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St. Louis County police arrested six people, including a Post-Dispatch reporter, during a demonstration Thursday evening outside a forum on aging called by U.S. Rep. Russ Carnahan, D-St. Louis.

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An important line was crossed last night. Violence in American politics isn't anything new. Union violence isn't anything new. Union violence in American politics isn't anything new. What IS new is violence against ordinary protesting citizens carried out by union stormtroopers EXPLICITLY CALLED OUT BY and CONDONED by the governing political party and the President of the United States.

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And here come the usual teetsuckers to explain why this is a good thing.......

A Black Conservative? Bullshit. -The Lefties that think they own the Black vote.

Wonder if Bammy will have a beer with this black guy?

Black on black crime?

Why Cockie, I thought that was one of your favorite things in life?

One black guy punches out another, and Cockie gets a tingle down his leg.

But please, don't let me interrupt the winger circle jerk . Let the faux outrage continue.....

Corky approves of black people being beaten senseless, as long as its condoned by Glorious Leader. Not unexpected.

Did anyone doubt that Bammy & Rahm would eventually stoop to Chicago thug politics? Anyone? Who though it would be this soon?

Ha, so now the guy was "beaten senseless". An hour from now he will have been "torn to shreds" and "assulted by native tribesmen carrying voodoo sticks".

Carry on, Cockie.

"violence against ordinary protesting citizens carried out by union stormtroopers EXPLICITLY CALLED OUT BY and CONDONED by the governing political party and the President of the United States."

Which is, of course, an outright lie. There is no evidence at all that the POTUS or anyone else approved any violence at all. And to call the sluggardly looking bunch on that street corner "stormtroopers", is also laughable.

"Ha, so now the guy was "beaten senseless". An hour from now he will have been "torn to shreds" and "assulted by native tribesmen carrying voodoo sticks".

We got it, Corkster. He was only roughed up a little so it's OK...right? We KNOW that SEIU, ACORN, and ALL the unions are really leftist-socialist organizations that practice tolerance, understanding, and compassion. How you and your little friends condone all this shit and rationalize the antics being advocated by the supporters of this administration is beyond me. That is, of course, unless you're one of the "community organizers" who believes in Chicago tactics.

I see no evidence of anything at all here other than one idiot maybe punching another at a political rally.

You'd think from the faux outrage that that sort of thing had never happened before.

The fuckin' unions are a large part of what has put us in this economic situation and are every bit as culpable as the "corporate whores." Together with poiliticians like Frank, Dodd, Rangel, and others we're ALL getting hosed. Obama owes the unions, said so himself, and now they're called out to operate in the streets. Remember his statement about favoring a civililian security corps that is as well funded and as well equipped as the military?

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I remember now how paranoid the Tight can be.

"Look! What's that? Up in the sky!

Is it a bird? Is it a plane? NO!

It's....... a black helicopter!!"

Look at the idiot screaming your going to jail, what a coward. a couple Molotov cocktails tossed on his house will send a good message to him about fucking with the union.

Jackass, stop helping, 'K?

"I remember now how paranoid the Tight can be."

And I remember what tools the Light-in-the-Loafers-Leftists can be.

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"Jackass, stop helping, 'K?"

Wait! Wait! You need him. He's going to form the core of the "civilian security group" Obama referred to.

Tampa Town Hall On Health Care Reform Disrupted By Violence (VIDEO)

Angry protesters screamed, yelled and banged on windows as officers hurried to guard the entrances to the facility, where U.S. Rep. Kathy Castor was trying to discuss the various health care reform proposals being debated in Congress. One photojournalist said that a fistfight broke out inside the building, reports WTSP.

Many of the hundreds of protesters said that they had been inspired by a conservative activist group promoted by Fox News host Glenn Beck and some received emails from the county Republican party, according to the St. Petersburg Times:

Instead, hundreds of vocal critics turned out, many of them saying they had been spurred on through the Tampa 912 activist group promoted by conservative radio and television personality Glenn Beck. Others had received e-mails from the Hillsborough Republican party that urged people to speak out against the plan and offered talking points to challenge supporters.

The Times added:

The spectacle at the Children's Board in Ybor City sounded more like a wrestling cage match than a panel discussion on national policy, and it was just the latest example of a health care meeting disrupted by livid protesters.

The Tampa Tribune reports that some protesters carried racist caricatures of President Obama and added details of more fights and scuffles:

www.huffingtonpost.com

Glen Beck belongs to the Union?

Who knew?

I just hate guys like him. They start shit and call the police rather than take care of it himself. This is what cookie would probably do. If I was there and that loud mouth was screaming like that he would get his jaw jacked. I'm tired of their mouths. As liberals we need to shut them up.

-As liberals we need to shut them up.

No, as liberals we need to be tolerant. As jackasses we would shut them up.

THAT video is hilarious, with Country Club Republicans carrying golf clubs to bang on the meeting door! Hahahahhaha!!

Tolerant hasn't worked. repubs are still trying to strong arm us. If we stay tolerant they will probably pull off something like they did with Clinton and they will block healthcare reform. I say we fight fire with fire and stomp them like the roaches they are.

"Glen Beck belongs to the Union?"

All I've ever seen or heard from Glenn Beck is his calling for peaceful protest.

#21 Yes, but you're a jackass.

#22 And I've never heard the POTUS call for violence at the protests, which is the nexus of the pathetic thread article.

"No, as liberals we need to be tolerant. As jackasses we would shut them up."

Kudos...problem is that too many of your compatriots are like the jackass. I refer to orgs like Code Pink, Weathermen, SDS, Black Panthers, Acorn, university student groups etc. That's not to say there aren't some extreme rightists as well, but you must admit they're outnumbered.

If I was there and that loud mouth was screaming like that he would get his jaw jacked. I'm tired of their mouths.
Posted by jackass

Sure, big balls. You would have ran your balls right into that fuckers knee.

"And I've never heard the POTUS call for violence at the protests, which is the nexus of the pathetic thread article."

Nor have I....but his supporters on the other hand...

Corky you are part of the old liberal mindset that accepts losing at every political debate. I believe we have an obligation to future generations. We must correct the path we are on otherwise we will be forced into some rightwing society where the lower class live like medieval peasants. To stop this we must take action on multiple fronts. If this means taking up arms so be it.

Sure, big balls. You would have ran your balls right into that fuckers knee.

#25 | Posted by wisgod

I doubt some sorry middle aged man has the tools to kick my ass and I'm being serious. If he was a badass and not a loud mouth he would have stood up with his friend.

Hey, wait a minute, aren't the same people that are pissing their pants over this the same bad asses who were saying "you shouldn't throw rocks at a hornet's nest" and other various random internet tough guy bullshit just yesterday? You reap what you sow, bitches.

-That's not to say there aren't some extreme rightists as well, but you must admit they're outnumbered.

Outnumbered? Hardly. And the wingnuts are not only more numerous, but more dangerous, as we have witnessed with their record of domestic violence.

-If this means taking up arms so be it.

Violence makes you like your enemy. Here's a tune for you. try and remember what it says.

www.youtube.com

I doubt some sorry middle aged man has the tools to kick my ass and I'm being serious.
#28 | Posted by jackass

You've certainly proven what a bad ass you are on an anonymous blog.

"Corky you are part of the old liberal mindset that accepts losing at every political debate. I believe we have an obligation to future generations. We must correct the path we are on otherwise we will be forced into some rightwing society where the lower class live like medieval peasants. To stop this we must take action on multiple fronts. If this means taking up arms so be it."

Here ya' go, Corky...your jackass comrade has probably sided with THIS philosophy. Reported by the Glenn Beck the left hates so much.

("The Coming Insurrection." This is a call to arms for violent revolution, authored anonymously by a French group called the Invisible Committee who want to bring down capitalism.

This started in France and spread to countries like Greece and Iceland, where people are out of work, out of money and out of patience.

Now it's coming here. The book comes out in English in the U.S. in August. I have one of the first English copies.

The book was written after riots in the Paris suburbs in 2005 tore the country apart, and that was before the economy really got bad. This is the anti-"Common Sense," where I call for peaceful protest.

This is a book of revolution. Remember this is not from the right, you know the radicals that everyone is so worried about in government. This is from the far left. Let me share a bit:

"Take up arms. Do everything possible to make their use unnecessary. There is no such thing as a peaceful insurrection. Weapons are necessary.")

Read more...

www.glennbeck.com

"And the wingnuts are not only more numerous, but more dangerous, as we have witnessed with their record of domestic violence."

More numerous...not according to the last election results, right?
Well, I can see you've lost it, Corky. By the way, WHICH right wing organization advocates domestic violence?

You know, if I ever stoop to quoting an obvious paranoid schizophrenic like Beck, I hope Jackass shoots me.

Jackass is a real hardass.

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corky couldn't see the SEIU logo on the perpetrators' shirts - a union that's in obamadinejad's admin's pocket.

nanc couldn't see that that fact is coincidental, and that nowhere has the POTUS or anyone else authorized violence by any union, as is so pathetically portrayed in the thread article.

nanc also couldn't see the Beck/GOP inspired folk in Tampa instigating violence either, one supposes.

Look at the idiot screaming your going to jail, what a coward. a couple Molotov cocktails tossed on his house will send a good message to him about fucking with the union.

#14 | Posted by jackass

This right here folks is how unions work.

That's not to say there aren't some extreme rightists as well, but you must admit they're outnumbered.

Is that statement a reflection of reality (and therefore requires a link), or is it a reflection of how you'd like reality to be?

Unfortunately, this whole situation seems to be perpetrated by the minority of both sides that are being egged on by "activist" groups with the other side attributing the behavior to the majority of the other side.

Also unfortunate is that douchebags like cockfish here, who are so beside themselves since Obama won, will resort to bullshit tactics like calling these people "stormtrooper thugs" and attributing their behavior to Obama, which of course makes them part of the problem.

From the huffpost vid-

And these people wonder why they're not being let in? They start shouting obscenities and calling people inside assholes and yet they expect to be let in? They make it clear they are there to raise a ruckus and yet they expect to be let in?

Free speech does not mean you can show up and ruin everyone elses' chance to hear their representative speak.

Maybe if these people began acting like civilized human beings people would listen and they'd be allowed to contribute.

Free speech does not mean you can show up and ruin everyone elses' chance to hear their representative speak.

Maybe if these people began acting like civilized human beings people would listen and they'd be allowed to contribute.

#40 | Posted by jpw at 2009-08-07 11:50 AM | Reply |

Unless it's Code Pink, then they should be allowed in...

Maybe if you only want people favorable to your cause to come to your meetings, being a politician isn't the right line of work for you?

Unless it's Code Pink, then they should be allowed in...

No. And you'll notice they're usually escorted out. I'm fine with that for the same reason.

