You missed the biggest fact on the whole damn site. Obama's performance has pretty much matched his voting record as a Senator. Out of 516 promises he's taken no action on 365 of them.

With well over 3 years left to act on promises, the math is a mystery to Mysteryboy.

You missed the biggest fact on the whole damn site. Obama's performance has pretty much matched his voting record as a Senator. Out of 516 promises he's taken no action on 365 of them.
#1 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2009-08-31 04:42 PM

Limbaugh is the Fred Phelps of the Republican party and Michael Steele is his "magic negro". They are like Santa and Black Pete, only their gift to mankind is treasonous lies and war-profiteering wrapped in worthless greenbacks laced with feces, cocaine and oxycontin.

Could you explain what important voting Senator Obama abstained from? The Patriot Acts? The illegal invasions? Warrentless wiretapping? Clue phone..

Could you explain what important voting Senator Obama abstained from? The Patriot Acts? The illegal invasions? Warrentless wiretapping? Clue phone..

#3 | Posted by redlightrobot

Do your own research.

Could you explain what important voting Senator Obama abstained from? The Patriot Acts? The illegal invasions? Warrentless wiretapping? Clue phone..
#3 | Posted by redlightrobot

Do your own research.
#4 | Posted by mysterytoy | Flag: Can't Answer The Question

Could you explain what important voting Senator Obama abstained from? The Patriot Acts? The illegal invasions? Warrentless wiretapping? Clue phone..
#3 | Posted by redlightrobot

Do your own research.
#4 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2009-08-31 06:11 PM

Always a bad idea, as my obvious partisanship will obstruct and bias any findings.. right? So, if you would be so kind as to explain which votes you have problems with..

Defense
09/27/2008 Continuing Appropriations
HR 2638 NV Concurrence Vote Passed - Senate (78 - 12)
09/17/2008 Defense Authorizations Bill
S 3001 NV Bill Passed - Senate (88 - 8)
06/26/2008 Iraq and Afghanistan War Funding, Unemployment Benefits Extension, and GI Bill
HR 2642 Y Concurrence Vote Passed - Senate (92 - 6)
05/22/2008 Funding for Operations in Iraq and Afghanistan
S Amdt 4818 NV Amendment Adopted - Senate (70 - 26)
05/22/2008 Funding for Operations in Iraq and Afghanistan with Provisions Regarding Conduct and Congressional Oversight
S Amdt 4817 N Amendment Rejected - Senate (34 - 63)
03/14/2008 Concurrent Budget Resolution
S Con Res 70 Y Resolution Passed - Senate (51 - 44)
01/22/2008 Defense Authorizations Bill
HR 4986 NV Bill Passed - Senate (91 - 3)
12/18/2007 Iraq Withdrawal Amendment
S Amdt 3875 NV Amendment Rejected - Senate (24 - 71)
12/18/2007 Inclusion of Iraq and Afghanistan Military Operations Funding with the Consolidated Appropriations
HR 2764 NV Concurrence Vote Passed - Senate (70 - 25)
11/16/2007 Supplemental Appropriations for the Department of Defense and Timeline for Withdrawal from Iraq
HR 4156 Y Cloture Not Invoked - Senate (53 - 45)
11/16/2007 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations for the Department of Defense
S 2340 N Cloture Not Invoked - Senate (45 - 53)
10/01/2007 National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008
HR 1585 NV Bill Passed - Senate (92 - 3)
09/21/2007 Iraq Troop Reduction Amendment
S Amdt 2898 Y Amendment Rejected - Senate (47 - 47)
09/19/2007 Time Between Troop Deployments
S Amdt 2909 Y Amendment Rejected - Senate (56 - 44)
07/19/2007 Sense of the Senate on Guantanamo Bay Detainees
S Amdt 2351 NV Amendment Adopted - Senate (94 - 3)

Good site. Found Obama averages barely true. What a surprise.

"Good site. Found Obama averages barely true. What a surprise."

Care to translate into English??

The RepubliCONS Party of Shame is boundless!

Nothing but transparent, easily disprovable Lies, LIes and bigger LIEs for the past 9 years!

Amazing how deeply and seriously STUPID the dittos must be to actually PAY BIG for Fatty Lush Bong who has ZERO real Credentials or a single day of Education or Experience in Politics, Economics, Govt, Sociology or anything the Pig claims to be broadcasting in "excellence"..?

