WHO Warns of Severe Form of Swine Flu

Does it kill people with health insurance?

the flu is scared to death of me nine times out of nine. know why? because i don't go to the doctor for every stinking runny nose - BUCK UP PEOPLE!

When pigs fly.

A couple of weeks ago, they were saying the mild H1N1 virus isn't mutating. That was to silence those who argued that the vaccine makes can't predict the virulent strain because it mutates too fast.

Zombiehunter and JPW should be embarrassed.

Inconvenient Truths About Gardasil and Swine Flu Vaccines

The summer of 2009 revealed two inconvenient truths about vaccination. First, the Gardasil vaccine is not as safe as the government, medical organizations and Merck have said it is. Second, the H1N1 influenza pandemic is not as serious as health officials are telling you it is.

One in every 1,855 Gardasil shots is followed by a bad health outcome report to the government's Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System. These bad health outcomes reported after Gardasil shots include lots of girls suddenly passing out and having seizures. There is also a greater than expected rate of reported blood clots. In fact, four girls have died after they developed a blood clot that traveled to their lungs after Gardasil vaccination.

Apparently, the government can let vaccine manufacturers fast track Gardasil vaccine, but can't compel the drug company that makes the vaccine or doctors giving it to report each and every death and serious injury that follows vaccination. Why believe anything government health officials tell us about the safety of vaccines? Why believe that the experimental swine flu vaccines being fast tracked with only a few weeks of study are going to be safe, and that all vaccine reactions will be reported to the government and then properly followed up?

It is far more likely that, when children get swine flu vaccine in schools and then get really sick or even die like the Gardasil girls, that all those bad health outcomes will be written off as a coincidence by health officials. That is, if any reports are made to the government at all -- few school nurses or other people giving children swine flu vaccines in the schools will be taking medical histories, much less monitoring children for signs of a vaccine reaction and then filing a reaction report to the government.

It is time to demand that government officials and drug companies stop conducting national vaccine experiments on the American people.

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#4 | Posted by Ray,

Great point!

But they'll remind you that reptoids built the smoke stacks on the moon, give each other a few attaboys and blog on contently.

The link I posted doesn't work. Let's try again.
www.nvic.org

A couple of weeks ago, they were saying the mild H1N1 virus isn't mutating.

We have no idea whether this is actually caused by a mutation or not, Ray. And all I've said is previous outbreaks have shown that the virus doesn't significantly mutate until there is widespread immunity.

That was to silence those who argued that the vaccine makes can't predict the virulent strain because it mutates too fast.

No, it was because that's what previous experiences have shown.

There's also a possibility that I'm right, in that this could be caused by a reassortment and not a mutation, which would not affect the efficacy of the vaccine if it's not the structural proteins involved.

#8 | Posted by jpw

Here's how it sums up: "We have to do a lot of guessing but you should trust us because we're the CDC."

BTW, I got a letter and a phone message from them wanting me to participate in a survey. As anyone can guess, I ignored them. You never know what you say to those worthless pigs can be used against you. They're a front for big pharma.

A couple of weeks ago, they were saying the mild H1N1 virus isn't mutating.

People are constantly being infected with different influenza viruses, so there is an ever-present chance that the virus could undergo reassortment with one of them. There is always a chance that there could be a spontaneous mutation that confers greater virulence Same with any influenza a virus.

A couple of weeks ago, when that article was published, the sequences were very homogenous. The virus wasn't evolving rapidly. Here are the sequences, and here is a free tool that you can use to compare them. Read the directions, they're fairly self-explanatory. I haven't looked at the latest sequences from the last part of August, but until that point everything from Tokyo to New York seemed fairly similar.

The important thing to realize is that the virus does not need to mutate to exhibit increased virulence in certain hosts!.

Everybody already knew that the new influenza virus ordinarily causes mild disease, but it also has the potential to be a killer in some. Individuals differ widely in their susceptability and response to the same virus. A virus that causes mild disease in some may cause severe symptoms in others. Look at dengue, west nile, or powassan viruses. Different hosts with different histories respond very differently to the same virus. Most people have mild symptoms from west nile virus, but every now and then people get their brains melted by it. There's game-ending killer strain of west nile floating around though.

Disease is the end result of the damage caused by viral replication and the damage caused by the host's response to infection. Variation in either can alter the severity of disease. The 10-15% of people who are young, previously healthy, and coming down with severe disease are likely the victims of their own immune response. It has already been demonstrated that infection by the new virus triggers a more robust inflammatory response than infection by seasonal viruses.
The same thing is seen in infection by highly pathogenic avian influenza viruses, the SARS coronavirus, Hantaviruses, certain encephalitis viruses, hepatitis B and C, and others.

Oops that should read: "There's NO game-ending killer strain of west nile floating around though."

Here's how it sums up: "We have to do a lot of guessing but you should trust us because we're the CDC."

