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Monday, August 31, 2009

In an interview with the Erie Times-News, former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge said he received "no pressure at all" to raise the threat level, but he did oppose the "vigorous" effort by Attorney General John Ashcroft and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to raise it right before the 2004 election.

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This Ridge interview backs up the claim he made in his book -- Rumsfeld and Ashcroft wanted to raise the threat level right before the election, and he resisted because he thought it might be a politically motivated effort.

What happened? Did Rush Limbaugh get to him, lmao!

Well don't that beat all....Didn't the left media tell us the exact opposite?

KBM-
Actually, Ridge told us the exact opposite just a few weeks ago.

Didn't the left media tell us the exact opposite?


Ridge is talking out of boths sides of his mouth. Whether he lied in his book or is lying now, either way, he is a liar.

KBM: The "left media" reported exactly what Ridge wrote in his book. Since he stands behind what he wrote in the book, I don't see where the media got it wrong.

""There was no pressure at all. There was a judgment call on their part and on my part," Ridge, 64, a former Pennsylvania governor and an Erie native, told the newspaper.""

They didn't even hold an electric drill to his head or waterboard him. They never even threatened his kids or wife.

They expressed an opinion, and he didn't do it. Now who do we hang? -The Lefty Lynch Mob

They expressed an opinion, and he didn't do it. Now who do we hang? -The Lefty Lynch Mob
#8 | Posted by wisgod at 2009-08-31 05:31 PM

"Expressed an opinion" based on lies and treasonous actions and you DON'T see a problem with that?!

From your perpetually blithering posts it would appear that everyone who disagrees with you are "Leftistas".

From your perpetually blithering posts it would appear that everyone who disagrees with you are "Leftistas".

#9 | Posted by redlightrobot

He didn't change the level so what in the fucking world is your arguement? That they discussed it, Mr. Emotion?

From your perpetually blithering posts it would appear that everyone who disagrees with you are "Leftistas".
#9 | Posted by redlightrobot

He didn't change the level so what in the fucking world is your arguement? That they discussed it, Mr. Emotion?
#10 | Posted by wisgod at 2009-08-31 06:18 PM

The point is that they tried to without actual need and you find nothing wrong with it!

Yeah, "Mr. Emotion" intimates as a starkly unfavorable title, but I just don't understand how the logic was lost in translation.

The point is that they tried to without actual need and you find nothing wrong with it!
Posted by redlightrobot

You and I weren't in the meeting, and you certainly don't know the context of the discussion. But carry on, pantspisser.

The point is that they tried to without actual need and you find nothing wrong with it!
Posted by redlightrobot

You and I weren't in the meeting, and you certainly don't know the context of the discussion. But carry on, pantspisser.
#12 | Posted by wisgod at 2009-08-31 06:56 PM

In case English is your second language, I'll explain how this part works. When someone disagrees with you on a matter of national security, but are in actuality purposefully using falsified "intelligence" or misinterpreting data to meet their own agenda that is called TREASON.

"In a new book, "The Test of Our Times: America Under Siege ... and How We Can Be Safe Again," Ridge says that despite the urgings of former Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and then-Attorney General John Ashcroft he objected to raising the security level, according to a publicity release from the publisher.
..
"A vigorous, some might say dramatic, discussion ensued. Ashcroft strongly urged an increase in the threat level, and was supported by Rumsfeld. There was absolutely no support for that position within our department. None. I wondered, 'Is this about security or politics'" he wrote.
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After the publicity release came out earlier this month, Bush's former homeland security adviser, Frances Townsend, said politics never played a role in determining alert levels."

Apparently, neither did facts.

Ahhh, the Frisch's Big Boy backing up...

ONce again the blame can fall sqarely on the shoulders of coincidence. That Bush administration sure was burdened with a lot of coincidences.

"PROFILES IN COURAGE", Not Mr. Ridge not by a longshot, what a fucking loser, well just like the rest of them.........

Pussy. If you're gonna put it print, then stand up like a man and back your words up.

GOP

G utless O ld Pussies

Seems like there is further remarks from Ridge tht do not coincide with the article last week...

The source of disagreement

In the book, Ridge details what caused the internal debate about the threat level -- a new videotaped message from Osama bin Laden delivered on Oct. 29 and aired on Al-Jazeera.

The message, Ridge wrote, was predictably critical of Bush and carried a threatening tone. "Was it a precursor to another attack?'' he asked in the book.

But Ridge wrote that audio or videotapes from bin Laden or his lieutenant, Ayman al-Zawahiri, were nothing new. There had been nearly 20 since 9/11.

