Because rightwingers are so willing to engage in intelligent dialogue. Especially with those they disagree with.

The realization has dawned on me that most wingnuts would experience an increase in their IQ if they went a full lobotomy.

the senator does not care what the average person thinks he knows he can keep his seat no mater what he does as as long as his cuacuas votes for him hes got a good chance of being relected

Specter is just a lying lib who hasn't read the non-existent bill anyway so who would want to listen to his bullshit anyway. I am looking forward to the shout-down re-runs on Fox to remind us all of how stupid these dems are. Did Specter have that typical dem "deer in the headlights look?"

I thought he handled it pretty well. He only answered the questions as to what he supports and not what's in the bill.

ooooh the big bad heckler "shouted" at the corrupt piece of shit politician who has so much integrity he switches teams when the votes are on the other side.

You dems look REALLY REALLY bad trying to defend your criminal political scum against these elderly Americans.

keep it up!

FOX NEWS, covered only 1/2 of Presidents Obamas Health Townhouse meeting. I guess they felt that since Obama was answering the questions an no one was yelling or spitting at him there was no News there. Expect that clown at Specter Meeting to be on Fox News sometime tonight it seems that everyone that has made an ASS of themselves at these meetings has a place of honor on the show at FOX.

Saw the Specter town meeting. This "heckler" instance was just a brief moment in an otherwise classic example of good old USA political give and take.

The headline implies the whole meeting was ruined by boneheaded idiots. Your headline is a misleading LIE. But, I'm sure MSNBC's Matthews, Brownshirt Obermann, etc. will lead with your above video. Showing video snippets that supports their biased points of view is their specialty.

The left doesn't get it. People are mad. And...SURPRISE SURPRISE...They are not stupid, either.

The headline implies the whole meeting was ruined by boneheaded idiots. Your headline is a misleading LIE.

Did a heckler disrupt the meeting? Yes. Was the video played all over the place? Yes. Is the headline true? Yes. I don't see what your beef is.

The heckler must be semi-retarded. I hope he got what he deserved off camera.

Oh please,
this is so mild compared to what happened in the last administration.

GTFoI.

"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." --> Hillary Clinton, 2003

This guy is total fucking nuts..

"Did a heckler disrupt the meeting? Yes. Was the video played all over the place? Yes. Is the headline true? Yes. I don't see what your beef is."

I get these ironic thrills when Democrats defend Republicans!

Of course, Specter was a Democrat, before he was a Republican, and may become a Democrat, again to get elected.

I think it 'independent' to note that when Bush, or some other hated 'neocon' was booed and heckled, it was 'deserved' and certainly a matter of free speech.

When police removed such free speech expressionists, Democrats cried: NAZI!

Now, Democrats cheer the brave police for removing HATE SPEECH ...

You Democrats sure are progressive hypocrites, of that there is no doubt.

you hard core lefties -
again -

are CLEARLY going to be damaged by being on the wrong side on this one

if you want HC "reform" (i.e. hostile takeover of healthcare funding by the chicago crime syndicate), that is fine.

But to take the stance that these people are an angry mob hired by insurance co.s is going to bite your asses in mid terms

keep up the good werk.

shooting yourself in the foot is HARD WERK!

isn't it, lefties ????

now I have to leave before the corkster shows up to try and flirt with me

The left doesn't get it. People are mad. And...SURPRISE SURPRISE...They are not stupid, either.

#7 | Posted by 3853177z

Yeah ..and those for health care are starting to get REAL pissed at the fuckers that are again trying to hamper a possible solution to higher premium rates and less coverage. The same protesters are already covered by medicare/medicaid and are attempting to deny it to the rest of us..

and yes they ARE stupid. If you think you are going to be able to keep YOUR fucking medicare benefits and the rest can't have health insurance at all.. think again. AGAIN the boomer righties are fucking it all up for the rest of america..

Republican corporate Tools: Blah Blah Blah....

Democratic Nation: Get Bent, Tools.

the man wanted to speak. he spoke. and the issue is? Also, let me tell you what an idiot you are. If as you say, the chicago crime syndicate was involved the room would be very very quiet. Sort of says you are a blow hard idiot, doesnt it. Where is Sarah the genetic disaster, who cant understand the truth and cant read?