Maybe if you only want people favorable to your cause to come to your meetings, being a politician isn't the right line of work for you?

Reread my last line you quote reeeeeaaaallll carefully.

I think what we are talking about here is people who come to these town hall meetings to discuss the issues, as opposed to people who come with the sole purpose of shouting other people down.

Reread my last line you quote reeeeeaaaallll carefully.

#42 | Posted by jpw at 2009-08-07 11:55 AM | Reply |

It wasn't Shakespeare for fucks sake, I understand what you wrote. It doesn't change the facts. A politician is there to give their choreographed speach, never answer a direct question, eat a rubber chicken dinner, leave, and ignore everything that was said at the metting that they didn't agree with or understand.

That will never change unless something dramatic happens.

Look at the idiot screaming your going to jail, what a coward. a couple Molotov cocktails tossed on his house will send a good message to him about fucking with the union.
#14 | Posted by jackass

Ah, yes, the Sturmabteilung rears its ugly head. The president says "GET IN THIER FACES" what more needs to be said, he doesn't need to say be violent, but he knows it will happen, he knows good citizens, you know the clean cut ones, don't want violence, but to be heard, they are angry with good cause. But fascists like Jackass will oblige Obama, even promoting the idea of violence, then Jackass will retreat and say I was just "joking", Jackass is the true coward, I haven't seen him protest his beliefs, only hide behind a moniker, which suits his person.

All you liberals need to read "Rules for Radicals", then you will understand Obama's meaning, and see Jackass for what he is.

I think what we are talking about here is people who come to these town hall meetings to discuss the issues

The last person to attend one of these is the person who agrees with it. The more likely person to attend one of these meetings are those who either don't have an opinion due to lack of information or those who are against it and want their questions and concerns addressed. Unfortunately we don't hear about these people. We haven't heard about the meetings that go off without problems by nutbags, and that's solely because this is being spun as a free speech issue when in reality it's nothing more than a human decency issue.

I think what we are talking about here is people who come to these town hall meetings to discuss the issues, as opposed to people who come with the sole purpose of shouting other people down.

#43 | Posted by Corky at 2009-08-07 11:56 AM | Reply

Look, there was nothing I hated more than some loser showing up at these public hearings and making a spectacle of themselves. Code Pink, or any other leftwing whacko group.
Now that there are "conservative" groups doing the same I'm not changing my tune. I hate it. I do however enjoy the fact that the liberals and the press (one in the same) don't quite react the same way as they would if it were a lib group doing it. Somehow now these disruptions are a bigger deal.

It wasn't Shakespeare for fucks sake, I understand what you wrote.

Really? Shit, I thought it flowed well too...

It doesn't change the facts. A politician is there to give their choreographed speach, never answer a direct question, eat a rubber chicken dinner, leave, and ignore everything that was said at the metting that they didn't agree with or understand.

You're probably right; however, these people aren't going to change that. The only effect they're going to have is preventing those who are there peacefully from getting any sort of information or answers they're seeking.

That will never change unless something dramatic happens.

Such as?

And again, do you really think these people are going to achieve that?

They are a bigger deal, I think, because we have different players, like the insurance industry, sending in the troops.

I did go to a Code Purple Haze party once, but I don't remember much about it....

Isn't it an amazing coincidence that the union goons have begun to appear at meetings all over the country to silence those voicing objections.

It certainly is similar to the thugs, the SA, that went on the streets and similarly silenced objectors to Hitler.

Instead of a dialogue, it's now a matter of various politicians and NGOs such as the AARP pushing the "Euthanasia for the Elderly " program, Obama's "Death Care for Granny," seeking to just recite their propaganda message without answering questions that cause those attending to be concerned.

This morning, circa 2 A.M., I finished up what I was doing, and turned on a radio station that has political commentators during the day. A program called something like "Coast to Cast AM" was on, and a guest, who presented himself as an M.D. pooh poohed the idea of "Death for Granny," curtailment of services as a primary method of cost control. He didn't address that aspect. Instead he just stated and restated that care here was too expensive, and that people lived longer elsewhere in the industrialized world.

Of course, he misrepresented the statistics since they are garnered differently with live births not live births, and among other things, deaths of recently born children not counted elsewhere. So where in the U.S., death of a child at 1 year of age or less and death of an adult at 65 would result in an average life-span of 33 years, in "other industrialized countries, the death of the infant would not be counted and the average lifespan would be 65. The statistic gathering process is fraught with such incongruities.

And of course, the genetic base and longevity of comparable groups in the U.S. with their counterparts in their countries of origin is not undertaken.

Many of the claims are spurious and contrived. Liars do figure. So figures are contrived to lie. Why do people able to do so come from all over the world to obtain health care in the U.S.? What makes U.S. healthcare a lodestone?

Putting healthcare under government control would extend the control of government officials and employees into everyone's life with the addtional intrusion enabling life and death decisions as on allocations of funds to be made based on life style, or possibly later on, based on political affiliation bases. Okay fatso, no knee or hip surgery for you. Okay alky, no liver treatment for you. Okay grandma and grandpa, you folks are too old to make intervention to extend your lives worthwhile.

These people who are control freaks graitate top power positions, and among other things and want to arrogate complete control of your lives. They are on the march. They have the securities, insurance, and banking industries in their thrall. They own a good portion of the automobile industry. They want to take over what is now one-sixth of the economy, health care. The storm troopers are marching on, and a slickster, a narcissistic sociopath is leading them on. When will people listen to "what" he is saying and evaluate its effect on them? Maybe never. The thugs and rhythmic goose steppers are on he march. Beware. Hitler's SA and other thugs worked the same way.

What's funny is that other wingnuts can witlessly shout out, "Fascist thugs!", while it takes Johnson 9 paragraphs to do the same.

Brevity being the soul of wit, and all.

If we stay tolerant they will probably pull off something like they did with Clinton and they will block healthcare reform. I say we fight fire with fire and stomp them like the roaches they are.

#21 | Posted by jackass

Stay tolerant? Rasta, you haven't been tolerant a day in your life and your posts here prove that. You are a perfect and prime example of how the left truly behaves and thinks. Thank you for giving everyone this fine example of liberal behavior.

Such as?

And again, do you really think these people are going to achieve that?

#48 | Posted by jpw at 2009-08-07 12:05 PM | Reply

Voting out incumbents, which unfortunately is seen as so far out of the realm of possibility that I termed it as dramatic.

I think these people are achieving noteriety, which some people will view as a success. I don't see it that way.

As I mentioned, when liberals protest and disrupt, you see nothing here but praise from lefties. "It's the american way", "free speech", etc
Now, because they're republicans doing it, they're being labeled as plants.

Check out this article by Noonan...
online.wsj.com

On another note, the WH telling people to "punch back twice as hard" is going to bite them in the ass. We'll hear some backing off, some spin, etc but in the end, regardless of who is responsible for starting the violence at these mettings, it will be that comment from the white house (in or out of context) that will be brought up.

You know, if I ever stoop to quoting an obvious paranoid schizophrenic like Beck, I hope Jackass shoots me.

#34 | Posted by Corky

How long have you been a psychiatrist?

Free speech does not mean you can show up and ruin everyone elses' chance to hear their representative speak.

Maybe if these people began acting like civilized human beings people would listen and they'd be allowed to contribute.

#40 | Posted by jpw

They will never equal the left's capacity and history of behaving in this manner. I guess the last 8 years have been erased from your memory or you would recall this type of behavior emanating from the left on a weekly basis.

Ever since I got the science degree in psychology and the arts degree in counseling, I guess. But I only play one on a blog.

They're going to need more medical insurance if they keep beating each up over the health care bill.

Any broken bones? blood spattered? bruises?

So, a diagnosis of paranoid schizophrenic is easily made from what you see and hear of someone's behavior on TV? Or, would it be a little easier to figure it out from an actual session or two?

Naw, in this case, the signs of typical dry drunk behaviour, if not actual psychosis, is pretty obvious.

#5 | Posted by Corky at 2009-08-07 09:19 AM

Black on black crime?

Why Cockie, I thought that was one of your favorite things in life?

One black guy punches out another, and Cockie gets a tingle down his leg.


Are you really this sick, Corky? Are these the thoughts evoked in your mind?

It never ceases to provoke wonderment when a lefty embellishes what someone else posts by elaborations that are not those of the poster on whom they are commenting but which originate with themselves.

Some black union thugs assault a man, and you Corky somehow find that another poster delights in that activity? Where did the other poster make such a suggestion or in any way intimate that. Unfortunately Corky, that is your own original thought. Why do you think that the person you address would enjoy such interaction? It's your fantasy not the reality of others. Deal with the thoughts that emanate from you Corky, and possibly do some self-searching to try to figure out why it provides you with some benefit for you to fantasize that others to engage in the bizarre ideation you without cause, attribute to them. Now just who is "sick," Corky?

It couldn't be you, could it? Nah. Who could harbor such sick thoughts? Er, wait. They did originate with you Corky.

Again Corky, how does it enable you to function better if there are others who hold the extreme views you conjure and attribute to them?

Do you think that your ruminations might just reflect a bit of neurosis there, Corky?

By the way, "Tingle down the leg ..." Isn't that a Chris Matthews thing? Why yess indeed. "Chris Matthews: "I Felt This Thrill Going Up My Leg" As Obama Spoke" www.huffingtonpost.com Are you imputing Chris Matthew's feelings to someone else? Confused there, Corky? Try to get the associations in order.

just like the right hyped this country into invading iraq, so will the right hype america into a war with itself. things are aligning just like they did in late 2002 in the build up for the iraqi invasion. you have all the right wing media egging it on and fanning the flames.

The leftist shout down of people with "bad thoughts" at Columbia and attack on those at the podium certainl ranks right up their in the annals of "shout down."

Isn't imitation the sincerest form of flattery. Why aren't you lefties puffing out your chests?

roflmao! I'm going to note in the experiment book that post #51 was a major success.

And with extra credit for Tiny recognizing a Chris Matthews reference.

'The fuckin' unions are a large part of what has put us in this economic situation and are every bit as culpable as the "corporate whores.""

What a giant crock. The owners are supposed to know their own business model, and what's needed to make a profit. Your suggestion is that folks like Howard Stern should've told Sirius not to pay him so much. Ludicrous.

Sorry, but the responsibility falls squarely on the guy who owns 50% of the signatures on the contract, and 100% of all the other decisions. And all too often, the workers fulfill their side of the bargain, and the company merely finds a judge who'll say 'the company didn't really mean it when they signed the contract', and void out any company's obligations.

You automatically decide because they are making noise and disrupting meetings they have to be Republican?

