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Earth could soon be entering a new Ice Age, according to scientists at Oregon State University and other institutions, in a study to be released this week by Science magazine.

"Sometime around now, scientists say, the Earth should be changing from a long interglacial period that has lasted the past 10,000 years and shifting back towards conditions that will ultimately lead to another ice age - unless some other forces stop or slow it," states a release from Oregon State University.

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I am sure Libearls will come up with a way for government to "solve" the problem which includes raising taxes and giving lots of money to third world countries.

Time to look into invading those equatorial countries in Africa. Property there will be worth a fortune.

They are wrong on the last ice age.

The Earth has had two mini ice age occur in the 1600's and back some time in Roman days (?).

en.wikipedia.org

Can't they admit they don't know nothing about nothing?

Im sure Republicans will just say NO to any bill that would protect the environment. The PUBS are a threat to our National Security and should be kept out of power.

AlGore is going to be pissed.

"African Ministers Meet to Agree On How to Milk Billions From the West For Non-Existent Global Warming"

gatewaypundit.blogspot.com

The race is on.

How many billions will we send to Obama's homeland, Kenya?

Oregon State? Stupid fucking southern rednecks...

Red State morons...

We must cease all fossil-fuel consumption immediately! Except for India and China.

We may be able to prolong the inevitable by a week!

Where are all the scientists whining about GW? Isn't this just another example of GW, getting cold for any number of years before REALLY heating up, again?

What happened? Has man-made CO2 production gone down in China and India???

NO??? Then what the fuck, over ...

Uh oh.. we must start burning more carbon fuels to heat up the planet.. and encouraging more cow flatulence.. something that Al Gore might be well suited for.

We must cease all fossil-fuel consumption immediately! Except for India and China.

Are you kidding? An ice age would devastate farming in every country above the tropics. We need lots of carbon in the atmosphere and need it now! I call for government subsidized SUV production immediately! Leave all your lights on, and not those wussy CFL's. We need incandescent lights by the billions! Keep your AC at 65 in the summer and at 85 in the winter and let it run all day... with the doors and windows open!

This is a crisis!

#14 | Posted by moomanfl

Better yet, let's burn all of our crop-land for fuel, create MORE carbon emmisions over the entire process AND use about 50 times more valuable fresh water in the refining process than oil in the process - ethanol mandates.

Yep, that will REALLY stop this from happening.

Actually, this "ice age" has long been considered a possible effect of "global warming". That is:
if the waters of the Atlantic heat up, this will cause Greenland to lose more glaciers. That water will melt off into the Atlantic in sufficient quantities to shut off the Gulf Stream. This will cause much of Europe and parts of North America to cool greatly, to the extent of causing a prolonged cold-snap - aka "ice age".

One of the faithful, "Actually, this 'ice age' has long been considered a possible effect of 'global warming'."

Let's see, now: If CO2 causes GW, and CO2 is still increasing ... we'll get more Global Cooling ...

I guess the chicken-little faithful can have it both ways: CO2 causes Global Warming and CO2 causes Global Cooling, and your friendly weatherman can tell you when it is colder and warmer based on increasing CO2?

Would lowering CO2 then cause Global Cooling or Global Warming?

Partisan estupidos say both ...

Think Zat could drag himself out of his global warmed wading pool to comment and tell us that this is BS.

I better hurry up and cash my carbon credits.

#17 | Posted by tadowe

That would be based on your unyielding belief that something can have only one effect - the straightline effect, right?

That's why the very models that disbelievers in "climate change" so ridicule are so necessary to the entire phenomenon.

#20 | Posted by AILtd at 2009-08-24 04:48 PM

Listen up just one time, AI - CO2 is not the principle cause of either Global Warming or Global Cooling, because whatever effect mankind has on its relatively constant level of 0.035% of the atmosphere, it doesn't have any significant impact on either GW or GC.

The two main factors for GW/GC are the Sun and H2O in the atmosphere ... if you can squeeze those facts into your partisan believers skull ...

CO2 is a bete noire, a scarecrow erected to frighten the chicken shit cowards into believing the lies your PT Barnum weathermen issue to support Al Gore's efforts to curb the CO2 market ...

