Winning hearts and minds...

Sweet, it's 2002 again.

Oops!

Here's the thread link

Are we talking about another surge. It worked before.

"It worked before."

While our troops maintained their presence in neighborhoods but it sure sounds to me as if the violence in Iraq is back up. I wish the General well and hope he succeeds but I really don't think we can win in Afghanistan. Sooner or later we will have to end our occupation and the same forces we fight now will return. I'm sorry but I think this will end up being Obama's Vietnam.

but it sure sounds to me as if the violence in Iraq is back up

That's only because the main stream media has picked it up...

but I really don't think we can win in Afghanistan

Actually, I do. But of course, it's going to take the people of this shithole to actually do it. Their police force is going to have to be alot bigger in order to make it happen. It's really hearting to see the people going out to vote and it feels good to see them coming up to you with the ink stained fingers. But then the taliban were cutting off some of those fingers. Who is there to protect them? We cant be everywhere and it makes me angry as an american. But the people have to protect themselves. We are winning this war, just like we were in Iraq, but once we leave, it's up to the people to sustain THEIR peace, not the taliban's.

"But the people have to protect themselves. We are winning this war, just like we were in Iraq, but once we leave, it's up to the people to sustain THEIR peace, not the taliban's."

Considering the sacrifices to get this far I sincerely hope you're right. I unfortunately though, have serious doubts.

General McChrystal is totally incompetent. Since he came on the scene, Afghan freedom-fighter activity has escalated many times.

It's really hearting to see the people going out to vote

Oh.. you mean "vote" in those fake elections? Fake votes and rigging and cheating accusations everywhere? Those "elections"? LOL

Fake elections make you happy? Figures.

We cant be everywhere and it makes me angry as an american.

You are nowhere and THAT should make you angry.

Where is O'Binbin, dude? LOL

Isn't this the usual Pentagon game plan?

S N A F U

Tell me how that is different from any conflict we have been in since WWII ended.

We have aproached military operations like we were a bunch of cops in downtown USA.

Shoot only after you have been shot at and have permission to shoot back from some general somewhere.

The enemy and the civilians look alike. The enemy don't wear unforms. But, don't shoot someone that says he isn't an enemy.

When you capture someone on the battlefield you have to say please and thank you. Don't forget to read him his rights. Don't forget to tell him he doesn't have to tell you anything. Oh ya, have a lawyer nor you and for him as soon as you can get one. Remember his lawyer comes first.

You are right general we are fucked up but it has been for over 60 years.

that is because the heart and soul of america is good ol' fashioned Teddy Roosevelt/Woodrow Wilson PROGRESSIVISM-- its supposed to put a heart to good ol fashioned imperial leanings.

It's quite amusing to watch people jump up and down regarding the whole domestic health care thing complaining about "big govt" and then when the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are brought up they turn around and are for big obtrusive govt policing the world atht he cost of a few hundred billion a year..

this has been going on since 1898.
hypocrites.

Cindy Sheehan, where are you! Save us!

As evidenced in the last Cindy Sheehan thread, Liberals don't like her anymore. She questioned their hero of the day.

one day, teddy roosevelt, who HATED woodrow wilson, realized that wilson was saying the same things about needing to make the world safe for democracy and that america's moral duty was to be the policeman of the world that he was when he was secretary of the navy in 1898 before he pushed for a false flag op that set the stage with war with spain and also when he ran on the bull moose ticket in '12.

it only proves that dems and gop'ers are alike and there's no real difference. they use their liberal and or conservative "values" as a springboard to power and once they get there they act like each other. it has been proven time and time again. if one didn't know any better, they'd have sworn the last Bush administration was a democrat admin!

"the strategy of the past eight years had been disastrous."

That's mah legacification you're talkin' about!

George W0-L2 Bush.

While our troops maintained their presence in neighborhoods but it sure sounds to me as if the violence in Iraq is back up. I wish the General well and hope he succeeds but I really don't think we can win in Afghanistan. Sooner or later we will have to end our occupation and the same forces we fight now will return. I'm sorry but I think this will end up being Obama's Vietnam.

#4 | Posted by danni at 2009-08-31 05:21 PM

An unmitigated cluster f*ck...no matter which
side is in charge...(Reps or Dems)...

this war needed to end yesterday, but in all likely-
hood will drag on and Sap the U.S. economy
to the tune of 2 billion/month for the next decade...

I can think of WAAAAAAAY better ways to spend
2 billion a month...

options...

1). rebuild our crumbling infrastructure
(bridges, roads, that sort of hoohaa nonsense)
2). add a decent mass transit train/subway system
the 50 largest U.S. cities. Or at least the
25 largest.
3). hire more/better teachers, give teachers a
raise, and limit class sizes to under 25 in
almost all cases.
4). fund more/faster research into alternative
fuels, or fuel production, transportation,
distribution, techniques.
5). same as no. 4 but for infrastructure to
distribute, store such energy.

