Apparently, the Mexican government is rapidly realizing they can't win this idiotic War on Drugs which is really a misnomer, it should be called the War on Human Nature.

In an unrelated story, Mexican officals have recently declared illegal immigration from America has become the number one problem in their country.

so I dont know which of the first two posts are satire and which isnt....(relax..teasing)

I am sure that millions of americans will sign on for this here now that mexico has done it.. I mean what better country to immulate than mexico..right????

They legalized 0.015 milligrams of LSD. Do you think that includes carrier weight? If so, no sugarcubes in Mexico.

AFk,
I don't know if my post was satire, or fortune telling to be quite frank. I just told my office manager that Mexico just solved the immigration problem.

"They legalized 0.015 milligrams of LSD. "

That's only 15 micrograms. That wouldn't get anything other than a small animal tripping.

Mexico is decriminalising small amounts of drugs?

Again?

That's only 15 micrograms. That wouldn't get anything other than a small animal tripping

True, but I am wondering if it included carrier weight. A friend of mine got caught about 20 years ago and they charged him for the weight of the paper as well as the LSD on it.

"War on Drugs which is really a misnomer"

That's true. It's really a War on Some Drugs.

The war on drugs, crime, homeless, etc are all wars on People. The only casulaties are people, the drugs, crime, homelessness remain unchanged.

"I am sure that millions of americans will sign on for this here now that mexico has done it.. I mean what better country to immulate than mexico..right????"

Apparently so, because the Republican Party has definitely been trying to, and succeeding BTW, for thirty years now. Once they have completely destroyed the middle class they will have completely succeeded to their goal.

War on Human Nature.
#1 | POSTED BY DANNI
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"It's not a war on drugs, It's a war on personal freedom thats what it is, ok? Keep that in mind at all times, Thank you"

- Bill Hicks

Bill Hicks and George Carlin were not comedians. They were people who told us a truth so horrible, our only sane reaction was to laugh or kill ourselves. We lost these great men far too soon.

Bill Hicks

"controversial law"?

Only to the "Just Say No" crowd who have either tried it and didn't like it or have never tried it.

Go mix yourselves a drink and wash a couple of xanax down.

While I think that US drug policies are stupid and wasteful, those of you hailing Mexico as a shining example of good drug policies should stop to consider that Mexico is currently being divided into several fiefdoms run by drug dealing warlords and that only a civil war is likely to stop it. They're turning into Afghanistan over there only their religion is less influential and idiotic. Pretty soon, nothing will be illegal.

VIVA MEXICO!

Yeah Mexico is having their problems with the drug cartels who want to take advantage of the profit potential created by America's War on Drugs.

No War on Drugs...No Drug Cartels.

How come there aren't any Alcohol Cartels fighting each other???

HA!
There used to be during the failed experiment known as "prohibition"
Of course you can't tell that to anyone who thinks
we is gonna "immulate"...gahuck gahuck...

"Yeah Mexico is having their problems with the drug cartels who want to take advantage of the profit potential created by America's War on Drugs."

If you're trying to make a case that its our fault that almost every Mexican who is presented the opportunity to sell out his people to the cartels does so, save it.

They've elevated the worst among them to the top of the heap after having been bought off very cheaply and they have nobody to blame but themselves now that the obvious consequences of handing their country over to gangters are taking effect.

How come there aren't any Alcohol Cartels fighting each other???

There certainly were during prohibition.

This is good news, a mass exodus of drug addicted scumbags from the US to Mexico. DR lefties can line up now. When they try to come back arrest em for possession.

"They've elevated the worst among them to the top of the heap after having been bought off very cheaply and they have nobody to blame but themselves now that the obvious consequences of handing their country over to gangters are taking effect."

Turning it into a moralistic decision made by poor people who no say in what happened is just ridiculous. As if you even know what you would do had you been born a poor peasant in Mexico. We see similar activities beginning right here in our own country. It is a simple fact of life that when people are poor and there is an opportunity to make lots of money some are going to take that opportunity regardless of teh dangers involved. Here in S. Florida we had a couple decades of Cocaine Cowboys shootng up the place, not nearly as bad as Mexico but then people here weren't nearly as poor.

but I am wondering if it included carrier weight.

What do you mean? An African or European swallow?

In an unrelated story, Mexican officals have recently declared illegal immigration from America has become the number one problem in their country.

#2 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-08-21 11:45 AM

FF!

In an unrelated story, Mexican officals have recently declared illegal immigration from America has become the number one problem in their country. Kanrei

Gets my vote for your best post ever Kanrei!

Thank you, thank you.

An African or European swallow?

Oh, but enough about my weekend!

Let's go smoke some pot!

Boogie!

