an MBA.... It's not like they can ever have one.

No, I LOL over an MBA because it's largely a joke. "Four more years of drinking" as my business friends used to say.

But I'm sure your MBA is much better, being from Pakistan and all.

The point is, that I am discussing history with high-school drop-outs... something they are not even qualified to think about.

Unless you have a degree in history you're not much more qualified than them.

But I'm sure your MBA is much better, being from Pakistan and all.

Helped me become a rich guy, so it must be good, no?

Unless you have a degree in history you're not much more qualified than them.

Wrong actually.

We are trained in analysis of historical statistical data so we can predict the next stock market crash, for example.

It's just basic statistical analysis.

But "numbers" are something a high-school drop-out won't understand.

However, the people who did the analysis were historians.

I only copy-pasted here.

Helped me become a rich guy, so it must be good, no?

Or it could be YOU that is good at what you do.

Degrees don't make men rich. Men make themselves rich.

Which I guess is my ultimate point that I neglected to actually mention in my zeal for bashing MBAs (which seem to be a dime a dozen). Pointing to the letters after one's name doesn't make one smart, the information one uses to back their arguments does.

We are trained in analysis of historical statistical data so we can predict the next stock market crash, for example.

It's just basic statistical analysis.

But "numbers" are something a high-school drop-out won't understand.

Agreed. But the thread topic doesn't deal with numbers. Just historical information.

However, the people who did the analysis were historians.

I didn't read the entire thread.

Just thought I'd jump in and talk shit for fun.

Pointing to the letters after one's name doesn't make one smart

It does mean that if I wasn't smart enough I would not have been able to get in the front door of one of the best universities in the world.

They have very rigorous admission tests.

being from Pakistan and all

If its from IBA, its worthwhile. Got into both that and LUMS.
Was ORDERED to leave for Canada. Sigh - Elders.

IBA's profs are complete hardasses. They actually take attendance for classes and promise to dock marks if you don't attend. And by attendance, I don't mean paper at the front that you can saunter into class to and just sign in. I mean with a register an d a teacher waiting for a "present". If I wanted that treatment I'ld go join the PMA.

The real reason though that I didn't want to go to IBA was that LUMS has harder studies but a relatively more relaxed atmosphere.

It does mean that if I wasn't smart enough I would not have been able to get in the front door of one of the best universities in the world.

Best in the world overall? Really? Or just in MBA?

And letters after your name still don't mean shit if you spout complete nonsense.

But the thread topic doesn't deal with numbers. Just historical information.

The accuracy of the historical information depends on some math.

It deals with numbers.

I didn't read the entire thread.

Just thought I'd jump in and talk shit for fun.

Yeah... which is why you didn't make a dent.

Jumping in without reading from the start is never Kosher. It'll get you nailed.

Best in the world overall? Really?

Did you not read what I posted? Blind, are we now? LOL

It was/is affiliated with the Wharton School.

That was where Donald Trump got his education from.

if you spout complete nonsense.

I can point out plenty of your nonsense.

Now you point out what nonsense I have posted.

Be specific.

Yeah... which is why you didn't make a dent.

Didn't really expect to.

Jumping in without reading from the start is never Kosher. It'll get you nailed.

More than likely.

But you'll still just have an MBA.

The reason I didn't read it is because I figured it'd be another "Mohammed is a kiddy raping goat fucker bla blah blah" type of thread.

But you'll still just have an MBA.

And you will just be left holding your dick in your hand.

Did you not read what I posted? Blind, are we now? LOL

I read the Wikipedia page.

It didn't mean much to me since I'm not familiar with the business world, hence why I asked the question (as denoted by the "?" after my statement).

You also left out the end of my quote.

I was asking whether the school was respected as a business school or a university in general.

I can point out plenty of your nonsense.

Now you point out what nonsense I have posted.

Be specific.

It wasn't an accusation, just part of my statements on the uselessness of an argument from authority.

And you will just be left holding your dick in your hand.

LOL man you're testy about your MBA aren't you?

LOL man you're testy about your MBA aren't you?

No, not really. I am just having fun here since yesterday, swatting at flies.

No, not really. I am just having fun here since yesterday, swatting at flies.

Then why do you seem so defensive over my assertion that having a degree doesn't make one worth listening to?

You denigrate others as being "high school dropouts" (maybe the individual you were addressing really is...) while trumpeting your MBA as if that puts you in a better position in this debate.

I was asking whether the school was respected as a business school or a university in general.

It was known as a business school but now is much more than that.

