Okay, riiightoids, have at this one. If you even dare.

But the sneaky nazi, socialist, closet muslim who wants to murder your grandma and the retards tricked us all into voting for him. That's riiiiight wing logic.

If this is true, could there be criminal charges brought? All we would need is one state where Bush won in 2004, but where the numbers were close, like Ohio, where the state's Attorney General could decided to open an investigation and this could blow the whole thing wide open.

OCU

Of course he was! Hasn't anyone noticed that there have been NO terror alerts issued since the elections? There was a barrage of alerts just before the elections then suddenly nothing!

What terror level are we at now? Anyone?

Is is "Get a Damn Helmet" or is it "Put the Damn Helmet On"? (thanks to Ron White fer that one!)

I remember back then suggesting such a thing got us called all sorts of names. Turns out some right wing tools owe some of us Democrats apologies. I won't hold my breath though.

"I remember back then suggesting such a thing got us called all sorts of names. Turns out some right wing tools owe some of us Democrats apologies. I won't hold my breath though."

Yep. As usual, the rtards had their heads up their asses.

Notice how quiet it's gotten, out there in the tall grass at the fartherstmost boundary of the north forty, out where the riiightie loons congregate to dance by the bonfire? Hmmmmm....

Guess the rtards don't want to touch this one. Yo, rtards! Where are thou?

#8 | Posted by nullifidian

A politician manipultated the public for personal gain?

What a shocker!

The dickbag deserves to be lambasted for this, but he's hardly unique in his field when it comes to this.

"A politician manipultated[sic] the public for personal gain?

What a shocker!"
...
#9 | Posted by JeffJ

Interfering with an American election is only a joke to rtards, as long as their guy wins.

Jeff agrees, "... he's hardly unique in his field when it comes to this."

You agree with the muckraking of Bush, but can't quite seem to find an example of those same efforts by Democrats ... to make it 'equal'?

No mention of "Enemies Lists" developed from ratfinking on emails forwarded to the Whitehouse?

No mention of the effort to turn the 'rightwing' into assassins and 'mobs' for votes and to defame Republicans?

No ... just more of your one-line agreements with neo-communists who will use it to further hate someone out of politics, for all practical purposes.

How proud you must be, right Jeff ...?

"just more of your one-line agreements with neo-communists"

I've always thought JeffJ was a neo-communist.

#11 | Posted by tadowe

The Bush administration played the game of politics.

If you want to argue that they did so to a less degree than Democrats - fine.

I have already commented on the media's blatant bias regarding coverage of crazies on the right in regards to anti-Obama sentiment vs. the disgusting lack of coverage of crazies on the left regarding _pick your issue_.

Those of us who claimed this back when it happened were told we were crazy for saying such things about the Prophet.

Okay, riiightoids, have at this one. If you even dare.

#1 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

If it's true, whatever!

The Democrats don't play politics?

Turns out some right wing tools owe some of us Democrats apologies.

No kidding. This is an astonishing abuse of power by the last president. Only three years after 9/11, he was manipulating the terror alert system for purely political purposes. How much money was spent because of the heightened alert? How many Americans have lived in fear because of the calculated efforts by the Republicans in power to scare them?

If the Democrats have any guts at all they will call a special prosecutor and investigate this to the hilt.

If it's true, whatever! The Democrats don't play politics?

Pathetic.

"If the Democrats have any guts at all they will call a special prosecutor and investigate this to the hilt."

That's a big "if". If they don't they are chumps.

Your agreement is gratuitous, something you can't seem to grasp. This would have been sufficient for your one-line intellectual post ...

A politician manipultated[sic] the public for personal gain? What a shocker!

Ridge's hearsay is no 'proof' and since he admits he wasn't privy to NSC information, and possibly because he had already shown his stripe to the administration ... and as he is doing now ...

... not gratuitously, but for notoriety and to sell books ...

However, you can't wait to blame ALL presidents, as if you actually were some sort of VIP insider talking to an idiot neo-commie like this one ...?

FO, your with pissant agreements ... how many is this, in the dozens, scores of 'agreements' with the liars of Yellow-dogism ...?

"FO, your with pissant agreements ..."

Did you hear what Tad said about you, Jeff? You going to take that lying down? Or kiss his butt?

If the Democrats have any guts at all they will call a special prosecutor and investigate this to the hilt.

The Democrats want to extend debatable rights to sadistic bigoted homophobes who slaughter women and kids for a fucked-up cause.

While I agree with you that this is very alarming and worthy of investigation, the DNC is hardly the body to do it. The DNC would gladly release Achmed, only to have him later slaughter hundreds of children, in order to gain political traction under the auspice of 'protecting' civil liberties.

I don't mean to deflect your point - just don't act as if the DNC would be anything other than self-interested if given the power to investigate this issue.

If it's true, whatever! The Democrats don't play politics?

Pathetic.

#17 | Posted by rcade

What is pathetic is that you go back to a former election to cover up the screwups happening today.

Cash-for-clunkers, for example, is a vote buying scheme at my expense!

Geez! It's all in the point of view!

I always thought that the terror alert system was a crock, didn't you?

Likewise, OMG!, didn't Obama aquire a great deal of votes by eluding to Free Gas and Government "taking care of a mortgage"!!!

Pathetic? Right!

You are a funny guy, RCade.

The Right Wing in this Country truly has no shame, for them to equate this fear of Terror on our Country to the current President trying to pass Health Care, is laughable if not so tragic. To put the whole Country on Alert of an eminent Attack knowing that it was not true go as low as anything I have ever heard. Richard Nixon can finally rest in peace, there is a new lowest scum to have ever served in the White House.....

Mr. Ridge, will get the full wrath of the Right Wing Attack Machine. This from a man who could have made History in our Country an RESIGNED at the time, this was not his finest hour, NO PROFILES IN COURAGE HERE!!!!!! One by one these former members of the Bush Administration have found that they have a conscience, an just maybe the COUNTRY should come first, what a concept.....

Ridge's hearsay is no 'proof'...

I didn't say it was proof.

My comment was rhetorical.

Just about every politician I have observed lies, to some extent, for personal gain. Some of these morons on the left act as if the GOP has a monopoly on this bullshit - hence my sarcasm.

This is an astonishing abuse of power by the last president. Only three years after 9/11, he was manipulating the terror alert system for purely political purposes

Sorry, RCade, but this fake outrage will not drown out the current crisis in the White House and Congress.

I agree it was an ineffective system, but abuse of power in a time of war? Doubtful. There was a great deal of terrorist activity in this country for a long time after 9/11 unless you think the FBI was faking it.

Look Tad,

If the Bush administration knowingly manipulated the terror alert system in attempt to stoke fear and gain votes, that is a reprehensible act. It's EXACTLY what the DNC and the Obama administration did when it rammed through a $787 Billion "stimulus" package.

I am not seeking 'agreement' with anyone. In fact, most of my posts are contentious. Having said that, I recognize douchebaggery when I see it and these lefty jerks are, sad to say, often correct when they call out the GOP for its bullshit.

#23 | Posted by celisary

No, Really, what is pathetic is that you think there was no real threat. The FBI was faking it all along.

But, wait.

FDR allowed the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor, but you like him...

Now, THAT'S pathetic.

Tadowe regardless of which president did this it isn't very ethical. If Obama was found to be doing it I would hope he would be impeached. You are such a partisan shill it amazes me. You have hated democrats since your military career was ruined. That isn't the dems fault. It was your own. Get over it. That was 30 plus years ago.

Jeff pouts, I recognize douchebaggery when I see it and these lefty jerks are, sad to say, often correct when they call out the GOP for its bullshit.

But you're so anxious to be on their neo-communist "team" you give support to their lies you "conservative" yellow-dog!!!

--Tadowe

See? It is already a fact to the dogs!

This person has already been caught misrepesenting the Bush administration, but any further claims are 'proof' to these communist wannabes.

The whole thread is a calculated misdirection, and intended to brainwash with the help of knowing stooges like Null and his ilk ... and you ...?

You get "shocked" and agree that 'everyone' does it ...

I wouldn't even be mentioning this, if it weren't about the twentieth time I've seen you attempt to cozen 'agreement' with bald-faced, partisanly intransigent liars of the left ...

... your attention to detail *stinks*! Get down and get me twenty, pussy ...

No, Tad.

It isn't 'fact' at all until proven so.

My sole point was that politicos do everything in their power to manipulate the masses. Rcade and others appeared shocked, at the possiblity, that the Bush admin. adopted some time-tested, politically successful strategies. I was mocking their faux outrage far more than I was seeking agreement, as you posit. I am actually a 'Tad' surprised that you failed to recognize my thrust for what it was.

If the Democrats have any guts at all they will call a special prosecutor and investigate this to the hilt.

Plus it might take the public's mind off of Obama's increasingly falling poll numbers and failed health care reforms and the country's deepening debt.

That's be ironic as hell, wouldn't it?

Pathetic? Right!

You are a funny guy, RCade

rcade probably doesn't remember Clinton releasing oil from the strategic reserves in 2000 prior to that election in order to lower gas prices -- an almost unprecedented move that wasn't necessary.

Nope, Dems don't play that game.

Notice how quiet it's gotten, out there in the tall grass at the fartherstmost boundary of the north forty, out where the riiightie loons congregate to dance by the bonfire? Hmmmmm....

#7 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

We are watching you dance in the firelight.

Seems like the same tatic BHO is using for the stimlus, Crap and Trade, and healthcare. We can't waste a trumped up problem now can we?

"If we don't pass this 1000+ page bill without anyone reading it, the whold world will slam down on our ass."

"Jeff agrees, "... he's hardly unique in his field when it comes to this."

You agree with the muckraking of Bush, but can't quite seem to find an example of those same efforts by Democrats ... to make it 'equal'?

No mention of "Enemies Lists" developed from ratfinking on emails forwarded to the Whitehouse?

No mention of the effort to turn the 'rightwing' into assassins and 'mobs' for votes and to defame Republicans?

No ... just more of your one-line agreements with neo-communists who will use it to further hate someone out of politics, for all practical purposes.

How proud you must be, right Jeff ...?"

Tadowe:

How about you come up with proof positive of all this equal malfeasance you claim on the part of Democrats? Your side is accused of some pretty heinous stuff, and if you want to prove our side as bad as yours, here's the bar:

Find me a Dem who manipulated a terror alert prior to an election.

Find me a Dem who fired prosecutors because they would not play ball politically. And don't give me any shit about how Presidents fire prosecutors all the time, because they are not supposed to do it for political reasons, period.

Find me a Dem who outed a CIA operative for revenge.

Find me a Dem who ignored all intelligence that did not support a rush to war in Iraq.

Find me a Dem who flouted the Geneva Conventions when holding detainees.

Find me a Dem who approved waterboarding.

