Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Tuesday, August 18, 2009

About a dozen people carrying guns were among protesters outside the Phoenix convention center where President Barack Obama was giving a speech Monday. One man, who carried an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle slung over his shoulder, told a reporter he did it because "in Arizona, I still have some freedoms."

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I just don't care what the rabid second amendment folks say this is getting crazy. NO one should be allowed to bring weapons to town hall meetings, much less to appearances of the president. The crazy people in this country have gone too far, it is time to start reigning these crazy bastards in.
No good can come of any of this.

I don't think many 2nd amendment "rabid" supporters (such as my self) are advocating to allow the bringing of weapons to events where government members are speaking, much less the President.

It's the only way for the poor little fellas to feel adequate.

"such as my self"

I'd argue that this means you're not rabid.

Maybe you've had your shots?

Penis envy? FrankF2.5 and his 11 brothers attended?

#5

Franks penis jokes, AU's van jokes, bob's car antenna jokes, MW's housing military jokes... these have staying power.... I don't know why.

But I'm still laughing.

That's OK Hagbard-wissy-wussy is the one obsessed with the size of my pecker-he just CAN'T let go of it.
It's really beginning to get creepy-though...

Even though I've told him time and again-my wife would refuse to share me.

Tell me, old man. Is it penis envy when you've got one down your throat?

Still think that's a bat in your sweaty little paws, li'l league? Still wondering why yours is the only game with 2 balls in play?

Guess again, sport

Even though I've told him time and again-my wife would refuse to share me.

#9 | Posted by frankf55

Hey, if she enjoys small pleasures in life, who the fuck am I to argue? Give it to her 3 times tonight and join the mens club.

Just 12?

"That's OK Hagbard"

I appreciate that. I feel guilty laughing.

I'd laugh if it was me too... though I admit it might smart a bit.

I'm pissing myself at the "he just can't let go of it".

I wish I was a Micro-Surgeon.

If it wasn't for penises and wives the poor old Wisconsin dumbfuck wouldn't have anything to post.
Good for you, Oscar. Good for you.

Good for you, Oscar. Good for you.

#15 | Posted by Big_League_Chew

And the runt of the family chimes in. Is Big Frank your Dad or Brother?

OK, just sign the title and he's your wiz. I'm through with him for a while.

Talkingpointsmemo.com linked to the story of the guy with the AR-15, and it looked like he was Black

www.talkingpointsmemo.com

www.azcentral.com

Just another link and a picture of a really dark white guy with a gun

OK, just sign the title and he's your wiz. I'm through with him for a while.

#18 | Posted by goatman

I've thought about this. I'll take him for 2 simpleton retards to be named later. And Null has a no-trade contract.

LOL - this coming from the metrosexual left!

What the fuck is it with anti-gun people and penis size?

Me thinks they doth protest too much.

On topic, it is a bad development that the number of people showing up at these things with guns is increasing. There is absolutely no need for it to go there.

This was a gun thread?

I thought it was about Obama and certain stereotypes regarding the size of... nevermind.

I can picture them pulling up in their bgg ol truck, with the big ol tires and the great big CB antenna, jumping down out of it with a great big belt buckle and grabbing their great big gun so they can show everyone what a great big man they are. What a life. . .

This guy was an idiot.

signed

A certified "Gun Nut" and believer in the 2nd Amendment

what a pathetic headline

it's open season on whites, especially white males

pathetic headline posted by no doubt a pathetic person

I wonder if RCADE is going to do something about his headline, I am sure he would if the c word were in it.

No surprise. White males are second class citizens not deserving of any respect, right?

Gosh. The headline writer has never served in the military. There is a distinction between "rifle" (weapon) and "gun" (penis) that most people learn early on.

Here is a ditty for incoming recruits.

"This is my rifle.
This is my gun.
This is for shooting.
This is for fun."

It is unfortunate that the headline writer equates his manhood with a weapon. I suppose that this is just another form of paraphilia.

Poor guy. I hope for his sake (if it is a he) that he's well hung, and in the remote possibility that the writer is a woman then for her sake, I hope that she has "a deep well."

After all, we Americans are a compassionate people. We wish other folks the best.

Nice job editing the headline! Now it's corect and accurate unlike the origina headline that nogov4me put in, what a loser.

I agree with Danni. These gatherings are no place to bring a gun.

And why would they bring one in the first place??

What would they be fearful of that they would need to protect themselves? There is security in place to begin with.

Or did they bring those guns as a method to intimidate others???

I don't credit these folks with a whole lot of common sense.

That meeting was stacked with Obama supporters. They were so mesmerized by the Messiah that Barry couldn't even find someone to ask him a question. Why would 12 Obama supporters be carrying guns?

Penis envy? LMAO. What about the monster truck guys or the huge off road trucks. LOL

www.associatedcontent.com

Geez, all the bullshit banter about which poster has a bigger dick and who's a bigger jerk, and hardly any discussion of whether it's a good idea to bring a gun to an event featuring the president. Sorry to interrupt everyone's playground taunts, but I'm going to weigh in on the topic and say only a possibly demented asshole looking for trouble would bring a gun to an event featuring the president.

Please resume your taunts.

Let's see. The so-called protesters were outside, in a public place and nowhere near the dear politicians that somehow need special protection. This is in Arizona, a right-to-carry state. So in any large crowd there is likely to be a good number of people carrying concealed. Any person carrying around a rifle is likely to be a nutjob or more likely a member of the opposition. Think about it - just as swastikas spray painted on signs or KKK outfits, who does it help? And which side has been instructed by their leader to "get in their face", and "push back twice as hard"?

Oh right. They must be for the constructive part of the town meeting.

Just when you think the GOP has done something stupid that can't be topped, they top it.

It's only a matter of time before one of these people shoots up a political event, either to go after the politician or the crowd. The laws need to be changed so these folks aren't allowed anywhere near a presidential appearance.

Surely Republicans can see the danger here, given the shootings of Reagan, Ford, JFK and RFK.

"So in any large crowd there's likely to be a good number of people carrying concealed...."

To a political rally of this sort? Well, just peachy. Then they won't mind showing their papers to the cop I call when I get a glimpse of their weapon. But maybe they will also all wear signs that say "Good Guy".

I'm for gun rights...but how hard would it have to come up behind this guy and cut his gun sling?
Not very smart.

I don't think the Luby's rationale holds for any gathering protected by police or Secret Service. Just leave your gun at home for once.

lotsa people would pick up a gun to protect their country.

some would point the gun that-a way, while others would point the gun this-a way

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Period. Doesn't say anything about "except to political rallies"

Just too damned bad there are no militias, LIBS. I'd really like to see a few of you guys in a "well-regulated one". The discipline would kill you.

I don't think the Luby's rationale holds for any gathering protected by police or Secret Service. Just leave your gun at home for once.

#41 | Posted by Zed at 2009-08-18 09:13 AM | Reply

Guess what princess, when the shooting starts the secret service and cops aren't worried about "Zed", they're worried about the headliner.

BTW, I assume you've blasted Obama for the use of signing statements, right? You're not a hypocrite, right?

"You're a hypocrite, right...."

Often, really. But I'll never be in your class.

And which "well-regulated" militia do these clowns belong to?

Fresno:

I don't think this is a party issue, at least it shouldn't be.

This site is a good example of how passionate opinions can cause one to say or do things they normally wouldn't say or do when someone doesn't agree with their political views.

Carrying a weapon when emotions are as high and intense as they are at political gatherings will eventually lead to disaster.

Neither party is less subjective to those strong emotions than the other.

Often, really. But I'll never be in your class.

#46 | Posted by Zed at 2009-08-18 09:19 AM | Reply

I'd like to rub your nose in shit some more by challenging you to post something of mine that is hypocritical, but instead I'll use the fact you aren't bashing Obama for his signing statements.

Then I'll point out that the SS doesn't give a fuck about you when the lead starts to fly.

So hypocrite, what's next?

Sorry, CHAIRBORNE---I didn't mean to say "hypocritical"---I meant something like "gleefully sadistic"--Still want to issue a challenge?

I'm not sure any of us are against the second amendment.

But I am against stupid people carrying guns. IQ Test them please... some people are too dumb to carry a firearm. But it sounds to me as if they want to make martyr's of themselves... and they will.. cause as soon as something happens and the law enforcement goes to 'clamp down' every single one of those retards are going to be arrested.

It's scare tactics and its sad it's all these nutjobs have.

Period. Doesn't say anything about "except to political rallies"

Their rights already are limited. These clowns couldn't take the guns into the actual event. If that's legal, it's legal to extend a gun-free zone further outside the event.

I'm out of here. It's easier to say something bad about someone's mother than to say something bad about their guns.

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Period. Doesn't say anything about "except to political rallies"

Squeeky Fromm and Tommy Hinckley.

Like they say at those rightwing domestic terrorist training camps, if ya got nothin' to say, bring a gun to shut up the opposition.