Ole!

---SanAntonioRogue

Mexico's idea to legalize these drugs is brilliant. Anyone who wanted those drugs before could easily get them on the streets of Mexico or from a neighborhood dealer and it kept the drug cartels in business.

Next step should be to have the government of Mexico be the one to sell these drugs (but only to those over age 18). Face it, people who use drugs are going to get them anyway. But if the government sells the pot, coke, meth, whatever, then at least they can guarantee the purity of the drug and control the price and availability. No profit = no drug dealers.

By doing it that way the Mexican government has effectively DESTROYED their drug cartels without firing a shot.

Now we need to do something about the drug cartels' best customers -- the folks here in the U.S.

Did banning alcohol in the 1920s stop anyone from buying alcohol and/or becoming an alcoholic? No. In only drove the sales underground and the illegality only made it more enticing to many causing thousands of speakeasy's to pop up everywhere.

Let the governments of Mexico and the U.S. legalize drugs, supply them at government approved stores, control the prices and insure the quality, and you have then put the drug dealers out of business. You will have wiped out the thousands of gangs in this country who are always killing each other over control of who works what drug turf because by having the government legalize and supply the drugs the government has taken away the reason for these gangs' existence - PROFIT.

"Turning it into a moralistic decision made by poor people who no say in what happened is just ridiculous. As if you even know what you would do had you been born a poor peasant in Mexico."

I wouldn't know but my mother's family lived in poverty when she was a child and none of them sold out their neighbors to killers.

"It is a simple fact of life that when people are poor and there is an opportunity to make lots of money some are going to take that opportunity regardless of teh dangers involved. Here in S. Florida we had a couple decades of Cocaine Cowboys shootng up the place, not nearly as bad as Mexico but then people here weren't nearly as poor."

You know why its worse in Mexico? We aren't only talking about poor people. Corruption goes to the highest level there. People who have jobs and make a decent living there sell out for MORE money. Its not about survival. Its about greed. Fuck over your neighbors for a few extra bucks.

If we were talking rednecks you'd hold them accountable for their actions but since we are talking about brown people the patronzing attitude of "everything they do is a natural response to our actions" comes into play. As if they are animals responding to stimuli.

"everything they do is a natural response to our actions"

I didn't hear anybody say that. But if you're claiming the Mexican drug problems have nothing to do with U.S. policies you're stoned.

Now, watch what happens as addiction rates, particularly amongst children, start heading steadily up....

It will never happen in America. There is no money in legalized drugs that only lead to death and insanity. Take pot for example. There is a drug that has none of the side effects of meth or heroine or even cocaine but it is illegal because it is the only way the government can make money on it. If it was legal everyone would have a yard full of the best buds. You could walk down the road and choose from a dozen varieties that were hanging over the fence. The government could tax it all they want and the users would laugh all the way to their gardens.

Also, what would the cops do? Chase down unlicensed fertilizer? Half of them would no longer be needed, and that's true with the judges, lawyers and jailers.

Don't be fooled into thinking drug laws will ever be fair in the country. It's not profitable, and the government wouldn't be able to rip off millions of dollars a year in property, vehicles and cash, not to mention the drugs that get lost in the evidence room.

"Now, watch what happens as addiction rates, particularly amongst children, start heading steadily up...."

Posted by jonryker at 2009-08-21 04:14 PM

Yeah.
Too bad about Portugal.
Uh, wait ...

great psot data!

DAMN DYSLECTIA

Did banning alcohol in the 1920s stop anyone from buying alcohol and/or becoming an alcoholic?

Actually... yes it did (and I'm not in favor or prohibition).. but facts is facts as they say..

Consumption of alcohol in the US has only recently reached the levels again that it was prior to prohibition.. so like it or not, it did curtail a lot of drinking.

What's interesting especially to me, as a southern church goer. is that prohibition was not pushed primarily by churches.. but by the Womens Temperance Union, who were sick of their husbands and fathers being drunk. Churches climbed on that bandwagon later. Most Southern Baptists for instance, are unaware that by and large, Baptists had no problem with drinking until the women started in on them..

Jack Daniels bought his first still from a preacher up in Lynchburg, TN

And just north of me in Dawsonville, GA, is where moonshiners racing their vehicles on Saturday nights evolved into Nascar.. in fact several of the first Nascar stars had done time for hauling "shine."

Pass the bottle.

from Data's #34 link:

"Under the Portuguese plan, penalties for people caught dealing and trafficking drugs are unchanged; dealers are still jailed and subjected to fines depending on the crime. But people caught using or possessing small amountsdefined as the amount needed for 10 days of personal useare brought before what's known as a "Dissuasion Commission," an administrative body created by the 2001 law.

