So here is the big bad speech--

It is about encouragment and about setting goals.

They dropped the 'assignment' afterwards and this speech is on par with past POTUS speeches to students.

"They dropped the 'assignment' afterwards"

There never was a required assignment. There were suggested classroom activities. (They're called "lesson plans" and they're suggestions and entirely voluntary.) And there still are, Murky. Please, if the kiddiwinks can do their homework the least you can do it do yours, too.

Here is the speech from GHW Bush

#2 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Do you understand the quote around the word 'assignment'?

"Do you understand the quote around the word 'assignment'?"

Do you understand the term "there still are"?

Our children will all be Communists when they get home from school tomorrow!!!! Keep your children at home, under their beds tomorrow!!! Don't let them out until Glenn Beck comes on to deprogram them tomorrow.

"It is about encouragment and about setting goals."

Murphy is so disappointed.
Don't worry Murphy, your brain will decipher the true meaning and clue you in tomorrow at 5:00 on Fox.

I wished I were young enough to see this presentation just to piss off the ones who have a problem with it. Bwahahahahaha

Larry

I fully expect to see the kiddiwinks marching in lockstep off their buses, wearing brown-shirt uniforms, alternately singing the "Horst Wessel" and the Soviet national anthem, brandishing machetes, chanting "Death to The Man - You be The Man," spray painting "Satan Lives" on church walls, and refusing to eat their vegetables at dinner after turning their parents in for a trip to a Reeducation Center.

The hysteria over this has been nothing short of hysterically funny and extremely telling when it comes to assessing parental ignorance and the degree to which sheeple can be manipulated by political goons.

"It is about encouragment and about setting goals."

Quelle sooprise, Murky.
That's what it was going to be about all along.
Jeezus, get educated, will you?

There are clearly a whole lot of parents who should not be parents, and a whole lot of children with less than perfect parents.

Children should love and be good and kind to their parents, but not follow them blindly. They need role models but they don't have to be their parents.

"Children should love and be good and kind to their parents, but not follow them blindly. They need role models but they don't have to be their parents.'

Well said.

They are not us and needn't be. Hopefully they find a way and devote themselves to those things they consider worthwhile.

Most kids end up O.K. in spite of their Parents.....
NOT "because of".

I wished I were young enough to see this presentation just to piss off the ones who have a problem with it. Bwahahahahaha

I figure you'd have the same reaction the kindygartners will have.

Star blankly at the talking man on the screen and wonder what the hell he's talking about. Then you'd pee your pants, and it would be nap time.

You can always look forward to juice and cookies.

#7 | Posted by danni

You and Doc are pretty dense.

I was posting days ago that the people getting upset about the speech were making too much of it.

Prior POTUS had done the same thing.

The part that I guess was making folks upset was the 'assignment' afterwards.

And the WH along with the DoE dropped that portion of the crap that was upsetting people.

I posted the speech and as you can see and compare with theother speeches it is about encouragment and setting goals.

pffft!

This is a perfectly good speech that is about encouraging children to work hard in school, take responsibility for their education no matter the circumstances, and better themselves to better the nation. It's so non-partisan a Republican president could have delivered it without changing a word.

I wonder how many critics will feel sheepish about how they spread so much paranoia about this speech before seeing it.

That is waaaaay too much to read, I'll wait for the movie to come ou.

Is there an ebonics version of this speech somewhere?

the assignment was to write a letter on how to help obama and to read his books,nothing wrong with the speech the rest was obama bullshit that's why it was removed.

"I wonder how many critics will feel sheepish about how they spread so much paranoia about this speech before seeing it."

Mark my words, they'll be pounding their chests they made the President back down. You know the parlor tricks: every choice proves they were right.

Mark my words, they'll be pounding their chests they made the President back down. You know the parlor tricks: every choice proves they were right.

#20 | Posted by Danforth

Mark my words, some radical liberal will post here on the DR a blog about the White House backing down again.

I'm wondering why Murphy got bashed for his (her?) nice post #1. Really, I don't remember arguing with this poster in the other threads that brought up this topic.

That said, are the lesson plans really gone? That would be odd. But come on, who cares? The parental questions, when concerned with any particular material, should always be

1. Why are you using this resource/material?

2. How does it connect to the curriculum, school mission, etc.? (In other words, what's its value?)

3. What exactly will you be doing with it? (Assignments, activities, assessments.)

4. Is there an alternate assignment/resource that will get my student to the same outcomes?

Depending on the material and the context, these might be questions for the administration or for the teacher. I present a good deal of stuff that some person out there could find objectionable, and I'm ready in every instance to explain the purpose. I don't have a ready alternate (#4) for every assignment or resource, however. I'm not sure I want to, or need to, but it's probably a good policy.

Check out the Rtard getting all weepy because of Obama's speech.

Because it's a kneejerk liberal reaction to bash Murphy on this blog, that's all.

Really? Only Murphy? : )

I just haven't seen that before. Not so suddenly. Makes me a little sad. *sniff*

"The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students."

reaction to obamas or bush speech to kids?

the House Majority leader at the time, Dick Gephardt (D-Mo.)

Looks like Obama is laying the groundwork for his youth corps.

That's awesome Ray. Too bad I am too old cause I would join just to spite You lmao

THIS is what the uproar was about????

Good grief!

Just goes to prove that once again people will shoot off their mouths before their brains are loaded.

The right wing are left with egg on their faces ... again

Sitdown and Doc:

I'm going to disagree with your comments just a bit.

I think that parents owe it to their kids to be the best role models they can be. I think it's part of our responsibility. And I would hope that my children find me to be a good role model.

Parents aren't without making errors, but at least their kids can watch them overcome difficulties, learning from those experiences and rise up successful. All life lessons our children need to learn anyway.

Looks like you are shooting your mouth off Lisa, tell us what do you know about Husseins work with children vis vi the Annenberg Challenge?

You are implying your brain is loaded with facts about about Hussein only job, a job that directly related to 'child education'.

Tell us about your vast reservoir of knowledge on Husseins work with.

Why couldn't he just read "My Pet Goat 2; The Bush Years" to the kids?

Billy Ayers.

That's awesome Ray. Too bad I am too old cause I would join just to spite You lmao

#29 | Posted by LarryMohr

Being a Christian is good enough. :)

Gotchamedia

You're a mind reader lol

Of course, they'd want to make sure the book was right side up, rather than upside down - as Bush was holding "My Pet Goat".

"upside down - as Bush was holding "My Pet Goat""

That was a photoshopped version. Bush was holding MPG correctly...even in the seven minutes after being told the country was under attack.

Rex:

I have to tell you that your insistance on using Obama's middle name, implying a connection with Sadam is sad and intellectually dishonest. And you would be pitching a fit if it was a republican being refered to in that manner.

Furthermore, I find it childish.

Secondly, there is nothing wrong with that speech that you and others have been in such a fit of anger about.

All this boils down to is if there is an R or a D after the name of the person who gave that speech, for you to determine if it was an acceptable speech for children.

Those who are not blinded by partisanship see that speech for what it is, encouraging children, teaching them personal responsibility.

Shame on Obama!!! Bad, Bad Obama! LOL

Rex...you are just mad because I had the nerve to say something about your comments the other day so now I suppose every post I write, you'll come charging.

I disagreed with you, as I do now and now I receive the wrath of Rex.

I really don't find that game neccessary but if you do...have at it.

The Republican Right Wingers have Rhode Island Red and Bard Rock Egg Bukkake upon their little faces once again. You gotta just LOVE that. heh heh heh He said Egg

Larry

Hussein learned a lot from his mentor and handler on child education, Billy Ayers has a second career after being a radical communist terrorist, which is 'working' with young minds.

Books by Ayers;

1. TEACHING TOWARD FREEDOM: MORAL COMMITMENT AND ETHICAL ACTION IN THE CLASSROOM
2. TO TEACH: THE JOURNEY OF A TEACHER, 2ND EDITION
3. TEACHING THE PERSONAL AND THE POLITICAL: ESSAYS ON HOPE AND JUSTICE
4. ON THE SIDE OF THE CHILD: SUMMERHILL REVISITED
5. FUGITIVE DAYS: A MEMOIR
6. TO BECOME A TEACHER: MAKING A DIFFERENCE IN CHILDREN'S LIVES
7. A KIND AND JUST PARENT: THE CHILDREN OF JUVENILE COURT
8. TEACHING FOR SOCIAL JUSTICE: A DEMOCRACY AND EDUCATION READER
9. CITY KIDS, CITY TEACHERS: REPORTS FROM THE FRONT ROW
10. ZERO TOLERANCE: RESISTING THE DRIVE FOR PUNISHMENT IN OUR SCHOOLS
11. A SIMPLE JUSTICE: THE CHALLENGE OF SMALL SCHOOLS
12. A LIGHT IN DARK TIMES: MAXINE GREENE AND THE UNFINISHED CONVERSATION
13. THE GOOD PRESCHOOL TEACHER

oh yea, and he also wrote,

Prairie Fire, the Weather Underground communist/terrorist manifesto for infiltrating and taking power in the United States.

Hussein learned his lessons well......

Rex, what exactly is wrong with this particular speech?

Could you point something out??

The right doesn't have egg on their face. People never thought the speech itselft would be sinister. It was the lesson plans they were worried about.

I read the speech and on the surface it seems harmless. If they had never done anything with lesson planes about how kids were supposed to help the president, no one would have made a big deal about the speech.

This is what you ReFlubLickCons voted for, TWICE, so your judgment needs serious adjudgestment before you continue to criticize a Harvard Cum Laude Masters and Doctor in Political Science with proven America-growing executive experience at State, Senate and Presidential levels !!

It sure seems that if there was no smoke, by God the republicans were going to blow some up peoples behinds about this speech in an attempt to discredit Obama.

If you want to accomplish that, there were far better areas to do that, other than this harmless speech to children.

You said you were 'loaded' with information on Husseins past work with children Lisa, I am still waiting for you to tell us about his work with the Annenberg Challenge.

It's important to know about his work with 'children' in Chicago, he should be an expert on child education with the years he and Ayers spent together spending millions of dollars.

I think it's great that Hussein is giving a speech to school children, I hope it forces the release of the hidden Annenberg papers.

But I don't have to tell you about that, you already know it.

The speech, in the end, was innocuous non-partisan encouragement for the children of this country to succeed in life for the betterment of this nation and themselves. Once again, as in the healthcare debate, fear and obfuscation is the only weapon the right possess.

Too bad so many Americans don't possess the character and the confidence to think for themselves. Too bad more Americans can't see beyong the real threat of the corporate lies that fill our heads with these fears making us willing participants in, and maliable to, this real indoctrination that tears us apart as a nation and destroys the very foundation of the freedom in America that each and every soldier that has ever walked a battle field sacrificed for...

"Resolve" is a word that comes to mind. "Dignity" is another one. America needs the "resolve" to take this country back from the corporate cartells that oppress her. As-well-as the "dignity" within every American to KNOW that she deserves, and desperately needs to be saved...

Without these, our nation is as good as lost...

The right doesn't have egg on their face. People never thought the speech itselft would be sinister. It was the lesson plans they were worried about.

If all people cared about was the lesson plans, then why were there still calls to boycott the speech and keep it out of schools after the plans were modified?

A lot of the Republican criticism of this speech was fed by claims the speech itself would be an effort to indoctrinate kids.

Rex, I said no such thing honey!

I said people shot off their mouths before their brains were loaded in reference to those who were angry about this speech before they apparently read or listened to it, getting all fired up because it was a BAD thing Obama did.

Please refrain from putting words in my mouth or twisting around what I had said.

'If you want to accomplish that, there were far better areas to do that, other than this harmless speech to children. '

#46 | Posted by Lisa at 2009-09-07 04:27 PM
***"If you want to accomplish that, there were far better areas to do that, other than this harmless speech to children"

Yes, it is called "desperation". I sure hope that Americans get wise to this "scream about everything, and pray for something stick" partisanship from the right. It's gotten REALLY absurd...

If the president is going to give a speech to school children, I think we should have a look at his past work in this area.

I would think Hussein would be 'proud' and 'touting' the great 'success' he had in child education, I mean it was one of his two jobs he had before becoming the most powerful man in the world.

Don't you want to know about Husseins work with children?

I think he should be proud of his effort and tell us all about the results.

'A lot of the Republican criticism of this speech was fed by claims the speech itself would be an effort to indoctrinate kids.'

Rex forget about Ayers. It is ancient history. He is reformed. He is an honorable man now.

Rogers, don't you want to know about the Presidents work with school children?

I mean, it was his job for years.

I would think this would be a proud and fine moment for the president and he should be showcasing the great work he did in this area.

#53

You want to look at his past rather than see the speech he made in the PRESENT??

Ok...have fun.