Do you think that you, having no background in the subject matter beyond what you have gleaned from crackpot websites, are more of an authority on the subject matter than people who spend their careers studying this virus and its history?

If you do, you're insane.

They have a career studying this virus? I thought their job was to create scare fiction and collect government grant money.

The flu kills many times more people every year then terrorism. Yet the fRighties would much rather spend money to fight terror, then to provide healthcare for all.

#14 Posted by whatsleft

LOL What was diablo just saying on the 'gerbil' thread? I'll add whatsleft to my list. You couldn't have timed that post any better, whatsleft.

I thought their job was to create scare fiction and collect government grant money.

You thought? No, you don't think. Or if you do, it is with the clarity and pace of molasses. That's why you regularly post shit like this.

#12 | Posted by ZombieHunter

Do you think that you, having no background in the subject matter beyond what you have gleaned from crackpot websites, are more of an authority on the subject matter than people who spend their careers studying this virus and its history?

You can play that card all though flu season. It's one inflated bogeyman after another. The establishment lost its credibility from being wrong too many times.

On the first day of spring, we'll see who gets bragging rights.

WHO's on first?

On the first day of spring, we'll see who gets bragging rights.

Why then? Most people have already seen. You simply won't open your eyes because as long as you remain ignorant, there's a remote chance in your mind that you might be right. You will just ignore any data that is gathered between now and that point, just as you do now with data that has been gathered previously. You have a pet ideology, and reality is something that can be re-interpreted as necessary so that it is compatible with your beliefs.

It does not matter if someone attempts to address your misconceptions. It does not matter if anyone systematically dismantles your irrational conspiracy theories. Yours is a rather fundamentalist mindset - you will believe whatever you want to, facts be damned.

What have they seen? All I see is one missed call after another. If I bought a car that turns out to be a lemon, I don't have to be an expert in car design to know the car is a lemon.

Take ample amounts of Vitamin D, the sunshine vitamin. The lack of it is the reason why we have a cold and flu season. It boosts our immune system so it can fight off any virus no matter what the strain. And best of all, it's cheap and safe.

Yours is a rather fundamentalist mindset - you will believe whatever you want to, facts be damned.

I could say the same to you regarding nutrition.

Here's how it sums up: "We have to do a lot of guessing but you should trust us because we're the CDC."
Do you think that you, having no background in the subject matter beyond what you have gleaned from crackpot websites, are more of an authority on the subject matter than people who spend their careers studying this virus and its history?
If you do, you're insane.

#12 | POSTED BY ZOMBIEHUNTER

YES THEY DO..

The flu kills many times more people every year then terrorism. Yet the fRighties would much rather spend money to fight terror, then to provide healthcare for all.

#14 | POSTED BY WHATSLEFT

yep.. time and again the war in Iraq and afghanistan will cost double what the new healthcare would have cost us over 10 years.

Its ok to piss away 2.5 trillion dollars in a war that has done NOTHING, but bad business to have healthy citizenry.. Talk about fucked up thinking.

yep.. time and again the war in Iraq and afghanistan will cost double what the new healthcare would have cost us over 10 years.

Its ok to piss away 2.5 trillion dollars in a war that has done NOTHING, but bad business to have healthy citizenry.. Talk about fucked up thinking.

#22 | Posted by Legio at 2009-08-29 04:43 PM |

Perhaps you need to contact your representative, your senator, and yes, even your president.

BTW. How have they been voting?

On second thought, you'll probably feel better if you just send Cindy Sheehan some walking around money. Don't you think?

Will it top the normal death rate?

Death rate extrapolations for USA for Flu: 63,729 per year, 5,310 per month. Note: this automatic extrapolation calculation uses the deaths statistic: 63,730 annual deaths for influenza and pneumonia (NVSR Sep 2001); estimated 20,000 deaths from flu (NIAID)

dropping in your local water supply soon...

The WHO lies perpetually regarding infectious threats. Why should anyone believe them today?

Because it is the chosen one, not Bush anymore.

Perhaps you need to contact your representative, your senator, and yes, even your president.
BTW. How have they been voting?
#23 | POSTED BY WASHBOARD

been done many a time..and they are voting with their wallets.

The WHO lies perpetually regarding infectious threats. Why should anyone believe them today?

#27 | POSTED BY REDLIGHTROBOT

Possible outcomes don't mean "lie" these are done to be able to calculate a military or civilian defense response to said disaster if it happens..

It has only been 60 years since we have had a REAL threat like Polio causing a major disruption in our day to day life. Those that experienced that didn't think it was something to scoff at.

Another Flu outbreak similiar to the 1919 would be devastating to economic and the socio-political scene.