"Each three-person commission includes at least one lawyer or judge and one health care or social services worker. The panel has the option of recommending treatment, a small fine, or no sanction."

"I didn't hear anybody say that. But if you're claiming the Mexican drug problems have nothing to do with U.S. policies you're stoned."

I understand that most of the drugs are being sold here. The notion that because some Mexicans make money selling drugs, most Mexicans must kowtow to drug gangs is still absurd.

Ordinary Mexicans decided in very large numbers to sell out their communities to brutal drug gangs. Every class right up to the highest levels of their society sold out. That is not a simple result or supply and demand and to pretend otherwise is an exercise in foolishness.

So while I understand that if not for us Mexicans would not be running drugs, I completely reject the bullshit idea that the extent of Mexico's problem with drug gangs is anyone's fault but the Mexicans. Just because there are drug gangs doesn't mean that the whole country has to sell out to them. People who could get by find without doing so are selling out their neighbors and selling them out cheap. That's their moral failing, not ours.

Here it comes, now we have to support usage of drugs to the weak minded regressive, marxist, liberal, lefty hippy morons, who don't have the where-with-all to be conscious of the day to day living that they have created. Jesus, come soon, this country is headed for one of the bloodiest civil wars ever seen on this planet. These liberal fucks don't know when to stop. Some drugged out piece of shit hurts or kills any of my family members, I guarantee retribution will be swift, they will never know what hit them. Where are the M.A.D.D. on this issue? Nothing worse than a brain surgeon strung out while performing lobotomies on statis.
obama will have Americans paying for the free drug treatments in mexico, nothing worse than a drugged out beaner, give them a uniform and they think they are Rambo. Hell, I take that back, a burnt out lazy ass lefty would be worse.

RIGHTNUT.. it is Friday.. relax and enjoy the weekend..

"Nothing worse than a brain surgeon strung out while performing lobotomies on statis."

Yeah, cuz making some drugs illegal prevents doctors from having access to drugs.
What drug are you on anyway???

What drug are you on anyway???

#42 | Posted by danni

He is probably on the worst drug of all...Religion.

14 year fucking late for me!!!!!

Thanks assholes!

I wonder if this means I can go back now..........

RIGHTNUT.. it is Friday.. relax and enjoy the weekend..

Rightnut is a liberal parody poster whose regular handle is...*********

Where are the M.A.D.D. on this issue?

#40 | Posted by rightnut

It's still ok to drink your drug. Don't worry.

Almost everybody self medicates one way or another. Alcohol, coffee, tobacco, or illegal drugs.

I think the biggest crime is ruining the lives of millions of young Americans because they were caught with a small quantity of an illegal substance that most Americans will try from time to time.

Do I want drugs legalized, NO. But do I want to continue to waste millions of tax payers dollars with a useless war on drugs and continue to lock up people for minor drug crimes and make them a burden on society instead of contributing by holding a job.

Tough call.

Apparently so, because the Republican Party has definitely been trying to, and succeeding BTW, for thirty years now. Once they have completely destroyed the middle class they will have completely succeeded to their goal.

#11 | Posted by danni

Them dems pass laws to make all thoes sins legal and them them damn reps get back in power and void all thoes great dem laws. What a circle jerk.

Happy to see this. Now all they need to do is legalize production and voila, all Mexican drug mobs are out of a job. Yes, those losers have to get real jobs now.

Mexico is more socialist than the US, so the production would probably be run by the government, kind of like they do with Pemex. Instead of a state oil company, it'd be a state drug company.

If they did that, violent crime would plummet and their citizens would enjoy a much higher quality of life.

Only if the US could be so smart... Alas.

After living in Mexico for a while and after drinking massive amounts of some damm fine teuila I've come to the conclusion that it's just PARTY TIME.

All the Mexicans want to do is fuck and have a good time. Now what's wrong with that?

In an unrelated story, Mexican officals have recently declared illegal immigration from America has become the number one problem in their country.

#2 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-08-21 11:45 AM

Hilarious FF !!

I fear that the consequences will not be what the gov't planned on.

The cops will still shake down people as they do not make enough money.

How does this law change that?

The drug amounts allowed will eventually get larger and nothing will have changed.

Except people to grow, cook, beeker their own--or just buy it.

#9 | POSTED BY NULLIFIDIAN
"War on Drugs which is really a misnomer"
"That's true. It's really a War on Some Drugs."

TheTom gives 2 kudos for that one!

Actually, this is a fascinating development. I will be interested to see how this plays out in Mexico in years to come. Hopefully good statistics involving property crimes, homelessness, and so forth are kept as a way of doing a "before and after" comparison of the impact of such policies. Personally, I hope it is successful and does not lead to greater social deterioration. If so, it might set a precedent for the U.S.