As innocuous as Obama's speech appears to be, it's not harmless. Considering that kids get their government indoctrination in school, Obama gives it a paternalist face.

American's aren't cynical enough about their government. It's not your friend and protector. It's an institution with a monopoly over violence and coercion that attracts people addicted to violence and coercion. The Janus face you see is kind and friendly. The face you don't see is ruthless and controlling.

Communist China was famous for having pictures of Mao-tse-tung everywhere. That's the game.

Oh for goodness sake Ray.

I suppose everyone who encourages kids to do their best and wants them to take responsibility for their future, have a hidden agenda for doing so.

That was it? Any school principle in this country could have concluded the morning announcements with that speech.

Hussein worked for 7 years, between 1995 and 2002, on 'child education' with the Annenberg Challenge, and no one wants to see the great accomplishments that he achieved in that position?

Wow, I would think this would be a crowning moment in the life of President Hussein.

I think we should have an entire week of news devoted to viewing the work of the Annenberg Challenge and it's great accomplishments in the area of child education in Chicago.

You with me on this Rogers and Lisa?

Blow it out yer shorts, Rex.

Maybe you'd get some relief.

Rex, I don't think anybody cares what he did back then. I don't. I care what he does today. Ancient history is to be forgotten.

Chicago Annenberg Challenge

Beginnings

The three co-authors of Chicago's winning Annenberg Challenge $49.2 million grant proposal, 1995, were:[17][18]

1. William Ayers, associate professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago; co-director of the Small Schools Workshop; co-director of the Chicago Forum for School Changean affiliate of the Coalition of Essential Schools;[19] chairman of the Alliance for Better Chicago Schools (ABCs) coalition;[20][21] former Chicago assistant deputy mayor for education (19891990);[21] brother of John Ayers, executive director (19942004) of Leadership for Quality Education (an affiliate of the Civic Committee of the Commercial Club of Chicago) and former associate director (19871994) of the Civic Committee of the Commercial Club of Chicago; son of Thomas Ayers, former president (19641980), chairman and CEO (19731980) of Commonwealth Edison and former vice president (1980) of the Chicago School Board

2. Anne Hallett, executive director and founder of the Cross-City Campaign for Urban School Reform; former executive director of the Wieboldt Foundation (19861993); former executive director of the Citizens Education Center in Seattle (19831986); former executive director and founder of the Chicago Panel on School Policy (19821983); former chair, founder, and chief lobbyist for Citizens for Fair School Funding in Seattle (19761982)[20][22][23][24][25]
[26]

3. Warren Chapman, senior program officer for education at the Joyce Foundation; former state coordinator at the Illinois State Board of Education for the Illinois Alliance of Essential Schoolsa regional center of the Coalition of Essential Schools (19861992)[27][28]

Board of Directors

The founding Board of Directors of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge as announced in 1995 were:[38][39]

1. Patricia Albjerg Graham

2. Barack Obama, civil rights attorney at Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland; lecturer at the University of Chicago Law School; member of the board of directors of the Joyce Foundation and the Woods Fund of Chicago; winner, Crain's Chicago Business 40 Under 40 award, 1993; former president of the Harvard Law Review (19901991); former executive director of the Developing Communities Project (June 1985May 1988); current President of the United States[24][40][41][42]

3. Stanley O. Ikenberry, president of the University of Illinois (19791995); member of the Civic Committee of the Commercial Club of Chicago (19831995); former professor of education (19651971) and senior vice president (19711979) of Pennsylvania State University
4. Arnold R. Weber, president of the Civic Committee of the Commercial Club of Chicago (19951999); member of the board of directors of the Arie and Ida Crown Memorial and the Tribune Company; former president of Northwestern University (19851994) and the University of Colorado (19801985); professor of labor economics and friend and colleague of George P. Shultz at MIT, the University of Chicago, and in the Nixon administration[43]
5. Raymond G. Romero, vice president and general counsel of Ameritech; Chicago School Finance Authority board member (appointed in 1992 by Governor Jim Edgar); candidate in the 1996 Democratic primary for the 5th Congressional District of Illinois; winner, Crain's Chicago Business 40 Under 40 award, 1991; former Illinois Commerce Commission commissioner (appointed in 1985 by Governor Jim Thompson); former civil rights attorney as Midwest regional director of MALDEF where he was lead counsel for Hispanic plaintiffs in the 1985 Chicago ward remap[42][44]
6. Wanda White, executive director of the Community Workshop on Economic Development; former policy director of the Women's Self-Employment Project; former deputy commissioner of economic development under Chicago Mayors Washington, Sawyer and Daley
7. Susan M. Crown, president of the Arie and Ida Crown Memorial; vice president of Henry Crown & Company; daughter of Lester Crown[39][45]

The final Board of Directors of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge in 2001 were:[46]

1. Patricia Albjerg Graham

2. Barack Obama

3. Edward S. Bottum, managing director of Chase Franklin Corp.; former president and vice chairman of Continental Illinois Bank[47]
4. Connie C. Evans, founder and president of the Women's Self-Employment Project
5. Susan Blankenbaker Noyes, former labor attorney at Sidley & Austin; daughter of Republican former Indiana state senator Virginia Murphy Blankenbaker; goddaughter of Patricia Albjerg Graham[48]
6. Scott C. Smith, president, CEO and publisher of the Chicago Tribune; former president, CEO and publisher of the South Florida Sun-Sentinel of Fort Lauderdale; former chairman of the South Florida Annenberg Challenge
7. Nancy S. Searle, consultant to the Searle Funds at the Chicago Community Trust
8. Victoria J. Chou, dean of the College of Education at the University of Illinois at Chicago
9. John W. McCarter, Jr., president and CEO of the Field Museum
10. James Reynolds, Jr., co-founder, chairman and CEO of Loop Capital Services

You're not getting it, Lisa. Everything politicians do has a hidden agenda. That was my point about the Janus face.

It's another government encroachment. That's a parent's responsibility to motivate their children. For that reason, I encourage my daughter to supplement at home what they should be getting in school. I know from my experience, it took me decades to undo the programming I got in school.

Government wants your kids. They get it through early indoctrination.

Rex, I love ya but first of all, I don't want try and have an adult, rational conversation with anyone who refers to an American with the implication that they have ties to Sadam.

There wouldn't be rational, meaningful conversation when one starts off that way.

In addition, you would rather discuss something that ended 4 years ago instead of addressing the speech Obama gave to students in the present...why?

"I read the speech and on the surface it seems harmless. If they had never done anything with lesson planes about how kids were supposed to help the president, no one would have made a big deal about the speech."

Did y'all make a deal about it when GHWB asked the same exact question?

And by the by, I heard _some_ people criticize the lesson plans, but a whole lot of you right here whined about Obama talking to the kids _at all_, some even analogizing to a child molester. Don't deny it, just as you don't want us to deny all the facts you uncover.

The Challenge is:

* Financial. It should leverage substantial additional funds from public and private sources for school reform.

* Political. It should promote widespread public support for resolute and sustained investment in the lives and learning of America's children. There must be a fresh unity in American politics on the need to protect and nurture all our children. They are our future and deserve our care and investment in them.

* Moral. It should provoke the American conscience to attend to its youngest and most fragile citizens. A decent and generous democracy is obligated both to educate students well and to depend on the educated citizenry.

'He was just a guy in my neighborhood.'

Barack Hussein Obama on Bill Ayers

Ray:

I find nothing wrong with the president giving a speech like that to our children. There are presidents who brought politics into their speeches to children, trying to influence them. There was no such thing in Obama's speech.

If that were the case here, then I would strongly object to it.

But it isn't.

Rex quit hijacking this thread. Ayers was a bad guy 40 years ago, Nobody gives a shit now. GWB was friends with Bin Laden's family. You didn't say shit about that.

And can someone remind me--wasn't there an influential Republican on that board, too? So by Zeit's logic, Obama should have some real solid Republicanism in him, too. Whew. I feel better now.

And Zulu--with your NEA Afternoon Special crack, were you trying to imply that the NEA is in cahoots with the DoE and the Obama admin? Fuckin' funny. We have been at odds with Obama for a few years and with Arne Duncan for longer. They listen, as civilized people should, but they are for some things that are anathema to the NEA party line. I'm guessing you also were bashing teachers there. Anyone who wants to bash teachers and the public schools should do some fucking research, not just accept what they hear and what they want to hear. (Like a certain Texan library user who talks about holistic grading when that's the last thing schools and accreditation organizations want in this country these days.)

#51 | Posted by zulu at 2009-09-07 04:35 PM
***"I wasn't worried about the speech. It was the NEA Afternoon Special that was out of line - Again, if it weren't for the Glenn Becks the 'what does President Obama want me to do?' homework assignment would have went unnoticed and unchallenged."

Yeah these "indoctrinating homework assignments":

'He wasn't someone I exchanged ideas with on a regular basis.'

Barack Husein Obama on Billy Ayers

RCADE why don't you add in an ignore users option?

Four years? FOUR years?!? It's extremely rare for any educational improvement plan (hell, any systemic reform in any industry) to be fully implemented in four years, let alone to show improvement? *sigh*

And Zeit (why does everyone call him Rex?), do you have huge cut-and-paste files now? I think this is the fourth thread I've seen this stuff on. Though at least this time you finally made an effort to show why you're posting it.

#54 | Posted by zulu at 2009-09-07 04:37 PM
***"Yes. Attempted indoctrination of the young is sick. Are you defending it or ignoring it?"

Bush Beds with Bin Ladens -> New evidence of illegitimate Bush/Bin Laden bastard daughter

#73 | Posted by Lisa

What can I say. I tried to explain.

This is a celebration of Husseins great work in the area of child education.

I think we should all write a letter to the President thanking him for his 7 years of work on the Annenberg challenge, time spent improving the 'curriculum of school children in Chicago'.

I propose a full week of study on the accomplishments of Chairman Ayers and Board member Obama.

Rex:

Have you ever dealt with education budgets?

How about at the government level where it is determined how much state budget was going to schools?

Do you realize how long it takes to improve ANYTHING with shrinking budgets in any area...if at all?

I'd like to see a link that PROVES...not just speculation or heresay, that the money went to ACORN projects rather than the schools. Got any financial records handy?

LOL

Still choose to ignore the speech Obama gave, Rex and bring something to the table to show where it was wrong?

This whole thing is ridiculous, Rex.

The apostle Paul used to kill Christians. He was a changed man.

You don't acknowledge that people can be different than they were 4 years ago??

Headline should read.

Revised Obama speech to kids.

I'm going back to crotcheting a blanket for our bed. I'm catching all kinds of crap because it's taking me two years to finish it....lol.

I'll check back later Rex.

But at the end of the day, we can have the most dedicated teachers, the most supportive parents, and the best schools in the world and none of it will matter unless all of you fulfill your responsibilities. Unless you show up to those schools; pay attention to those teachers; listen to your parents, grandparents and other adults; and put in the hard work it takes to succeed.

Damn him! How can he say such things to our...wait a minute...

That is a great question Lisa, great question.

You should spend a few minutes gaining knowledge on the situation by googling up the information that you are seeking.

I think the President Ayers would agree that the search for knowledge is a noble cause.

Looks like Obama is laying the groundwork for his youth corps.

#27 | Posted by Ray at 2009-09-07 03:50 PM

No doubt. What color do you think their uniforms will be?

will obama be reading my pet goat to the kiddies?

#83 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-09-07 05:14 PM

And yet, more absurd and pety desperation from the right. This one bad guy, crossed the street when Obama was... His middle name is... He wasn't born in...

Since our mark is the rights' baby bush, where were we at nine months into the Bush administration???

That's right, after six gruelling vacations he allowed the worst terrorist attack in history to be carried out on US soil by midevil Religious zealots from a cave half-way around the world...

Obama is doing fine when put into a realistic perspective...

will obama be reading my pet goat to the kiddies?

#91 | Posted by truthhurts

I'm thinking Prairie Fire is more befitting the occasion.

so those kids that were forced to skip the speech will have a good or bad impression of their parents when they talk to those that heard the speech, as they will on the next day

it seems that hating Obama makes some people irrational!

#81 | Posted by gunner at 2009-09-07 05:12 PM

New???

I've been bitching about this for 6 years now...

What color do you think their [youth corps] uniforms will be?

Red, not doubt. There's a rumor that he is having his little red book published soon. Every child gets one to take home.

"Revised Obama speech to kids. "

Same exact speech.

It was a nice speech for the children and yoots of America. I would love to see what it read like BEFORE the uproar.

"It was a nice speech for the children and yoots of America. I would love to see what it read like BEFORE the uproar.
#98 | Posted by Beachbuzz at 2009-09-07 05:38 PM"

Why don't you tell us what 'what it read like BEFORE the uproar' or were you objecting to something that you knew nothing about?

I would love to see what it read like BEFORE the uproar.

#98 | Posted by Beachbuzz

Here you go.

