Good for them. They should be rewearded for their intelligence by getting tons of more work. I hope this becomes a precedent, not throughout the company and industry, but throughout the country.

Fuck the unions.

I wonder if card check will work both ways. If people want to get rid of a union, all they have to do is check the card. When they get enough cards the union is out..

Makes sense, it should go both ways. People should be able to choose.

Funny Flag Sawdust, you are such a comedian!

If Boeing ends up moving to China it won't matter much if you're union or not.

You know it used to be in this here United States of America that Corporations gave a shit about their employees and treated them more fairly. Now today, they are in a race to the bottom. I don't get why so many people have to be so greedy. I do however see how the Unions have screwed themselves too. I wished I had the answer I really do. One day the filthy rich will be so rich they will starve.

Larry

You know it used to be in this here United States of America that Corporations gave a shit about their employees and treated them more fairly. Now today, they are in a race to the bottom. I don't get why so many people have to be so greedy.

Larry
#5 | Posted by LarryMohr

just wondering

This is a good move for the entire company. Employees and Boeing.

I have experienced both sides of this. When I was 18 I had a summer job at Motor Wheel in Lansing. I was straight off the farm and used to looking for things that needed to be done and doing them. One day our line was down for some reason, so I picked up a broom and started cleaning my area. It was not 5 min and I had a union steward down there yelling at me calling me a MF, etc. because I by sweeping the floor was taking someones job away (the guy who what supposed to be sweeping the floor). Very intimidating when you are 18. Later when I was teaching I remember the MEA (Michigan Education Association) coming in and telling us that we should go on strike because our school system had a surplus and we should get our part of it before they used it on something else.

So my experience with unions has not been that great.

But now I work for a fortune 100 company and they continue to take away our benefits, etc. (although I have not seen the unions stop this either).

But the real problem I have with corporate america is the push to lower wages. One of the things that Ford did was to pay his workers 2-3 times the going rate. This allowed his workers to buy his cars. When we move things to Mexico or India or China in many (I would suggest the majority) of the cases, the people making the product are not paid enough to ever purchase the product. After all it is being made to be sold in the US. BUT by moving the jobs to Mexico, India or China, there are fewer people in the US who can afford the product as well. So while the company saves on labor, the sell less product or they are forced to sell it at a lower price. What I cannot get anyone to tell me is how this system does not eat itself. Sooner or later there is no one left to buy the products they make.

So to me, there is some sort of balance where you keep good paying jobs here in the US and at the same time you increase productivity.

Even if we all work for 6 bucks an hour we can't compete with Chinese wages. We are bound for the 3rd world.

Anti union people can jump up and cheer but union or not the companies are all leaving. Soon even the white collar jobs won't be here. Just as easy to pay Chinese to push pencils. Sure there will be service sector jobs but try getting by on that.

"You know it used to be in this here United States of America that Corporations gave a shit about their employees and treated them more fairly."

No Larry, there never was such a time, but there was a time when corporations needed labor and they had to deal with unions and that forced them to deal with employees fairly. They never did so voluntarily. They now outsource jobs to China, is that dealing with "labor" fairly???
At some point there will be violence.

They now outsource jobs to China, is that dealing with "labor" fairly??? At some point there will be violence.

Gee, you sound just like one of those "right wing secessionist gun nuts".

What are you going to do? Go to China to kick their corporate asses? After all, you did say that is where they are all going.

moonman you work in healthcare so your job is secure but no reason to say fuck you to those that might have a less stable job.

moonman you work in healthcare so your job is secure but no reason to say fuck you to those that might have a less stable job.

Been put on notice at your dream job for incompetence huh jackass? Well you better start checking the internet for when Boeing starts hiring at their nonunion plant 787 Dreamliner plant in Charleston SC.

Been put on notice at your dream job for incompetence huh jackass?

Posted by Gimme_a_Scotch

I do my job and do it well. I have lived in the SE for a while. I hope to never return

moonman you work in healthcare

What the hell are you talking about, AssNinja? Try breathing while fluffing that donkey. Lack of oxygen seems to have damaged your brain.

Me... working in health care. Bwahahahahahaha

As Bugs Bunny would say, "What a maroon!"

Ok I misread something, Seeing as how you look like satan's assistant I have trouble seeing you in that field. Anyways though I was sorry to hear about your marriage. I hope the next one works out better.

Hahahah.... Awwwww... How cute. AssNinja thinks he knows something. Keep searching donkey fluffer.

