Are these people so short sighted that they forget about North Korea???

Really a dumb dumb move.

The world is coming to the conclusion that the US word means nothing.

All under Obama..

I'm of two minds on this. The part of me that says that sovereign states should be responsible for their own security believes that if Poland and the Czech Republic want a missile defense, then they should pay for their own, and that we should apply that to our NATO commitments as well.

But the other side realizes that Joe Biden is the biggest dumbass in American life, and the fact that Iran can't hit the US with a missile doesn't mean they couldn't do so for Eastern Europe. Besides, everyone knows that it's not the Iranians keeping the Czechs and the Poles up at night, but the Russians. Every Pole under the age of 25 remembers when Soviet armies were garrisoned on their soil; everyone under 60 remembers the actual invasions. Obama has just decided that the nuclear umbrella is dependent on where you sit on the map, and your proximity to the Russian Federation, whom, they've decided, it's best not to offend.

So the answer is that if they want a missile defense, we should build them one, and billing will be sent out quarterly.

"Really a dumb dumb move."

YEAH!

A Missile Defense Shield Would have Prevented 9-11!

Missile Defense Shields, Just like Hanging Nuclear Weapons Over our Heads to "Keep us Safe" ----- are Asinine Ideas!

Did you know that Rice had scheduled a Speech on 09-11-2001 ------ To Inform the Nation that Bush wanted to revive the "Star Wars" project!

Now maybe if they had their attention on the Real Threat (August PDB titled: Bin Laden to Attack with Planes) instead of these schemes to Plunder the Public Trust for the Benefit of the MIC ---- We Wouldn't have Had Three Thousand People Die that Day and Could have Avoided TWO Trillion in Debt!

Interesting Obama made the announcement on the anniversary of the 1939 Soviet invasion of Poland.

Obama needs to remember what happended to JFK when he got soft on communism. The CIA killed him.

Can anyone provide just one shred, JUST ONE SHRED, of credible evidence that Iran is a threat to anyone?

Are these people so short sighted that they forget about North Korea???
#1 | Posted by MURPHY

What sort of attack path do you suppose a North Korean intercontinental ballistic missile would have to take -- and how far would it need to travel -- in order to hit the US after passing over Poland and/or the Czech Republic?

#5 | Posted by Salaryman at 2009-09-17 01:38 PM | Reply | Flag: Needs to open a Newspaper sometime

Interesting Obama made the announcement on the anniversary of the 1939 Soviet invasion of Poland.
#4 | Posted by Beachbuzz

You must mean the year, right? Because by September 17, 1939 the Wehrmacht had already completed the envelopment of Warsaw.

thank god...what a giant waste of money. Sounds like a great start.

@ #7 I said credible. Or if you have a link? Otherwise vanish from the page of time please.

Can anyone provide just one shred, JUST ONE SHRED, of credible evidence that Iran is a threat to anyone?

#5 | Posted by Salaryman
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It's a red herring. If you were in Warsaw, whom would you be more concerned about? Iran, or Russia? Who do you think is happier today because Obama is scrapping the shield? Iran, or Russia?

Thanks for playing.

Are these people so short sighted that they forget about North Korea???

LOL!

And what would North Korea do after they launched a missle at the US???? It is not like they can take us over.

Pretty stupid murph.

@ #11 huh?

Of course it is red herring that was the whole point of my post!

You and your ilk have been beating the war drum against Iran for close to what 9 years now?

Suddenly you change the tune?

Ridiculous

Who should be the happiest about this decision???

American taxpayers.

This missile shield was intended to antagonize Russia and it would have for no good reason. Iran was never, ever, ever a threat to Poland. Russia is not a threat to Poland. Defending this missile shield is simply an attempt to continue Bush/Cheney, mostly Cheney.

A) Fuck Poland and the czechs. We can't simultaneously be criticized for being the world police and then not being the world police
B) Fuck Obama. Unless there is a quid pro quo here, he's once again showed the russians his belly
C) Seeing how happy this has made the russians should give the missile defense naysayers pause. Clearly the russians were concerned over it, and it's not because they believe it didn't work.

No country believes they're really a threat to anybody. So why are the Russians so happy about it? Why would it "antogonize Russia" in the first place? If Canada built a nuclear umbrella, would the US mind? What if Mexico did?

The only reason the Russians don't want anybody building missile defenses, is that their saber rattling rings more hollow in the presence of them.

But let's not offend the Russians.

Can anyone provide just one shred, JUST ONE SHRED, of credible evidence that Iran is a threat to anyone?

#5 | POSTED BY SALARYMAN AT 2009-09-17 01:38 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

mmm. they're admittedly trying like hell to get nukes. the country's run by religious zealots who want to push isreal to the sea. they border iraq where we are spilling blood and spending treasure. iranian weapons are turning up in Afghanistan. the area produces a bunch of oil upon which the world depends.

shall i continue?

George Patton was right. We should have marched in there and kicked the Ruskies asses in the 40's.

Why does everyone have to have an ilk?

#17 Not to mention all their bellicose cozying up to Venezuela, which is on OUR side of the world.

"We should have marched in there and kicked the Ruskies asses in the 40's."

Well, except for that "allies" thingamjig.

"Canada built a nuclear umbrella, would the US mind?"

If they put it near the Canada/USA border you bet your ass we'd mind. Mexico was offended because we wanted to build a fence.

#22 What would WE say if Mexico wanted to build the fence?

"George Patton was right. We should have marched in there and kicked the Ruskies asses in the 40's."

And accomplished what??? Thousands of casualties on both sides, bankrupt our country, what???

"What would WE say if Mexico wanted to build the fence?"

Gracias.

Simple logic dictates a fence between America and Mexico is unpractical as the boarder is too long. Better to just invade Mexico and build a shorter fence there.

The fence needs to be made of charcoal so their stink doesn't ooze north.

I may be reading this wrong, but no one has put forth a reason for this to happen.

I play chess. Powerful countries have the ability to create chess pieces out of thin air. This is what the missile shield in poland was. it was a generated chess piece in the ongoing game against Russia and Israel. Now America is sacrificing said chess piece. Question-- what do they get in return?

Well, here's my thought:

Russia will help america with Iran
(We're not talking about an attack here, folks)

Israel is mad Obama did this. They sent their agent Sarkozy and provacateurs in America to once again gin up the Iranian threat. Hence Drudge Report's new RED HEADLINE (check it out for yourself).

Obama knows Israel is mad. That's why he did it.

Obama in saying, "Het Israel, wanna do something about Iran? quid pro quo. Let me free, bro'. Let me get somethin' done. If not, you are toast.

So what does Obama want?

You guessed it. Whhere do you think all this birther stuff and health care brou-ha-ha was coordinated from?

So America backs down? LOL

I knew it.

The world is coming to the conclusion that the US word means nothing.

Yep.

China figured it out years ago. Pak also figured it out years ago.

And now the whole world can figure it out for themselves. LOL

Iran this! Iran that!

Enter Obama.... "squeak squeak"....

What was that?

"Squeak squeak squeakity squeak"

Whatever Dude.

Russia will help america with Iran

Not even in theory.

Iran is Russia's "option 2" to get their Caspian energy reserves to world market.

Remember how they gave Iran a nuke-reactor despite American protest?

Tosser, I don't think Obama backed down here.

This missle shield was simply a generated chesspiece that was removed. A fiat rook if you will.

The questions to ask are:

What was the real reason why was the piece generated in the first place?

What was the real reason why was it removed from the table?

Tosser, who in America was protesting Russia's involvement w/ Iran? Where was that noise coming from?

Where was that noise coming from?

From the "axis of evil" guy. Who else?

Why is the Drudge Report suddenly red-splashing Iran again? Hmmm?

Who do you think is really pissed about this move?

Doc,

The 1939 Soviet invasion of Poland was a military operation that started without a formal declaration of war on 17 September 1939, during the early stages of World War II.

The last time I counted the points on the stars on the American flag, there were 5, not 6. And that is how it needs to stay if this country is gonna have a chance getting through the next decade.

What was the real reason why was the piece generated in the first place?

To see what it takes to piss off the Russian leadership.

American policy depends on testing boundaries. They do it all the time with Pakistan too (as well as with China), so I can guess.

What was the real reason why was it removed from the table?

The bluff was called and exposed.

Russia promised a "technological answer" (those were the words) and they delivered by deploying road-mobile ICMBs... Topol-M.

I see a six pointed star right above the eagle's head.

Who do you think is really pissed about this move?

The Europeans.

Put them in their place. LOL

"Tosser, I don't think Obama backed down here.

This missle shield was simply a generated chesspiece that was removed. A fiat rook if you will.'

Here is Clinton in February and again in March. Now unless according to Clinton Iran has drastically changed their ambissions... Obama gave in.

Topol-M launch.

The Russians always said this missile shield was meant for screwing with Russia.

Well, they deployed the Topol-M on which no missile shield works.

The only option was to back down with some dignity.

And accomplished what??? Thousands of casualties on both sides, bankrupt our country, what???

#24 | Posted by danni

Come on Danni. FDR had already provided a solution. Over the last 60 years, how much money have we pissed away due to the red menace?

See?

One is on a hypothetical shoreline next to some deep body of water when a deadly snake comes up innocently enough, and then quickly jumps up and wraps itself around one's neck and slowly starts to squeeze. One can do several things:

-One can think he's stronger than the snake and try to pull it off with one's bare hands.

-One can try to kill it with a weapon.