"A threatening message, audio or visual, should not be the sole reason to elevate the threat level,'' Ridge wrote.

In the book, Ridge said he and his leadership team participated in a secure video conference with other administration officials and listened to a discussion about the possibility of raising the threat level.

"A vigorous, some might say dramatic, discussion ensued. Ashcroft strongly urged an increase in the threat level, and was supported by Rumsfeld. There was absolutely no support for that position within our department. None. I wondered, 'Is this about security or politics''' he wrote.

Ridge told the Times-News that no one person -- not even the president -- had the unilateral authority to raise the threat level. It required a consensus among designated Cabinet members, including himself, though it didn't have to be unanimous, Ridge said.

No consensus was reached at that session, and Ridge wrote that he was grateful that FBI Director Robert Mueller agreed with his position.

Asked why he didn't publicly reveal the news at the time, Ridge said it wasn't the only time the parties discussed the threat level via secure video conference but didn't change it.

"There was no reason to discuss it because we didn't go up. There were more discussions that resulted in not going up than resulted in going up,'' he said.

What made this situation unusual, Ridge said, was the timing a few days before the presidential election.

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Can't the explanation be just what he expressed above?

We could discuss that some folks got excited to bash Bush some more over the article last week.

But this one does not seem to fit the bill.

"What made this situation unusual, Ridge said, was the timing a few days before the presidential election."

Sorry Murphy, that statement pretty much tells the story. Puhleeeez don't pretend that Cheney or Bush were above that sort of thing. I might get nauseous.

While I don't doubt the possibility that what Ridge says is true, it's also curiously coincidental that he's echoing a theory long held by lefties who would love to buy a book that exposing what they "knew all along." I'd love to see some emails or actual evidence - anything - but right now, all we have is some righty who democrats wouldn't trust until the moment he said something critical of the Bush administration. Now he's telling the truth, though.

"Well don't that beat all....Didn't the left media tell us the exact opposite?
#3 | Posted by KBM"

Well don't that beat all.....Another post by KBM showing that he's an idiot who doesn't understand half of what he reads or a quarter of what's really going on.

While I don't doubt the possibility that what Ridge says is true, it's also curiously coincidental that he's echoing a theory long held by lefties who would love to buy a book that exposing what they "knew all along." I'd love to see some emails or actual evidence

Where the fuck were you when Republican officials were tying links between Osama and Saddam?! Or the 9/11 Commission Report?!

- anything - but right now, all we have is some righty who democrats wouldn't trust until the moment he said something critical of the Bush administration. Now he's telling the truth, though.
#20 | Posted by JOE at 2009-08-31 11:09 PM

Obviously no Republican ever does.

(Hey, Goat - on this one I am inferring the entire Republican goon squad - piss awaaaaaay)

"I'd love to see some emails or actual evidence....
#20 | Posted by JOE"

So would we, Joe, so would we:

www.cnn.com

"White House: Millions of Emails May Be MIssing."

"Mistakes were made ..."

Understatement of the last 100 years

"Mistakes were made ..."

Understatement of the last 100 years

"Change you can believe in"

Most disingenuous hyperbole of the last 233 years

Gimme

If that 'change' amounts to nothing more than not starting another trillion dollar war with a pack of lies and exaggerations that killed hundreds of thousands in the process I'll be much happier than I was the last 8 years.

PS

I've heard a lot of Republicans over the last 8 years yearn for the good old days of the Clinton years when prosperity was shared by most everyone. I've yet to hear anyone even hint that one day, long from now they'll be yearning for the 'Bush years'.

I've yet to hear anyone even hint that one day, long from now they'll be yearning for the 'Bush years'.

That's funny I hear that almost everyday from folks who voted for the Sacrosanct One last November

Gimme-
I especially like your defense of the current health insurance racket that decides who lives and who dies:

"...a frigging business not a benevolent fraternal organization..."

And that's the way you like it, I see.

#27

My statement was clearly about Republicans. None of them will be pining for the "Bush years". Ever. Bush should be the easy winner of "Worst President ever of the United States".

7 months after inheriting the worst economic disaster since the Great Depression, the right are so willing to place that crown on Obama's head (starting the first week). That's like blaming paramedics for the car wreck a drunk driver caused.

Bush should be the easy winner of "Worst President ever of the United States".

You gotta admit (or will eventually) that the Sacrosanct One doesn't intend to concede that title to "W". What a strange to strive for must be something he made his life's goal when he was a community organizer.