Keep calling me any names you want Moocow. You know I have knowledge.

Keep calling me any names you want Moocow. You know I have knowledge.

If you say so, donkey fluffer. All I know is that you consistently overrate yourself.

Somehow I think you are actually under the mistaken impression that I actually give a squishy shit what you think you know. I do not feel threatened by you. Instead I feel rather sad that you feel you have to go through such lengths for attention. I guess paid for companions just don't fill that void and even negative attention is preferable to the indifference you usually get from the world.

Pathetic.

Keep searching, AssNinja.

As Boeing falls so will this country, the faster it falls so will this country.

1/3 of the trade deficit is remove by that single company. Just imagine when none of the deficit is removed by the company.

The reason the NC plant even belongs to boeing is because they were so slow and poor quality that boeing bought the company to fire the management and try to make changes. The lazy fuckers will soon learn what it means to work and their pay is going to be shit. More power to them.

Pathetic.

Keep searching, AssNinja.

#20 | Posted by moomanfl

After knowing what I know that would aptly describe your life. You already admitted you weren't doing well financially. All you have is lies and insults. I'll win every sing time because I have the truth.

After knowing what I know that would aptly describe your life.

Sure... keep telling yourself that.

You already admitted you weren't doing well financially.

Really? I never claimed to be rich, but I am not exactly scraping the bottom either. I suppose I do a lot better than a Radio Shack employee/part-time donkey fluffer.

I'll win every sing time because I have the truth.

If you say so. As if that really meant anything even if you do. What you could possibly find out about me is very limited.

I think it hilarious that you actually want to know more about me than anyone cares to know about you. I really touched a nerve for you to devote this much time for me. Maybe you need to re-evaluate who has actually won.

JACKASS

You souns like Rex yelling "I won, I won! I forced Rogers to dump me. "Yea! I won!"

You need a new mentor, little man.

You said you were too good to meet me for a beer. I know you aren't. You are actually just another lowlife roaming the streets.

twinpac just drop your obsession with me. Nobody even mentioned your name.

Ut oh! Now you've hurt my widdle feewings.

How's that dossier coming along? Is the shoebox full yet?

LOL

twin you aren't even important enough for me to even have one of you.

You said you were too good to meet me for a beer. I know you aren't. You are actually just another lowlife roaming the streets.

Which still puts me about 10 steps above you, AssNinja.

I have hit a really BIG nerve with you evidently. You just keep devoting time to me. LOL

Overall, corporate earnings are in decline. They have no choice but to cut costs wherever they can. Unfortunately for us, there is a great leveling taking place. American wages are coming down and wages in the new capitalist countries are going up.

The good news for Boeing is that they won a trade dispute with Airbus. They argued that Airbus is being subsidized by its state sponsors.

"What are you going to do? Go to China to kick their corporate asses? After all, you did say that is where they are all going."

I was hardly making my comment as a threat. No, more of a long term prediction. When enough people are unemployed and desperate it will lead to violence. I don't favor that violence, I just recognize that it will come. How, where, when, I don't know, it may just be an increase in crime. It may be seen in more people going "postal". I don't really see how you would have any intelligent disagreement with what I've said.

....I live in SC and businesses can do pretty much anything they want..............I see it every day.........

When enough people are unemployed and desperate it will lead to violence. I don't favor that violence, I just recognize that it will come. How, where, when, I don't know, it may just be an increase in crime. It may be seen in more people going "postal". I don't really see how you would have any intelligent disagreement with what I've said.

#31 | Posted by danni

Bilderbergs - - shadow govt foments unrest - - marshal law - - internment camps/mass graves - - the NEW WORLD ORDER IS BORN

It's important to remember that "globalization" only works because the labor force is not free to move to the countries with higher prevailing wages.

So yeah, we're fucked. Corporations have more rights than you, they can open a business in China but you have no legal right to work there.

Third world status can't be far off for us.

I think the only thing that would save us now is if we develop and manufacture here in the USA something that the rest of the world desperately needs. Good luck on that happening. I guess we do export a lot of food, but practically nobody is a farmer any more.

If Boeing ends up moving to China it won't matter much if you're union or not.

#4 | Posted by danni

Its already been decided.. the move to disband the Union is irrelevant.

They can't work for 1.30 an hour in Charleston

I think the only thing that would save us now is if we develop and manufacture here in the USA something that the rest of the world desperately needs. Good luck on that happening. I guess we do export a lot of food, but practically nobody is a farmer any more.