How is that possible???

Yet, He bellows out pretend-to-be-important blatant lies which convinces the Shaivos to actually REJECT an educated, classy, Harvard cum laude, Doctorate in POLITICAL SCIENCE..!??

Priceless....

This is almost as interesting as the Gerbil story.

This is almost as interesting as the Gerbil story.
#11 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2009-08-31 09:07 PM

Honey, why don't you go pretend play with yourself in the corner? There's a good mysterymeat! [pinches cheek then peels off gloves]

Have you figured out which non-votes President Obama is responsible for that are destroying your party yet?

I like that linked website. Thank you. It's a great resource.

If folks are thanking me(?), I reciprocate that.

"The Prince of Lies"

Thats like giving a pot the boil water award.

Anyone who thinks that Rush is spewing FACT for 3 hours a day clearly has no idea what the definition of the word is.

"The Prince of Lies"

Quick! Deflect from the GOP "pants on fire" losers and a non-partisan source to a hack internet right wing "journal!"

I'd say Steele's and Limbaugh's legs must be feeling like barbeque.

World's biggest oxymoron: The "facts" on a liberal web site.

Cool site. Lots of lies on both sides of the aisle.

Prince of lies-
"A lie told often enough becomes truth." - Vladimir Lenin

President Obama's skill as a liar is critical to his success as a Socialist.

And I stopped reading the "American" "thinker" link right there.

American Thinker...propaganda for stupid people.

>#10 | Posted by gunner

HEY GUNNEAR: Sounds like you got a hold of some of that coke with the deworming drug in it. But look on the bright side...at least you'll finally get rid of those pesky worms.

Could you explain what important voting Senator Obama abstained from? The Patriot Acts? The illegal invasions? Warrentless wiretapping? Clue phone..
#3 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2009-08-31 05:25 PM

Who the hell would have the guts to cut into Rush's blood engorged penis anyway?

Blimpo and the GOP's token du jour win "Pants on Fire" award?

K, where's that "Obvious" Flag?

American Stinker?

Lawls!!

The NE has more cred than that rag.

Be Well.

The cumies/tuweleheds/mezikans are cummin tu git yer MOMMAHHHHH!!!!!!!

'Michael Steele is his "magic negro". '

I should be used to one-sided hacks who would normally be offended by such things slipping easily into racism when talking about the "other side" but I have to say it never ceases to amaze me.

Where is Boyd to denounce that racism? If he, and the other limprwists ignore that staement, then they must agreee with it! I'm OUTRAGED!!!! OUTRAGED GOD DAMN IT! FUCK!

I think politicians should all have a visible "lie meter" installed as they become candidates for a position...like a dial above their heads that gauges the level of truth of what they are saying. It can be removed once they are out of office.

"President Obama ... wants to mandate circumcision."
......Posted by Doc_Sarvis

.....and what's wrong with traveling around the world.?.....

"President Obama ... wants to mandate circumcision."
......Posted by Doc_Sarvis

It's a quote from Rush Limbaugh, the darling of riiightie tightie loons everywhere and, in addition, a poster child for oxycontin.

I still like the part where Michael Steel puts out a Republican Bill of Rights for Seniors, whose first priority is...... wait for it.... protecting Medicare.... an actual government-run single-payer system popular with the public, that the GOP tried to kill in it's crib and have fought against ever since.

Haven't heard much about that baby, eh?

Haven't heard much about that baby, eh?

#35 | Posted by Corky

No, we haven't

And we should.

Medicare is the elephant in the room that few are willing to talk about.

It is going bankrupt.

It is in far worse shape than Social Security.

Like Social Security it is a Ponzi scheme that would be regarded as criminal if it was attempted in the private sector.

Amazing how deeply and seriously STUPID the dittos must be to actually PAY BIG for Fatty Lush Bong who has ZERO real Credentials or a single day of Education or Experience in Politics, Economics, Govt, Sociology or anything the Pig claims to be broadcasting in "excellence"..?

Sounds like you are talking about the Great O to be President? So you have to have experiance to be an entertainer on radio, but no experiance is fine for the POTUS. Great position. BTW I also think Rush is a bum.

#34 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

......just a pun on circumnavigation.........