I could go all day...

Mark my words, THIS and not Health Care or
anything else, will be Obama's biggest mistake.

Who didn't know a larger footprint in Afghanistan was a bad idea? Didn't we learn anything from the Russians?

3). hire more/better teachers, give teachers a
raise, and limit class sizes to under 25 in
almost all cases.
Posted by earthmuse

I'd give them the 25% pay cut they rightly deserve.

Didn't we learn anything from the Russians?

well, we do seem to be implementing socialism quite well.

That's right, WISGOD---Punish the teachers. Evil whelps.

I see there's lots of people who prefer Afghanistan as a Taliban/al Qaeda home base.

But fortunately we have soldiers like this General McChrystal who can see a positive endgame in the near future.

Also fortunately, the Taliban doesn't have a major western power flowing arms and training to them like the Russians had to face.

That's right, WISGOD---Punish the teachers. Evil whelps.

#21 | Posted by Zed

Not sure about evil, but under achieving whelps, unmotivated whelps, unable to function in the private sector whelps, and overpaid part time whelps comes to mind.

"OBAMA LYING, SOLDIERS DYING!

Cindy Sheehan, where are you! Save us!"

#11 | Posted by libtwisted

She is in MASS protesting OBAMA dumbass.

The liberals dont like Obama they are about ready to dump him - get real rightard!

You got your head so f***ing far up your asshole you cant SEE reality and DONT really WANT to know what is happening in the REAL world because it would burst that little bubble on your wingnut universe!

Not the teachers I know, WISGOD. Teaching is a tough job, and only the tough do well in it. That's an observation, not an opinion.

Did something strange happen to some previous posts? If someone is editing stuff, you're years too late, and focusing on material that is much, much too mild to bother with.

Don't worry. Our Fuhrer will sit down with them and simply talk them into giving up....

#27

You mean like this?

Nuclear negotiator: Iran ready for talks with West

Does anyone know what even means to win in Afghanistan? Seriously?

Also fortunately, the Taliban doesn't have a major western power flowing arms

They do actually. The US is "arming" them... sort of.

They steal/buy American and NATO weapons and use them against you. The Pentagon classified it as a serious problem.

2). add a decent mass transit train/subway system
the 50 largest U.S. cities. Or at least the
25 largest.

You mean like this?

Nuclear negotiator: Iran ready for talks with West

news.yahoo.com

#28 | Posted by Corky at 2009-09-01 11:14 AM | Reply

Put down your pom poms and let us know when the "talks" produce anything, anything at all.

How many times have we "talked" to the North Koreans? Yeah, that's what I thought.

There is no "winnable" war in afghanistan. Al queda has been allowed to skip over to pakistan and the west is left fighting a war against pashtun afghan factions, much as the Russians did. You'll notice that afghanis from non-pashtun areas (most of afghanistan) aren't doing any fighting in hellmand or kabul. In fact, you don't hear a damn thing from those areas. I expect they are still warlord run neo-taliban theocracies.

Bottom line is karsick will cut a deal with the taliban and give them a waziristan-like safe zone in return for peace. Obama will be given an airbase or two from which to launch drone attacks into pakistan targetting any al queda that bubble up.

America: another in a long line of nation/states fated to die in the 'graveyard of empires'.

... sort of.

Tosser's strongest point yet.

Let me know when a major western power flows billions of dollars of arms, munitions, and training to them, 'K?

IN the meantime, protecting citizens and killing terrorists isn't nearly as formidable a project as the Russians had.

How many times have we "talked" to the North Koreans? Yeah, that's what I thought.

#31 | Posted by 101Chairborne

In the last 8 years?

Same number of times that you got laid.

Zero.

Ah, the "private sector"....the same that almost caused a second depression. Yes, let's run government like a business, so that when it fails the leaders can take their multi-million dollar golden parachute and destroy another industry.

IN the meantime, protecting citizens and killing terrorists isn't nearly as formidable a project as the Russians had.

#34 | Posted by Corky at 2009-09-01 11:18 AM | Reply

Yet we're failing miserably...According to Generals.

In the last 8 years?

Same number of times that you got laid.

Zero.

#35 | Posted by Corky at 2009-09-01 11:19 AM | Reply

How disingenuous. I expect nothing less. Seriously, when you resort to lying, you've lost, but you knew that already.

In the last 8 years?

Same number of times that you got laid.

Zero.

#35 | Posted by Corky

What's Hillary waiting for? The dry cleaners to drop off the fucking pants suit?

Let me know when a major western power flows billions of dollars of arms, munitions, and training to them, 'K?

True, it is not at the same level, but 80,000 guns "missing" at last count (6 months ago), is a pretty big number.

As for training.. they don't need it anymore. The old one we trained long ago are still around and have trained the new ones. This has been well documented.