#34 | Posted by snoofy

{smile}

Looks like the only way to be sure of a job in America in the future will be to be a farmer or medical worker. This is the cost of allowing bankers to create fiat money for profit.

1/3 of the trade deficit is remove by that single company. Just imagine when none of the deficit is removed by the company.

The reason the NC plant even belongs to boeing is because they were so slow and poor quality that boeing bought the company to fire the management and try to make changes. The lazy fuckers will soon learn what it means to work and their pay is going to be shit. More power to them.

#21 | Posted by roman

the trade deficit is only relevant if you import the goods.. the demand is falling off the cliff domestically so the goods will flow in slower and the deficit will fall.

Looks like the only way to be sure of a job in America in the future will be to be a farmer or medical worker. This is the cost of allowing bankers to create fiat money for profit.

#37 | Posted by TaoWarrior

Job? How about food? Too many people have no concept where their food emanates much less how to grow it.

"I think the only thing that would save us now is if we develop and manufacture here in the USA something that the rest of the world desperately needs. "

The west coast produces world class cannabis, but other than that...

Looks like the only way to be sure of a job in America in the future will be to be a farmer or medical worker.

or provide much needed services to them.

lucky me.

Boeing is moving to China. Should be good for business, because righties prefer foreign products to American-made anyways.

Too many people have no concept where their food emanates much less how to grow it.

Including the growers themselves, Red State God-fearing hicks with no education, who don't trust Science or Evolution. Yet they manufacture food using chemical fertilizer invented by science 90 years ago, spray it with pesticides invented by science 60 years ago, and grow GMO crops invented by scientists 30 years ago.

Ah, I love painting with a broad brush. :)

That was some funny shit, Snoof. (Do I point out that you need a comma after "Red State"?)

Boeing is moving to China.

I don't think they are going anywhere.

Too many people have no concept where their food emanates much less how to grow it.

Including the growers themselves, Red State God-fearing hicks
-Wrong.independent. Red state yes.. Most of your food comes from Florida and California .. domestically that is.. a significant portion comes from China and South America.

with no education
-Wrong again. MS in Economics.

who don't trust Science or Evolution
-Wrong. Love science. Evolution is da' bomb.

Yet they manufacture food using chemical fertilizer invented by science 90 years ago.

-Actually it was in the early 20th century by the Germans and yes it is necessary. The yields to sustain the current population model on totally "organic" would create mass starvation and disease.

spray it with pesticides invented by science 60 years ago

-Not really. Hybrids and other disease resistant crops are still natural and require less of everything.

and grow GMO crops invented by scientists 30 years ago.

-Not needed. too much outcry regarding the use of GMO here and in the EU

Ah, I love painting with a broad brush. :)

#43 | Posted by snoofy

I will "second" Legio's #46.

Dead on.

America in the future will best to be a farmer or medical worker. . .
#37 | Posted by TaoWarrior

like if I get a check-up, tests, MRI, some phys therapy, & prescriptions - - -
my money gets spread to provide income/payroll to -

1) my Dr.
2) his staff
3) the blood lab & staff
4) x-ray & MRI staff
5) pharmacy staff
6) physical therapy staff
7) etc

HEY . . those guys are my TAXPAYING HEALTH-CARE friends & neighbors who in turn buy houses, cars, groceries, and other stuff - - BUT, my government says thats REALLY BAD

however, if I CHOOSE to spend more on my health, then my health-care neighbors do well & automatically "spend their wealth" thru-out our community purchasing goods and creating jobs

wow, perhaps my gvt isn't really all that smart

Good for those workers to get rid of their Union. Now if only they could get the government off their back.

Good for them. Finally, somebody has stepped up and made a decision that will in the long run benefit both the worker and company. Face it, the unions were needed in their time, now that time has passed and the workers made a wise decision.

WTFUA!

Having worked in jobs that sucked I must admit I think it's a mistake not belonging to a union.

The trick is to not kill the goose that lays the golden egg, don't strike unless you have a damned good reason.

It's easy to blame a union for an industry's problems, but no two cases are entirely alike.

It is a good thing to have collective bargaining. It is also important not to drive the company you're bargaining with out of business.

Within a few years of Reagan busting the Air Traffic Controllers, their replacements felt the need to -- you guessed it -- form a Union.

"It is also important not to drive the company you're bargaining with out of business."

True. But if that's going to happen, the owners can request an arbitrator.

Boeing is moving to China.