NEW Evidence - BUSH Read My "Pet" GOAT to Kids

But GOAT is a Bush Family/Bin Laden Family Business Code word for Government Of American Terrorism

And also the Story BUSH would read to his illegitimate Bin Laden bastard Child living in the mountains with (you guessed it) Pet Goats...

Gunner, is this from the Onion? If not, please have the nurse increase your medication....

I would love to see what it read like BEFORE the uproar.

#98 | Posted by Beachbuzz at 2009-09-07 05:38 PM

Before the uproar, Obama was going to suggest brown shirts for all student uniforms, and sing a medley of German folk songs...

is this the same speech he gave at the naacp convention? it didn't go over to big there either.

GotchaMeds - You pathetic puke of a Pundit poppin' PIG Sucker!!

You ditto Shaivos need to ask your Nurse to back off the Lush hillbilly heroin blatherings and connect your thinking tubes to some Reality base soon!!

GotchaMeds - Back off the LushBong "jesus pills" and remove the mandated "reality deflector cap" long enough to actually READ SOME REALITY:

Guess it's not the Onion.....

Rex:

The one making the claim should have the info neccessary to form that opinion allowing the claim be made.

I'm not about to chase the internet looking for a post to back up the claim YOU are making.

It is a good question.

Got the link to the info to back up your statement? Or are you simply making smoke?

Oh my. Yes, yes, President Obama had a whole nother speech that he was going to use to convince children to turn in their freeping--I mean, freethinking--parents. Yeah, that's it.

Ye gods. You people must be a lot of fun at parties. Paranoia strikes deep.

Again, look at his comments on education from the campaign forward. This is those. Nothing new. Nothing sinister. Probably nothing all that earth-shattering. But nice comments from someone other than the parents and the school officials--and we all know how kids like to listen to school officials.

And Lisa, you are spot-on. Don't buy his bullshit. Your point about bureaucracies, budgets, and time is right on. I made it earlier in this thread. He ignored both of us. Ignorance is bliss, Zeit. Just 'cause you've read up on one thing doesn't make you not ignorant about the other. I admit to ignorance about CAC, but so far nothing I've read from what you've shared has made me go Hmmmmm! Get back to worrying about policies that matter. There are serious arguments to make about stimulus packages (no, not the pork argument) and such. There's nothing here that I can see so far. I want to listen to the speech and see the setting--you know, so I can look for other elements of propaganda.

Too bad we may never know what the original speech contained....THAT would have been interesting.

Why don't you tell us what 'what it read like BEFORE the uproar' or were you objecting to something that you knew nothing about?

#99 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2009-09-07 05:

According my sources, the speech had another couple of paragraphs about how every child left behind needs healthcare and he talked about the importance of joining the Obama Civilian National Security Force...aka the Obama National Socialist Party.

The importance of the "Obama Yoot's" was a key phrase of the speech.

Actually, the conspiracy buff in me thinks the entire "Obama Speech to the Kids" was ginned up by liberals in order to shine the republicans in a bad light BEFORE Obama makes his last and final push for Healthcare Reform.

Face the facts: If Obama and Co. do not get some kind of healthcare reform this year, democrats will lose seats in 2010 and Obama will be gone in 2012.

Gotcha Meds, keep yucking it up while MORONS like you MARCHED in Step with HITLER's SPAWN, BUSH, for 8 years while He also INVADED 2 Nations, Murdered Millions and LOOTED a $9 TRILLION Tax Dollar increase to the Nation deficit!

And you are stupid enough to be lured by a ZERO Qualifications, Education or Experience FAT RICH PIG into actually REJECTING a super qualified Harvard Cum Laude Masters and DOCTOR in Political Science with proven executive America-Growing results at State, Senate and Presidential Levels..!????

Seriously, How can you Dittos be exactly opposite of Reality so consistently without proving to be 100% RepubliTarded!?

#114--Now you're talkin', Beachbuzz. That would be smart politics, almost worthy of Karl Rove but not evil enough.

#112--Ah, Deep Throat lives. Or is that Debbie?

I prefer Debbie!

RCADE why don't you add in an ignore users option?

I'm thinking pretty seriously about it.

OH MY GOD!!! HOW HORRIBLE!! EDUCATE OUR CHILDREN SO THEY CAN THINK, AND BE CREATIVE? NEVER!
oF COURSE FIRST YOU HAVE TO GET BY THE FIRST DAY OF SCHOOL "DEATH SQUAD" EDUCATORS WHO WOULD DECIDE IF YOU ARE "WORTHY" TO BE EDUCATED.
-The Birthers
-The Teabaggers
-Sarah!ites
-Dick Cheney
-Sarah!
-AFLAC
-TADOWE
-MURPHY
-NANC
et al

Prag:

I know full well how those budget decisions are made. I had been involved in them extensively when my older children were in school and am in the process of getting back into that arena with my youngest child of elementary school age.

People don't realize the extent of the process unless they are involved with it.

Screw you Briwo!

Seriously, How can you Dittos be exactly opposite of Reality so consistently without proving to be 100% RepubliTarded!?

#115 | Posted by gunner

I'm not sure, but I think I would like to use one of my lifelines now...can you take away 2 of the wrong answers?

.....blah, blah, blah......Obama is bad.........blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah......Obama is bad......blah, blah, blah......Obama is bad......Obama is bad....you Obama bashers sound like a broken record.....

#122

FF!!!!!

RCADE why don't you add in an ignore users option?

I'm thinking pretty seriously about it.

#118 | Posted by rcade

Pull the trigger, dude. Light this torch, etc. Would this mean I could read threads without seeing the graffiti of AKAstupid?

#118

I wish you would!

I'd use it often!!

Right on, Lisa! Regardless of one's politics or one's agenda or one's feelings about public schools or the state of education today, it should be pretty easy to understand that systemic change takes TIME. I just don't see the four years as enough time to see improvement. We're implementing a new system in my school (student assessment and engagement stuff), and it will be four years before everyone's doing it. That's the nature of it. So we can't see what effect it has for longer than that... There are smaller changes one can make that will take less time, of course. I'm guessing that CAC's challenges were large-scale. If wrong, sorry to Zeit.

As for the CAC--they doled out 50 million dollars to ACORN and others and little if anything to the schools.

I mean folks here have a handle on how to improve schools--right?

Well don't ya' think the money should be ACTUALLY put into the schools rather than to ACORN to go help a teacher with the curriculum?

It's no wonder that there was nothing to show for it after 5 or 7 years. Because it didn't go to the schools!!!

Just asking...

Murph:

I've asked once already, I'll ask again.

Please produce financial reports that prove what you and Rex are claiming.

That is always the M.O. with deranged RepubliCON Strategies to add a full TWIST of Ironic insanity to claim exactly the OPPOSITE is always True!!

That is always the M.O. of all deranged RepubliCON Strategies is to add a full TWIST of Ironic Insanity by claiming exactly the OPPOSITE of REALITY is always True!!

Asking Murky to provide proof is like asking a pig to fly. Both will never happen.

Lisa--

Here are some links--

This was all brought out before the election. Stanley Kurtz did extensive an investigation on it.

Well, B. Hussein Obama's official Kenyan birth certificate has surfaced. How you know why he refuses to produce his birth certificate.

www.wnd.com

Chick on the footprint to view the certificate.

you Obama bashers sound like a broken record.....

#123 | Posted by Kenoosh at 2009-09-07

Kinda like you libtards during the Bush years? Can dish it out but can't take it when yer "Hero" is in office?

I don't recall ANY of Bush's policies or advisors having ties to communism or socialism.

WHy is George W. BUSH still sealing ALL his Records and his Birth Certificate was NEVER Seen because it proves BUSH descends directly from ADOLPH HITLER!!

I hope the irony of Jackass asking Rogers to silence me was lost on no one.

BTW, Jackass, you're dismissed.

Time to Debunk Murky's sources

Cybercast News Service (CNS) is a subsidiary of the conservative news monitoring group, the Media Research Center (MRC). Originally calling itself the "Conservative News Service," CNS changed its name to Cybercast in 2000.[1]

Ok now we know CNS is a bunch of rightwing shills like Murky herself.

Bob Sikes at gettingpaidtowatch is a former baseball trainer that writes a sports blog. Neither source is credible Murky.

#134 | Posted by gluon

That was a forged, phoney birth certificate and a poor one at that.

The birth certificate thing is over the top too.

Rex I have intellectually outgrown you. All you have is old information and lies. Debate the here and now. Nobody cares about Ayres or Acorn. You can either accept liberalism or stay in the dark forever.

Boyd--

Stanley Kurtz did an extensive investigation and the docs were allowed to be reviewed and then denied by the Daley Library.

Get a grip.

Liberalism is a mental disorder--no thanks.

"Well, B. Hussein Obama's official Kenyan birth certificate has surfaced. How you know why he refuses to produce his birth certificate.

www.wnd.com"

What a coincidence. Just this week Hindi Jindi's birth certificate from Hinduland was unearthed.

Murph:

Those aren't financial reports....they are people who are just making those claims.

There has to be financial reports showing payments to ACORN and the amounts as well as the amounts given to the schools.

Got 'em? I haven't seen any.

Rogers, don't you want to learn about the Presidents long history of work in the area of children's education?

Here is the Presidential Proof of Payments:

Boyd--

Stanley Kurtz did an extensive investigation and the docs were allowed to be reviewed and then denied by the Daley Library.

Get a grip.

online.wsj.com

#141 | Posted by MURPHY

Kurtz is another right wing shill. Do you ever read any non-partisan news sources?

He doesn't care just like 99% of the rest of America.

Here are the records Lisa--

Rex you really need something new to harp on. Just like McCain you have been beaten.

Gunner--why don't you start your own thread and knock yourself out with the spam on this thread?

A message board as proof? Where are the actual records as proof? Don't ever be an attorney Murky.

#139 posted by Murphy - If this certificate is a forgery, then why will not Obama product the real thing to disprove it.

Better ask your Leaders Rush and Glenn to give you links next time Murky.

Murky, You already knocked yourself deep unconscious long ago on Lush bong's crack fest of Political pustules of puke.

Y'all lost the battle, lost the War, lost the Election and obviously all lost your MINDS years ago!

When may you consider returning to normal civilized Obama culture and the reality of true progress for all

LOL

Murph...that is a link to a message board where a woman talks about the records.

Without the visible proof of seeing the records, it's all heresay.

Get back to me when you're serious.

Murky is gonna cry. I can't remember the last time Murky looked so foolish. With today being a holiday she is missing out on her usual talking points. She has nothing to fall back on except her intellect of which she has none.

"Here are the records Lisa--"

There's no records there, bonehead.

Just a bunch of unsubstantiated claims made over a year ago that remain unsubstantiated and that nobody, aside from a few sore losers (like Rex), gives a shit about.

Dave,

It's just another attempt by republicans to create a fire where there is no smoke.

It gets old after awhile.

It bothers me more that Murph must think I'm that stupid to accept those links as PROOF.

A lot of the Republican criticism of this speech was fed by claims the speech itself would be an effort to indoctrinate kids.

#49 | Posted by rcade at 2009-09-07 04:34 PM

While partisan politics are always going to have hypocritical idiots on both sides who find fault no matter what; the hoopla for this stemmed around having a 'lesson plan' based on the speech from the highest levels of the Dept. of Education AND, contained within said plan, was the now infamous letter.

The lesson plan was the problem.

While I certainly give Murphy kudos for creating this thread, providing the text of the speech AND going so far as to provide comparisons of similar speeches made by Bush1 and Reagan...I need to ask a broader question:

Was the watching the broadcast itself of the Reagan speech and Bush1 speech a suggested assignment from the tops of the Dept of Ed AND was a lesson plan suggested based upon the content of said broadcast?

If the answer to either question is "no" - therein lies the difference.

"If the answer to either question is "no" - therein lies the difference."

Then since it's gone, all the right wingers are all in favor of the speech now...correct?

Then since it's gone, all the right wingers are all in favor of the speech now...correct?

#162 | Posted by Danforth

I certainly don't have a problem with the content of the speech, as it currently exists.

My point was, the lesson-plan is what induced much of the hysteria.

Regardless of that, a difference DOES still exist if either question listed above is answered with a "no". To be honest, I don't know the answer to either question - ignorance on my part.

But, can you at least acknowledge that if either question is "no" a clear difference DOES exist?

Was the watching the broadcast itself of the Reagan speech and Bush1 speech a suggested assignment from the tops of the Dept of Ed AND was a lesson plan suggested based upon the content of said broadcast?

If the answer to either question is "no" - therein lies the difference.

I think it was well written and am very pleased by the final draft.
Just goes to show ya that good can come from the input of many and the willingness to hear.
Anyone who remains unhappy with what will be said tomorrow fails to recognize and appreciate compromise when it's made.