The last admin's policies are failing miserably.

This is Obama's guy making changes. Do try and keep up.

protecting citizens and killing terrorists isn't nearly as formidable a project as the Russians had.

They were doing the same... protecting Kabul from the "freedom fighters" and killing anyone who was thought to be against them.... including shooting up weddings with their gunships (you tend to bomb them).

Same thing. Exactly.

I hate the whole "I have a friend" thing because it makes it sound like the poster is making stuff up, but I have a friend who served in both Afganistan (about 5 years ago) and just got back from Iraq about 9 mos ago. He tells me the problem with the "hearts and minds" strategy is that tribal leaders in Afganistan are liars and cheats. They will take from the US with one hand and stroke the Taliban with the other (this is a more polite way of restating his example).

This is Obama's guy making changes. Do try and keep up.

And failing miserably so far. Do try and keep up.

And failing miserably so far. Do try and keep up.

#44 | Posted by Tosser at 2009-09-01 11:26 AM | Reply

He's only been in office for 7 months. It's not like the Generals have been saying things are bad and getting worse daily for the past seven months.
Things like this take time. We're adding more troops, but that has nothing to do with the ever increasing number of troops being killed. A larger footprint is the answer.
-Corky

Seriously Corky, you're blind allegiance is causing you to look an even bigger tard. I'm sure you aren't blind to your obvious hypocrisy.

I'm afraid you've fallen into the whirlpool of wingnuttery, Chairpoodle.

"The new US commander in Afghanistan, General Stanley McChrystal" was hired some month ago for just this purpose, to re-evaluate strategy and make recommendations.

Again, perhaps you missed that while being dazzled by the brilliance of people like Rush, Sarah, and Glen.

And failing miserably so far. Do try and keep up.

#44 | Posted by Tosser

Guy make his first report with reccomendations and Tosser can't tell that from "failing miserably so far".

I never knew Tosser and Poodle had so much in common.....

for a long time the dems screamed that we needed more in afganistan and less in iraq...so whats the problem...I mean they know everything there is to know about all of this stuff according to john kerry..I mean he was in vietnam you know.

so do they need more time?? because I would be willing to give them that but IM not willing to hear the asshole ignoramous GIBBS talk about 'the years and years of neglect'...
the war on terror version of 'we inherited it'
barry is WAY past all that shit

7 months to make a first report? Does Obama care that little about our troops?

Why has it taken 7 months for Obama to get somebody to make reccomendations? Was he unaware that we were engaged in Afghanistan when he was running for President?

Guy make his first report with reccomendations and Tosser can't tell that from "failing miserably so far".

If you were keeping a close eye on what has been going on since June, you would see that America is just spinning it's wheels in the mud and going nowhere.

The British are saying the same.

Nobody is saying this to his face but McCrystal is a failed General when it comes to Afghanistan. He has gotten more people killed in July and August than the last guy did. LOL

I never knew Tosser and Poodle had so much in common.....

#47 | Posted by Corky at 2009-09-01 11:39 AM | Reply

Who would have guessed people from different parts of the world would like to point out blatant hypocrisy and call you out on being an Obama cheerleader?

Honestly Corky, watching you in this thread is mortifying.

I never knew Tosser and Poodle had so much in common.....

Oh? Last time I checked I don't look like THIS:

Honestly Corky, watching you in this thread is mortifying.

Lay off the kid, Poop. He is only trying to find a ray of sunshine in all them dark clouds.

Why has it taken 7 months for Obama to get somebody to make reccomendations? Was he unaware that we were engaged in Afghanistan when he was running for President?

It's hard to sell the lie as the President who will end the war when you're planning military strategy.

Honestly Corky, watching you in this thread is mortifying.

In any thread lately. I used to think that boyd was the most dysfunctional poster here with corky as a close second, but shit -- it's a photo finish between the two lately. I think corky just molted or something. His skin seems extraordinarily thin lately.

obama = corporate military terrorist. just like the last nazi.

"Why has it taken 7 months for Obama to get somebody to make reccomendations? Was he unaware that we were engaged in Afghanistan when he was running for President?"

#49 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2009-09-01 11:43 AM

Didn't it take Bush a few years to get recommendations eventually leading to the "surge"? A simple snapshot doesn't help you very much when the situation is constantly changing.

McChrystal took command in Afghanistan in mid-June, after his predecessor was fired.

Didn't it take Bush a few years to get recommendations eventually leading to the "surge"? A simple snapshot doesn't help you very much when the situation is constantly changing.

He had an excuse...he's a fucking retard.

We blew it in Afghanistan. The only shot we had to prevent the Taliban from coming back would have been to leave the Northern Alliance warlords in charge and even that was a longshot because they were mostly ethnic minorities. Once we got involved with this nation building shit, it was all over. Best we can hope for now is that we bothered them enough to incent them to cut their ties with people who actively attack us.

