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Friday, September 11, 2009

Fouad Ajami: The road that led to 9/11 was never a defining concern of President Barack Obama. But he returned to 9/11 as he sought to explain and defend the war in Afghanistan in a speech to the Veterans of Foreign Wars in Phoenix, Ariz., on Aug. 17. "The insurgency in Afghanistan didn't just happen overnight and we won't defeat it overnight, but we must never forget: This is not a war of choice; it is a war of necessity. Those who attacked America on 9/11 are plotting to do so again. If left unchecked, the Taliban insurgency will mean an even larger safe haven from which al Qaeda could plot to kill more Americans."

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9/11/01

The day Cheney and Bush went into action. Fuck those that disagree with their actions. I never felt safer.

NOW - I wonder about the loyality of the boy king. He doesn't seem to have the moxy to fight the good fight.

minus the taliban and al qaeda - at least we know who our homegrown enemas are...

oops! i meant "enemies"! my terrible...

You know it makes one wonder if You truly remember the fallen on 9-11-01 when You bring politics into the thread. If You are truly remembering the victims of September 11 You would think a simple rememberance was in order instead of politisizing their deaths. Just a thought.

Larry

You must be kidding Larry-cranc and beachputz NOT politicize a thread?
It's all they've got.

You know Frank when I was growing up if You were to do what these folks have done on the memories of the dead You would have gotten the switch PDQ. No ands ifs or butts about THAT one. Your ass was grass and usually Mom was the lawnmower.

Larry

I suspect now the GOP will rekindle their peaceful values as they have their fiscal conservative values.

America is insane.

all of a sudden larry AND frank are thoughtful of the dead...

I am always respectful of the dead Nanc. ALWAYS

We cancelled our subscription to the Wall Street Journal today over this piece.

It ends with some food for thought. What do you guys think of this:

Eight years ago, we were visited by the furies of Arab lands. We were rudely awakened from a decade whose gurus and pundits had announced the end of ideology, of politics itself, and the triumph of the world-wide Web and the "electronic herd." We had discovered that on the other side of the world masterminds of terror, and preachers, and their foot-soldiers were telling of America the most sordid of tales. We had become, without knowing it, a party to a civil war in the Arab-Islamic world between the autocrats and their disaffected children, between those who wanted to live a normal life and warriors of the faith bent on imposing their will on that troubled arc of geography.

Our country answered that call, not always brilliantly, for we are fated to be strangers in that world and thus fated to improvise and make our way through unfamiliar alleyways. We met chameleons and hustlers of every shade and had to learn, in a hurry, incomprehensible atavisms and pathologies. We fared best when we trusted our sense of things. We certainly haven't been kept safe by the crowds in Paris and Berlin, or by those in Ankara and Cairo who feign desire for our friendship while they yearn for our undoing

I never felt safer.

Because you are a gullible fool. Go fuck yourself.

9-11 is nothing more than a big fucking power scam that we the public get to pay for.

"The day Cheney and Bush went into action. Fuck those that disagree with their actions. I never felt safer."

Yeah that war in Iraq really made you safer. What a complete dope. MOre likely though just another stubborn jerk who can't admit the truth even to himself about Bush and Cheney.
They lied us into a war planned before 9-11, get over your embarrassment for being fooled.

The author is right. The Iraq war drew a line in the sand for many Arab nations. But not the line the author thinks. The real line is simple: all nations without nukes are vulnerable, all nations with nukes are not. Lesson learned for Arab nations: Get nukes, get them quick, get them in secret. Only then can you be safe.

SYCHOPHANT is exactly right. Iran wants nukes but not to attack Israel like they try to make you believe, nukes are only valuable as a deterrent. ONce you use one game over.

"We cancelled our subscription to the Wall Street Journal today over this piece."

Why? Because the writer explores the justification for our current war on the anniversary of said justification? What exactly offends you so much about this piece?

Danni, we have more nukes and we know how to use them. Just ask the Japanese.

ONce you use one game over.

#16 | Posted by danni

Care to explain why?

Care to explain why?

#19 | Posted by Sniper at 2009-09-11 01:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

The Theory of MAD: Mutual Assured Destruction. If one country launches a nuke, then others will too and everyone will die as a result.

beachbuzz,

You may have convinced yourself that you are safer as a result of Bush and Cheney's illegal unilateral invasion of Iraq and their Soviet-style practice of illegal indefinite detentions and torture - but it is a position that can, at most be weakly defended, if at all.