#165 | Posted by libertarian_gi

Agreed.

"Anyone who remains unhappy with what will be said tomorrow fails to recognize and appreciate compromise when it's made"

Do you have any proof at all the speech was rewritten after the hysteria?

"But, can you at least acknowledge that if either question is "no" a clear difference DOES exist?"

How is it, if Obama talks about lowering the dropout rate, and the question is "How can you help Obama", people conclude he's now changed the subject to health care?

No, I don't.
I can only speculate that because the announcement of the speech was not well received and that BHO knows he needs to do something drastic to slow his falling approval rating, the decision was made to keep the speech very vanilla in nature and void of any controversial content.
None of us will every really know for sure.
This speech will most likely give BHO a slight boost in his approval rating.

RCADE why don't you add in an ignore users option?

#78 | Posted by jackass at 2009-09-07 05:08 PM

I knew you were messed up but I didn't think you were suicidal just yet.

Grant him his wish, Rogers. Quick!

RCADE why don't you add in an ignore users option?

I'm thinking pretty seriously about it.

#118 | Posted by rcade at 2009-09-07 06:20 PM |

Give him his wish.

Republicans just can't stand it when their last poster boy failed SO miserably, in so many ways, when a liberal, moreover a BLACK liberal, is making changes that will help the nation to heal from the inept leadership of the last 8 years...

To hear the incessant desperation in their arguments is just pathetic...

Republicans had their chance to do the "right" thing, and America dismissed them...

Get over it and let our nation heal you f'n traitors...

RCADE why don't you add in an ignore users option?

#78 | Posted by jackass

Don't you want anyone except me to read your posts jackass? Cause that's what will happen. Of course I only read your posts so I have material to mock you but at least I read them.

"Why don't you tell us what 'what it read like BEFORE the uproar' or were you objecting to something that you knew nothing about?
#99 | Posted by TrueBlue at 2009-09-07 05:

According my sources, the speech had another couple of paragraphs about how every child left behind needs healthcare and he talked about the importance of joining the Obama Civilian National Security Force...aka the Obama National Socialist Party.
#112 | Posted by Beachbuzz at 2009-09-07 06:02 PM"

Without some corroboration, you'll forgive me if I don't have as much faith in your "sources" as you seem to have.

So, it's now time for you to "Put Up". If not, please DON'T shut up. Your tirades and ramblings provide much entertainment.

So, it's now time for you to "Put Up".

how can an idiot put up, hating Obama causes severe mental problems and delusions.

Rex I have intellectually outgrown you. All you have is old information and lies. Debate the here and now. Nobody cares about Ayres or Acorn. You can either accept liberalism or stay in the dark forever.

#140 | Posted by jackass at 2009-09-07 06:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ouch. Rex Zeitgeist has been 'outgrown' by a guy who is lower than whale shit. Then again, Jackass doesn't link to message boards as proof, nor does he spam shit music on every thread. You've achieved a new level of fail, rex...one that should be catalogued on encyclopediadramatica it's so pathetic.

Go drink yourself to oblivion in celebration.

I just read the text of the President's speech to school kids. Wow, SUBVERSIVE!! Imagine encouraging them to study hard and stay in school, or tell them about his own having to get up at 4:30 in the morning for extra lessons. Those pitching a bitch about this are way too stupid to be parents.

From CNN.com :

PARIS, France (CNN) -- Former first lady Laura Bush praised the performance of her husband's successor Monday, breaking with many Republicans in telling CNN that she thinks President Obama is doing a good job under tough circumstances.

Former first lady Laura Bush defended President Obama's decision to address the nation's schoolchildren.

She also criticized Washington's sharp political divide during an interview covering a range of topics including her thoughts on first lady Michelle Obama, former Vice President Dick Cheney, the situation in Afghanistan and Myanmar, and life after eight tumultuous years in the White House.

Bush sat down with CNN on Monday during a United Nations meeting in Paris, France, where she was promoting global literacy, a cause she trumpeted during her husband's administration.

The typically reserved former first lady defended Obama's decision to deliver a back-to-school speech to students, putting her at odds with many conservatives afraid that the president will use the opportunity to advance his political agenda.

"I think he is [doing a good job]," Bush said when asked to assess Obama's job performance. "I think he has got a lot on his plate, and he has tackled a lot to start with, and that has probably made it more difficult."

Don't you want anyone except me to read your posts jackass? Cause that's what will happen. Of course I only read your posts so I have material to mock you but at least I read them.

#173 | Posted by Gimme_a_Scotch

You read my posts so you can report them back to your republican leaders. I know some of you are RNC operatives. The enemy of the RNC is a well informed populace. I have moved 5 times in 6 years to avoid being part of your extraordinary rendition program. when people get too much knowledge the RNC often makes them disappear.

You read my posts so you can report them back to your republican leaders. I know some of you are RNC operatives. The enemy of the RNC is a well informed populace. I have moved 5 times in 6 years to avoid being part of your extraordinary rendition program. when people get too much knowledge the RNC often makes them disappear.

#179 | Posted by jackass

Wow! There's still 4 months left in 2009 and we have the WINNUH of the funniest post of the year already. Congratulations jackass!

Oh wait you were being serious weren't you? Shit that's even funnier!

I am dead serious. Why do you think I keep info on all of you here? Just in case I disappear my family will know who was responsible.

I am dead serious. Why do you think I keep info on all of you here? Just in case I disappear my family will know who was responsible.

Stop it jackass you're cracking me up! Two rib cracking jokes in a row! You're on a roll baby too bad you couldn't have been on Jerry Lewis' telethon this weekend you would've bought down the house with tears of laughter.

LOL, like someone here actually thinks jackass is worthy of post to provoke anger enough to do him harm....LOL!

Whale riders are always pipe dreamers.

Just in case I disappear my family will know who was responsible.

Hell,they will be first on the list of suspects.

Long time membership in Wright's church. ex-terrorist Ayers for a mentor and ghostwriter. Shunning National Day of Prayer while praising Islam....

I think Obama has left some footprints to be suspicious about. I'm glad the 'class assignments' to enhance his liberal messiah status has been nixed.

"Shunning National Day of Prayer while praising Islam...."

I think it's healthy Obama didn't wrap himself in scriptures for the ridiculous Nat'l Day Prayer. As for "praising Islamn," Sandwichboard Boy, check out Bush's Ramadan greetings and praise of Islam over the years. I don't recall you whinging about that. You've very selective in your condemnation.

By the way, there were no "class assignments." There were lesson plan suggestions, and there are still lesson plan suggestions online.

Now, go back to your prayer wheel or comic book or snake oil or whatever it is that you focus on in order to escape reality.

Hehe, every conservative friend of mine is rolling their eyes at the hype surrounding the speech. They're embarrassed, and rightfully so. They can't believe members of their own party are soooooo in a tizzy about this.

#185 | POSTED BY TAKITEZ
Takitez, you're a dolt, and you prove it every time you post here. Just couldn't stay away from this one, could you? It's always fun when I show your posts to my conservative Christian friends, and watch them recoil and say, "That is NOT who we are!"

But, I'm sure you're a useful idiot to someone.....

Ok, lesson plan... I stand corrected.

But I do see his hatred for Christians and his high praise for Muslims as a concern. I hope Bary's father will not embarass Barry (Hussein Obama) by abstaining from honor-killing his daughter who recently fled to Florida.

...and none of it will matter unless all of you fulfill your responsibilities

zOMFG! Obama's talking about personal responsibility!!!

Is Communism!!!

...or not.

Long time membership in Wright's church

~Tacky

Wotchu got against church, Tacky?

You some kinda commie pinko athiest or sommat?!

ex-terrorist Ayers for a mentor and ghostwriter

The away the rtards overplayed Obama's relation to Ayers was, quite frankly, shameful.

Nice to see yer still stuck on it.

Also, just cos Jack Cashill sez sommat doesn't make it true.

Shunning National Day of Prayer while praising Islam...

He signed a proclamation honoring the day but nixed a prayer breakfast and now some rtards are convinced that this means Obama is the anti-Christ or sommat.

Too funneh.

Be Well.

#190... nixed a NATIONAL prayer breakfast against Christians, but invited Muslims to dinner after Ramadan....

....that itself revealed a lot to discerning folks worldwide. Believers need to be reminded again and again the finger Hussein Obama gave them.

"But I do see his hatred for Christians and his high praise for Muslims as a concern."

Are you actually a moron or do you just pretend to be one here?

#192....

I'm only a concerned observer.

Oh, I neither doubt that you're concerned nor an observer. But that still doesn't elevate you beyong moron-status.

"But I do see his hatred for Christians and his high praise for Muslims as a concern."

Total bullshit.

"I hope Bary's father will not embarass Barry (Hussein Obama) by abstaining from honor-killing his daughter who recently fled to Florida."

What the fuck are you talking about? You think Obama's old man -- dead more than a quarter-century -- is a zombie?

As I say, Takitez, you're a dyed-in-the-wool, full-blown moron who tries to keep it together by falling back on tired mantras expressive of a faith you're incapble of living up to.

Hatred for Christians?

Are you a professional victim? Does it pay well?

Show me please, where Obama has shown "hatred" toward Christians.

And STILL: #189, "I hope Bary's father will not embarass Barry (Hussein Obama) by abstaining from honor-killing his daughter who recently fled to Florida."

Are you kidding me? STILL with the "Hussien"? You are a disgrace, to this country, and to well-minded, geniune Christians the world over.

Honor-killing his daughter? Again, you're a disgrace.

#195... I'm referring to the teenage girl who fled to Florida, for fear that her Muslim parents in Oklahoma might murder her for converting to Christianity. Her name is Bary.

Bary, ex-Muslim in fear of her life .... from a religion that Obama praises.

Bary, ex-Muslim in fear of her life .... from a religion that Obama praises.

All religions do some good and thus are worthy of praise.

All religions do some evil (with the possible exception of the believers in the FSM who seem a pretty harmles bunch) and thus are worthy of criticism.

Yer problem with Obama is that despite obviouisly being a Christian he is not tearing down the wall between church and state and stuffing the government full of fundies with agendas like Born Again Dumbya did.

Also he does not buy into the whole supposedly christian, anti-gay anti-abortion agenda.

Plus he doesn't demonise Mulims.

All the stuff you hate him for Spud is like him for.

Funneh is that.

Be Well.

/K, REAAAALLLLY gone now.

I'm referring to the teenage girl who fled to Florida, for fear that her Muslim parents in Oklahoma might murder her for converting to Christianity. Her name is Bary.
#196 | Posted by takitez

Okay, you're a self-identified moron. Now you've hoiked yourself over into the ignoramus column.

The case of Rifqa Bary is by no means as cut-and-dried as you'd like to believe. Please, try and follow stories more closely if you're going to drag them up in a lame and unsuccessful attempt to prove a point. There is, for example, no proof that Bary's parents intended to kill her for converting to Christianity, she's been removed from the evangelical pastor's abode by a court, the case is being considered within the legal system -- I note you evidently give no credence to the idea the kid might've been brainwashed into a cult and/or is involved with the preacher man -- and she's not from Oklahoma.

"from a religion that Obama praises."

What did you think of the Bush Admnistration issuing a commemorative stamp celebrating the Muslim Eid ul-Ftr festival?

Islam is of the devil, but I have disavowed the recent T-shirt strategy. Islam continues discriminate against or persecute Christians outside the USA.

But I understand Obama's Homeland security tried to label some conservative Christians as terrorists.... while his administration is trying to show kindness to those 9/11 truthers.

Islam is of the devil,

Is that any way to witness?

The idea is to attract, not repulse.

"Islam is of the devil"

Now you've got a well-earned "Fucked In The Head" flag you can wave around.

"tried to label some conservative Christians as terrorists...."

Late-breaking news, bozo: some of them are terrorists.

You can now proceed with the rest of your day. Just make sure you keep your head firmly lodged up your ass lest reality intrude.

There are times when the plain truths need to be stated.... so the clueless or careless are reminded.

(truth either attracts or repulses, depending on the hearers state of mind).

Example....

Islam is of the devil.

The rich man (liberal?) went to hell for not repenting (Luke 16:19-31).

plain truths

Funny shit.

Is another "plain truth" that all liberals are going to hell?

"Islam is of the devil."

That's two "Fucked In The Head" flags you can wave around this mornmi

"The rich man (liberal?) went to hell for not repenting (Luke 16:19-31)."

Jeezus, you're really a funny fella. What makes you think the "rich man" might've been a liberal? What I've read in the New Testament would incline me to believe he was probably part of the entrenched establishment that saw Jesus as a threat and snuffed him for it. In other words, a conservative.

Probably a Republican.

LOL!