The best we can do hear is learn: Use the military for military missions. Nation building is not a military mission. If someone attacks you, you don't need to make up this "spreading democracy" bullshit as an excuse to hammer them. The fact that they attacked you is excuse enough. And of course, focus your invasion on the correct country.

Really if they give us trouble again, we should nuke them forward into the stone age. ;)

Does anyone know what even means to win in Afghanistan? Seriously?

#29 | Posted by Salaryman

BHO has no goals there, no definition of winning, and no exit stragety. Where have I heard that before?

McChrystal took command in Afghanistan in mid-June, after his predecessor was fired.

And made July and then August the "deadliest month for American troops" since the beginning of the action against the taliban.

Looks like the guy was in a hurry to make his mark and got people killed.

He is the single guy most responsible for Obama's "surge" failing.

Would you like to bet he will also be fired in a year or so? LOL

It's hard to sell the lie as the President who will end the war when you're planning military strategy.

#54 | Posted by IraqiBukkake at 2009-

its all going to be okay...hasnt the media been showing us protests by shehan while the pres was vactioning.

OOPS>...........

or maybe they broadcast protests from all over the world about it

oops...........

well surely they had some code pink protesters.

oops.......

ACTUALLY...I may be about to become one of those 50 something per cent that are really questioning the afghan situation......hopefully its just a matter of needing more troops as in the surge..
any bets on obama PRAISING a surge of HIS making...

.hopefully its just a matter of needing more troops as in the surge..

Typical General Motors thinking... make 'em bigger, we'll be fine!

And where did THAT get you???

I may be about to become one of those 50 something per cent that are really questioning the afghan situation...

What about all these soldiers dying in vain?

any bets on obama PRAISING a surge of HIS making...

#64 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-09-01 11:59 AM

"The troop surge in Iraq has been more successful than anyone could have imagined"

Barack Obama on Bill O'Reilly 9/4/2008

He seems to have no trouble giving credit where it is due. You on the other hand...

McChrystal took command in Afghanistan in mid-June, after his predecessor was fired.

#58 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2009-09-01 11:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

And has just given his report.

Really Chairpoodle/Tosser, you should try reading articles before posting, that way won't look like an ignorant oil rig worker.

Really Chairpoodle/Tosser, you should try reading articles before posting, that way won't look like an ignorant oil rig worker.

I can't speak for the other two gentlemen you have insulted, but in my case, I have read the article.

It is like telling Santa, "I wanna bike"... LOL

However, I am also responding to you in light of the other knowledge I have gained, keeping an eye on the news, knowing the effectiveness (or lack of) your soldiers in the Afghan theater and the sheer insincerity of your elected officials and law-makers in general.

Rest assured, this General-saab is only spinning his wheels. He is not going places and he is not up to the job.

that way won't look like an ignorant oil rig worker.

There are indeed a couple of them out here. I guess corky could relate to them.

One of them is damn good on the grill, though. I'm still picking steak out from between my teeth right now.

What about all these soldiers dying in vain?

#66 | Posted by IraqiBukkake at 2009

that is of course the underlying thing isnt it?
that and the millions in iraq who are free from the sadamm shackles

-He is not going places and he is not up to the job.

Thank you, Momma Tosser, Psychic Extraordinaire.

If we ever need a sideshow, we'll be sure to call.

In the meantime, Chairpoodle/Tosser saying that the man has failed before he started is rather humorous, what?

Thank you, Momma Tosser, Psychic Extraordinaire.

And amateur military analyst... and a great lover... and an excellent pizza chef.

I am a man for all seasons.

Tosser saying that the man has failed before he started is rather humorous, what?

Your faith in a man who is getting his own people (and the Brits) killed right, left and center, is... touching.

Clever people can see where this guy is headed. Into the dumpster, that's where. LOL

Clever Tosser.

Clever Tosser.

comps.fotosearch.com

Sorry... the "Chimpy" persona is already taken.

that and the millions in iraq who are free from the sadamm shackles

#71 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-09-01 12:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Bush killed more Iraqis than Saddam in less time. Their "freedom" came at a terrible price. Saddam was said to have killed 250,000 since 1968--and it took over 40 years to reach that number.

Since General-saab took over, the British medical facility at Kandahar airbase (the largest NATO base in the world) can't cope with the wounded and had to rush in teams of American doctors to help.

Since this silly General took over, the taliban have set off two, three, bomb attacks in Kabul, killing 40, 50 people each time.

Since this General took over, the taliban have attacked Kandahar as well. LOL

The man is a failure. He can make as many reports as he likes. All reports look good on paper... they always do. But....

Bush killed more Iraqis than Saddam in less time. Their "freedom" came at a terrible price. Saddam was said to have killed 250,000 since 1968--and it took over 40 years to reach that number.

www.theonion.com

da bOoB is citing the Onion for his 'facts' now? LOL This is too fucking much. I knew he shunned reality, but The Onion?

bOoB, you do realize The Onion is a spoof news site, don't you? What a fucking idiot.