-One can try to leave it alone in hopes that it will loosen its grip and go away.

-One can try to coax it to let go by giving it something else to eat.

or...

-One can grab ahold of the snake and jump into the deep body of water and float to the bottom, and bet that he can hold his breath longer than the snake. This would bring closure to the situation. One of 'em is gonna die.

Sometimes the only recourse is to choose the last option. I think we have that type of option on the table now.

"America had no choice at all actually."

So Clinton and the WH were talking out of their ass back in Feb and March? This Admin was lying back then?

Isn't it also ironinc this was reported last month, and the WH decided to release their decision on the Russian invasion of Poland. Amateur hour, or sly like a fox?

So Clinton and the WH were talking out of their ass back in Feb and March? This Admin was lying back then?

It shows that even when the answer is obvious... when you know what you are going to have to do... the American policy machine is reacting slower and slower.

It's starting to look like they are swimming in syrup and getting to like it.

This is good.

-The Left

This is bad.

-The Right

This is funny as hell.

-The World

"Come on Danni. FDR had already provided a solution. Over the last 60 years, how much money have we pissed away due to the red menace?"

Oh yeah, you're right, invading the biggest country in the world wouldn't have bankrupted us and destroyed our military as it has every other nation that ever tried to invade it. If only you could be advising presidents.

"I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straight forward and trustworthy and we had a very good dialogue.

"I was able to get a sense of his soul.

"He's a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of his country and I appreciate very much the frank dialogue and that's the beginning of a very constructive relationship," Mr Bush said.

How much money are we saving on this?

Don't forget he called him "Pooty Poot" or some shit like that, Taxman.

Those Russians are sneaky basterds who have duped every president we've had since Reagan.

Are these people so short sighted that they forget about North Korea???

Could somebody with an IQ above igloo room temperature show Muffy a map of the world?

I'd ask that they also point out NK is nowhere near a launchable nuke, but I don't want to overburden either of her brain cells.

But it's nice to see the righties can still crap their pants on command.

Fuck Obama. Unless there is a quid pro quo here, he's once again showed the russians his belly

Yeah 101, he should have been as tough as Bush was when Russia invaded Georgia. Sending a couple of speedboats to cruise around a Georgia harbor was really tough. Or he could have been as tough as Bush was when the chi-coms skyjacked that spyplane in 2001. How much did he pay them to get it back? And he only apologized to them twice...

Fucking hypocritical rightwingers. I suppose 101 would have been thrilled to increase the deficit to pay for these missiles.

What with the bribes osama and the bitch hillary are getting from chavez for taking sides with the dictator Zelaya in Honduras, The coon and the bitch should get filthy rich from the pay off from putin for throwing Poland and the Czech Republic to the wolves. America and especially the blacks that voted for this asshole should be very happy with yourselves.
You have fucked America for the last time.

Bash thinks that Obama is thinking about the russians helping venazuela with nuke technology and trying to stop them from creating a nuclier venazuela. it would probably be a bad thing to have chaves with a bomb or lots of bombs.

If they put it near the Canada/USA border you bet your ass we'd mind.

Posted by danni
* * * *

I wouldn't. Why would you? If Canada actually said they wanted to put a missile defense system in, and placed missiles along the US border--and other places--that would really bother you?

Weird. Does it upset you when your neighbors buy a handgun to protect themselves?

Brilliant move by Obama. Bush and Cheney, under the direction of Rice ferried in Georgian troops being trained in Iraq to attack Russia from Georgia and then claimed it was Russia's fault. This was Bushy politics and his brand of diplomacy with Russia. Bush and Cheney's intent was clearly a direct attempt to coerce Russia into creating the need for the US Defense contractors to grab another piece of the American pie in the name of national defense, before their term ended as commander in chief and his side kick Dick. When that didn't work B&C came up with the phony defense shield proposal as another way to get the job done, which was of course making money for their favorite DOD contractors as usual.

What Obama did was nip another huge waste of taxpayers money by the DOD in the bud, while at the same time, easing international tension from both Russia and Iran.

It's about fucking time someone in this country did something about the escalating ill will that has so permeated the last administration. It's not like we no longer have the nuclear deterrant that has kept Russia and Iran as bay for 60 years now. You go Obama. Screw the naysayers. You may just be the second president in history to earn a Nobel Peace Prize.

You must mean the year, right? Because by September 17, 1939 the Wehrmacht had already completed the envelopment of Warsaw.

#8 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2009-09-17 01:40 PM | Reply

One thing that most people overlook is that missile defense is one of the few technologies that is truly *defensive*. That is, tanks might be good for defense, but they're also very useful for offense. I think a better analogy for Danni would be to ask: does it upset you when your neighbors buy bullet-proof vests?

Fuck Obama. Unless there is a quid pro quo here, he's once again showed the russians his belly

What would the quid pro quo be? Would you like to see Russian ICBMs in Cuba again?

Interesting. The same righties who complain about big government turn a blind eye towards our bloated military. Can you imagine their whining if say, Russia gave Cuba or Venezuala a defensive missile shield?

America must retreat. It is broke. It can't afford its military empire. And it is at risk from foreign financial attacks. Maybe Obama got the message.

"Conservatives are breathless. Evidently the reality that the "Secretary of Defense and the Joint Chiefs of Staff recommended to the President" what Pres. Obama announced today didn't make a dent.

They're running around with their rhetoric half cocked, with Michael Goldfarb emotionally upset, accusing Obama of "smears" against the right's beloved missile shield system: The White House has put out a "fact sheet" on their policy of Russian appeasement/missile defense surrender.

Wow. "Appeasement" and "surrender" in the lead off sentence. Impressive.

The right thinking they know better than the SecDef and the Joint Chiefs, plus Joe Biden and Pres. Obama combined.

This occasion also gave 2012 hopeful Mitt Romney a chance to posture on national security. I wondered what opportunity Mr. Romney would use to show himself."

"George Patton was right. We should have marched in there and kicked the Ruskies asses in the 40's."

And accomplished what??? Thousands of casualties on both sides, bankrupt our country, what???

#24 | Posted by danni at 2009-09-17 02:39 PM | Reply

oh, i don't know...freed millions from Gulags, prevented a Cold War that cost trillions to maintain, China may not have fallen to Mao, the Korean War would not have happened (a communist "North" Korea was the price FDR paid to ensure Russia attacked Japan), Vietnam would not have happened...where do you want me to stop Danni? psssst! let me clue you in on something else: Stalin was the greatest mass murderer in history; Hitler was a novice. some estimates put the number at 40 MILLION OF HIS OWN CITIZENS. and some people wonder why others hate communism so much.

"Weird. Does it upset you when your neighbors buy a handgun to protect themselves?"

If Canada or Mexico or did anything to indicate that they considered the US to be a threat there would be a tremendous reaction here whether you are honest enough to admit it or not, you still know it's true. I hate debating with snide jerks who pretend to believe something that we both know they don't.

Why would we need a missle shield in europe anyway?

BTW, keep selling.

EDB is a lunatic. I never said Stalin was a good man, never said Russia wasn't our enemy. I only said that only a lunatic would try to invade Russia.
People like you are the one's responsible for idiotic invasions where other people die, that break economies, that create more enemies.

Post 65 is a ggod point... My answer is that it would us to shoot and hit them without them being able to hit us.... How would we feel about a russian missile defense net on canada?

I don't know...

Like I stated above... Obama may be trying to get the russians not to help Venazuela with nucliar technology.

Interesting. The same righties who complain about big government turn a blind eye towards our bloated military. Can you imagine their whining if say, Russia gave Cuba or Venezuala a defensive missile shield?...
#67 | Posted by Ray at 2009-09-17 04:51 PM | Reply

No nukes in South America seems to be the goal.... Obama may be correct.... As far as post 63... Dude... That's pretty wild stuff.

and Danni is a BHO slurping geopolitical neophite. Stalin didn't get nukes for another 4 years after WWII. people like you would rather live under the boot of a Stalin or Hitler than fight them. for people like you, nothing is worth dying for.

This is funny as hell.
-The World
#52 | Posted by Tosser at 2009-09-17 04:02 PM

I think you meant "the third world."

What would the quid pro quo be? Would you like to see Russian ICBMs in Cuba again?

#66 | Posted by snoofy at 2009-09-17 04:49 PM | Reply

how about they dismantle their own missile defense system. that's quid pro quo.

"for people like you, nothing is worth dying for."

You're ridiculous. YOu don't have a clue about anything. Hilarious.

now call me a racist for disagreeing with BHO Danni.

how about they dismantle their own missile defense system.

Why would we want them to stop wasting their resources on stupid shit that doesn't work and doesn't protect against asymmetric threats?

Wasn't getting them to spend themselves into a big hole on Star Wars how we "won" in the first place?

EDB, what's your game? You an aging cold warrior that just can't let go? Or did you sit at grand daddy's knee learning all about hating them commie bastards?

What ever the case you need to let it go man. It's over the USSR is no more we "won" the cold war.

Russia will make a lot better of a friend than an enemy.

Like I stated above... Obama may be trying to get the russians not to help Venazuela with nucliar technology.

#74 | Posted by bashthis at 2009-09-17 04:59 PM

The cost savings are welcome, however.

Why are we supposed to be afraid of Venezuela?

The boogey man is gonna get you! He is commie, satanic, gay married, muslim, socialist, democrat, illegal alien and he is coming for be afraid.

So afraid that you don't pay attention to how much money we are stealing from you.