Find me a Dem who did his damndest to dismantle habeas corpus.

Now maybe Bush and his cronies did these things and maybe they didn't, but if you're gonna use that tired old "Dems are just as bad as we're accused of being" shit, prove that your side did not do these things, and prove that Dems have done stuff just as bad.

Get back to me when you have a few facts and figures, mmkay? And no references to Rush - facts are a stranger to that boy, and Lord knows he ain't got no figure left.

Your tacit agreement with liars is the same effort at 'reasonableness' they demand of you, but always fail in returning, in kind.

Your agreement is taken as 100 percent, proof positive that they are correct, and whatever unstated qualification(s) you may have on your mind, but for brevity's sake don't state.

Besides that, the facts are that Republicans, whatever their faults, are orders less corrupt, venal and acquisitive as their Democrat counterparts. If Republicans do 'it,' then 10 Democrats have led the way ... ever since their mercantile interests were threatened by abolition ...

What is different, in the daily displays of intransigent partisanship, calumny, muckraking and PT Barnum propaganda ... than the equivalent in rightwing rhetoric?

Rightwing rhetoric is, however hyperbolic, in support of nation ... not party ...

You agree with petty tyrants when you aren't specific in your tacit collusion with their lies ...

Suck it up, troop, and quit agreeing with this party-over-nation puling pack of progressive poltroons ...

This person has already been caught misrepesenting the Bush administration, but any further claims are 'proof' to these communist wannabes.

#31 | Posted by tadowe

What a complete moron. Has anybody here ever said they wanted communism? I don't think so. That makes tadowe a liar.

Oorah:

He's still got more left over than any man should have to begin with.

"My sole point was that politicos do everything in their power to manipulate the masses."

Just about what I'd expect from you Jeff, partisan pretending that the really sickening behavior of Bush and his administration is typical of all politicians. Bull shit. Give some examples of STFU.

Tad,

From 2000-2006 the GOP had the power to truly reduce and constrain government.

They didn't.

Are the Dems worse?

Yes.

But you call yourself a Jeffersonian liberal. If you aren't appalled by the criminally poor governance of the GOP, when they had true power, I don't know what else to say.

The only other thing I have to say is for you to quit assigning a position to me that I have never taken. You are doing so in a manner that is so egregious that even Moneywar would blush. You couldn't be more wrong in the characterization of my views if you tried.

Wouldn't a better name for repubs be rightards? Or republitards?

John

"Besides that, the facts are that Republicans, whatever their faults, are orders less corrupt, venal and acquisitive as their Democrat counterparts."

Tadowe:

One question:

What the fuck are you ON?

It's inherent in evertything that you and those who think like you advovate, Jackass.

I wish more on your side would at least be honest about what they believe.

Do any of you realize that the divisiveness of political parties and skin color are exactly what ALL elected officials of all political persuasions want? It keeps the masses distracted from the bigger picture. That would be that we are all getting screwed by both parties.

oorah, mtw --

who cares?

I guess Bush dragged Osama to that video taping that showed on our TV screens the Friday night before the election too?

One more thought. It amazes me that there are so many people out there that think that they are always right, and that their way of thinking is the only way of thinking. Talk about being narrow minded assholes . . .

JD

#46 | Posted by rhadts1 at 2009-08-20 08:24 PM |

You don't need to keep posting your email.

Goatie:

I was just wondering how he did it - did they milk him for venom?

YAWN!

When are you libtard shits going to start leading instead of complaining about Bush. Your DearOne's numbers are tanking fast, and, like usual, you bring up Bush.

You campaigned off hatred for Bush and won. It's time to lead now and get off campaign mode.

Hey but when you realize Lord Zero is just that...ZERO, what else can you place HOPE in but campaign tactics.

LOSERS!

Danni,

You want examples?

I can (and have) cited countless.

For fuck sake, you claim to be a lesbian but you can't seem to get your mouth off the genetalia of ANY Dem politico.

Go ahead and flag this post. Please.

I am willing to bet you've actually applied your limitied knowledge of geometry and actually attempted to determine the circumference of Barney Frank's scrotum.

Hell, if I am going to get a dump...

PS - Was I seeking 'agreement' with this post, Tad?

What are you my mom? I post it because some people like to have intelligent conversations outside of all of this insolent name calling . . . simpleton

I was just wondering how he did it - did they milk him for venom?

LOL Maybe so!

PS - Was I seeking 'agreement' with this post, Tad?

#53 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-08-20 08:28 PM | Reply | Flag: Butt kisser

LOL

If the Democrats have any guts at all they will call a special prosecutor and investigate this to the hilt.

#16 | Posted by rcade at 2009-08-20 07:04 PM

They don't and they won't.

"Democrats" and "Guts" should never be used in the same sentence.

JD

What are you my mom? I post it because some people like to have intelligent conversations outside of all of this insolent name calling . . . simpleton

#54 | Posted by rhadts1

No buffoon I am not your mom. Luckily I haven't have a lifetime to be disappointed by you like she has. I think I remember you from real life. Weren't you a college prof?

"I can (and have) cited countless."

Oh, I get it, you just can't seem to think of any right now but I should still just accept that you have. Baloney. You haven't cuz you can't.

Here is the only 'fact' that Dogs will see, "From 2000-2006 the GOP had the power to truly reduce and constrain government. They didn't."

To them, this 'agreement' means that nothing done by Bush is in any way valid ... nothing, zip, zilch, nada. And, you'd agree with me, if you weren't seeking some sort of ego-building excuse(s).

Dogs don't 'agree' with you when you say, "Are the Dems worse? Yes."

However, the 'jeffj' egocentric is in-charge of your intellect, and won't allow you not to make self-serving arguments with me.

I've discussed this with you before, and you're still the same 'sensitve' pussy moderate ... who enjoys cozening the Dog's in 'agreement' for that selfsame ego.

You literally can't let go, Jeff, and that's a shame for someone of your obvious intelligence.

I won't bother you, again, Jeff, ever. Go ahead and be an agreement specialist.

I don't see anything wrong here. What's the big deal anyway.

I have never seen a bigger collection of spineless, gutless people than those that call themselves democrats. They live their lives as if every day the sky is going to fall on their collective heads.

"If the Democrats have any guts at all they will call a special prosecutor and investigate this to the hilt."

they're afraid if they investigate Bush then when the REthugs get in power they will investigate a Democratic President....but wait....we already know they will.....$70,0000,000 spent investigating Clinton.....so, no that's not it. I think I agree with Jerry's evaluation of them.

Oh never mind you are an electrical engineer.

I think this would fall under the category of "and?" I am pretty sure everyone already assumed this.

"#64 | Posted by rhadts1 at 2009-08-20 08:34 PM

Hey, hula boy, why don't you shut the fuck up if you can't think of anything intelligent to say?

"They live their lives as if every day the sky is going to fall on their collective heads."

Yep.

I have never seen a bigger collection of spineless, gutless people than those that call themselves democrats. They live their lives as if every day the sky is going to fall on their collective heads.

#64 | Posted by rhadts1 at 2009-08-20 08:34 PM |

The "mighty" Johnny D. speaks.

Fucking Douchebag.

Hey, hula boy, why don't you shut the fuck up if you can't think of anything intelligent to say?

#68 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-08-20 08:36 PM |

The irony of being a liberal is that once you begin to make a good living, you become conservative. Case in point. Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton and that fugly wife of his bad mouthed the rich for eight years. Now Bill Clinton is one of the richest men in New York State. And trust me, Bill is doing all he can to shelter it from taxes. So you little liberral children get your degree and make money so you can become conservatives. John from Brokencountry.com

Complete BS John

Liberals are more educated than Cons.

Lol A sense of humor. I like that. No, my mom passed away in 1998. She worked two jobs to put me through college. I went to Cal-Poly Pomona, and graduated cum laude with a major in electrical engineering and a minor in English lit. I am employed by one of the biggest employers in the world, General Electric. JD

The weak are smarter than the strong because the strong become complacent. As power changes hands, so does intelligence in the opposite direction.

I am employed by one of the biggest employers in the world, General Electric

Yet I find time to hang out here.

JD.

"Bill is doing all he can to shelter it from taxes."

And you think that makes him a conservative?!?

You're joking, right?

#53 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-08-20 08:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

I liked how you singled out Danni, dipshit. I guess bashing her in order to polish Tad's balls works for you. Pathetic.

"I have never seen a bigger collection of spineless, gutless people than those that call themselves democrats. They live their lives as if every day the sky is going to fall on their collective heads."

Funny considering that "FEAR" is the number one Republican political weapon. Fear of terrorists, fear of health care reform, fear, fear, fear.

Without fear their base would stop and realize that it is they who destroyed the economy, sent their jobs over seas and enriched themselves in the process. Keep the little people frightened enough and they don't even ask about those other things. They just want some big government to keep the safe.

Tad,

The GOP had a tremendous opportunity and they literally screwed the pooch.

You tell me, Mister Jeffersonian liberal, how did the Bush/GOP majority dial back the power of the state?

How did they do it?

What did they pass?

What did they do?

You wanna argue that the DNC is WORSE in this regard? Go ahead. I will be more than happy to pile on.

However, don't sit there and pretend that the GOP was anything other than the limited-government advocates that they were voted in as.

Jesus Christ, sometimes I think you are contentious for the sole purpose of being combatative.

"I am employed by one of the biggest employers in the world, General Electric."

Something you would have found much more enjoyable and profitable had you worked for them before Republican Jack Welch got hold of the company and put it on its present path.

My dad got out while the going was good, I'm happy to say. The next year's retirees were a great deal less happy.

Danni pretends that what she advocates is Utopia.

Danni pretends the DNC is filled with morally-superior individuals.

She was an easy target.

Lol A sense of humor. I like that. No, my mom passed away in 1998. She worked two jobs to put me through college. I went to Cal-Poly Pomona, and graduated cum laude with a major in electrical engineering and a minor in English lit. I am employed by one of the biggest employers in the world, General Electric. JD

#74 | Posted by rhadts1 at 2009-08-20 08:39 PM |

Yo, in between being a fluffer in porn that you spineless libs no doubt "pleasure" youselves to , she did janitorial work at the local knights of columbus .

And this would be pathetic if true. But again--it would be great to have some proof of this (the terror alert 'manipulation') besides the guy who claimed to resign to be with his family.

But Obama and the Dems are no better.

It's all fear mongering that we have to spend a trillion dollars for HC to save money and our economy.

Cap and trade is based on a lie.

Cash for clunkers is a scam.

Stimulus bill was a scam.

And all the Obama comments that we have to do it now or it will be worse--are all lies and praying on people and their fears.

Is that an excuse? Absolutely not.

Both parties do this nonsense.

And then comes a guy--name him (or her) who wants to peddle a book and puts in the most crazy things to peddle said book.