Sorry, CHAIRBORNE---I didn't mean to say "hypocritical"---I meant something like "gleefully sadistic"--Still want to issue a challenge?

#50 | Posted by Zed at 2009-08-18 09:27 AM | Reply

You meant to say it, you just didn't expect to get called on it.
That's not very christian of you.

So, about those Obama signing statements...
Oh, and the fact that the secret service and police aren't there to protect you, but instead the political headliner...

(don't worry, I don't actually expect you to answer to those things. I just like pointing out that you're unable to answer)

I'm out of here.

#53 | Posted by Zed at 2009-08-18 09:30 AM | Reply

Of course you are.

Something about having to defend your hypocrisy makes you flee.

Cockface says "And which "well-regulated" militia do these clowns belong to?"

District of Columbia v. Heller, 128 S.Ct. 2783 (2008) ruled that "[t]he Second Amendment protects an INDIVIDUAL right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home" and "that the District's ban on handgun possession in the home violates the Second Amendment, as does its prohibition against rendering any lawful firearm in the home operable for the purpose of immediate self-defense."

"Their rights already are limited." - RCADE

Point taken.

As I've said on several occasions, I'm not anti-gun ownership. That said, it seems pretty unwise to bring a gun into a situation such as this. Easy way to stop it though, a bunch of sharpshooters on top of building with laser sights. A few of these folks walk around for a coupla hours with red dots on their heads or hearts and they might not get off the shitter for a week. Better yet, place the dot right in the left eye.

So, when Liblower keeps saying, "a well-regulated militia", he doesn't really mean it.

And neither does the Constitution, apparently, according to a court stacked with conservative fruitcakes like Scalia.

"On June 26, 2008, by a 5 to 4 decision, the Supreme Court upheld the federal appeals court ruling, striking down the D.C. gun law. Justice Antonin Scalia,"

So, for over 200 years the Constitution meant what it said about a "well-regulated militia", until these Bush appointees decided last year to ignore it.

Talk about your Judaical activism.....

judicial, lol

"That said, it seems pretty unwise to bring a gun into a situation such as this" - REAGAN58

Personally, I wouldn't bring mine. However, I'm not pompous enough to suggest how others should exercise their right.

LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME!

"So, for over 200 years the Constitution meant what it said about a "well-regulated militia", until these Bush appointees decided last year to ignore it." - Cockface

Tripe. Educate yourself on what the Founding Fathers had to say.

Here's a start:

"[The Constitution preserves] the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation...(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." -James Madison,The Federalist Papers,No. 46.

"No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution, 1776

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them." - George Mason

"Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence" - George Washington

"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not." - Thomas Jefferson

Libs_R_Below_Me: These guys are followed around by police and/or Secret Service from the time they are spotted with guns. So those officers can't do what they normally would do to keep the event safe.

Why is these folks' need to carry a gun conspicuously at a political protest more important than the need to protect a political leader and keep order at a political event?

You know you're an idiot when you have to bring a gun to a political rally to get your point across. If it takes fear mongering to make anyone listen, then you have already lost.

"Why is these folks' need to carry a gun conspicuously at a political protest more important than the need to protect a political leader and keep order at a political event?" - RCADE

It is not a need - it's a right. The dear leader is protected, as you mentioned earlier, and I agreed with, by physical seperation. Just because one carries a gun does not mean that disorder will follow.

#66

Great post Taxman!!

These pussies are probably afraid to hike in the woods without an AK-47.

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms." - Thomas Jefferson

-Tripe. Educate yourself on what the Founding Fathers had to say.

There are lots of quotes to trade from the FFs, but until last year's judicial activism by a conservative court, we have had different rules for over 200 years.

That's a fact.

#67

But the likelihood is much greater.

I don't credit people for carrying guns to events like this, with much common sense.

I guess it's their "right" to portray themselves as such.

lmao!

Next Liblower will be posting the TJ quote that the first gun-toter was carrying as a sign the other day, the same quote these guys anti-gub'mint hero Tim McVeigh was wearing on his t-shirt after he bombed a Federal building in Oklahoma.

Nice company you guys keep.

Lisa - point taken. That's your opinion, and I have mine. As I said, I wouldn't bring mine to an event like this (yet). But I respect those that do.

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms." - Thomas Jefferson

They are simply reminding our leaders that WE have the power.

It is not a need - it's a right. ...

Having a right to do something does not mean your decision to exercise it is always justified.

Why is that guy's need to strap an assault rifle on his back more important than the need to keep a political event safe? Assuming he is not planning to use that gun, he's taking up police resources that could be spent pursuing would-be assassins, terrorists and others who plan violence.

But I respect those that do.

Would you respect a person who exercised his free speech rights by burning a flag outside one of these rallies?

RCADE - I see your point. I just disagree. I would argue that he IS using the weapon. Judging by the reaction, I would say it was very effective.

"Would you respect a person who exercised his free speech rights by burning a flag outside one of these rallies?"

100%. Anti-flag burning rules, amendments, etc are BY THEIR VERY NATURE unconstitutional and counter to what the FF's intended.

However, I'm not pompous enough to suggest how others should exercise their right.

#62 | Posted by Libs_R_Below_Me at 2009-08-18 09:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

I made no suggestion about how they should exercise any right. I made a suggestion about how the legal authorities should make certain that the individuals in question don't shoot anyone political person, crowd member or bystander.

Please excuse me for a moment while I exercise my right to go have a smoke.

Fair enough. But as a native of Dallas whose parents both went to see JFK on the day he was killed, I think people who carry guns to political events are playing with fire. It will stop happening the next time a politician is assassinated. I wouldn't wish that on any of our leaders, ever, or on our country.

Why don't they set up 'wing nut zones' like Smirky the Wonder Chimp's handlers did whenever they had events? Put up a big barbed wire enclosure about 5 blocks away and herd these losers into it like the shit eating sheep they are. It worked for the shrub and the 'dangerous' people there were only guilty of wearing the wrong t-shirt.

Actually Rogers, what's more likely to happen and very quietly at that, is that the exclusion zones that the Secret Service and police enforce for events like this will expand. We'll see the metal detectors and other such measures placed out half a click or more. Then all of our lives will be more disrupted and inconvenient.

#82 These guys are likely all Bush Loyalty Oathers anyway. They just didn't feel they needed their guns for Chimpy, as Dick had him under control.

They have a photo of the the guy with the assualt rifle at CNN and other places:

www.abc15.com

Sorter throws a gear in the whole "angry white guy" narrative...

"Put up a big barbed wire enclosure about 5 blocks away and herd these losers into it like the shit eating sheep they are. "

And then turn the fire hoses on them to "cool them off".

Well now bringing guns is the thing to do. You get press and you get to create the impression that Town Hall events are dangerous places that will cause the average person a second thought before attending.

#75

Well stated!

Libs R;

so are you saying they carried those guns to remind our leaders that "we have power".... that meaning intimidation????

The right idiocy talking point protest in ARZ is running stupidly high.

For some reason down in arizona the right have convinced the people that Obama is going to outlaw guns.

Stupid is what these people are, just stupid.

If the far right wants to carry guns, liberals need to carry them as well. It appears to me we are on the verge of civil war again. It is obvious compromise can no longer occur. Violence is the only form of communication the right understands.

"that meaning intimidation????" - Lisa

No - just a physical reminder that the true power of this Republic lies with We the People. I honestly doubt that anyone is intimidated by a display of our Constitutional rights. If they are - they do not deserve to hold public office.

IMHO.

"that meaning intimidation????" - Lisa

No - just a physical reminder that the true power of this Republic lies with We the People. I honestly doubt that anyone is intimidated by a display of our Constitutional rights. If they are - they do not deserve to hold public office.

IMHO.

"If the far right wants to carry guns, liberals need to carry them as well."

EXACTLY.

#93

Great!

Back to the days of the Old West!

Clear the streets everyone!!

If the far right wants to carry guns, liberals need to carry them as well. It appears to me we are on the verge of civil war again. It is obvious compromise can no longer occur. Violence is the only form of communication the right understands.

#90 | Posted by jackass

I'm sure all the fascists in history (the great majority of whom were on the political Left) would agree with you!

I'm sure all the fascists in history (the great majority of whom were on the political Left)

Amazing how the Fascists and Communists are both left. Who is on the right; the Heroes? Fascism is a right leaning doctrine just as Communism is a left leaning doctrine. Deal with it.

These nutjobs inspire each other. More and more will show up with guns until someone kills somebody(probably wouldn't be the prez either).

One of these people needs to get an ass kicking and a long jail sentence. And anyone who doesn't learn from the example should get the same. The rest will jump up and down about their "rights" but they won't show up to any more events. Most of them are just grandstanders trying to impress fellow idiots.

If enough emotionally fragile idiots carry firearms to political events, eventually there WILL be a shooting incident that could get very very ugly.

Thats the price you pay for living in a free society.

"Freedom" is NOT directly related to "Safe", NOR SHOULD IT BE. Even worse, to much focus on safety is MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE with being free. However, on a more plesant note, basic safety and freedom are not mutually exclusive.

