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Monday, September 14, 2009

The bailouts have largely stabilized the financial system, but regulatory reform is needed to prevent a similar crisis from happening again, President Obama said Monday in a speech on Wall Street. "Unfortunately, there are some in the financial industry who are misreading this moment," he said. "Instead of learning the lessons of Lehman and the crisis from which we are still recovering, they are choosing to ignore them."

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What lesson from Lehman? The lesson that if you're not connected enough to get a bailout like everyone else, that your institution will fail? I guess the lesson is to hire better lobbyists and take guys like Tim Geithner out for drinks.

The lesson: Become too connected to fail.

The lesson of Lehman was that if you do nothing then failure is assured. Lehman almost took the entire western economic system down. If AIG and some of the others had been allowed to fail we would all probably be in soup lines and would not be talking this crap. We would be asking, "Why didn't the government do something?". Sometimes I wish that we would adopt the solutions of the right just to for them to see the outcome, oh yes we did that for the last 8 years. How is that working for us?

Lehman Crashed because they invested heavy in Bundled mortgages.... I don't know how they thought that was a good idea.... But they did.... Most of the big guys.... Merrill Lynch Bank Of America... All apparently just as stupid..... Look folks... It's not rocket science....

You dont lend money to people who cant pay it back.....

You dont use those loans as a thirty year investment package thinking they are worth something.....

Idiots... People should be going to jail for all this BS....

The head of Lehman made a fortune wrecking that company.... So did the head of GHI, That guy make Three Hundred Million in three years... The head of Merrill.... They all knew exactly what they were doing..... Making themselves RICH!....

They got paid to invest peoples retirement funds.... They Lost the funds.... Zeroed some out all together.... But they got paid......

Wake up you Sleepy Americans.... We got fooled again...... And.... The new boss is exactly the same as the old boss!

The lesson of Lehman was that if you do nothing then failure is assured. Lehman almost took the entire western economic system down. If AIG and some of the others had been allowed to fail we would all probably be in soup lines and would not be talking this crap.

PURE. FEARMONGERING. BULLSHIT.

So did the head of GHI

Sorry I meant AIG..... I always get the two mixed up.... And I worked for GHI//...

That person bashthis was Stan Oneil, praised as the first black man to run a wall street firm. Merrill did the same thing they did with LTC, investor envy. Merrill watched all the hedge funds run cash profits on leverage, and wanted to supply them, AND get in on the action. Only a fool would have thought CDO's were AAA. I didn't.

Fannie maes were earning 5% and paying 1% commissions. CDO's were paying 7% and 3% commissions. Something was way too good to be true. Proven yet again on the street of dreams.

Personally I think they erred in closing LEH, and they should have bailed them out too. What to do NOW is the question. Closing those 19 tarp banks would have cost trillions. Now they all have net equity values.

Ray would say that these moves have just delayed the inevitable. Maybe so, maybe not.

Lesson learned? That tim geitner was asleep at the switch of the NY fed

And that alan greenspan had become senile

For me the lesson learned is how the "long con" eventually pulls everyone in.

If you look at the homebuilder stocks, the engine of "economic growth" during the Bush years, they all peaked in 2005, well before the rest of the market figured out what was going on.

In other words I didn't learn crap and I'm bound to get burned again. :(

BTW What sort of regulations would obama impose on the NY fed to prevent this in the future? Let me guess, he'll ask geitner to write some new rules!

It's unbelievable......You just can't make this shit up.

What has Barry learned if anything? Maybe he can ask the Tax Cheat to help him understand all this economic stuff.

#10 If you look at the homebuilder stocks, .... they all peaked in 2005, well before the rest of the market figured out what was going on.

I believe you, but if you had that info at hand it would be interesting to see.

G2, go to finance.google.com, type in DHI, then click the 10y button.

BTW What sort of regulations would obama impose on the NY fed to prevent this in the future?

On one of Zakaria's news shows Sunday before yesterday, Spitzer argued that you don't even need new regulations -- just regulators who do their jobs. (He was a little more polite than that.)

Let me guess, he'll ask geitner to write some new rules! -- #11 | Posted by DavetheWave

He dodged a direct question regarding Geithner, but indirectly included him among those who could have done something (while Chair of NY Fed) to avert the crisis, but didn't.

To be fair, Geithner IS pushing higher capital adequacy standards in the G20.

To be even fairer, the Obama Administration/ Geithner/ etc. face substantial opposition from bankers/business, and the ordinary folks who need to write their congresspeople fall asleep when the conversation turns to financial regulation.