"When Bush spoke to students, Democrats investigated, held hearings"

"when President George H.W. Bush delivered a similar speech on October 1, 1991, from Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington DC, the controversy was just beginning. Democrats, then the majority party in Congress, not only denounced Bush's speech -- they also ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate its production and later summoned top Bush administration officials to Capitol Hill for an extensive hearing on the issue.

Unlike the Obama speech, in 1991 most of the controversy came after, not before, the president's school appearance. The day after Bush spoke, the Washington Post published a front-page story suggesting the speech was carefully staged for the president's political benefit. "The White House turned a Northwest Washington junior high classroom into a television studio and its students into props," the Post reported.

With the Post article in hand, Democrats pounced. "The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students," said Richard Gephardt, then the House Majority Leader. "And the president should be doing more about education than saying, 'Lights, camera, action.'"

Democrats did not stop with words. Rep. William Ford, then chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee, ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate the cost and legality of Bush's appearance."
http:// www.washingtonexaminer.com/ opinion/blogs/beltway- confidential/When-Bush-spoke- to-students-Democrats- investigated-held-hearings- 57694347.html

When Bush spoke to students early in his term, Democrats, spearheaded by then Democratic Rep. Ford of Tennessee, investigated and held hearings on a speech that was ultimately deemed "politically" innocuous and legal by the GAO.

Now that the current President wants to talk to the kids, the Republicans are playing THE SAME STUPID GAME that the Democrats played back then.

Someday, we will get a Congress that is made up of Democrats and Republicans that are ADULTS.

#207--Note that the Bush criticism came AFTER. Even though the Dems behaved poorly (if they did, and at a glance it seems so), at least they had the decency to see what was in the speech. But then, I don't know what was in the speech. According Anderson Cooper, and others, George W Bush once gave a speech on the merits of NCLB to students. A far cry from a speech that celebrates hard work, no?

Oh, by the by, my school has chosen not to show it, with admin citing that they didn't have time to "forewarn parents and provide an option to students." I guess they saw the controversy and took the careful route. Of course, as I have posted, it's best to have an alternative at hand for something controversial (though controversy can be made of almost anything these days).

Btw, I find it interesting that among all the education critics here, no one (as far as I noticed) commented on my four questions (#22). My guess? People are tired of reading my educational commentary. : ) (Too bad--I mean, a self-declared liberal teacher is ready to engage with critics of all stripes...)

Any Republicans who object to Obama talking today over the television networks directly to the school children of America in their classrooms are total idiots.

President Obama is merely going to tell them to study, keep up their grades, and - WOW - he's suppose to get so radical I heard he is also going to tell them to not forget to wash their hands to help keep germs from spreading. Hardly the rantings of an insane socialist!

Glenn Beck will find fault with it I'm sure. Who is bigger now Rush or Glenn. I hear Glenn's name all over the place.

Obama's Zombification Of Our Children

why must the Obamapologists twist the issue to paint the righties as anti -speech?

I don't think many of us are against the Obama speech itself ( although I personally am)

It's clear most righties were /are against the WH trying to influence the teachers to discuss "support" of Obama and "helping" Obama.

The problem was with the "directive" that was sent out and then pulled back.
The problem was not with the speech itself.

Pragmatist to your point:
People are tired of reading my educational commentary. : )

I can suggest that if you mentioned your bra size perhaps you might find people will become more engaged .
I'ts just an observation I have made.

"helping" Obama

"helping the President", in context, would be helping the President get kids to stay in school....context being unfamiliar territory for most rwingers.

It's clear most righties were /are against the WH trying to influence the teachers to discuss "support" of Obama and "helping" Obama.

BULLSHIT ALERT-BULLSHIT ALERT-BULLSHIT ALERT

The right was upset over "indoctrination into socialist concepts." There is no spinning this allowed. The Right must eat every slice of crow being served this week.

people like Corky and the Huffington post have no argument against the fact that Obama was CAUGHT trying to subversively influence teachers to push support form children.
Obama should have just made the speech without the "directive" handed out to schools - which was pulled back , instead of defended, by Obama.

That is why you see posts like #213, they cannot address what the real problem is that the right had.

"Who is bigger now Rush or Glenn."

Rush by 200 pounds.

"helping the President", in context, would be helping the President get kids to stay in school....context being unfamiliar territory for most rwingers.

"Read books about res Obama"
Ask kids "why is it important to listen to our leaders ?

OK go on, explain those 2 points

"The right was upset over "indoctrination into socialist concepts." There is no spinning this allowed. The Right must eat every slice of crow being served this week."

Right on. Most critical posters here were not talking only about the lesson plans. Some even called Obama filth and analogized to child abuse. Way over the top, even if you hate the guy.

And 8Roper, funny shit:

"I can suggest that if you mentioned your bra size perhaps you might find people will become more engaged .
I'ts just an observation I have made."

The funny thing is, I once did that, and I still got only one retort. I was hoping for some fun that day. *sigh*

-what the real problem is that the right had.

Glenn Beck Clones Himself Because He "Loves America" (VIDEO)

"people like Corky and the Huffington post have no argument against the fact that Obama was CAUGHT trying to subversively influence teachers to push support form children."

Oh, come on, man. GHW Bush had the exact same essay prompt. Did it bother you then? And in context, what's wrong with asking students to help the president in the goal of education? That's different from asking how they can help promote a political agenda, isn't it? (Politically, I think it was a poor choice of wording. Realistically, in context, who the fuck cares?)

Some even called Obama filth and analogized to child abuse.

I did.

NO President should force themselves into the schools.

whether its a Bush, or an Obama.

Those kids aren't allowed to vote.

They should not be influenced to "respect" the POTUS.
The only people they should look to for moral leadership are their parents.

No offense Prag, but they should not even recieve moral leadership from teachers.

That stuff is to be learned at home.

Teachers should teach.

President's should keep their faces off of the school TV screens.

Presidents are not to be looked up to as authority on ANYTHING.

They are to be distrusted.

The message to "stay in school" should come from home, thank you very much.

Corky just outright ignores the question.

Here it is again:

"Read books about Pres Obama"
Ask kids "why is it important to listen to our leaders ?

OK go on, explain those 2 points

#219 | Posted by 8roper

The funny thing is, I once did that, and I still got only one retort. I was hoping for some fun that day. *sigh*

#220 | Posted by pragmatist

link, please

Perhaps if you didn't post such outright ignorance as in #224, people might take you seriously enough to answer #219. But then, that would likely be a mistake.

But I thought Prag did such a good job in #222 that it wasn't necessary to repeat what he said.

This will be #22_, and you will find it fits nicely in your ahole, sideways.

#226 | Posted by Corky

Wow you used quite an extensive post to continue avoiding the question.

"Read books about Pres Obama"
Ask kids "why is it important to listen to our leaders ?

OK go on, explain those 2 points

#219 | Posted by 8roper

Why should the kids read books about Pres Obama, Corky?

Well, let me waste some of the FR gerbil's lifespan explaining the obvious to the oblivious.

"Read books about Pres Obama"

Most presentations include a bio of the presenter, for contextual purposes.

"why is it important to listen to our leaders"

Most presentations include some info on why the presenter is qualified to make the presentation.

But then, I suppose those things could be interpreted as Socialist indoctrination, if one's IQ and shoe size matched.

Even if you hate Obama he shows that anybody of any race can become somebody if they work hard in life. He is a great role model for children.

DR gerbil's

ALL RIGHT JUST A few mins away

lets get warmer up

okay boys and girls...lets get our eyes all glassy eyed and filled with adoration.

obama
obama
obama
obama

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmhhhhh
hhmmmmmm

ah.,.mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

obama is good
obama is great
obama is good
obama is great

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

AND in the words of that great american demi moore

I pledge to be a servant to the president"...
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hhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Interesting posts from someone who called himself, "Bush Lover"

Irony is what BKL2 does to his shirts.

This just in....if you play the president's speech backwards it says.....Obama is God...obey Him...Michelle Obama is the Virgin Mary....kill Republicans....AFKBL2 is a dope....

"Read books about Pres Obama"

Most presentations include a bio of the presenter, for contextual purposes.

ONE book alone - let alone BOOKS, plural, would take up quite a bit of classroom time, don't you think?
You say that's for the purposes of background info????

why not let a qualified teacher exaplin what the Pres of the US is for about 30 minutes -

why READ BOOKS ABOUT OBAMA????

"why is it important to listen to our leaders"

Most presentations include some info on why the presenter is qualified to make the presentation.

NO NO NO
wrong

the directive was not - "explain the following facts that make OBAMA qualified to talk about education a., b., c., ...."
the directive was:

TELL THE KIDS THEY MUST "LISTEN" TO THE POTUS - period.

foolish attempts, Cork -

you were doing better ignoring the question.

#229 | Posted by Corky

Danni, you must be here to call me a pedo for the 3rd time!

Let her rip ! LOL!

"Read books about res Obama"
Ask kids "why is it important to listen to our leaders ?
#219 | Posted by 8roper

Where in the material the Dept. of Ed. offers teachers does it say "Read books about res [sic] Obama"?

You are correct, ignorant questions deserved to be ignored. Kinda like the ridiculous deserves to be ridiculed.

NO President should force themselves into the schools.

The President is the leader of the country---he should be allowed to speak to whatever group he likes---that's one of the jobs of a leader---to speak to those he leads. Children are included in the group Obama leads, and is responsible for.

whether its a Bush, or an Obama.

Whether it is Bush or Obama--if parents don't like the message, they can discuss it with their children.

Those kids aren't allowed to vote.

SO? They will one day--hopefully--and when they start voting, maybe they will have a better understanding of what they are voting for.

They should not be influenced to "respect" the POTUS.

If you can't "respect" the President of the United States, how can you "respect" teachers, police, doctors, firemen, or anyone else in positions of authority.

The only people they should look to for moral leadership are their parents.

Unfortunately, most parents are too busy working to care---I guess you haven't checked out the prison population recently---If those people had respect for people other than their parents, they wouldn't be there. Parents do a poor job of raising chidren, no matter how rich they are--look at the immorality of the Bush family, from Prescott on down. Respect for others is a key to society, and you have stated that such respect is unimportant---I state that you are a poor example of parenthood.

No offense Prag, but they should not even receive moral leadership from teachers.

Why do you think they are called "teachers"? It is because they are supposed to set a conduct of behaviour for the students as well as teaching them facts. Teachers generally spend a great deal more time with students than parents, and their input is vital and necessary for the develpement of a child into society at large.

That stuff is to be learned at home.

Like teaching your children not to respect the President or anyone else----got it.

Teachers should teach.

Respect is one of the things they teach---too bad you missed that day.

President's should keep their faces off of the school TV screens.

The President teaches also--about the country, and the society they will one day join.

Presidents are not to be looked up to as authority on ANYTHING.

Good lesson---and of course the same would follow for anyone else. If you can't trust the leader of the country, how can you trust any part of the country that is part of the leadership--like police or teachers or nuns or preachers.

They are to be distrusted.

As are all authority figures---your lessons suck.

The message to "stay in school" should come from home, thank you very much.

The message isn't getting through to hundreds of thousands of children each year. The drop out rate in this country is horrendous. How about you keep your kids home on Obama speech day, and let the rest of the kids try to integrate into society, as best they can.

How many hours a day do you spend teaching your kids about life and to respect no one but yourself? Just curious.

#223 | Posted by 8roper at 2009-09-08 11:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

Irony is what BKL2 does to his shirts.

#234 | Posted by Corky at 2009

so what the fuck does this mean?

This just in....if you play the president's speech backwards it says.....Obama is God...obey Him...Michelle Obama is the Virgin Mary....kill Republicans....AFKBL2 is a dope....

#235 | Posted by danni

may be but IM not the one that gets fooled and suckered in to obamamania everytime he opens his mouth

Ok, so you have Chinaman irony shirts for you?

I am so proud of the right. After years of bitching about how the left treated Bush, you really have taken the high road here and shown us how discourse in America should be handled. Well done!

no but you can tell when Im having a bad round of golf..there is tobacco all over it.

KANRIE

payback is hell

AND you 'aint seen nothing yet'

wait until republicans are BACK in majority,.
you may,..,HOPEFULLY never hear from some democrats again

As bad as bush was sometimes treated...
They brought some of it on themselves with this "follow us blindly or you're an unpatriotic peace of shit" Obama deserves derision for being a pussy. Not for speaking to fucking kids about studying hard.

At least Afkabl2 was honest for once in his life, and admitted that this is ALL about payback. God forbid there be any morals or consistency within the rightwingnut world.

its not ALL about payback
a lot of it will be having to make up for the pile of shit that obama is putting us in.

AND you 'aint seen nothing yet'

wait until republicans are BACK in majority,.

Frankly, if the voters are dumb enough to bring them back in, this country deserves more republicans like W.

a lot of it will be having to make up for the pile of shit that obama is putting us in.

#249 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-09-08 12:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Says the two time bush voter who STILL can't get his lips off the mans cock. Change your handle already. Is the guy your fucking daddy or something?