... and you are a faithful supporter of the abortioners, Democrats trying to control society through increased taxes on imagined CATASTROPHE ...

... just like their hero, Herman Goering:

IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED

GW/GC is just another Big Lie told by 'leaders' to force compliance by the public. What did Obama say in 'leadership'?

Global Warming CRISES

The Leader Repeats the Big Lie ala Herman Goering ...

... and you goosesteppers follow that drumbeat ...

... off to GW war with you, AI ...

Really. Is there anyone out there who still buys the global warming bs?

I would have thought when the temperatures on mars were seen to have gone up at the same time the temps on earth this might have caused most people to hesitate.

Really. Raise my taxes because of co2?

How long could sane people be expected to believe?

-Really. Is there anyone out there who still buys the global warming bs?

Only 97 percent of Climatologists.

But then, Zuloser knows best.

"CO2 is not the principle cause of either Global Warming or Global Cooling, because whatever effect mankind has on its relatively constant level of 0.035% of the atmosphere, it doesn't have any significant impact on either GW or GC." - Tad

That would be your belief. And worth exactly that much.

AI says, "That would be your belief. And worth exactly that much."

Well, does our 15% of 0.035% of the atmosphere cause GW, or not?

What do we do, now that it is cooling? Do we increase our output to 20% and thereby increase the world's CO2 level to 0.0362%???

Will that increase Global Cooling, as at present, or will it cause Global Warming, which is cooling?

Isn't it your faith that can't decide, except in favor of Global Warming?

Isn't this cooling period inconvenient, though? I mean the CATASTROPHE seems a bit, well ... you know ... a Big Lie like Herman mentioned ...?

Well, does our 15% of 0.035% of the atmosphere cause GW, or not?

What do we do, now that it is cooling? Do we increase our output to 20% and thereby increase the world's CO2 level to 0.0362%???

I dunno. Vermin's the one with the calculator.

#25 | Posted by tadowe

Let's see - two things. First, that's not the first time your argument has seen the light of day. I've seen it discussed and refuted on other forums. So, your opinion is just that, an opinion. Second, which part of what I presented in my first post on this thread (#20) are you disagreeing with?

Doc steps on the bait ... sheesh ...

Isn't it your faith that can't decide, except in favor of Global Warming?

Isn't this cooling period inconvenient, though? I mean the CATASTROPHE seems a bit, well ... you know ... a Big Lie like Herman mentioned ...?

#25 | Posted by tadowe at 2009-08-24 05:51 PM | Reply | Flag: Tadowe regurgitates the rethug lies before he even reads the last two sentences of the article

But these are processes that literally move with glacial slowness, and due to greenhouse gas emissions the Earth has already warmed as much in about the past 200 years as it ordinarily might in several thousand years, Clark said.

"One of the biggest concerns right now is how the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets will respond to global warming [Global warming is the increase in the average measured temperature of the Earth's near-surface air and oceans in the-20th century, and its projected continuation.] and contribute to sea level rise," Clark said. "This study will help us better understand that process, and improve the validity of our models."

I wonder if the ice age will happen before or after these;

1) Jesus comes back,
2) The Mayan calender expires.
3) Swine flu kills everyone.
4) Terrorists kill everyone.
5) And asteroid strikes the earth and kills everyone.
7) Yellowstone volcano blows and turns all americans into terra cotta.
8) roving hoardes of zombies eating everyones brains.
9) Pestulent, projectile diarhhea
10) Oh, and global wanrming heats the earth to a boiling caldren and kills everyone.

"Only 97 percent of Climatologists."

Corky is pulling numbers out of his ass again.

To be fair to the global warming androids: global cooling is as big a fraud. These are "scientists" jockeying for funding position. Pathetic.

www.globalwarminghoax.com

Ph.D. fraud is as bad as welfare fraud.

Quick question for man-made global warming believers.

Which has a much larger effect on the earths temperature CO2 or water?

If you answered CO2 then you are either on heavy amounts of Kool-Aid or a perfect candidate for Al Gore's fairy tales.

More Global Warming Denial from Larry Solomon?