I don't think they are going anywhere.

#45 | Posted by eberly

How do you know? I'll bet their CEO is looking at moving there.

Not if he wants to keep military contracts he isn't

They could keep part of it here that handles military manufacturing and send the civilian divisions to China.

"I don't favor that violence, I just recognize that it will come. How, where, when, I don't know, it may just be an increase in crime. It may be seen in more people going "postal"."
#31 | Posted by danni

OMG! Danni is quoting Beck now!

amen, snoofy.

Leigo, you knew I wasn't referring to you. :)

Re: GMO,

U.S. farmers have planted an additional 4.9 million acres of genetically modified corn this year, increasing the portion of U.S. corn that is genetically modified from 81 percent in 2003 to 85 percent in 2004, the Pew Initiative on Food and Biotechnology reports.

Ichiro, that's why I like traveling and knowing other languages. That shit is what I call "survival skills."

And even if it doesn't come to a world of cutthroat brutal survival, it's nice to have a free place to stay in a welcoming home. It's sort of like Pascal's Wager except it happens in this life.

LEGIO:
They can't work for 1.30 an hour in Charleston.

the question isn't whether they can or not, it's whether they will (by their own accord, or not. oh yeah, WHAT accord! no...i meant their own willingness... e.g., if your kids wanna eat... you'll get real willing real fast)!

i hear a tune coming on: 16 Tons.

gee, a Socialist revolution that begins in SC, wow, gotta see that. and Texas _go ahead_ and secede. help your neighbor out with their coming Revolution, k?

"The English muffins, no idea where those suckers originated. It sure as hell wasn't England."

By the way...Sweetbreads? They're not sweet, and they're not breads!

And don't get me started on Spanish Moss.

Most of your food comes from Florida and California .. domestically that is

WHAT? FLORIDA? Link please.

corn, wheat, soy? dairy? WTF!?

do another line. eat another orange.

...pass the spanish moss.

Actually, the cost of living in Charleston is probably such that you can't really survive on $1.30 an hour.

Unless you like twelve hour days and six days a week, like it was 100 years ago. A hundred a week might pay your rent, food, and bar tab.

Stupid unions, who needs 'em?

I bought 16 tons of Indian River fruit years ago; brought it home by canal. So actually all of my fruit does come from Florida, thankyouverymuch.

Finally, 90 years ago was the early 20th century... Masters in Economic, eh? :)

I'm stuck in the 80's .. insert (arggh)

Most of your food comes from Florida and California .. domestically that is

WHAT? FLORIDA? Link please.

corn, wheat, soy? dairy? WTF!?

do another line. eat another orange.

#63 | Posted by ichiro

I should have qualified by citrus and green vegetation that I EAT. If you take out CORN/WHEAT you get a different picture regarding the landscape. I don't know too many people that eat corn/wheat every day 3x a day. If you do... walk yourself to the slaughter house.

Top three by total are CA,IA,TX

with CA being the top in all edible foods.

LA is 2nd behind Alaska for seafood.

IA is primarily corn and cattle.
my beloved NC is ranked 10

For those who've never been inland in Florida, it's farmland - Orlando aside. Some facts:

In terms of revenue generated, Florida's top five agricultural products are greenhouse and nursery products, oranges, cane for sugar, tomatoes, and cattle and calves.

-Livestock

Behind all the fruits, vegetables and field crops, beef cattle and milk are Florida's leading livestock products.

Poultry and egg production is important along with thoroughbred horses.

-Crops

Oranges are Florida's most important agricultural product. Other citrus fruits grown include grapefruit, limes, tangerines and tangelos.

Tomatoes are Florida's second leading crop. Non-citrus fruits grown include bananas, papayas. strawberries and watermelons.

Vegetables grown in Florida are cabbage, celery, cucumbers, green peppers, lettuce, potatoes, snap beans, squash and sweet corn.

Florida leads the nation in the production of sugar cane. Other field crops are peanuts, soybeans and tobacco.

Florida is second only to California in the production of greenhouse and nursery products and ranks first in the production of indoor plants.

WTF is "nursery product?" Is that all the little seedlings you buy at the home garden center, ornamental flowers and shit?

You would think nursery products would be the soiled diadees and wet bedsheets that are all products produced in a nursery but that is just Me.

Larry

....I live in SC and businesses can do pretty much anything they want..............I see it every day.........

I live in SC and don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

"Business can do pretty much anything they want"?