It is sensible to have some restrictions on where firearms can be used/carried, but when those restrictions make it hard to casually keep your weapon with you most of the time, they go to far.

It is perfectly legit to want to live free. But don't lie to yourself or others about the cost.

It is perfectly legit to want to live safely. But don't lie to yourself or others about the cost.

(I don't own a firearm, and never have owned one).

Gosh. The headline writer has never served in the military. There is a distinction between "rifle" (weapon) and "gun" (penis) that most people learn early on.
#30 | POSTED BY JOHNSON AT 2009-08-18 08:31 AM

So, at the NRA website, all those 'gun' references are really 'penis' references? Aha! I knew it!

Just too damned bad there are no militias, LIBS. I'd really like to see a few of you guys in a "well-regulated one". The discipline would kill you.
#44 | POSTED BY ZED AT 2009-08-18 09:18 AM

Ahh.... so there are no, and have never been, any "LIBS" in the military? Hmmm...

#85 -- I like the caption of the photo in your link: One protester who didn't want to give his name was walking around with an assault rifle in full view.
Really? Wouldn't it be a concealed weapon if it wasn't in full view?

Also: "He said he's fighting both health care and his right to carry a firearm in public."
Really? He's fighting his right to carry? ABC15.com staff writers need to go back to school for a brush-up in grammar.

Why do the liberals on the retort hate our freedoms? Aren't they the ones that claim we have freedoms because of liberals?

I think they're confused, again.

-Had I known it was an africanus americanus with an assault rifle I'd have called the cops myself

It would be nice to see some gun-packing protestors show at this red-state moron's office.

Georgia Lawmaker Calls For Caning, Executing Marijuana Offenders
blog.norml.org

If enough emotionally fragile idiots carry firearms to political events, eventually there WILL be a shooting incident that could get very very ugly.

Taking a look at the thread, I think it's been made more than abundantly clear who the emotionally fragile are.

I am all for carrying firearms, concealed or open, but with the extremists having shot and killed a doctor, security guard, and police officers within the last few months, the idea of bringing any weapons to a representative townhall or president townhall seems irrational or illogical. Someone stated that "dear politicians that somehow need special protection" needs to take a real big look at the big picture. Who gave you the Constitution, and Bill of Rights? The politicians!Like it or not the politicians need "special protection" from the extremists on both sides. Just as all American citizens need protection from their local police department. If they didn't have "special protection", what would you think would happen, total anarchy and chaos? Maybe more assassination? That comment confirms the need for protection from lunatics. I would have loved to see the reaction if a law-abiding American muslim citizen was seen carrying (AK or handgun) at a Bush protest. Somehow I think the reaction would be totally different and the outcome would be imprisonment...even if it was a squirt gun. Yes, I am a white American. Luckily nothing happened, otherwise there may have been tougher gun laws and you would be complaining about that too. Guns are not toys, have some common sense.

The "gun carrier = small penis" thing is a logical fallacy and also a good indicator that the poster is an idiot with nothing to say on the subject.

Phoenix police said the gun-toters at Monday's event, including the man carrying an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle slung over his shoulder, didn't need permits. No crimes were committed, and no one was arrested.
...

Secret Service spokesman Ed Donovan said armed demonstrators in open-carry states such as Arizona and New Hampshire have little impact on security plans for the president.

"In both cases, the subject was not entering our site or otherwise attempting to," Donovan said. "They were in a designated public viewing area. The main thing to know is that they would not have been allowed inside with a weapon."

news.yahoo.com

Looks like the left is pissing their pants over nothing.

If the secret service doesn't see a problem, then neither do I.

The assault rifle toting black guy is just mad that we have a black man for president!

--DR Left

If the secret service doesn't see a problem, then neither do I.

If the Secret Service will not kowtow to the talking heads who clearly fear for the life of Obama, then they are obvious racists.

"If the secret service doesn't see a problem, then neither do I."

The problem will come when one of these morons violates the law. Armed lawbreakers tend to get shot. Then the rest of the jagovs think the guy was some kind of victim and we'll have to listen to them whine about it. If they could make Koresh into a victim I can only imagine the screeching that will go on once Goober Pyle is shot.

The people with the guns were never near the president... They have the right to carry arms.

I love the way the leftists here are so shocked and outraged....

Probably wishing all the guns could be taken away and dropped into the sea.....

They want to buy the world a coke and teach the world to sing......

The point is... The president was never in any danger and the protest was legal.....

If he had been none of you quivering little bitches would have known it unless CNN was filming from the same window as the potential shooter...

Lock him up for carrying a weapon in such a way that the secret service claims has little impact on security plans for the president! After all, this black man is a racist and hates our black president! And his glorified hunting rifle is extra scray looking!

--DR Left

The crazy people in this country have gone too far, it is time to start reigning these crazy bastards in.

#1 | Posted by danni at 2009-08-17 09:30 PM | Reply | Flag: Self Retorting

Sorry Danni, but you don't have any credibility calling someone crazy.

First, you should try to understand the reason they brough guns, then you may have your opinion. Anything else is ignorance (talking crazy).

#64 | Posted by Libs_R_Below_Me

Great theory at the time of muskets... Now that the Feds can blow up your house from space, its a little different. Your shotgun won't stop tanks.

Futhermore, there were quite a few towns that barred guns while in town over the years; concealed or in the open. You can own the guns but nothing says you can carry them when and where you want. Only recently have we been fixated on the 2nd Amendment.

The people with the guns were never near the president... They have the right to carry arms.
I love the way the leftists here are so shocked and outraged....
#109 | Posted by bashthis

You'd be screaming for them to be put in Gitmo if Bush were still in office. Fox would be running entire hour long segments on why liberal groups want to kill the president.

#109

We realize people with guns wouldn't get close to the president.

What about public safety?????


The people with the guns were never near the president... They have the right to carry arms.
I love the way the leftists here are so shocked and outraged....
#109 | Posted by bashthis

You'd be screaming for them to be put in Gitmo if Bush were still in office. Fox would be running entire hour long segments on why liberal groups want to kill the president.

#113 | Posted by Sycophant

LOL!!!!

Nice try...

You know as well as I do, that this would not even be a story.

There's no "racist" component.

"They are simply reminding our leaders that WE have the power"

Says allot about you,

Its a sad Narrative ---- when your only form of validity or authority comes at the barrel of a gun!

Now that the Feds can blow up your house from space, its a little different. Your shotgun won't stop tanks.

No, that's what the IED is for. Take a look at Iraq and Afghanistan...you don't have to win, you simply have to not lose. The US government still can't win there. Now multiply the guns and terrain by several hundred thousand and the picture starts to become very clear.

"Take a look at Iraq and Afghanistan...you don't have to win, you simply have to not lose. The US government still can't win there. Now multiply the guns and terrain by several hundred thousand and the picture starts to become very clear."

I'm starting to come around to that argument. I used to think, yeah, guns aren't effective against tanks. But they don't need to be. All that is necessary is to make the country ungovernable. A few thousand snipers...


"They are simply reminding our leaders that WE have the power"

Says allot about you,

Its a sad Narrative ---- when your only form of validity or authority comes at the barrel of a gun!

#116 | Posted by Redneckville

I love this!

The Libs are waking up and understand the reality that's unfolding in front of them.

Besides Redneck, that's not what "bringing a gun to a Protest" means.

The real meaning, if you weren't paying attention, is nothing more than "if you don't excercise a right, you deserve to lose it."

This was told to Chris Matthews and if can accept it, I'm sure you can too.

The Libs are waking up and understand the reality that's unfolding in front of them.

The reality that some right wing gun aficionados are overcompensating for something?

"'To me, this is craziness,' he said. 'When you bring a loaded gun, particularly a loaded assault rifle, to any political event, but particularly to one where the president is appearing, you're just making the situation dangerous for everyone.'"

Therefore, the answer is that everyone there should have a gun so that everyone would be safer.

#111

Too funny. Haskell doesn't even understand the meaning of "self-retorting".

from the story
"Paul Helmke, president of the Washington, D.C.-based Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said people should not be allowed to bring guns to events where Obama is.

"To me, this is craziness," he said. "When you bring a loaded gun, particularly a loaded assault rifle, to any political event, but particularly to one where the president is appearing, you're just making the situation dangerous for everyone."

from the story
"AR-15 semi-automatic rifle slung over his shoulder, "

Are these anti-gun nuts to stupid to read a dictionary are are they just trying to scare the idiots who don't know better?
How many times do you think this guy has been told what an assault rifle is? How many times do you think he continued to misuse the term to try and scare people into agreeing with him?


#111

Too funny. Haskell doesn't even understand the meaning of "self-retorting".

#122 | Posted by Danforth

Uh, Danforth, (bless his pointed head)

Danni is crazy...

Using Danni's logic, anyone who is in the extreme of anything is crazy. Danni is extreme on the left...

Therefore, Danni's post was self-retorting.