Hey Muffy! There's a pre season college softball game on CDTV!

Lol A sense of humor. I like that. No, my mom passed away in 1998. She worked two jobs to put me through college. I went to Cal-Poly Pomona, and graduated cum laude with a major in electrical engineering and a minor in English lit. I am employed by one of the biggest employers in the world, General Electric. JD

#74 | Posted by rhadts1

I already know you work at GE and I believe you were an adjunct prof in the English dept at Mt. SJC. We have an extensive vetting process at the retort. Everything you have ever done will be scrutinized. Any mistakes you have ever made will be brought to light.

"Funny considering that..."

What's so funny about that? You know that the two are not mutually exclusive. Different brands of fear and all.

I really have no doubts this is true. I would not put it past a man who stole an election before becoming President would manipulate national security to keep it.

Reel cast.

#80 | Posted by JeffJ

That is the one of the worse things Bush did while POTUS.

He pretended to be a conservative and the Repubs forgot how to lead when they were the majority.

The spending was collosal, the Rx drug plan, then that damn TARP bullshit.

Absolutely terrible. They really need to prosecute Bush. This shit is awful.

Too funny.

Murph's answer to Tom Ridge scaring Americans to help Bush win an election?

"But Obama and the Dems are no better."

Deflection, thy name is Murphy.

"It's all fear mongering that we have to spend a trillion dollars for HC to save money and our economy.

Cap and trade is based on a lie.

Cash for clunkers is a scam.

Stimulus bill was a scam."

Let's see here, you supported Bush all the way, supported his unnecessary invasion of Iraq, his handling of the economy, etc., etc.

Hate to tell you but your ability to evaluate or determine truth is sort of nonexistent.
I laugh when I read the posts, like yours, criticizing the Obama administration after watching y'all be so wrong about everything for eight long years. Were I in the shoes of the righties, I'd be very quiet. I'd learn to listen.

She was an easy target.

#82 | Posted by JeffJ

Says it all. Keep groveling to Tadowe. It's funny to watch him slap you down everytime you do.

Bush raised terror alert to win re-elction?

Most of us stated this years ago. Most here are not shocked.

What I find shocking are the few republicans who actually had the courage to post on this thread, decided to play the "hey dems do it too" game.

I beg to differ and find it repulsive that ANYONE would excuse away this obvious abuse of power by preying on the concern and fears of the citizens of this country.

Inexcusable!!!!

I would not put it past a man who stole an election before becoming Presiden

The supreme court ruled on Florida's election laws. An example of a stolen election was the 1960 one and what happened in Chicago. Big difference.

Jeffj reveals himself as a leftist stooge, "The GOP had a tremendous opportunity and they literally screwed the pooch."

Here's one of the puling yellow dog democrats, now.

The verminous louse goes on, "You tell me, Mister Jeffersonian liberal, how did the Bush/GOP majority dial back the power of the state?"

See? They demand answers and spin the subject onto being the 'messenger.' Typical tactic of the perenially sophomoric pack of curs and bitches.

Always the rhetorical face saving 'question,' "How did they do it? What did they pass? What did they do?"

You really are this stupidly egocentric. I'm sorry I wasn't wrong. I suggest you not reply to me, again.

You, along with the Dogs, are out of your league.

"Danni pretends that what she advocates is Utopia."

No I certainly do not, but I am smart enough to know that if our health care system is now costing 16% of GDP and growing that we have to do something very different to turn that around. The Republicans seem to have this completely idiotic notion that doing nothing or next to nothing is a realistic idea. Just how bad off economically do you want the country to be before you realize that major corporations, health insurance companies in this case, are destroying our nation's economy simply because they can. Where will you draw the line???

"The supreme court ruled on Florida's election laws."

They ruled on who they wanted to be president. They chose the president.

#95 | Posted by goatman at 2009-08-20 08:51 PM

Goat,
You were the last one I expected to catch with that troll. Especially when I closed the post with "reel cast."

#98 | Posted by danni

FF

Bush V Gore and Gore V Harris are cases that will baffle legal experts for years to come, so we have no chance of understanding and/or explaining it here.

it amazes me that this is even debatable.

I pointed out regularly and often the number of alerts in the 12 months prior to the election compared to the 12 months after the election, it was like 100 to 5 or something.

It was clear manipulation of the public.

and the intentional infliction of fear on a popluation for political purposes is called ummmmmmmmmm TERRORISM.

This was an act of treason

#89

Did I read that right? Murphy criticizing her own???

I am proud of you, girl!!! I see an unparisan future for you yet!!!!!!!!

I hate to ask it, but what is the next step if this is true? I doubt there is a precedent to follow.

I don't see anything wrong here. What's the big deal anyway.

#63 | Posted by mysterytoy

because it is terrorism.

#102

Couldn't agree with you more, Truth.

It wouldn't suprise me to hear much more about the treasonist abuses of power from that administration.

It was also an extremely close election with terrorism rating among the chief concerns of the voters. If this is true, it is huge.

#63

Truthfully??? You do not see anything wrong with what Bush did????

"because it is terrorism."

Yes it is. Do the Dems have the balls to start hearings?

This is not enough to start hearings I don't think, but should be plenty to get a Special Prosecutor looking into it more.

"The supreme court ruled on Florida's election laws."

They ruled on who they wanted to be president. They chose the president.

#98 | Posted by danni

what was the language in the decision? This decision is not to be used as precedent?

laughable in its blatant corruption.

"laughable in its blatant corruption."

I'm not laughing though. The effects of that moron's presidency will be felt for generations.

#110

I agree Kan. And I hope they do look into this!

"The supreme court ruled on Florida's election laws."

I keep telling people that. Now, how that law came to be (K. Harris had a role in it as FL Legislator before Jeb named her SecState) is another story as well as all the other things in play which caused the vote to be so close to begin with.

One of the liars says, "The weak are smarter than the strong because the strong become complacent. As power changes hands, so does intelligence in the opposite direction."

Of course, besides being a lie, it is pseudo-intellectual cow manure; not even some good BS!

The strong, the aristocracy, bureaucracy and middle-class of France were the educated and the intelligensia, while the 'weak' were the hoi polloi and proletariat who were ignorant and lacked even common sense as a mob. Lies like the above issue like diarrhea from the left's collective anal passage. To bad so many moderates agree with them.

You'd think that 'Intelligence' should decide for nation, over party. However, Dogs decide for party over nation.

The socialist ilk in here speak for party, and then for their selfish persons, however collectivated ... not the ultimate good of the nation. They are 'party fascists' and that can be seen as obvious on this blog, daily.

Awe,
Tad doesn't say my name anymore. LOL! I feel like G-d.

The United States has defined terrorism under the Federal criminal code. 18 U.S.C. 2331[25] defines terrorism as:

activities that involve violent or life-threatening acts that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State and appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping."

Hearings AND a Special Prosecutor. FTFY, Kanrei. Hearings are public.

FTFY?

"laughable in its blatant corruption."

I'm not laughing though. The effects of that moron's presidency will be felt for generations.

#112 | Posted by danni

too true, laughable in that the SCOTUS could issue such a ruling, boggles the mind really.

the case should have been sent back to the state, they had no jurisdiction IIRC.

Actually, I am on vacation. But thanks nonetheless.

Carter's effort to invade Iran was an election ploy - endangering our military heros to gain at the ballot box ... while investigating Bush, Lisa, call for them to open a case against Carter ...

... let's hear you call for one of Clinton and his effort to 'win' at the ballot box with his wars ...

... no? You can only 'agree' with leftist liars misdirecting that Obama is outing himself as a socialist takeover artist ...?

Did I read that right? Murphy criticizing her own???
I am proud of you, girl!!! I see an unparisan future for you yet!!!!!!!!
#103 | Posted by Lisa

You miss the subtlety of her criticism if you believe she believes she is criticizing one of her own.

She essentially said that Bush and the greater GOP were democrats in disguise.

FTFY=Fixed that for you

They ruled on who they wanted to be president. They chose the president.

You would've embraced the decision if they allowed Gore to cherry pick the counties he wanted recounted, danni. Don't be so damn disingenuous

Ah. I would support, no DEMAND public hearings after a SP does some work, but we are dealing with how the CIA and the WHite House work, and most of that is stuff we don't really NEED to know.

"The supreme court ruled on Florida's election laws."

They ruled on who they wanted to be president. They chose the president.

#98 | Posted by danni at 2009-08-20 08:55 PM

Fuck Danni, how many damm times does this have o be thrown back in your face?

The Supreme Court did NOT select the President. They made the state of Florida follow their own laws. You dont like the outcome but I guarantee that you would not be saying this bullshit if Gore won.

You are nothing but a political hack.

#123

Yep! I missed it then!!

Thanks HC!

And here I was so excited...geesh!

Osama and his phucking face were on video threatenting us as a nation the Friday before the election.

THAT was a bigger impact that was likely the biggest factor in pushing the security level.

And nothing against Tommy here--but he wasn't in the NSC meetings--he felt blindsided at those meetings.

He is putting his opinion out there for the book. Fine--but opinion doesn't make for much--like buttholes..

Carter's effort to invade Iran was an election ploy - endangering our military heros to gain at the ballot box ... while investigating Bush, Lisa, call for them to open a case against Carter ...

... let's hear you call for one of Clinton and his effort to 'win' at the ballot box with his wars ...

... no? You can only 'agree' with leftist liars misdirecting that Obama is outing himself as a socialist takeover artist ...?

#122 | Posted by tadowe

You mean Carter's action in April 7 MONTHS prior to the election? His efforts to free US citizens being held hostage? You mean that act?

Be serious.

come up with a real precedent to a president intentionally manipulating the population through fear.

Bush manipulated terror alerts? As far as I can see, absolutely consistent with his flawed personality as we came to know it. What a leader, what a man. The sooner he's as forgtten by Amercian history as Chester Allen Arthur, the better.

The Supreme Court accomplished on thing in deciding Bush v Gore. They seriously diminished the belief that our court system is above politics for millions of Americans. It isn't. They proved it.
Later, the administration they appointed used the Justice system for political purposes, not surprising when you consider how they got into power in the first place.

They made the state of Florida follow their own laws.

No, they did the opposite. Florida law required another recount. The difference was within the margin of error.

She essentially said that Bush and the greater GOP were democrats in disguise.

#123 | Posted by Hagbard_

I am criticizing repubs--yes--and they were acting like dems.

They were not acting or following conservative principles.

The sooner he's as forgtten by Amercian history as Chester Allen Arthur, the better.

Not at all. Build a statue to the man. Put him on currency. Add him to Mount Rushmore. If he is ever forgotten, then what he did can be repeated.