While in College I was told the best way to modify public opinion, when it was going against your programs, was to disrupt your own meetings using bullying tactics, profanity, and as a last resort, physical means to gain sympathy from your opponents. This tactic does work quite effectively if implemented properly.

'By any means necessary......', doesn't say specifically use force or coersion, but implies do what is necessary to accomplish your goals!

Not everyone is a college graduate with the ability to think things through!

Fools say what you want but more and more people are beginning to agree with me on how to defeat the republicans. You can't compromise with those unwilling to compromise. We must force change upon them by any means necessary. If we have to get our hands dirty doing it well then we do what we have to do.

and if you saw the clips I saw you would see large black men with SEIU on thier shirts.

sent there by the white house I am quite sure and the chicago crook and asshole rhom emmanuel

"These are nothing more than destructive efforts to interrupt a debate that we should have, and are having," Reid said. "They are doing this because they don't have any better ideas. They have no interest in letting the negotiators, even though few in number, negotiate. It's really simple: They're taking their cues from talk show hosts, Internet rumor-mongerers ... and insurance rackets."

That about sums it up.

#51 | Posted by Corky at 2009-08-07 12:14 PM

What's funny is that other wingnuts can witlessly shout out, "Fascist thugs!", while it takes Johnson 9 paragraphs to do the same.

Brevity being the soul of wit, and all.


This is a repeated statement of yours, Corky.

And as I have posted previously, the person who made the statement certainly would not have been "witty" by his own definition.

From Shakespeare's Hamlet, 1603:

LORD POLONIUS
This business is well ended.
My liege, and madam, to expostulate
What majesty should be, what duty is,
Why day is day, night night, and time is time,
Were nothing but to waste night, day and time.
Therefore, since brevity is the soul of wit,
And tediousness the limbs and outward flourishes,
I will be brief: your noble son is mad:
Mad call I it; for, to define true madness,
What is't but to be nothing else but mad?
But let that go.

I'm trying to review a subject, quite possibly in a plebian way, Corky, and so sometimes try to provide some basis for my conclusion. If it isn't brief, so be it.

I prefer prolixity to mindless bumper sticker phrases, and although it might not be "witty," it does provide some context for conclusions.

This is not an apologetic, but an explanation. I prefer my mode of expression.

-I prefer my mode of expression.

Brain farts.

I prefer my mode of expression.


Erotic performance art featuring shaved skunks and armadillos in wet suits dancing to the Final Countdown, the karaoke version while a million pigeons shit a heart on the roof of a Dodge Caravan?

If so, I already did it last week.

Look at the idiot screaming your going to jail, what a coward. a couple Molotov cocktails tossed on his house will send a good message to him about fucking with the union.
#14 | Posted by jackass

This right here folks is how unions work.
#38 | Posted by member2586 at 2009-08-07 11:26 AM

Maybe not to that extreme but yeah they do try to intimidate people, at least in my experience (actually the experience of people I know). I think unions are necessary to keep their bosses from trying to fuck over workers too much, but the intimidation tactics are bull shit.

"This is not an apologetic, but an explanation. I prefer my mode of expression"

In other words, these are johnson's love letters to himself. view them as one does a pile of dog poo on an urban sidewalk-- step over and walk on. there is no need to get down to study and sniff.

"A Black Conservative? Bullshit. -The Lefties that think they own the Black vote.

#3 | Posted by wisgod at 2009-08-07 09:16 AM"

WE DO AND YOU KNOW IT!!

Don't you know WHY blacks won't join the GOP?

It is because BEING BLACK IN THE GOP is like BEING A DEER IN THE NRA!!

Take it to the streets! We WILL have our HEALTH CARE REFORM whether or not you TIGHTIE RIGHTIES want to come along for the ride! Get on the bandwagon or get run over wingnut creeps.

I prefer my mode of expression.

#69 | Posted by Johnson at 2009-08-07 12:47 PM | Flag: Has a little tattoo of a tear by his eye

The Democrats by not being aggressive enough in the elections of 2000, saw the presidency go to Bush because of the Hooligans that flooded the Florida elections recounts, THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN!!!!!This is not a one way street, both sides will be heard not only the ones the REPUBLICAN sends out....

Nor have I....but his supporters on the other hand...

#26 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2009-08-07 10:28 AM | Reply | Flag:Never saw a Palinberg hate fest

OMG...A FIGHT!!

How is this any different than what you rightards do to the wife after a night at the bar?

Members of the local Tea Party Coalition, a movement that has emerged to counter Obama's policies, had urged their members to attend Carnahan's forum, which in turn spurred Democrats to establish a strong presence.

Inside the gathering, while speakers stuck to aging issues, they were often interrupted by yells from audience members who wanted to shift the focus to health care.

Teabaggers whining their way into everything.

101chairborne-

You guys still don't get it. Your protests are being plotted and paid for by the Insurance industry. Why dont you GET THAT? Shouldn't that alarm you?

Moonstacks for the day: If your asshole bosses on the right can pay and ship people in to disrupt meetings - complete with instructions - what makes you think that, upon failure to actually disrupt, they wouldn't pay and send in people to throw punches???

Agent aprovacateurs? The Right loves that!!!!

Wake up. You guys are SOOOO on the wrong side of history on this.

Teabaggers whining their way into everything.

american taxpayers speaking out the only way they can because of state controlled media.
taxpayers who are using the first amendment exactly the way the left has since nam and environment issues, the entire bush presidency

and the left is furious because the right is shoving thier shit right back down thier throats

and the miserable piece of dogshit in the white house STILL WONT say whats in the proposals...
nothing but rhetoric and HATRED for american citizens.

and from yesterday

gene green from houston

always votes to let illegals and other VOTE without proof of citizenship
but to enter a town hall meeting
you have to PROVE you are a resident in his distric

what an asshole...but this is the same prick who sold thousands of jobs out along the houston ship channel because he was against cap and trade..was summoned to the white house and came out for cap and trade

pitifull

I see my boys did real good. What time does the bus leave for the next town hall?

dumpling
please...look at clips of acorn protesting with professional made signs
and an entire industry sprung up on nam protests..

and there is only little proof of that and what does exists is small and contained in a small area

ALL of those white haired people you see on the news cant be insurance dupes...

one more on proof of citizenship

are you liberal fucks too busy slurping up the bullshit to know that there is no proof of citizenship required to get that 4500 of MY TAX MONEY..........

Last week you righties were so in favor of professor Gates being arrested for disturbing the peace on his front porch but when a bunch of republican conspire to disturb the peace then there should be no consequence. The hypocrisy never ends.

That's hilarious, a-babble. $4,500 of YOUR tax money. As if you even make enough to pay taxes. You're on the public dole.

You guys still don't get it. Your protests are being plotted and paid for by the Insurance industry. Why dont you GET THAT? Shouldn't that alarm you?
#81 | Posted by DUMPLING1

LINK??

(And not a Pelosi quote saying so...)

but when a bunch of republican conspire to disturb the peace

How do you all know that this is a conspiracy??

The video I saw was of people asking real questions of senator spector and when he tried to Bull Shit the room they ripped him to schreds... The guy doing most of the ripping stated that he was a Democrat!!!!!

I guess you all want to believe that the American public are too stupid and unmotivated to attend these meetings without prodding from the Republican Boogie Man....

I do know that you feel that anyone with a decenting opinion should be dealt with as we can see fro the many videos from around the country.

palosi got her ass handed to her too... But those can't be normal people... This must all be part of the "VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY"...

people are too stupid to have an opinion....

They will never equal the left's capacity and history of behaving in this manner. I guess the last 8 years have been erased from your memory or you would recall this type of behavior emanating from the left on a weekly basis.

#55 | POSTED BY EVERLONG

Unless it's Code Pink, then they should be allowed in...
No. And you'll notice they're usually escorted out. I'm fine with that for the same reason.

#42 | POSTED BY JPW

Reading is key.

And the wingnuts are not only more numerous, but more dangerous, as we have witnessed with their record of domestic violence.

-If this means taking up arms so be it.

#30 | Posted by Corky

I know you don't mean that there is a record of domestic violence that involves a greater number of conservatives than liberal or more folks from right of center than left of center?

Call bs or give a link...

There is nothing wrong with folks expressing their opinions and even yelling about it.

Yelling without being rude and certainly without violence is needed.

Montsman must be soo happy since he hates repubs--well fine.

But how are the dems working for you and black folks?

i'm sure if you took all the extra dough this health care disaster would cost and moved it into a fund for starting another war in the middle east many of those righties would start jumping up and down in rabid support, waving the same tattered flags they were waving in the run up to the iraq invasion.

that's why the idea that they are against "big government" just doesn't ring true to me. you never hear a peep from them if you bring up the escalating funding for the quagmires in afganistan and iraq, as well as continued funding for idiot regimes in israel, egypt and elsewhere.

Anything for you, Smurph

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"This right here folks is how unions work."
#38 | Posted by member2586 at 2009-08-07 11:26 AM

Yup, now all you have to do is Expand that Sentiment to Include ALL Unions (like the NRA, the Heritage Foundation, etc) and then Perhaps you might half honest!

It's Not a Coincidence that the Same Juvenile and Belligerent "grass roots" Behavior Exhibited at EVERY Mccain/Palin Rally is now showing up at these Town Halls, its being Spurred on by these "conservative" Unions.

And yes, anyone who pays dues to a group that advocates for its members rights is in fact a UNION no matter how Hard the DingDongs try to Deny it!!

Dumper,
What else have Keith Olbermann and Pelosi told you?

Inform yourself. The "Brooks Brothers" talking point is a sure fire way to out yourself as a mindless parrot.

Can you dumb Fucks stick to SINGLE "principle"?

#5 | Posted by Redneckville at 2009-07-01 09:44 AM | Reply

www.drudge.com

american taxpayers speaking out the only way they can because of state controlled media.

That's funny, I've seen tons of coverage on this on different media outlets. But who says reality has to be acknowledged...

The guy doing most of the ripping stated that he was a Democrat!!!!!

So therefore he must be!!!!!!!

I wonder how many of the "protestors" actually know ANYTHING about the bill beyond what they've heard on talk radio or Hannity. I'll bet most of them actually believe the elderly will be left to die the moment this bill is passed and haven't actually gone to the section of the bill that supposedly states this.

"The "Brooks Brothers" talking point is a sure fire way to out yourself as a mindless parrot"

YEAH!

Especially when compared to the Intellectual Spontaneity of chanting "Stay the Course" and "Four More Years"!

DOH!

Non sequitur as usual.

Hurry, log in to Coconservative and....Oh wait, Rcade took that log in and the IAmSam log ins away. Nevermind.

Maybe you can get some new ID's and go back to talking to yourself again?