Govt. Of Pak issued stamps in it's honor. It's really "old school".

Then why do you seem so defensive over my assertion that having a degree doesn't make one worth listening to?

It wasn't "defensive".

It was "disgust". I have never heard such drivel.

You denigrate others as being "high school dropouts"

Then step up your game, fellow.

It was "disgust". I have never heard such drivel.

I'm sure you haven't.

You've never heard an "educated" person make ridiculous statements? Never?

You've never heard an "educated" person make ridiculous statements?

Of course I have.

But when compared to a rickshaw-driver (or school drop-out)... LOL... there is no comparison.

One may get oneself some folksy "wisdom".. but that doesn't quite cut it.

As in all things in life it is not a question of absolutes.

Jesus saves....Mohammed drives a taxi...

MBA, P.O.S.

MBA, P.O.S.

American School drop-out, bigger Piece of Shit.

MBA = degree purchased online for $100 bucks....now fully qualified to flip goatburgers...want fries with that?

I graduated from Fresno State which Is considered better than Harvard by most people.

"MBA, P.O.S.

As TOSSER says, "Life is not a question of obsolutes."

I have an MBA and use my education to my advantage . . . the results of which haven't been too shabby.

Obviously, an MBA isn't the ultimate in education but again, it depends on the person and how they apply themselves, both during and after graduation. Which means, exactly, are they hard workers or do they just sit on their duff and wait for opportunity to come a-knockin'.

Great American's use of P.O.S. is a red flag. If he has any degrees at all, maybe he's one of those who thought the head hunters would be ringing his phone off the hook.

It's more likely that he has no education beyond trade school or on-the-job training and is jealous of anybody who had the grit and foresight to realize that continuing education looks better on a resume' than blank spots on a job application where it asks . . . "How far did you go in school?"

Great American's use of P.O.S. is a red flag. ....
It's more likely that he has no education beyond trade school or on-the-job training and is jealous of anybody who had the grit and foresight to realize that continuing education looks better on a resume' than blank spots on a job application where it asks . . . "How far did you go in school?"

Exactly.

He doesn't get that people can spot a loser like him from ten miles away. That's what job interviews are for... in 2 minutes they can tell where you are coming from just by the way you walk, stand and talk.

Twinpac says her career is wonderful yet offers no evidence as proof. I might as well claim to be the CEO of my company.

I might as well claim to be the CEO of my company.

Too late. You already claimed you went to jail for stealing from your kid and that you are going into debt for $1400 to pay a company to hire you!

Still want to pretend to be a CEO? LOL

How to disgust the prophet Mohammed?

Spud imagines getting a chick in a Bikini to offer him a beer and a ham sammich would do the trick!

Be Well.

CEO of jackass Inc

CEO of jackass Inc

That sounds about right....

JACKASS

I'll be at the Greenbrier next week and a featured speaker on the dias.

If you'd like to pop on over, I'll leave a ticket for you at the "will call" counter.

Which would you prefer? Greyhound or Continental?

Or maybe Trailways . . . I hear they have pillows.

I'm not riding a bus to wv that would take 2 days. We can meet in laredo.

JACKASS

It's your call. But . . .

I have a speaking engagement at the Greenbrier.

Don't say I didn't offer.

"I graduated from Fresno State which Is considered better than Harvard by most people."

Sounds like Eddie's conducted another one of his polls.

JACKASS

It's your call. But . . .

I have a speaking engagement at the Greenbrier.

Don't say I didn't offer.

#283 | Posted by Twinpac
If you offer me a plane ticket we can talk.

I'm going to Norcal Oct 15th to the 22nd to see Family. We can meet there if that's convenient. My sister is living in Hayward now.

Sorry, JACKASS

But my schedule is full.

I'm at the Greenbrier Thursday, Friday and Saturday next week.

Then I'm in Pittburgh attending a continuing education seminar at Duquesne University.

Then I'm in Bryn Mawr, PA. at American College for an alumni meeting and a lecture by one of the Endowed Chairs.

Greenbrier is a "take it or leave it" offer.

Twinpac... if this buffoon does turn up (next to impossible, but IF) could you take his picture or a video with a mobile-phone or something without him knowing?

I want to know what he looks like, how he stands and how he talks. I have never seen a guy who steals from his kid before and I wanna see one.

and I wanna see one.

Like a day at the zoo.

I'll be at the Greenbrier next week and a featured speaker on the dias.

TOSSER

He won't turn up.