Please Danforth, you're an idiot. Please. Just because I exposed you as a poser and a troller, doesn't mean you need to stalk and sniper me at every opportunity (or does it).

What about public safety?????

#114 | Posted by Lisa at 2009-08-18 12:27 PM

Take it up with the Arizona state legislature. They're an open carry state. Obama coming to town doesn't change that as much as you'd like it to.

How is the AR-15 not an assault rifle, Gator? Wikipedia calls it one.

It's only a matter of time before one of these people shoots up a political event, either to go after the politician or the crowd. The laws need to be changed so these folks aren't allowed anywhere near a presidential appearance.
Surely Republicans can see the danger here, given the shootings of Reagan, Ford, JFK and RFK.

#38 | POSTED BY RCADE

..and then you will see a serious crack down on liberties associated with firearm usage and ownership.

The debates are about health care NOT the second Amendment and have been heated in recent weeks. This is the time to show common sense and NOT show up sporting your CAR-15 as a ridiculous protest for the 2nd amendment.

..and then you will see a serious crack down on liberties associated with firearm usage and ownership.

The debates are about health care NOT the second Amendment and have been heated in recent weeks. This is the time to show common sense and NOT show up sporting your CAR-15 as a ridiculous protest for the 2nd amendment.

#127 | Posted by Legio at 2009-08-18 01:13 PM

Fair points made without pants pissing or references to penis size. I'm amazed!

"Therefore, Danni's post was self-retorting. "

No, it wasn't.

A self-retorting retort is one where the poster commits the same offense they are accusing others of committing. Classic examples include:

"Your a moron"

"Not to bright, are you?"

"You're a scum-sucking piece of shit for calling someone a name"

See how that works?

"How is the AR-15 not an assault rifle, Gator? Wikipedia calls it one."

No it does not. It is the semi-automatic civilian version of the m-16 assault rifle.

wiki says this about assault rifles
firearm must have at least the following characteristics to be considered an assault rifle:[2][3][4]

* It must be an individual weapon with provision to fire from the shoulder (i.e. a buttstock);
* It must be capable of selective fire;
* It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle;
* Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable box magazine.

en.wikipedia.org

That is the definition of an assault rifle.
The semi-auto AR-15 is not now nor ever has been an assault rifle.

Sorry should have linked to the wiki article about the ar 15 as well.

en.wikipedia.org

There ya be.

#97 Sully> One of these people needs to get an ass kicking and a long jail sentence.

For doing something that is perfectly legal??! Not only did he not threaten the President, but the Secret Service acted as if it was no big deal. At least now we know what you, and others, think about a Constitutional Right.

S> And anyone who doesn't learn from the example should get the same.

So you are advocating illegal actions against a law-abiding citizen just to keep like-minded folks in line? Hello, did you learn anything from the Civil Rights movement or the Jim Crow laws??

S> The rest will jump up and down about their "rights" but they won't show up to any more events. Most of them are just grandstanders trying to impress fellow idiots.

Could you imagine a large number (say 100k or more) of armed folks protesting in the streets of any large metropolitan area? I don't think it is likely now but if the government (regardless of party) keeps ignoring the people, the odds would favor it in the future.

You'd be screaming for them to be put in Gitmo if Bush were still in office. Fox would be running entire hour long segments on why liberal groups want to kill the president.

That is B. S. Like I said... They were not breaking the law....

Dude.... There are 100,000,000 guns in the U.S.

You better get used to that fact....

Go hide under your bed if you are so worried...

Just Don't put words in my mouth though.

You leftists are the biggest bunch of Quivering Sissies I ever saw....

You didn't hear me qivering like a bitch when that nut job Cindy was camped out near Bush's house in Texas.... Now that woman was nuts! Yea Crazy like a Fox!

Not in the news today though... Hey why isn't she protesting the war in Iraq anymore? How about the war in afghanistan... That OK with her now too?

Seems a lib run war is good to go with her...

Hey Cindy you whaco... There is still a war on..... Come on out and Play you loud mouth lying lib... No adgenda these days? No more ax to grind?

What a total waste of time she was.... And all you idiots were on here cheering her on..... she used you and made plenty of money off of your simpathy... You stupid retards! hey Cindy........ Can you share some of your ill gotten money with your leftist friends on the DR?

Probably not!

The semi-auto AR-15 is not now nor ever has been an assault rifle.

Your definition is extremely technical and relies on more knowledge of guns than millions of Americans ever want to obtain. I know gun people get worked up when something is called an "assault rifle" that doesn't meet some technical criteria, but I don't think that definition has gotten very far with the general public.

You on the Left are nothing more than fake!

Everything about you is a lie....

You will say anything to advance your edgenda.....

Hey... Can any of you idiots here that were screaming about Bush blowing up the WTC tell me why Obama isn't hot on that mans trail.......

When are they going to arrest Bush for 9/11?

You were all so sure he did it.....

Where are the police? Where is Obama? Was he involved too?

How about Mrs. Obama....... Did she hold the match?

I know gun people get worked up when something is called an "assault rifle" that doesn't meet some technical criteria, but I don't think that definition has gotten very far with the general public.

The term assault rifle is used to conjure up fear that is not associated with semi-automatic rifle. It hasn't gotten very far with the general public because it doesn't follow the "guns are scary" mantra that the sinister term "assault rifle" is more than happy to provide.

"Hello, did you learn anything from the Civil Rights movement or the Jim Crow laws??"

Yeah, that weapons toting rednecks need to put in their place by our governmment because they can't be trusted to act decently. What did you learn? LOL.

"Could you imagine a large number (say 100k or more) of armed folks protesting in the streets of any large metropolitan area?"

No, city people only walk around with guns when they plan on using them.

#131 Rcade> Your definition is extremely technical and relies on more knowledge of guns than millions of Americans ever want to obtain.

Extremely technical? He gave you the definition that the MILITARY uses to define an assault rifle. It is also the definition used in the 1934 National Firearms Act (NFA) to define what is and isn't a machinegun (ie more than one round fired per pull of the trigger).

R> I know gun people get worked up when something is called an "assault rifle" that doesn't meet some technical criteria, but I don't think that definition has gotten very far with the general public.

Could it be that is caused by countless anti-gun politicians holding up some black-plastic-stocked rifle and proclaiming it a tool of satan himself? All the while they moan about the lethality of such firearms, or how so many cops get killed by them, or how they are the 'weapons of choice' by gangbangers, or 'nobody needs one to go hunting', or how they 'spray' bullets like a waterhose, etc? All the while knowing that all such things are LIES? And that those LIES will likely be carried verbatim as the truth by most media outlets?

Gosh, do you think there might be an AGENDA there?? Here are a few facts: Clinton's "Assault Weapon" ban (note the quotation marks) did nothing to fight violent crime. When it and the "high capacity magazine" ban sunsetted, it had no affect on crime stats. Now individuals in the Obama administration are talking about how good it would be to bring back the AW ban and make it permanent.

Why would they do that?

Rcade you are such a fem......

The AR-15 is or can be qualified as an assault rifle... It can hold a 30 round clip of .223 amo.... You can empty a clip semi auto in about 20 seconds....

But..... The gun is legal in all fifty states.....

None of the people at this protest broke the law.... Stop acting soooooooooo scared about it all.... You probably don't realy give a damn any way...

Only 1% of the population are criminals.....

Simple math... There are about 300 million people in the US... 1% are crooks.... 1 million are in jail.... That leaves 2 million crooks walking the streets....

So we have 98 million guns in the hands of the good people who dont normally commit crimes.... And two million guns in the hands of the crooks.....

Even if all hell were to break loose..... Bad guys lose big and messy........

Just watch where you step and don't get any on ya.

#134 Sully> Yeah, that weapons toting rednecks need to put in their place by our governmment because they can't be trusted to act decently. What did you learn? LOL.

I learned from studying history that many early 'gun control' laws were designed to disarm blacks. Nothing ruins a good KKK cross-burning like a black pastor with a shotgun.

AKAT> "Could you imagine a large number (say 100k or more) of armed folks protesting in the streets of any large metropolitan area?"

S> No, city people only walk around with guns when they plan on using them.

So tell me why large metro areas like DFW have a large percentage of the population with carry permits yet the incident of shootings by such folks is extremely low. Methinks thy brush is far too wide...

"relies on more knowledge of guns than millions of Americans ever want to obtain"

The statement in question was from the president of the brady campaign. You would think he would know a few basic facts. I have a feeling he knows them all to well. This purposeful misrepresentation designed to cause fear is my problem is. I could care less if who does not know the difference makes a mistake, but this i a deliberate attempt to scare people and i don't like that.

Not to pick on you but i do find your "extremely technical" comment pretty funny. There are four criteria, not too difficult.

But if you will excuse me i have another extremely technical task to preform, time to tap a kidney.

Plenty of semi-autos here every month.

www.austinrifleclub.org|90|89|92|93|94|88

www.brrc.org

A friend of mine is DCM national champion in M1 Garand.