I get these ironic thrills when Democrats defend Republicans!

I'm not defending Specter. I want the Democrats to nominate a real Democrat in the next primary and send him packing. I'm defending reality. A heckler disrupted the meeting.

HOW can the left defend the plan, which they have not proposed as of yet? With 4 bills pending, some not out of committee so they are unknowns, it's funny.

We started out with the promise to insure the uninsured. Now it's about reforming health insurance companies. SOoooooo how is that going to be paid for?

These 'evil' insurance CEO's are in the target sights of the left. How can anyone 'keep' their insurance, if the zero is out to get them????

#16 | Posted by Georgeisadrunk

I dont understand your post, George....It seems a bit loosley put together as if you are perhaps not very focussed right now.

Hey George -

Hang in there, brother -
higher power, man.

what part do you not understand? stay calm and i will explain it to you slowly and more clearly

One minute the zero says he wants a 'spirited debate'. The next he says "But I don't want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess. I don't mind cleaning up after them, but don't do a lot of talking."

If it's impossible to defend the plan, because it hasn't been proposed yet, it must be equally impossible to attack it, and just silly to froth at the mouth over it, as some appear willing to do.

What am I missing?

dave, buddy, you need to slow down and breathe regularly. His comment about the ones that made the mess, deals with the economy. It was not a health care comment. You are mixing the 2, sort of doing a stupid sarah on us.

You are mixing the 2............

#24 | Posted by Georgeisadrunk

Trust George on this one.

He is a fuckin mixologist

Bottoms up, kiddo.

still cant follow? you must be one of those born again conservatives that has your pastor spalin it to you.

still cant follow?

Post history indicates comprehension will not improve.

So then george, what did he mean by saying

"Fed X and UPS are fine, it's the US Postal service that's always having problems"

How can anyone 'keep' their insurance, if the zero is out to get them????

#19 | Posted by DavetheWave

Dave hits the heart of the fraud being perpetrated by the deconstructionists.

" nationalized healthcare will not eliminate the private option" is the biggest lie by a POTUS in decades,

just look at the simple math.

corporations will be hit with taxes to pay for illegal Pedros wife's 10th pregnancy...so the same corporations will have to stop helping pay for millions of Americans' private insurance.

why must we entertain this obama foolishness.

it's insulting

The zero says ".. if you do have health insurance, we will make sure that no insurance company or government bureaucrat gets between you and the care you need."

But then he wants to ridicule those evil CEO's. The two statements are diametrically opposed!!!

Maybe Rahm emanual's brother can run them?

Or Ron Gettelfinger

Hey roper " deconstructionists" is a code word used on by racists!

on-only

"Cadenhead uses a yellow background, which implies that Drudge is a yellow journalist."

"Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs"

Rogers says, "I'm not defending Specter ... I'm defending reality. A heckler disrupted the meeting."

Actually, Cadenhead's site is the yellow-journalistic attempt, and while The Drudge Report seems much more balanced. After all, it isn't Drudge's effort to exaggerate his site, like the Drudge Retort, into being for a specific party, and dedicated to the radical zealots, therein.

Your interest is to give the radicals, here, a chance to twist and spin these incidents into being "Mob" action and "Hate Speech." Indeed, when Bush and other Republicans were being heckled and not allowed to speak, this site's zealots cheered that at your 'healine' direction, and called it well deserved and that it was free speech to shut the nazi warmongers the fuck up!

Your version of 'hate speech' has it both ways, because it is all the same 'red meat' for the dogs ... and your mealymouthed denials and statements of 'fact' protect your two-faces from any responsibility for their actions ...

You're a high horse mounted 'king' with invisible but glorious raiment ...

That candy-ass sounds like he was about to cry.

Boo-Hoo!!!

dave, try not to be so bitter. Herr Bush is still walking around. And Gonzales even finally got a job

Actually, Cadenhead's site is the yellow-journalistic attempt

No one is forcing you to post here.

we now have the good americans who agree with obama and the evil americans who disagree with obama

Specter is just a lying lib who hasn't read the non-existent bill anyway so who would want to listen to his bullshit anyway. I am looking forward to the shout-down re-runs on Fox to remind us all of how stupid these dems are. Did Specter have that typical dem "deer in the headlights look?"