Stiglitz said the U.S. government is wary of challenging the financial industry because it is politically difficult..."We aren't doing anything significant so far, and the banks are pushing back," he said... "It's an outrage," especially "in the U.S. where we poured so much money into the banks," Stiglitz said. www.drudge.com
and
"But a key component of the Obama plan - creating an agency to oversee marketing financial products to consumers - faces a tough road to become a law. Industry lobbying against it and other proposed financial rules has been fierce and the president's fellow Democrats have been slow to take up the cause." www.drudge.com

The bailouts were a moral failure. Our economy may rebound numerically, and people may go back to their old ways, but the moral hazard will never go away.

Aside from becoming a nationalists society, we also invaded soveriegn countries for no apparent reason.

..just...can't get that damned blood off my hands....

#15

that's the beauty of the fed...

When you want to have the congress audit them "they must remain apolitical"

When you want to regulate, it's too political of an issue.

"If the American people ever allow private banks
to control the issue of their money,
first by inflation and then by deflation,
the banks and corporations that will
grow up around them (around the banks),
will deprive the people of their property
until their children will wake up homeless
on the continent their fathers conquered."
-Thomas Jefferson

Now you telling me that Thomas Jefferson was anti-capitalist. Welcome to the 21st century and stop pretendening that the founding fathers had all the answers. They didn't, so we have to fend for our selves.

I heard another economist make a good case that Congress failed as well, especially their finance committees. Can you say barney frank?

Now you telling me that Thomas Jefferson was anti-capitalist. Welcome to the 21st century and stop pretendening that the founding fathers had all the answers. They didn't, so we have to fend for our selves.

#19 | Posted by bigblackie

No that's your assumption.
They did however establish thie great nation.

What have you done?
And there's your answer. (no pun intended)

Obama's short time in office has taught a valuable lesson to millions of people: the Democrats rank equal with the Republicans when it comes to aiding and abetting the super wealthy, who feel equally comfortable aligning themselves with either party. To them, campaign donations and lobbying are foolproof, profitable investments.

Obama is talking tough while doing nothing to reign in the fraudsters.

The only lesson from Lehman is that if you don't have an ace in the WH you are toast.

Paulsen --who should be tried--and Thimmy are both Goldman Sachs guys. They were both at the table to let Lehman fall and cause the biggest bs panic of our lifetime.

And Lehman was Goldman's competition.

Guess who got taken out?? Lehman...

And the rest of Wall Street is still doing the same bs and there is no bill to re-enact the Depression-ear bill that prevented them from doing this same bs. Under Clinton the congress repealed the protections...

Had to do with Grahm??

So has anything changed?

No way.

Obama--same old shit different administration.

Can you say barney frank? -- #20 | Posted by DavetheWave

And Chris Dodd. But don't forget their predecessors (2000-2006), Oxley and Shelby. uspolitics.about.com Odd that they've managed to keep low profiles.

"But don't forget their predecessors "

And let's not forget all the fixes the Republicans did while in power for 6 years.

What? They didn't do anything other than loosen regulations, and make sure the SEC was neutered?!? Hell, then...fuck them.

The lesson being, if you expect the federal government to properly regulate their banker friends, then you have no experience on this planet.....

...if you expect the federal government to properly regulate their banker friends, then you have no experience on this planet..... -- #26 | Posted by jonryker

Well, I might reword it this way: if you expect the federal government to properly regulate their banker friends when ONLY their banker friends are weighing in on regulation...

This is what happens when organized crime runs the world. The difference between organized crime and petty crimes, is lots of political cover, a Corporate umbrella, multiple planted lawyers and managers in Treasury, the Federal Reserve and the SEC and handouts to elected officials sufficient to buy not just their silence, but their full cooperation in implementing these crimes against their constituency.

Lehman was a planned demolition concocted by ex-Goldman Sachs CEO Henry Paulson, who wanted to create a financial 9-11 to scare Congress into complying with his demands for $700 billion in emergency funding (TARP) for underwater US banking behemoths. The whole crisis reeks of conflict of interest, corruption, and blackmail.

The media have played a critical role in peddling the official "Who could have known what would happen" version of events. Bernanke and Paulson were fully aware that they playing with fire, using the mushrooming crisis to achieve their own objectives. Then things began to spin out of control; credit markets froze, interbank lending slowed to a crawl, and stock markets plunged. Even so, the Fed and Treasury persisted with their plan, demanding their $700 billion pound of flesh before they'd do what was needed to stop the bleeding. It was all avoidable.

