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Wednesday, August 19, 2009

"The worst thing that could happen is to pass a bill without a public option. Then we'd put $60 billion new dollars a year into the health insurance industry that is busy taking away your health insurance when you need it most, stopping you from getting health insurance, taking it away if you lose a job and not giving it back to you if you get it back." -- ,Howard Dean last weekend to an assembly of Democratic activists

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Howard Dean is a nimrod. He is responsible for what will historically be viewed as the complete collapse of the democratic party in just a few short years.

John from brokencountry.com

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Lol good one. Nothing better than a fellow human with a sense of humor. Thanks for the laugh.

JD

Howard who?

Dr. Dean is a Doctor, who would know better?
Free health care for all!

Be Well.

You know who. That psycho that ruined any chance he had of becoming president by letting the real "Crazy Howard" slip out in a moment of weakness. That stuff is the stuff of legends.

JD

AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHRRRRRRR
GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!

Howard Dean made the trail that Obama followed four years later to the White House. He also presided over the Democratic takeover of Congress during his time running the DNC. If he's crazy, Dems could use more of that crazy.

Dr. Dean is a Doctor, who would know better?
Free health care for all!

Be Well.

#5 | Posted by skip_wellington

A Dr who has not practiced in decades and only then just part time for less than 10 years.


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#2 | Posted by rcade

It also has a funny picture of Biden. LOL!


Howard Dean made the trail that Obama followed four years later to the White House. He also presided over the Democratic takeover of Congress during his time running the DNC. If he's crazy, Dems could use more of that crazy.

#8 | Posted by rcade

Dean capitalized on the huge mistakes of Bush. No pun intended, but a monkey could have done what Dean did.

Too bad the country jumped out of the frying pan into the fire.

Dr. Dean is a Doctor, who would know better?
Free health care for all!

Be Well.

#5 | Posted by skip_wellington

Dr. Steve Kagan is a member of the Assembly from Wisconsin. I wouldn't trust him to prescribe a bottle of aspirin. These are career politicains, but I understand you equating them with Dr. Frankenstein.

I have a honest question. If this bill is now "Health Insurance Reform" then what is the need for the public option?

Seriously, if this bill is supposed to fix all those shady things that the evil hell spawn executives of health insurance companies do, then what is the need for a government run public option? It just seems unnecessary if this "reform" fixes the problem with private insurance... I mean unless of course the true motive behind the public option is to eliminate private insurers, but that can't be. No one, certainly not the President himself, has ever said that it will eliminate private insurers... nope.

What's wrong with competition?

Greendad,

That's a very valid question.

I never looked at it that way.

"What's wrong with competition?"

There are plenty of private insurers, why is it so necessary for a government option, especially if the bill will "reform" the private companies? Unless the ultimate plan is government takeover this seems unnecessary, or the "reform" bill is a bunch of crap.

"why is it so necessary for a government option"

Lose your job and find out.

#16 | Posted by GreenDad at

You're right, we just wanted to murder your fucking grandma.

or the "reform" bill is a bunch of crap.
#16 | Posted by GreenDad

Its all they think the right is going to let them get away with so they'll sell that as reform in hopes that people fall for it.

We are nazis who will not rest untill we kill all of the old people.

"Lose your job and find out.

#17 | POSTED BY BIG_LEAGUE_CHEW"

Isn't that the point of this "Reform" bill? they're making it so insurance companies can't do that kind of stuff anymore?

Which part of this is full of crap? The reform of Private Insurance companies or the part where the public option doesn't become the only option?

Has to be one.

By the way, who hasn't lost a job in their lifetime? Every time I've had to find a new job when I'm interviewing I ask if they have insurance, if they say no then I don't consider them, and shockingly its never been a problem for my family.

"You're right, we just wanted to murder your fucking grandma.

#18 | POSTED BY NOGOV4ME"

You've never heard me talking here about death panels. You have heard me talking about rationing especially for the elderly, but that's nothing Obama himself hasn't even talked about.

Instead of the vitriolic response, how about answering the question. If you're reforming the private insurers so they can't screw over the American public then why is there even a need for the public option?

"Its all they think the right is going to let them get away with so they'll sell that as reform in hopes that people fall for it.