....some days I feel it's impossible to get through the haze if invincible ignorance that fuels some of our tighty-righty idiots...so I just make puns......

#36 | Posted by JeffJ

Medicare can be greatly helped by changes in most of the proposed Bills, particularly those having to do with how payment is made.

As Obama has harped on continuously, health care reform includes payments based on results, not on spending.

....some days I feel it's impossible to get through the haze if invincible ignorance that fuels some of our tighty-righty idiots...so I just make puns......

#38 | Posted by skizziks

I think Oohrah cited a similar haze of ignorance from the left for his choice to flood this site with puns. ;-)

As Obama has harped on continuously, health care reform includes payments based on results, not on spending.

I am totally down with real improvements.

The bill that is currently circulating is over 1000-pages long. I don't for a moment believe that NOTHING contained within is positive. However, I tend to look big-picture - and the big-picture I am viewing is very ugly.

Understood, Skizziks

-and the big-picture I am viewing is very ugly.

That's because all you see is the Big Repube Coloring Book version of health care reform.

What you don't like about portable health care with no preexisting conditions, no annual payment max, no expensive co-pay, not being dropped from care for being ill, and a low-cost alternative to your premiums doubling again over the next 5-7 years, which they will, is beyond sane.

That's because all you see is the Big Repube Coloring Book version of health care reform.

No. I've watched EVERY other socialized healthcare system in existence, with all of the ghastly problems inherent, and have said, "No thanks."

No. I've watched EVERY other socialized healthcare system in existence, with all of the ghastly problems inherent, and have said, "No thanks."

#43 | Posted by JeffJ

Translation: I don't want to pay higher taxes in order to ensure everyone has access to quality preventive medicine.

#44 | Posted by jackass

Strawman alert!

That is the truth. Seriously the only thing a rightwinger cares about is lowering taxes.

None of which started with the infrastructure of doctors and hospitals that we have now, and none of which had the advantage of learning from all the others.

Health care reform depends much on the way doctors are paid, which is the point of the article at the link you didn't read.

Also, you may have missed the fact that we are first in costs, and 37th in results compared to those nasty old socialized systems.

You have public colleges in your town, and private ones. They complement each other, not destroy each other. The fear of a public option is about as sane as the fear of croutons on your salad.

That's because all you see is the Big Repube Coloring Book version of health care reform.

Actually, the GOP is floating about several ideas that would improve our healthcare system.

*Tort reform
*An HSA model - even via taxpayer funding
*21st century document management for providers
*Accross state-lines availability of insurance
*A reduction in costly insurance regulations
Breaking up the quasi-monopoly the AMA has on provision via reduced liscensing requirements

This list is far from inclusive, but the DNC isn't seriously considering any of this - it's all government-power all of the time.

You have public colleges in your town, and private ones. They complement each other, not destroy each other. The fear of a public option is about as sane as the fear of croutons on your salad.

#47 | Posted by Corky

I still have to pay to attend those "public" colleges.

radio comedian Rush Limbaugh

I like it.

You still have to pay a premium in a public option plan.

Your point?

#48
There are 160 Repub amendments in the Senate bill from health services.

But the "floated" GOP ideas you mention were never put together in a bill as the GOP decided it was better for them to be the party of no and try for a political victory instead of putting up a serious plan.

btw, has is just another hmo, and the real monopolies are insurance companies that dominate each market with only a couple of providers.

and tort reform is about .00somethin' of a multi-trillion dollar segment of the economy.

Also, you may have missed the fact that we are first in costs, and 37th in results compared to those nasty old socialized systems.

Which is an utter non-sequitur - an argument that I've decimated in the past.

- an argument that I've decimated in the past.

Really? I musta missed that.

You proved that paying most and getting least is somehow a good thing?

and tort reform is about .00somethin' of a multi-trillion dollar segment of the economy.

A small segment of a multi-trillion dollar industry is still a shitload of money.

Legal costs are not a determinate factor in premium costs, is the point.

#53 | Posted by Corky

Using your 'logic' more pre-natal care would result in a better level of infant mortality.

In this country blacks have more pre-natal care than hispanics, yet have a shittier infant-mortality rate.

Apply that to your premise and please get back to me.

Legal costs are not a determinate factor in premium costs

Yes, they are.