Mr. Nocera says that almost everyone he's ever spoken to in Hank Paulson's old Treasury Department agrees that without the immediate panic caused by the Lehman default, the government would never have agreed to make the loans needed to save A.I.G., a company it knew very little about. In effect, the Lehman bankruptcy caused the government to panic, which in turn caused it to save the firm it really had to save to prevent catastrophe. In retrospect, if you had to choose one firm to throw under the bus to save everyone else, you would choose Lehman. Although nobody realized it at the time, Lehman Brothers had to die for the rest of Wall Street to live.

So, according to the muddled logic of the NY Times, everything worked out for the best so there's no need to hold anyone accountable. (Tell that to the 7 million people who have lost their jobs since the beginning of the meltdown) This latest bit of spin is an attempt to rewrite history and absolve the guilty parties. Paulson and Bernanke deliberately created the crisis in order to jam their widely-reviled TARP policy down the public's throat. The Times thinks the public should be grateful for that because, otherwise, the crooked insurance giant, AIG, would not have been bailed out and Goldman Sachs and other Wall Street heavies would not have been paid off.
Bernanke could have fixed the problem in an instant. All he needed to do was provide explicit government guarantees on money markets and commercial paper. That would have ended the bank-run pronto. But he chose not to. He chose to wait until Congress capitulated so he could net $700 billion for his banking buddies.

Bernanke was working with Paulson and the Bush administration to promote a climate of panic. This climate was necessary in order to push Congress to hastily pass the TARP without serious restrictions on executive compensation, dividends, or measures that would ensure a fair return for the public's investment.

It was all a hoax. The Fed and Treasury knew that they could count on Congress's abysmal ignorance of anything financial; and they weren't disappointed.

The American people have been ripped off by industry reps working the policy-levers from inside the government. That's the real lesson of the Lehman bankruptcy. Happy anniversary.

Excepted from Mike Whitney @ Counterpunch

Lehman was a planned demolition concocted by ex-Goldman Sachs CEO Henry Paulson, who wanted to create a financial 9-11 to scare Congress into complying with his demands for $700 billion in emergency funding (TARP) for underwater US banking behemoths. The whole crisis reeks of conflict of interest, corruption, and blackmail.

It was all a hoax. The Fed and Treasury knew that they could count on Congress's abysmal ignorance of anything financial; and they weren't disappointed.

not possible. they HAD to approve those funds otherwise the entire financial sector would have collapsed.

-Danforth

Grow some. Try posting an actual quote, instead of what you have to fabricate to misrepresent my position.

I did no such thing.

you believe that Danforth and you have said exactly that.

"you have said exactly that."

Bullshit. I said Bush & Paulson gave Congress no other option. HUGE difference.

You also said it was needed and that a collapse would have occured without it.

"You also said it was needed and that a collapse would have occured without it."

That's what Bush & Paulson & Bernanke all told Congress. And I stated it would have passed even if Congress was 100% Republican because Bush & Paulson left no other choice.

Next time, quote and link or STFU. Or better yet, try arguing your position for a change.

And I stated it would have passed even if Congress was 100% Republican because Bush & Paulson left no other choice.

I don't care. that wasn't my point.

I quoted you accurately.

"I quoted you accurately."

Liar. You didn't "quote" me at all.

pussy. it is your position and you know it.

Why did you lie about quoting me?

#22 Nutcase> Obama's short time in office has taught a valuable lesson to millions of people: the Democrats rank equal with the Republicans when it comes to aiding and abetting the super wealthy, who feel equally comfortable aligning themselves with either party.

I think it was Will Rogers who, many decades ago, said there wasn't a dime's worth of difference between the Dems and the Repubs. Seems like much of Obama's financial plans are equivalent to Bush III (just supersized in $$$).

danf,

Lets review the facts:

Everything did collapse, though not in the way presented to Congress and the American people. It happened in spite of everything they did. So Paulson and Bernanke saved their partners in crime and screwed everyone else. Geithner was also at the table with numerous representives of G-Sax. No one really cared about AIG, but G-Sax & JP would take an enormous financial hit and lose future credibility if AIG BKed. That is why Bernanke and Paulson set about saving them.

The statement "a collapse would have occurred without it" makes no sense because it did anyway. Paulson's partners in crime, with G-Sax holding the dominant position, shifted their losses from themselves to the taxpayer. A planned demolition, with a cover story to go with it, and a Congress and electorate so stupid they fell for it. Most people are so stupid they think we owe our success to Capitalism when in fact it has produced widespread poverty and premature death over and over again.

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