"Carter's effort to invade Iran was an election ploy - endangering our military heros to gain at the ballot box ... while investigating Bush, Lisa, call for them to open a case against Carter ..."

Considering the deal made by the REagan people for Iran to continue holding the hostages until after the election to insure a REagan victory...that accusation against Carter is just plain laughable.

One would wonder if the SC were actually sincere in their review of the case why they wouldnt allow it to be a precedent

#127

LMBO

Ummm....hate to point this out but your handle doesn't quite represent that you are unbiased here.

Sorry...just found that funny!

"I would support, no DEMAND public hearings after a SP does some work, but we are dealing with how the CIA and the WHite House work, and most of that is stuff we don't really NEED to know."

No, actually, we DO need to know if we want to claim that this country is governed by the people. Let the sunshine in and let the chips fall where they may for both parties.

Hag and Murph,

The "Neocon" was basically what happens when you combine a pure Democrat with a pure Republican, then filter out anything human.

#127

LMBO

Ummm....hate to point this out but your handle doesn't quite represent that you are unbiased here.

Sorry...just found that funny!

I am criticizing repubs--yes--and they were acting like dems.

They were not acting or following conservative principles.

#134 | Posted by MURPHY

actually they were acting like fascists, marrying the corporate and the government.

Privitizing a war, NICE.

"He is putting his opinion out there for the book. Fine--but opinion doesn't make for much--like buttholes.."

After the recently publicized memos, etc. which prove that the Bush administration lied us into the war, knowingly lied us into war....it is preposterous now to pretend their credibility is more believable than is Ridge's.

we DO need to know if we want to claim that this country is governed by the people.

But we are not governed by the people and never have been. We are a Republic, not a Democracy. We elect people to govern for us.

How'd that happen??

Sorry for the double post.

"Put him (Bush) on currency...."

Interesting idea. Two dollar bill?

"One would wonder if the SC were actually sincere in their review of the case why they wouldnt allow it to be a precedent"

Cuz next time it might be a reverse and they would have to appoint a Democrat president.

"Interesting idea. Two dollar bill?"

Romor has it that he belongs on the three.

No, they did the opposite. Florida law required another recount. The difference was within the margin of error.

#133 | Posted by kanrei

They already counted the votes 3 times!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How many friggin times do you recount??

And the whole nonsense about chads and counting only this county and not that one--it was all bs.

And don't count these votes from the military and let's guess the intent of the voter with a dimple chad.

The FL courts were making up rules as they went along and corrupting the voting process along the way.

#148
Danni beat me to it =(

The FL courts were making up rules as they went along and corrupting the voting process along the way.

Once Kathrine "Hide Votes in Office Drawers" Harris got involved.

Lisa,

I created the name when I started reading this site. At least at that time there were so many more Liberals here than Republicans. And with Bush as the President, all I saw was the type of crap that Danni posts.

I dont claim either side, they are all a bunch of damm crooks. The Democrats dont care about us any more or less than the republicans do. We need to get them all out of office.

August 1, 2004 they raised the terror level.

He later publicly acknowledged that much of the information underpinning the new alert was three years old, stoking Bush critics' charges of political manipulation.

After the recently publicized memos, etc. which prove that the Bush administration lied us into the war, knowingly lied us into war....it is preposterous now to pretend their credibility is more believable than is Ridge's.

#143 | Posted by danni

What are you talking about? Gotta' link?

"But we are not governed by the people and never have been. We are a Republic, not a Democracy. We elect people to govern for us."

That's just hairsplitting. It's supposed to be government of the people by the people, etc. The fact that it's more like government by the corporations, for the corporations...doesn't change the fact.

#151 | Posted by kanrei

Kan--the FL election was a debacle and a fiasco.

It was right out of some comic book.

And I voted for Gore!

When Gore filed to keep out the military ballots--he lost my vote at that point.

They already counted the votes 3 times!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How many friggin times do you recount??

Actually Murph, the court ruled the recount process invalded.

The recount mechanisms implemented in response to the decisions of the Florida Supreme Court do not satisfy the minimum requirement for non-arbitrary treatment of voters necessary to secure the fundamental right.

After the recently publicized memos, etc. which prove that the Bush administration lied us into the war, knowingly lied us into war....it is preposterous now to pretend their credibility is more believable than is Ridge's.

#143 | Posted by danni

Danni you really need to stop taking the meds. Yet once again you are going to be called on your lies and cant back them up. HACK

Interesting idea. Two dollar bill?

The greatest American who ever lived, Thomas Jefferson, is already on the two dollar bill

I'll say it again, Florida law said that their Secretary of State gets to decide when to end the recount and she did. Doesn't anyone find it interesting that the person who helped draft the law directing this was later the person to wield that power in possibly the most important election in our history?

Its so much easier to say the SCOTUS stole the election than to address all the things that were really going on, the perfect storm that made Bush the president.

"The FL courts were making up rules as they went along and corrupting the voting process along the way."

Yeah they had some odd notion that all the votes should be counted. Ahhhh the memories....Dade County Supervisor or Elections office and REpublicans from out of state kicking the doors and basicly rioting outside chanting "stop the count", when Jews in Palm BEach Co. went heavily for Buchanan, when computer voting machines could be proven hackable and counts exceeded the number of voters...ah yes....those were the days.
But hey, the REpublicans got their wish, the SC appointed Bush, he was inaugurated and now look around at the country, what a great job he did.....destroyed economy, huge debt, two wars.....who could ask for anything more???

#143

I have to say this Danni....

Why did it take so long for Ridge to bring this to light?

If he were truly a man with impecciable credibility, he would have thought more of his country than of his party, he would have spoke up sooner.

I'm not willing to let Ridge off the hook.

However, I do hope they start investugating into this.

One of the Liars says, "You mean Carter's action in April 7 MONTHS prior to the election?"

See? "7 MONTHS" is something to sneer at by Dogs, while intelligence understands that Carter waited 8 months before acting, and then as his VOTES were going down for the upcoming election.

Lisa can't see that, though, and since she is only interested in recognizing hearsay about an ex-president, and so avoids the facts about the same actions by Carter and Clinton, too. She'll let others attack and defame the messenger(s).

The lying sacks of odiferous offal literally cannot see any of the established facts about their party's misuse of the presidency; from blowjobing sexual harassment (however voluntary) to causing the death of the military heros they tried to save their elections by causing ...

The scum have no shame, whatsoever.

That's just hairsplitting.

Far from it. Democracy existed when the founders made this a Republic. They understood nothing gets done in a Democracy that is too large.

August 1, 2004 they raised the terror level.

He later publicly acknowledged that much of the information underpinning the new alert was three years old, stoking Bush critics' charges of political manipulation.

#153 | Posted by truthhurts

That was the date of the terror level BEFORE the election??

2 MONTHS BEFORE the election??

Does no one remember OSAMA and his video on the Friday night before the election--you know FOUR DAYS BEFORE the election???

#152

Fair enough!

Thanks for the explanation, Sickoflibs.

Wasn't that Osama's "please vote for Kerry because he is weak and we can destroy America if you do" tape?

Now Murphy, you know damm well that doesnt count. It just doesnt fit into the Liberal whining.

"Far from it. Democracy existed when the founders made this a Republic. They understood nothing gets done in a Democracy that is too large."

Thanks, Kanrei, but I've already taken Poli Sci 101.

The greatest American who ever lived, Thomas Jefferson, is already on the two dollar bill

#159 | Posted by goatman

Complete BS. That honor would go to Bill Clinton.

Thanks, Kanrei, but I've already taken Poli Sci 101.

#169 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-08-20 09:40 PM |

Thought we were just having a friendly discussion. No need to get all snippy.

Clinton was the greatest American ever. Rush Limbaugh is probably the worst.

Complete BS. That honor would go to Bill Clinton.

#170 | Posted by jackass

barf!

pass the pepto

And Lisa, I generally do consider you as more fair minded than most.

See? "7 MONTHS" is something to sneer at by Dogs, while intelligence understands that Carter waited 8 months before acting, and then as his VOTES were going down for the upcoming election.

Hostages taken on November 4,

Operation Eagle Claw April 24

6 months later not 8

Facts and rtards.

LOL

I have a very hard time believing Murphy voted for Gore.

Wasn't she one of those who constantly criticized him??

I think so.

Wasn't that Osama's "please vote for Kerry because he is weak and we can destroy America if you do" tape?

#167 | Posted by kanrei

Yes--Osama is a Damn asshole--I can't stand him!

But we really don't know what was said in those tapes, we never heard the audio and don't speak whatever language that was if we did. Bush had them translated and released.

Lisa--

I didn't find the DR until about 2004--maybe 2003.

Then Rcade changed the sign in routine and all the start up dates are in 2005.

Complete BS. That honor would go to Bill Clinton.

Just so I know whether to let it all go on a side splitting roll on the floor guffaw or toned down semi-controllabe maniacal laughter, please tell me: Which Clinton are you talking about?

#174

Thank you Sickoflibs...I try to be.

But I have to be honest...I have thought Bush did this deliberately way back when.

And truly, if those who are disagreeing with what Ridge is saying, they would certainly not object an investigation into this accusation.

Do you agree?

William Jefferson Clinton. Greatest president ever.

No need to get all snippy.

#171 | Posted by kanrei

LOL. It's cool, man. Have a bowl. I know I will.

LOL. It's cool, man. Have a bowl. I know I will.

On the count of 3, together. 1, 2, 3. Coughs Ahhhhhh

"Operation Eagle Claw April 24"

And everyone knows that if you really want to sway an election you do something extremely risky seven months before the election. It's only logical.

Dogs know very well that Carter held off any attempt to rescue the hostages until just before his election. That's the fact, but not a one of the shameless Dogs will *ever* agree to that ...

... while some pussy moderate agrees that Bush should be investigated.

... you lie with these Dogs and you become scum vermin, along with them ....

I think it was David Cross who said: the same people who vote for President also vote on American Idol and they put more thought into their Idol vote.

The greatest American who ever lived, Thomas Jefferson, is already on the two dollar bill

#159 | Posted by goatman

And the only place they use them is at dog and horse racing tracks (no slot in the cash register anyplace else).

Thought you weren't a gambler,goatman,LOL

It's Ridge's word against whose?

Compare the number of alerts in the 12 months prior to the election and 12 months after the election.

As for the OBL tape, it would appear that OBL wanted Bush to win.

"William Jefferson Clinton. Greatest president ever."

Signed NAFTA. Lewinski scandal gave Bush big advantage in the 2000 election. Great president????
Can't go so far. Might have been great, yeah maybe but was great....no.

I know I will.
#184 | Posted by nullifidian

So jealous.

Clinton 1992-1996- on the path to greatness

Clinton 1997-2001- too busy getting blown in a rest stop on the path to greatness

Dogs know very well that Carter held off any attempt to rescue the hostages until just before his election. That's the fact, but not a one of the shameless Dogs will *ever* agree to that ...