#19 | POSTED BY HAGBARD_CELINE"

The Democrats have unbeatable majorities in both houses of Congress. Blaming the Republicans is not a reasonable response to why healthcare "reform" is having problems. If every Republican votes No and every Democrat votes Yes, it passes with overwhelming support.

How it must feel to be a democrat, rats and scum are your leaders, socialism your goal..

The only good thing about Hussein duping America into electing him, is that no democrat will win the presidentcy again for the next 16 years....minimum....

"Free" health care?

so my taxes won't go up?

There won't be an increase in the national debt?

No money will be exchanged AT ALL in the execution of "national health care"?

SWEET!! How 'bout free food too?...and...and...how 'bout my gym membership?...all important aspects of maintaining my health!!

I could go on, but by now the retardedness of your comment has been exposed for all to see!

#22 | Posted by GreenDad at

That is my response. The nazi illegal alien president who I see as my messiah feeds off of the blood of old people. It's what keeps him alive.

"Blaming the Republicans is not a reasonable response to why healthcare "reform" is having problems."

I said the right, meaning the right of their own party as well. This bill is becoming a duck and cover measure for them.

"If every Republican votes No and every Democrat votes Yes, it passes with overwhelming support."

All the Republicans need is to peel off one Democrat Senator and they'll fillibuster it out of existence.

"I said the right, meaning the right of their own party as well. This bill is becoming a duck and cover measure for them.

#27 | POSTED BY HAGBARD_CELINE "

You're right, I'm sorry, I read that wrong you did say right.

Sorry about that... and you are right.

#12 | Posted by wisgod at 2009-08-19 08:53 PM | Reply | Flag: Rabid old bastard who thinks watergate was cattle gap

No peeeaaaace.

Isn't that what that alien said in the movie "Independence Day." Then was promptly destroyed.

"If you're reforming the private insurers so they can't screw over the American public then why is there even a need for the public option?"

I think that is a valid question.

"In 2000, the CEOs of the largest hospital system and largest insurance company in Massachusetts shook hands on a plan to manipulate the health care market and ensure each other greater profits and market-share, an extensive report by the Boston Globe has revealed. Under the wink-and-a-nod handshake deal, Blue Cross insurance agreed to raise reimbursement rates to Partners HealthCare - the largest hospital system and private employer in the state - in exchange for Partners' insistence that other insurers pay them at least the same rates paid by Blue Cross.

The agreement enabled Partners to secure higher reimbursements from all insurers and gave Blue Cross a competitive advantage in the market. Since the agreement, Blue Cross has raised its payment rates to Partners by 75%, far more than it pays to other hospitals, helping Partners hospitals earn 30% more than other teaching hospitals - resulting in hundreds of millions in extra payments to Partners each year, as the Globe reports. Blue Cross, for its part, dominates with 60% of the health insurance market and has seen profits soar from $82.7 million in 2002 to more than $200 million each year since. Consumers in Massachusetts have faced ever-rising premiums, with individual insurance premiums raising 9% each year, twice the rate of the late 1990's, before the handshake deal.""

progressivestates.org

That is just one example, there are lots of others, lots of different schemes but they all share one thing, the goal is profit not good medicine. The patient is virtually the last consideration.

The way it seems to me, is that parts of the health care industry hire very smart lawyers and accountants and figure out how to play the system for highest profits. Patients and health care take a back seat. I think it is time that we figured out a way to put health care back into health care.

Not just Rethuglicans, but Demowussies were and remain scared to death of Dean's careful thought process, honesty and practical solutions. But, without Dean, there would have been no Obama Presidency... and no continuation of this fucking bailout and definately a cleaner break from all of Shrub's stupid fucking ideas, like Iraq.

People should listen to what former doctors, like Dean and Paul, have to say about health care.

it might be a "valid" question but it is an uninformed one.

for one thing it assumes "fixing" the private insurance companies will magically cover the uninsured; you know, like when Greendad is between jobs and turning down offers if they don't include, i assume decent, health insurance.

what i'd like to know is: during this times of unemployment and noncoverage, apparently Greendad is experienced with such times: what do you for yourself and your family during those times especially if you were to have a catastrophe? or mb GD is "independently" wealthy and really doesn't need to work, or, doesn't really need the EXTRA covered or some employer... who considers it part of your your wage anyway, like the military.

GD is this you?
www.youtube.com

oh, and do apply for work in government? (don't answer, i don't care. bad day.)

