It's easier to scare older people than it is younger ones.

What is interesting here, other than the majority support after all the GOP scare tactics and the media hysteria, is that even though people like what they have, they understand that what they have is quickly vanishing, 14,000 people a day, and that what they have now will cost more each coming year if the GOP and the status quo has their way.

that's funny, corky - i've seen polls where 80% of insured people are quite pleased and wouldn't change a thing about the health care system other than a major medicaid/medicare overhaul for when they retire.

you do realize it is but a few who have no health care at all?

Kill Granma.

"you do realize it is but a few who have no health care at all?

#2 | Posted by nanc "

50 million is a few? You've been borrowing Vern's calculator again.

"It's easier to scare older people than it is younger ones."

It's also easier to convince politically ignorant young people to support a government giveaway without considering the substance of the giveaway.

"Politically ignorant young people".

Wow. No sweeping generalizations there. Good job.

50 million is a few? You've been borrowing Vern's calculator again.

#4 | Posted by LetUsPrey

And 20-30M are illegal aliens?

#6 | Posted by LetUsPrey

Perhaps you misunderstood me. I was not saying that all young people are politically ignorant (though many of them are). I was saying that those young people who are politically ignorant are easy to convince.

Doesn't say much for your generation, Joe. I suppose that you may be representative of a general lack of political astuteness.

But I don't think so. Younger people, other than Joe, are less afraid of change, as they have grown up with it, than people who have at least somewhat secured their lifestyle and lean slightly to the snake they know rather than than one they don't.

But the poll shows glaringly that even those satisfied with what they have know that they won't be able to keep it if the industry status quo continues.

Poll: 50 Percent Support Obama Health Care Plans

Poll: 50 Percent Support Obama Health Care Plans

BULLSHIT CNN had the poll come out the way they wanted it to for propaganda purposes. Where was the poll taken at the BORDER CROSSING for illegal aliens, Besides with Barry's numbers falling I thought liberals were not looking at anymore polling information...

BULLSHIT WE CAN COUNT ON...

#4 | Posted by LetUsPrey - closer to 45 mill and a good portion of them already qualify for some county program or another - they're just too proud to go apply themselves.

this is the biggest con game in the history of this nation.

""The survey suggests that around seven out of 10 Americans think that major structural changes are necessary to reduce health care costs or provide insurance coverage to all Americans.""

Translation: 7 out of 10 are for single payer, Medicare for all. The ONLY real fix for health care as our population ages and costs rise dramatically for Medicare.

Corky thinks a 50/50 split is somehow good because that's what the failed operation in Reykjavk left him/her/vagenis gender-wise.

"The survey suggests that around seven out of 10 Americans think that major structural changes are necessary to reduce health care costs"

Which means that 7 out of 10 should not be supporting Obama's plan, which the CBO says will not reduce health care costs.

If Cookie ever stops thinking about my dick, he might be able to compose a legit post again someday.

So less that 1/6 of the population (if you really believe that number) has no health care insurance [the care is there for them, they'll just get a bill]. Why destroy the current system to take care of 1/6th? Why not just expand medicare to cover them.

No,that wouldn't give the government the control that they are actually after. It's all about the control.

Your point makes no sense MSGT. If we put them in Medicare, which I too support, it would give the government more control not less though that is a paranoid dilusion you suffer from anyway. It is laughable to say that Obama wants to use health care to gain control of Americans. That is just plain crazy talk, you sound like a birther when you say idiotic things like that. Are you one???

virtually half and half and so now we know why liars like gibbs and obama and pelosi have to do everything they can to SHUT UP the opposition and to rush it through just like the stimiulus.
more time people have the more the numbers go down

and DUPES here continue to slurp this shit up.

kind of funny when you think about it
a group of people who will tell you they are the smartest sunsabitches in the world and they fall for lies everyday....

Translation: 7 out of 10 are for single payer, Medicare for all. The ONLY real fix for health care as our population ages and costs rise dramatically for Medicare.

#12 | Posted by danni at 2009-08-05 10:25 AM

"Kiss your dreams single payer good bye. Dems already took that off the table."

Within a decade it will be obvious that we cannot afford anything except a single payer system. The Public Option will eventually evolve into such a system.

Within a decade it will be obvious that we cannot afford anything except a single payer system. The Public Option will eventually evolve into such a system.

