Recent polling by Zogby in May demonstrated that a majority of Americans, say it "makes sense to tax and regulate" marijuana. The Zogby poll, commissioned by the conservative-oriented O'Leary Report, found 52 percent in favor of legalization, only 37 percent opposed. As Ryan Grim reports on the Huffington Post , a previous ABC News/Washington Post poll found 46 percent in support. In California, a Field Poll found 56 percent backing legalization and as a result California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger called for an open debate on legalization, all which suggest that American society may be reaching a tipping point when it comes to legal pot.

State's Rights from the Leftcoast!?!

Will wonders never cease?

Will reefer madness ever cease?

Will airports have pot rooms, or will pot smokers be unnecessarily exposed to second-hand tobacco smoke in the regular smoking rooms?

Smells like a lawsuit

Will reefer madness ever cease?

How did you get that pic of me, Chris?

Will airports have pot rooms, or will pot smokers be unnecessarily exposed to second-hand tobacco smoke in the regular smoking rooms?

Smells like a lawsuit

#4 | Posted by vernon

You know, Vernon, if you would put down the bottle and pick up the bong, you might cease to be a retarded old fuck.

How did you get that pic of me, Chris?

#6 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-08-08 08:49 PM

LOL That movie was a riot.

"You know, Vernon, if you would put down the bottle and pick up the bong, you might cease to be a retarded old fuck."

Not bloody likely...

...unless, of course, he dies.

"LOL That movie was a riot."

Thanks for the pic. It motivated me enough to download Reefer Madness. It will go well with a bowl and a bowl of popcorn.

NO TAX ON MARIJUANA

/but by all means legalize it

"NO TAX ON MARIJUANA

/but by all means legalize it"

I agree that would be preferable, but that's politically impossible. It's the financial difficulties in California that give this measure a shot at passing.

I agree that would be preferable, but that's politically impossible. It's the financial difficulties in California that give this measure a shot at passing.
#12 | Posted by nullifidian

Are you proposing it be a controlled substance?

"Are you proposing it be a controlled substance?"

No, I'm proposing it be an uncontrolled substance.

"Are you proposing it be a controlled substance?"

Whatever, just give it a status similar to that of alcohol and tobacco.

Sounds good to me Dave.

I read about 10-15 years ago that if pot were legal and taxed heavily the price would still drop by almost 50%. Not sure if that is accurate or not however what I have heard of California pot dispensaries that does not hold true but then again it is not really an economy of scale like the whole US market would be.

What I have heard is that while the price did not really drop the quality for the price increased. I would be interested from hearing from some folks who have access what they pay for what kind of quality.

Legalize and tax it. Simple......

Sing with me:

CAL-I-FORN-IA HERE I COME

"I would be interested from hearing from some folks who have access what they pay for what kind of quality."

$40-50 an eighth in LA dispensaries for high quality cannabis. It's like everything else, you have to shop around. You can pay up to $75 at some shops if you don't. In Humboldt county, around $30 an eighth.

Of course, if you buy by the ounce you can get it cheaper. Or, you can grow your own. You can have up to 6 mature plants and possess 8 ounces.

"I would be interested from hearing from some folks who have access what they pay for what kind of quality."

In south west Va., It's around $500 an ounce for seriously high quality goods.

In south west Va., It's around $500 an ounce for seriously high quality goods.

#21 | Posted by Dave at 2009-08-09 06:12 PM

Nullifidian and I are going to rent an RV and head out your way.

Start up the bar-b-que.

"In south west Va., It's around $500 an ounce for seriously high quality goods."

I feel for you, bro. I can get that for $320 or less in LA pot dispensaries. Don't have any idea of what the street price is.

"Start up the bar-b-que."

I saw some cannabis-infused BBQ sauce in a LA dispensary recently. Next time I'll grab a bottle.

I saw some cannabis-infused BBQ sauce in a LA dispensary recently. Next time I'll grab a bottle.

#24 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-08-09 06:19 PM

You're probably the guy who always burning the rib-eye steaks 'cause you forget about them even cookin' on the grill.

"Nullifidian and I are going to rent an RV and head out your way."

Please do.

I'll make it worth yer while.

"I'll make it worth yer while."

You providing the herb, Dave? Welcome aboard.