Had Bush and Cheney actually carried out their promises after 9/11, they would have committed the entire U.S. military resources when they had Osama bin Laden and his senior al-Qaeda advisors and fighters in the caves of Tora Bora at the end of 2001 instead of losing interest and merely using Afghanistan and al-Qaeda as a pretext for invading Saddam Hussein. There are several reasons that are most likely responsible for al-Qaeda having not attacked the United States again since 9/11 and none of them is due to any positive actions taken by the Bush administration.

1) According to bin Laden's own fatwas, he attack was primarily to coerce the U.S. into removing American troops from the Islamic 'holy' soil of Saudi Arabia. Bush very quietly bowed to Osama's demand and withdrew all American troops from Saudi Arabia just before his Mission Accomplished debacle.

Osama 1, Bush/Cheney 0

2) In an interview with London's Al Quds Al Aribi some time before 9/11, bin Laden stated that his twin goals in attacking the United States were to force Bush to withdraw American troops from Saudi Arabia (he succeeded - see above) and to provoke the U.S. into getting engaged in an indefinite war in the Muslim world where the mujahideen could do to the U.S. what they had done to the Russians - tie up our forces for years, bleed our treasury, turn our troops into a shooting and bombing gallery, and use U.S. military presence in the Muslim world as a recruiting poster. In all of these, he was successful.

Osama 2, Bush/Cheney 0

3) It was much to the advantage of the jihadis to have America send our young troops over to their own home territory to be killed than for the terrorists to have to breach our security again to kill them here in America. As far as they are concerned, killing an American in Afghanistan or Iraq is no different than killing an American in the World Trade Center or the Pentagon. Since the number of American deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq are approximately 5,089 as opposed to 2,993 in the 9/11 attacks. That means that since 9/11, Muslim jihadis have killed more than 2,000 more Americans than they did in 9/11 - an increase of almost 60%.

So, the total Americans killed by Islamic terrorists since the Bush administration failed to detect, deter, or avenge 9/11 is now 8,082, a rather staggering number for a President who claims to have kept Americans safe during his administration.

Osama 3, Bush/Cheney 0

4) The Bush administration's response to 9/11, by staging an inadequate and short-lived attack on Afghanistan as a pretext to invade Iraq (which had no involvement in 9/11 and had no weapons of mass destruction that threatened us) resulted in Osama bin-Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and al-Qaeda itself to flourish in the intervening years, recruiting heavily, and building up a world-wide distributed organization even larger and more powerful than it was in 2001.

Osama 4, Bush/Cheney 0

cont...

beachbuzz,

You may have convinced yourself that you are safer as a result of Bush and Cheney's illegal unilateral invasion of Iraq and their Soviet-style practice of illegal indefinite detentions and torture - but it is a position that can, at most be weakly defended, if at all.

Had Bush and Cheney actually carried out their promises after 9/11, they would have committed the entire U.S. military resources when they had Osama bin Laden and his senior al-Qaeda advisors and fighters in the caves of Tora Bora at the end of 2001 instead of losing interest and merely using Afghanistan and al-Qaeda as a pretext for invading Saddam Hussein. There are several reasons that are most likely responsible for al-Qaeda having not attacked the United States again since 9/11 and none of them is due to any positive actions taken by the Bush administration.

1) According to bin Laden's own fatwas, he attack was primarily to coerce the U.S. into removing American troops from the Islamic 'holy' soil of Saudi Arabia. Bush very quietly bowed to Osama's demand and withdrew all American troops from Saudi Arabia just before his Mission Accomplished debacle.

Terrorists 1, Bush/Cheney 0

2) In an interview with London's Al Quds Al Aribi some time before 9/11, bin Laden stated that his twin goals in attacking the United States were to force Bush to withdraw American troops from Saudi Arabia (he succeeded - see above) and to provoke the U.S. into getting engaged in an indefinite war in the Muslim world where the mujahideen could do to the U.S. what they had done to the Russians - tie up our forces for years, bleed our treasury, turn our troops into a shooting and bombing gallery, and use U.S. military presence in the Muslim world as a recruiting poster. In all of these, he was successful.