Castor said broadcast commentators Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck had both mentioned the Tampa event on their shows, urging listeners or viewers to attend

So... According to this insane person in our government.... If you listen to the radio or watch TV and attend a meeting on the prompting of anyone not connected to or supportive of,the Democratic Party... YOU DON'T COUNT and SHOULDN'T COUNT

But if you listned to msnbc of cnn or abc or nbc and went to support the cause You Should Count!!!!

Nice

Look at the idiot screaming your going to jail, what a coward. a couple Molotov cocktails tossed on his house will send a good message to him about fucking with the union.

#14 | Posted by jackass at 2009-08-07 10:02 AM

There it is folks.

Make no mistake, Obama is here to divide. It was no mistake he answered the planted question involving the professor and the cop in the manner he did. Only a dullard would think otherwise.

Politics in this contry has degraded to a level where none of these people are believeable any more... Not a single one of them.... But they have most people wrapped up in the my side your side mind set.....

WE NEED A THIRD PARTY FOLKS!!!! STOP THE INSANITY!!!!!

I propose we start a new Party in this country and Would like to name it "THE AMERICAN PARTY"

That way when someone asks you what party are you with you can say "I'M an American" Just like the other folks say I'M a Democrat or a Republican....

Stop the insanity!

corky couldn't see the SEIU logo on the perpetrators' shirts - a union that's in obamadinejad's admin's pocket.

where in the evidence (video) presented do you identify any "perpetrator(s)"?

are you referring to early in the video when some one is heard to say "that guy attacked me" or something similar to that?

if so, i say: i saw you there and you started it. silly, eh?

we having fun yet? no?

if Obama is here to divide, WASHER, i hope it's me from you. i'm awful tired of wondering where that smell is coming from. :-P

Politics in this contry has degraded to a level where none of these people are believeable any more... Not a single one of them.... But they have most people wrapped up in the my side your side mind set.....

WE NEED A THIRD PARTY FOLKS!!!! STOP THE INSANITY!!!!!

Posted by bashthis

And HERES'S JESSE!

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The more I participate in this forum the more I realize that this country will never be free to discuss any controversial issues until those that shout the loudest shut up and listen or be forced to shut up and jailed.

Take a close look at the post here from an objective point of view for once. Where is all the most vile and hateful comments coming from? The left or the right? This is a great thread for this small awakening because of the obvious divisions based on the subject matter. Now ask yourself, which group is the more tolerant and the least intimidating and then you will know who is right or wrong about the intents and purposes of right vs the left.

People who can't sit down like respectable citizens and listen to both sides of an issue have absolutely no business at the meeting. I watched the video of the town hall meeting in Florida and realized that the protesters were doing nothing more then preventing the speakers from stating their views. The proponents all complain that nobody has read the bill, including themselves, but yet they have already predetermined that the bill is going to destroy the countries health care industry. Even if they were wrong, they would never really know because they shouted down the opponents.

This is not what democracy is all about. I predict what it will do is galvanize the majority in congress and the senate to pass the bill because they can and because the right has become so intimidating as to not even listen to their proposals. If I was a judge I would jail all the shouters for un-American activities that prevent the free and legal debate on issues that our constitution guarantees.

As for the issue itself, the right's claims that the government will prevent them from paying for their own health care or buying private insurance is not founded in truth. It's a ploy by talk radio hosts, and we all know who, to block the bill for political purposes and not what's in the best interest of the 40 million Americans that are being denied health care insurance because of their inability to pay or preexisting conditions.

Don't bother to call me filthy names if you don't agree, because I can sling shit too, and you will only reinforce my point of view.

"I want my America back. I don't want Obama's socialism and I don't want them messing with my medicare and medicaid."

Look at the idiot screaming your going to jail, what a coward. a couple Molotov cocktails tossed on his house will send a good message to him about fucking with the union.

#14 | Posted by jackass
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Jackass makes a good argument as to why we need to get rid of the unions. Jackass, your what the Democrats call a useful idiot!

Lonnie

I just hate guys like him. They start shit and call the police rather than take care of it himself. This is what cookie would probably do. If I was there and that loud mouth was screaming like that he would get his jaw jacked. I'm tired of their mouths. As liberals we need to shut them up.

#19 | Posted by jackass
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Karl Marx would be so proud. He'd probably have a tear in his eye listening to you. Your a Communist aren't you? You switched parties from the communist party because people would buy your bullshit under the Democrat flag.

Lonnie

Corky you are part of the old liberal mindset that accepts losing at every political debate. I believe we have an obligation to future generations. We must correct the path we are on otherwise we will be forced into some rightwing society where the lower class live like medieval peasants. To stop this we must take action on multiple fronts. If this means taking up arms so be it.

#27 | Posted by jackass
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Soooo you want to take a gun into a town hall meeting? Really? I'm sure the local police might want to know who you are.

Honestly as tough as you try to talk, I doubt you could beat your way out of wet toilet paper. As for your threats toward the elderly, get a fucking life. You'd have to skip school to go to a town hall meeting.

Lonnie

"Maybe you can get some new ID's and go back to talking to yourself again?"

#100 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2009-08-07 02:00 PM

Is that all the Fury you got?

Yes, im sure in your Feeble Mind ---- im everyone and everything.
There are no other posters here, just me.

You're waning! Better get back to the school yard to brush up on some new "Burns"!

From the huffpost vid-

And these people wonder why they're not being let in? They start shouting obscenities and calling people inside assholes and yet they expect to be let in? They make it clear they are there to raise a ruckus and yet they expect to be let in?

Free speech does not mean you can show up and ruin everyone elses' chance to hear their representative speak.

Maybe if these people began acting like civilized human beings people would listen and they'd be allowed to contribute.

#40 | Posted by jpw
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Yeah, they wouldn't be so fucking pissed if the Democrats didn't have to lie to their constituents about their activities and motives. I've seen several of these town hall meetings that broke down after the idiot lied.

Lonnie

OMG...A FIGHT!!

How is this any different than what you rightards do to the wife after a night at the bar?

#79 | Posted by COMMONSENSE
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There is a hell of a lot of difference. I don't go to the bar and I rarely drink alcohol.

Lonnie

Last week you righties were so in favor of professor Gates being arrested for disturbing the peace on his front porch but when a bunch of republican conspire to disturb the peace then there should be no consequence. The hypocrisy never ends.

#86 | Posted by bigblackie
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Another intellectually dishonest Liberal, how quaint! Comparing apples to oranges does nothing to support your claim.

These people wanted honest answers and are being told lies, of course they are pissed off. If these politicians want to have a calm meeting all they really had to do is start telling the truth in their answers. It's so simple that they can honestly screw it up but then they blame their constituents for the anger and insult them by calling them angry mobs. Go figure.

Lonnie

mr. gladney, the man who was hit, thrown down to the ground and kicked by SEIU members was just on fox news with his attorney - he stated that one black man hit him and said, "what kind of nigger are you doing this?" mr. gladney was handing out patriotic buttons and flags. but because he wasn't following THE BLACK party line, he was ridiculed and beaten. SEIU members were BUSSED in and allowed into the town hall meeting.

only in america.

The story that's linked is, as one of the local posters there said, incoherent. Most of what we know, and frankly is driving a lot of the posts here on Drudge, is from other sources.

THis may be a turning point, and perhaps even a flash point. If, as has been alleged, union thugs were directed there and attacked the protesters,...

Then more people are going to get angry.. I just hope the democratic leadership doesn't try the end run as Chuck Schumer promised of passing health care as part of a reconciliation vote. That is going to really raise the volume of folks that already think the elites in Washington are trying to screw them on this bill.

I think politicians, no matter how idealistic, at the end of the day, want more than anything else to keep their jobs. That, will be socialized medicine's supporters biggest nightmare. Once these elected clowns figure out that the folks actually are going to remember them for this.. they'll back down.

Wow, I'll be Obama and crew are wetting their pants over this turn of events.. "but we're wonderful.. how come they don't know that?"

Who is surprised that another assault was perpetrated by the cops who mace a woman for asserting her rights, or trammel a guy asserting his?

One more argument for a law that allows citizens to defend themselves from assault by a police force that has been militarized and covers up their overreaction by charging the victims with minor and indeed laughable offenses.

The real offense is the ObamaMamas and their social engineering project. But who will arrest them?

That tactic is STALINIST, NOT Marxist.

A little education for you today.

Stalin was the one who promoted sending brown shirts into the streets to crush any political opposition.

AND THAT IS WHAT WE NEED RIGHT NOW! You want to take it to the streets? I am ready and I wont be calling the police for help!

If these politicians want to have a calm meeting all they really had to do is start telling the truth in their answers. It's so simple that they can honestly screw it up but then they blame their constituents for the anger and insult them by calling them angry mobs. Go figure.

I'm sure it helps that these people are already convinced they're being lied to and that they can't trust what's being told to them. I'm not saying I disagree with that, they are politicians after all, but the behavior of some of the "protestors" in some of the videos I've seen doesn't deserve to be addressed. When they start acting like adults, they'll start being treated as adults.

Yeah, they wouldn't be so fucking pissed if the Democrats didn't have to lie to their constituents about their activities and motives. I've seen several of these town hall meetings that broke down after the idiot lied.

Really, actually lied, as in willingly and purposefully telling them something that was demonstrably false, or lying as in didn't tell them what they think the answer should be?

Ok one dem politician said Obama doesn't want single payer system of healthcare. Yet there is a video of him saying it. Obviously the politician lied. Does this deserve respect?

Lonnie

Ok one dem politician said Obama doesn't want single payer system of healthcare. Yet there is a video of him saying it. Obviously the politician lied. Does this deserve respect?

Lonnie

#122 | Posted by lwalk17

Obama was in favor of single payer in the past. During the campaign he said (repeatedly) that if we could start completely from scratch that single-payer would be the way to go, but that realistically that wasn't possible.

Ok one dem politician said Obama doesn't want single payer system of healthcare. Yet there is a video of him saying it. Obviously the politician lied.

Do you have a link to the vids? What was the context? Or is this like GreenDad posting two words from an Obama interview to purposefully give the wrong impression about Obama's intentions in the statement?

#124 | Posted by jpw

The vid they are referring to was from, like 2003 I think.

Again, Obama has always said he preferred single payer, but recognizes under current circumstances it isn't feasible.

WE NEED A THIRD PARTY FOLKS!!!! STOP THE INSANITY!!!!!

Posted by bashthis

funny you should mention this..

there is a group locally that is beginning to take root.
thier mission is to rid the government of most of the ones there now regardless of thier letter after thier name
not throw them all out because surly there are SOME who are or can be effective.....

stay tuned

Obama was in favor of single payer in the past. During the campaign he said (repeatedly) that if we could start completely from scratch that single-payer would be the way to go, but that realistically that wasn't possible.