I don't think I've had as much Scotch as you've had tonight. That's the only thing I'll concede. LOL

"the Sacrosanct One doesn't intend to concede that title to "W"."

Really? Which country that didn't attack us is he planning to invade?

I don't think I've had as much Scotch as you've had tonight. That's the only thing I'll concede.

Feeling a burn huh? Unless you're a teetotaler odds are I drink less than you and I haven't had any Scotch (my only intoxicant nowadays) in a week and the last time before that maybe 5 or 6 weeks before.

I couldn't tell that from the last sentence in your previous post. It sounded like a drunk guy talks. LOL


Sorry Murphy, that statement pretty much tells the story. Puhleeeez don't pretend that Cheney or Bush were above that sort of thing. I might get nauseous.

#19 | Posted by danni


Danni, it's nauseated - you might get nauseated

We all know that you are naseous all of the time -

I think you meant "nauseated" in this case.

O'Neil too, said some terrible things about the Shrub White House only to almost completely reverse himself during the book tour.

Both probably had a midnight visitor come to tell them which way the bear shits in the woods.

"Where the fuck were you when Republican officials were tying links between Osama and Saddam?! Or the 9/11 Commission Report?!"

I never agreed with purported links between Osama and Saddam. And the 9/11 Commission Report was based, at least in part, on actual evidence - at least more evidence than Ridge's claim is based on.

I suppose you'll do anything to divert the topic to something else though. Carry on.

Apparently, repugs have difficulty not talking out of both sides of their mouths...eh?

Sam Stein
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McCain Whacks Cheney: Torture Violated Law And Helped The Terrorists

In a strong pushback against claims made by former Vice President Dick Cheney, Sen. John McCain insisted on Sunday that the use of torture on terrorism suspects violated international law, didn't work, and actually helped al Qaeda recruit additional members.

"I think the interrogations were in violation of the Geneva Conventions and the convention against torture that we ratified under President Reagan," said the Arizona Republican. "I think these interrogations, once publicized, helped al Qaeda recruit. I got that from an al Qaeda operative in a prison camp in Iraq... I think that the ability of us to work with our allies was harmed. And I believe that information, according go the FBI and others, could have been gained through other members."

The senator, appearing on CBS' Face the Nation, offered his assessment just hours after Cheney defended the use of torture during an interview with Fox News Sunday. Host Bob Schieffer pushed McCain to explain how it was that an al Qaeda member had told him that the use of torture helped them recruit.

Relaying a conversation that he and Sen. Lindsey Graham, (R-S.C.) had with a jailed "high-ranking member of al Qaeda," McCain replied that pictures of detainee abuse at Abu Ghraib had allowed the terrorist organization "to recruit thousands of young men."

And yet, despite acknowledging that the use of torture was counter-productive and in violation of international law -- laws that have been ratified by the United States -- McCain still insisted that the Obama Justice Department was wrong to launch an investigation into the matter.

www.huffingtonpost.com

So, in mac's world, cronyism beats the rule of law and GC...apparently....or is it just that rules/laws etc are only to be enforced on low level troops?

THINK

"'But they're not going to take our freedoms from us,' he said."

No, we did that ourselves.

"'But they're not going to take our freedoms from us,' he said."
No, we did that ourselves.

#41 | POSTED BY SPECTATOR AT 2009-09-01 02:13 PM

So very true.

Quotations from IKE:

How far you can go without destroying from within what you are trying to defend from without?

If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking... is freedom.

In most communities it is illegal to cry "fire" in a crowded assembly. Should it not be considered serious international misconduct to manufacture a general war scare in an effort to achieve local political aims?

Only Americans can hurt America.

We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security.

When people speak to you about a preventive war, you tell them to go and fight it. After my experience, I have come to hate war.

Dwight David Eisenhower

This cat is the reason I was a Republican when I was younger. Later, I found out he was the LAST of his group and the party was taken over by the military/industrial/cia with neocon and dixiecrat/racist politicians spewing their propaganda.

After 40 years of their FAILED policies, I believe it's fair to let them go, unheeded.

While it is true that both parties share in these failures to some extent, one must carefully weigh which party's POLICIES have held sway since nixon and now, which party is at least pointed in the right direction, toward the values we hold dear and our constitution and rules of law and which isn't.

That's funny I hear that almost everyday from folks who voted for the Sacrosanct One last November

#28 | Posted by Gimme_a_Scotch at 2009-09-01 01:21 AM | Reply | Flag: BULLSHIT

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