#3 | Posted by fwthom at 2009-08-11 05:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

'Non-existent bill'??

You mean the one in which Republicans now have over 140 provisions...AND THEN VOTED AGAINST IT?

As for the shout down, I guess that you enjoy others not being able to hear what their elected leaders had to say. But then again, you're only for democracy when the clown has an 'R' after it's name.

"Evil Americans who disagree with Obama..."

The screamers at the town hall meetings? I don't think they're evil. I sincerely think many are drunk or stoned.

Many of them exude the false bravery of persons who act-out purely because they're convinced no one will care to beat them up.

"corporations will be hit with taxes to pay for illegal Pedros wife's 10th pregnancy...so the same corporations will have to stop helping pay for millions of Americans' private insurance."

The poor corporations who outsource American jobs, my heart bleeds for them. The one's who don't will save big $$$ if we finally get health care reform, don't you care about them??? They are the one's that really do create jobs and they will be able to create more if they aren't being ripped off by insurance companies.

As someone above posted, if anyone really thought there was a Chicago mob associated with Obama, town hall meetings would be a shade more polite.

He reiterated his determination that the plan be paid for without adding to the nation's soaring deficit.

bullshit on top of more bullshit.

Alex says, "No one is forcing you to post here."

I'll try a Rogers, "I didn't say anyone was forcing me to post here. It is just a fact that I post here. I can't figure out what you are getting at?"

The left doesn't get it. People are mad. And...SURPRISE SURPRISE...They are not stupid, either.

LOL you mean the ones pissed over "death panels," rationing, loss of "choice" and a slew of other issues that aren't really issues based on what I've read? You mean the ones who are pissed over the things Hannity et al is telling them to be pissed about?

Yes, most people are stupid.

Once again, Jon Stewart shows the hypocrsiy of the right and proves that the rightards LOVES THEM SOME GLENN BECK!!!!

So danni these 'evil insurance' companies. tell us how you feel. Do you insure your home against fire/loss/hurricnaes?

Do you insure your car against accidents. Do you insure your family against liability?

How does that 'evil' insurance work? WHY do you have ANY insurance????????

The dr left, as dumb as the day is long.

It's called 'pools' of insured. The 'experience' of the who pool pays for those who are sick, or whose houses burn down, or those who face frivilious law suits.

I suppose you are for eliminating the no pre-conditions clause for health policies.

DOES THAT MEAN ONE DOES NOT NEED TO BUY INSURANCE UNTIL THEY ARE SICK????

FOX HYPOCRISY EXPOSED (YET AGAIN) AT 4:30:

while The Drudge Report seems much more balanced. After all, it isn't Drudge's effort to exaggerate his site, like the Drudge Retort, into being for a specific party, and dedicated to the radical zealots, therein.

I'd give you a ff if I thought you were kidding.

Sadly, you're not.

See the anger here? The total lack of discussion. The dis-honest hate filled tirade of the left??

The poor corporations who outsource American jobs, my heart bleeds for them. The one's who don't will save big $$$ if we finally get health care reform, don't you care about them??? They are the one's that really do create jobs and they will be able to create more if they aren't being ripped off by insurance companies.

#43 | Posted by danni

So the public, which supports medicare +, is downed out by paid marketing. The public's interest is buried by special interests that don't care.

Failed state.

Name us ONE for profit company you respect danni, or crawl back into your left only town hall meetings

I challenge you danni to answer my questions about your insurance coverage dudette

"Heckler Disrupts Specter Town Hall"

One of SanAnRogue's Nazi's?

I can't believe that some of you are equating this poor guy to a Brown Shirt.

"I suppose you are for eliminating the no pre-conditions clause for health policies."

Actually, I'm in favor of House Bill 676, Medicare for all.

But in answer to your question, yes the "no existing pre-condition" rule does need to be eliminated. I didn't ask these insurance companies to go into business and I don't ask them to bribe Congress into saving their businesses for them. FAct is American, even those with pre-existing conditions need health care. If the insurance companies don't want to take the bad with the good then they shouldn't be our primary way of insuring people. As you say, "It's called 'pools' of insured" better know as "risk pools" do need to be large to make the risk for the "insurer" less on average for each customer but as the insurance companies want us to operate, and think about this, they get to only insure the health and young while the taxpayer gets to insure the ill and the elderly.
The insurance company takes only the risk pool that is profitable for them and dumps any customers who become less so. That is a stupid, inefficient method of insuring people. EVeryone should be in one, giant risk pool like Medicare, that way the young and healthy through their contributions will be sharing the risk of the elderly and ill and thereby bring down the cost for all. The system we have now is the most expensive, most wasteful, most unfair and through times of unemployment, etc. is the one most likely to throw people into bankruptcy because of an illness or accident.