Look! A girl shooting a gun! Help!
www.douglasridge.org

www.m1arifles.com

I got it for hunting pigs.

"The AR-15 is or can be qualified as an assault rifle... It can hold a 30 round clip of .223 amo.... You can empty a clip semi auto in about 20 seconds.... "

First, like i said before, the semi-auto ar-15 does not qualify as an assault rifle. You may be thinking of the Clinton ban "assault weapon" title. SEE BELOW

Second, if it takes you 20 seconds to get thirty rounds off you got a problem assuming no failure to feed or extract.

Assault weapon refers to firearms that had been developed from earlier fully-automatic firearms into semi-automatic civilian-legal versions. Semi-automatic firearms, when fired, automatically extract the spent casing and load the next round into the chamber, ready to fire again; they do not fire automatically like a machine gun, rather, only 1 round is fired with each trigger pull.

By former U.S. law, the legal term assault weapon included certain specific semi-automatic firearm models by name (e.g., Colt AR-15, TEC-9, all non-automatic AK-47s, and Uzis) and other semi-automatic firearms because they possess a minimum set of features from the following list of features:
A semi-automatic AK-47 rifle.
An Intratec TEC-DC9 with 32-round magazine; a semi-automatic pistol formerly classified as an Assault Weapon under Federal Law.

Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:

* Folding or telescoping stock
* Pistol grip
* Bayonet mount
* Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
* Grenade launcher (more precisely, a muzzle device which enables the launching or firing of rifle grenades)

Semi-automatic pistols with detachable magazines and two or more of the following:

* Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip
* Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or suppressor
* Barrel shroud that can be used as a hand-hold
* Unloaded weight of 50 oz (1.4 kg) or more
* A semi-automatic version of an automatic firearm

Semi-automatic shotguns with two or more of the following:

* Folding or telescoping stock
* Pistol grip
* Fixed capacity of more than 5 rounds
* Detachable magazine

The earlier term assault rifle refers to rifles that are capable of fully automatic fire. In contrast, the term "assault weapon" refers to weapons capable of semi-automatic fire that had those certain features, as listed above. The ban did not cover "assault rifles", but merely the new category of "assault weapons" which did not include automatic firearms of any type.

From wiki

Your definition is extremely technical and relies on more knowledge of guns than millions of Americans ever want to obtain. I know gun people get worked up when something is called an "assault rifle" that doesn't meet some technical criteria, but I don't think that definition has gotten very far with the general public.

#131 | Posted by rcade at 2009-08-18 02:28 PM

Wow, never thought I'd see RCade endorse dishonest fear tactics.

As I said, it's a technical distinction. A gun control campaigner ought to know the difference, but the general public is not all that conversant with the 1934 National Firearms Act.

Wow, never thought I'd see RCade endorse dishonest fear tactics.

I asked a question. Wikipedia appeared to describe the AR-15 as an assault rifle. I'm not endorsing confusion; I'm just describing it. The message that a gun like the AR-15 is not an assault rifle seems to be limited to gun enthusiasts.

"As I said, it's a technical distinction."

So is a car VS a truck.

Or h20 and h2so4.

The public can only be educated if there is correct information given to them.

Sal.... We don't need that much info.... And... I can empty a thirty round clip a lot faster than 20 seconds.....

Now you're gonna scare the hell out of Rcade......

I can also put ten rounds from two seperate clips in a five inch group at three hundred yards....

At least I could on Paris Island in 1980.......

After that place spray and prey seemed to be in style

#142 Salamandagator> Semi-automatic firearms, when fired, automatically extract the spent casing and load the next round into the chamber, ready to fire again; they do not fire automatically like a machine gun, rather, only 1 round is fired with each trigger pull.

And to add to this, semi-auto firearms have been around for well over 100 years. Nothing new about them. But some folks on the gun ban side seem to think semi-auto firearms are a new invention and should be banned. Here is the wikipedia entry on one of my favorites, the Broomhandle Mauser (first made in 1896!):

en.wikipedia.org

I still remember many news outlets showing video of full-auto sub/machineguns and acting as if that is what the 'assault weapon' ban was all about. It had everything to do with their agenda and nothing to do with the facts.

The faster their guns can shoot, the more manly they are. Didn't you know that, Rogers?

Of course, their wives tell a different story about their quick shooting.

Sal.... We don't need that much info.... And... I can empty a thirty round clip a lot faster than 20 seconds.....

Now you're gonna scare the hell out of Rcade......

I can also put ten rounds from two seperate clips in a five inch group at three hundred yards....

#147 | Posted by bashthis at 2009-08-18 03:05 PM

I think you technically meant to say magazine there instead of clip.

The faster their guns can shoot, the more manly they are. Didn't you know that, Rogers?

What's that all over your face?

As I sat here and read the linked story, the thought occurred to me what if I had thrown my favorite M14 over my shoulder and showed up at some event George the Lesser was speaking at? How long do you think it would have taken for the SS to have had me handcuffed to a table in some room and working their magic browbeating me into making some incriminating statement? If I'd shown up at some BuchCo function with a loaded firearem and a "time to water the tree of liberty" sign, I would have been on the next plane for Gitmo most ricky-tick.

But its now a second amendment "right" to carry a firearm at a Presidential political function? Be very careful of what you wish for.

The faster their guns can shoot, the more manly they are. Didn't you know that, Rogers?

There's more manliness being emitted from this discussion than the bean-eating scene in Blazing Saddles.

-the bean-eating scene in Blazing Saddles.

lmao! Yes, and it smells about the same, too.

"If I'd shown up at some BuchCo function with a loaded firearem and a "time to water the tree of liberty" sign, I would have been on the next plane for Gitmo most ricky-tick."

Think that all you want, it does not make it true.

What's that all over your face?

#151 | Posted by IraqiBukkake

You don't want to know.

"Yes, and it smells about the same, too."

Wait for it...

Wait for it...

Ahhhhh

Don't worry it'll get to you.

How long do you think it would have taken for the SS to have had me handcuffed to a table in some room and working their magic browbeating me into making some incriminating statement?

#152 | Posted by dutch46 at 2009-08-18 03:17 PM

Did the SS function differently under Bush or something?

Obama's SS doesn't seem to see a problem with this.

#152 Dutch46> But its now a second amendment "right" to carry a firearm at a Presidential political function? Be very careful of what you wish for.

I have no problem with the Secret Service setting up an exclusion zone INSIDE an event where the President (current one or any previous ones) is speaking. This posted article is a red herring because the armed person(s) were not inside, not trying to get inside, nor doing anything criminal whatsoever. It seems to be greatly blown out of proportion.

However, it has provided a handy vehicle for us pro-gun-rights types to provide factual info to those on the left, the right, and the unwashed folks in the middle. (smiley here)

I think you technically meant to say magazine there instead of clip.

No I said clip... I don't call walls bulkheads or floors decks either.... It's called a 30 clip where I come from.

Bukkake Boy already knows, as that's what I ask him all the time.

I guess I cold type mag faster then clip... Would that make you happy there techno gun freak?

No I said clip... I don't call walls bulkheads or floors decks either.... It's called a 30 clip where I come from.

#160 | Posted by bashthis at 2009-08-18 03:22 PM

Were you firing an M1? I didn't know they had the option of 30 round clips.

-the bean-eating scene in Blazing Saddles.

Women never talk about farts but it's sure a favorite topic of conversation among guys.

Go figure.

"techno gun freak"

www.youtube.com

Yo Live.... Don't tell me my business... I was firing m-16s full auto long before most of the idiots in this blog knew where to find their dicks.... USMC 4 years.

here is a link to buy 30 round mags for an ar15 or m16

www.brownells.com

Option for 30 round mags my ass....

It's just a longer clip! Bananna! You Mut!

In the 1980s we called them Bananna clips because that is what our fathers called them and out fathers served in Korea with M-1 Carbines and the like... My dad was on the BAR.

Miss ya daddy-o

...Miss ya daddy-o

Posted by bashthis at 2009-08-18 03:47

I''ll bet you really do miss your Dad, bashthis.

I know I sure miss mine. And God do I wish he was here now more than ever. Hard sometimes when you have to handle everything on your own.

You Mut!

#167 | Posted by bashthis at 2009-08-18 03:36 PM

Bwahaha! How'd I know you'd get all upset over the "clip" vs "magazine" debate?

This is stupid.

Bashthis --

A little BAR history you might enjoy watching --

Bashthis --

A little BAR history you might enjoy watching --

Bashthis

sorry, not only screwed up with the double posts but dropped the link!

BAR HISTORY

Bwahaha

What is that the mark of a retard? You were the one who made an issue of it. Then you stated that you didn't know they had a 30 round "Option" on the AR-15.....

You have no idea what the hell you are talking about.....

And I am not getting upset.... I am laughing at you

Go back to your video games now.... They won't need you again until 2012.... Vote for Obama again... I like the White House being run like a sit com.... Kids.......

I'm calling it a day if this link doesn't work.

History of Browning Automatic Rifle

You Go Cal Chris...

www.youtube.com

Thanks, bashthis.