ALL costs are determinant factors.

Are you really this ignorant as to risk-assessments employed by the insurance industry?

"an argument that I've decimated in the past."

Huh? You've countered it by repeatedly claiming the American system is the best, nothing else.

Huh? You've countered it by repeatedly claiming the American system is the best, nothing else.

This country has shorter waiting times and more sophisticated care than any socialized system on this planet. That is an undisputed fact.

If you want to argue that we DON'T have the best value for dollar-spent - go right ahead. But don't sit there and argue that the UK provides superior care.

"This country has shorter waiting times and more sophisticated care than any socialized system on this planet. That is an undisputed fact."

And worse overall health outcomes. That is an undisputed fact as well.

"But don't sit there and argue that the UK provides superior care. "

I won't. I'll let the WHO report do it for me, something you've never "decimated". Or even addressed, for that matter.

-ALL costs are determinant factors.

No, Sweetie, and I say that with all affection, pencil sharpeners are costs, but they are not large ebough to be determinant to the price of your premium, and neither are legal costs.

"Tort Reform Unlikely to Cut Health Care Costs

Studies Show Malpractice Awards Are Not Big Driver of Skyrocketing Costs
8/19/09

Also, you may have missed the fact that we are first in costs, and 37th in results compared to those nasty old socialized systems.

That #37 has taken on a life of its own and is running like wild.

I asked one what being #37 means? There are dozens of things a health care system can be ranked on. The best answer I got was a link to a web site dated from 2000 that even admitted that due to the difficulty in rating health care systems that that would be the last year they put out such a ranking.

#37 people! (whatever the fuck that means. LOL)

#60 | Posted by Danforth

I have already provided an example that completely decimates your 'premise'.

You have NEVER even condescended to acknowledge it, much less address it.

#37 people! (whatever the fuck that means. LOL)

#62 | Posted by goatman

What it means is Danforth clinging to a life-vest via a bullshit statistic in lieu of acknowledging that the policy he advocates isn't Utopia.

-a shittier infant-mortality rate.

Is what we have in America in general in comparison to those "shitty" countries that have universal health care.

Is what we have in America in general in comparison to those "shitty" countries that have universal health care.

#65 | Posted by Corky

Fair question.

We certainly have a more effective system - but we DO pay a lot more for it.

I can understand the value argument.

But I call "bullshit" on Danforth's claims that subjugation to the state yields Utopian results.

US Infant Survival Rates Lower Than Most Developed Nations'

The USA has an infant mortality rate of 5 per 1,000, the same as Poland, Hungary, Slovakia and Malta. Of 33 developed countries, America is just above Latvia, the bottom of the group.

But hey, we have the best health care in the world, right?

And your premium will double again over the next 5-7 years.

No wonder you guys prefer the status quo.

-subjugation to the state yields Utopian results.

That's your main problem, arguing ideology instead of results.

One supposes that public colleges provide students with, "subjugation to the state".

That's laughable paranoia.

US Infant Survival Rates Lower Than Most Developed Nations'

In this nation hispanics have higher infant survival rates that blacks - with a lower amount of pre-natal care.

This is a proveable fact and it's a fact that completely torpedoes all of the other BS being bandied about by you and Danforth.

Socialized healthcare is proven to be cheaper, WITH tradeoffs.

Acknowledge the fucking tradeoffs and we can have intelligent discourse. Pretend that it's Utopia and we are stuck where we are.

"subjugation to the state yields Utopian results."

The cheaper the rtard, the gaudier the patter.

One supposes that public colleges provide students with, "subjugation to the state".

In order to attend a public university, I have to pay for it myself - out-of-pocket.

The public option allows me to have the government pay for my health insurance and, in the process, takes YOUR money to pay for it.

You are comparing apples and oranges.

The cheaper the rtard, the gaudier the patter.

#71 | Posted by nullifidian

Feel free to actually offer up a substantive rejoinder.

I know for a fact that you don't take a Utopian view toward single-pay.

Tradeoffs exist and you know it.

-The public option allows me to have the government pay for my health insurance and, in the process, takes YOUR money to pay for it.

You missed the part about a public option being a lower cost premium, not free, did you?

No wonder the paranoia is so great out there, what with this kind of ignorance.