There DAVETHEWAVE is your answer. I hope you could manage to read all of it but I doubt you would even consider the thoughts expressed.

Despite this man's apparent mental deficiency and inartful way of expressing himself, I'd say it's about time someone stood up and told a Congressman that regular people are sick of being treated like shit in favor of those who can afford to buy our politicians. You'd think lefties would support such a statement - but since it came at the expense of 2 extra minutes Specter could have had to sell the health plan, they make fun of the man.

#10 - Nice that Hillary agrees that we have a right to debate and disagree. I wonder why Pelosi and Hoyer do not?

One of SanAnRogue's Nazi's?

You got your ass handed to you for being a liar and absolutely incapable of understanding the point. SanAntonio quoted and attributed the remark to O'Reilly - and made his point quite clearly.

You, not content with being ridiculed for being incredibly stupid now bring your own idiocy to this thread to lie about SanAntonio?

He really burned you and got under your skin. You've made that abundantly clear.

Bravo to Specter for handling it appropriately. He let the man talk!

Awesome.

#61 - Nicely done.

You got your ass handed to you for being a liar and absolutely incapable of understanding the point. SanAntonio quoted and attributed the remark to O'Reilly - and made his point quite clearly.
#60 | Posted by YAV

She was making that point in on the "Town Halls become Town Brawls" Thread, remember?

Why would she be making a point about Nazi Brown Shirts disrupting political meetings on a thread that talked about old people disrupting political meetings?

BTW, Yav, when was I a Liar?

He really burned you and got under your skin. You've made that abundantly clear.

#60 | Posted by YAV

Exactly, she got under my skin. You Libs, especially the Pelosi types are really beginning to piss me off by saying that the actions of these poor old folks is un-American! Geez! Aren't you getting a little worried that the Democrat Leadership in this country is slipping?

Think about it!

Do you get a chubby when you call a male poster "she", Eddie? Do you giggle like the 10 year old you obviously are as you type it?

That's pretty much the last refuge of those with no valid point who can't even keep their stories straight. "Hey, maybe if I call him 'she', everyone will forget what an idiot I made of myself again, and think I'm real smart."

"Exactly, she got under my skin. You Libs, especially the Pelosi types are really beginning to piss me off by saying that the actions of these poor old folks is un-American!"

Heckling and brawling are un-American. Speaking your mind freely in a respectful and courteous fashion is what's American.

Democracy was supposed to be a leveling up, not a leveling down.

Stop Obamacare. Stop those lying conniving scumbag Dems any way. Out.

How did this guy get past the Union thugs?
Perhaps he had a card.

Yet Obama says he wants to remove all the falsehoods being thrown around. How much bigger do the lies get Mr. President?

President Obama's "Senior" Moment?

President Obama today suggested that the health care reform legislation for which he's pushing has been endorsed by the American Association of Retired Person.

"We have the AARP on board because they know this is a good deal for our seniors," the president said.

At another point he said: "Well, first of all, another myth that we've been hearing about is this notion that somehow we're going to be cutting your Medicare benefits. We are not. AARP would not be endorsing a bill if it was undermining Medicare, okay?"

The problem?

The AARP hasn't endorsed any plan yet.

Actually, I'm in favor of House Bill 676, Medicare for all.

But in answer to your question, yes the "no existing pre-condition" rule does need to be eliminated. I didn't ask these insurance companies to go into business and I don't ask them to bribe Congress into saving their businesses for them. FAct is American, even those with pre-existing conditions need health care. If the insurance companies don't want to take the bad with the good then they shouldn't be our primary way of insuring people. As you say, "It's called 'pools' of insured" better know as "risk pools" do need to be large to make the risk for the "insurer" less on average for each customer but as the insurance companies want us to operate, and think about this, they get to only insure the health and young while the taxpayer gets to insure the ill and the elderly.
The insurance company takes only the risk pool that is profitable for them and dumps any customers who become less so. That is a stupid, inefficient method of insuring people. EVeryone should be in one, giant risk pool like Medicare, that way the young and healthy through their contributions will be sharing the risk of the elderly and ill and thereby bring down the cost for all. The system we have now is the most expensive, most wasteful, most unfair and through times of unemployment, etc. is the one most likely to throw people into bankruptcy because of an illness or accident

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Thanks for having a cognizant line of thought.