"Nullifidian and I are going to rent an RV and head out your way."

- CalifChris

Please do.
...

#26 | Posted by Dave at 2009-08-09 07:13 PM

"You providing the herb, Dave? Welcome aboard."

Just damn.

I thought you guys were bringing with.

"I thought you guys were bringing with."

It's okay, Dave. You can contribute gas money. I'll provide the herb.

"Nulli would say I talked too much and throw me out of the RV before we even hit Barstow."

Some of that duct tape and plastic left over from the post-9-11 scare should take care of that.

"Some of that duct tape and plastic left over from the post-9-11 scare should take care of that."

Don't have any. You'll have to ask an rtard for that.

"Don't have any. You'll have to ask an rtard for that."

Shoulda known...one'a them dang terrist sympathizers...

All you Herbies slobbering over the possibility that California will fully legalize possession of Herb.

Suck your slobber back into your maws. Ain't gonna happen.

States rights apply not in this. Herb is a Schedule I Federally controlled substance. Until the Feds legalize Herb nationally, what the states do matters not and in fact the individual states that do defy the Federal laws can (will) face Federal penalties. Even if Cali does "legalize," those caught possessing can be prosecuted under Federal law. This is the salient point.

Before all you whacks attempt to jump my shit accusing me of being some sort of antiHerb or FedTool, STFU now. Doesn't matter if I'm pro or con. It is the way it is. (FTR, I'm for legalizing, controlling, and selling Herb, or producing home brew Herb, under the same laws as alcohol.)

" Even if Cali does "legalize," those caught possessing can be prosecuted under Federal law. This is the salient point."

Technically, you are correct. Of course, the same thing could be said of medical marijuana. Yet, there are over 400 dispensaries in LA county alone. For all practical purposes, cannabis is already legal in counties like Humboldt, Mendocino, LA, etc. We don't have to worry too much about the Feds until some moronic Republican takes power again.

Let's seem them try to put that genie back in the bottle.

Technically, you are correct. Of course, the same thing could be said of medical marijuana. Yet, there are over 400 dispensaries in LA county alone.

#35 | Posted by nullifidian

And some of those places have had up close and personal visits from the DEA and the BATF.

"For all practical purposes, cannabis is already legal in counties like Humboldt, Mendocino, LA, etc. We don't have to worry too much about the Feds until some moronic Republican takes power again."

Simply because a law is not rigorously enforced does not make the act of breaking that law more legal.

It's a matter of resources and available funding. The Feds have been neglecting the green triangle for the most part because of this.

The fact though that is apprehended, you can be charged at the Federal level. Most snub their noses at this threat and think that it'll never happen to them. Life is but a roll of the dice...

Which is why I do not imbibe at all anymore. I have too much to lose to risk it on a night with Herb. And when I asked, I was informed that even if I Herb up in another country where it is legal, and test positive in the States, I could lose my "credentials."

Choices...

"And some of those places have had up close and personal visits from the DEA and the BATF."

Yes, and the new AG promised to end those raids. Which is why I said:

"We don't have to worry too much about the Feds until some moronic Republican takes power again.

"Simply because a law is not rigorously enforced does not make the act of breaking that law more legal."

I don't care whether it's legal. I care whether it's enforced. The Feds are not going to be busting Californians as long as any White House wants to win the state.

Only problem is, fedgovco. has NO authority to classify it as anything. Read the constitution.

You can thank the oil companies and the labor magnates/thugs of the early 20th, and the pols bought and paid for by same for the particular act of subversion of authority.

$340-$500 for an oz.?

Suckers.

I don't care whether it's legal. I care whether it's enforced.

#38 | Posted by nullifidian

So a long as nobody is enforcing a said law, it's okay to break it?

Interesting moral interpretation.

"As long as I don't get caught..."

Or

"Hey, as long as it not harming anybody but myself..."

Or

"I think that law is stupid and I don't agree with it, so I don't have to follow it..." (similar to the US neo-Christian Fundies take on The Bible - OT SchmOT. Don't mean nothing, except that part about them evil homos.)

"$340-$500 for an oz.?"

The only alternative is to grow your own, something most people don't have the time, space, or expertise to do. The national average is $434 an ounce.