Then again, I must be the stupid one here...

I'm wasting my time talking to a dipshit that thinks A moderate Democrat is a Stalinist.

Same dipshit that is still "bushlover" in 2009.

may be but IM not the one that gets fooled and suckered in to obamamania everytime he opens his mouth

#242 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-09-08 12:00 PM | Reply | Flag

True---you are still sucking the juices of the Bush Kool-Aide out of Bushs shorts---and not the Bermuda kind of shorts either.

Ok, so you have Chinaman irony shirts for you?

#243 | Posted by Corky

I own a den of chinese muslim uighers and they do my laundry for me.

payback is hell

#246 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-09-08 12:07 PM

Like I said, way to take the high road. But then again, the right has always been one to talk a good game, but never play it. No, the right instead is always justifying its actions by pointing out similar behavior in those they oppose because of said behavior.

Says the two time bush voter who STILL can't get his lips off the mans cock. Change your handle already. Is the guy your fucking daddy or something?

#251 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2009

says the man(?) who still has his tongue so far up obamas ass
by the way...did you see any pylops while you were headlong up his ass?

obama is a neomarxist.
so if you are going to talk shit...get the facts right...

True---you are still sucking the juices of the Bush Kool-Aide out of Bushs shorts---and not the Bermuda kind of shorts either.

#253 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob

ANYONE else see the fascination of both bob and ALEX with dicksucking here?

well I guess you are what you eat

-I own a den of chinese muslim uighers and they do my laundry for me.

I'm not sure your half interest with Chairpoodle in this business qualifies.....

The other bit you've tossed in -- Ask kids "why is it important to listen to our leaders -- isn't in any of the lesson plan material.

Taking an arrow from your pathetic quiver, care to explain what you're talking about?

#238 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2009-09-08 11:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

I could make a career out of proving you a misguided idiot, loser.

And this will be easy for you , it's only the third bullet point down from the top, so you won't have to worry about reading too many "big words" before you get to it:

Like I said, way to take the high road. But then again, the right has always been one to talk a good game, but never play it. No, the right instead is always justifying its actions by pointing out similar behavior in those they oppose because of said behavior.

#255 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-

WOW BRO

you are already preparing for the crawfishing when congress is RADICALLY altered in 2010.

good for you..its always good to be prepared

obama is a neomarxist.

LOL. Nothing from the right is original anymore.

The left has Hillary, so the right responds with Palin.

The country switched gears and decided they liked a black man more than a woman, so the right brings out Steele.

Now, they are busting out a "Neo" term.

m not sure your half interest with Chairpoodle in this business qualifies.....

www.flickr.com

#259 | Posted by Corky

You certainly were at the ready with that link -

AFK,
WHile I feel the left is foolish and naive, I believe the right is evil and corrupt. I will side with foolish and naive every time in that choice.

I am so proud of the right. After years of bitching about how the left treated Bush, you really have taken the high road here and shown us how discourse in America should be handled. Well done!

#244 | POSTED BY KANREI AT 2009-09-08 12:00 PM | REPLY | FLAG:
Bullshit! When they gave Bush grief over him talking to kiddies, they held investigations, and demanded all the work product in how the speech evolved to its final, innocuous, version.

I stoop to Dem levels, the Republicans would have to call for an investigation and do the same thing. They won't (and, in fact, can't because they have no control).

When they gave Bush grief over him talking to kiddies, they held investigations

Somoco does his best Fonzie impression and LEAPS that shark.

-You certainly were at the ready with that link -

Junk email. Please remove my name from your mailing lists.

AFK,
WHile I feel the left is foolish and naive, I believe the right is evil and corrupt. I will side with foolish and naive every time in that choice.

#264 | Posted by kanrei at 2009

then you are in the right place when it comes to naive..

When they gave Bush grief over him talking to kiddies, they held investigations

As are you with evil and corrupt...

obama is a neomarxist.
so if you are going to talk shit...get the facts right...

Just cos Bush was called a neo-facist hereabouts and elsewhere doesn't mean that you can call Obama a "neo-Marxist" and get away with it.

Obama is a corporatist just like every other POTUS you kids have had in the last 80 or so years.

He's just not as hopelessly corrupt and incompetent as BushCo was but to even suggest that the agenda he advances is marxist and not corporate-lite is just plain nuts.

If yer gonna try talking politics at least get the facts right.

Be Well.

/Bush was a neo-facist, btw.

#270

Yep.

says the man(?) who still has his tongue so far up obamas ass
by the way...did you see any pylops while you were headlong up his ass?

#256 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-09-08 12:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

What a joke you are. I've bashed obama more times this week than you ever did to Bush in 8 years.

And your name is STILL BUSHLOVER!

For god's sake...don't you realize how crazy it is to call Obama a neomarxist or a stalinist? He's a moderate pussy democrat! Are you THAT far to the right, that Obama somehow resembles a marxist?

#260 | Posted by 8roper | Flag: Idiot In Search Of A Village

The link you've provided is the document I used and if you'd bothered to read it earlier you'd know the term "leaders" doesn't even appear anywhere within it. "Elected officials" does but not "leaders." They're not necessarily the same thing, especially since for you whiney riighties the idea of Obama as "leader" seems tantamount to the way you tools grovel at Ronnie Raygun's feet of most porous clay.

You also blew it on your "books" reference. Don't you ever get tired being marked as a clown?

Really, you should try and keep up to speed and not cause yourself too much embarrassment here. Although I doubt it makes much difference since you're operating with zero crediblity. Yes, that sound you hear is laughter, bozo.

Interesting at least one bozo on this bus thinks asking why what elected officials say is important is somehow, weirdly controversial. Could it be because those same elected officials make decisions that affect our lives? Oooooooh, now there's an exotic concept.

ROTFLAMO!

KANRIE

here is how the left does its business

Bush was a neo-facist, btw.

#270 | Posted by dethspud at

wrong....

does the right do anything like this?

Yes, they post bullshit stories on Newsmax and WND.

And your name is STILL BUSHLOVER!

For god's sake...don't you realize how crazy it is to call Obama a neomarxist or a stalinist? He's a moderate pussy democrat! Are you THAT far to the right, that Obama somehow resembles a marxist?

#272 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2009

maybe you cant read or comprehend

the name is
artist FORMALLY known as bushlover

I am sure it was just an honest mistake on your part and not a part of the normal lie from the left.

okay he is a STATIST and if you google the definition of that you will see that its EXACTLY the definition of whats been going on.

does the right do anything like this?

Yes, they post bullshit stories on Newsmax and WND.

#277 | Posted by kanrei at 2009

a good post to leave on
you were THIS CLOSE to being clever..

better luck next time..LOL

I thought it was quite good considering you linked to Newsmax.

the name is
artist FORMALLY known as bushlover

That's even fucking worse.
You could have picked ANY name and be recognizable. No one else butchers logic or English like you.

ANYONE else see the fascination of both bob and ALEX with dicksucking here?

well I guess you are what you eat

#258 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-09-08 12:25 PM | Reply | Flag

I don't know about Alex---but you are the only one mentioning anything about dicksucking between you and me. I said you suck the juice out of Bushs shorts--there is all kinds of juice in there for you to savor---the penis part was all you. Maybe you should throw some fruit and vegetables in there to boost your brain power to the point of understanding the written word.

I said he had his lips on bush's cock.

Because he does.

artist FORMALLY known as bushlover

Formally?

Were you wearing yer gold lame tuxedo or yer prom dress avec tiara when you wrote that?

Be Well.

When Bush spoke to students, Democrats investigated, held hearings

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The controversy over President Obama's speech to the nation's schoolchildren will likely be over shortly after Obama speaks today at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Virginia. But when President George H.W. Bush delivered a similar speech on October 1, 1991, from Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington DC, the controversy was just beginning. Democrats, then the majority party in Congress, not only denounced Bush's speech -- they also ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate its production and later summoned top Bush administration officials to Capitol Hill for an extensive hearing on the issue.

Unlike the Obama speech, in 1991 most of the controversy came after, not before, the president's school appearance. The day after Bush spoke, the Washington Post published a front-page story suggesting the speech was carefully staged for the president's political benefit. "The White House turned a Northwest Washington junior high classroom into a television studio and its students into props," the Post reported.

With the Post article in hand, Democrats pounced. "The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students," said Richard Gephardt, then the House Majority Leader. "And the president should be doing more about education than saying, 'Lights, camera, action.'"

Democrats did not stop with words. Rep. William Ford, then chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee, ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate the cost and legality of Bush's appearance. On October 17, 1991, Ford summoned then-Education Secretary Lamar Alexander and other top Bush administration officials to testify at a hearing devoted to the speech. "The hearing this morning is to really examine the expenditure of $26,750 of the Department of Education funds to produce and televise an appearance by President Bush at Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington, DC," Ford began. "As the chairman of the committee charged with the authorization and implementation of education programs, I am very much interested in the justification, rationale for giving the White House scarce education funds to produce a media event."

Unfortunately for Ford, the General Accounting Office concluded that the Bush administration had not acted improperly. "The speech itself and the use of the department's funds to support it, including the cost of the production contract, appear to be legal," the GAO wrote in a letter to Chairman Ford. "The speech also does not appear to have violated the restrictions on the use of appropriations for publicity and propaganda."

That didn't stop Democratic allies from taking their own shots at Bush. The National Education Association denounced the speech, saying it "cannot endorse a president who spends $26,000 of taxpayers' money on a staged media event at Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington, D.C. -- while cutting school lunch funds for our neediest youngsters."

Lost in all the denouncing and investigating was the fact that Bush's speech itself, like Obama's today, was entirely unremarkable. "Block out the kids who think it's not cool to be smart," the president told students. "If someone goofs off today, are they cool? Are they still cool years from now, when they're stuck in a dead end job. Don't let peer pressure stand between you and your dreams.

The link you've provided is the document I used and if you'd bothered to read it earlier you'd know the term "leaders" doesn't even appear anywhere within it. "Elected officials" does but not "leaders."
#273 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Just take the beating you have given yourself and go home.
It's getting uncomfortable to watch you.

I questioned two statements you made, dumbo, and you couldn't produce the goods on either.

Now pick up you ass and waddle off to wherever it is you go to have a nice, long cry before coming back into the frag for yet another asskicking.

Ask kids "why is it important to listen to our leaders ?
#219 | Posted by 8roper

"Why is it important to listen to our leaders" is not langauge that appears in the material you've linked, Clarabelle.

Hope you and the village in need of an idiot find one another.

Just take the beating you have given yourself and go home.
It's getting uncomfortable to watch you.

#286 | Posted by 8roper at 2009-09-08 01:02 PM | Reply | Flag

You had your ass handed to you with my #240 post. Your failure to respond to the points made, makes you a loser---not that any verification was needed after your moronic statements.

The comments from the Rtards is like a fart in a tornado
Of no consequence!

Well most of the kids are commies now and after tomorrow night so will be most adults.
Welcome to the new world order Comrades!

Ohmygawd, the Pod Peoples is coming! The Pog Peoples is coming! And the Obama Monster's leading them! They're coming for the Fall Harvest! Get your nightlights on and crawl under your bed so not even one piece of falling sky will dent your pointy little head!
~The Oh Please Help Us We're So Very Afraid Riiight

You FOOLS! You sleeping mind-numbed fools! Don't you know the super evil and uber-intelligent Obama has mastered the art of "back-masking" his own voice? Sure, you can hear what he is saying forwards, but do you know what he is saying BACKWARDS? Of course you don't! Only kids can hear the backwards truth!

#232...AFK....

Reading your post, I got a tingling in my legs.... I think I just experienced what Chris Matthews experienced over Obama's messiahship. LOL....

I can't believe the president, the man obligated to act in the best interests of America as a whole, has the gall to tell our children to take it upon themselves to succeed. As if it were in the best interests of America to have motivated and responsible students...like they're going to be running things one day and our WHOLE future depends on them. Sheesh...what a bunch of crap right Laura Ingraham? I thought so.

I just listened to a 3-sentence sound-bite from the speech.

The transcript is one thing.

The other thing is that this guy IS a great orator. His delivery was excellent and was perfectly appropriate for his audience.

I think Obama is VERY-much ill-suited for POTUS on multiple levels. It's a terrible match of personal strengths with job duties. However, he has the potential to be a great 'elder' statesman.

Truth Hurts is not so truthful in his attempt to spam.

My Pet Goat was phony children's book title made up by some wacko movie guy.

It is really called "The Pet Goat," all other details are 100% correct and haunt the GOP to this very day.

strange...i was under the impression he attended madrassa in indonesia...

My Pet Goat was phony children's book title
#297 | Posted by 3853177z

The book's actual title is, of course, far more urbane: The Pet Goat.