#123 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2009-0

and he said that it would take time

JUST LIKE we talk about private insuranc companies

he says you wont lose your insurance he means by HIM..what he fails to say is that when your employer decides to move you into the govt plan, you wont have a choice in the matter because according to one of the proposals, that is against the law.........

its not what he is saying all the time..but what they ARENT saying...

-Again, Obama has always said he preferred single payer, but recognizes under current circumstances it isn't feasible.

Which is the same thing Hillary said.

Interestingly, the industrial concerns had already written off the Presidency to the Dems before Obama became a potential winner.... they thought they would have Hillary to deal with and had made concessions in private that they would go along with universal health care as long as it wasn't single-payer.

Which is why we are as close as we are today to health care reform.

-he fails to say is that when your employer decides to move you into the govt plan,

CBO projections are that private employers will have about 3 million more people on their health care with reform than without it.

These people wanted honest answers and are being told lies, of course they are pissed off. If these politicians want to have a calm meeting all they really had to do is start telling the truth in their answers. It's so simple that they can honestly screw it up but then they blame their constituents for the anger and insult them by calling them angry mobs. Go figure.

Lonnie

What a load of garbage. Listen to yourself Lonnie. They never had a chance to talk! Where in the hell is your head? These kinds of statements are nothing more then lies too. The fact is they could not possibly tell lies if they never had a chance to talk in the first place. Get off the soap box if you can't at least understand basic logic.

Do you know what the bill is all about? No, because you haven't read it either.

man who was thrown against door in other town hall called rush and he stated what I would state.
dems are OVERPLAYING their hands on this one..

the cards are turning mister president
dont sell that house that rezko helped you get
JUST NOW..........

backlash of this government use of union thugs and 'assoiciates' could be a real crucial time for them and thier plans after 2010 and 2012....

Lonnie: another meth freak.

end your prohibition and we can talk.

until then and as for here and now: Universal Single Payer will, eventually, come.

how do I know they were union

easy...they didnt try and hide it
wore shirts with seiu in large yellow letters on thier backs

I still dont know why they just dont use black panthers...holder has already laid the precedent for them being above the law...

until then and as for here and now: Universal Single Payer will, eventually, come.

#133 | Posted by ichiro at 2009-08

I disagree
remember that pendelum that was as repsonsible for obama's election as anything else..
with all this shit from dems, they may be sending that pendilum back the other way so hard it might come off the hinge..
in other words...REAL conservatism...........and that is NOT a part of those ideas

backlash of this government use of union thugs and 'assoiciates'

There isn't any evidence that these "union thugs and associates" are acting on behalf of the government. Spin some more...spin some more...

with all this shit from dems, they may be sending that pendilum back the other way so hard it might come off the hinge..

And I'm sure the bat shit craziness of these "protestors" is going to have negative effects for them and their supporters as well.

...what he fails to say is that when your employer decides to move you into the govt plan, you wont have a choice in the matter because according to one of the proposals, that is against the law.........

I believe the provisions clearly allows you stay on your old plan but your employer will have to pay portion of it if you refuse the new plan, but he will not be on the hook for all of your overpriced private insurance plan. It is after all your choice to pay more or switch to a cheaper plan. In Hawaii the law has required insurance for all employees that work more then 21 hours a week. Recently the insurance companies have degraded our plans by increasing co-pays, denying many necessary medical appliances and eliminating family members from the plans. They get by the law every way they can. Something has to change because the number of people in the state that are covered is dropping rapidly because of a failed system, and a lack of government oversight.

Oddly enough, the republicans here for the most part hate the current system too because they know what no oversight can do with the right lawyers in the insurance companies pocket. They still hate Obama (they are after all the party of hate), but they aren't acting like thugs and assholes at our town meetings on this issue because they all feel the pain of the insurance companies and drug companies abusing the law here.

"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration."

Hillary Clinton

the u.k. has the third larges industry in the world in national health care employees with 1.4 million government employed:

u.s. pop. 7/08 - 304,059,724

u.k. pop. 7/08 - 60,943,912

diff. in pops. - 243,115,812

% of u.k. pop working in government run health care - .0229%

would this mean OUR government would also have to have the same percentage of people running this nightmare of a health plan? 5,567,352 more people on the government payroll...this gets more interesting by the moment - hard to put THAT toothpaste back into the tube!

u.k. figures from daniel hannon, member of british parliament - who also has a great love for the u.s. and its constitution and is more an expert on our constitution than most of our own citizens!

the chinese military is one of the other in the top three industries.

Big Brave Obama, the bringer of Peace!
Big Brave Obama, who stomps down the little old ladies!
Big Brave Obama, who upholds justice against those "typical white persons" like grandma!
Big Brave Obama, who sends out his upholders of peace to rough up the seniors!
All Hail to Lord Joker, the bringer of peace and justice to Gotham!

Obama hates white people!

"% of u.k. pop working in government run health care - .0229%"

Nope.

100 times that.

danforth - did i do my math wrong again? must go find my good glasses! TWO+ PERCENT!

The intended white-haired victims recognize the attempt to slip through stealth legislation that will deprive them of care necessary to extend life. The proponents of such legislation contrived to enact it without scrutiny.

The perpetration of generational genocide on the quiet has failed. I wonder how the old folks messed up by union and ACORN thugs will vote next time around. Revenge is more satisfying when savored cold. Hate and wait, and oust the Democrat gangsters from office. They certainly learned their tactics from the Nazi Brownshirts, the SA.

Storm troopers are functioning in America under the aegis of the Democrat Party.

My God Johnson you are full of shit.

Anything for you, Smurph

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#94 | Posted by Corky

Cork--you posted domestic violence...

And nice touch to try and tie conservatism with right wing terrorists.

The guy who was beaten by the thugs--is unemployed. He was selling flags and "Don't Tread on Me" stickers for a buck.

The SEIU was called to the TH meeting by Carnahan.

The thugs then went to this guy who is outside the meeting and cussing at him and then proceeded to beat him in the face, knock him to the ground, and some female was kicking his head.

So ACORN is allowed to yell and shout--but old people are not...

What folks seem to forget is during the Tea Parties--Repubs would get on the stage and if they voted for the stimulus--the crowd booed them!

There are Dems and Repubs upset with this health care destruction bill.

So expect more of this.

When there are 68% of the public happy with their health care and 39% really oppose the Obamacare plan--you will have a vocal majority.

Big Brave Obama, the bringer of Peace!
Big Brave Obama, who stomps down the little old ladies!
Big Brave Obama, who upholds justice against those "typical white persons" like grandma!
Big Brave Obama, who sends out his upholders of peace to rough up the seniors!
All Hail to Lord Joker, the bringer of peace and justice to Gotham!

Like I said, the culture of hate.

Anyone who has read anything about the rise of the Nazis can see the similarities between them and what the democrats have been doing. We are lucky that there is no single Bismarck gatekeeper holding them at bay. Israelis take note, once the Bismarcks of the US are gone, you're on your own.
Luckily there are US citizens not sitting around like "good Americans." It is very interesting to see so many cannot fathom citizens actually rising up by themselves without being told to do so by their union masters. "There must be someone telling them what to do because we always have to have someone telling us what to do."
Culture of hate, Master? I think you are confused from 20 years of listening to Rev Wright.

Storm troopers are functioning in America under the aegis of the Democrat Party.

#145 | Posted by Johnson

You, and the likes of you do a disservice far beyond the pale to the survivors and victims of the Nazi Party and the Third Reich.

Nazism and its symbols are NOT a metaphor for policies you oppose, or politicians with whom you disagree.

You are despicable, and disgraceful, and should have the common decency to at least be ashamed of yourself.

But look who I'm talking to...

Nazism and its symbols are NOT a metaphor for policies you oppose, or politicians with whom you disagree.
#151 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

Thuggery is hardly a policy, and is very Nazi-like. Your attempt at diminishing such activity by suggesting Johnson's "stormtrooper" comment refers to political policy, rather than Obama-thuggery is specious!

My God Johnson you are full of shit.

#146 | Posted by jpw at 2009-08-07 06:44 PM

If you can't see the likeness of tactics between the democrat party, Hitler, Mao, Stalin etc.

Hello dullard.

Nazi!
Stalin!
Hitler!
Mao!
He's not a "real" American!
He wasn't born here!
He's a secret Muslim!

Do you even hear yourselves?

Wow!

Theo, you are only marginally less full of shit than Johnson.

Let's ask someone with some skin in the game what they think, shall we?

"Regardless of the political differences and the substantive differences in the debate over health care, the use of Nazi symbolism is outrageous, offensive and inappropriate," said Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director and a Holocaust survivor, in an media advisory released Friday morning. "Americans should be able to disagree on the issues without coloring it with Nazi imagery and comparisons to Hitler. This is not where the debate should be at all.

Comparisons to the Nazis are deeply offensive and only serve to diminish and trivialize the extent of the Nazi regime's crimes against humanity and the murder of six million Jews and millions of others in the Holocaust. I don't see any comparison here. It's off-center, off-issue and completely inappropriate."

"Regardless of the political differences and the substantive differences in the debate over health care, the use of Nazi symbolism is outrageous, offensive and inappropriate," said Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director and a Holocaust survivor, in an media advisory released Friday morning.

San

Abe Foxman is one of the Devil's Inflamed Hemorrhoids

Now the Zionist Occupied Government of America has dropped their case against the AIPAC spies. Larry Franklin went to prison for this but you can't put AIPAC members in jail. You can't even take them to court. If you try, Abe Foxman is going to go nova and The Devil is going to start squirming on his throne and getting really annoyed and pull some strings in the places where he has the most sway on the planet. Those places would be most governments, most legal systems and certainly all of the ones in America and especially the legislative and administrative branches too. Once the Devil takes care of this, Abe will move on to something else which will lead to something like this or maybe something like this and the Devil can cut back on those Preparation H applications.

smokingmirrors.blogspot.com

If you can't see the likeness of tactics between the democrat party, Hitler, Mao, Stalin etc.

No, all I see is some desperate pathetic people flailing about hoping someone will listen.

But please, spell out the democrats tactics that are the likes of Hitler, Mao and Stalin and I'm sure you can be provided examples of the repubs behaving similarly.

Abe Foxman is one of the Devil's Inflamed Hemorrhoids

That's fascinating Bani.

Of course you realize, at best, you've given tacit agreement with these tactics? You know what that makes you?

For someone that claims so much enlightenment, you have a very long way to go.

Nazism and its symbols are NOT a metaphor for policies you oppose, or politicians with whom you disagree.

Tell that to that goddamn fucking cunt you call the "Speaker of the House".

For someone that claims so much enlightenment, you have a very long way to go.

On the bright side, not nearly as far as Mao has to go.