... while some pussy moderate agrees that Bush should be investigated.

... you lie with these Dogs and you become scum vermin, along with them ....

#187 | Posted by tadowe

you are an ignoramus.

right before the election?

November 4, 1979 hostages taken
April 21, 1980, Operation Eagle Claw
November 1980 election

yep right before the election.

dumbass

If an investigation is warrented, I am all for it. If Bush did the crime he should do the time. However, he has been accused of so much crap without a shred of evidence that I dont really buy into it at all.

No different that it was with Clinton. I personally believe that they (both Clintons) were guilty of the White Water fiasco but there was not enough proof to prosicute. Next thing you know, the Republicans went on a witch hunt until they finally caught him lying under oath. How much money was spent to impeach. All it did was embarass him.

These idiots are supposed to be doing whats best for the country and all they want to do is play politics with each other.

Hmmmm....I could have sworn you were here.

If not, I apologize.

I must be thinking of someone else then.

But really Murph...after all your posts that do nothing but defend Rebulicans and rip on Democrats, I still have to doubt you would ever vote for Gore....especially after witnessing your staunch support of Bush.

"So jealous."

Drug tests keep you from medicating?

#195 | Posted by sickoflibs at 2009-08-20 09:54 PM | Reply | Flag: NEWS WORTHY

And the only place they use them is at dog and horse racing tracks (no slot in the cash register anyplace else).

Thought you weren't a gambler,goatman,LOL

I'm not. That doesn't mean that I don't know who's on that bill.

Since Thomas Jefferson is one of my most admired and respected historical figures, I bought an uncut sheet of them (4 bills x 8 bills) at the Bureau of Engraving in DC many years ago and had it matted and framed. I have it hanging on a wall in my house. Looks pretty cool.

BTW, every once in a while, I'll get one for change. I put it back into circulation as soon as I can so as to try to encourage its use.

Clinton is a hero to the leftist liars, after all he massacred 72 people and burned 23 children alive to fight Christian fundamentalism.

Scum vermin, then, scum vermin, now ...

Scratch that question, HC.

No.

I'm so conservative looking that nobody will deal with me except the most overpriced sketchers. everybody thinks I'm a cop.

Clinton is a hero to the leftist liars, after all he massacred 72 people and burned 23 children alive to fight Christian fundamentalism

Too bad he will never catch Bush's numbers huh? Now he will never earn your respect.

off by how many magnitudes of 10 on those body counts

Ok but Sickof, reread your post.

You state you don't buy into the crap said about Bush believing he is INNOCENT because of the lack of evidence...then go on to say you believe the Clintons were GUILTY but there was lack of evidence.

Sweetie? Don't you see the hypocrocy? And wouldn't that make you no better than what you accuse Danni of?

I'm not trying to be mean but do you see what I'm saying?

"everybody thinks I'm a cop."

Well anytime you're in California I'll get you stoned, copper.

"Clinton is a hero to the leftist liars, after all he massacred 72 people and burned 23 children alive to fight Christian fundamentalism."

Why do I have this picture of a guy buying bags and bags of fertilizer whenever I think of Tadowe????

Although I do agree completely with the latter part of your post Sickof!

nobody will deal with me except the most overpriced sketchers. everybody thinks I'm a cop.

Yeah, the whole "kids will have access if you legalize" crowd don't seem to understand that kids are the only ones WITH access right now.

But really Murph...after all your posts that do nothing but defend Rebulicans and rip on Democrats, I still have to doubt you would ever vote for Gore....especially after witnessing your staunch support of Bush.

#196 | Posted by Lisa

You were INWI back then..lol

I went through Believer's Baptism January 2001 and many things changed for me after that and the way I was looking at everything.

I would vote for repubs and dems--but a registered dem back then. Was a registered dem until last year.

I vote mainly repub now--but if a dem were in my area and I thought they were a good egg--I would vote for them. I hold conservatism much higher--way higher than the repub party.

#202

Lol

And to look at BL2 one would think he was a liberal.

Go figure!!

Lisa the 'moderate' Dog says, "...then go on to say you believe the Clintons were GUILTY but there was lack of evidence."

See? Even those who pretend to being 'reasonable' Democrats can't help but pretend there is *nothing* to the accusations about *THEIR* president ... just repulithugs ...

... no shame at all ...

"Well anytime you're in California I'll get you stoned, copper."

Thanks. That's a big state. A buddy is a grower in Tahoe. I'll be there next april for some spring skiing.

#211

Fair enough, Murph!

No matter which way you vote, I love ya anyway.

Although.....you COULD try and be a little more open minded about the fact that it IS possible for a republican not to walk their Christian talk and make intentional bad decissions, such as the one this thread is about! : )

Why do I have this picture of a guy buying bags and bags of fertilizer whenever I think of Tadowe????
#208 | Posted by danni

*nods sadly in agreement.

Tad???

I have never pretended to belong to any party. I have always said that I don't belong to either of them, having voted for candidates of both parties in the past and will continue to do so in the future.

I have disliked Bush since the middle of his first term and have been vocal about it. That may be the reason you believe I am a Democrat.

I do not believe Clinton is an angel. I think he did some things right....some wrong.

"... no shame at all ...

Because after $70 mil was spent by Ken Starr on Whitewater, there turned out to be no evidence at all.

And Tad....I was pointing out the double standard in someone elses post...not denying Clinton didn't do anything wrong.

However, in the case the other poster was talking about, I believe the results of that investigation.

Lisa, give it up.

He's just not that into you.

Just asking has anybody seen any of this story on FOX NEWS??????? HAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAAHHHAAA
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AHAHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHHHHAAHAAHAA
HAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHHAHAAHAAHAAHHAHAHAAHA!!
!!!

Get grip, celery. Check that little plastic container and see if the pocket labeled Thur 10:00 PM still has something in it.

#220

Who isn't? And why would I want him to be????

Lol

Why do I feel like I'm having a blonde moment?

#223

First letter T, last letter E and rhymes with Maddow.

Goatman-
Has FoxNews covered the story on air? (I don't really know)

You state you don't buy into the crap said about Bush believing he is INNOCENT because of the lack of evidence...then go on to say you believe the Clintons were GUILTY but there was lack of evidence.

Sweetie? Don't you see the hypocrocy? And wouldn't that make you no better than what you accuse Danni of?

I'm not trying to be mean but do you see what I'm saying?

#205 | Posted by Lisa at 2009-08-20 10:02 PM

Lisa,

I can say that I was privelaged to other information that was not released to the public. I was stationed at Andrews AFB at the time and know where the planes were going and for how long. Without going into detail please believe me that I have reason for believing that. And yes I do see where you are coming from.

#226

I believe you Sickof!!

Has FoxNews covered the story on air? (I don't really know)

Nor I. I rarely watch TV

Can anyone answer boyd's question?

Lisa--

I didn't find the DR until about 2004--maybe 2003.

Then Rcade changed the sign in routine and all the start up dates are in 2005.

#179 | Posted by MURPHY

First day I was on the Retort was July 4th, 2003...

And I created the sign in, now where is my pocket watch, Rogers?

#224

OMGosh....LOL....stop it!!

It was easy in those days to mock the leftists by signing in as 'one of them' and going to town on yourself.

All the bobble-toy Democrat sycophants would be nodding in agreement!

Rogers caught on after a week or two, and the sign in became mandatory. Of course, he has exempted some chosen to be their own sock-puppets, and to this day ...

I expect hysteria over the Zeitzmeister was a major factor, too ...

No mention of "Enemies Lists" developed from ratfinking on emails forwarded to the Whitehouse?

#11 | POSTED BY TADOWE AT 2009-08-20 06:53 PM

When you wish to leave a comment at the website of Senator John Cornyn (R-TX), the most outspoken critic of the White House collecting email addresses, you are required to not only leave your email address, but also your postal address and phone number as well. Now exactly what is the good Senator going to do with that information?

OCU

I highly doubt the dems will do anything about this (they should). Why? They're politicians and they see it worked so they'll probably keep this little gem in their pocket just in case they need to use it.

It's the same reason Obama hasn't reversed a lot of Bush's most egregious actions.

Politicians rarely relinquish power once it's been given to them.

What did Kinky say about politics? "Poly" meaning more than one, and "Tics" meaning Blood Sucking Parasites."

Kinky F for president!

I bought the second season SNL DVD box set. That was 1975- '76 season. I had forgotten that Kinky Friedman was one of the singers that year. He look so young and funny.

Tad, Nicey has to get some credit for the sign-in too....

It was after I posted as Cindy Sheefilth in every thread, for the 3 straight day, thanking the Drudge Report for supporting my (her) cause, and my (her) son for dying to buy (my) her 15 minutes of fame.....

Then Nicey follwed me in every thread with a big Retort welcome..

That was hiliarious.

Old Caduser-
The Right-wing seems suddenly interested in (non-existent) illegal surveillance. Wish they had been as interested when it was actually happening in the Bush admin., and when they were arguing that it was OK because it "kept us safe", and when they were arguing that we didn't really need to look into all that because it would be a partisan witch-hunt, and they were just "keeping us safe", etc., etc., ad nauseam...

Goatman-
Watch this one, if you can. You might find it edifying.

You folks have a good night.

Watch this one, if you can.

Watch 'this one' what?

(Goatman- Watch how FoxNews covers or doesn't cover this on-air.)

Gotta go.

(Goatman- Watch how FoxNews covers or doesn't cover this on-air.)

???

I don't care. If you want to know, you watch it. Don't ask someone who doesn't like to watch TV to watch it and report back to you.

You are a very strange person, boyd.

I'm sorry, Goatman, I guess I really should answer that. If you are going to attempt to ridicule Celisary for making a joke about FoxNews coverage, maybe you should know what the fuck you are talking about.

I'm sorry, Goatman, I guess I really should answer that. If you are going to attempt to ridicule Celisary for making a joke about FoxNews coverage, maybe you should know what the fuck you are talking about.

I guess if you are going to admonish me for ridiculing celery, you should know what you are talking about, too, DYK? You admitted you didn't know if the story was shown or not either.

BTW, I was ridiculing celery for the string of HAHAHAs, not her opinion of Fox news. I'm surprised you couldn't discern that from my hint that she take her meds.

Oh, well. I'm not surprised

Crocodile Tears!!!

So obviously Tom Ridge is suddenly afraid of his "mortality" and is trying to "make peace" with God,before his assured demise,by offering up this half-hearted "Confession" - but its way too many years after Bush & Cheney did all their evil,murderous deeds!!! What were you thinking Tom..."sure let the Bush Nazis keep murdering millions of people in Iraq and Afghanistan...jus as long..as I still keep receiving those Big Govt Checks"??? Too bad your trite contrition is in vain Tom because you like Bush & Cheney and every member of the Bush Regime are going directly (and for Eternity) to HELL....pssst...don't forget your Ray Bans you sleazy-slimy,murdering bastard!!!