"now call me a racist for disagreeing with BHO Danni."

Make a racist comment and I will, otherwise you're just fool.

Bush and Cheney's intent was clearly a direct attempt to coerce Russia into creating the need for the US Defense contractors to grab another piece of the American pie in the name of national defense, before their term ended as commander in chief and his side kick Dick

You need to look up the term Military industrial Complex.

That souds evil I know... But it is what made America as safe and free as it is.... That is why we have the best of everything in this country.... That is why you have the chance to say what ever you like on here my friend.

I think you meant "the third world."

I meant everyone who isn't American.

After all the "Iran this! Iran that!", when Russia frowned, your tail went between your legs (like we knew it would) and you backed down with a whimper.

Yes, we find it funny but expected.

That is why we have the best of everything in this country

Not true, they have way better cellphones in Asia. They have better porn in Europe. And they have better education, well, just about everywhere.

The rest of the modern world also has better health outcomes which cost less, in case you hadn't heard.

Weird. Does it upset you when your neighbors buy a handgun to protect themselves?
#62 | Posted by rightisright

Only if there's no cops in the state. And the world has no cops. Its a self help system baby. And I don't feel like glowing in the dark. Mutually Assured Destruction is about all we've got.

After all the "Iran this! Iran that!", when Russia frowned, your tail went between your legs (like we knew it would) and you backed down with a whimper.

This from a guy who's country WE BOMB Every Day!

hey Tosser why don't you tint your car windows and drive around in the western provinces for us.... CA Boom!

I had thought having an idiot like Bush running America was great for Pakistan (America giving Billions for nothing in return)... but no, having a coward like Obama running America is even better. LOL

"After all the "Iran this! Iran that!", when Russia frowned, your tail went between your legs (like we knew it would) and you backed down with a whimper."

Had Americans not elected a pussy like Obama, perhaps that wouldn't have occurred.

"Yes, we find it funny but expected."

Again - when the "we" is a third world shithole like Pakistan, nobody in America cares.

Are these people so short sighted that they forget about North Korea???

Really a dumb dumb move.

#1 | Posted by MURPHY

I have never understood why we should defend Europe. Most of them hate us. We should pull all of our bases out of there and worry about the USA for a change.

We have a verry long southern border that needs to be protected and defended.

This from a guy who's country WE BOMB Every Day!

Err... no.

We only allow you to bomb those we want dead.

You clean our trash for us like the janitors you are.

The proof is, we never let you bomb Haqqani who kills American troops daily. LOL

Again - when the "we" is a third world shithole like Pakistan,

We is also a "shithole" like China and a "shithole" like Russia.

You behaved and backed down just as they said you would. LOL

nobody in America cares.

You don't care about backing down? LOL

OK.

"We is also a "shithole" like China and a "shithole" like Russia."

You are correct, those are shitholes. I have met people from both countries who have moved to America and they will vouch for that. They would never go back. Neither would you, if you could ever drag your ass out of the dump called Pakistan.

"You don't care about backing down? LOL"

No, we don't care about the opinion of a shitstain blogger who lives in a country where rape victims are stoned to death as punishment. I.e., you.

You need to look up the term Military industrial Complex. That souds evil I know... But it is what made America as safe and free as it is...
#88 | Posted by bashthis

That's crap. Absolute rubbish. The Military Industrial Complex is like Microsoft. They sell you stuff which is already outdated and then explain that if you give them a little more money, they'll build something new, test it, sell it to you, and laugh because by that time it too is outdated. wash, rinse and repeat.

Worse, we've gone complete overkill on our spending. They sold us 50,000 copies of Microsoft Office Gold Enterprise Macro Over-Kill Edition when we needed 5 copies of Word and the occasional Excel.

But for the record; Bill Gates is seriously the second coming of Christ. All hail Microsoft, our future overlords and masters. May the Windows be with you.

"You don't care about backing down? LOL"

No, we don't care about the opinion of a shitstain blogger who lives in a country where rape victims are stoned to death as punishment. I.e., you.
#98 | Posted by JOE at 2009-09-17 05:37 PM

Ignore the messenger and look at the fucking message. He is right. We talked tough six or seven months ago and like the NK incident, we back down with our tails between our legs.

You are correct, those are shitholes.

Right... I wonder if Obama could ever get the courage to tell Putin his country is a shithole. hahahahahahaha

if you could ever drag your ass out of the dump called Pakistan.

And go live in USA... the same USA whose words no longer mean anything? LOL

who lives in a country where rape victims are stoned to death

I don't live in such a country.

But you do live in a country that got it's tail between it's legs and ran away with the first stone Putin threw at you. LOL

He is right. We talked tough six or seven months ago and like the NK incident, we back down with our tails between our legs.

You backed down 3 times.

1. This thing.

2. Norks.

3. Send American troops into Pakistan. LOL

All bullshit.

Everyone of Obama's threats/promises are turning out to be lies.

RCADE Banned beefers for posting anti muslim shit in here but tosser gets to post this crap?

The proof is, we never let you bomb Haqqani who kills American troops daily. LOL

LOL my ass... Hey RCADE...... What country are you from....

RCADE!!!!!!

but tosser gets to post this crap?

Tosser doesn't break moderation policy, now does he?

I smell denial of service You smell that RCADE???

I am surprised some people can't take the truth as I see it, or as the whole world sees it.

Pity.

It will sink in eventually, I hope.

I smell denial of service

You are accusing me of launching a cyber-attack???

Wow!

we never let you bomb Haqqani who kills American troops daily.

That is true, btw.

Haqqani is not touched as it is not allowed... yet he is the biggest attacker of American troops (according to America).

However, US drone killed Baitullah Mehsud, who never hurt any American ever but who was wanted by Pakistan only. LOL

"Everyone of Obama's threats/promises are turning out to be lies."

Must be the all that experience and the great job as a member of a Senate Foreign Committee. Of course the ranking Chair was none other than his VP. Sigh, going to be a long four years. If of course we last that long.

But tosser laughing at Americans being killed is OK with RCADE.......

I am laughing at your stupidity and the idea people like you have that you have any control left over anything.

America has LOST CONTROL over world affairs.

And it isn't getting it back. Ever.

Good-bye USA. GO make hollywood movies. That's all you're good for now. LOL

Get my point silly fellow?

Hey tosser... Seems we don't ask....

A September 2008 airstrike which targeted Haqqani, resulted in the deaths of between ten and twenty-three people.

The US missile strike hit the house of Haqqani in the village Dandi Darpa Khail in North Waziristan and a close-by seminary[13][14].

The madrasah, however, was closed and Haqqani had previously left the area.[14][15]

and Haqqani had previously left the area

Surprisingly Haqqani has always "left the area" just before the drones arrive.

Just like "Elvis has left the building".

Also, after every, "Haqqani hit" the "ten people killed" can NEVER be confirmed. LOL

Get it? You attack empty buildings.

That is because you have to show somebody in charge you did something at least. LOL

Jesus is coming... look busy. hahahahahahaha

IM done!

You betcha. LOL

I said so before, that I recognized you... that you weren't exactly the smartest pup in the litter.

Case in point.

Do I detect anger and resentment?

No, you detect enjoyment.

And I thought you were done? Back for more so soon? LOL

And the countdown has started.....

Gonna get me banned there tosser?

It's amazing how some folks just lose it when they can't handle the truth.

The truth is out there son... and it sets you free. LOL

Gonna get me banned there tosser?

Damned if I know, what's going to happen to you. LOL

Ill just create new accounts.... What are you gonna do then ass?

Still here ass.....

You need to look up the term Military industrial Complex.

That sounds evil I know... But it is what made America as safe and free as it is.... That is why we have the best of everything in this country.... That is why you have the chance to say what ever you like on here my friend.

Don't lecture me basher. I know exactly what made this country what it is and exactly what dragged us into the hole it is in. We built a military industrial complex that stopped Hitler, but then used it to push an agenda of expansionism. Unfortunately our war monger leaders forgot the basic premise that when you conquer a country you have a moral responsibility to administer peace and commerce. That's called reconstruction overhead, so now what? We can't afford to take care of the basic needs of our own population and you think we should spend more to take care of the rest of our conquest, even when most of these people could care less about our capitalist colonization?

Wake up boy, before it is too late and we get dragged down to the level of a third world country as a result of massive debt and inflation caused by too much money going out and not enough coming back.

You see... and even the Christians on this site will back me up on this.... I NEVER insult Jesus.

I can't... since Jesus is part of Islam and we consider him a great Muslim, second only to Mohamed himself.

Yet, the first thing the trailer-trash do, is insult Mohamed.

Well, religious, racist and bigoted ethnic slurs are against moderation policy.

I think you will get that point hammered in soon enough.

fucking hilarious, mate. so much so, in fact, that as the oil cup draws to its logical conclusion, tosser, we will squash you for what we said we'd let you keep. you get the last of nothing, because believe me, you've more than earned it. not oil, not uranium, not gold, not the girls, hell, not even the last word. unless, of course, you can sufficiently distract us with your endless poncing about. what's on the tele? looks like a penguin... and there i go, distracted already. again, fucking hilarious.

Tosser is crying to RCADE....

Ill just create new accounts.... What are you gonna do then ass?

You should ask RCADE that... but I will tell you THAT results in a PERMANENT ban.

we will squash you

Your days of "squashing" are over. LOL

Obama is in charge now.

Doesn't change the fact that the opinion of a third world shitstain like Tosser doesn't matter a bit.