For someone that claims so much enlightenment, you have a very long way to go.

#159 | Posted by YAV

yeah, I know ~ it makes me Jewish, too...

These were my Abe Foxman choices for links ~ Yav

Which one would you have chosen?:>)

www.google.com

Which one would you have chosen?:>)

None of them. I would have taken the sentiment expressed and evaluated it.

I don't understand you, Bani.

You give support for these wicked analogies, though unintentional, just so you can take an opportunity to present your agenda. When you do that, it works against the very point you're trying to make.

you have a point Yav...unfortunately I chose not to speak well about Abe Foxman...my bad

Wish I could say it won't happen again, but I doubt it:>(

What can be said that's nice about Abe and his agendas of hate it seems to me?

Bani, I understand your point.

Tell that to that goddamn fucking cunt you call the "Speaker of the House".

#160 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao

Yeah, except the only problem is, turns out she was right when photos from the rally in question showed people carrying signs with the SS symbol on them... big as life. Bitch.

Two boys were walking home from Sunday school after hearing a strong
preaching on the devil. One said to the other, 'What do you think about
all this Satan stuff?'
The other boy replied, 'Well, you know how Santa Claus turned out. It's
probably just your Dad.'

Culture of hate, Master? I think you are confused from 20 years of listening to Rev Wright.

Who is rev wright?

Do you have a link to the vids? What was the context? Or is this like GreenDad posting two words from an Obama interview to purposefully give the wrong impression about Obama's intentions in the statement?

#124 | Posted by jpw
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Sorry, I'm a little late but was headed out the door to go to work when you asked for it.

www.youtube.com

Lonnie

Who is rev wright?e

Posted by RingMaster

Obama's former preacher friend who made the mistake of pointing out Mel Gibson's father like culture rifts in our media & society that 1 in 4 in American already know & accept as true according to Harper's Index anyway:>)

What a load of garbage. Listen to yourself Lonnie. They never had a chance to talk! Where in the hell is your head? These kinds of statements are nothing more then lies too. The fact is they could not possibly tell lies if they never had a chance to talk in the first place. Get off the soap box if you can't at least understand basic logic.

Do you know what the bill is all about? No, because you haven't read it either.

#130 | Posted by RingMaster
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All I need to know about the bill is that one Senator said he would put his dog on it. It's funny how Obama care is good enough for us yet isn't good enough for the Democrat politicians. If your smart maybe you should start asking why? Hey, maybe they should lay down in the bed they just made. They may just make sure it's a little bit softer if they have to deal with it too.

The communications did not break down until they attempted to lie and bullshit the public Ringmaster, if you wasn't such a shill you'd have seen that.

Lonnie

OMG...A FIGHT!!

How is this any different than what you rightards do to the wife after a night at the bar?

#79 | Posted by COMMONSENSE
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There is a hell of a lot of difference. I don't go to the bar and I rarely drink alcohol.

Lonnie

#114 | Posted by lwalk17 at 2009-08-07 03:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

Are saying you just punch her when you're sober? Ok.

Lonnie: another meth freak.

end your prohibition and we can talk.

until then and as for here and now: Universal Single Payer will, eventually, come.

#133 | Posted by ichiro
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I hate to burst your bubble but I don't do drugs and I don't drink so I'm not sure what your prohibition statement was all about.

I doubt it because Backlash 2010 is coming and if he can't get it by then, your probably not going to get it.

Lonnie

Who is rev wright?

Posted by RingMaster

You're kidding, right? Did someone log on for you?

Culture of hate, Master? I think you are confused from 20 years of listening to Rev Wright.

Who is rev wright?

#170 | Posted by RingMaster
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OMG, you don't know who Reverend Jeremiah Wright is? How pathetic, he was the issue for only 6 months leading up to the election. You don't get out much do you?

Lonnie

You don't go to the same church for 20 years just to be accepted in the community. You have to agree with what is being taught there. Unless you truly are a complete phony.

OMG...A FIGHT!!

How is this any different than what you rightards do to the wife after a night at the bar?

#79 | Posted by COMMONSENSE
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There is a hell of a lot of difference. I don't go to the bar and I rarely drink alcohol.

Lonnie

#114 | Posted by lwalk17 at 2009-08-07 03:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

Are saying you just punch her when you're sober? Ok.

#174 | Posted by COMMONSENSE
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Nope, I don't hit the wife. I enjoy waking up every day and she'd could really get even while I'm sleeping.

Lonnie

Most women could beat up Lonnie. Lonnie's best days are behind him.

Most women could beat up Lonnie. Lonnie's best days are behind him.

#180 | Posted by jackass
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Coming from someone who couldn't beat their way out of wet toilet paper, I guess that's a compliment.

Lonnie

Lonnie I was in the NG btw. So please don't try to shove your service down my throat. I earned the right to be a crazy liberal.

Obama just made a choice ~ Potomac...haven't you been following the CIA agent rumours?:>)

operation-
mockingbird.blogspot.com

O

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F

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Birthers will have to make way for Bonders, James Bonders.

Big tymers song bling bling

Birthers will have to make way for Bonders, James Bonders.

#184 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

I always like this book for ultimate Bonders...

James Bond Nabs Martin Bormann

What makes 'OpJB' such a unique book to read is the magnitude of the new gist it casts on events which have been extensively scrutinized by others authors. Starting from the name 'OpJB' which stands for Operation James Bond, a name which today is inextricable linked to a certain fictional British secret agent known as 007. Such a coincidence of names is by no means accidental and stems from the fact that the man who went on to become the author of the highly succesful 007 series, Ian Fleming, was in real life a Royal Navy intelligence officer during World War II, and is also a leading figure in this extraordinary non-fictional tale.

www.raoulwallenberg.net

Sorry Bani, not following.

what to follow?

that's what i thought.

Lonnie I was in the NG btw. So please don't try to shove your service down my throat. I earned the right to be a crazy liberal.

#182 | Posted by jackass
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Hey hey hey, easy big guy. I don't bat off that side of the plate. I ain't sticking nothing down your throat.

Lonnie

hat's what i thought.

#189 | Posted by Potomac

no tinnitus first?

speakin' of hats...

ong's hat

books.google.com

Sorry, I'm a little late but was headed out the door to go to work when you asked for it.

No problem. Thanks for the link.

To those who would put government above God : This will not stand

To those who would put God over government: Look to your Faith, It will be OK

We're coming

To those who would put government above God : This will not stand

To those who would put God over government: Look to your Faith, It will be OK

We're coming

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#174 | Posted by COMMONSENSE
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Nope, I don't hit the wife. I enjoy waking up every day and she'd could really get even while I'm sleeping.

Lonnie

#179 | Posted by lwalk17 at 2009-08-08 12:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

Then why did you respond to my post to begin with?

Obama just made a choice ~ Potomac...haven't you been following the CIA agent rumours?:>)

operation-
mockingbird.blogspot.com

#183 | Posted by Bani at 2009-08-08 12:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

I checked it out just out of curiosity. Seems totally legit to me. SURE!!! Especially the 2 BIG grammatical errors in the first 4 sentences. Yup....this 'journalism' wreaks of credibility!

Here's a taste:

Obama and mother both employed by the CIA?
The mainstream media sold us Barack Obama.
They sold him us a person who would bring about change. But they missed some things out.

This BANI is some wasted nazi thug - pay NO ATTENTION to his rambling BS. Anytime you see someone online mentioning ZOG or Zionist Occupied Government you know you are looking at the ravings of the Nazi Fringe Loosers!

"Illinois Nazis? I HATE Illinois Nazis!!"

- Jake from the Blues Brothers

backlash of this government use of union thugs and 'assoiciates'

There isn't any evidence that these "union thugs and associates" are acting on behalf of the government. Spin some more...spin some more...

with all this shit from dems, they may be sending that pendilum back the other way so hard it might come off the hinge..

And I'm sure the bat shit craziness of these "protestors" is going to have negative effects for them and their supporters as well.

#136 | Posted by jpw at 2009-08

please
letter shown from afl-cio...a union in obamas back pocket...wake up ...your naivte is showing

and of course you put protesters in quotation marks..

surely you thought the same of the nam protestors, the environmental protesters, the people in pink shirts, SHEHAN sitting with her 6 people on bush's lawn, and example after example of the left protesting busing ACORN in to PRIVATE HOMES of bankers,
the problem here is so simple
the left just hates to SEE THIER SHIT THROWN BACK IN THEIR FACE
well I mean who would like THAT but you know what I mean

(sorry for the CELISARY Impression)

the u.k. has the third larges industry in the world in national health care employees with 1.4 million government employed:

u.k. figures from daniel hannon, member of british parliament - who also has a great love for the u.s. and its constitution and is more an expert on our constitution than most of our own citizens!

the chinese military is one of the other in the top three industries.

#139 | Posted by nanc at 2009-08-07 05:59 P

lets look at some more of this REVEALING account

according to the same source

43% say great britan health care is excellant
problems as stated in the same suvey are
LONG WAITS for care
one case of ankle injury..painfull
patient ask for pain killer..DENIED.
asked if he could just buy one..DENIED
and was told to get back at the end of the line

hip replacement...11 months
herniated dick...9 months

(THESE ARE NOT MADE UP STATS)

23% of australians wait 4 months for surgery
27% of canadians wait 4 months for surgery
5% of americans wait 2 months for ELECTIVE SURGERY

and
SENATOR DODD>>..DONT GO TO ENGLAND FOR YOUR PROSTRATE CANCER

97% survival rate in us
77% survival rate in great britan

hannan also recounted "horror stories of elderly wating in rooms with little care of food in public wards.

WHY DONT THEY FIX IT

(AND HERE IS THE REAL PROBLEM AND REASON WHY MUST STOP THIS NOW)

Administrators OUTNUMBER THE DOCTORS.........

hip replacement...11 months
herniated dick...9 months

diSk
diSk
diSk

AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
HHHHHHHHHHHH

I am so sorry..........REMEMBER THAT THE S IS just above the C...

holy shit...are the amatuer pychologist going to have a field day with this...

The intended white-haired victims recognize the attempt to slip through stealth legislation that will deprive them of care necessary to extend life. The proponents of such legislation contrived to enact it without scrutiny.

The perpetration of generational genocide on the quiet has failed. I wonder how the old folks messed up by union and ACORN thugs will vote next time around. Revenge is more satisfying when savored cold. Hate and wait, and oust the Democrat gangsters from office. They certainly learned their tactics from the Nazi Brownshirts, the SA.