Goatman-
I should have known that your comment was not substantive, but was rather a personal juvenile shot at another poster. My bad. I now see that your post clearly did not address Celisary's point.

Since you are not at all familiar with the political coverage on FoxNews, I'll just assume you don't know what you are talking about when you speak of it next time, and I'll look for the more petty personal motivation for your posts.

Thanks for cluing me in.

Thanks for cluing me in.

Fuck, you're kind of slow if you haven't figured out that's how I always treat celery's posts.

Since you are not at all familiar with the political coverage on FoxNews, I'll just assume you don't know what you are talking about when you speak of it next time, and I'll look for the more petty personal motivation for your posts.

Good call. You're catching on slowly but surely, boyd.

Kinky F for president!
#234 | Posted by goatman

I get this sneaking suspicion you're not joking.

I actually thought about voting for Kinky for governor He had the most honest campaign slogan "Kinky for governor why the hell not?" He was certainly more entertaining than Gov. "Good Hair" and "One Tough Grandma". Although after watching him in the debates that's about all I could say for him he's entertaining.

Although after watching him in the debates that's about all I could say for him he's entertaining.

He's just a different type of clown than the ones we've been electing

PS: I worked for "one tough grandma's" grandson for a while a couple of years ago. What a prick

Does no one remember OSAMA and his video on the Friday night before the election--you know FOUR DAYS BEFORE the election???

#165 | POSTED BY MURPHY AT 2009-08-20 09:37 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

You're going to be very disappointed with the rest of Ridge's comments - particularly the ones on who raised the terror alerts when the DHS was asking "WTF for?"

That's the whole point of this thread, fergoodnesssakes.

This is a trip back in time - to the conflicting statements issued by DHS, Ridge, Ashcroft and the Bush Admin. Now it all makes sense. Not the manipulating through fear, terrorizing American citizens with the threat of another terrorist attack - that was transparent to anyone with a brain that wasn't pissing their pants. No, the conflicts in the statements of the individuals at that time indicated extreme misgivings and different limits to the absolutely unethical, even criminal Bush actions.

different moral limits

YYYYYYYYAAAAAAWWWWWWNNNN!

Now Obama lending 10 billion to Brazil while George Soros invests 800 billion just before it happened that is a conspiracy and a crime.

How about it demtards lets hear what you have to say on this one.

Obama gets a pass cos we hate George Bush. Soros gets a pass cos he finances our bullshit campaigns.

Signed, The Left

#253 | Posted by buzkiller

YAAAAWWWWWWWWWNNNNN I don't have the sack to call out my own party for pulling a bullshit move...so I'll just make a lame deflection about Obama.

I only got through about the first fifty posts or so and was so disgusted that the Repub responses were either "Politics as usual" or "Obama blah blah blah."

Fuck get your partisan heads out of your partisan asses.

See? They demand answers and spin the subject onto being the 'messenger.' Typical tactic of the perenially sophomoric pack of curs and bitches.

No. I watched the Bush administration, with a strong majority in both houses, grossly expand federal power and not practice an iota of sound fiscal policy. I honestly thought you were in favor of limited government, yet your take on my blasting of the Bush administration as some sort of sought-after 'agreement' with Dems is ridiculous.

The yellow-dog finally out of the closet, "I watched the Bush administration, with a strong majority in both houses, grossly expand federal power and not practice an iota of sound fiscal policy."

See? The yellow-dog can't stop bashing a Republican president and any Republican 'it' can while pretending to be 'against' the liars of the left. Anyone can see that this egocentric prick can't stop bad mouthing Republicans, and in order to distract from Obama's socialism, and save his 'internet' ego.

The neo-commie creep continues, "I honestly thought you were in favor of limited government, yet your take on my blasting of the Bush administration as some sort of sought-after 'agreement' with Dems is ridiculous."

Me, me, me, you thought me ... you sad little punk. Go fool some 'moderate' into believing you're any kind of conservative ...

I told you not to reply, but you come on back and save your ego some more ... demonstrate your newly found obsession with me, me, me ....

Fuck, Tad, you've got some real issues.

Is the above diatribe really tad or the little voice in his head?

See? The yellow-dog can't stop bashing a Republican president and any Republican 'it' can while pretending to be 'against' the liars of the left. Anyone can see that this egocentric prick can't stop bad mouthing Republicans, and in order to distract from Obama's socialism, and save his 'internet' ego.

I 'bash' Bush to distract attention away from Obama's bullshit?

Whatever.

You are free to believe what you want to believe.

I hate to break it to you, but the subject of this thread IS Bush. It is not a thread about Obama. It is a deflection to bring up Obama on this thread. If you want to bash Obama, I suggest clicking my userprofile. I created 2 threads yesterday dedicated to doing just that.

Zara says, "But I repeat myself...quelle suprise!"

What? That JeffJ agrees with you leftists that Bush won the election from raising the Threat Level a notch?

Sure, sure ... JeffJ does agree that both parties do it, but Bush specifically, since Jeff can't 'agree' that Carter had soldiers killed for his efforts to gain popularity, or that Clinton started wars for the same reasons ...

... that just isn't as pertinent to his yellow-dog agreeing ego as bashing Bush for your ilk ...

... JeffJ has no shame and is now as obsessed with me, as you display, loser ... losers in collective agreement that Bush is guilty as charged and tacitly in your effort to ignore any such effort on the part of Carter or Clinton.

You dogs go smell crotches together, or lick as leftist liars do ...

Carter had soldiers killed for his efforts to gain popularity

I think it was a good effort and if it had succeeded I wonder where we'd be now.

Tad,

In one post you falsely assigned 3 positions to me that I have never taken.

So, who is obsessed with whom?

The pissant can't stop, "In one post you falsely assigned 3 positions to me that I have never taken."

Both parties do it, JeffJ, and as you acknowledge yourself! Now, you want to make me incorrect, and for what? To regain your internet ego.

You think that by agreeing with your leftist friends, that I'm a liar, that will regain you some face? You are a bit dense.

Sound familiar?

So, JeffJ spins, "So, who is obsessed with whom?"

I don't care what you say about me, or infer. That's why I'm here! To have your collective of agreement demonstrate how you can dish it out, but whine like puling dogs when in receipt of the same.

You lay down with liars, and pick up the stink, Jeff. See how Carter was a hero for attempting to save the Embassy staff, just before the election ... or do you 'agree' that seven months before an election isn't about votes? How about Clinton? Can you use as many words on them, as you've used to save your stupid, agreeing, egocentric self's face ...?

No, I seriously doubt that, but you'll tell me how you hate Bush and his admin., again, won't you?

Make me your project, Jeff ... and gain face hand over fist from the liars here ...

#263 | Posted by tadowe

What???

I don't even know where to begin...

...and to whom is this news???
in other words: no shit

What is pathetic is that you go back to a former election to cover up the screwups happening today.
Cash-for-clunkers, for example, is a vote buying scheme at my expense!
#22 | Posted by Eddie

Edward, if you want to yammer on about cash for clunkers, start a thread about cash for clunkers. (There've been several and I'm sure it's just the sort of relatively inexpensive, quick-acting government progrma you'll find particularly objectionable.)

This thread concerns fairly recent goings on. The last presidential eleciton is not ancient history, Edward; we're not debating the guilt or innocence of Socrates here, but the manipulation of the American public in an especially vile manner by a gand of assholes you still seem to think gave off whiffs of Chanel #5.

Sorry, Eddie, but this is a fair topic for discussion. But if you don't like it, you needn't join in.

And, please, for the love of god, can't you sound like something other than a mood-swinger whose two forms of expression are (a) whining and (b) dancing around the sandbox like a would-be bantamweight six-year-old wannabe boxer from Jalisco?

Is anyone really surprised?

It always bothers me when insiders write these books for financial gain shortly after leaving their positions. And, as both the lefties and righties know, controversy garners publicity and sells books. (and Republican and Democratic insiders write these books.. )

In this case, Fran Townsend, who was also there, disputes Ridge's assertions. (little fact that gets overlooked in this so that psychotic Bush Haters can continue to feed their neurosis. )

Ridge was very frustrated with Rumsfield and others inside the Bush administration, and then later overlooked by the Republican establishment as a presidential candidate. So he's got an axe to grind. That doesn't necessarily mean that what he wrote isn't accurate, but it should be looked at within that context.

It wouldn't surprise me at all, (and is certainly not without precedent), if the political guns within the administration tried to push a mild form of "wag the dog" to garner public support. (not wasting a crisis and all that)

The whole color scheme of alerts never meant much of anything to the public. In fact, it was more or less a joke. The real story behind all of this that I wish was covered, is the deplorable state of civil defense that still exists, even after the war on terror.

Most cities, including mine, have in reality, no actionable plans to protect the population in the event of even a mild attack.

Sounds like you've got waaaay too much time on your hands, Nmg. I'll take you at your word and chalk it up to you being, as you've put it, an unemployed, inexperienced, 30-something still living with your Momma. LOL.

-It always bothers me when insiders write these books for financial gain shortly after leaving their positions.

Denial. It's not just a river in Egypt.

As cynical as people are about politics and politicians, it could be expected that people might have thought that the terror alerts were being used, as were the bin Laden tapes, to manipulate Presidential election results..... but even many of us who suspected as much at the time hoped, for the sake of our democracy, that it wasn't true.

Turns out that it was true, according to the Sec of Homeland Security.

More's the shame. There needs to be an independent investigation and some transparency in place for possible future political manipulation of national security policy for crass political ends.

Cheney, Rove, Bush.... traitors to their own form of government.

But then, we already knew that.

"So he's (Ridge) got an axe to grind...."

You mean, that's your theory of the existence of an axe. Be precise.

Cash-for-clunkers, for example, is a vote buying scheme at my expense!

It's amazing how some Republicans have completely forgotten everything that happened during the Bush years. It's like you were born on Obama's inauguration day.

If you view cash-for-clunkers -- a highly successful stimulus program -- as a bribe, how did you view it when Bush sent actual checks to millions of Americans to help popularize his tax cuts?

"If you view cash-for-clunkers -- a highly successful stimulus program -- as a bribe, how did you view it when Bush sent actual checks to millions of Americans to help popularize his tax cuts?"

If the answer was "I didn't like that idea either," would you address the merits of cash for clunkers rather than talk about Bush?

"Rather than talk about Bush...."

The problem here was, when there was Bush, you guys wouldn't talk about him then. There was much defense, but little discussion.

You do behave as if you were born on Obama's Inauguration. It's not amiss to point out inconsistency and, where appropriate, hypocrisy.