#20 | Posted by danni at 2009-08-05 12:02 PM

While possible, I highly doubt the Dems will maintain the same level of majority power for long. Good luck passing single payer with all those blue dogs and when the parties balance out a little.

The Public Option will eventually evolve into such a system.
#20 | Posted by danni

The public option will be the obstacle that single payer will have to overcome.

The public option will be a money loser if its not everybody in, nobody out, because it will begin with the poor who no real healthcare history outside emergency rooms, and those with expensive pre-existing conditions. If the healthiest among us maintain their private insurance, there is no pool of participants in the public option able to offset the above average costs of the aforementioned initial participants.

What I'm saying is that anything less, any piecemeal tinkering of the existing system is likely to fail and its legacy will be a stigma against universal health insurance.

... because it will begin with the poor who have no real healthcare history outside emergency rooms...

"While possible, I highly doubt the Dems will maintain the same level of majority power for long. Good luck passing single payer with all those blue dogs and when the parties balance out a little."

In our lifetimes, we'll see it. The macro numbers will ultimately leave us no other choice, especially after the baby boomers start retiring and medical inflation spikes through the roof. Best to get it started now, and work out the myriad of certain bugs before we're totally underwater.

50 million is a few? You've been borrowing Vern's calculator again.

#4 | Posted by LetUsPrey

nice job vomiting out the Obama propaganda, douche.

only 5-10 million are uninsured against their choice.

The rest are uninsured by choice ( mainly, recently post college people who have not opted to cover themselves yet)

Read the US census.

keep posting that number 8 because the left keeps telling that lie over and over and over

and at least I am seeing commericials on the schip thing trying to get people to take advantage of that...

In our lifetimes, we'll see it. The macro numbers will ultimately leave us no other choice, especially after the baby boomers start retiring and medical inflation spikes through the roof. Best to get it started now, and work out the myriad of certain bugs before we're totally underwater.

#24 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-08-05 12:18 PM

And my only point is that if Dems can't put single payer out there now with the immense power and political capital they currently have, how are they going to do it when the repubs regain some lost ground, even if they are still majority? Nevermind that they didn't even really try to put single payer out there; it was taken "off the table" well before our current debate.

#27 | POSTED BY LIVE_OR_DIE

R's and D's don't matter when it comes to single payer. The thing people are forgetting is that the Democrats are NOT even talking about single payer. Why not? Because they too are beholden to their overlords in the health care industry. Whether blue dogs or red dogs or green dogs come around, the two party system will always be indebted to the people funding their campaigns. Since the proposed new system keeps the health care industry in power, they will continue to make policy.

Anyone who thinks this plan is a step toward single payer is delusional. If the Democrats wanted single payer they could pass it today, or at least talk about it. Why wait for some indeterminate time in the future to even put it on the table?

This is a step toward shutting up the masses and letting the health care giants go about business as usual.

"I've seen polls where 80% of insured people are quite pleased and wouldn't change a thing about the health care"

Yes, and I have meet people my Whole Life who Despise insurers. They hate their premiums and deductibles going up every year.

Who are you Going to Believe? Your "Lying" eyes or a "poll" that doesn't mean jack!

"The rest are uninsured by choice ( mainly, recently post college people who have not opted to cover themselves yet)"

Talk about propaganda! You offer some of the Dumbest available!

So I imagine that when that "uninsured by choice" chops their arm off, they decline "by choice" to not go to the ED, where it gets sewn back on, and the Rest of Us Get to Pay for It?!
Not a chance.
They are there complaining about how long it takes to get their arm reattached for free --- and you are Protecting this irresponsible behavior, that comes at others expense.

You and nanc have to be some of the stupidest bastards in America --- either that or neither of You Pay for Insurance Now!

"anyone under 30 that isn't liberal doesn't have a heart. anyone over 30 that isn't conservative doesn't have a brain" winston churchill. slant the poll results depending on whom you question. if you read the bill (congresspeople will not) you will discover it is a complete take over of health industry with rationing.

""anyone under 30 that isn't liberal doesn't have a heart. anyone over 30 that isn't conservative doesn't have a brain" winston churchill."

That phrase has several variations, Churchill's being just one of them. They are all idiotic.

only 5-10 million are uninsured against their choice.

#25 | Posted by 8roper

What the hell... That's only the population, more or less, of:

Georgia, or

Tennessee, or

Washington, or

Colorado, or

Missouri, or

Arizona, or

Alabama, or

Maryland, or

Massachusetts

Ain't nuthin' at'all.