Too bad the democrats are just as bought.

Your #71 had some really good points, Shawn.

You have to hand it to the insurance companies and their astroturf groups. They have done a remarkable job of confusing those very members of the public who could benefit most from a public option.

"They have done a remarkable job of confusing those very members of the public who could benefit most from a public option."

What about members of Congress? Are they just as confused and benefitting?

Do you get a chubby when you call a male poster "she", Eddie?
#66 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

No, really, I thought you were female. I thought I reember some conversation months ago that led me to believe that. I must be wrong. Or are you just playing around again, you little minx.

From my reading, the average Joe and Jane Six pack would have more comprehensive and less expensive health insurance under a public option.

#75 | Posted by Eddie

Bullshit.

He kinda sounded like Chris Farley and the guy who was "living in a van down by the river."

Heckling and brawling are un-American. Speaking your mind freely in a respectful and courteous fashion is what's American.

How about everyone stops trying to stake claim to what is really American. Disagreement is fine. Being so loud and obnoxious about your disagreement that you drown out everything and everyone else around you is not fine. It's rude, counter productive and extremely narcissistic.

It's a basic courtesy thing.

"Too bad the democrats are just as bought."

Not all of them, some like Kucinich are still giving it their best shot. If average Americans would start getting as loud for HB676 and the protesters are at the town hall meetings we could still make a difference. Unlikely yes, but if enough folks for once stopped being complacent or cynical and started emailing and calling we could effect enough Congressmen to just get the CBO to runa cost analysis which would prove that the bill is the cheapest, best way to insure all.

Bwahahahaha, couldn't happen to a better bag of shit.

The left wing fops crying about protestors are the same lowlifes that suckled at Cindy Sheehags poisoned teats.

I wonder, how do you scum keep a straight face when you type your laughable drivel?

I challenged you to tell us if you were insured, and why. You wimped out!!

We can all see what a little mind you have danni

I can't figure out what you are getting at?"

#46 | Posted by tadowe at 2009-08-11 06:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

You bitch and moan about this place and the people who post here.

If you don't like it, remember that NO ONE is forcing you to post. If the folks here bother you that much, FO.

The insurance company takes only the risk pool that is profitable for them and dumps any customers who become less so. That is a stupid, inefficient method of insuring people.

You know nothing, and you prove it daily. There's proof!

Hey, when did Alex start stalking Tad again?

The left wing fops crying about protestors are the same lowlifes that suckled at Cindy Sheehags poisoned teats.

I wonder, how do you scum keep a straight face when you type your laughable drivel?

#82 | Posted by r_zeitgeist

Toss up between a FF and a Sadly Ironic Flag.

The left wing fops crying about protestors are the same lowlifes that suckled at Cindy Sheehags poisoned teats.

Sheehan didn't come to a presidential event with a gun. Sheehan didn't beat up or shout down people. She was escorted out in most cases simply for having a political SHIRT. I think Cindy is nuts, but she didn't get violent.

These teabaggers, birthers, town hall loons have been given a WIDE berth to act like hooligans compared to the "free speech zones" the left got during W's reign.

Hey, when did Alex start stalking Tad again?

#86 | Posted by r_zeitgeist

Oh come on. Tadly references Alex in ever 3rd or 4th post.

I'm going to start cracking you in the mouth Sanantonio, you might want to rethink.

sanantonio- gee, you noticed?

I repeat, rex...

The left wing protests against bush didn't involve handguns, or legions of radio/tv personalities drumming up 'revolution' talk or references to jefferson and the 'tree of liberty'.