It's not MY "opinion" that made you back down whimpering.

It was Putin growling at you. LOL

I find this very enjoyable... you just can't stomach the fact, your President sold you out? LOL

Well I am still here....

My my... why all this hurry to get banned?

Have some patience, old boy.

No nukes in South America seems to be the goal.... Obama may be correct.... As far as post 63... Dude... That's pretty wild stuff.

Don't be so naive. You are starting to sound like the clown who said America doesn't already have a missile defense shield. Have you ever heard of Barking Sands, just for starters? Do you have any idea how many missile systems are already deployed on ships and submarines. Do you think we don't have enough already?

our oil supply will outlast him. not so sure about yours, or for that matter, you.

#12 | Posted by moneywar

You and Doc are missing it.

North Korea is capable of attacking our allies in that area.

The MDS wasn't or shouldn't be confined to Iran and it's actions--but Russia and NK too.

Iran Nuke Report Could Call Into Question Obama's Basis for Missile Defense Shift
A secret IAEA report says Iran has "sufficient information" to build a bomb. It says Iran is likely to "overcome problems" on developing a delivery system.

"Just hours after President Obama and Defense Secretary Robert Gates announced that they were shelving plans for a missile defense shield in Eastern Europe because of Iran's shift in strategy, the Associated Press revealed details of the secret report by the International Atomic Energy Agency. It says Iran has "sufficient information" to build a bomb."

Odd six months ago the Admin said it would not consider removing the shields in Europe unless Iran shifted course. Didn't think they meant shifting the wrong way.

George Patton was right. We should have marched in there and kicked the Ruskies asses in the 40's.

#18 | POSTED BY WISGOD

Very funny.

I'm sick and tired of seeing Tosser hijack thread after thread concerning foreign policy on this site. And it's not because he's right, it's because he posts answers to his own posts, and then some idiot comes along and feeds the troll.

I'm not sure what mud hut he hails from, but he's naive if he thinks that we can't reach out and touch anyone we want, whenever we want.

I think the European Union is all grown up now. They can start providing for thier own defense systems. let's see if they can still afford all the social programs they brag about. They are like a 40 year old living with and off his parents while lecturing them on how they arent investing and saving as much as he is.

I'm sick and tired of seeing Tosser hijack thread after thread concerning foreign policy

Then feel free to post some counter-argument that makes sense instead of whining and moaning about it.

And it's not because he's right,

I'm afraid, Tosser is always right.

he's naive if he thinks that we can't reach out and touch anyone we want, whenever we want.

Not when you back down when anyone sez BOO..!!!

I'm not sure what mud hut he hails from

You can see right here. LOL

See this thread...

VIENNA (AP) - Experts at the world's top atomic watchdog are in agreement that Tehran has the ability to make a nuclear bomb and is on the way to developing a missile system able to carry an atomic warhead, according to a secret report seen by The Associated Press.
The document drafted by senior officials at the International Atomic Energy Agency is the clearest indication yet that the agency's leaders share Washington's views on Iran's weapon-making capabilities.

It appears to be the so-called "secret annex" on Iran's nuclear program that Washington says is being withheld by the IAEA's chief.

The document says Iran has "sufficient information" to build a bomb. It says Iran is likely to "overcome problems" on developing a delivery system.

hmm, this comes out a day after he promises to help iran bomb europe, what an idiot. he has this willingness to help those who are tyrannical regimes, burma, hugo, iran, NK, Honduras.......hmm maybe that is his plan for you.

We (the tax payers) win. But the usual suspects who conplain about high taxes have found something else to whine about. Typical.

Let's hope this is just the beginning of scrapping of the many stupid, Alzheimer's inspired policies inflicted on our country by Reagan and the idiots who came after him.

Darn near ruined our country.

The Polish and Czech newspapers this morning are saying that the US sold them out.

Oh well. We've broken our word before. Nobody cares, and as long as Moscow is happy, then Obama's done his job.

An editorial in Hospodarske Novine, a respected pro-business Czech newspaper, said: "an ally we rely on has betrayed us, and exchanged us for its own, better relations with Russia, of which we are rightly afraid."

The move has raised fears in the two nations they are being marginalized by Washington even as a resurgent Russia leaves them longing for added American protection.

The Bush administration always said that the planned system with a radar near Prague and interceptors in northern Poland was meant as defense against Iran. But Poles and Czechs saw it as protection against Russia, and Moscow too considered a military installation in its backyard to be a threat.

"No Radar. Russia won," the largest Czech daily, Mlada Fronta Dnes, declared in a front-page headline.

A) Fuck ... the czechs.

#15 | Posted by 101Chairborne

I f**ked a Czech last night. It was most satisfying.

"The Polish and Czech newspapers this morning are saying that the US sold them out."

Perhaps you could provide us with a run-down of which newspapers and what perspective they usually spin.

In any event, the governments of those countries probably could've cared less about the missiles. They wanted Americans in-house, to act as a tripwire if the Russkies get restless.

Did you at least pay him?

The Polish and Czech governments are pissed because they are going to lose out on all of the money and other favors promised by the Bush administration. There is money back in US pockets right there rather than wasted on an uncertain defense system that really had nothing to do with an Iranian threat.

So what does Obama want?

#29 | Posted by NerfHerder

Obama is not Dictator. Obama cannot instantly change underlying US policy and goals that have been in place for decades. We can all sit here arm-chair quarterbacking and criticizing each and every play, but the fact remains that despite being POTUS, the wheel of US hegemony continues to grind along across the planet. Many nations are highly dependent on this. Deals must be made. Monies must be obtained. Compromise is the guide word.

The old adage: You can't please all of the people all of the time.

-One can try to kill it with a weapon.

#48 | Posted by NerfHerder

The truth though with any missile defense system is this: Though you may deploy one hell of a sophisticated system with a very high percentage kill rate, you will never be able to intercept all incomings.

You crackpots claiming the defense shield doesn't work must know something the russians don't.
Why would they be so pleased that a system you all claim is useless isn't being deployed in their AO?

I never said it didn't work, I said it is uncertain. Can't really know until it is truly tested. Maybe we should install them and piss off the Ruskies so bad that they try to bomb the hell out of Poland - no one would really care if it didn't work.

Well, the Poles and Czech have been sold out before by the United States. I guess when Obama fancies himself an incarnation of FDR, he's not far off.

The Russians have always argued two things:

1) A missile defense shield woulkd encourage a first-strike by the persons owning it.

2) That the logical response would be an arms race to over-whelm the system prior to point one.

Maybe we should install them and piss off the Ruskies so bad that they try to bomb the hell out of Poland - no one would really care if it didn't work.

#152 | Posted by taxman
* * * *

I thought the Poles had nothing to fear from the Russians.

Poland has been invaded from both directions for centuries. America promised them a system that could at least detect whether missiles were inbound, whether they be from a rogue state, or from the East.

But a couple of outbound phone calls from the Kremlin to Obama, and the Poles remember their place in the world. Nowhere. Gobama! "Restoring the image of America in the world!"

1) A missile defense shield woulkd encourage a first-strike by the persons owning it.
* * * *

Thank you for regurgitating the Kremlin's talking points. And I'm sure that's just what Prague and Warsaw were hoping for--once they got a system in, they were going to launch attacks against a country 400 times their size, with thousands of warheads and millions of troops.

Sheez. Well, using your rationale, Taiwan should disarm. No need to have the Chinese believe that Taiwan is readying an invasion.

RiR, are you telling me that if Poland were to be invaded by the Russians we would sit back and watch? I think you are painting with a broad brush largely resulting from your dislike of the current President rather than being truly objective about the situation. Plus, I thought this system was supposed to protect the Poles from an Iranian attack, not a Russian one - at least that is the way the Bush administration portrayed it.

2) That the logical response would be an arms race to over-whelm the system prior to point one.

#154 | Posted by Zed at 2009-09-18 09:55 AM |

Well seeing as though the russians have their own missile defense shield, as well as a missile that can supposedly not be stopped by a missile defense shield, what exactly is the shield going to prompt the russians to do that they already haven't?

As usual, you'll STFU and pretend to have something else to do.

#152 | Posted by taxman at 2009-09-18 09:47 AM | Reply

My post wasn't directed at you. There were several people in this thread and in other "Defense Shield" threads that are adamant that the shield doesn't work.

A. This decision was made on the recommendation of Sec Def Gates.

B. There's a story at MSNBC.com this morning where it's being proposed NATO and Russia pool missile defense systems to thwart rogue Asia and ME countries.

RiR, are you telling me that if Poland were to be invaded by the Russians we would sit back and watch? I think you are painting with a broad brush largely resulting from your dislike of the current President rather than being truly objective about the situation. Plus, I thought this system was supposed to protect the Poles from an Iranian attack, not a Russian one - at least that is the way the Bush administration portrayed it.

#157 | Posted by taxman
* * * *

Yes. We would sit back and do nothing.

The system was always for the Russians. The Russians knew this, and so does Obama. And so do the Poles.

A. This decision was made on the recommendation of Sec Def Gates.

B. There's a story at MSNBC.com this morning where it's being proposed NATO and Russia pool missile defense systems to thwart rogue Asia and ME countries.

#160 | Posted by Timex
* * * *

A. Obama: It wasn't me! This is what Gates wants!

B. I thought that N. Korea and Iran lack the capability for nukes and delivery systems. That's what Bunghole Biden says yesterday. Now the threat is so severe that we need a massive joint cooperation between the Russians and NATO to thwart them?