Hardly even worth a thought.

My guess is that 50% have never had to file a claim or don't have a portion of the premium deducted from their pay check.

#30

Rationing of what?

What services will be "rationed" (should be easy to identify in the bill since it's in such plan language as to allow you to make such an emphatic conclusion)).

Just so you know, the "services" will be denoted by a CPT code, and those CPT's will fall under a particular diagnosis code (ICD-9).

To me this sounds as Unbelievable and Ridiculous as Nancs claim that 80% are "happy" with what they pay vs. what they receive from their insurers!

First, Where did that number "50 Million " come from that have no health care

Second, IT"S NOT EVEN OBAMAS HEALTHCARE PLAN. As far as I know, it's not even written yet, SO who knows what the hell he is "proposing"

Can anyone tell me what OBAMA'S health care plan is?

Question for libtards:

Since hospitals are mandated to treat all comers to their emergency rooms, anyone who needs it today is receiving health care and the hospitals and the insured are covering the costs.

If we are already paying the tab for health care for most of the uninsured in one form or another, why did the Congressional Budget Office say that the Obama plan will cost over $1 trillion dollars over the next 10 years?

Can anyone tell me what OBAMA'S health care plan is?

It's the one we've been waiting for, of course!

--Bloc Headis

Oh, I get it!

This claim of "Rationing" can't be substantiated with evidence and as is the usual Specter of the "right" ---- remains invisible and intangible to everyone else!

This claim of "Rationing" can't be substantiated with evidence and as is the usual Specter of the "right" ---- remains invisible and intangible to everyone else!

#38 | Posted by Redneckville at 2009-08-05 03:42 PM | Reply | Flag

Kinda like the benefit of Obama's plan. What is the plan and why is it being pushed so hard?

Look at the internals and the sampling methodology. Apparently, the opinion of blacks matter much more than others in the eyes of CNN. The very first sentence admits to an "oversample of African Americans." Of 1,136 interviews, only 773 were non-hispanic whites, and 226 self-identified as blacks. Do the math. 226 divided by 1,136 = approx. 20% of those sampled were blacks. Yet blacks compose only 12% of the population.

You just gotta love affirmative action poll results churned up by state-run media. Dammit--it's just NOT FAIR that there are so many more white people than blacks. I demand social justice in polling! It should be 50/50! Right? Right? Anyone?

I still think we should have no public plan. We should just have assistance for people to buy health insurance who can't afford it. A lot of the expensive problems can be regulated, like what emergency rooms can do or who has to go to them. Right now all foster children have to be taken to the emergency room for everything, and the state pays for it, that's just dumb. Plus a lot of expense per person, is covering the people who are not insured. If you insure everyone, cost per capita should go down.

That's not the point of this. If only 50% support the plan, and we don't quite know what the plan is, then that means a lot of the people are making assumptions about the final state, or hoping what they want will be the final state, so they, like I do, support healthcare reform. Once the plan starts being finalized, the result will likely upset a lot of that 50%, and public opinion will fall off.

Poll: 50% Support Obama Health Care Plans, so ff that is the case then passing this Bill through the Seante should be breeze.

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Fools

this site itself is a good look into whats happening

some of you other SENIOR retorters can vouch for it
remember when it was me and about 4 or 5 others here who were posting
and now look through the entire site and read all of the others who are now in the fray to save america.
even the libertarians are upset as well as moderates
and its also the republicans who had better watch out as well
the thing libs here dont give a fuck about knowing is that at some of these town hall meetings, they are taking a hammering as well....just not as much because of the dem majority.,..

but to know that would mean that a lib actually knew something besides what RHOM told carvile and begayla and they told cnn and pelosi
who has given out talking points to all dems on how to handle american citizens

and another thing as I heard it on rush

I agree with his opinion on this matter

the blue dog dems..IF they dont do what rhom and barry say..will be in real trouble come election time.......already seen some of that with the dem senator who has had DNC ads against him in his state.........it will only get much worse for any blue dog

the bullshit is when they vote for this health care and then try and still tell us they are fiscally conservative.......and that would be a lie

Hey Willy,
Why don't you do the math for whites and explain that away.

I FOUND IT!!!
Obama's Health Care plan

54% Favor Middle Class Tax Cuts Over New Health Care Spending

Just 28% say they are willing to pay higher taxes so that all Americans can have health insurance. Sixty percent (60%) are opposed. Those figures are little changed since May.