Even the looniest left wingers of the W era have nothing on these violent mouth breathing cretins and their MAINSTREAM MEDIA enablers(beck, rush, hannity, savage, Taitz, ect)

Listen Assholes, look at posting #6, I told you that the people at FOX would give this people a forum, Hannity did not disapprove had this ignorant BITCH on his show, with her Husband Conservative Republicans with a BITCH, You lost the Election, you did not like the results so FUCK OFF!!!!!!!!!!!

#81 | Posted by celisary at 2009-08-11 09:09

Celisary, I know no one who hates FOX more than you do nor do I know of anyone who watches FOX more than you. LOL

What is Alex trolling about tonight?

I'm going to start cracking you in the mouth Sanantonio, you might want to rethink.

#90 | Posted by r_zeitgeist

Remind me again later when you sober up, and I'll consider quaking in my boots.

What is Alex trolling about tonight?

#93 | Posted by jackass at 2009-08-11 09:49 PM | Reply | Flag:Trolling

Dumb and dumber are here, and I've got shit to do in the real world. Adios.

Even the looniest left wingers of the W era have nothing on these violent mouth breathing cretins and their MAINSTREAM MEDIA enablers(beck, rush, hannity, savage, Taitz, ect)

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The brownshirts are out in force..

As soon as you and your boyfriend get out of the shower, I'll verbally kick your teeth out sweetie.

Uh huh.

Alex, it's ok to be a moron, but don't be a fucking moron.

Seems the memory of the left wing is as short as Husseins after a Rev. Racist sermon.

No one is swallow the pizzle, well, no one but Sanatonio.....(and that is a different story)

Ooh, now you're just being mean. You're a mean drunk, Zeitie.

"You know nothing, and you prove it daily. There's proof!"

YOu ask me to answer your question. I do. You don't refute my answer (because you can't) and just call names like always. Any idiot can call names, in fact, usually it is the idiots who do.

"You know nothing, and you prove it daily. There's proof!"

YOu ask me to answer your question. I do. You don't refute my answer (because you can't) and just call names like always. Any idiot can call names, in fact, usually it is the idiots who do.

So, name callers are 'idiots'.

What a compelling case you make Danni.

BTW, what was that dream sequence that you and truthhurts had about Hussein's man meat?

I can see Sanantonio having that convo, but you?

I stepped in a fresh Specter this morning. And my neighbor was a Specter after I put my stink foot up his cowardly ass. Don't know if this relates to the coward, but thought I'd share.

"What a compelling case you make Danni."

Sure better than the one you don't make.

Now you are imagining some obscene dream sequence....you're a sad little man.

"I stepped in a fresh Specter this morning."

I make sure and clean up my Specter when Maddie leaves me a prize. Which by her look is soon and as usual I am late for her walk.

You should eat what Maddie leaves you. That is all you deserve.

Actually not that little, I have some irish in me too....

Me and Hussein be packing da' big meat.

You and Truthy can chew on that later. (figuratively)

Ray, with your fringe theories on everything from economics to medicine to cosmology, you're about as in touch with reality as the crazy guy on the street corner yelling "the end is near"!

Precisely my point.

You should eat what Maddie leaves you. That is all you deserve.

#107 | Posted by jackass

Say's the unemployeed Shit Salesman with free samples in his mouth.

Say's the unemployeed Shit Salesman with free samples in his mouth.

Now, now. It's all part of Jacks wealth distribution scheme. I am the rich bank and Maddie is the lowly, poor peon and jackass is the shit...

Ray, with your fringe theories on everything from economics to medicine to cosmology, you're about as in touch with reality as the crazy guy on the street corner yelling "the end is near"!
Precisely my point.
#109 | Posted by Ray at 2009-08-11 10:28 PM | Reply | Flag: unintentional revelation?

Say's the unemployeed Shit Salesman with free samples in his mouth.

#110 | Posted by wisgod

So says wiscoward the biggest coward in all of wisconsin.

OK..I do not understand how the "Government Option" will 1)Save money 2) provide coverage for the poor.

As it stands today 1/2 of those uninsured CHOOSE this because they are Young, or Rich, or just happen to be between jobs and coverage (so statistically they are marked as uninsured)...so are we going to FORCE these people to buy insurance? If they get sick and see a doctor they are paying straight out of their own pockets..so that does not "save" us anything.