Looks like I need "Google Chrome" to get youtube to work on that particular video. Evidently youtube is phasing out some of the older browsers. Saw your video link, though. Great!

They are simply reminding our leaders that WE have the power.

#71 | Posted by Libs_R_Below_Me at 2009-08-18 10:15 AM | Reply | Flag

You have no power---the man with the gun had no power---he kept his gun because the government LET him keep his gun. You have the rights the government let's you have---nothing more--if tomorrow the government decided you have no rights and you should die--guess what....

I am no gun nut... I don't own one... But watching that thing go off like that is cool.

Buffalo Bob has a point... But thare are 100,000,000 guns out there... Thats a lot to takith away...

Not possible without a huge shoot out.....

Buffalo Bob has a point...

But you can't really see it when his hat is on.

#179 BBob> You have no power---the man with the gun had no power---he kept his gun because the government LET him keep his gun. You have the rights the government let's you have---nothing more--if tomorrow the government decided you have no rights and you should die--guess what....

Bob has been given many quotes and links to what the Founding Fathers said about rights ... and where they come from. He has ignored all attempts to update his views, so I'd have to agree with Goatman's #182 post.

FTA: In both cases, the subject was not entering our site or otherwise attempting to," Donovan said. "They were in a designated public viewing area. The main thing to know is that they would not have been allowed inside with a weapon."

Representatives of the National Rifle Association did not return calls for comment.

Why would they?

Their work was done.

This story actually has Spud feeling a little conflicted.

On the one hand a lot of these protesters are the result of carefully crafted fear mongering from forces within both the republican party and the NRA.

"Obama's gonna take our guns?!!!

Well, we'll show him! Harumph!"

Problems here are two, as Spud sees it.

First, and most obviously, guys with guns and limited self control in a mob-like enviroment are prone to emotional over-reactions which could potentially turn lethal in a heartbeat.

Second, the optics are gawd awful just as they are supposed to be.

"Obama popular? Are you kidding? They are coming armed to his events now!" kinda thing.

All this fomented fear and furor is occuring despite the fact that Obama hasn't moved on "gun control" at all.

Tsk tsk.

K, but here's the conflicting thing.

These protesters are, essentially, right to demonstrate their right to bear arms openly as public protest is a birthright in any functioning democracy.

They are breaking no laws and so forth no violence has ensued.

As long as the events go off without any violence it actually goes to demonstrate that the sane, responsible, licensed gun owners are not the real problem.

America is a country founded in a revolution that ackowleged that sometimes governments become tyranical and thus a balance of powers were established that would prevent that.

And those powers *are* becoming dangerously unbalanced.

"A people shouldn't be afraid of their own government.

A government should be afraid of it's own people"

Not advocating or predicting violence just speaking some truisms here is all.

Be Well.

so forth = so far

Be Well.

#183 | Posted by AKat

Boob feels powerless and doesn't understand why everyone else doesn't feel the same way. His frustration and anger most likely stem from being left by himself a lot as a child. Either that or his boyfriend left him with the cat and the credit card bills.

#184 | Posted by dethspud

WOW!.....Gulp.....I agree, .....?

post 184....

Again stating the obvious..... Anything new?

Think Not

What is that the mark of a retard? You were the one who made an issue of it. Then you stated that you didn't know they had a 30 round "Option" on the AR-15.....

You have no idea what the hell you are talking about.....

And I am not getting upset.... I am laughing at you

Go back to your video games now.... They won't need you again until 2012.... Vote for Obama again... I like the White House being run like a sit com.... Kids.......

#175 | Posted by bashthis at 2009-08-18 04:02 PM

Holy fucking shit this post was retarded. The 30 round thing was in reference to the M1; ie. Were you firing an M1?

Also, I didn't vote Obama.

The mark of a retard is not being able to comprehend what another is posting and suggesting that they vote Obama when they didn't.

Consider yourself both trolled and stupid.

#184 | Posted by dethspud at 2009-08-18 04:42 PM | Reply | Flag: Good Post
DethSpud proves that you don't have to be a republican or conservative to support gun ownership rights.

These turds can claim what they like, but it's obvious that it's only being done to show that they want the President dead.

It has NOTHING to do with their 'Freedom'. These turds never brought guns to Bush rallies.

Did anyone use the guns in a dangerous or irresponsible way? Were there any laws broken? Was anyone in any danger? I believe the answer is NO to all three of those questions. Just like those who dislike free speach, those who hate guns aren't required to like it.

You'se HillBilly Y'allers who hate America, our President and our Government are all as deranged and guilty as Ted K (UniBomber), McVeigh (Oklahoma bomber) and are fully Un-American..!!

The CIVIL War is over HillBillys!!!
Y'all Lost so get over it!

America is NOT moving backwards to the 1800's where y'all loved it!

____ Solution _______

STOP TRYING TO CHANGE AMERICA and MOVE to the RepubliCON Paradise!

Brochure to SOMALIA:

No Govt, No Taxes, No Laws, No Regulations, No Social programs, No Healthcare - You can Steal, Loot, Enslave, Torture, Kill (and then pretend to be Christians on Sunday) all you want and all the time..!!!
-> a NeoCon's wet dream....

So Republitarded! and yet so Near... - DRB

Gunner,, Get back on your meds.

Gunner? Think maybe you should watch the caffine intake?

Deep slow breath, sweetie!

Oh great...he's spamming the site.

typical Lush LimpBong "jesus juice" drinkers

* attack the messenger
* ignore the message, facts and reality
* accuse your victim of having your own faults (drug addiction)

Leave anything out of the Lush guide you "bought" from a man with zero credentials, zero political or economical education, experience, positions and who is actually a prop comic??
(the "prop" being lies, of course. Suckers)!!!

Gunner aka Dirtyrightboy,

Your posts are simply painful on the eye.

WAY too much caps and bold.

By comparison I find Johnson's posts to be therapuetic.

THAT'S who that is????

Hmmmmmm

Jarvis, need to (text) yell at these Hee Haws like a preacher so they can imagine it that way while reading

No matter, due to being trained like a house-pet by LushBong; the content and reality gets immediately deflected, rejected, filtered, and still falls on deaf ears (eyes)....

The black guy with the Ak47 seemed pretty mellow.

I don't own a gun and 2nd Amendment rights are sacrosanct.

They can't come into the building packing heat--obviously.

Maybe they should extend a "Gun Free Zone" to the parking lot of any said building.

I'm pretty sure that the right has rushed head first into a carefully laid trap on this one. The White House keeps repeating the same thing they have been saying all along, they won't stop saying "bipartisan." On the other side you've got these dickless gung ho fucks showing up with their cocks strapped to their side, republicans publicly proclaiming that they are not even going to vote for the bill even after they ruin it, threats of violence from Glenn Beck and Joe the fat kid's dad, and on and on and on. I don't think it's going to be much longer before Obama simply points out that you people can not be negotiated with and the Democrats push their own bill through without you.

NOGOV4ME---Exactly.

The semi-auto AR-15 is not now nor ever has been an assault rifle.

#127 | Posted by salamandagator

mr.. in 2 hours, a military receiver, better barrel and a few easily obtained tools I can have a selective fire small arms assault rifle with a CAR-15

I cant do that with a shotgun, bolt action 7mm or a lever action .44.

Its an assault rifle.

I'm pretty sure that the right has rushed head first into a carefully laid trap on this one. The White House keeps repeating the same thing they have been saying all along, they won't stop saying "bipartisan." On the other side you've got these dickless gung ho fucks showing up with their cocks strapped to their side, republicans publicly proclaiming that they are not even going to vote for the bill even after they ruin it, threats of violence from Glenn Beck and Joe the fat kid's dad, and on and on and on. I don't think it's going to be much longer before Obama simply points out that you people can not be negotiated with and the Democrats push their own bill through without you.

#202 | Posted by NoGov4Me

yep..

And it will be the one the right doesn't like.

oh well.. stupid is as stupid does.

District of Columbia v. Heller, 128 S.Ct. 2783 (2008) ruled that "[t]he Second Amendment protects an INDIVIDUAL right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home" and "that the District's ban on handgun possession in the home violates the Second Amendment, as does its prohibition against rendering any lawful firearm in the home operable for the purpose of immediate self-defense." LIBS R BELOW

Was this the case where Scalia stated that he didn't know what "a well regulated malitia" meant so it could be ignored? That was some damn fine legislating from the bench.

As you may have gathered from some of my comments on here, I'm a liberal - even a bit of a socialist.

As long as the people carrying aren't actually a threat to the President, or actually making a threat, they are within their rights to bear arms.

Besides, if I go to an event, I might want to carry just in case one of the right-wing loonies got out of hand.

Why can any wingnut carry a rifle around, but I'm not allowed to own (not carry just own) a switchblade? Where's my 2nd amendment right?

"Why can any wingnut carry a rifle around, but I'm not allowed to own (not carry just own) a switchblade? Where's my 2nd amendment right?"