Recent polling has shown that cost, not universal coverage, is the top concern about health care.

Who are you going to believe, Rasmussen or CNN?

Polling last week showed that 47% of voters favor the health care reform plan working its way through Congress while 49% are opposed. However, those who oppose it show more intensity: Just 25% Strongly Favor the legislation while 41% are Strongly Opposed.

Seventy-eight percent (78%) say it's likely the passage of health care reform will lead to higher taxes for the middle class.

Or you could go to Quinnipiac

American voters, by a 55 - 35 percent margin, are more worried that Congress will spend too much money and add to the deficit than it will not act to overhaul the health care system, according to a Quinnipiac University national poll released today. By a similar 57 - 37 percent margin, voters say health care reform should be dropped if it adds "significantly" to the deficit.

By a 72 - 21 percent margin, voters do not believe that President Barack Obama will keep his promise to overhaul the health care system without adding to the deficit, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University national poll finds.

American voters disapprove 52 - 39 percent of the way President Obama is handling health care, down from 46 - 42 percent approval July 1, with 60 - 34 percent disapproval from independent voters. Voters say 59 - 36 percent that Congress should not pass health care reform if only Democratic members support it.

How you going to believe Quinnipiac or CNN???

How about the Pew foundation???

By a 44% to 38% margin, more Americans generally oppose than favor the health care proposals now before Congress.

How/who

WHO are you going believe Pew...or CNN?????

The dr left as gullible and dumb as the day is long

Let me guess...

...its the same 50% of the country who think they won't have to pay for it.

And there will be hell to pay when they find out otherwise, after the fact!

Who can blame them really. I mean, who wouldn't want a free lunch?

Bendor the zero will just repeat this mantra..

"no one said it'd cost that much" or "no one knew"

"So I imagine that when that "uninsured by choice" chops their arm off, they decline "by choice" to not go to the ED, where it gets sewn back on, and the Rest of Us Get to Pay for It?!

You and nanc have to be some of the stupidest bastards in America --- either that or neither of You Pay for Insurance Now!"

#29 | Posted by Redneckville

Redneckville, calling others "the stupidest bastards in America" is like the pot calling the kettle black. Ever heard of an uninsured person paying for his or her medical care out of pocket? It has been done many times.

Those approval numbers are way too high. Typical CNN poll hype.

Question 1: Do you believe Obama's healthcare plan is:
a) Brilliant or
b) The best plan every conceived by the mind of a god...err... man.

Question 2: Anyone who opposes Obama's healthcare reform is:
a) An idiot
b) Grossly misinformed
c) A heartless bastard

Question 3: Obama's healtchare plan will help:
a) 100% of Americans
b) 99.99% of Americans
c) 99.98% of Americans

Just three sample questions from the "unbiased" CNN poll.

No so fast lefties. Here is report out today from Reuters showing only 39% approval for Obama's healthcare plan:

"A Quinnipiac University poll released on Wednesday found 52 percent of voters disapprove of Obama's handling of healthcare while 39 percent approve. That was a shift from 46 percent approval against 42 percent disapproval in a July 1 survey.

The Polls don't matter to Obama whatsoever. He's going to forcefeed his agenda down our throats regardless of what the people want. He could care less if he's a one term President, just as long as he gets to impose his socialism on America. I pray that after four years of his administration that we can recover quickly from his disasterous policies.

as soon as the people find out that obamacare pays for abortions approval ratings will plummet

It's one thing to approve of abortions, it's something completely different when the TAX PAYER PAYS FOR IT

Right now and over the last several years I spend more in healthcare than I do in taxes. That is money right off the top of my wage to consume and goes to only one industry. INSURANCE

It's one thing to approve of abortions, it's something completely different when the TAX PAYER PAYS FOR IT

The tax payer will be paying for healthcare, ALL HEALTHCARE and they don't get to decide what treatment people need and decide upon other wise I chose to make all religious christians to not get any care until it is exausted through prayer and only for life saving.

The tax payer will be paying for healthcare, ALL HEALTHCARE and they don't get to decide what treatment people need and decide upon other wise

How much insurance reimbursement did Tiller receive for his revenue from abortions?

Meaning, what % of his revenue came from insurance?

anybody?

Right now and over the last several years I spend more in healthcare than I do in taxes. That is money right off the top of my wage to consume and goes to only one industry. INSURANCE

Most employers I work with pay about 4-6 times as much for health insurance than taxes.