Wot's our resident one trick pony up to now?

FTA: Sometime around now, scientists say, the Earth should be changing from a long interglacial period that has lasted the past 10,000 years and shifting back towards conditions that will ultimately lead to another ice age - unless some other forces stop or slow it. But these are processes that literally move with glacial slowness, and due to greenhouse gas emissions the Earth has already warmed as much in about the past 200 years as it ordinarily might in several thousand years, Clark said.

"One of the biggest concerns right now is how the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets will respond to global warming and contribute to sea level rise," Clark said. "This study will help us better understand that process, and improve the validity of our models."

Historical models indicate that earth is moving out of an interglacial age into a new ice age?

Yes, that's wot all them articles in the seventies were about that GW deniers so luff to refer to.

You'll notice the scientists in this article are not GW deniers.

They are trying to understand the mechanics of historical ice ages and climate shifts in order to better understand the effects of global warming going on now.

Nice try, Larry.

Be Well.

Can't they admit they don't know nothing about nothing?

#4 | Posted by MURPHY

Can you?

Can you?

#36 | Posted by ZOT at 2009-08-25 09:01 AM | Reply

Oooooh buuuuuuurn!
You're a fucking tool.

Actually, this "ice age" has long been considered a possible effect of "global warming". That is:
if the waters of the Atlantic heat up, this will cause Greenland to lose more glaciers. That water will melt off into the Atlantic in sufficient quantities to shut off the Gulf Stream. This will cause much of Europe and parts of North America to cool greatly, to the extent of causing a prolonged cold-snap - aka "ice age".

#16 | Posted by AILtd
* * * * * *

You're 24, and you still believe in leprechauns?

You're a fucking tool.

#37 | Posted by 101Chairborne

No, that would be a fucking machine, so my GF tells me.

Actually, this "ice age" has long been considered a possible effect of "global warming". That is:
if the waters of the Atlantic heat up, this will cause Greenland to lose more glaciers. That water will melt off into the Atlantic in sufficient quantities to shut off the Gulf Stream. This will cause much of Europe and parts of North America to cool greatly, to the extent of causing a prolonged cold-snap - aka "ice age".

#16 | Posted by AILtd

Actually, I thought the process was that melting icecaps will dilute the seawater in that area, and the consequent decreased salinity will allow a larger area to freeze over (less salt = higher freezing point). Even a thin layer of ice, that is not representative of the whole world climate, but just the salinity of the seas in that area, will result greater reflection of sun's heat, and cool down the planet... perhaps leading to more ice/les heat cooling cycle starting?
Probably hard to say if the global warming will balance out against such effects...maybe the GW is just enought to balance heat loss, or maybe its too much and the ice will not form, and will just melt to seawater and spread out, with no decreased salinity cooling factor. WE can't predict long term.
But we can predict short term: polluted drinking water, land and air. WHy not focus on pollution from a quality of life standard, in terms of clean water, clear land, clean air, etc.. than argue over unknowns. In the end, the steps to reduce GW conditions or just live a cleaner life are probably the same.

#38 | Posted by rightisright

If you've never heard that theory, you are definitely too ignorant to be commenting on the entire climate change discussion.

#40 | Posted by JimmiG

In _very_ simple form - it has to do with colder water forcing warmer water deeper. Salinity is in play because it is a factor in bouyancy. It's a different theory than the one you brought up.

Oh--I've heard the theory. Even saw the movie, where a speech by a Dick Cheney lookalike flash-freezes planet earth, and a cute girl cuts her leg on a taxi.

#43 | Posted by rightisright

Whatever movie that was has nothing to do with the theory. That you conflate the two renders your argument meaningless.

If you've heard the theory then you know it is a very viable one and one which is debated in climate science circles. The outstanding issue being how much melting is required, not that it couldn't happen.

What's my argument? That I don't consider every theory to have value?

My point has always been that we're going to look back from posterity and consider the global warming/climate change hysteria and simply that. It'll be hard to believe that anyone took it seriously.

"we're going to look back from posterity"

No one will be here to look back.