Where is the U.S. press in all of this? All we heard about during the Bush admin. was Iraq, Iraq, Iraq... Now nothing! CBS, NBC & ABC are all complicit. Could it be more obvious!

#77 | Posted by Tosser at 2009-09-01 12:42 PM | Reply | Flag: The perfect reverse barometer

from above...

"There is no "winnable" war in afghanistan..."

#32 | Posted by northguy3 at 2009-09-01 11:18 AM

Agreed. And the sooner Obama and the majority of
the American public come to this conclusion the
better. 2 billion a month, and what will be the
difference if we stay there 10 more years vs. 2 more weeks?

Just more American dead and debt...

10 minutes after we leave Afghanistan, civil war
will break out no matter how long we stay...

let them In-fight for the next 5 years I say...
bring our boys home.

When is Obama going to shut off the internet?

10 minutes after we leave Afghanistan, civil war
will break out no matter how long we stay...

More like 5 minutes.

When is Obama going to shut off the internet?

If someone turns in one more fishy email about his health care plan, it's bye bye drudge.

The perfect reverse barometer

Like I said, I find your faith "touching".

Where is the U.S. press in all of this? All we heard about during the Bush admin. was Iraq, Iraq, Iraq... Now nothing! CBS, NBC & ABC are all complicit. Could it be more obvious!

#79 | Posted by tennisnut at 2009-09-01 12:47 PM

I read articles in the NY Times every day about Iraq and Afghanistan. The AP is still reporting as much as ever. But I guess because some on the left aren't making a huge song and dance about it for you to froth from the mouth at as you shit the lazy-boy chair again, you can't be bothered to know the information still exists. Motivation is key to learning.

bOoB, you do realize The Onion is a spoof news site, don't you? What a fucking idiot.

#78 | Posted by goatman at 2009-09-01 12:45 PM

#22 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-09-01 11:29 AM

Bush killed more Iraqis than Saddam in less time. Their "freedom" came at a terrible price. Saddam was said to have killed 250,000 since 1968--and it took over 40 years to reach that number.

www.theonion.com

da bOoB is citing the Onion for his 'facts' now? LOL This is too fucking much. I knew he shunned reality, but The Onion?

bOoB, you do realize The Onion is a spoof news site, don't you? What a fucking idiot.

#78 | Posted by goatman

It's going to be hard working the rest of the day in my dirty pee pants. Thanks, Boob.

"Since this General took over, the taliban have attacked Kandahar as well. LOL"

You mean he is making the Taliban angry??
Oh gee, we wouldn't want to do that.
BTW, how many Taliban have been killed, you seem to have left that out of your post???

BTW, how many Taliban have been killed, you seem to have left that out of your post???

That's because the number of "taliban" killed is a lie since mostly civilians are killed and labeled "taliban".

And as military history tells us the question to ask isn't "how many taliban died"... the question to ask is "how many still left".

And the answer is, "around ten million".

Good luck. LOL

And the answer is, "around ten million".

#90 | Posted by Tosser at 2009-09-01 01:23 PM

Oh... and the kill-ratio, will always be in the American's favor (thanks to air-support, superior weaponry, etc)... but then the kill-ratio was overwhelmingly in the American's favor in Vietnam too... where you lost.

Only a fool will look at kill-ratios to judge a guerrilla war.

However, if you insist, then my impression is that the kill-ratio too has gone down since the last 2 months.

I hope your ass is a reliable source of information.

10 million is the number of Pashtuns in Afghanistan.

You are no longer fighting the "taliban". It is clear you are now at war with a Pashtun nation. They sure see it that way since you deprived them from the political process.

As I said, Good Luck... you're gonna need it. LOL

The "taliban" might give them ideas... but make no mistake. You are now fighting ordinary afghan farmers in increasing numbers.

I guess they got tired of being bombed at their weddings.

"Good Luck... you're gonna need it. LOL"

luck won't work.

Saddam was said to have killed 250,000 since 1968--and it took over 40 years to reach that number.

This is what is so fucking incredible -- even if da bOoB thought that the Onion was a real news source, how could he be so stupid as to think that Saddam had been killing people since 1928 (40 years before 1968) when he was born in 1937? Not to mention he didn't come to power until 1979 -- not 1969.

bOoB -- honestly, you ought to check out reality sometime. This is a completely different planet than the imaginary one you have constructed in your tiny little mind. A whole lot different -- believe me.

luck won't work.

I was trying to be kind. Everyone needs hope. Hope is good.

#87 ff

This is what is so fucking incredible -- even if da bOoB thought that the Onion was a real news source, how could he be so stupid as to think that Saddam had been killing people since 1928 (40 years before 1968) when he was born in 1937? Not to mention he didn't come to power until 1979 -- not 1969.