EXTRA covered or = EXTRA coverage of

#34 | Posted by ichiro

About 10 years ago a guy was hired to my branch office, but had to wait 3 months for company-provided healthcare to kick-in. So, he went out and got a cheap, catastrophic plan as a stop-gap measure. After work he was playing softball and managed to shatter his hip trying to field a ground-ball. Yes, he shattered his fricking hip trying to play a routine grounder. His medical bill was $25k and almost all of it was covered by his provider. He was 25 years-old at the time and contemplated NOT getting the stop-gap policy. He made the right choice. Obviously.

"If you're reforming the private insurers so they can't screw over the American public then why is there even a need for the public option?"

define "American public", GD. because the "American public" does not have [private or any] health insurance.

www.cnn.com

www.google.com

www.businessweek.com

The Health Insurers Have Already Won
How UnitedHealth and rival carriers, maneuvering behind the scenes in Washington, shaped health-care reform for their own benefit

The BW piece drives this home:

In late spring, the Finance Committee was assuming a 76% reimbursement rate on average, meaning consumers would be responsible for paying the remaining 24% of their medical bills, in addition to their insurance premiums. Stevens and his UnitedHealth colleagues urged a more industry-friendly ratio. Subsequently the committee reduced the reimbursement figure to 65%, suggesting a 35% contribution by consumersmore in line with what the big insurer wants. The final figures are still being debated.

...14,000 people losing insurance coverage every day

...expanded coverage for the uninsured won't begin until 2013

...The likely victors are insurance giants such as UnitedHealth Group (UNH), Aetna (AET), and WellPoint (WLP).
WellPoint's Board includes Susan Bay and William H.T. Bush. Susan is the wife of Indiana Senator Evan Bayh. Flipping her stock options grossed the Bayh family over $1.5 million the last five years. William H.T. Bush is known as "Uncle Bucky" to President George W. who never saw an insurance company he didn't like.

UnitedHealth's board includes Gail Wilensky, an expert who testified before Max Baucus' Senate Finance Committee. She failed to disclose her board role or her $20 million in health care stock holdings in her public testimony.

The big worry for the Democrats is not the Health Care Bills themselves, but how to hold on to the Senior Citizen vote.
If this group bails and votes for the Republicans that could cause huge shifts in the Senate and the House.

if you don't like the profits insurance companies make, then don't buy it. Self insure. But whinny people always say then they will go to the ER and Govt has to pay for it anyway. That is the big fallacy. If Govt did not get involved with mandating that you have to provide for people no matter what then Govt would not care if you had insurance or not. If govt did not bail out companines, then it would not care how much CEOs are paid. You give the govt a cookie, and then it asks for a glass of milk. Keep them the hell out of our lives.

The big insurance slugs don't want government public option because EVERYONE will switch to it and they will loose a few billion/trillion .

Health care, to improve, must have
1. Public auction.
@. Neutered lawywers.

these are the two reasons health care is out of control

1. Lawyers 2. Shyster insurance agents.

50 years ago docs charged what would keep them in business. no layers no insurance agents. my BIRTH at a hospital for three day stay was 175 dollars.

now it is 18,000 dollars.

TOO IMPORTANT to leave on backpage

AXLEROD...owned part of company and then quit
gets big paycheck....that company benefits from govt TAX money

lets see.

where have we heard that before

oh yeah..something about cheney and what WAS It called..oh yeah HAliburton..

gee that caused a fuckin riot when that came out didnt IT???

anyone read about a riot yet???????????

We have MILLIONS and NILLIONS on total government welfare medical insurance.

This is the best insurance possible. These people don't pay a dime for any visit ever and they get the most tests done ever.
It is sonderful and they use OUR EXISTING SYSTEM!

If you are right wing and brainwashed to keep government out of health care, be aware you are listening to a programmed lie through the big insurance companies. Their fat would be seriously trimmed.

The health care system with welfare as it stand s now for millons works WELL. I would take welfare if I could it is better than blue cross. everything including drugs is payed for.

Oush for PUBLIC OIPTION or remain HYPNOTIZED by the big black snake.

Government is FOR THE PEOPLE, not
NOT to PROTECT PREDATORY MASSIVE CONGLOMERATES.

Remember that

For the people.