"The consensus among biologists is that we now are moving toward another mass extinction that could rival the past big five. This potential sixth great extinction is unique in that it is caused largely by the activities of a single species. It is the first mass extinction that humans will witness firsthandand not just as innocent bystanders. "
www.earth-policy.org

Party on!

Ice Age Coming

If the data gleaned from the Vostok ice core is any indication, this is probably true.

All the non scientist out here talking about things they have zero understanding of. If science is so bad, then why do you see a doctor when sick, why do you take medicine. Why do you use a car, deodarant, a refrigerator. Without science you wouldn't have most of the luxuries that exist today. Without scientist then people would be fucked. Just ask those from "love canal",or the children of the 50's-60's who owe so much to Frances Kelsey, to those new fangled tsunami warnings, to America owing it's position of power to SCIENCE!!

LM

I personally don't identify as much with "scientists", but more with inventors. So, rather, power to invention, not "science".

So long as the military industrial complex is alive enough to continually kick us, solutions won't happen. Disclosure NOW.

What are chemtrails? Specifically, how are they used?

Come on "science" - do tell us.

So, rather, power to invention, not "science".

Scientist understanding of the nuclear reeaction is why the USA is most powerful. Nuclear subs, air-craft carriers, and the missiles.

LM

missed a quote.....sorry....

I believe most Science says chemtrails are contails. I am no expert on that field and haven't investigated into it so I will let those who like to yell about them out here do so.

LM

"So, rather, power to invention, not "science"."

Scientist understanding of the nuclear reeaction is why the USA is most powerful. Nuclear subs, air-craft carriers, and the missiles.
LM
#50 | Posted by Liberal_Mongrel at 2009-08-26 03:04 PM

A cold fusion has been considered "quackery" for how long now?

Cold Fusion 'Evidence' Unveiled
March 24, 2009 -- Researchers at a U.S. Navy laboratory have unveiled what they say is "significant" evidence of cold fusion, a potential energy source that has many skeptics in the scientific community.

The scientists described what they called the first clear visual evidence that low-energy nuclear reaction (LENR), or cold fusion devices can produce neutrons, subatomic particles that scientists say are indicative of nuclear reactions.

"Our finding is very significant," said analytical chemist Pamela Mosier-Boss of the U.S. Navy's Space and Naval Warfare Systems Center (SPAWAR) in San Diego, Calif.

"To our knowledge, this is the first scientific report of the production of highly energetic neutrons from a LENR device," added the study's co-author in a statement.

The study's results were presented at the annual meeting of the American Chemical Society in Salt Lake City, Utah.

The city is also the site of an infamous presentation on cold fusion 20 years ago by Martin Fleishmann and Stanley Pons that sent shockwaves across the world.

Despite their claim to cold fusion discovery, the Fleishmann-Pons study soon fell into discredit after other researchers were unable to reproduce the results.

Scientists have been working for years to produce cold fusion reactions, a potentially cheap, limitless and environmentally-clean source of energy.

Paul Padley, a physicist at Rice University who reviewed Mosier-Boss's published work, said the study did not provide a plausible explanation of how cold fusion could take place in the conditions described.

"It fails to provide a theoretical rationale to explain how fusion could occur at room temperatures. And in its analysis, the research paper fails to exclude other sources for the production of neutrons," he told the Houston Chronicle.

"The whole point of fusion is, you're bringing things of like charge together. As we all know, like things repel, and you have to overcome that repulsion somehow."

But Steven Krivit, editor of the New Energy Times, said the study was "big" and could open a new scientific field.

The neutrons produced in the experiments "may not be caused by fusion but perhaps some new, unknown nuclear process," added Krivit, who has monitored cold fusion studies for the past 20 years.

"We're talking about a new field of science that's a hybrid between chemistry and physics."

"A cold fusion has been considered "quackery" for how long now?"

I wouldn't call it quackery, but highly implausible as was described by original experiment. Since many scientist still investigate it, and have continued to do so, shows it's inherent validity in the field of science as open to extremes than does say religion. Science and scientist have continued search for many things called quackery, black holes, time travel, cold fusion, dark matter, UFO, placebo effect,and teh list goes on. I mean searching for a live coelacanth was something only a loony scientist would have done 75 years ago.

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