Anyone see that 4 part mini-series? "House of Saddam"?

Excellent EXCELLENT drama. I highly recommend it.

The Israeli actor who plays Saddam is very convincing.

Bush killed more Iraqis than Saddam in less time. Their "freedom" came at a terrible price. Saddam was said to have killed 250,000 since 1968--and it took over 40 years to reach that number.

www.theonion.com

This is fucking awesome.

www.theonion.com

This is fucking awesome.

Ummm... you did get the joke, yeah?

He copy/pasted from the Onion. LOL

"I guess they got tired of being bombed at their weddings."

Really? Unless I don't want to be there in the first place and am looking to sneak out early, I love getting bombed at weddings.

www.theonion.com

This is fucking awesome

Bob providing an Onion link?

Yup, that's one's an instant Classic.

The link itself is pretty funny too.

Did anybody else actually read the linked piece?

Essentially it's a typical Onion piece where a pissed off Saddam dismisses claims that "Bush Killed more than Saddam" by citing his many and numerous atrocities.

Funneh stuff.

At no point does BBob actually c&p from the article however despite a coupla folks hereabouts making that claim.

/Why yes Tosser and Goat, Spud *is* looking at the pair of yas.

Bush claimed that Saddam killed 900,000 people over 23 years in power.

Of course that includes 500,000 from the Iraq/Iran war and, fer some odd reason, Bush reckons the 100,000 troops virtually slaughtered w/o quarter on the highway of death by Dumbya's daddy should count on Saddam's tally sheet and not Team Bush.

The verifiable, as in 'we can show you the bodies', count from Baghdad city is over 100,000 by now.

The real number of Iraqi dead in toto attributable to the war and it's inevitable consequences is estimated at well over a million however.

Bob is most likely right that Bush killed more than Saddam.

Be Well.

McChrystal took command in Afghanistan in mid-June, after his predecessor was fired.

#58 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2009-09-01 11:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

And has just given his report.

Really Chairpoodle/Tosser, you should try reading articles before posting, that way won't look like an ignorant oil rig worker.

#68 | Posted by Corky at 2009-09-01 12:13 PM | Reply

So it took Obama until Mid-June to put somebody in place that he thought could do the job? The question remains, why does Obama care so little that he waited so long?
Am I to understand he was just throwing troops at the situation without even understanding it? Holy shit, it's worse than I had originally thought.

Bring on your worthless and transparent spin, I can't fucking wait.

Why yes Tosser and Goat, Spud *is* looking at the pair of yas.

I bow my head in shame.

I wuz only repeating what Goatee said.

Yes, we all know Bush killed far more Iraqis than Saddam did (I have said so before as well) but mentioning the Onion brought tears to my eyes and I couldn't see straight.

At no point does BBob actually c&p from the article however despite a coupla folks hereabouts making that claim.

/Why yes Tosser and Goat, Spud *is* looking at the pair of yas.

???

Did we say he did? No? Why do you mention our names?

#105

Naw, naw you had your chance and frakked it up bigtime.

Just because you ran off with your backstage passes to the Jonas Bros concert doesn't mean you get another.

Did we say he did? No? Why do you mention our names?

~Goatman.

(44 minutes earlier...)

bOoB, you are so wise to quote the Onion.

~Goatman

As to everybody's favorite Pakistani national?

He copy/pasted from the Onion. LOL

~Tosser

You sed "quote", Goat.

Not link.

Quote.

I bow my head in shame.

I wuz only repeating what Goatee said.

~Tosser

And wot has Spud told you about believing anything the Troll who walks like a Man has to say?

Exactly!

Yes, we all know Bush killed far more Iraqis than Saddam did (I have said so before as well) but mentioning the Onion brought tears to my eyes and I couldn't see straight.

Just mentioning onions brings tears to yer eyes?

You must be super sensitive then cos that only happens when Spud cuts 'em with a knife.

Having hundreds of eyes can be both a blessing and a curse some days.

^_^

Be Well.

I notice that deth once again disingenuously quotes out of context. I maintained that I never said he C&Ped (you left that part out of post 109 of course). I didn't. I said (as you cited) "quote". Quoting is not the same as cut and pasting.

Nice try, troll. Next time tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Here's the party you conveniently forgot to include in rebuttal post, deth. I'm sure it was an honest mistake *snark* so you are forgiven:

Here's the critical part you left out, deth. I'm sure it was an honest accident on your part:

At no point does BBob actually c&p from the article however despite a coupla folks hereabouts making that claim.

/Why yes Tosser and Goat, Spud *is* looking at the pair of yas

another deth troll/lie

More selective reading by our reident self admitted Troll?

Qu'elle surprize!

bOoB, you are so wise to quote the Onion.

~Goatman

You sed "quote", Goat.

Not link.

Quote.

~Spud.