It's one thing to approve of abortions, it's something completely different when the TAX PAYER PAYS FOR IT

#64 | Posted by Maverick

The House bill, as it currently stands in its yet uncompleted form, would forbid the federal government from requiring participating plans to cover abortions, but would not prohibit them from doing so if they choose.

Most employers I work with pay about 4-6 times as much for health insurance than taxes.

And wow, they have a productive workforce that is not calling in sick so they can produce more....a novel concept.

The point was why not allow PEOPLE to deduct healthcare from their taxes it would solve alot of the problems...except regulating the insurance industry and price control.

"The poll indicates that only three in 10 of all Americans think the president's health care proposals will help their families"

That is the real headline...and it is obvious that a MAJORITY of the people in the US are fully against this.

As to those not covered....of Obama's statement that "8 Million Childern who now do not have health care will be covered under this plan" 6M of those WOULD BE COVERED NOW UNDER THE SCHIP program if they would only sign up!

A government plan is not the way to fix healthcare.

To fix it - 1) Remove mandates - this will allow policies to be written in line with who they are insuring 2) Allow policies to be written nationwide. This will allow diverse groups to have a taylored plan - and it large enough to spread the risk to the insurer. 3) CAP LAWSUIT payouts - make the risk a known quantity 4) Stop the advertising for lawyers ("If you took Viagra and had a headache and your dick was still limp...call us now at Dewy Cheatum and Howe")

These will do more to reduce healthcare costs than anything...Obama plan does not address the COST of healthcare ...only how it is distributed....redistribution of wealth yet again...

Tell Obama that this is America..not Zimbabwe

Older generation says " no way"

Younger generation " sounds good"

Lets let the more experienced lead the way not the young pups who dont want to work and have everything given to them. Wealth redistribution and government run health care = socialism stupid.

I am 30 years old and truly see whats going on. My generation is retarded and lazy as a whole. If we do what the left is pushing the US will no longer exist.

And the younger they get the worse it gets. We dont owe any one anything. How hard you work determines what you have in life not the goverment.

The cars thing is a perfect example. People are accepting taxpayer money to get a new car. If you couldnt afford it without the program you have no buisness getting a new car. It will be interesting to see how many get repoped due to default...

Wake up america. If you like the health care prop move to europe or canada. dont destroy it for the rest of us.

Read the bill. I am on page 550 and its scary as hell.

Older generation says " no way"

Younger generation " sounds good"

Lets let the more experienced lead the way not the young pups who dont want to work and have everything given to them. Wealth redistribution and government run health care = socialism stupid.

Older generation have healthcare coverage already and the younger generation doesn't.....hmmmmm!

Socialism....do you even know what it means...everytime I hear people say it I know they are ignorant to the fact of what it means because of their negative convoluted use of it.

And so, your CAPITALIST way is working is it?

I predict a win for the American people on this one.

The best line this week is a registered Democrat at one of these "Town Hall Meetings":

It took Obama 6 months to choose a dog for his kids and only 3 weeks to come up a national health care bill that he's cramming down our throats

What is so stupid about these righties is they just can't seemed to grasp that healthcare reform bill is going to be made in this nation and instead of trying to destoy it and be counter productive towards it they should be getting the stuff they want in it.

They will go so far as liking what is in the bill but because it doesn't come from their party they will trash it and try and destroy it not because of it positive benefits but because it is not from their party.

How backwards is that...

#75

Yea, that would be great...if it were true!

Exaggerations on both counts.

Older generation have healthcare coverage already and the younger generation doesn't.....hmmmmm!

#73 | Posted by moneywar

LOL!!!

Yes they do.

The younger generation are just deadbeats and won't pay for it.

Conservatives always seem to have something being shoved or crammed down their throats.

Socialism....do you even know what it means...everytime I hear people say it I know they are ignorant to the fact of what it means because of their negative convoluted use of it.

#73 | Posted by moneywar

So, tell me then. Does Obama and the Dems in Congress want US to move toward CAPITALISM or SOCIALISM?

#75

Yea, that would be great...if it were true!

Exaggerations on both counts.

#77 | Posted by Lisa

What are you talking about? I saw the man say it. Are you saying he's lying?

Ok. All the people in those townhalls were Republican plants... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!

Are you kidding?