1/3 are under the poverty level...they are currently eligible for Free Clinics, various programs include SCHIP which a significant portion have not signed up for even though they can get the coverage. They are in poverty primarily because they are not working. There is all these comments that they are taxing the system and so we have to make them get coverage.

But they are NOT WORKING - NO MONEY. So...even if we create this "Government option" they will just be covered by the rest of us (like they are now) and not paying anything...you can't get blood out of a rock.

There is the small group in the middle about 1/6th - That would take coverage if it was cheaper...but that could be addressed just by allowing insurance companies do National plans and not have to file in every state.

There are plans but some are just too lazy to go do the research.

So...where is all this "Savings"? Where is the big benefit?

To pay for this "benefit" they are proposing to take 500B AWAY from Medicare - which is underwater now...and everyone is finding it harder and harder to get to a doctor as they only want to take a limited number due to the lack of funds.

So..The poor will not be paying...the ones we can force to pay are paying now..and the few in the middle will not benefit that much.

Not all of them, some like Kucinich are still giving it their best shot. If average Americans would start getting as loud for HB676 and the protesters are at the town hall meetings we could still make a difference. Unlikely yes, but if enough folks for once stopped being complacent or cynical and started emailing and calling we could effect enough Congressmen to just get the CBO to runa cost analysis which would prove that the bill is the cheapest, best way to insure all.

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Kucinich is a congressman too. So is ron paul.

Average americans aren't really even in the debate.

Ask them if they like socialism: they say no.

Ask them if they like the american military: they say yes.

Ask them if they like government health care: they say no.

Ask them if they want medicare when they get old: they say yes.

#57 | Posted by danni

Why not have all the high risk pre-existing condition folks get wheeled into the system.

They have to be insured and pay the premium but have them on a wheel to be accepted by the next carrier in line.

They do it for car insurance they can it for health insurance.

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As for the 'heckler'--this guy was p.o.'d and Spector handled it fine.

Claire had her little tiff today with a couple of people who were taken out of the TH meeting. Looks like it was a squabble between a couple of blacks gals and a old white guy. There were escorted out.

What is truly amazing is that Code Pink and others yell and heckle in the CONGRESSIONAL hearings. They get escorted out as well.

But no one calls them or their behavior nazi or un-American.

One idiot referred these folks as Timothy McVeighs!!

Actually, Cadenhead's site is the yellow-journalistic attempt, and while The Drudge Report seems much more balanced..

#35 | Posted by tadowe

balanced... on a site that is as far right as they come..and you can't even post on..

FF for you

i haven't read the entire article. I watched video.

what i would have liked, and this seems to illustrate an "out of touch" problem with at least Senators:

Spector should or have had to play "referee" but as he stood there seeing this average citizen almost brought to tears... he should have asked and even helped this man make whatever SPECIFIC he would like to make about some, any, SPECIFIC issue -- i mean besides some general or perceived anti-gov emotional rant.

he should helped him speak to some particular issue and asked his suggestion or desired action.

if THEN the citizen remains inarticulate, fine , but then have him sit back down if he wishes to listen to someone who might.

this OK, OK shit that's democracy is pathetic, even corrupt for lack of a better term. how about: stupid.

McCaskill (sp?) was worse.

Massa did a great [handling] job!

I want the Democrats to nominate a real Democrat in the next primary and send him packing.
a' the F'k 'men.

No danni as usual of the dr left, you suffer from selective reading.

I challenged you to tell us if you had insurance...on your car, house, liability, and health...and to tell us why?

You did not. Your response, some strange ramblings against evil corporations.

Now gather up your wits, and try. Or else forever admit you are just a hater!!!!!

So says wiscoward the biggest coward in all of wisconsin.

#113 | Posted by jackass

Haha. Go wax a few cars, Daniel-san.

How about the woman who said, "I don't want to live in a socialized country". Sounds like she has nothing to worry about.

"if THEN the citizen remains inarticulate, fine , but then have him sit back down if he wishes to listen to someone who might."

Specter clearly said he is not paid to be there or has any obligation to attend. Yet he can't understand why a crowd of concerned citizens would be upset at that remark? These fucking pampered Senators, are so used to being brown nosed and praised that they are clueless when criticized.

A heckler disrupted the meeting.

#18 | Posted by rcade at 2009-08-11 06:16 PM

As Specter put it, a "demonstration of Democracy." Seems the left doesn't like that when it questions The One.