Silly troll!

Be Well.

Naw, naw you had your chance and frakked it up bigtime.

#108 | Posted by Corky at 2009-09-01 02:48 PM | Reply | Flag

You indicated I said C&P. I didn't. I said quote (as you admit)

Silly troll

At no point does BBob actually c&p from the article however despite a coupla folks hereabouts making that claim.

/Why yes Tosser and Goat, Spud *is* looking at the pair of yas

#112 | Posted by dethspud at 2009-09-01 03:22 PM | Reply |

And you said C&P, dumbfuck. How did you miss the point. He even bolded it for you.
Romper Room must be on, because cleary your mind is elsewhere.

"because cleary your mind is elsewhere."

Wha? The author of Ribsy is in da house?

Folks, can't we just come together and agree on one thing; that bOoB citing the Onion is fucking hilarious, and classic?

C&P and Quote do mean the same thing.

And even if they didn't Goat still fucked up by saying quote a fact he's desperately trying to avoid acknowleging as usual.

Goat FAILs.

101, as ususal, is in his own special category of FAIL.

He's like a FAILboat in the middle Lake FAIL located directly on the equator of planet FAIL.

Backpaddle all you two like.

S'fun fer Spud to watch!

Be Well.

Folks, can't we just come together and agree on one thing; that bOoB citing the Onion is fucking hilarious, and classic?

Already cheerfully acknowleged.

Now were just laughing cos Goat got caught again in another one of his herculean attempts to disavow all hints that he may not be a perfect being.

C'mon ya gotta admit, that's pretty funneh too.

Be Well.

Today I've been reminded why I love getting my news for the day from this site.

Now were just laughing cos Goat got caught again in another one of his herculean attempts to disavow all hints that he may not be a perfect being.

Repeating your version of history doesn't change, but it's funny watching you try. Here it is again for us all to laugh at you (no, not with you) LOL
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You indicated I said C&P. I didn't. I said quote (as you admit)

Silly troll

At no point does BBob actually c&p from the article however despite a coupla folks hereabouts making that claim.

/Why yes Tosser and Goat, Spud *is* looking at the pair of yas

Your turn. Try to change history again for us. LOL. This is funny stuff.

"Folks, can't we just come together and agree on one thing; that bOoB citing the Onion is fucking hilarious, and classic?"

This isn't the first time!

The last time it was a video he posted and the onion logo was in the bottom corner. Forgot what the topic was last time. Something to do with a Congressman or Senator, I think.

"Folks, can't we just come together and agree on one thing; that bOoB citing the Onion is fucking hilarious, and classic?"

I would say it'll be up there with smokestacks on the moon and car antennaes. Still, "two countries" is a distant fourth place, IMO.

Beefers thinks that this quote is close to perfection......

I think this will end up being Obama's Vietnam.

Except......... This is Mr. Obama's Vietnam......

Beefers would suggest fighting the enemy and
rebuilding the stuff the US broke..... If people have a nice town to live in they will walk from the tallies.... But by all means.... Kill more tallies..... As many as it takes.....

Beefers knows that..... Most of this entire issue in both of these wars was that the people in charge of the US Military never seem to have the ability to read the enemy.... Sure they figure it out after the fact.... But where are the damn Pattons.... The McArthers ..... The damn Ikes......

Most of Afghanistan is a waste land...

Yet... The generals cant figure out where in the midst of this wasteland the IED's are being built?

Attention..... This is General Beefers....... Ladies of the evening...... We need your help........ America needs you...... The world needs you....... General beefers wants to set up a cat house in every major city in Afghanistan...... General Beefers needs Blond hair, Blue Eyed, 44 double D's to help root out these bomb makers...... Because that is what the Afghani man wants..... We offered twenty five million for Ben Laden and Joe Afghani didn't bite because he has no concept of what twenty five million dollars is..... But my fellow Americans we can be sure that he knows what blond hair blue eyed 44 DD's means....... If they followed my plan the men would talk....... They like to impress the girls ya know? In one month...... We would have every Bomb maker in the entire country in the slam.......

But Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo..
........... Beefers has to sit and watch as silly generals get sillier...... When you take the street smart people out of the picture folks.... You get a lot of polite educated people sitting in a room........ WITH THEIR THUMBS UP THEIR ASSES!

Beefers OUT!

Still, "two countries" is a distant fourth place, IMO.

#123 | Posted by goatman at 2009-09-01 03:59 PM

"If people have a nice town to live in they will walk from the tallies...."

LOL. The Taliban was using the the soccer stadium that was paid for by other countries for public executions and mutilations. When their benefactors complained they said "Build us another stadium for the executions and we'll use this one for soccer....."

Giving them nice stuff will not make them be nice.

Given that its almost impossible to track them all down when they scatter, just about all we can do to them is destroy their stuff. Why would we spend all that money to rebuild stuff we spent good money destroying? If they don't like having their stuff blown up they can always pick a fight with someone else next time.