"My Pet Goat" - Got to hand it to Moore for some very creative playing with the facts. Quite a lasting impact of W's image.

My beef is spamming DR.

385,

Yeah, Moore made a Duby error. He said "My Pet Goat" when he meant "The Pet Goat" just like Bush invaded IraQ based on intel about IraN

ONCE AGAIN FOR THE DESPERATELY THICK HEADED:

By blowing all of this out of proportion, the Republicans have completely discredited their whole party. They have unwittingly fallen into Obama's trap by incessantly clammoring about every move he makes. When Obama's actions turn out to be unarguabley benificial, they appear to be idiotic alarmists. This will work well for him, especially regarding healthcare reform. Once the American public gets sick of the right crying wolf, they will just disregard EVERYTHING they have to say...

Funny really; Obama's political savvy has made a mockery of the right; no wonder he took the WH by storm last November...

"But I thought Prag did such a good job in #222 that it wasn't necessary to repeat what he said." Thanks, Corky!

Roper--I don't have a link to my cup-size comment. I'm sure it's in the archives somewhere. You must have been done with DR when I posted it, else you would have had _something_ to say. (Why is it that I can enjoy the off-topic banter with you, but get so irked by your political stances. Oh, that's right--we're _people_).

I really like the idea that the speech furor was an intended consequence, a political device. Damn, but this administration is smart if that's what they wanted. I still say that most who posted here about it had arguments based in hate and ideology (often mistaken ideology, like that this president is Marxist, Neo-Marxist, or socialist or communist or...).

When Bush Spoke To Students, Democrats Investigated, Held Hearings

(Of course when the libtards do it, it's just peachy keen.)

------------------------------

The controversy over President Obama's speech to the nation's schoolchildren will likely be over shortly after Obama speaks today at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Virginia. But when President George H.W. Bush delivered a similar speech on October 1, 1991, from Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington DC, the controversy was just beginning. Democrats, then the majority party in Congress, not only denounced Bush's speech -- they also ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate its production and later summoned top Bush administration officials to Capitol Hill for an extensive hearing on the issue.

Unlike the Obama speech, in 1991 most of the controversy came after, not before, the president's school appearance. The day after Bush spoke, the Washington Post published a front-page story suggesting the speech was carefully staged for the president's political benefit. "The White House turned a Northwest Washington junior high classroom into a television studio and its students into props," the Post reported.

With the Post article in hand, Democrats pounced. "The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students," said Richard Gephardt, then the House Majority Leader. "And the president should be doing more about education than saying, 'Lights, camera, action.'"

Democrats did not stop with words. Rep. William Ford, then chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee, ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate the cost and legality of Bush's appearance. On October 17, 1991, Ford summoned then-Education Secretary Lamar Alexander and other top Bush administration officials to testify at a hearing devoted to the speech. "The hearing this morning is to really examine the expenditure of $26,750 of the Department of Education funds to produce and televise an appearance by President Bush at Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington, DC," Ford began. "As the chairman of the committee charged with the authorization and implementation of education programs, I am very much interested in the justification, rationale for giving the White House scarce education funds to produce a media event."

Unfortunately for Ford, the General Accounting Office concluded that the Bush administration had not acted improperly. "The speech itself and the use of the department's funds to support it, including the cost of the production contract, appear to be legal," the GAO wrote in a letter to Chairman Ford. "The speech also does not appear to have violated the restrictions on the use of appropriations for publicity and propaganda."

That didn't stop Democratic allies from taking their own shots at Bush. The National Education Association denounced the speech, saying it "cannot endorse a president who spends $26,000 of taxpayers' money on a staged media event at Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington, D.C. -- while cutting school lunch funds for our neediest youngsters."

Lost in all the denouncing and investigating was the fact that Bush's speech itself, like Obama's today, was entirely unremarkable. "Block out the kids who think it's not cool to be smart," the president told students. "If someone goofs off today, are they cool? Are they still cool years from now, when they're stuck in a dead end job. Don't let peer pressure stand between you and your dreams.

When Bush Spoke To Students, Democrats Investigated, Held Hearings

(Of course when the libtards do it, it's just peachy keen.)

The Democrats who bitched and called for an investigation were morons.

The Rethugs today however are using their propaganda outlets to whip up a mob of disinformed useful idiots in order to stifle rational debate under the guise of excercising free speech.

That makes 'em even bigger morons.

K?

Be Well.

Also the bitch there wasn't so much that the asshole gave a speech to kids.

/Seriously, why shouldn't the Prez talk to kids?
//They're citizens, he's their president too.

It was more the fact that he had the balls to take the funds to finance sed photo op moment outta scarce Education funds after having just cut them.

Anybody know if Obama paid for his speech outta those same funds?

Anybody care?

Personally Spud hopes he didn't cos that'd be cheeZy.

But you'll note the decided lack of manufactured lib mobs screaming into cameras on some mythical liberal counterpart to FOX about "brainwashing" and "neo-facism".

Be Well.

"The Democrats who bitched and called for an investigation were morons."

Anyone want to speculate how Obama would have reacted had he been in congress in 1991? I'm sure he would have sided against the chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee.

Newt Gingrich On Obama Back-To-School Speech: "I Recommend It To Everybody" (VIDEO)

Former Republican House Speaker Newt Gingrich spoke out Tuesday in support of President Obama's "back-to-school speech" delivered to school children across the country. Gingrich's remarks came in the wake of an outlandish controversy stirred up by conservative commentators over the address.

"President Reagan did it, President H.W. Bush did it," Gingrich said on NBC's "Today" show. "If he could give a speech tomorrow night in the tone of his speech today to the students, this country would be much better off ... It's a good speech, I recommend it to everybody if you have any doubts."

You might be a truly apeshit rwinger if....

Nutty Newty is the sane one in the bunch.

You could have picked ANY name and be recognizable. No one else butchers logic or English like you.

#281 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2009-

well let me go slowly here then

B i t e m y a s s

said he had his lips on bush's cock.

Because he does.

#283 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2009

well bob
so much for you apology post...

I agree with rush when this afternoon he gave his opinion of what THIS and the speech tomorrow night are all about
he had a disasterous two months of the summer and he had WHAT HE THOUGHT was a captive audinece today and he summoned a JOINT session usually reserved for something IMPORTANT in order to make an attempt at a poliitical comeback on govt takeover of health care.
its nothing more........and heres hoping he makes some comment like fox has been playing of clinton making threats right before his HC reform went under.

"Anybody know if Obama paid for his speech outta those same funds?"

Oh, gee. I just don't know. Oh I dearly hope not. That would be "cheezy." Not wrong like Bush was. Just cheezy breezy! Does anyone know? Oh my. Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

Let's see. School teachers across the country were mailed hard copy study packets and a letter from the Department of Education, complete with assignments and questions to ask their students.

Yeah, I'm sure the cost of this to the Department is well below what in 1991 was just $26,750. And I wonder how much the Department spent on Ph.D consultants to generate that accompanying study curriculum?

So are you still wondering if Department funds were used? Me thinks Mr. Potato Head's parents opted for the "public option" for his education.

BL2:

No need to say "I agree with Rush..." in your posts. We already know that is where you get your talking points from so it goes without being said.

that is where I get SOME information. I would get a lot from cnn if they covered anything other than michale jackson and whoever the hell larry king is interviewing
they sure as hell wont cover the czar's in obama white house

AND young lady
as I said..I agree with his opinion..thats different than just casting it off as talking points.

AND you might know a little more too if you didnt spend so much time doing all those silly little things like
working for a living and taking care of children and a man and putting food on the table and a roof over his head

you know...that silly stuff

OH SHIT

I Forgot I was talking to a DAMN YANKEE...see..that last post was like a ...you know...joke.

LOL

You know full well I take very good care of my man, BL2!!

Wasn't it you that said not too long ago that the conversation we had about him was the "sweetest thing you ever heard"??

Admit it!!!!

Who is bigger now Rush or Glenn.

Rush by a cubic yard.

#303....

The fake birth certificate of Hussein Obama is still a big issue....

Toward the final days of Bush's Presidency, disgruntled dems were still whining about the stolen elections....

I guess Obama's legacy of fake birth certificate, and that liberals imposed upon the nation an illegitimate President will be discused throughout history.

"WHERE IS THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?" The evidence is as genuine as evolution.

#322 | Posted by takitez at 2009-09-08 07:28 PM | Reply | Flag: batshit crazy and lies a lot

RUSH LIMBAUGH---Boy, if there was any doubt that man is a low classed POS, I'd say his comments today concerning Obama's speech put that to rest.

Standing back and listening, this is what I am hearing from those protesting:

1. Student Speech: There's a concern with Obama garnering allegiance to himself. Originally, it was previewed that Obama would ask students to send emails to "him" to help "him". Bush Sr. asked students to write "him" a letter to help achieve "our" goals.

Also, having a President give an assignment is thought to be akin to indoctrination or control as in a cult or Communistic setting.

There's just not a lot of trust especially, from what I hear, brining in Van Jones who has self professed Communistic and Marxist beliefs. And can someone who has such strong beliefs not try to push forth their beliefs and indoctrinations?

I have to wonder, myself, where is Michelle, Biden, Sharpton in all of this? I'm surprised we have not heard from them.

Laura Bush highly recommended that people let their children listen to Obama's Student Speech. Why wasn't Michelle doing the same since she supposedly has a lot of influence over the people of our country? Missed opportunity there?

2. Birth Certificate: The birth form that Obama presented does not show any kind of real proof of his birth in Hawaii.

The birth form he presented only required, at that time in Hawaii, that a relative step forward and say that he was born in Hawaii. No actual proof with physician's name and name of hospital was required nor presented.

In fact, two hospitals claim that he was born at their hospital -- that's eerily confusing.

3. Other concerns: Obama refuses to offer any school records, school papers, associations, or passports for inspection.

KG--not where I thought you were going, and why are you mixing the birth certificate with the speech controversy? Weird.

Two questions for you:

"In fact, two hospitals claim that he was born at their hospital -- that's eerily confusing." Huh? Really? They do? And why eerily? Do you think there's a 48-year-old conspiracy, a long-term plan in play? Or that both are lying? Odd.

"3. Other concerns: Obama refuses to offer any school records, school papers, associations, or passports for inspection."

Does he have to? Does any candidate? Why should a candidate's school records be inspected? I get financial records (sort of), but is a certain degree or grade level required to run for office? (Clearly not.)

Prag--

I think KG was listing All of the issues people protesting are yammering about.

"I think"....

As for the speech today--it was the same transcript and there wasn't anything indoctrinating about it.

It was the same as Bush 41 and Reagan did.

The schools dropped the assignment part afterwards.

My son's school didn't show the speech--too busy on the first day of school.

So they are showing it tomorrow.

Certificate was first mentioned 6 times in this blog #133. #135, #134, #142, #152, #303. I addressed it.

No, I don't think there's a 48-year conspiracy with hospitals regarding where Obama was born. What others are saying is that the proof provided actually isn't proof at all. Right now, for two hospitals to claim Obama was born at each facility at the same time negates each other; doesn't it?

I think it's eerie that hospitals don't know who is born at their facility -- just two people with no name? no parentage? Something's not right about that. Aren't records maintained? Wouldn't Obama's family have those records? Short of a natural disaster, families have birth records. These are the questions.

I would like to think that Obama would step up and recognize the correct hospital instead of letting it hang. Who doesn't want to say, Yeah, I was born there?

When there's such controversy, it helps to be open and not secretive. It releaves rumors, accusations and fear. And, right now, there's a lot of fear.

It's common sense. When people are honest and innocent, they speak up. It's human nature to defend oneself.

Keeping infomation closed just fuels the fire. If answers are provided, lives and issues move forward. I'd certainly like everyone to move on and get to the important issues of Obama's administration

But, many just can't seem to let these unanswered questions go. They want to know answers, and there's nothing wrong with providing answers to instill trust. People who hide things in their lives usually have something to hide.

Obama is the President. He makes policy. He leads our nation. Our lives depend upon him. Why shouldn't everyone know who their president is and what he is made of?

This is what I am hearing from those I've been watching. I'm interested in knowing their reasoning. When a person understands the reasoning behind other people's thoughts, actions, and fears, that person can properly address it. When these fears are properly addressed, the issues go away.

BTW, it was a wonderful speech. Hopefully, this is the same speech that was written before the protests; but we'll never know.

"Who doesn't want to say, Yeah, I was born there?"

Obama: Yeah, I was born there.

Birthers: He couldn't know that! That proves he's a furriner!!!

Certificate was first mentioned 6 times in this blog #133. #135, #134, #142, #152, #303. I addressed it.

No, I don't think there's a 48-year conspiracy with hospitals regarding where Obama was born. What others are saying is that the proof provided actually isn't proof at all. Right now, for two hospitals to claim Obama was born at each facility at the same time negates each other; doesn't it?