If the answer was "I didn't like that idea either," would you address the merits of cash for clunkers rather than talk about Bush?

Cash for clunkers isn't the subject of this discussion. Bush's obscene decision to use the terror alert system to help his re-election chances is the subject.

I can understand why Republicans would not want to talk about that, since it's an incredible misuse of office that adds further credence to the idea that over his time in office, Bush stopped treating 9/11 as a real priority and started using it for political gain. That's the reason his 90 percent approval dropped as quickly as it did.

Bush pissed on the graves of the 9/11 dead.

-Bush pissed on the graves of the 9/11 dead.

Can I get an, "Amen!", brothers?

Not only did Bush/Rove/Cheney do a political August "product roll-out" for their preemptive war, but they manipulated terror alerts (and bin Laden tapes) to stay in office.

Bush's obscene decision to use the terror alert system to help his re-election chances is the subject.

Bush pissed on the graves of the 9/11 dead.
#275 | Posted by rcade

Such passion comes off as desperation.

At its worst, the terror alert system was a stupid idea.

Forcing your idea makes you look desperate.

In retrospect the terror alert system was an ignorant, sophomoric effort by the government that was ignored by most people. Raising it to manipulate an election was a pretty obvious political play to this voter and probably to most informed voters. So I don't think this effort to manipulate the vote amounts to much. So let's not blow this out of proportion

Now the Tonkin Gulf lies of the Johnson administration so the Kennedy/Johnson Viet Nam debacle could gain national support cost thousands of lives. THIS was political manipulation at its most vile.

Not only did Bush/Rove/Cheney do a political August "product roll-out" for their preemptive war, but they manipulated terror alerts (and bin Laden tapes) to stay in office.

#276 | Posted by Corky

Geez!

You need to join JeffInDenmark in the Conspiracy Circle.

Do you really believe that airliners are putting out ChemTrails?

"Raising it to manipulate an election was a pretty obvious political play to this voter and probably to most informed voters. So I don't think this effort to manipulate the vote amounts to much. So let's not blow this out of proportion"

Well, actually, the terrorism card was a strong one for the Bushies, as exit polls indicate. (Matthews had some polling data on last night that said more than 80% of the 20% +/- who listed "Terrorism" as the big deal for them in the 2004 presidential contest voted for the guy whose minions were manipulating "information" and alerts dealing with terrorism specifically to inflence the election.) So, it remains a big deal. It may've been obvious to you and it may've been obvious to me but I do recall the Riiight putting up quite a wail when anyone dared say that. And then you have the voters for whom a hand in front of their face might not be obvious. So, again, it remains a big deal.

"Raising it to manipulate an election was a pretty obvious political play to this voter and probably to most informed voters. So I don't think this effort to manipulate the vote amounts to much. So let's not blow this out of proportion"

Well, actually, the terrorism card was a strong one for the Bushies, as exit polls indicate. (Matthews had some polling data on last night that said more than 80% of the 20% +/- who listed "Terrorism" as the big deal for them in the 2004 presidential contest voted for the guy whose minions were manipulating "information" and alerts dealing with terrorism specifically to inflence the election.) So, it remains a big deal. It may've been obvious to you and it may've been obvious to me but I do recall the Riiight putting up quite a wail when anyone dared say that. And then you have the voters for whom a hand in front of their face might not be obvious. So, again, it remains a big deal.

The problem here was, when there was Bush, you guys wouldn't talk about him then. There was much defense, but little discussion.

You do behave as if you were born on Obama's Inauguration. It's not amiss to point out inconsistency and, where appropriate, hypocrisy.

#274 | Posted by Zed

Actually, Inauguration Day was like waking up from a nightmare and finding that it's not really a nightmare.

We went from Imperial Expansionism to Socialism.

#280 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

I agree with you, but I think that a bigger influence to the election was the Democrat candidate; Many voted against...

Okay, riiightoids, have at this one. If you even dare.

#1 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2009-08-20 04:55 PM

well even though your side wouldnt dare touch some posts on health care I will wade in on this one
and its simple

I cant defend it...period....

my question would be however...how did it effect you..did you assume the old position or what?
did anyone take it seriously at the time..

and isnt this a great time to bring it out...take our minds off health care lies..

again...simply cant defend it IF he is telling the truth and I havent heard anything to the contrary...

and of course scanning the liberal reaction

people want him arrested for it when ted kennedy atttempts to circumvent a law in MASS that he helped to bring about
and there is NOTHING here about it..

oh yeah one more question

did this really cause a lot of people to NOT vote for kerry...I dont think so ...

I don't doubt it in the least. I also don't doubt that our Fuhrer wants us afraid of all sorts of made-up bogeymen, like global warming, the greatest crisis since the Great Depresssion, the health care crisis, and now, the coming Great Flu Epidemic......

#281 "(Matthews had some polling data on last night...)

Matthews ????? You can do better than that. This guy only gets his rocks off on anything that's pro Obama.

Okay, riiightoids, have at this one. If you even dare.

#1 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I can't tell if it's fake outrage or just stupidity borne out of desperation.

#281 "(Matthews had some polling data on last night...)

Matthews ????? You can do better than that. This guy only gets his rocks off on anything that's pro Obama.

#288 | Posted by 3853177z

Or Bill Clinton.

...and that's not all they did, oh no,

Balckwell created caging lists using any name from any state to unregister votes, especially in heavily black districts.

Blackwell redistrictbuted voting machines creating eight hour lines in poor, predominately black districts.

We'll never know if that was enough. We do know that computers created results contrary to exit polls, in four States: Ohio, New Mexico, Pennsylvannia, Florida and blocked Democratic elderly ride sharing telephone lines in New Hampshire. Their computer guru vote manipulator is now dead.

The GOP doesn't like stinking Freedom or Democracy.

and neither does the dem icon ted kennedy either..

so where is the outrage over what he has tried to pull in MASS??

Blackwell redistrictbuted voting machines creating eight hour lines in poor, predominately black districts.
#291 | Posted by nutcase

Uh...

Polling places were set up based on past voter turnout. Predominately black districts had a history of low voter turnout...

The GOP doesn't like stinking Freedom or Democracy.

#291 | Posted by nutcase

Nutcase never heard of ACORN...

LOL!!!!

or seiu or now any of the other companies who MADE A secret deal with the white house and any of the others who AXELROD might be getting money from..

OOPS..forgot.....that shit ISNT Allowed to be discussed when its a dem involved...

sorry

uSING ERORISM FOR POLITICAL GAIN?
I'M shocked!
Shocked, I tell you!
Wooda thunkit?

Is there one person on this board who changes their behavior when the terror level is raised? Does it really affect you in any way? If this actually happened the biggest travesty is Bush believing that it would have any effect at all on the election.

Did this just come to Ridge in a dream 5 years later? He's accusing Bush of committing a crime!

He should have turned this crap over to the authorities at the time.

... Unless he's lying.

Likewise, OMG!, didn't Obama aquire a great deal of votes by eluding to Free Gas and Government "taking care of a mortgage"!!!

#22 | Posted by Eddie at 2009-08-20 07:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ummm...No, he didn't. That was you and your fellow simpletons who tried to imply that.

Such passion comes off as desperation. ... Forcing your idea makes you look desperate.

Do you ever get tired of posting empty-headed noise like this? Clearly you don't have an argument to make on Bush's behalf.

Ummm...No, he didn't. That was you and your fellow simpletons who tried to imply that.

#299 | Posted by COMMONSENSE

LOL. Yeah, right. Whatever.

You can "Object" all you like...

Just like the line in Liar Liar:

Judge: Why are you objecting?
Liar: Because it's detrimental to my case!

LOL!!!

Do you ever get tired of posting empty-headed noise like this? Clearly you don't have an argument to make on Bush's behalf.

#300 | Posted by rcade

Nice try, RCade.

Why don't you try reading... THE other posts from me on the thread.

Happy reading.

When are you libtard shits going to start leading instead of complaining about Bush. Your DearOne's numbers are tanking fast, and, like usual, you bring up Bush.
#52 | Posted by TheOneBS

If we aren't leading, why are you complaining about our new policies so much?

Did this just come to Ridge in a dream 5 years later? He's accusing Bush of committing a crime!
He should have turned this crap over to the authorities at the time.
... Unless he's lying.
#298 | Posted by Eddie

Strike One: Wasn't a criminal act.
Strike Two: What authorities?
Strike Three: So you can call him a liar like now?

We went from Imperial Expansionism to Socialism.
#282 | Posted by Eddie

I don't think that word means what you think it means....

Beefers thinks the title of the book contradicts the whole jist of this thread...

Silly

"I don't think that word means what you think it means...."

Inconceivable!

--Eddie

#303 | Posted by Sycophant
#305 | Posted by Sycophant

*Head->Desk*

You really don't want to have a rational discussion do you?

Sounds like you've got waaaay too much time on your hands, Nmg. I'll take you at your word and chalk it up to you being, as you've put it, an unemployed, inexperienced, 30-something still living with your Momma. LOL.

I wish Doc.. I wish... maybe not about the living with mom, but the 30-something, I'd take that..

Likewise, OMG!, didn't Obama aquire a great deal of votes by eluding to Free Gas and Government "taking care of a mortgage"!!!

#22 | Posted by Eddie at 2009-08-20 07:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ummm...No, he didn't. That was you and your fellow simpletons who tried to imply that.

#299 | Posted by COMMONSENSE

Bullshit. It was a girl on video being asked about Obama and she said she wanted him elected so she would have gas in her tank and her mortgage paid for. That wasn't conservatives who started it, liar.

Bush pissed on the graves of the 9/11 dead.

Posted by rcade

sure did...Cheney & his dad made a 'killin' off of it, too...

sure did...Cheney & his dad made a 'killin' off of it, too...

#311 | Posted by Bani

Please tell me that they invaded a country to make money.

You see? When your ideas get light, they seem to not appear the same as they did in the dark.

"Please tell me that they invaded a country to make money."

One of Cheney's pensions is from Halliburton. You're an idiot if you don't believe a company's financial health affects their pension obligations. Reference Delta or US Steel retirees if needed.

"When your ideas get light, they seem to not appear the same as they did in the dark."

Haskell, though, is obviously still in the dark.

Beefers thinks.... The Bush Administration was capable of such things... Although there was the tape from O.B.L. just before the election which was reported to be the reason the level was raised...

"You really don't want to have a rational discussion do you?"

Yes, we do. Which is why we're having it with someone besides you, you strange and insane idiot.

"Ridge: Bush Raised Terror Alert to Win Re-Election"

Do you have a link to this?

No?

Didn't think so.

LOL. We'll know more when the book comes out. Turns out this is Pre-Publish Date Hype!

LOL!!!!

You Fools.