#144 | Posted by Johnson at 2009-08-07 06:31 PM

Johnson, you have it EXACTLY backwards. If anyone would have beat up a few of the Sturmabteilung at political rallies in 1920's Germany, perhaps the Nazi Party would never have been successful. Standing up to thugs and bullies is the REAL American way! Seriously, when the bad guys are busing protesters to your local town hall meeting, then you know the Republicans have nothing but this to offer. Bring it on, dickweed.

letter shown from afl-cio...a union in obamas back pocket...wake up ...your naivte is showing

So because the union supports Obama, and the union was involved in this little tiff, clearly Obama ordered it!

Stop channeling JeffnDouchemark with your leaps of logic and telling people to "wake up," your partisan stupidity is showing.

and of course you put protesters in quotation marks..

surely you thought the same of the nam protestors, the environmental protesters, the people in pink shirts, SHEHAN sitting with her 6 people on bush's lawn, and example after example of the left protesting busing ACORN in to PRIVATE HOMES of bankers

I have no problem with protesting until it becomes disrupting to everyone else. If these people stood outside and shouted their slogans and waved their signs, more power to them. However, when they begin disrupting the town hall meetings to the detriment of everyone else there, that's when I have a problem with them.

the problem here is so simple
the left just hates to SEE THIER SHIT THROWN BACK IN THEIR FACE

LOL sure that's exactly what it is. It couldn't possibly be that these rabid individuals are disrupting everyone else's ability to gain information most likely over some skewed interpretation they picked up from Hannity or Rush.

Unless you have some sort of proof that most of these people have read the bill and have real concerns that go beyond the "kill granny" bullshit.

#200 | Posted by afkabl2

You make the same mistake as most people when comparing our system to the Canadian or British system-you assume it will be the same.

Yes, now my naivete is showing, but I guess I'm not so cynical that I expect us to get the exact same thing and that no one along the way will stop and try to fix those issues when implementing a system here.

I have no problem with protesting until it becomes disrupting to everyone else.

you must be another young punk who thinks they know what protesting is supposed to look like or somethink but wasnt alive in the nam times...

the point being of course that the left used these same tactics for years and there was NO problem
but now its coming back at them..
HOLY SHIT>..we cant have this now can we..

and CANDIDATE HILLARY CLINTON

"dissent is the highest form of partriotism"

let me add...well unless we dont agree with it..

and as to the union thing

all you have to see is the FIRST violent meeting was the one with the large black me with shirts that had seiu on the backs.
thats supposed to be some coincidence

did the white house order it?
remember that rhom is a chicago politician.....or arent you old enough to remember the dnc convention of 68 in chicago?

you must be another young punk who thinks they know what protesting is supposed to look like or somethink but wasnt alive in the nam times...

While I was not a live during Vietnam, I do not think I know what "protesting is supposed to look like" but you seem to think you do. Why is it all of a sudden OK to use the reviled left's tactics, particularly from the party of morals and values?

And you do realize we're talking personal opinions here, right? Unless there's some accepted how-to manual on protesting that specifically lays it out...

all you have to see is the FIRST violent meeting was the one with the large black me with shirts that had seiu on the backs.
thats supposed to be some coincidence

Except the guy who seemed to be the most responsible was a white guy. Hmmmm that must mean it was BUSH who ordered it then...right?

did the white house order it?
remember that rhom is a chicago politician.....or arent you old enough to remember the dnc convention of 68 in chicago?

You have no evidence of anything, just innuendo. You're so rabidly anti-democrat that you'll stoop to JeffnDouchemark levels of "evidence" and then tell everyone else they're stupid because they don't believe it.

Then when all else fails, you point out I'm young (yes, you're right again, I was not alive during 68). Sorry to tell you, but using "I'm a senile old shit and therefore I know better than you" type arguments usually means you've got nothing to say.

the right is so pathetic it makes me laugh..

resort to outright lies to prevent an event occurring.

Mark my words there will be another right wing nut like tim mcveigh that will commit some kind of atrocity in the the name of Amerika and freedumb because the people running Amerika in their eyes are not true Amerikans..

Unless there's some accepted how-to manual on protesting that specifically lays it out...

#207 | Posted by jpw at 2009-08-08 12:04 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
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maybe axelrod can tell us since he put out the manuel on how dems can deal with american citizens actually speaking out against a president..

rhom emanual is known for cursing people out and using whatever tactics he feels he needs to
when he was appointed this was CELEBRATED by the left...

and glad that you admitted your age because watching all that nam protest on chronkite is more revealing than reading about it

an ENTIRE industry grew up around nam protest and that was seen as PATRIOTISM when crowds would do the same and worse against americans who supported that war.

and while on the subject when I was watching some of the violence I had a flashback...NO NOT THAT KIND>>>LOL

to the scene as I watched it live

from kent state.....surely we wont be seeing that kind of thing....

Sorry to tell you, but using "I'm a senile old shit and therefore I know better than you" type arguments usually means you've got nothing to say.

#208 | Posted by jpw at 2009-08-08 12:08 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
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I am sorry that I didnt read this before my last post to you
so if thats the way you want to debate this morning on this issue
I can play that way too

fuck you punk...........

(OKAY so now what did we accomplish)

Mark my words there will be another right wing nut like tim mcveigh that will commit some kind of atrocity in the the name of Amerika and freedumb because the people running Amerika in their eyes are not true Amerikans..

#209 | Posted by Legio at 2009

this is JUST what a congressman named baird said the other night

dont you and the congressman know that you are attacking the first amendment with this trash..

and that use of the "K" ..real original....

just stop for a minute and think about what you are saying..that the more people know about the govt taking over health care, the more people dont like and they are speaking out and you believe this could lead to someone killing hundreds or more

its pure nonsense....


Tell that to that goddamn fucking cunt you call the "Speaker of the House".

#160 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao

Yeah, except the only problem is, turns out she was right when photos from the rally in question showed people carrying signs with the SS symbol on them... big as life. Bitch.

#168 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

I've been looking for a link to this.

Do you have one?

Or do you just have the stupid Bitch of the House lying!

#200 | Posted by afkabl2

AFKA,

Obama and the Dems are exploiting the problems with healthcare to get a system similar to Europe's.

They are lying to themselves just like the Bush Administration did to get us into the war.

If we just fixed the problems with our health care system and take the ENORMOUS burdens off of the providers, we would have an even better system that would cost far less.

In The words of Limbaugh "I Hope He FAILS"

If Obama succeeds, we are all screwed.

they arent lieing to themseleve..
they KNOW they are lieing to us because the facts dont support them..
I mean obama says he doesnt know something about this reform

PLEASE...the one issue that can ruin him or reelect him and he doesnt know every detail of it

WELl you know on 2nd thought he might not..since he LACKS ANY EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE COMING in

and it seems that our charge during the campaign and even DEMS said it

we DONT NEED ON THE JOB TRAINGING IN THE WHITE house

but thats exactly the BULLSHIT we are getting

In The words of Limbaugh "I Hope He FAILS"

If Obama succeeds, we are all screwed.

#215 | Posted by Eddie at 2009

WAIT A MIN

you unruley, nazi loving, protestor.
dont you have a building to go bomb since congressmen and posters here say if you arent in on all this that you are talking like mcvay...

shit man...Ive got half a mind to RAT on you to the white house but I cant
I was told to shut the fuck up by the president and to get out of his way..

so sorry...but cant help you paint swastikas and bomb buildings
Ive got welfare checks from old people to steal and the homeless guy on the corner..I havent beaten the shit out of him in a while
YOU know what I mean....all those things conservatives do all the time

Without unions your children would be taught English online by Chinese teachers earning fifty cents an hour.

this is JUST what a congressman named baird said the other night
dont you and the congressman know that you are attacking the first amendment with this trash..
and that use of the "K" ..real original....
just stop for a minute and think about what you are saying..that the more people know about the govt taking over health care, the more people dont like and they are speaking out and you believe this could lead to someone killing hundreds or more
its pure nonsense....

#212 | POSTED BY AFKABL2

You are a stupid old bastard aren't you?

How the fuck am I even remotely attacking the first amendment by stating a prediction based upon past history?

I am insinuating that the right has no leverage or power at this point because a majority of the people don't agree with their ideology and methodology. The right are so cock sure their collective opinion is correct and the rest of the US full of shit they may instigate change in a manner that they feel is appropriate and to some, that is violence. The use of the K in america is to mock the rights attempt to color all things they disagree with as communist or socialist.

so if thats the way you want to debate this morning on this issue
I can play that way too

fuck you punk...........

(OKAY so now what did we accomplish)

Nothing but it sure was fun, right?

Seriously though, I addressed it because you seemed to think you were in the right due to your previous experiences when all that doesn't mean anything given the fact that we're talking personal opinions.

I disagree with the methods used by these "protesters" and am turned off to whatever message they may have.

I'm willing to bet I'm not alone.

When your Liberal friends become violent against anyone who show old-school American Patriotism, you write it off as "black on black" crime. BULLSHIT!

Our liberal friends? Fuck you're an idiot. Are you willing to take responsibility for every action taken by someone who like Bush because they're your conservative friend? Probably not...

You fucking Libs are losing. You thought that your kind of change is what the majority of the country wanted. Guess what? It's not!

Given these people were elected BY the majority of the country, it was THE majority that wanted change. Just because it's not exactly the change everyone wants doesn't mean anything but that.

I've been looking for a link to this.

Do you have one?

Or do you just have the stupid Bitch of the House lying!

#214 | Posted by Eddie

Yes Eddie, I have a link and I've posted it before. You should know by know I don't post stuff I can't back up.

Unlike you and your "84% of Americans think Obama is going in the wrong direction" fiasco.

LOL!

2nd know = now.

"Unlike you and your "84% of Americans think Obama is going in the wrong direction" fiasco."

84% of this American thinks he's going in the wrong. The other 16% isn't sure.

Unfortunately, I don't have a link to buttress that statement.

In The words of Limbaugh "I Hope He FAILS"

If Obama succeeds, we are all screwed.

We are already all screwed. Where the fuck have you been? Pluto?

Just another reason for more Americans to turn against unions -- rightly so.

Just another reason for more Americans to turn against unions -- rightly so.

Want do you want? Everyone on minimum wage with zero benefits? You think that will improve the economy? America tried that. Only Carnegie types got rich. In the end Carnegie had so much guilt he gave it all back to charity.

Want do you want? Everyone on minimum wage with zero benefits?

No. Why are you pushing a false dichotomy?

America tried that.

Also tried Unions... that hasn't worked out so well either. Time to try something a little more balanced and measured.

"Also tried Unions... that hasn't worked out so well either. "

Are you serious? 8 hour days, overtime, vacations, health care, workplace safety...?!? Unions work fine when management is sensible. And they take the blame when management is idiotic.

Unions work fine when management is sensible. And they take the blame when management is idiotic.

Gee... you say Unions are great but get unfairly blamed.

You opponents (according to you) think that management is great and get unfairly blamed.