I can't keep up with the talking points from the left. How about we just settle for, "Obama is always right, even when he's talking out of both sides of his piehole."

"Pretend you have something else to do...."

What can I tell you, CHAIBORNE? I have a life. You should try one.

Yes. We would sit back and do nothing.

The system was always for the Russians.

There is no way that we would sit back and watch, again you are blinded by your hatred of a left of center politician.

Are you saying Bush lied to the American people about the Iranian threat?

Plus, I thought this system was supposed to protect the Poles from an Iranian attack, not a Russian one - at least that is the way the Bush administration portrayed it.

#157 | Posted by taxman at 2009-09-18 10:00 AM

Take a gander at post #43. Let me know how Clinton's words are any different than Bushs'. Let me know what Iran has done to warrant the decision by the admin. Because according to Hillary, it was up to Iran to change before the US would consider the fate of the shields.

The Russians have an updated version of ABM deployed to protect Moscow. This system is compliant with the 1972 SALT agreement though an updated version of that.

If memory serves, the US had the right via SALT to construct and ABM, which they were going to use to protect missile silos and not a population center.

The Russians say they have a ballistic missile that can jink in mid-flight. If this is true, by itself that renders every existing ABM ineffective.

Zed, your cutting and pasting of Russian talking points makes me all nostalgic for the 1970's and 80's, when the American left kept forgetting what country they lived in.

Ah, the memories.

Quick question: if your lambada-performing Russian missile really exists, why were the Russians so nervous about missile defense systems?

There is no way that we would sit back and watch, again you are blinded by your hatred of a left of center politician.

Are you saying Bush lied to the American people about the Iranian threat?

#164 | Posted by taxman
* * * *

Yes, we would. Do you really believe that Obama would send troops in to protect the Poles against an attack by the Russians? Do you really believe that?

And no, he wasn't lying about the threat that Iran poses. They have a premier who has promised to build nuclear weapons, and employ them. And the defense shield was sold on the idea of protecting our new allies against rogue states, which, from time to time, includes the Russians, and their new dictator-for-life. Putin talks, Obama balks. Just like old times.

Quit being a pussy.

The Russians have an updated version of ABM deployed to protect Moscow. This system is compliant with the 1972 SALT agreement though an updated version of that.

If memory serves, the US had the right via SALT to construct and ABM, which they were going to use to protect missile silos and not a population center.

#166 | Posted by Zed
* * *
One of the signatories to that treaty doesn't exist anymore. Take out a recent map, and you'll see that the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics is no more.

In other news, we don't honor the Treaties of Vienna anymore.

1. MDS works against a single missile or maybe a few, unsophisticated ones. i.e. not russia, probably Iran.
2. Iran is not attacking prague, maybe the UK though, so the missile system would work for an intercept on this type of attack.
3. If Iran wanted to nuke the US, it would likely be done via ship or something, at least with plausible deniability. not a smoke trail pointing to Teheran.
4. Because of 3, an iranian missile would only be fired after they are attacked.
MSD is designed to allow the US to attack Iran, consequence free..
5. Russia probably doesn't want the US to have that kind of impunity in such a geostrategic area.
6. Russia is a big player - you can't pretend they are nothing, like RiR seems to want to do.

MSD in europe is an offensive move that irritates big regional players, costs a lot, and probably won't make anyone safer.

Quit being a pussy.

#169 | Posted by rightisright at 2009-09-18 10:32 AM

Get back under your bed, you frightened little sheepstain.

lets take stock of it a day later

ON THE 70th ANNIVERSARY of the russian invasion of poland. obama does something that makes russia and iran happy but poland unhappy.
hhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

and the BEAR is embolden yet some more.

and poland and czech.. are members of nato are they not?
and didnt we give our word that if one nato country is attacked, its treated as all being attacked?
I guess that shit's out the window since the president has been caught in YET ANOTHER FUCKIN lie on health care....otto raddick is his name...

We can't afford health care but we can afford to defend Poland from a non-existent threat.

Right wing logic.

"and the BEAR is embolden yet some more."

The threat of terror seems remote of late so the righties need to try and get us to fear Russia.
Fear, Fear, FEar, don't turn off the light at night because a Russian might be under your bed.
What a bunch of fraidy cats the right is.

Hey AFKABL2...."boo!"

Now go change your Depends.

A Masterstroke of Weakness

Obama shares that Award with his Republican Sec of Defence Robert Gates, and the entire Joint Chiefs of Staff, one supposes.

Iran is making much more progress with smaller missile systems than they are large ones, and our military advised that we concentrate on defending more against a real threat now instead of spending everything on a threat that has yet to be realized.

Partisan politics aside, of course.

I'm not scared. But my country hasn't been criss-crossed in both directions for the past three hundreds by invaders from the East and the West.

It's nice to be in the 1960's again.
A supposedly antiwar president is in the White House who if prosecuting two wars, despite his promises to end them. Another massive new entitlement program akin to the War on Poverty is coming down the pike, with similarly poor results. And the libbies have resorted to form, and are doing Moscow's bidding again.

Gobama! "Restoring the image of America abroad." Hmmm. Yes. Around the time I was born, Americans were viewed as pussies, who would turn their back on their friends. Mission accomplished!

Iran has never shown any sign of belligerence.
This fear Iran is a pure fabrication by the be afraid so we can rule you crowd.

Fucking RIR again with the BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAAAH BLLLLLAAAAAAAH BLAH CRAP.

"It's nice to be in the 1960's again."

No you are stuck in the 1960's that is your problem.

BTW the commies are NOT coming to get you. They never really were.

Iran is showing lots of belligerence. Just that they are doing it with small missile systems much more than large ones.

But I'm sure that you guys know more about it than Gates or the Joint Chiefs.

We can't afford health care but we can afford to defend Poland from a non-existent threat.

Right wing logic.

#175 | Posted by danni at 2009-09-18 11

silly argument...

and I dont wear depends just yet..when I get to be YOUR AGE I will consider it....hee hee....

just this morning on cnn.
TOM DASCHLE said the following on health care

"we've got some room in the budget"

what budget is HE looking at?

Fucking RIR again with the BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAAAH BLLLLLAAAAAAAH BLAH CRAP.

#181 | Posted by moneywar

translation

"I got nothin"

But I'm sure that you guys know more about it than Gates or the Joint Chiefs.

What a damn stupid post of condenscention without meaning this came to be.

Iran has never shown any sign of belligerence.
This fear Iran is a pure fabrication by the be afraid so we can rule you crowd.

#180 | Posted by Salaryman

let me guess...you dont like israel either.

we kept our heads buried in the 30's and we kept our heards buried leading up to 9/11

I guess it will be a twisted 'third times a charm' for the libs to catch on that there is evil in the world.

"I got nothin"

Yes afkabl2, YOU GOT NOTHIN!

BTW the commies are NOT coming to get you. They never really were.

#182 | Posted by Salaryman at

"we will bury you"

"your children will grow up under communism"

OOPS...nikita is about to proven correct on that one...

and ever since churchill made a speech in missouri just after the war when one of the statesment first refered to the 'iron curtain'...to the FAMOUS REAGAN LINE....he press and libs then scoffed at him too..
and libs and newspapers have gotten it all wrong ever since.
THIS president sure isnt any different.

"I got nothin"

Yes afkabl2, YOU GOT NOTHIN!

#188 | Posted by moneywar at 2009

holy shit

what a pathetic attempt...
I was being sarcastic..I didnt know just how truthfull that translation was.

afkabullshit2,

stop addressing me, I can't even read your damn crappy posts anymore.

Do you ever tire of posting the same ole crap over and over again day after day? How much do you get paid to do it? after all, you would have to be retarded to post the same stuffing crap day in and day out without being paid.

Seriously some poorly translated rhetoric does not equal beligerance

I was being sarcastic..I didnt know just how truthfull that translation was.

Nothing fucking about you is TRUTHFUL, and your dumb as a box of rocks so it is funny you trying to post a TRANSLATION of someone else. Come up with something new cause I have been gone for quite sometime and come back to your same crap.

The Russians say they have a ballistic missile that can jink in mid-flight. If this is true, by itself that renders every existing ABM ineffective.

Yes it's true.

The most advanced anti-aircraft and missile interceptor is the S-400. (SA-21 Growler). Without question. It is far far better than the American Patriot for example.

same truthtelling of a lieing piece of shit president
if he could tell the truth sometime or just stay off the fuckin tv for awhile I might not have so much to say

BUT HEre is a link about IrAN and its too bad that libs today are just as wrong about iran as they were the old soviet union and the rebuilding of that "EVIL EMPIRE" thats been helped out by obama yesterday

Seriously some poorly translated rhetoric does not equal beligerance

#192 | Posted by Salaryman at 2009-09-18 11:52

so we sit back and ignore the threat like we did in the 30's and like we did when rumors were out about nazis and what they were doing to the jews.
and we ignore the threat like we did against terrorist in the 90's...

like it or not we are policemen in the world because noone else will do it.

and euro socialist govts are slobbering all overthemsleves at all of these things going down.

and russia AND iran likes it...that alone should tell you something.

and russia AND iran likes it...that alone should tell you something.

#196 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-09-18 11:58 AM Reply | Flag: paranoid AND fucking stupid

See this pic I grabbed....

The comments above by the Right are as expected!
"Obama's soft on defense".
A play from the Cheney book of international brinks- manship.
The Mullahs and Kim both Know that their countries would be molten glass if anything Nuclear happened!