I think it's eerie that hospitals don't know who is born at their facility -- just two people with no name? no parentage? Something's not right about that. Aren't records maintained? Wouldn't Obama's family have those records? Short of a natural disaster, families have birth records. These are the questions.

I would like to think that Obama would step up and recognize the correct hospital instead of letting it hang. Who doesn't want to say, Yeah, I was born there?

When there's such controversy, it helps to be open and not secretive. It releaves rumors, accusations and fear. And, right now, there's a lot of fear.

It's common sense. When people are honest and innocent, they speak up. It's human nature to defend oneself.

Keeping infomation closed just fuels the fire. If answers are provided, lives and issues move forward. I'd certainly like everyone to move on and get to the important issues of Obama's administration

But, many just can't seem to let these unanswered questions go. They want to know answers, and there's nothing wrong with providing answers to instill trust. People who hide things in their lives usually have something to hide.

Obama is the President. He makes policy. He leads our nation. Our lives depend upon him. Why shouldn't everyone know who their president is and what he is made of?

This is what I am hearing from those I've been watching. I'm interested in knowing their reasoning. When a person understands the reasoning behind other people's thoughts, actions, and fears, that person can properly address it. When these fears are properly addressed, the issues go away.

BTW, it was a wonderful speech. Hopefully, this is the same speech that was written before the protests; but we'll never know.

As I recall, the last time the President spoke to schoolchildren, 9/11.

Then there were the millions of schoolchildren who watched Christa McAuliffe find God.

Obama would have to put on a pretty bad show to do worse than the Republicans.

Then there were the millions of schoolchildren who watched Christa McAuliffe find God

Whoa.

Snoofy, sorry bud but had to flag you for the Christa McAuliffe jab. That has nothing to do with presidential speeches.

#333

Flagging someone and talking about it on your very first post?!?

What other name(s) have you posted under?

Flagging someone and talking about it on your very first post?!?

What other name(s) have you posted under?

No shit,I was thinking the same thing.I have yet to learn how to flag something.OTOH he is Hitech.

I used to fear the Christian Right frankly,
and think they were the enemy of all thinking
Americans...and don't get me wrong, they still
pretty much are....BUT

now they mostly just make me laugh...
their quasi-racist "Act", has gotten
so pathetic, so incredibly sad...

Glenn Beck makes me laugh the hardest.
What a pathetic little Snake Oil Salesman.

"What a Nin-Cow-Poop, what a Maroon"
--says in his best Bugs Bunny voice.

Once upon a time the republican party was the conservative party. It has of late completely transmogrified into a reactionary party.

Be careful my friends on the other side of the Mason-Dixon Line! Too many associations in the minds of Americans of the word "GOP" with the word "stupid" might begin to stick.

Snoofy, sorry bud but had to flag you for the Christa McAuliffe jab. That has nothing to do with presidential speeches.

Yes it does. The Shuttle launched under political pressure from the White House to get their Teacher in Space photo-op.

(As it turned out, Peggy Noonan's "Face of God" speech, delivered by Reagan that night, was probably his most memorable as President.)

And there's no denying that millions of American schoolchildren were herded into libraries and cafeterias to watched a staged White House media event.

If you can't see the relevance, I can only assume your brain has suffered a major downrange malfunction. :)

"BTW, it was a wonderful speech. Hopefully, this is the same speech that was written before the protests; but we'll never know."

Thanks for clarifying the rest of your thoughts. I still don't agree, but you present clearly and without hatred or evil-conspiracy rhetoric. That's someone I can converse with.

As for that last part, "we'll never know," why does it even occur to you? I don't get why people assume that this president is up to something evil. Okay, so what did Mr. Reagan _really_ want to say in his speech? (Did he ever release the transcript ahead of time?) What did Mr. Bush and the other Mr. Bush _really_ want to say in their speeches? We'll never know.

Obama the lying lowest form of scum on the earth pitched health care reform to kids -
he just kept it off camera -
He ended up, beforehand, giving the speech that he originally intended to give on the air (before he got bitch slapped).

"Obama the lying lowest form of scum on the earth pitched health care reform to kids"

Doc--

You know he's just trying to get you going, right?

That said, I'm laughing at Roper. Two to three paragraphs on health care out of maybe 40 paragraphs of pre-speech discussion. Give it up, man. Yeah, okay, he wangled in a comment on health care. _Maybe_ there's a tiny bit of poor taste. But it's hardly an indicator that he's a lying sack of shit or Chairman Mao come back to life.

It is to laugh.

PRAGMATIST -

Yeah, but sometimes it's fun to get Fredo in a corner. Even he can't be so stupid as to not know that all he gets here is his ass handed to him on a regular basis.

I agree with you on Obama's comments. Sure, he'll get something in when he can. But these guys think he's a blend of Pol Pot, Kim Il-Sung, Joseph Stalin, Adolph Hitler, and the X-Files's "Tooms." (With just a soupcon of Professor Moriarty tossed in for good measure.)

"Obama, lowest form of scum on the earth...."

You either don't get out much or there's something wrong with you. I suppose both could be true.

Were you wearing yer gold lame tuxedo or yer prom dress avec tiara when you wrote that?

Be Well.

#284 | Posted by dethspud at 2009

NO

lame makes my butt look too big

RUSH LIMBAUGH---Boy, if there was any doubt that man is a low classed POS, I'd say his comments today concerning Obama's speech put that to rest.

#324 | Posted by Zed at 2009

it also puts to rest any accusation that he is lieing about it

you glossy eyed dupes just dont get it

when it comes to obama speeches

ITS ALL ABOUT HIM

Once upon a time the republican party was the conservative party. It has of late completely transmogrified into a reactionary party.

Be careful my friends on the other side of the Mason-Dixon Line! Too many associations in the minds of Americans of the word "GOP" with the word "stupid" might begin to stick.

#337 | Posted by TurnLeftb42late at 2009

what you are seeing is people BY THE MILLIONS standing up for thier values in the line of fire form democrat elitists and their cultist minions.
what you hear from us now you are correct..REACTION to the same old tired bullshit from the left and we simply dont take your shit anymore.

and the asshole from nbc..john whatshisname who said yesterday or the day before that people who objected to the president talking to their own children were just too stupid to even raise those children.,....another elitists media member who is going to wonder what happened in 2010 and blame it all on beck and fox instead of the goddamn democrats like himslef

Afk--Did you read the speech? Do you think it has a bad message? Seems to me it says much of what you want from children and citizens.

it is NOt a bad message. but its the messenger that we simply dont trust. may be sad to say but its the truth.

and as I have said before..IF there had been just another let obama do whatever he wanted there would have been problems with what the white house and dept of education first wantet to do
whats the sudden problem with some checks and balances since the democrat congress wont do it?

"it is NOt a bad message. but its the messenger that we simply dont trust. may be sad to say but its the truth.

and as I have said before..IF there had been just another let obama do whatever he wanted there would have been problems with what the white house and dept of education first wantet to do
whats the sudden problem with some checks and balances since the democrat congress wont do it?
#349 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-09-09 12:04 PM "

REPEATEDLY, there have been claims on this thread (and elsewhere) that the problem is either what was in the "lesson plans" and/or what was in the "original speech".

OK, how about trotting out SPECIFICALLY what was in the "lesson plans" and/or the "original speech" that is objectionable. BTW, provide a link to back up your claim and not just 'what you've heard'.

Otherwise, why would ANYONE trust those who object???

that may be hard to do since the white house pulled them back so quickly which in itself is an indictment of them.
write about how you can help him and how he inspires you?
please. AGAIN...its a mistrust of the man himslef which has been developed with more than a couple of cases.

ALSO it followed on the heals of a disasterous couple of months and JUST LIKE THE SPEECH tonight could have been used to upgrade his poll numbers.
with students? of course it could have.

the other thing
some schools having the temerity(sp) to tell parents that thier children had to listen to it or get unexcused abscences.
AND obama uses this to his advantage while at the same time TAKING SCHOOL CHOICE away from students in DC all of which adds to the general distrust.

AGAIN

a mass media big deal with his appearance at the one school
and the other 'hoopla'

why not send out the message online and leave it at that??

because he is a camera whore..
just look at the number of times he has been on national tv and all over the place.

"write about how you can help him and how he inspires you?"

Sorry, but it was "How can you help the president?" Context: in the educational goals provided. This is the EXACT same prompt used by GHWB in 1991. Did you people pitch a fit then?

"the other thing
some schools having the temerity(sp) to tell parents that thier children had to listen to it or get unexcused abscences."

That's the school's fault, not his or the White House's or the DoE's. Afk, you were a teacher; you know how this shit works. And if you or someone else has a problem with material being presented in school, see my four questions earlier in this thread.

"AND obama uses this to his advantage while at the same time TAKING SCHOOL CHOICE away from students in DC all of which adds to the general distrust."

Huh?

"why not send out the message online and leave it at that??"

Because politicians use all available media to get their word out. If GWB had been better at speeches, he would have used media more. Fairly simple, really. In general, having an audience is better than not--visually, unless the audience hates you. Because it's an education speech, you want to have it with students.

Clear that you hate the messenger, not the message. I'll turn it around. If Bush had done the same thing, would you approach it with the same amount of anger and frustration and mistrust? (That's rhetorical.)

The real fear by the right-wing is that Obama will get kids to study hard, read and educate themselves.
The last thing the righties want is an educated electorate.

"The result of the educative process is capacity for further education".
John Dewey (1859-1952) U.S. philosopher and educator.

"that may be hard to do since the white house pulled them back so quickly which in itself is an indictment of them.
write about how you can help him and how he inspires you?"

So...
In this day/age (Internet, YouTube, video, webcam, and even Xerox, etc. etc.) and literally MILLIONS of folks EAGER to pounce an ANYTHING untoward about President Obama that there is NO evidence of this? It's ALL been removed??? WOW, I guess I should be scared that President Obama is SO powerful ;-)! I rarely stoop to using this term, but it is so appropriate/succinct in this case: BULLSHIT! The fact is you're basing your argument on dubious hearsay and got called on it.

"please. AGAIN...its a mistrust of the man himslef which has been developed with more than a couple of cases."

I get that you mistrust President Obama. Fine. I'm just noting that, without actual evidence, you mistrust President Obama because of your mistrust of him. Got it. Good luck with that ;-)!!!

"ALSO it followed on the heals of a disasterous couple of months and JUST LIKE THE SPEECH tonight could have been used to upgrade his poll numbers.
with students? of course it could have."

OK. So, is your point that a politician might give a speech in hopes that it will increase his poll numbers? WOW, thanx for the insight! Excuse me while I DON'T write that down. As long as you are ruminating about President Obama's motives and his poll numbers, don't forget to consider two salient facts:
1. While the DROP in poll numbers has been large, it is more an indication of the lofty STARTING POLL NUMBERS that President Obama had rather than ACTUAL LOW POLL NUMBERS (like a recent certain someone we all know and SOME love) and
2. Much of that drop has come from Democrats and Libertarians that are disappointed that President Obama has not done MORE and/or are impatient.

"the other thing
some schools having the temerity(sp) to tell parents that thier children had to listen to it or get unexcused abscences.
AND obama uses this to his advantage while at the same time TAKING SCHOOL CHOICE away from students in DC all of which adds to the general distrust.
#351 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-09-09 12:43 PM"

Sorry, but your credibility has been shown to be (at best) "suspect". Link or stink...
Meanwhile, I'd suggest that you look up the definition of "temerity" to see if that's what you had intended. BTW, congrats on actually spelling temerity CORRECTLY (even tho' you thought you had spelled it wrong)! It's a start.

"If you give up on education, you don't only give up on yourself, you give up on ze Fatherland!...By the way, don't ask me what my grades were...."

Jon, you ass. You're a _teacher_, right? So what was wrong with the speech? You really don't believe that a president can or should exhort students to study hard and have goals? Wow.

What if Bush had given the same speech? Oh, yeah, that's right--he was too busy selling NCLB to _students_. (See NCLB link on the other thread.)

Btw, I also think it's funny that people are worried about President Obama's records and how he got into the schools he got into, when we know that the previous president's grades were Cs at best and that he was a legacy student. But that's okay because we know that? Really, it's just about knowing? Hm.

I don't know what to say to you, JON----You and millions of people are back-handedly wishing drop-out status on kids. Just to spite Obama? Ye gods.

This perverseness starts with RUSH LIMBAUGH, who really is a lout, and ends with you.

The problem, Zed, is that it _won't_ end with him.

Surprising that even with all liberal media outlets lionising Obama and demonising his detractors, Barry is still having to take back steps to make his points across....

Keep at it, Rush. You alone has shoved fingers thru liberal a***s.

You deserve all the millions of dollars you get for irritating dems.

Try Nagasaurus (or Naga-soreass) too. Hottest in the world. Guinnes.