The Greenbrier is $400 bucks a night for an inside room and $700 if you want to face the golf course. I don't know what it costs without the group rate.

A tax deduction for me but way too rich for his pocketbook.

He won't turn up.

I know. I just thought what-if...

The Greenbrier is $400 bucks a night

Then again, he can steal $400 from his kid. Eazy-peezy.

Or he can loiter in the street.

You can then have him arrested for stalking. LOL

Sorry, SPUD

No speaking for me in Bryn Mawr.

I have to be hogtied and drug like a cur to the one in White Sulphur Springs.

LOL

What I can't figure out is, why haven't the good folk of Texas shot you full of holes, Jackass?

My cousins-in-laws are very old Texan... if they see some chicken-shit even looking in their direction, they will shoot first, apologize later.

No speaking for me in Bryn Mawr.

And No Cameron Diaz?

* small tear *

I have to be hogtied and drug like a cur to the one in White Sulphur Springs.

LOL. So not yer first venue choice then, fair to say?

Ah, Spud is come fer the exquisite snark and Spud is not leave disapointed.

^_^

Be Well.

/K, 'nuff lolligaggin' fer the spuddish one, exiting the DR, Rcade's virtual Dragon's Den, as ya do
stage left.

Since 400 bucks is so cheap for you pay for my room. Seeing how you think I make 10.91 an hour.

you pay for my room.

Why should she pay for your room when your kid can do it without even knowing he's doing it?

So not yer first venue choice then, fair to say?"

The venue is fine. I love the Greenbrier.

It's the room full of stufffed shirts that come to pick my bones that annoy me.

I'm more of a fun-lovin' typa gal that would rather explore the local watering holes where nobody recognizes me. (when I'm off duty, so to speak)

There are no events listed on the Calendar for Greenbrier anyways.

Why should she pay for your room when your kid can do it without even knowing he's doing it?

#298 | Posted by Tosser

You act like I wasn't paying him anything. I was forking over 550.00 a month. I was shorting him 125.00 a month. That isn't that bad.

I'm paying back child support now to make up for it.

This is a no brainer: Terrorist, just like the prophets of judaism and christians.

Claim the religion, claim the crimes.

Claim the religion, claim the crimes.

Speak for yourself baby-killer.

This is a no brainer: Terrorist, just like the prophets of judaism and christians.

Man... one more drunk on Eid day.....

Can you believe it? I have been dodging guests all day on Eid, coming on DR instead. hahahahahahahahaha

It's the same as an American spending all Xmas on DR.

4 day holiday.... I can fuck you all non-stop.

Oh and how come this damn Obama hasn't sent "Eid greeting to all the world's Muslims"?

He managed a Ramzaan greeting... of sorts. LOL

Good thing he didn't. The man makes my skin crawl.

The irony of this is that I believe in moral absolutes. Where you and I part company is the usefulness of lecturing dead generations about it.

#6 | Posted by Zed

I would go along with this Zed--that times have changed and what may be considered ok 1300 years ago would evolve and become modern and reformed.

But that is not what is happening now is it?

The tribes still exercise the old, the barbaric and inappropiate, immorality of how to treat females.

Martin Scorsese made a movie that examined the relationship between Jesus and a known prostitute and the Christians went totally nuts.

My point is that there will always be a vocal minority that goes apeshit, but I am not sure all Muslims can be put into that category any easier than all Christians or all Jews would fit into one.

.......Islam sucks........pure and simple.......

...it is a vestigal delusion, conceived in a barbarian age by a lying megalomaniacal warlord, who foisted it on an ignorant populace at the point of a sword........

......on the bright side......

.....Islam is dying out from within....many, if not most, educated Muslims have already rejected it....but it is difficult for them to speak out because the "Sword of Mohamed" still hangs over their heads......but purely Islamic countries like Turkey, Indonesia, Syria have large educated classes that are moving towards "secularism" as a way of letting Islam die..........another two generations and Mosques will be nothing but tourist destinations like the churches of western Europe.........

I agree with the above poster named Skizziks. He is absolutely right. He is the type we need in the White House. Someone who is not afraid to call a spade a spade. With this type of direct attitude we can bend the entire middle eastern world to our control and get those middle eastern peoples to come to the reason we know we have. People like Skizziks and myself are wise enough to know that we are the true superiors and the masters.

"The relationship between Jesus and a known prostitute...."

Jesus interacted with a number of fallen women. Having said that, I have no earthly idea what you're talking about. Speaking as a Bible reader, which I wonder if Mr. Scorcese is.