Expound. Please. I'd love to hear this one.

If Unions had not forced Employers to listen to them, workers would still be working eighty hour weeks, including child labor and have no workplace safeguards.

The easiest way for an employer to make money is to cut wages and/or layoff people. It doesn't take any effort.

Forever in debt has taken a new twist in this day and age, but the tension between labor and capital never ends.

I love it! Boeing will have no reason to move things out of the country now that their labor force will be more effecient and more competitive.

Way to go Boeing!! We need to do everything in our power to put GE, Obama's communist sidekick out of business. FUCK THE UNIONS!!!!!!

Say it with me:

THIRD WORLD! THIRD WORLD! THIRD WORLD!

HERE WE COME!

Ask the Irish how it works out when you bend over (backwards) for a company.

I love it! Boeing will have no reason to move things out of the country now that their labor force will be more efficient and more competitive.

Man, has this guy got a lot to learn about corporate backstabbing. By going non-union the company will really take them all down a notch or two before the end. Then it will be bye bye baby with no pensions or lifetime health care. I think the workers know their days are numbered but a cut in pay and benefits isn't going to save their bacon. They are just trying to hang on to a dying hope. Boeing will eventually move on. It's all about money, stupid.

By going non-union the company will really take them all down a notch or two before the end.

how so?

Makes sense since the Unions have been dumping on the workers for years.

I want this country to realize that we stand on the edge of oblivion. I want everyone to remember *why* they need us!

V for Vendetta

@#70

"most of our food" does NOT come from Florida, our = as a nation, Legio.

"Expound. Please. I'd love to hear this one."
a labor lawyer explained it to my wife and I that this was an "at will" state. She was fired because she needed an operation. She worked there for over a year and they would not budge on the issue. The lawyer told us to write our congressman but, that was the law. He also said that people have been fired for anything from dirty fingernails to wearing the wrong color clothes. We have an assortment of friends who have been fired for other minor reasons and also for no reason given. My grand daughter was fired from WalMart and they refuse to give a reason ! The labor department says they don't have to.
So, what do you want from me? I can't help it if this state has stupid laws..........

That is the law in Oregon too. So long as the worker is not fired for an impermissible reason (e.g., being a protected whistleblower (if you don't know what that is, ask Gimme_a_scotch - he's a professional whistleblower), the worker can be fired "for any reason, or no reason at all."

Would YOU fly in an airplane assembled by South Carolinians? Remeber these are the idiots who still vote Republican.

We are a "right to work" state, which keeps Unions out, but are also an "At Will" state at the same time, so your right to work does not include not being fired for any reason at all.

the worker can be fired "for any reason, or no reason at all."

except where unlawful discrimination occurs.

the surgery situation would seem to qualify. there are other circumstances that are in play (assuming that he really talked to a labor lawyer)

#84

With the exception of race, sex, age or religion, right...discriminatory reasons, right?

Remeber these are the idiots who still vote Republican.

yeah, all those union members.

"Makes sense since the Unions have been dumping on the workers for years."

What unions? Not the NEA.

"I want this country to realize that we stand on the edge of oblivion. I want everyone to remember *why* they need us!

V for Vendetta"

What a great comic! Er, graphic novel. (Actually, it was a miniseries. And the movie botched it in parts, but not horribly--plus it had some very cool fight scenes.) In which thread were we discussing comic books today? Some of the greatest speculative fiction has come to us through the much-maligned comic book format.

That is the law in Oregon too. So long as the worker is not fired for an impermissible reason (e.g., being a protected whistleblower (if you don't know what that is, ask Gimme_a_scotch - he's a professional whistleblower), the worker can be fired "for any reason, or no reason at all."

It's true. As a matter of fact, you can be fired for something as petty as "Failure to close parentheses."

:)

"It's true. As a matter of fact, you can be fired for something as petty as "Failure to close parentheses."
:)"
#91 | Posted by snoofy at 2009-09-14 04:21 PM | Reply

Not from the Drudge you can't--we're well protected here.
My small town's largest employer had their people vote to throw out their current union contract and approve one with significant wage and benefit cuts. If they didn't do it, they said, the company would move all the manufacturing down to their facility in Oklahoma.
Nobody wanted to do it, but they did it anyway.
The union still exists here, but if anyone thinks they have any power after this, they've lost their minds.

"With the exception of race, sex, age or religion, right...discriminatory reasons, right?"