People get together and unite and elect representatives to make live better for them, their own roads, dams power and hospitals now.

its part of being a people.

When big businesses come in and charge an arm and leg to insure you then deny care, this is not government for the peopl it is government for the rich snakes.

and lawyers should be payed 30 bucks an hour, rewards should go to the people.

court cases would not take months, they would be done in an afternoon.

Oush for PUBLIC OIPTION or remain HYPNOTIZED by the big black snake.

#43 | Posted by richardrhine

I am flagging that as offensive.

Quit talking about Obama's rod.

and there is still some discussion as to the constitutionality of the govt taking over health care from private businesses.

heard two constitutional lawyers last night giving their reasons why it would not be and that a suit would be coming..

main point...congress has completely aborted the intent of interstate commerce which was meant to keep states from say...new jersey imposing high tariffs on new york stuff for instance,,,,

because nowhere in the constitution does it grant the fed this power...

may prove to be an interesting part of the debate..dont you think?

ONE MORE TIME

when people hear PUBLIC option thier reaction is much different that when they hear the TRUTH

GOVERNMENT OPTION....

You need to check your myths at the door, BLT.

www.drudge.com

#41 | Posted by richardrhine

50 years ago docs charged what would keep them in business. no layers no insurance agents. my BIRTH at a hospital for three day stay was 175 dollars.
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That was when the Feds stayed out of the Health Care sector.

now it is 18,000 dollars.
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Now the Feds have a huge role in the Health Care sector.
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So more Federal Government will do what?

cuts in medicare is no myth
and with those cuts in medicare will come rationing

you can blare out the dem talk all you want.
those are facts that happen all the time in other countries

just listen to dr Anna DOig who is the incoming head of the canadian health ministry.

imploding was one word she used and while she said good things about it being for everyone she did Talk about rationing and the HIGH and getting higher COSTS they are incurring
she also made a statment about the high waiting period for surgery and needed tests....
ALL of the things we predict would happen here...

so my point is based on people like her who must have SOME credibility since she is in charge of the whole thing

"The worst thing that could happen is to pass a bill without a public option." Dean

Translation: The worst thing that could happen is to pass this bill without giving the federal govt. strangle-hold control over its people.

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No public option, no peace....or, I'll scream at you! RRRRRRRRARAAAAAAAWWWWWRRRRRRRR
!

No public option, no peace....or, I'll scream at you! RRRRRRRRARAAAAAAAWWWWWRRRRRRRR
!

#54 | Posted by jonryker at 2009-08-20 03:30 PM | Reply | Flag: Scary

JONRYKER you done askared me with that their yellin and ain't no way you gones to have no kinds of peaces with folks likes me agetting usn's them purdy, long, hard, black, shiny guns and goings two them Town Hall Tee Partay Meatups and makings you fellers knows that ya'll ain't goons to have no hellthy cares. You ain't reicht JONRYKER but you ain't a goona be ables to see you no kinds of Psychokyantrist cuz you ain't goona be ables to have no hellthy cares and you just gones to be runnings roundabout aroaring at usn's town hall tee partiers and you ain't a goona be ables to pay fer them hellthy mind pills and thens me be needings my sexay gun to keeps you from steeling my sexay Dodge Monaco with its sexay Corentheeans Leather seats like some crazy feller likes them fellers plays them Grind Theft Auto video games.

Tinyelvis,

"And we're gonna go to Ohio. And we're gonna go to Minnesota. And we'
re......RRRRRAAAAAAWWAWWRRRR!"

"and there is still some discussion as to the constitutionality of the govt taking over health care from private businesses."

Oh??? So they are fixing to declare Medicare unconstitutional??? I think all of you who are so dead set against the government getting involved in health care (as if they aren't already) should make a vow to not take Medicare when you qualify.
If you are going to run your mouth about how bad government health care is then, fine, do without it.

But, we both know, when you qualify you'll take it and like it.

Need I say it....HYPOCRIT!

"Oh??? So they are fixing to declare Medicare unconstitutional???"

I hope so. I can't seem to find it at all in the Constitution.

Danni,

How's that government involvement in health care going?

"How's that government involvement in health care going?" JONRYKER

Ask your congressman. They've had government health care for decades and they've never opted out of it. That's because they like it. But some are bribed by the insurance companies to say they don't.

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