That's an automatic.

Apply for a class 3 license.

Where's my 2nd amendment right?

#208 | Posted by AndyB62 at 2009-08-18 10:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

You didn't get the memo on the new 2nd amendment? It now means:

Individuals have the right to keep and bear arms, but such right may be infringed as the government sees fit.

You have the right the government sees fit to give you.

"Surely Republicans can see the danger here, given the shootings of Reagan, Ford, JFK and RFK"

yea but republicans want america to fail

"You didn't get the memo on the new 2nd amendment? It now means:

Individuals have the right to keep and bear arms, but such right may be infringed as the government sees fit."

That's better than your ideal scenario, which is zero private gun ownership rights.

You advocate people train to be car antenna wielding Ninja's instead.

" mr.. in 2 hours, a military receiver, better barrel and a few easily obtained tools I can have a selective fire small arms assault rifle with a CAR-15

I cant do that with a shotgun, bolt action 7mm or a lever action .44."

First, the receiver is the gun or at least that is what the batf says so by swapping it you are not modifying the ar you are modifying the m16 you took it from. Second you can also modify the internals of plenty of semi auto hunting rifles to function as full auto, would that make this an assult rifle?
astorarms.ca

No i did not think so. You can also modify a 1911 to fire full auto and put a butt stock on it is that an assault rifle?

So yes by breaking laws you can change many semi autos to full but that is not the issue. I can also build a flame thrower in a couple of hours does that make pvc a flame thrower? I could melt down pennies and make a knife out of them does that mean pennies are knives?
Your poor logic only serves to betray your lack of understanding the concept.

Bottom line, the government, including does not consider it an assault rife. Do you think your anti gun pamphlets are a better source? Do you think that your contrived definition would hold any water in court or do you think mine, the official, would?

If guns are such a bad thing why the hell do all the anti-gun nuts need to lie to make them scarier?

What is the big deal?

It's simply a statement of state rights.

Yeah, some states actually have some rights left.

Ain't that a bitch.

Dang it now you got me started.

Hang on

So answer me this all you anti gun nazi's; what is is about a little inanimate mechanical object? I just can't understand the mentality that places blame on the tool rather then the person. Explain to me how that makes any sense. regardless of weather or not someone has a gun they can and will kill people.

My advise to you is this, go buy a cheap gun and take it apart. Look at how it is just a bunch of little pieces, do those little pieces scare you? It may just lead to an understanding that a gun is a tool the one who wields it is the one that can kill. And hey, worst case scenario for you is that you can sleep more soundly knowing that you took a gun away from a law abiding citizen.

Let me take a stab at this.

Why don't you give children in a kindergarten class guns? Maybe show a nice action movie with a lot of ka-pow, bang-bang, ratatatatat going on. Have fun!

The guns won't kill anyone on their own!

Now zoom out a bit.

How many of these 2nd amendment answer to health care morons are talking and behaving like children? Retarded ones, at that?

Should such fools be allowed to hold dangerous things?

"How many of these 2nd amendment answer to health care morons are talking and behaving like children? Retarded ones, at that?"

I see, "i disagree so they are retarded."

Nice

"Why don't you give children in a kindergarten class guns? "

Ahhh, i see so because we don't give them to children it is the gun that are bad. Do you extend that to alcohol? to cars? to credit cards? to hotel rooms? to r- rated movies? to voting?

I guess it does not matter either way you argument is asinine.

Actually I'm surprised he was allowed to protest without penalty.Seriously I can't imagine it during the Bush administration.

"Seriously I can't imagine it during the Bush administration."

What will happen when this imaginary boogyman bubble bursts? It's gonna get messy when reality collides with the twisted show you live in.

What will happen when this imaginary boogyman bubble bursts? It's gonna get messy when reality collides with the twisted show you live in.

Huh?

I guess it does not matter either way you argument is asinine.

Nah, you're personally 'retarded' for so many other reasons. Believing that people should carry guns at political events is just icing on the cake.

Conservatives in America are the most selfless of people. After all, they'll do ANY kind of harm to themselves, so long as they can believe that they're harming others.

Where are the 'well regulated militias' the 2nd Amendment was intended to advocate?

"Huh?"

Your unsupported statement shows your lack of reality when it comes to bush.

" Believing that people should carry guns at political events is just icing on the cake."

Why not "believing that people should be able to exercise the 1st amendment at political events s just icing on the cake"?

Why does it matter where it is?
Do people not gather anywhere else?
Are there no tensions on any other occasions?

"Where are the 'well regulated militias' the 2nd Amendment was intended to advocate?"

I will assume that is sarcasm. Or are people really that illiterate?

So answer me this all you anti gun nazi's

I'm armed

What will happen when this imaginary boogyman bubble bursts? It's gonna get messy when reality collides with the twisted show you live in.

What does that mean?

Years ago (pre 9/11)I walked into the phx airport with a shotgun and a pistol,checked it in at the counter nobody batted an eye.Your unsupported statement shows your lack of reality when it comes to bush

gimme a break.
you argument is asinine.

"What does that mean?"

That means simply that the projection that placed on bush is that of an imaginary villain who does not exist.

Can you find instance of a man persecuted for bringing a gun to a bush event?

I thought not.

So your statement is a product of your mind and your mind only.

get it now?

Whatever.
My argument is asinine

It's gonna get messy when reality collides with the twisted show you live in.

Guess you don't know what that means either

#204 Legio> mr.. in 2 hours, a military receiver, better barrel and a few easily obtained tools I can have a selective fire small arms assault rifle with a CAR-15

If somebody could make a shotgun or a full-auto Sten with some pipe, sheet metal and a decent metal working shop, would you also say that those parts are a "machine gun"?

L> I cant do that with a shotgun, bolt action 7mm or a lever action .44.

Some older shotguns can be converted to full-auto pretty easily. I'm thinking Winchester but I might be wrong (it's been a while since I heard the details). I think it was a minor mod that made the the firing pin stick forward so it would go full-auto until the supply of shells is exhausted.

L> Its an assault rifle.

This reminds me of one of my favorite Abe Lincoln stories. Abe was talking to someone who disagreed with him and asked them, "If you call a lamb's tail a leg, how many legs does it have?" The opponent said, "Five." "No," said Lincoln, "it will only have four. Just because you call it a leg does not make it a leg."

A couple wears two "No Bush" T-Shirts to a Bush Rally and gets arrested.

12 people pack guns to an Obama Rally with no apparent consequence, although I have trouble believing they were admitted.

This is an old legal trick. Accuse the other side of what you're doing, rendering the ensuing debate to a "he said, she said" marathon. Meanwhile, continue the pillaging and plundering, it is after all, just good business.

Bush/Cheney are the American counterpart to the Nazis Party. Starting wars for no reason, pulling the "Patriot Act" out of a hat, attacking opposing members of Congress with Anthrax, invoking torture as an official Government strategy, using Federal Prosecutors for politicial partisan purposes, arresting peaceful dissenters on trumped up charges, continuing Hitlers attack on gays (while harboring one), invoking devine providence......invoking violence against socialism and Democrats.....

Gingrich, Limbaugh, Savage and my favorite Bachmann all use the tactics of Nazis. It has become a Rethuglican tradition.

Wow,

What a twisted web gun-control supporters twist.

Reversion to tu quoque and ad hominem and tossing in a little Alinsky #5,8,9,12 (too bad they violate Al #2!) and a using other logical fallacies to actually AVOID the issue of the Rights recognized (not granted) by the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution. Emotion, not logic or reason.

So typical. And so invalid. Perhaps they just need some therapy for their rabid holophobia.

#230 Nutcase> Starting wars for no reason

Some of the dozens of quotes on the same subject: "I share the administration's goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction."
-Dick Gephardt in Sept of 2002

"The debate over Iraq is not about politics. It is about national security. It should be clear that our national security requires Congress to send a clear message to Iraq and the world: America is united in its determination to eliminate forever the threat of Iraq'w weapons of mass destruction."
-John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

If you're going to blame Bush/Cheney, save plenty of run for all the Dems/Repubs that supported it too.

N> Bush/Cheney are the American counterpart to the Nazis Party.

If you know the definition of 'fascism', which party (or parties) is supporting the same thing in America? I'm honest enough to see that much of what Obama is doing is simply a supersized version of what Bush 2 was doing.

#232 "If you're going to blame Bush/Cheney, save plenty of _run_ for all the Dems/Repubs that support it too."

Replace "run" with "blame". Sorry!

akat,

yes and no

Bush/Cheney are pure class warfare, Corporatism against human rights.

Obama is more like a wolf in sheep's clothing, providing a kindler gentler rhetoric, while doing many of the same things. In this sense I agree with you. But it is also clear that the Democrats, including Obama, have in mind to provide better conditions for working people than Rethuglicans want. That hasn't translated into any substantial changes so far.

Rethuglicans never complained when Bush/Cheney led the war. They repeat a disciplined collection of bullshit. Democrats are all over the map, incapable of negotiating towards a useful result.