The missile shield would never have worked.

But it was dangerous for Russia in the sense that, a missile shield would lead to false confidence by the other side and they would be more likely to do something stupid if they believe themselves protected.

Also, the missile shields give the excuse to have very powerful over-the-horizon radar capability.

Russia would not like that. Who would?

The Mullahs and Kim both Know that their countries would be molten glass if anything Nuclear happened!

They also know America would now treat them with kid gloves.

But my country hasn't been criss-crossed in both directions for the past three hundreds by invaders from the East and the West.

#179 | Posted by rightisright

I suppose if one is American Indian, this statement would be hotly disputed.

Obama is a backward thinking appeaser, typical Dem. He is a puppet for Pelosi, Reid and Rhombo. Another great move by the "O" man.

They also know America would now treat them with kid gloves.

#201 | Posted by Tosser

This is based on your opinion, and nothing more. Quit talking as if you're an expert on foreign policy, because I'm sure those that are have better things to do that blog on the retort all day.

I'm sure the honest truth is that you're a 20-something loser (by Pakistani standards no less) sitting in a 1 bedroom apartment surrounded by comic books and empty redbull cans, desperately hoping someone takes you seriously, because the people around you don't.

Quit talking as if you're an expert on foreign policy,

I am far more of an expert on foreign policy than your Secretary of State. LOL

desperately hoping someone takes you seriously

Don't take me seriously.

Take your Hillary and Obama and your dog and pony show seriously instead.

See where that gets you. LOL... the people who have been wrong about EVERYTHING.

Getting angry at me will not make you any less cowardly in front of Iran and the Norks, etc.

Get angry at your Obama who .. after all the song and thunder... went down with a whimper. Saying it was all Bush's fault is not right.

"Cursed be the man who, picks a fight when drunk, then apologizes when sober"... Afghan saying... applies to America.

I am far more of an expert on foreign policy than your Secretary of State. LOL

Keep telling yourself that. One day someone else might just believe it.

Don't take me seriously.

Yeah, no worries there.

"Afghan saying"

toss

maybe that saying explains why afghanistan is so fucked up

and has always been.

hahah

Keep telling yourself that.

I keep proving it everyday.

Yeah, no worries there.

Yes, put your fingers in your ears and go "LALALALALALALALALA".....

Typical American. LOL

applies to America.

#206 | Posted by Tosser

Again, so you say. Just how many people around here do you think put stock in all these claims of yours? My first guess would be none.

maybe that saying explains why afghanistan is so fucked up

Exactly.

And it looks like America has picked up the same germs. LOL

Wow! I miss TPS.

Again, so you say

So I say.

in all these claims of yours?

Which of my claims are wrong exactly?

Point them out, one by one.

What "claim" did I make on this thread that is wrong?

Do tell me. LOL

Idiot.

And you had better make it good.

Yes, put your fingers in your ears and go "LALALALALALALALALA".....

Typical American. LOL

#209 | Posted by Tosser

I'm running the risk of making you feel more important than you really are by responding, but I'll bite. You're imparting anger and fear where there is none. Our armed forces are the best in the world, period, and Iran's nuclear program isn't the problem the Bush administration made it out to be. That was just fearmongering for political purposes. AEGIS cruisers and ground based THAAD systems can intercept any missile from Iran directed at our forces in the region, and Russia wouldn't be stupid enough to send one our way because they KNOW it would result in a response. Korea, just like you, wants ATTENTION. They don't have the balls to bring the world to their doorstep by launching a missile at anyone.

You can say all you like about how Russia and China could compete, but unless they allied against the US, they're not a threat.

What "claim" did I make on this thread that is wrong?

Do tell me. LOL

Idiot.

#214 | Posted by Tosser

NOW you're playing like the righties around here! Good for you! You say something, I say it's your opinion, and you defy me to disprove it and call me an idiot.

What's the matter? Are all of your friends at work or at class putting their time to good use while you waste yours pretending to be a foreign policy guru?

Our armed forces are the best in the world, period,

You can't get one miserable cave-dwelling busted-kidney Osama bin Ladin. Period.

and Russia wouldn't be stupid enough to send one our way because they KNOW it would result in a response.

You miss the point. The point is, YOU will not make trouble either. You KNOW it will result in a response.

Korea, just like you, wants ATTENTION.

Norks want to be left alone. The very opposite of American attention. And they have succeeded.

You can say all you like about how ... China could compete

The whole world knows you live on Chinese money and buy Chinese products to survive.

Yeah they can compete. LOL

but unless they allied against the US, they're not a threat.

Oh.

Have you been living under a rock since the last few years?

Look up "SCO".

They ARE allied. LOL

you're playing like the righties around here!

I don't play games. I am not American. I don't lie and I don't exaggerate.

I am asking a simple question.

What "claim" of mine I have made in this thread, is a lie?

I knew you couldn't do it.

Bullshitter. LOL

The whole world knows you live on Chinese money and buy Chinese products to survive.

What a dumbass, chinese money?????

I guess you don't understand but the US deals in dollars......and guess what......the chinese have to spend it here or be subject to huge inflation.

What a dumbass, chinese money?????

How much of your debt is held by the Chinese?

Please don't pretend to be stupid. It doesn't suit you.

However, if you really don't understand, let them off-load those trillions into metals, and then I am sure you will get it. LOL

Englishwar strikes again...

What a damn stupid post of condenscention without meaning this came to be.

#186 | Posted by moneywar at 2009-09-18 11:44 AM | Reply | Flag

stop addressing me, I can't even read your damn crappy posts anymore.

#191 | Posted by moneywar at 2009-09-18 11:50 AM | Reply |

your dumb as a box of rocks so it is funny you trying to post a TRANSLATION of someone else. Come up with something new cause I have been gone for quite sometime and come back to your same crap.

#193 | Posted by moneywar at 2009-09-18 11:52 AM | Reply | F

Read in WSJ today that some in the EU are 'roiled' over Obama's move to halt the hypothetical shield. I say, excellent! When it comes to being pedantic little snivs, the EU takes it's lead from the UK, so as far as I'm concerned, let them develop it for you. Just be sure they use Lucas electrics. LOL Cheers! Au Revoir! Auf Wiedersehen! Adios, motherfuckers.

the chinese have to spend it here

As you keep going down, yes they will spend it in the US... on buying assets and stripping them.

Asset stripping. People getting under-employed.

Quick profits. Locust style. LOL

that some in the EU are 'roiled' over Obama's move to halt the hypothetical shield.

Oh yes.... they are mad as hell.

When it comes to being pedantic little snivs, the EU takes it's lead from the UK, so as far as I'm concerned, let them develop it for you.

UK doesn't have the human or technical resources to do something even remotely similar.

Oh.. the EU also knows the missile shield will be useless against Russian jinking missiles like the Topol-M.

They are mad because they have been left out of the American Gravy Train.... no more juicy deals for them at the expense of the American tax-payer. LOL

The missile shield had to be removed to placate the Russian bear who has started down the road of economic warfare against the US as retaliation for the Reagan administrations economic destruction of Russia before via the Russian mafia located in Chicago. If you pull back the curtain on China you will find a man named Vladimir Putin pulling the strings.

"They wanted Americans in-house, to act as a tripwire if the Russkies get restless." - Doc

Very true.

This issue is as multi-faceted as any diamond. Lots of players each with a different agenda. It isn't really about the missile defense system per se. Everyone knew that was/is a joke.

For the Czechs & Poles (and other Eastern European nations), this is a blow. They didn't want or specifically need a missile defense. They needed some actions which indicated that the U.S. would back them if Russia pulled any stunt re them. But yanking the m.d. doesn't really establish anything. What happens next is more critical. Because Russia is guaranteed to actively attempt to take advantage of the situation. First by heavy-handedly intervening in election in Ukraine and the Baltic countries. The "next" part is what everyone is fearfull about.

For Western Europe, it poses a quandry that they didn't want to face. They definitely want something which will keep Russia from expanding. And they were quite happy to have the U.S. do that. Now, as some in NATO have already made proposals, they will have to handle the issue themselves.

For us the issue was/is Iran. While we don't expect Russia to support us, this action indicates that the administration is hoping that it will get Russia to not act in support of Iran. Collaterally, it saves us expenses we don't need.

For Russia, it is a victory. They are constantly playing a power game with the rest of the world. And they will use this move to tell/prove to Eastern Europe, and especially ex-USSR countries, that they can't expect the U.S. to support them and therefore need to acceed to Russia's wishes. Whatever they may be.

Putin has stated that the collapse of the Soviet Union was the greatest geo-political catastrophe of the 20th century. A couple of the top Russian ministers have stated that Poland was at fault for starting WWII - that they should have just given Hitler what he wanted. Putin and Medvedev have both stated that Ukraine isn't a real country. And that the Baltics countries really want to be a part of Russia. And that Georgia and other countries in that area need to be taught lessons so they won't disobey (yeah, they really used that word) Russia in the future.

How this administration plays this out will prove most interesting. Pushing the issue into the future may be the correct course. Russia is very primed to collapse. Still, I think this administration needs to establish that it wants Russia to act "as an equal", not merely to mouth the words and continue to oppose us.

What "claim" of mine I have made in this thread, is a lie?

#219 | Posted by Tosser

Don't be so fucking dense, or obtuse. I never said you were lying. I said your opinions are your just that, opinions, and not peddle yourself as a foreign policy expert.

Breaking News@!! CNN reporting that Obama just gave Vladimir Putin a room at the White House and one night a week sex privileges with Michelle Obama.