"But I call "bullshit" on Danforth's claims that subjugation to the state yields Utopian results. "

And I call bullshit on your putting words in my mouth. GFY.

"Socialized healthcare is proven to be cheaper, WITH tradeoffs."

Something I've said since the start. And added the tradeoffs are coming, regardless the system.

-The cheaper the rtard, the gaudier the patter.

101 said he paid for both dinner and a movie, and still didn't get laid.

And I call bullshit on your putting words in my mouth. GFY.

Except that you've gone to tremendous lenghts to portray the socialized option as Utopian with your bullshit and illogical stats regarding "health outcomes".

You missed the part about a public option being a lower cost premium, not free, did you?

It's not a "premium" - it is touted as being funded wholly by tax-increases on the wealthy AND is touted as deficit-neutral even though the CBO disagrees.

No wonder the paranoia is so great out there, what with this kind of ignorance

I don't even know where to begin with this...

added the tradeoffs are coming, regardless the system

Thanks to the wisdom of government and their criminal Ponzi schemes.

So yeah, let's just turn over the entire system to these crooks.

"Except that you've gone to tremendous lenghts to portray the socialized option as Utopian with your bullshit and illogical stats regarding "health outcomes"."

I've merely corrected you each time you spew your American Utopia bullshit. The WHO did a dispassionate study and found that the US ranked #37th. It's not my fault you refuse to believe it.

Jeffy, Jeffy, Jeffy..... your intake of GNOP steroids is at a max.

All the public options under discussion are premium-based.

The funding that is necessary for what is in Obama's plan is a 5 percent tax increase on millionaires who already have substantial enough breaks, breaks you don't have, to pay less in taxes than their 40K a year secretaries, is for about a third of the costs of implementing the program and subsidizing some percentage to those who cannot pay even the low premiums of the public option.

Get a grip, dude.

"Thanks to the wisdom of government and their criminal Ponzi schemes. "

Bullshit. It's the macro numbers. There's no way we can go from 6 payers per user to closer to 3-1 without tradeoffs.

"to pay less in taxes than their 40K a year secretaries"

Not true. They pay a lower percentage of their overall income in taxes, not less.

OK, less percentage on average.

But some pay little or no taxes at all, based on breaks that other's don't have.

There's no way we can go from 6 payers per user to closer to 3-1 without tradeoffs.

I agree.

Government created this problem by creating a Ponzi system that would have been grossly criminal in the private sector.

The funding that is necessary for what is in Obama's plan is a 5 percent tax increase on millionaires who already have substantial enough breaks

Which doesn't contradict my point - the public option doesn't 'compete' because it has Danforth pay Corky's premium.

Not true. They pay a lower percentage of their overall income in taxes, not less.

#83 | Posted by Danforth

Payroll tax.

Roughly 13% when we consider employer contributions.

You are absolutely correct to harp on this - it's a factoid that is rarely discussed.

#85

Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.

The public option is premium-based.

There are subsidies for those who cannot pay even a low premium, which cost is likely less and certainly no more than that part of your current premium which goes to pay for ER heath care now.

Besides, Dan and you combined couldn't pay what I pay in taxes.

And your premium will double again over the next 5-7 years.

The "I see in my crystal ball" retorts are always my favorite.

"The "I see in my crystal ball" retorts are always my favorite."

He's just employing the rear view mirror, and the rule of 72.

"Besides, Dan and you combined couldn't pay what I pay in taxes."

Of course not, we'd both be in jail.

Besides, Dan and you combined couldn't pay what I pay in taxes.

#87 | Posted by Corky

Just when you've driven me to the point of anger, you almost always manage to make me laugh!

Gotta run - errands are beckoning.

Later bro.

The WHO did a dispassionate study and found that the US ranked #37th. It's not my fault you refuse to believe it.

That report was done in 2000 and even the WHO said that they would not be doing it anymore because it was very difficult to quantify ratings because of all the variables.

It's not our fault you believe a report that has self-admitted vagueries and is almost ten years old.

As a small business owner, btw, I have to pay 18-20 percent more for health care costs than a large company does.

With a public option, I, and both large and small businesses, would have the option of GIVING HIGHER SALERIES in lieu of health care with a good public option plan available to employees.

-He's just employing the rear view mirror, and the rule of 72.

Afraid you are speaking Greek to a troglodyte.