Terrorists 2, Bush/Cheney 0

3) It was much to the advantage of the jihadis to have America send our young troops over to their own home territory to be killed than for the terrorists to have to breach our security again to kill them here in America. As far as they are concerned, killing an American in Afghanistan or Iraq is no different than killing an American in the World Trade Center or the Pentagon. Since the number of American deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq are approximately 5,089 as opposed to 2,993 in the 9/11 attacks. That means that since 9/11, Muslim jihadis have killed more than 2,000 more Americans than they did in 9/11 - an increase of almost 60%.

So, the total Americans killed by Islamic terrorists since the Bush administration failed to detect, deter, or avenge 9/11 is now 8,082, a rather staggering number for a President who claims to have kept Americans safe during his administration.

Terrorists 3, Bush/Cheney 0

4) The Bush administration's response to 9/11, by staging an inadequate and short-lived attack on Afghanistan as a pretext to invade Iraq (which had no involvement in 9/11 and had no weapons of mass destruction that threatened us) resulted in Osama bin-Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and al-Qaeda itself to flourish in the intervening years, recruiting heavily, and building up a world-wide distributed organization even larger and more powerful than it was in 2001.

Terrorists 4, Bush/Cheney 0

5) Had we gone in with full forces in 2001 and destroyed bin Laden and al Qaeda when we had them trapped in the caves of Tora Bora, our lesson to the surviving terrorist organizations is that attacking America and Americans inevitably brings swift and sure retaliation, not just against the young, brainwashed 'martyrs,' but against the entire leadership of the organization. This would have been the most powerful discouragement of future attacks we could have delivered.

Terrorists 5 Bush/Cheney 0

cont...

..cont

5) Had we gone in with full forces in 2001 and destroyed bin Laden and al Qaeda when we had them trapped in the caves of Tora Bora, our lesson to the surviving terrorist organizations is that attacking America and Americans inevitably brings swift and sure retaliation, not just against the young, brainwashed 'martyrs,' but against the entire leadership of the organization. This would have been the most powerful discouragement of future attacks we could have delivered.

6) By failing to catch and destroy Osama and his organization for almost 8 years now, we delivered the opposite message to world-wide terrorist organizations, to wit: "You CAN attack Americans and get away with it." Bush/Cheney squandered the only true deterrent to future attacks we had.

Terrorists 6, Bush/Cheney 0

7) By invading Iraq with Shock & Awe, Bush's intent was to destroy the people of Iraq's morale, cow (terrorize) the government into a quick surrender, and demonstrate to the world that nobody can stand up to massive and highly technological American military power.

The fact that Iraq is still unstable, that Americans are still fighting there over 6 years later, and are still fighting in Afghanistan in an escalating war almost 8 years later has taught the rest of the world how small groups of irregular guerillas, armed only with handweapons and home-made bombs, could fight American military power to (at least) a standstill.

Terrorists 7, Bush/Cheney 0

8) Since 9/11, Islamic terrorist attacks have skyrocketed around the world, going up every single year. Despite all of our supposedly effective "enhanced interrogation," we totally failed to uncover the plots to bomb the London trains and buses in 2005, the Madrid trains in 2004, the Bali nightclub bombing in 2002, the Casablanca attacks in 2004, the Delhi bombings in 2005, the Amman Jordanian bombings in 2005, The Sharm el-Sheikh Egypt bombings in 2005, the Mumbai India bombings in July and November of 2008, and many more. It was the British who uncovered the recent plans to bomb a number of airliners using liquid explosives (and the intelligence gathering and number and severity of the prosecutions were tragically compromized when Bush/Cheney disobeyed British wishes and, unbeknownst to the Brits, kidnapped a contact of the plotters in Pakistan, forcing the Brits to have to act too early and lose considerable intelligence (not to mention having to let some of the plotters go because the full evidence had not yet been obtained).

Terrorists 8 Bush/Cheney 0

9) In fact, outside of some incompetent clowns, most of whom were convinced to join bomb plots by FBI and Homeland Security agents provocateur, the Bush/Cheney administration has NO real accomplishments against terrorism in their 8 years since 9/11. (And, no, killing Zarqawi in Iraq was not a victory as he was never anything more than a strawman and stalking horse for the real al-Qaeda, safely ensconced in Pakistan, taking credit for his terror raids).