Y'know, when I write F#cK like this:

F @ @ K

It looks like a pair of t#ts!
~UTASTAPH

#232 | Posted by utastaff

He'll be sending Reggie Love over soon to do your daughter.

Just when you think Barry has reached the bottom and can't sink any lower he somehow manages it.

What a guy.

'one night a week sex privileges with Michelle Obama.'

That's the cruelest punishment possible. Wait, I forgot about Hillary.

That missile defesne system was never useful, except as a bargaining chip. I assume that chip has been played, and now we get to save a few billion and not spend it on bullshit.

The missile shield had to be removed to placate the Russian bear who has started down the road of economic warfare against the US as retaliation for the Reagan administrations economic destruction of Russia before via the Russian mafia located in Chicago. If you pull back the curtain on China you will find a man named Vladimir Putin pulling the strings.

#228 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2009-09-18 02:11 PM

Really? Is this your pet theory? Are you auditioning for your own show on Fox? Not sure they have another opening for a clown who 'reports' stuff he made up.

The best part is Barry left the Czech Republic and Poland just swinging in the wind. This is the most idiotic amateurish blunder in 50 years diplomatically.

Hey Barry, here's a real Russian proverb you might want to memorize.

Don't borrow money from your friends to buy drinks for your enemies.

Uvidimsia!

In its heyday, Great Britain had a saying: "The sun never sets on the Union Jack." They had a military presence all over the world, until the costs of WWI & WWII forced them to downsize and retreat.

I think Obama's missile retreat had more to do with the fed's deficits and debts. They can't afford to keep increasing military spending.

I think we'll be seeing more retreats like this in the future.

The BIGGEST mistake was deciding to deploy missiles there in the first place.

The iron curtain came down, the communists fell, and what was Dumb-Ass Dubya's first instinct? Carry on with the cold war as if nothing had happened.

If the folks in Eastern Europe want a missile defense battery, let them buy it. They'll soon enough realize what a con job it was, convincing them to let us build it on their soil in the first place.

The U.S. is not the World Police, as all of our allies keep reminding us, so it's not our responsibility to make sure people in Europe can sleep soundly at night. That's their own responsibility.

Besides, a missile defense battery will do nothing against anything that is NOT a missile. The Russians still have plenty of things in the 'not a missile' category.

No, what this shows is Obama's not a big retard like Dubya was, and that maybe the U.S. and Russia can have a different kind of relationship.

I am sad to say that President Obama is looking a lot like Jimmy Carter. We are going to have a SUPER CONSERVATIVE president after President Obama's reign is over. He is looking very weak.

I need to understand how a country with the largest deficit and debt is expected to somehow provide a protective star wars military umbrella for the world.

Who designated us as policeman of the world? I'm a taxpayer and didn't sign on to that mission.

Where do we get the money? Reagan claimed we'd get it by tax cuts for the rich. Instead we got more deficits.

Having been in the military I can tell you that gross waste of tax payer dollars is the first thing that needs minimized. By cutting the budget in half and then demanding the same level of protection from the JCS is a big start. These O-10s will squeeze out major inefficiencies before they will relinquish their jobs.

I never said you were lying.

Yes, you did.

You said I made "claims".

Now bullshitter.... point out those "claims" I made that have been proven false.

Boys and girls... look how he back-peddles when challenged. hahahahahahaha

I said your opinions are your just that, opinions,

Everyone has opinions, so?

Why does my opinion... which is backed up by major news sources and major think-tanks... seem to so disturbing to you?

and not peddle yourself as a foreign policy expert.

Just because I know more than you, I guess I must look like a foreign policy genius to a midget like yourself. LOL

Are these people so short sighted that they forget about North Korea???
Really a dumb dumb move.
The world is coming to the conclusion that the US word means nothing.
All under Obama..

#1 | POSTED BY MURPHY

We know your priorities are in things that go boom instead of taking care of our citizenry. Its a waste of fucking money.

oh, i don't know...freed millions from Gulags, prevented a Cold War that cost trillions to maintain, China may not have fallen to Mao, the Korean War would not have happened (a communist "North" Korea was the price FDR paid to ensure Russia attacked Japan), Vietnam would not have happened...where do you want me to stop Danni? psssst! let me clue you in on something else: Stalin was the greatest mass murderer in history; Hitler was a novice. some estimates put the number at 40 MILLION OF HIS OWN CITIZENS. and some people wonder why others hate communism so much.

#69 | POSTED BY EDB

good move dumbass.. invade russia and experience what broke the Werhmacht's back in Stalingrad..

Boys and girls... look how he back-peddles when challenged. hahahahahahaha

Ok, Princess, let's play. Go back and find where I called you a liar. Don't bother replying unless you do.

Why does my opinion... which is backed up by major news sources and major think-tanks... seem to so disturbing to you?

And just in case you DO reply, do you mind citing these think tanks?

Just because I know more than you, I guess I must look like a foreign policy genius to a midget like yourself. LOL

#244 | Posted by Tosser

Do think-tanks use LOL as much as you do? I'm guessing this is the same as that uncomfortable chuckle that squeaks out of you when nobody pays attention to what you say in person.

Look.

Eastern Europe is indefensible from a Russian or German attack. So if the US wants to attack Eastern Europe its easy. If the Russians want to attack Eastern Europe its easy. But if you want to defend it, you're in deep trouble.

Obama has made it easier for him to defend the US's more dependable allies (the Cold War Nato Countries) by taking a promise away to "defend" the impossible to defend Poland, Ukraine etcetra.

Russia is too weak to really grab on economically, politically or militarily even its European ex-Soviet states. If Nato considered most of the former Warsaw Pact as a neutral zone, and just built it up economically, Eastern Europe could DETER Russia all by its lonesome.

GO-bama.

Think-Tanks

#249 | Posted by YS_1

Who are you addressing?

Who else is talking about think tanks?

Who else is talking about think tanks?

#251 | Posted by YS_1

There's two of us smart-ass. I was asking Tosser to cite a think-tank that supports any of his opinions. The onus isn't on me to find one that does, it's on him.

Show me a link to a specific article, not the homepage of the website.

homepage

Its a Policy and News Blog that updates daily on the entire Afghanistan Pakistan region.

Go through every Pakistani authored article. They all come from the same policy position. The word on the Pak Street is apparently "news" to liberals on DR.

How sad.

The word on the Pak Street is apparently "news" to liberals on DR.

Also, the word on the Pakistani street and what all these analysts say, become reality in the near future.

Whatever the US Govt. sez, on the other hand, turn into mud.

So do excuse us Pakistani folk (me, YS and Klifferd) from think you people are a bit under-informed.

Seriously under-informed.

Hell, most of the people here didn't even know Russian missiles can't be intercepted.... something which they made a point of telling the whole world. LOL

America needs to have it's ears cleaned and it's eyes checked.

How sad.

Yes, isn't it?

I don't know whether to pity them or laugh at them. LOL

Go back and find where I called you a liar. Don't bother replying unless you do.

So you accept everything I have said as TRUTH.

Goody. LOL

do you mind citing these think tanks?

So a Dumroo like yourself could be as good as me?

Nope. Find them on your own.

And even if you do, most are in Urdu. SO you are out of luck anyway.

Do understand, there are publications you have to subscribe to.

You don't find everything on a Wiki-page. That is what two-biters like you do. LOL

Do think-tanks use LOL as much as you do?

They would if YOU ask them for a job. LOL

I mean... YS.. Obama backed down in such a disgraceful fashion... after making all that noise... and most Americans still don't realize what happened?

Let me tell you what happened.

American myth of a "super-power" was shattered into a million pieces.

That is what happened.

What the Chinese were saying all along... that the US is a paper-tiger... THAT was proven by Obama.

The old America would have gone ahead. But the weak-and-broke-America knows it can't keep it up.

The bluff was called and Obama folded. LOL

YS.. Obama backed down in such a disgraceful fashion

Which one? There are so many to choose from. Which one specifically is dentonic powder angry over?

The veiled threat to deploy US troops in Swat while we got killed in Waziristan? That idea got smashed ;-)

If you're calling "withdrawing" the missile shied from Europe the withdrawal, the thing is, its probably for the best of the US to pull put. And there isn't much deployed to call it a pullback.

Now if they kicked Poland out of Nato, thats a pullback.

Which one specifically is dentonic powder angry over?

Who knows what Dentonic is angry over. He's an American. They are angry and bitter about everything these days. LOL

"Waiter! There is a fly in my soup! We will nuke you!"

I think he realizes (but can't admit) that the US is not what the US used to be and it probably hurts his pride at some level.

That idea got smashed ;-)

Smashed in a thousand pieces. It left them without options and they really don't know what to do next.

Oh yeah, could you also tell about the Sukhois

from the other thread... ok..

So how does an Indian Air Force rank up when its full of 'Fulcrums' and 'Flankers'? My guess, might be "not bad".

Those are the best planes they got. They guard them so well, they were never used in Kargil in case we shoot them down. LOL (we shot down two Indian MiGs if you remember).

What is the use of a plane if you don't fight with it?

The answer you are seeking can be seen in this video.

However they may be high maintenance, but lets face it, maintenance on the aircraft is amongst the core jobs of an Air Force.

That makes sense if you are able to manufacture the parts in your own factories and in your own country. (Indians can't)

When the Indian planes suffered micro-fractures in their turbines, the planes (all of them) were grounded until the Russians could have a look and then there was a long and expensive wait for the parts to arrive from Russia.