They didn't raise the alert level.

Repeat

They didn't raise the alert level.

So quit your bitch'in

"Former Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge claims in his new book that he was pressured to raise the terror alert to help George W. Bush win re-election in 2004."

Secretary Ridge, thanks for the heads-up, but this would not exactly come as a big shock, now would it?

Zulu, it's like a rat chewing it's leg off, the left's desperation level is the only thing at Orange.

Now come play some fucking music.

This is instructive. One of the Right's own, with impeccable conservative credentials, claims that the terrorism alert system was rife with political interference and abuse under the Bush administration.

The response? Denial, parsing, and a circling of the usual moronic wagons.

My can't the Democrat Party just go someplace quite and shoot it's useless self in the head instead of making such a spectacle of the event?

Entertaining, yes. But you still have to feel somewhat sorry for the misguided fools.

Hope'n'changeyness

Secretary Ridge, thanks for the heads-up, but this would not exactly come as a big shock, now would it?

#319 | Posted by TheTom at 2009-08-22 12:30 AM | Reply | Flag:

Judging by the thick denial in this room, yes, it would (does).

The reason threads like this are so popular is because the criminal behavior of the Bush Administration was so despicable, prevalent, and damaging. How many MILLION people would still be alive today if GWB had never entered the Oval Office? It amazes me that there is so much rightwing scum which believes political expedience justifies all the Bush/Cheney behavior.

How many MILLION people would still be alive today if GWB had never entered the Oval Office?

We'll never know, will we. The other side of this "what if" game is how many might have died as a result of Gore's policies if he had become president. Just as your question, m8, we'll never know the answer to this one either.

As candidates, both Bush and Gore were very up front about the types of policies they would pursue. Once in office, GWB implemented as many of those policies as he could. Millions died. Assuming for a moment that Gore also would have applied the policies he advocated as a candidate, those millions would still be alive. The world would be a safer place. Our economy would be healthy. And the planet would be greener. (You of course know all this is true. But being a dishonest piece of shit you deny it to the end. Goddamn I think you are scum.)

Gore also would have applied the policies he advocated as a candidate, those millions would still be alive.

But other millions might have died. We'll never know.

You of course know all this is true. But being a dishonest piece of shit you deny it to the end.

Actually, I don't know it to necessarily be true. I don't have a crystal ball.

Goddamn I think you are scum

That's your right.

"Zulu, it's like a rat chewing it's leg off, the left's desperation level is the only thing at Orange."

The left's desperation level???

The controversy is whether the Bush administration used terror alerts to effect political popularity or if Tom Ridge, promininent Republican is using an untruth to sell his book.
Either way, it is the right that is showing thier lack of ethics, either way they are attacking each other.
We on the left are just watching and noticing how unethical the Republicans really are. These are your guys, ain't you proud of them???

We on the left are just watching and noticing how unethical the Republicans really are.

That would exlain your failure to see the shortcomings and growing divisions in your own party and dealing with them -- your are too busy watching the other guys and bitching about them. That's cool. That's the attitude that starts the poliical pendulum to swing in the opposite direction every time.

"That would exlain your failure to see the shortcomings and growing divisions in your own party and dealing with them"

Oh, we've definitely noticed and are doing what we can to deal with it but some Democrats are beyond the reach of average citizens and only respond to the contributions from large health insurance company lobbyists. Hard to compete with contributions in the millions.

If the Democrats have any guts at all they will call a special prosecutor and investigate this to the hilt.

#16 | Posted by rcade at 2009

and when they do maybe they should read part of this book that most here havent bothered to read

and I quote

"I was never directed to do so"
and he said it several times and even went so far as to say something about no matter what pundits say after this comes out

"I was never directed to do so"

thank you

next subject please

next subject please

Posted by afkabl2

Bush repeatedly has said that he witness the first plane hitting the tower...hmmm must have been a meme:>)

Bush Flubs it Again
Details and Confirmation of Prior Knowledge

the whole color warning thing was stupid to begin with.
so when it changed colors what did you do differently

but here is a far worse problem that the govt should look into but they wont because they are beholded and vice versa to the president
FROM a newsletter...

The Obama-ACORN Anti Gun Conspiracy

ACORN -- the Association of Community Organizations for Reform -- a publicly funded national organization is using your tax dollars to actively interfere with the Second Amendment exercise of gun rights in New Jersey and elsewhere.

ACORN went public with its gun control activism when it intervened in an unsuccessful attempt to defend Jersey City, New Jersey, a hot bed of anti-gun rights extremists, to disarm its citizens with a local gun control ordinance. ACORN pushed for stronger local gun restrictions that were already struck down by the New Jersey state court as a violation of state law.

Obama and ACORN's interest is in disarming law-abiding citizens.

It is an outrage that this group has intervened to defend an anti-gun ordinance that has already been declared illegal by the court. So long as ACORN accepts one penny of public funding, the organization should remain absolutely neutral on social issues, political campaigns and especially legal actions defending the right to keep and bear arms.

For the past few election cycles ACORN has clearly grown more partisan toward the radical political Left. ACORN'S PAC, in fact, endorsed Sen. Barack Obama for president, even though their tax-exempt status prohibits endorsement of political candidates. That's hardly surprising since he used to serve as their legal counsel and he taught the group about community organizing. ACORN and Obama are lockstep in seeking to destroy our Second Amendment rights.

We call upon the FBI to expand the scope of its ACORN investigation and focus on the group's involvement in the Jersey City case.

We support Ohio Congressman John Boehner's request that the White House immediately block all federal funding of ACORN activities until this group's questionable activities are fully investigated. We want to know how they are paying for attorneys, and why Seton Hall's Center for Social Justice and the Public Interest Law Center are providing legal assistance to ACORN for this effort.

ACORN has, since 1998, received an estimated $31 million in government funding. Yes, Obama knows a great deal about ACORN and its role in the bailout mess. He is a central figure in the left-wing ACORN exploitation of financial institutions to pressure them to make high risk loans. The very same left-wing ACORN that was sued for voter fraud in our last presidential election.

Fax NOW - STOP ACORN TAXPAYER FUNDING

(second to) Last Word:

So as turns out they asked Ridge to raise the terror alert level because there was a major election in 4 days and terrorists usually pick events like this to attack.

This is in the article:
"WASHINGTON Former US homeland security chief Tom Ridge charges in a new book that top aides to then-president George W. Bush pressured him to raise the "terror alert" level to sway the November 2004 US election."

This statement says that Bush committed a crime!

If he committed a crime then why didn't Ridge blow the whistle?

This statement says that Bush committed a crime!

If he committed a crime then why didn't Ridge blow the whistle?

#337 | Posted by Eddie

the lords of karma have decreed otherwise?

#336 | Posted by afkabl2

LOL!!!

As it turns out, the Liberals did far more to manipulate the outcome of the last election than the Cons ever did.

RCade, how pathetic is that?

"Than the Cons ever did...."

Not possible.

in the book
a quote

"I was never directed to do so" when talking about raising the level......
pressure...okay...so do you libs REALLY want to talk about pressure from the white house with a CHICAGO CROOK now as chief of staff??

"Chicago crook..."

What was he convicted of?

"If he commited a crime, why didn't he (Ridge) blow the whistle....?"

Because he wanted to keep his job. Yes, he's a coward. I'm not the one who hired him.

Chicago crook..."

What was he convicted of?

#342 | Posted by Zed at 2009

I believe it was the same thing that delay was convicted of...wink wink..

but dont even try and tell me he isnt a crook..you can see it written all over his face..or didnt you KNOW I was clarivoyant......

"Than the Cons ever did...."

Not possible.

#340 | Posted by Zed

Yes it is.

And what else is possible and more probable is Libs ignoring the truth about it.

It's sad to see that your time in power has come to an end so soon.

You should have been honest from the beginning and it would have lasted so much longer.

You lose and then you just sit on the curb asking... Why? Why? Why?

"If he commited a crime, why didn't he (Ridge) blow the whistle....?"

Because he wanted to keep his job. Yes, he's a coward. I'm not the one who hired him.

#343 | Posted by Zed

LOL. You really didn't think this one out did you.

If Ridge didn't blow the whistle, then HE committed a crime. Do you really think he's going to admit that in his book?

"He commited a crime...."

He wasn't looking at it that way. Just like the former VP never looked at what he was doing that way, until his life changed, something in his arrogance he forgot could happen.

Okay, riiightoids, have at this one. If you even dare.

#1 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

LOL!!!

"He commited a crime...."

He wasn't looking at it that way. Just like the former VP never looked at what he was doing that way, until his life changed, something in his arrogance he forgot could happen.

#347 | Posted by Zed

you don't even know what Ridge said in his book!

No, Tad.
It isn't 'fact' at all until proven so.
My sole point was that politicos do everything in their power to manipulate the masses. Rcade and others appeared shocked, at the possiblity, that the Bush admin. adopted some time-tested, politically successful strategies. I was mocking their faux outrage far more than I was seeking agreement, as you posit. I am actually a 'Tad' surprised that you failed to recognize my thrust for what it was.
#32 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-08-20 07:41 PM

"Bush raised terror alert to win"

Dem's used tax payers money to get Obama into office. Hello ACORN..... keep talking lib's this is great....

"Keep talking Libs, this is great...."

Frankly, the ACORN fanatics are the same as the Birthers/Anti-Christ crowd. It takes nothing to piss them off, and less to make them paranoid.

So I'm not sure how talking hurts anyone, not even George W. Bush, whom the Right to this date believes is a secret genius, even if they currently find it inconvenient to recall he was actually president for eight years.

LOL. Yeah, right. Whatever.

You can "Object" all you like...

Just like the line in Liar Liar:

Judge: Why are you objecting?
Liar: Because it's detrimental to my case!

LOL!!!

#301 | Posted by Eddie at 2009-08-21 01:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

Since you're so sure of yourself, I'm sure you can link to quote where he "eluded" to it.

You don't even ave to find a quote where he says Free Gas or I'll Pay your mortgage". Just find one were he eludes to it.

Oh, one more thing.....something credible please.

Bullshit. It was a girl on video being asked about Obama and she said she wanted him elected so she would have gas in her tank and her mortgage paid for. That wasn't conservatives who started it, liar.

#310 | Posted by everlong at 2009-08-21 03:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hey Shit-heap, you really should have just stayed out of this one as all you did was make yourself look the fool.

"How" you ask? Let me show you!

The original accusation was that Obama alluded to Free Gas & "taking care of a mortgage". (post #22)

I said that it was Rightards, like yourself, who tried to imply that that was what he meant and you then call me a liar. The funniest part was that you actually included the post that PROVES my point (#22) in your reply.

priceless.

how pathetic is that?
#339 | Posted by Eddie | Flag: Personification of the Gold Standard for "Pathetic"