The TRUTH isn't as cut and dried. BOTH are destructive when left unchecked. Management sometimes makes bad decisions on their own. Sometimes they make decisions under duress (Union pressure).

The fact is, Unions are just as subject to being greedy as any other group, corporate or otherwise.

Unions have played an important part in our history. That doesn't mean that they are all good. It also doesn't mean they hold the same place now as they did then. Labor laws have been enacted since Unions came along that now perform some of the functions that belonged to the Unions.

Only 6? Well, I guess it's a start.

"You opponents (according to you) think that management is great and get unfairly blamed."

Huh? Why put words in my mouth?

"The fact is, Unions are just as subject to being greedy as any other group, corporate or otherwise."

The difference is, there's a second set of signatures on any Union contract.

"Labor laws have been enacted since Unions came along that now perform some of the functions that belonged to the Unions."

And probably will have to in the future as well, if the undercutting of Unions continues.

Why put words in my mouth?

So you have never accused your opponents on discussions of Unions of advocating corporate greed? Seriously?

The difference is, there's a second set of signatures on any Union contract.

Signatures can be coerced. The fact is, when you are facing massive losses due to a walkout or strike you very well may sign even though the asking terms aren't fair if you think (right or wrong) the losses. That doesn't mean the coercing party has no blame just because the other side reluctantly bowed to the pressure.

And probably will have to in the future as well, if the undercutting of Unions continues.

Ummmm... that is what they were intended to do. The fact is, most of the things you mentioned are already enshrined in Labor law that will be here regardless of whether Unions survive or not.

I fail to see how "undercutting" Unions as they exist now is a bad thing. They just don't serve the purpose they once did.

The fact is, when you are facing massive losses due to a walkout or strike you very well may sign even though the asking terms aren't fair if you think (right or wrong) the losses.

Sorry... incomplete thought. Trying to type a response while talking on the phone. Here is how it should have read:

"The fact is, when you are facing massive losses due to a walkout or strike you very well may sign even though the asking terms aren't fair if you think (right or wrong) the losses can be offset in other areas. When that offset doesn't work out, management is to blame... but so is the Union greed that put them in that position.

"So you have never accused your opponents on discussions of Unions of advocating corporate greed? Seriously?"

Link or stink.

"Signatures can be coerced."

That's true on both sides, and no one can dispute management has increased its hand in the last ten years.

"The fact is, most of the things you mentioned are already enshrined in Labor law that will be here regardless of whether Unions survive or not."

Why? You never heard of rollbacks?

"I fail to see how "undercutting" Unions as they exist now is a bad thing. "

You probably "fail to see" any problems with the shrinking of the American middle class, either.

"When that offset doesn't work out, management is to blame... but so is the Union greed that put them in that position."

What a pile of shit. If money is ever an issue, the company can prove it, and an arbitrator can decide. This concept that the Union drives companies into the ground is bull. Take GM: give them the Toyota pay scale, and they still go belly up. And why? Because management decided over the years to give themselves bigger raises & bonuses, and kick funding for the pension & retirement plans into the future...today's cars. Yet the Union gets the majority of the blame, despite the fact management is responsible for 50% of the signatures on the agreement, and 100% of the rest of the decisions.

"You probably "fail to see" any problems with the shrinking of the American middle class, either."

Jingoism, eaten like candy by the Newt 'conservatives'and spread by shock jocks making hundreds of millions a year (over stances that actually undercut the well being of the middle class) should be proof positive that most of today's GOP membership don't know what's good for them.

"proof positive that most of today's GOP membership don't know what's good for them."

I know the Democrats on this site squeal with glee at the thought, but it's actually bad for the Republic not to have a strong alternative voice. We've seen one example of bad governance when all three branches are controlled by one party; we're about to see another.

All too often, the best type of government includes Congressional gridlock.

I agree with you on 'two parties'. However, today's GOP are very short on rational people who seem to care about American citizens in any meaningful way, so I'll pass on supporting them as a viable 2nd party in a 2 party system until they grow up.

"today's GOP are very short on rational people who seem to care about American citizens in any meaningful way, so I'll pass on supporting them as a viable 2nd party in a 2 party system until they grow up."

Agreed.

And we all suffer for it.

When Reagan came into office about 25% of American workers were unionized. Now it's about 8%.

And who has prospered? Certainly not the middle class.

I find it humorous and discouraging, that our national politicians would demean the American public because we do not readily accept everything they tell us. Why should we, after all they are mere politicians who are our servants.

The 'mobs' who are upset at the Town Hall meetings are only doing what the constitution gives them the right to do ... tell their "representatives" how they feel. Only their "representatives" do not care and will not listen. Has anyone considered for even a moment that all we are getting from either side is their own slants? We aren't getting the total transparent truth from either side, and what is happening is that people do not like it! The majority of folk want the entire truth so they can make a well-informed decision, and until they get it, they will be against it.

We are getting political BS on both side shoved down our collective throats and what the politicians don't seem to understand is - they work for us, not vice-versa.

That does not mean they are 'mobs', or carry 'swastikas' or anything else demeaning. Both parties need to back up, get a grip, and lower their tones, or it will eventually backfire on all concerned.

"The majority of folk want the entire truth"

All due respect, "the majority of folk" don't understand the magnitude of the problem. As proof, how many people on this blog -- of fairly informed folks -- address the intractable macro numbers? You know, the ones that tell us we're going from 6 payers for every user to closer to 3 payers for every user, all at a time when medical inflation is guaranteed to spike?

6 payers for every user to closer to 3 payers for every user

I hear ya, Danforth. Self-proclaimed economic conservatives don't seem to know the first thing about the health care economy.

Which is surprising since it's 1/6th our GDP. You'd think they might try to get their heads around it. But all they can do is scream "Rationing!"

As though we don't have rationing right now. As though further rationing isn't a foregone conclusion based on the numbers you mentioned. As though increased life span but the same retirement age doesn't have an economic impact.

I see no evidence of anything at all here other than one idiot maybe punching another at a political rally.

You'd think from the faux outrage that that sort of thing had never happened before.

#11 | Posted by Corky

So the big SEIU on the guy's shirt isn't evidence?

Did anybody else notice the union gomer with cigarette saying "He attacked America" after the lady says "You attacked him!". Is it OK now to rough Americans up if you perceive they are attacking America?

Great

We're coming

There was only one person in the video with a SEIU shirt - the slow-moving woman with the cane. I didn't see her roughing anyone up. Dude with the mustache who said the stupid line "well, he attacked America" didn't appear to attack anyone at the beginning of the video, either. All I saw was him pulling one of the guys off and away, and then the guy in the white shirt immediately yelling "you attacked him!".

The way Cockfish is trying to frame this is pure horse dookie fear smear.

#247 | Posted by scrumplet

The Health Care 09 has an SEIU logo on the back. Both the black guy who attacked the guy and ran and the big dumpy white guy that accused the guy of attacking America were wearing the Health Care 09 shirts.

Here's the link to back up my last post.

images.google.com

#249

Thanks for the clarification, Stumpy (I like to make fun of peoples' handles cuz it's funny, 101 made me laugh when he called me "Chumplet"). Anyhoo, I still can't see who's attacking who in the video. It probably is a SEIU dude being a dipshit. I have friends who do dipshit things sometimes. I don't condone it whatsoever. It's like the drunk friend who picks a fight at a rock concert. In my head I'm like, "what the fuck, dude's being a dipshit," but I can't do anything cuz he's 50lbs heavier and I can only look the other guy in the eye with a sad face hoping he'll understand and back down from the lunacy. Fuck violence, crack me in the head (but don't be surprised if you get cracked back from somebody else).

DEMS WORRIED ABOUT opposition being organized

HEY dems...maybe you should contact the EIGHT MILLION people you have on your datebase called
'ORGANIZE AMERICA'...

what a bunch of liberal fucks

notice the bottom

paid for by ORGANIZING FOR AMERICA

my.barackobama.com

You know, the ones that tell us we're going from 6 payers for every user to closer to 3 payers for every user, all at a time when medical inflation is guaranteed to spike?

Do you have any recommended links on the subject, Danforth?

How many were Obama's suck buddies from SEIU.
The scumbag union

"Do you have any recommended links on the subject"

money.cnn.com

www.parapundit.com

money.cnn.com

I wasnt there and I dont know all the facts..but.. the white union guys acted stupidly and this is clearly a hate crime against a black guy exercising this freedom of speach..but really we dont have all the facts.. *cough* hate crime *cough* racism..

We're coming

AFK, you can make Barack Obama your friend on Facebook and then you'll get his emails too!

Obama is getting desperate sending out the dem thugs. If he does not get this through he loses his 'street cred'.

I just can't understand the greedy fucks who worry more about their tax dollars than they do about other human beings health.

'I just can't understand the greedy fucks who worry more about their tax dollars than they do about other human beings health.'

We're just mean, borderline cruel. We worked real hard and saved some money and now we don't want to have to give it to lazy people.

Like you.

So who would you trust more to interfere with your physician's healthcare decisions? A corporate CEO looking to give himself another million bonus or a public servant?

We're just mean, borderline cruel. We worked real hard and saved some money and now we don't want to have to give it to lazy people.

Like you.

#260 | Posted by zulu

No you are a dumb fuck that likes to pay the insurance companies the additional 30% + profit margin over the cost of health care so you can pay more next year.

You don't get that you are already paying for the so called lazy fucks.. The insurance companies are stuffing your bill and WILL deny you coverage if you should happen to get seriously ill.. Bet on it.

This BANI is some wasted nazi thug - pay NO ATTENTION to his rambling BS. Anytime you see someone online mentioning ZOG or Zionist Occupied Government you know you are looking at the ravings of the Nazi Fringe Loosers!

"Illinois Nazis? I HATE Illinois Nazis!!"

- Jake from the Blues Brothers

#198 | Posted by Monstman

sorry I wasn't able to response sooner to this unimformed poster who has not posted since this libel.

Actually, lightning stuck the transformer in Hopkins after I posted to Boyd (Beleg) about being a possible 'Memes' which I found out about while reading the online book "Ong's Hat" while keeping up in DR last Friday nite/Saturday early morning.

books.google.com

Here it is again. I certainly recommend it for those who feel like that Abe Foxman might not extactly who he really claims to be in the public eye ~ for starters like Monstan ~ the wantabe blues fellow...ps I knew the blind fellow well in that movie ~ I was at his private funeral a few years back:>)

Also ps 2 lightning & thunder are another variations of tinnitus...lol

As for Commonsense suggested spelling errors shoot done the Obama/CIA agent revelations...gee, that's Commonsense for u:>)

let me know how many you find in this link ~ CS?

Obama Revealed as a CIA Agent

www.stewwebb.com

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