"Roughly 13% when we consider employer contributions."

15.3%

"It's not our fault you believe a report that has self-admitted vagueries and is almost ten years old."

I'd believe you, if you could point to where our system has made leaps forward, or other systems a leap backward in the last decade.

The USA has an infant mortality rate of 5 per 1,000, the same as Poland, Hungary, Slovakia and Malta. Of 33 developed countries, America is just above Latvia, the bottom of the group.

And there are areas in medicine where America excels. We will never be #1 in every category, corky. Deal with it. In fact, it is possible we will slip in a lot of areas with NHC.

So citing a higher infant mortality rate here as an argument for NHC is absurd unless you can prove there is a connection.

So citing a higher infant mortality rate here as an argument for NHC is absurd unless you can prove there is a connection.
#97 | Posted by goatman

Infant mortality skyrockets with lack of prenatal care.

He's just employing the rear view mirror, and the rule of 72

Views from a rear view mirror can change. I see the interstate in mine when I exit, but I fucking well better not pretend I can still do 70 MPH

Afraid you are speaking Greek to a troglodyte.

Maybe he is. Ask the troglodyte.

I'd believe you, if you could point to where our system has made leaps forward, or other systems a leap backward in the last decade.

Cancer survival rates are higher than 10 years ago.

"Views from a rear view mirror can change."

Actually, the view ahead looks even more dire. America is aging, and that means greater demand for health services. Without corresponding increases in supply, just from an Econ 101 standpoint, medical inflation should outstrip past rates.

"Cancer survival rates are higher than 10 years ago."

Part of that is we do PSA tests much more often, and count prostate cancer patients among the survivors, despite the fact it's rarely fatal. And if you eliminate lesser diseases, other things will get you.

But none of these factors should be taken in a vacuum.

Also, you may have missed the fact that we are first in costs, and 37th in results compared to those nasty old socialized systems.

You have public colleges in your town, and private ones. They complement each other, not destroy each other. The fear of a public option is about as sane as the fear of croutons on your salad.

#47 | Posted by Corky
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Nice try at being intellectually dishonest. That particular chart is from 2000. The world Health Organization no longer ranks health systems.

Lonnie

#37 people! (whatever the fuck that means. LOL)

#62 | Posted by goatman
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Good catch goatman. I'd have caught that if you didn't. LOL.

Lonnie

Yes, things have totally changed since 2000.

Moron.

Corky, if you want to discuss infant mortality rates, there are countries that do not count infant mortality rates if they occur within the first 3 months. They don't count against the country in the first 3 months. That's really a dishonest argument.

Lonnie

"if you want to discuss infant mortality rates, there are countries that do not count infant mortality rates if they occur within the first 3 months. They don't count against the country in the first 3 months. "

Link?

"That's really a dishonest argument."

If you're correct they do that, you're right.

Medicare is the elephant in the room that few are willing to talk about.

It is going bankrupt.

So let's talk about it. Didn't Bush sign legislation that made it illegal to buy the same drugs at cheaper prices from Canada.

Think about that for a second.

That link doesn't show where they've under reported their infant mortality rates but shows that if the baby is born and not breathing, they don't count it as a live birth. I heard the other on the radio and can't remember which country it was that didn't report any deaths under 3 months.

Lonnie

"Didn't Bush sign legislation that made it illegal to buy the same drugs at cheaper prices from Canada. Think about that for a second."

initially my drugs cost 348.00 for 3 mo. supply. With Bush's fantastic plan, that price lowered to 298.00. From Canada the prices was 105.00, so I continued to break the law by buying from Canada until Walmart started selling 4.00 drugs from India, tru Walmat I now pay 66.00.

"There's the link.
Lonnie"

Your link doesn't substantiate your claim.

"I heard the other on the radio and can't remember which country it was"

Then you still have no proof.

here is a cold hard fact

when amendment to specifically deny health care reform money to fund abortion...the dems voted NO..

so no amount of bloviating or lieing can change that fact..when they had the opprotunity to ACT, they voted not to.
I saw the vote myself on cspan when it happened

another FACT from hr3200

if the health care czar sees that insurance providers dont meet 'applicable requirements' ..he can TAKE AWAY a persons health care insurance provider.

BUT I THOUGHT obama said that you wouldnt lose what you had??

fuckin liar