The WHO lies perpetually regarding infectious threats. Why should anyone believe them today?
#27 | POSTED BY REDLIGHTROBOT

Possible outcomes don't mean "lie" these are done to be able to calculate a military or civilian defense response to said disaster if it happens..
It has only been 60 years since we have had a REAL threat like Polio causing a major disruption in our day to day life. Those that experienced that didn't think it was something to scoff at.
Another Flu outbreak similiar to the 1919 would be devastating to economic and the socio-political scene.
#30 | Posted by Legio at 2009-08-29 07:46 PM

2003 WHO covered up the fact that SARS was en route to Canada from China at the behest of the Chinese Government. They also permit thimerosal in their vaccinations world-wide, undoubtedly at a profit.

i wasn't aware that the WHO covered it as I thought it was China and the Doctor that exposed it under arrest in China.

www.medicalnewstoday.com

The thiomersal debacle is another story. Most of that has to do with Eli Lilly and the influenza vaccine and influence via graft of WHO individual doctors.

In the US Merthiolate is being phased out and is not necessary with live vaccine nasally.

The autism junk is not valid though.

...requiring expensive hospital treatment, the World Health Organization said on Friday.

In other words, if you don't have insurance you and your family is screwed.

...unless of course you don't believe in engineered virus.

Ray believes in some pretty nutty, entirely unproven shit that is tantamount to a religion anyway. No peer-reviewed publication would touch that kind of insanity. He's a lot like you - willing to ignore any amount of evidence in order to keep the world seemingly in line with his beliefs. You should get along well.

#534 | Posted by ZombieHunter

The zombie is bothered that I don't take him, the CDC and WHO on faith. Peer-reviews have a weakness for protecting the old order.

If Zombie is willing to look at the evidence that nutrition has a profound effect on disease, I don't see signs of it.

Medical Fascism in Massachussetts

The United States of America is devolving into medical fascism and Massachusetts is leading the way with the passage of a new bill, the "Pandemic Response Bill" 2028, reportedly just passed by the MA state Senate and now awaiting approval in the House. This bill suspends virtually all Constitutional rights of Massachusetts citizens and forces anyone "suspected" of being infected to submit to interrogations, "decontaminations" and vaccines.

It's also sets fines up to $1,000 per day for anyone who refuses to submit to quarantines, vaccinations, decontamination efforts or to follow any other verbal order by virtually any state-licensed law enforcement or medical personnel. You can read the text yourself here: www.mass.gov

Here's some of the language contained in the bill:

(Violation of 4th Amendment: Illegal search and seizure)

During either type of declared emergency, a local public health authority... may exercise authority... to require the owner or occupier of premises to permit entry into and investigation of the premises; to close, direct, and compel the evacuation of, or to decontaminate or cause to be
decontaminated any building or facility; to destroy any material; to restrict or prohibit assemblages of persons;

(Violation of 14th Amendment; illegal arrest without a warrant)

...an officer authorized to serve criminal process may arrest without a warrant any person whom the officer has probable cause to believe has violated an order given to effectuate the purposes of this subsection and shall use reasonable diligence to enforce such order. [Gunpoint]

(Government price controls)

The attorney general, in consultation with the office of consumer affairs and business regulation, and upon the declaration by the governor that a supply emergency exists, shall take appropriate action to ensure that no person shall sell a product or service that is at a price that unreasonably exceeds the price charged before the emergency.

More ...

vix medicatrix naturae.

Ray has a valid point. Your diet (and exercise and stress) is the most important thing to consider regarding immunity.

What shouldn't be trusted are any of those food pyramids and the other governmental RDAs. It requires a little investigation on the part of the end user (you) to determine your optimum diet, but the principles are pretty simple, and summed up nicely by Michael Pollan: "Eat food, not too much, mostly plants". To which I would add, grass fed meats and cook with only olive or coconut oils.

Your diet (and exercise and stress) is the most important thing to consider regarding immunity.

Absolutely untrue.

I can't believe how many people are blowing out of proportion good health. Yes, obviously eating right, exercising regularly and sleeping the right amount (ie being HEALTHY) will reduce illnesses and lessen the severity of those you do get.

It will not, however, prevent infection (you will still be catching everything), nor can it completely prevent illness or the arisal of symptoms. They can be lessened in severity and duration obviously, but not completely prevented.

how they've been studying it for years and you mind-numbed sheople better get into line with the cause

Not at all, just don't post erroneous information as a reason to not get a vaccine(s) and call the CDC/WHO bullshitters when you yourself are posting bullshit.

It will not, however, prevent infection...

Preventing infection IMHO paradoxically is getting out and getting "dirty" and coming in contact with germs. Also eschew antibiotics when the doctor prescribes them -- unless a major infection like pneumonia, of course. (of course the type of people who go to the doctor for every little sniffle will take them anyway)

I've done these things and raised my son to do these things. While other kids he was around with growing up always were gulping the ubiquitous "pink stuff" the doctors prescribed, we never gave it to him. Both of us are rarely sick and almost always avoid the flu du an.

You body needs to stay on its toes to properly fight infections.

Tax us and suspend the Constitution!!! Fake "science" is so much more important!

Overblown. If this flu goes straight to anything, it would be your wallet.