Some drugged out piece of shit hurts or kills any of my family members, I guarantee retribution will be swift, they will never know what hit them.

The voice of animosity.

Consumption of alcohol in the US has only recently reached the levels again that it was prior to prohibition.. so like it or not, it did curtail a lot of drinking.

The know better righteous.

I wonder if this means I can go back now..........

The learned.

so if I am a Tourist in Tiajuana being approached by street vendors for drugs how much can a Tourist have in their possession?

Mexico debt free in two years. Tops.

Consumption of alcohol in the US has only recently reached the levels again that it was prior to prohibition.. so like it or not, it did curtail a lot of drinking.

it reached a peak in 1980 and fell steadily until a slight rise began in 2000. It is still nowhere near the 1980 levels, though.

This'll be a good educational opportunity.

Cocaine, heroin and meth will all be decriminalized--effin' horrible idea. Ever know someone hooked on those?

Mexico--a country with incredible natural resources and beauty almost completely ruined by sin, socialism and corruption.

"Mexico--a country with incredible natural resources and beauty almost completely ruined by sin, socialism and corruption."

What a laughable post. Mexico....socialist....hilario
us. Mexico is closer to a fascist dictatorship than it is to socialist.

"Mexico--a country with incredible natural resources and beauty almost completely ruined by sin, socialism and corruption."

Smoke a bowl, Kirk. Maybe it will lubricate those rusty gears that passes for your brain.

Interesting that Mexico does this only days after the small summit between Colderon and Obama. I wonder if it was discussed, and if Calderon got the idea that this time around the U.S. would not try to interfere???

Let the governments of Mexico and the U.S. legalize drugs, supply them at government approved stores, control the prices and insure the quality, and you have then put the drug dealers out of business. You will have wiped out the thousands of gangs in this country who are always killing each other over control of who works what drug turf because by having the government legalize and supply the drugs the government has taken away the reason for these gangs' existence - PROFIT.

#29 | Posted by CalifChris
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I disagree with your post. What will happen is those gangs will ally up and start trying to shut down any government facilities that sell the stuff. They may even attempt to rob/steal their stashes and undercut the government price.

Instead of those gangs going after each other, they will jointly declare war on the government. Do you actually think these guys will willingly go away without a fight?

Lonnie

L17, you are predicting a gang war against the govt of Mexico, right? If that happens we might find out what the government there is capable of.

L17, you are predicting a gang war against the govt of Mexico, right? If that happens we might find out what the government there is capable of.

#64 | Posted by grumpy_too
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You betcha grumpy_too. That was based on the argument if the government took over growing the drugs themselves and selling it cutting out the drug cartels. It was a hypothetical argument. The Mexican government isn't doing that right now. They merely decriminalized possession. No fight between government and the cartels over that policy.

Lonnie

Ok... this is one of the places where I separate myself from those in the Rep party. While I don't use drugs, and never have, I think if you want to do them, who the fuck cares? Really, buy a meth lab at walmart and go home and cook up a batch. Better yet, let big pharma cook it up in industrial sized batches and sell them the same place you sell booze or cigs.

In fact, if you made the laws that would exempt pharma from a lawsuit, they would just about give the stuff away for free. And if you offered drug to people who were too poor to buy them, you could probably get home insurance companies to pay the cost (a good portion of theft is to support drug habits)...

And, we could take the profit from the sell of drugs to pay for treatment if anyone wants to get off the drugs... or for burying those that OD (still not a big waste... they would probably be criminals anyways)

Problem solved. LOL

"Instead of those gangs going after each other, they will jointly declare war on the government. Do you actually think these guys will willingly go away without a fight?"

When they can't make money off of drugs most of the fight will go out of them. The cartels may be powerful but they are not ready to take on the US military. Paranoid nonsense.

I am sure that millions of americans will sign on for this here now that mexico has done it.. I mean what better country to immulate than mexico..right????

#3 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-08-21 11:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

They legalized 0.015 milligrams of LSD. Do you think that includes carrier weight? If so, no sugarcubes in Mexico.

#4 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-08-21 11:48 AM

Did you mean immolate? I wants to immolate the fatty spliff on my front stoop!

L17, do you really think that a group of farly unorganized profit motivated thugs would really be able to stand a chance against a organized military machine (even if it is as crappy as the Mexican Armed Forces)? Thats a pretty lame argument, it seems that every time the Mexican officals decide to put the hammer down on cartels, they usually end up killing quite a few of their men and loosing relatively little. It seems that their unwillingness is not because of a fear of a fight, but because of rampant corruption, and unwillingness to take on the problems in thier country.

Get Real L17