God forbid a Senator have to stand face to face with an unhappy citizen.

He was facing a lot of unhappy citizens. But unlike the heckler, they waited in line and didn't throw a childish tantrum. The guy was ranting like an idiot. All he accomplished was to make people on his side of this debate look bad.

-All he accomplished was to make people on his side of this debate look bad.

Which is perzactly why this sort of disruption is likely to backfire, as the real local constuents who want more info can easily see what the tactic is, and end up blaming the loud mouths and their industry backers.

Does anybody here have a problem with the idea of the man in the white shirt who grabbed this gentleman to surpress his speech? That part doesnt seem to be in some versions of this video

It Will Be OK

We're coming

"But somehow liberals have drifted into a strange servility toward big government, which they revere as a godlike foster father-mother who can dispense all bounty and magically heal all ills. The ethical collapse of the left was nowhere more evident than in the near total silence of liberal media and Web sites at the Obama administration's outrageous solicitation to private citizens to report unacceptable "casual conversations" to the White House. If Republicans had done this, there would have been an angry explosion by Democrats from coast to coast."

Camille Paglia

We're coming

That has to be the most unintelligent tag line since "Bring it on."

Kucinich is a congressman too. So is ron paul.

Ask them if they like socialism: they say no.

Ask them if they like the american military: they say yes.

Ask them if they like government health care: they say no.

Ask them if they want medicare when they get old: they say yes.

#114 | Posted by Shawn

Actually, if you asked a Paul supporter those questions

Ask them if they like the american military: they say yes, but in a defense capacity only. We could cut the military to 1/3 its size, bring them all home and have a better defense than any other nation in the history of man.

Ask them if they like government health care: they say no.

Ask them if they want medicare when they get old: they say no.

Ask them if they like socialism: they say no. And then you say "You don't even know what Socialism means!" LOL

FOX NEWS, covered only 1/2 of Presidents Obamas Health Townhouse meeting. I guess they felt that since Obama was answering the questions an no one was yelling or spitting at him there was no News there. Expect that clown at Specter Meeting to be on Fox News sometime tonight it seems that everyone that has made an ASS of themselves at these meetings has a place of honor on the show at FOX.

#6 | Posted by celisary
YOU MEAN OBAMAS choreographed propaganda charade?

Expect that clown at Specter Meeting
#6 | Posted by celisary

I'm glad to see that you've downgraded from Nazi to clown.

Bottom line, the guy CALLED Specter's office and tried to speak with him. He was promised that he would be able to speak.

The number one screwup that the Democrats are doing at their meetings is coming with a list of talking points and information and not allowing enough time for people to speak.

I think, if they were smart, they'd allow people to speak first and foremost for at least 2 hours. Then come out and give the information about the bill. People will not listen to a word you have to say if they're pissed off!

www.youtube.com

#133 | Posted by reinsurelaw

Best line:
Obama: "I don't want people thinking I have a bunch of plants in here".

Are you kidding?

How come all of the other townhalls were far different?

#10 | POSTED BY DAPROF
"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." --> Hillary Clinton, 2003"

Okay, DAPROF, tell us what your problem is with this quote?

On the other hand, let's look at what the heckler said:
"This man is trampling on my rights!"
When no such "trampling" has occurred. The guy was being a drama queen. As they all are.

"One day God's gonna stand before you, and he's gonna judge you, and the rest of your damn cronies on the Hill, and then you will get your just desserts."

So, now God has taken sides in the health care reform debate? REALLY? Can this guy come across as more of an idiot?

That's right up there with the crocodile-teared woman squawking "I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!"

And an honorable mention must go to FWTHOM, who claims Specter "hasn't read the non-existent bill"......tell us something, FW, how does one read a non-existent bill?

And the LEFT is looking stupid???

There's no problem with asking questions, sharing concerns or disagreeing. However, shouting people down because you don't like what they have to say is not American. The Jerry Springer Show has better behaved audiences.

What's the matter danni, cat got your tongue?

While your own your high horse, tell us who the villians are in 'mutual' insurance companies!!! Like all the blue cross blue shield companies!

Those greedy fuckin 'insureds' have some balls charging YOU so they can sleep at night.

Get a clue you clueless hater!