The connection between the two parties is they are both beholding to Wall Street, who is fucking everyone in the ass. A planned demolition, begun by the Rethguglicans, and still in progress under the Democrats.

It is all a fake from the Leftist trash:

The Death Threat Sign Was A Plant

The MEDIA waits a week before announcing that this UNKNOWN person was just 'questioned' and released ... although the SS was described as having him in custody .... for a WEEK!

Obama plant - and now you know that the president is responsible for blatant lies and conspiracy!

Socialist agitators ...

That's "Fascist Agitators." (*sigh* face palm)

Obama & Co want the gov't to run and control industry (health, auto, banking for starters) and that's what we see as the current result of their actions.

Let's at least accuse them of the right atrocities against our nation.

Daprof

Obama has no interest in running auto and banking industries, and his current health plan has little government influence. I guess you forget---or were maybe too young to remember the Savings and Loan problems of the late 80's.

Here's what happened. Savings and loans made a lot of bad loans to homowner--sound familiar? they were about to really mess up the economy, when the government stepped in and bought them all up. The government took care of all the bad paper and sold them back to private owners. That is what Obama is doing with the auto and banking industries. Such action saved the jobs and homes of millions of Americans, and when Obama has the auto and banking industries back in black, they will be sold to private citizens again.

Do you think we would be better off if Obama had let the auto industry go bankrupt and out of business? How about the banks? In your opinion, should Obama have let them fail---and take all the business and citizens money with them as they close their doors? Where does YOUR company bank? How about if they closed their doors and took allyour companies money with them? Would you think Obamas plan was good then?

You know as well as I do, that this would not even be a story.
There's no "racist" component.
#112 | Posted by Eddie at 2009-08-18 12:28 PM

Eddie, you idiot. Bush had people arrested if they wore anti-Bush t-shirts at his rallies. These people get to walk around with guns screaming about Hitler and Socialism. Freedom and Respect for the Constitution; change you can believe in straight from Obama. Smile idiot, you can express your stupidity free under this President.

And I was wrong. If they showed up at Bush rally with guns screaming about how Bush was evil, they would probably be shot on site by the Bush thugs rather than arrested and sent to Gitmo.

Bush had people arrested if they wore anti-Bush t-shirts at his rallies.

They were not arrested, but they were made to leave and forbidden from hearing their President speak...over a tee shirt.

They were not arrested, but they were made to leave and forbidden from hearing their President speak...over a tee shirt.

#239 | Posted by kanrei

They most certainly were arrested.

www.firstamendmentcenter.org

I sadly stand corrected. That is beyond disgusting.

The secret service needs to keep these crazies outside the buildings the president speaks in and put armed ploice officers standing next to them. The may have the right to pack but the secret service protects the president at any and all circumstances.

People who disturb the peace at these rallies should be arrested for disturbing the peace. These rallies were paid for by citizens to hear rational discussion---not to hear a lot of booooos. The people who simply want to boooo should be arrested and fined for disorderly conduct, or disturbing the peace.

My God!!

How do we stop the Health Care Zombies??

These people's mind's have been eaten up by nothing less than 30 years of propaganda.

I can almost hear what is going on in what is left of their minds:

NO NEW TAXES
MUST CARRY A HANDGUN TO BE SAFE
NO NEW TAXES
ALL ABORTION IS BAD
NO NEW TAXES
ALL SOCIAL PROGRAMS ARE BAD
LET THE FILTHY BE RICH
NO NEW TAXES
THERE ARE TERRORISTS UNDER EVERY ROCK
I NEED TO CARRY A GUN TO BE SAFE
NO NEW TAXES
CUBA IS WORSE THAN HELL
SOCIALISM IS WORSE THAN HELL
OUR SYSTEM OF LETTING THE FILTHY RICH HAVE EVERYTHING IS BEST
NO NEW TAXES
ETC...

Ahh as opposed to what is going on in the obama supporters mind?

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ECT...

Dang ya'll dudemeysters!!! Thems fellers dones had them some purdy guns. And I jest loves me them guns when they's all big and long and hard and black. Them gun fellers done had them sum purdy mouths two. Some of them fellers had some reel big ole guns and them fellers and they's purdy mouths maded me all ryled reicht on ups. Them fellers and they's purdy mouths be so dang purdy over to them town hall meatups. I bets them fellers likes them long, thick hard ciggarrs jest likes Al-Rushboo and his jiggly purdy mouth with them their ciggarrs. Them lebberalls and sochallests be saiding that thems fellers with thems purdy, black, long, sexay guns ain't got no kinds of penises cuz thems needs to carrys them big guns to feels likes they all cool and sexay likes Al-Rushboo and it be meen to makes funs of thems fellers cuz thems penuses ain't so big cuz thems lebberalls and sochallests don't know nothing cuz thems hurt thems gun fellers feelins cuz ain't all folk can has them a large penus likes the ciggarss that be ups in Al-Rushboo's sexay jiggly mouth and thems ciggarrs be so long and hard and thicks and sexay on ups their in Al-Rushboo's purdy mouth. So you lebberalls and sochallests best quits bein means to them guns fellers and stops making amuserments abouth thems small penuses. SMALL PENUS GUN FELLERS TO THE TOWN HALL MEATUPS!!! WHITE POWERS BIG SEXAY GUNS OVER TO THE TEEE PARTAYS!!!

I'll bet there wasn't one armed robbery at that gathering!

Noteworthy is that no one was hurt by those guns - unlike the Town Hall where Obama supporters beat up a man. Seems that liberal union thugs are much more dangerous than guns in the hands of conservatives.

Hey tinyelvis, those are the kind of fantasies you should probably keep to your self.

i'd rather be loaded:

www.tworiverscanoe.com

than fried:

www.orangeusd.k12.ca.us

#249 | Posted by salamandagator at 2009-08-19 05:32 PM | Reply | Flag: Reads TinyElvis

"Flag: Reads TinyElvis"

So I assume you read the author before the post?

"bring it on"

'Dead or alive"

"not with us, you're aginst us"

nothing to see here folks, move along....

W. made this the norm...

#246 TinyElvis> Dang ya'll dudemeysters!!! Thems fellers dones had them some purdy guns. And I jest loves me them guns when they's all .....

[long, ignorant rant deleted]

Translation: I have nothing of substance to say, I cannot refute the Constitutional issue of gun ownership, nor the commonsense idea of self-defense and have no rebuttal to all the states that passed 'shall-issue' ccw laws and saw their crime rates drop (exactly opposite of what the hysterical anti-gun folks predicted).

#246 TinyElvis> Dang ya'll dudemeysters!!! Thems fellers dones had them some purdy guns. And I jest loves me them guns when they's all .....

[long, ignorant rant deleted]

Translation: I have nothing of substance to say, I cannot refute the Constitutional issue of gun ownership, nor the commonsense idea of self-defense and have no rebuttal to all the states that passed 'shall-issue' ccw laws and saw their crime rates drop (exactly opposite of what the hysterical anti-gun folks predicted).

#254 | Posted by AKat at 2009-08-20 12:34 PM | Reply | Flag: Ain't gots no sexay gun

That their AKAT just be wantin to rebutts me butt I ain't never been butted cept when that their feller slapped me and tooked my long, sexay gun and done had is way wit me. Dang dudemeysters, that feller done slapped me and done snatched up my sexay gun cuz my long, thick, hard, sexay ciggarr done falled reicht on out of my mouthhole. Then that their feller done said he goona be rubuttalling me and that maded me feel reicht all sweety and jiggly likes Al-Rushboo and that sexxay Karls Roove. Well, that rebutting ain't no kinds of funs at all ifn'n them fellers slaps you with yer fun and you ups and bites yer long, thick, hard sexay ciggarr reicht in two. So if'n ya;ll purdy mouth fellers done has you's sexay guns ya'll best hides them their guns cuz them feller be cumming reicht on ups and slappin you and ruinning you's ciggarr and snatchin up you's gun and makings you rebutted and all sweety and jiggly. And them gun snatchin fellers don't gots no small penusses and thems rebuttings ain't so nices. So ya'll fellers hides you sexay guns from them fellers and don't lets thems rebutts ya'll or makes jiggly with yours purdy mouths.

#255 TinyElvis> That their AKAT just be wantin to rebutts me butt I ain't never been ...

Here is the program that runs Tiny Elvis's brain (I'm assuming he/she/it has one):

10 Spot a topic
20 Spout drivel
30 If Response == TRUE goto 20
40 Execute Bong.prg
50 END

Dang AKAT, you needs you's a purdymouth gun to feels reicht on ups their with them purdy mouth gun fellers over to them Town Hall Meatup and than you kin gits you a ciggarr and some Oxys and Jesus Juices to gets feeling reicht on ups their with Al-Rushboo (Mega Dildoos!). AKAT TO THEM TOWN HALL GUN PURDRY MOUTH MEATHUPS!!!

The whole thing was setup beforehand (by those carrying firearms) and they had the Phoenix PD act as escorts!

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