True however, as it was explained to me and my wife, if the employer has 50 people or less they can get around the discrimination charges by claiming another reason such as hygine, facial hair, etc. and there is next to nothing you can do about it.......

I'm retired and applied for a part time job assembling furniture and was denied the job because I have a beard. It's neatly shaven like a Bob Villa type beard but, they actually told me that the boss didn't like beards so I couldn't be hired. When I said I would shave they said it was too late they hired some one else.

Unless your filthy rich I don't see anyone getting anywhere in this state unless you conform to the employers every wish.........

"#84

With the exception of race, sex, age or religion, right...discriminatory reasons, right?

#88 | Posted by Lisa"

It can depend on the state, but generally yes. This is what I was referring to when I wrote:

"So long as the worker is not fired for an impermissible reason...."

"I have a beard.

#93 | Posted by Kenoosh"

LOL.....I'm almost bald and have fried egg breasts....LOL.........

Lol, Kenoosh.
By the way, you should talk to Vernon. Almost bald, with fried egg breasts - you sound like his kinda woman!

"By going non-union the company will really take them all down a notch or two before the end.

how so?"

The same way the union took them up a notch. Upsetting the balance of power.

The unions and companys thought process of the past have come and gone. We as a nation have all grown to understand you should be able to work in a safe and clean environment.

Wages have gone through the roof and that is why companies are moving outside of the US. Case in point, The US owns GM, right. But when GM announces a new car is being built in Mexico, I heard nothing from the unions. What's up with that?

Todays union are all gear to protecting themselves from their members. Have you ever wonder how the Union Bosses got their money. Uion dues are used most of the time without the members knowledge.

And what about the ACLU and ACORN!!!

"The unions and companys thought process of the past have come and gone. We as a nation have all grown to understand you should be able to work in a safe and clean environment."

Really? Worker abuse is gone? Hiring and firing capriciously is gone? Hm. Interesting world you live in.

"Wages have gone through the roof and that is why companies are moving outside of the US. Case in point, The US owns GM, right. But when GM announces a new car is being built in Mexico, I heard nothing from the unions. What's up with that?"

Good question.

"Todays union are all gear to protecting themselves from their members."

Huh?

"Have you ever wonder how the Union Bosses got their money."

What money? What bosses? Are you trapped in 1972?

"Uion dues are used most of the time without the members knowledge."

Really? Gimme some links or other evidence. Unions have regulations they must follow regarding use of dues. For instance, the idea that NEA dues are donated to politicians or PACs is bullshit. The organization can ask for donations, but that's it. My dues do NOT go to such things. I can get information on where they go when I want it. Easily.

"And what about the ACLU and ACORN!!!"

What about them? Have you noticed that ACLU often defends conservative issues. _Civil liberties_--you know, what the country is founded on. "I may not agree with what a man says, but I shall defend to the death his right to say it." I would even defend your right to spew "facts" that are unsupported and based in ideology, rather than open interpretation of reality. : )

"(Union) dues are used most of the time without the members knowledge."

Absolute bald-faced lie.

corporate sales tax, cap and trade, compliance with these alone eats at profits, which they must have or investers, you people with 401k's will leave. so address the burden on employers first then bitch

corporate sales tax, cap and trade, compliance with these alone eats at profits, which they must have or investers, you people with 401k's will leave. so address the burden on employers first then bitch

So corporations shouldn't pay sales taxes? Hm. Cap and trade is BS, but not because it hurts corps' profits, but because it doesn't go far enough on forcing development of cleaner technologies.

Cap and trade is BS, but not because it hurts corps' profits, but because it doesn't go far enough on forcing development of cleaner technologies.
#104 | Posted by pragmatist

Obama may be seen as President "Half-Measure" one day.

This 50%/%50% thing with him almost seems pathological.

It really does not matter anymore what American trade unions do or even if there are going to be American trade unions.

The Peoples Republic of China began construction on the new passenger jet, the Comac C919. With a population of over a billion people, do you really still believe they could never produce a couple of aeronautical engineers? Suck it up, bitches.

Right on, Hag. Obama should have bigger balls. (Er. Something like that.) I did enjoy the assertiveness in the speech last week, but let's put action to that.

Then again, he's hardly a true leftie, despite what the critics maintain.

"he's hardly a true leftie"

Flag that one "True"

But Doc, you and I, we don't know. I mean, how would a leftie know a leftie? Don't you know, Obama is a socialist, er, Stalinist, er, Neo-Marxist, er, communist... er, community organizer! Yeah, that's it!