Terrorists 9 Bush/Cheney 0

If Bush/Cheney had been competent and destroyed bin Laden and al-Qaeda immediately after 9/11, there would have been NO war against terror, and we would not STILL be sitting on pins and needles wondering whether al-Qaeda is plotting a new attack. This is not Obama's fault or anybody else's besides Bush/Cheney.

WOW BLUESUN WOW Kuddos.

Larry

Blue, good points all. Now, step away from the keyboard before you get carpal tunnel.

"The day Cheney and Bush went into action. Fuck those that disagree with their actions. I never felt safer."

Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

It is the philosophy of the Party of Nope.

holy shit Blusun! Signed sealed and delivered!

Nicely done... but as our religulous cohorts would say...

Pearls before swine. They won't even read it. Too many big words and the Truth hurts too much (apologies to TH!).

the security state got a great boost from this idiocy. A big fucking power play that the reichwing likes while complaining about reichts.

Blusun's posts are excellent and correct. But I propose that the attacks on Iraq and Afghanistan were not aimed at getting rid of Bin Laden; they were aimed at laying the groundwork for a later attack on Israel's mortal enemy, Iran.

The heat on Iran has not subsided. That would explain why the continued occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan. Look on a map. They border both sides of Iran. Netanyahu was in Russia recently to convince them not to support Iran. It hard to imagine he got refused.

"Care to explain why?"

If Iran got a bomb and used it on Israel, Iran would be leveled within the hour and all the Mullahs know it.
Same thing with Kim Jung Il.
The most dangerous thing about nukes is that they could fall into the hands of terrorists who don't care.

Correction: It's not hard to imagine he got refused.

Allegedly 68,000 more troops are needed to prevent a disaster in Afghanistan!
Another ploy by the warmongers or is the
"Empire Killer" about to claim another victim?

It would never occur to the keeprs of the keys that maybe thye should just leave other people alone and by doing so we wouldn't be attacked.

Osama bin Laden made this point clearly when he said, "There is a reason why we do not attack Sweden". This once troublemaking country quit launching viking attacks centuries ago and everybody loves them now.

When Equador kicked out our Military bases recently we negotiated more of the same in Columbia. Wherever the USA treads, violence and drug running increases exponentially.

They don't care. All they care about is more power. So if america has to be nuked so that they can have more then so be it. They don't give a shit.

bitchbutt

There really no such thing as a "good war".

good god!

...

There IS really no such thing as a "good war".

sheese


There really no such thing as a "good war".

I disagree. The good wars include:
-The American Revolution
-World War II
-Star Wars (original trilogy, not the prequel crap)

The Theory of MAD: Mutual Assured Destruction. If one country launches a nuke, then others will too and everyone will die as a result.

#20 | Posted by kanrei

Thanks dan. Most to the smaller countries don't have enough nuks to do that. How would India launching against Pakastan involve the rest of the world?

I understood the theory with the US and the USSR but that is history I hope.

If Iran got a bomb and used it on Israel, Iran would be leveled within the hour and all the Mullahs know it.
Same thing with Kim Jung Il.
The most dangerous thing about nukes is that they could fall into the hands of terrorists who don't care.

#30 | Posted by danni

Doesn't even look like kan's post.

I disagree. The good wars include:
-The American Revolution
-World War II
-Star Wars (original trilogy, not the prequel crap)

#37 | Posted by TylerDurden

News flash. star wars was just a movie.

The most dangerous thing about nukes is that they could fall into the hands of terrorists who don't care.

...or Americans who do? I'm confused here. I always thought the most dangerous thing about nukes was when someone set one off. I always wonder if we would have still ended the war in the Pacific if we had dropped one on an uninhabited island in Japan instead, before wiping two cities filled with civilians off the map. I suspect it was a tactical decision. We wanted to collect casualty data too.

How would India launching against Pakastan involve the rest of the world?


Have you ever heard of nuclear fallout?

to echo bluesons posts

another stated goal of OBL was the bankrupting of the US.

How you think he is doing on that score?

I disagree. The good wars include:
-The American Revolution
-World War II
-Star Wars (original trilogy, not the prequel crap)
#37 | Posted by TylerDurden

News flash. star wars was just a movie.
#40 | Posted by Sniper

Hey, Snoops, good luck on your new-found career as a fact checker.

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