In such cases, it makes sense to have more resilient aircraft.

so does the JF-17 have any real fighting capacity over an SU-30 or a Mig-29?

Against the Mig-29? Oh yeah.

It's got RD-93 engines... which are an improved version of the RD-33 engines that the MiG-29 has.

Plus it is a newer plane with is going to be installed with a few surprises up it's sleeve.

Against the SU-30? Maybe, maybe not. The SU-30 is a beast and carries quite a weapons load. And it is BVR capable, just like the JF-17.

It's too close to call... will depend on the pilot and how he/she fights and on things like airborne radars and missiles and such.

However, for the SU-30, we are getting the J-10B.

I can guarantee it is far superior.

The JF-17 aint the mainstay of the Chinese air force, but we are making it the mainstay of our own. What is the reason for this (albeit now, old) decision?

1. The Chinese want to devote all their resources into the J-10 family.

2. The J-10 is bigger and carries more of a punch than the JF-17.

3. Pakistan is making the JF-17 because it is faster to manufacture and it can fill our needs faster. Since it can take care of 90% of the Indian airforce....

4. The next plane which is equal to the American Raptor, is JXX.... It will appear sometime in 2015-2020. Pakistan is a partner in the research project, I am told.

And can they like produce these any faster

Oh yes.

That is one of the main advantages.

First Squadron is ready. In Peshawer.

manufacture the parts in your own factories

Thats the thing. Sukhoi is not really getting much business. All it has outside the Russian AF is the Indians. So the thing is, why don't the Indians go into business with Sukhoi. My prediction is that they eventually will.

Beast

Oh yes. My friends always pointed out how Sukhois are the largest jets in the world. Those things do have a good look about them. If the Indians have real sense they'll, well abandon the LCA or get the Russians in close.

So the thing is, why don't the Indians go into business with Sukhoi.

Because they are stupid.

My prediction is that they eventually will.

For that to happen, they have to upgrade their manufacturing ability. And I mean seriously upgrade.

Right now, India can't make the Sukhoi. Too advanced.

If the Indians have real sense they'll, well abandon the LCA or get the Russians in close.

Consider the LCA more or less abandoned anyway.

The Indians have put their money into a joint project with Russia that will take some time to mature.

And the ugliness. My God.

Indians like ugly wemin. What can I say?

they're not launching an invasion any time soon with that junk.

Pakistan has superiority in tanks, artillery and surface to surface missiles. Pakistan has also superiority in ballistic missiles. Pakistan also has cruise missiles (air, land and underwater launched) which Indian doesn't have.

No, there is no chance of an invasion of any kind whatsoever.

Guess who has the highest ratio of artillery pieces per fighting unit in the world? That means artillery and missiles....

Norks.

Who is second?

Pakistan. LOL

We can fire more shit on someone's head and keep it coming than almost anyone else can.

I just think that she's cute and would be more so if she let her hair grow.

I think she had an accident and her face got in the way.

Long hair will help I guess.... there is always hope.

highest ratio of artillery pieces per fighting unit

Yer right - I heard that over the last eight months, trying to figure out the way the Pakistan Army's supposed to fight. The Pakistan Army is Massive when it comes to artillery. Second only to the North Koreans. This air discussion and the return of artillery reminds me of an old quote;

Q: Why did Pakistan Hold its own in 1965?

A: Allah, Air Power and Artillery

Q: Why did Pakistan Hold its own in 1965?

A: Allah, Air Power and Artillery

Yep. Largest tank battle since WW2.

Indian tanks all destroyed.

Have you seen our new Al-Khalid MBT?

Sri Lanka bought 20 Al-Khalid MBTs.

They were used to finish of the Tamil Tigers.

Just 20 tanks. Very effective.

Topol M - makes me laugh with all of its clunking sounds and all of its other technical issues it has...

Ground based and missile weapons are so 20th century - I would tell you more but won't.

And Warfighting doctrine!

When World War I began, everybody said they'ld be back home by Christmas, and the war went on for Four years. Why? Because the Machin Gun and the Barbed wire made for great defensive "technology". Defence was king.

When World War II began, the French decided to go for massive defence, and were ready to fight for four years in the Maginot Line. They were defeated in five weeks? Why? Because the new "technology" of tanks and fighter/tactical bombers allowed defensive positions to be overcome. Offense became king.

At this time, I think Hezbollah have shown the way to current war fighting trends. With miniaturization and mass production, anti-vehicle shoulder fired weapons are the way to go, bringing the adantage back to the defense. This makes offenses, a very bad idea.

Have you seen our new Al-Khalid MBT?

Have I Seen the New Al-Khalid Tank?

Have I SEEN the New Al-Khalid Tank?

"it's not the rifle but the man"...keep telling youself that....

Modern Battle Robots need not heed that bs advice before marching into a deathtrap in a POS MBT like the T85....

Yeah... "we are soldiers".... show was canceled mid-series.

The Admiral found the show's host irritating (as did everyone else).

But, yes, you can see how menacing it looks. And it works better than it looks.

Topol M - makes me laugh with all of its clunking sounds

The sounds of it's launch mechanism, you mean.

Idiot.

Go to bed Tosser - you are in way over your head I will not engage with some armchair defense minister who throws out silly name calling posts - You are making your reputation worse....

but I digress and will say this though....

India basically sports the same russian MBT tech as your country does, albeit more advanced , but you see - you and India are just plaything pawns of the large world powers and that is all you will ever be - keep spending you GDP on defense and you will keep in the dark ages like your neighbors in that region of the world.

Topol is a POS and your country should spend it's money on better things....Like GEVO locomotives...

defense minister

He called me a "defense minister"... hahahahahahahahaha

YS... did you see? LOL

I intimidate this guy (though I don't what I said exactly to intimidate him) that he thinks I work for the Govt as a Minister!

sports the same russian MBT tech as your country does

No. Not really.

albeit more advanced

Nope.

But feel free to post the specs here if you think you know something I don't.

We are waiting.

Topol is a POS and your country

1. My country doesn't have Topol-M.

2. If it was a Piece of Shit then why did Obama's tail go between his legs? LOL

Idiot.

YS... now this Idiot-Mutant will come up and tell us India's T-90 is "more advanced" than Pakistan's T-80 and Al-Khalid.

And he will do this because he made a guess that sine 90 is more than 80... LOL

Let me put an end to that right here.

T-90 failed in the hot Indian weather. It is a Russian tank designed to work in Russia. End of story.

Before you tuck in do not forget to don your sexy churidar pajamas (pygamas)...and clean up your toys...your mama would like you to take some responsibilty for a change.

Like GEVO locomotives...

Boys and girls! He doesn't know the rail-track in India and Pak is extra wide! LOL

"armchair" means you not working for the gov. but spouting off like some expert whilst sitting in your armchair in your mamas basement...get a clue - and why do you have to resort to name calling so much - weak arguments perhaps?

Did I call you childish names?

Before you tuck in do not forget to don your sexy churidar pajamas (pygamas)...and clean up your toys...your mama would like you to take some responsibilty for a change.

See?

He has nothing else to say, no supporting evidence to offer....

Just a childish whine. LOL

I think you are another Hindu-Indian. Am I correct? Your use of the english language seems off.

Gauge is no problem - we basically retruck the locos to operate on whatever the distnace is between rails - who is the uninformed now??

Your country should buy things to help people , not kill them ...but that is why you are where you are at....still after 60 plus years of being independant

but spouting off like some expert

Prove me wrong Hindoo.

and why do you have to resort to name calling so much

Because I find you and people like you disgusting and feel dirty even talking to you? LOL

NO.... it's because I'm a mean guy.

not kill them

We only buy to kill Indians.

If you are not Indian, you don't have anything to worry about.

but that is why you are where you are at

Just as your knowledge about military and weapons is ZERO, your knowledge of anything else is also ZERO.

What to do now? LOL

Look kid, you were trolling for attention, and you got your "15 posts of fame".

Now give me an insult so you have the last word and bugger off. LOL

Tosser - I would sit and talk with you, perhaps even have light debate with you - it is human ya know to disagree on things...but it seems that you do not want to...perhaps you are incapable as well?...so I will concede and go bugger off knowing that I trolled you into another circular argument that could only end up in a war and lots of causulties on both sides. you "won" again. What it is you won I will never know.

More fun

and russia AND iran likes it...that alone should tell you something.

#196 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-09-18 11:58 AM Reply | Flag: paranoid AND fucking stupid

#197 | Posted by jerrytarkanian at 2009-09

"that chamberlain guy was a real statesmen"

jerry tark..

the man in charge of the defense of millions is too much of a chickenshit pussy to talk to chris wallace

THAT should make us all feel real safe,.

Big Ears dropped the missle shield and threw Poland and the Czech Republic to the wolves in return for Putin giving GE and its dirt bag CEO a very lucrative contract. obama, immelt and the two assholes from ACORN (Wade and Dale Rathke) should all be in Leavenworth playing pull the train. I know big ears loves this game.

Barrack Obama, in April:

"The Czech Republic and Poland have been courageous in agreeing to host a defense against these missiles," he declared. "As long as the threat from Iran persists, we will go forward with a missile defense system that is cost-effective and proven."

Barrack Obama, today:

"Russia doesn't want us to help you, so go screw yourselves."

Yet another group of people who believed Obama, just before he threw them under the bus. What a despicable move on his part.

But no surprise, really. Surprised it lasted six months.