"
Beefers thinks that this quote is close to perfection......

I think this will end up being Obama's Vietnam."

One big problem with this view, no one in Vietnam ever conducted a major attack on America. I find it sort of hilarious and sad at the same time, that many of the same peopel(George Will included) who supported the war(s) when Bush conducted them, especially the unnecessary one in Iraq, but now CONVENIENTLY don't support the NECESSARY one in the country from which we were actually attacked.
Can you say political expediency???
Hackery?
Hypocrisy?
George Will is a POS.

Beefers finds it sort of hilarious and sad That he could get lumped in with the political crowd..... Beefers has no political aim.... Beefers knows that the system in Washington is corrupted to the level of magots crawling in a terd....

Beefers supports the war in afghanistan one thousand percent though..... If the above post offended you then beefers is sorry.... But it was comedy.... Nothing more.... Well maybe a little street common sense mixed in....

Beefers saw one gentleman comment above that the tallies were being squeezed out of pakistan and into afghanistan... This is correct.... This explains the rise in the clashes between ours and their forces...

However.... Beefers is not a political beast.... And beefers will not cheer on a general who can not lead his team.... The gentleman who posted the comment I mentioned above would be glad to school you on the facts I am sure... When the enemy is up.... Kill the Bastards.... The fact that this general in charge couldnt figure out that the tallies would come pouring back over the boarder when the pakistan army attacked their stronghold is proof that the man needs to be FIRED...... Because that same general should have had enough men and weapons in plase POISED AND READY to Kill the Bastards when they attempted to come accross....

Instead.... once again.... Our College educated generals let them get in and now they are spread out all over the place and we are again chasing ghosts across a Literal MINE FIELD..... Loosing men every day to IED's.....

Beefers Thinks this is the true story..... So In reality... Beefers is probably correct in assuming that STREET WHORES could have done a better job at identifying and rounding up the enemy.

Beefers could never say enough on this issue..... Beefers....... Pissed to the tee! OUT!

I would love for Chair to comment on "Beefers".

I see you little minds are upset that I used the Onion as a link to the number of Iraqis Saddam had killed. Instead of correcting any mistakes the Onion may have made you all danced around like a bunch of geese trying to fuck a football.

I knew the number of Iraqis killed since the invasion was greater than the number of Iraqis killed under Saddam, and simply took the first link of many links that said this was fact. In fact, the Onion was incorrect on only two points. First, it underestimated the number of deaths by Saddam by 50,000--the correct estimate is said to be 300,000 from a more reliable source--Cnn

Our military personnel died for nothing--just like Vietnam.

And here's the link to prove it.

#131

LOL

Did Bob REALLY use The Onion as a credible source??

If he did, are you sure he wasn't just nuts'n around??

Lisa, the post is right here.

If he did, are you sure he wasn't just nuts'n around??

He wasn't. Go check out the original post yourself.

#134

That's ok, I'll take your word for it.

LMBO

That Bob...he's just so silly sometimes!!

Still trying to fuck that football I see. One of these days you dummies will address a point.

LOL who am I kidding.

Disasterous Stratedgy in Afghanistan???

Well this is "Very Good News Indeed" for the American Military-Industrial Complex!!! As Wall St and their pals in the US Govt well know the BIGGER the Military BOONDOGGLE the more Taxpayer Money will be poured down that Big Scam Rat Hole!!!

"Commander in Afghanistan: Our Strategy Disastrous"

Hmmmmm...

[Russian ambassador to Kabul, a KGB veteran of the Soviet Union's Afghan catastrophe] complained to John Burns of the New York Times last year that neither Americans nor NATO representatives were willing to listen to him, even though the U.S. had repeated "all of our mistakes," which he carefully enumerated. "Now," he added, "they're making mistakes of their own, ones for which we do not own the copyright."

more than a trillion dollars later, with essentially nothing to show except an unbroken record of destruction, corruption, and an inability to build anything of value, the U.S. is only slowly drawing down its 140,000-plus troops in Iraq to a "mere" 40,000 or so, while surging yet more troops into Afghanistan to fight a counterinsurgency war, possibly for years to come. At the same time, the U.S. continues to expand its armed forces and to garrison the globe, even as it attempts to bail out an economy and banking system evidently at the edge of collapse. This is a sure-fire formula for further disaster -- unless the new administration took the unlikely decision to downsize the U.S. global mission in a major way.

Right now, Washington is whistling past the graveyard. In Afghanistan and Pakistan the question is no longer whether the U.S. is in command, but whether it can get out in time. If not, when the moment for a bailout comes, don't expect the other pressed powers of the planet to do for Washington what it has been willing to do for the John Thains of our world. The Europeans are already itching to get out of town. The Russians, the Chinese, the Iranians, the Indians who exactly will ride to our rescue?