Only problem is, fedgovco. has NO authority to classify it as anything. Read the constitution.

#39 | Posted by gitmboy

I must have missed that. Please cite what area of the COTUS to which you are referring.

"So a long as nobody is enforcing a said law, it's okay to break it?

Interesting moral interpretation."

It's called civil disobedience. You may have hear of it. If not, you may want to read Thoreau.

Just out of curiosity how long would an ounce last an average pot user? Because the prices I've seen on here are pretty steep, but I guess if an ounce would set you up for several months it wouldn't be that bad.

As far as price, if it were legalized I'd imagine it would probably stay around street level, it might even increase. Because people are already willing to pay that much for it and they also are generally willing to pay more for a product that's legal than for the same product which is illegal.

"Just out of curiosity how long would an ounce last an average pot user? Because the prices I've seen on here are pretty steep, but I guess if an ounce would set you up for several months it wouldn't be that bad."

Impossible to say. Some people are casual, once a week or month users, others daily. An ounce would be a gram a day for a month. That might last a year for the casual user, but only a week for a medical patient with high tolerance levels.

Went camping in Minnesota over the weekend. Drove into a very small town to get ice on saturday. Right out on the main road, next to a dumpster, there were 6-10 fairly large marijuana plants about 2 feet from the street. It was so obvious I had to wonder whether it was an accident. I got out, looked at it, confirmed it was definitely weed, and it looked/smelled like pretty good weed. I couldn't believe it was so out in the open.

Since this site is full of potheads, I figured I'd ask. I was under the impression that most outdoor grows are done in the middle of the woods, or somewhere more covert than out next to a main road. Is it possible that this is an accident and that nobody in this town of about 700 even knows what these plants are? Or is it more likely that nobody in the town, including law enforcement, even gives a shit?

I couldn't believe it was so out in the open.

#46 | Posted by JOE

First and foremost, it's a weed. Good sun, lotsa moisture, it'll grow fast like any other weed. Lotsa seeds get accidentally scattered. And if this was next to a dumpster, somebody probably got sloppy dumping those stems and seeds that you don't need.

Kansas used to be full of ditch weed up and down the farm roads. It was Herb, but only good for weak highs and scratchy throat. I know folk that got popped for possession of multiple pounds of this stuff. Quality of product is not considered, only quantity. Fat fines and years in jail for pounds of worthlessness.

Interesting. Being a former smoker I have pretty good knowledge of what is good and what is not - this shit smelled like the bomb. Smelled like pine and fruit, and had a ton of flowering sites. Does that make a difference or is ditch weed ditch weed?

"Went camping in Minnesota over the weekend. Drove into a very small town to get ice on saturday. Right out on the main road, next to a dumpster, there were 6-10 fairly large marijuana plants about 2 feet from the street. "

Cool. Minnesota, you're next!

I didn't say that it would be no good. Just stressing that Herb is not some hot house orchid that needs pampering and pruning and talking nice to. Before these modern kids today started hybridizing Herb, all Herb was pretty much naturally grown back in the Olde Days.

Does that make a difference or is ditch weed ditch weed?

If it smelled dank and looked good and "frosty", it wasn't ditch weed.

I knew it could grow on its own. I am just wondering that given the circumstances, is it possible that this was planted on purpose and that nobody in the town cares?

Null, it hadn't flowered long enough to be "frosty" yet, I'd say it needed another 4-5 weeks. I'm thinking of going back though.

"Just stressing that Herb is not some hot house orchid that needs pampering and pruning and talking nice to. "

Actually it does. If you want high quality, that is.

"Null, it hadn't flowered long enough to be "frosty" yet, I'd say it needed another 4-5 weeks. I'm thinking of going back though."

Party at Joe's house in 5 weeks!

"is it possible that this was planted on purpose and that nobody in the town cares?"

It's likely it was planted on purpose. Nobody in town cares or doesn't know, though that seems a little implausible.

Thanks for the responses. I grabbed a chunk off the top, I'll report back with my findings when it dries out.

On topic, I'd like to see this happen in Cali, but I don't think it will. As Prop-8 showed us, there are still plenty of social conservatives in that state, even more than there are Republicans. Although the topic of legalization has an added element - that of huge boosts in revenue, something gay marriage does not have.

anyone have any cheetos?