The point was why not allow PEOPLE to deduct healthcare from their taxes it would solve alot of the problems

I agree.

Conservatives always seem to have something being shoved or crammed down their throats.

#79 | Posted by BetelG

The FACT that you choose to ignore is that the man is a registered DEMOCRAT!

Nice try with the attempt at humor. Too bad is backfired on you. What an idiot.

Does Obama and the Dems in Congress want US to move toward CAPITALISM or SOCIALISM?

#80 | Posted by Eddie at 2009-08-05 09:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

Merely moving away from STUPIDISM would be a nice start, though I'm sure the Republicans will object as they must cater to the base.

And so, your CAPITALIST way is working is it?

#73 | Posted by moneywar

Actually, it is.

It's all of the governement regulation that is making the cost of Medicine shoot through the roof.

So, tell me then. Does Obama and the Dems in Congress want US to move toward CAPITALISM or SOCIALISM?

I don't think they have even thought about it, I do think they KNOW the CAPITALISTIC system being used at this time is a failure and are trying to set up a better system to serve the people.

Oops, you mean you think this CAPITALISTIC system is doing just fine and great......no wonder you have to throw in the socialism misguided grand ideal of a economy into one industry. You certainly know the micro's within the macro's.

Does Obama and the Dems in Congress want US to move toward CAPITALISM or SOCIALISM?

#80 | Posted by Eddie at 2009-08-05 09:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

Merely moving away from STUPIDISM would be a nice start, though I'm sure the Republicans will object as they must cater to the base.

#84 | Posted by BetelG

The Libs say that you don't know the definition of Socialism and then when I say. Well, can I hear your definition? They give me stupid shit like this.

Bottom line, is that the truth is coming out and the Libs are slowing beginning to understand.

I posted a comment under my username--Merlinzmojo--and yet this site posted my comment under the name "Slicksterwilly" while the next comment post was attributed to me. While luckily I tend to partially agree with the post in question, it is, nevertheless, not mine.

There is something rotten at the Drudge Retort, and I'm removing it from my Google homepage. I would encourage all conservatives to do likewise.

#86 | Posted by moneywar

You see what I mean?

Could you just simply answer the FUCKING question...

"So, tell me then. Does Obama and the Dems in Congress want US to move toward CAPITALISM or SOCIALISM?"

Eddie-
re: The FACT that you choose to ignore is that the man is a registered DEMOCRAT!

First of all, I don't know where you get your
"FACTS". Secondly, I don't know why you think that there are no conservative "DEMOCRATS!".

A link to your "FACT" would be really fucking edifying.

Actually, it is.

Have to admire the truely blind ignorant, can't seem to do an honest evaluation when it violates they party worship opinionated ideals.

You making such a statement tells me you a waste of time. You're not honest or smart enough to converse with on this subject.

50% Support the new Health Plan....

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Pelosi! The Emperor has no clothes!!!

Eddie...you need to calm down.

The fact someone said it was not questioned. I am saying WHAT he said is inaccurate.

It didn't take six months for Obama to select a dog. They got that dog in April. Was that six months from the time he took office??

I am not crazy about this health plan but this man is continuing to spread more lies about Obama simply to stir up republicans.

Eddie-
re: "So, tell me then. Does Obama and the Dems in Congress want US to move toward CAPITALISM or SOCIALISM?"

#89 | Posted by Eddie at 2009-08-05 09:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

Just in an attempt to understand your tiny brain, where does China lie on this "CAPITALISM/SOCIALISM" field by which you understand the world?

And are they more black or white? More cool or hot?

Those are ECONOMIC system/styles and the fact that one facet of it is moving away from a freudal capitalistic failing to a more socialistic type of endever is far from your throwup tone of SOCIALISM.

Again I laugh AT you and your lack of understanding in the meanings of the words.

The fact someone said it was not questioned. I am saying WHAT he said is inaccurate.

#93 | Posted by Lisa

You caught me in the middle of one of my rants.

I realize what he said is actually not true, but it was the fact that he was a registered Democrat and mad as hell.

What really gets me is that these the Democrats in Congress need to stop these town halls. It is really hurting them. None of their supporters showed up.

Eddie-
Where do Obama and China lie on the UP/DOWN scale? The bad/good dichotomy? Tomatoes/no tomatoes. onion/not?

Mayo?...Mustard?

#94 | Posted by BetelG

You're afraid to answer a simple question and I have a tiny brain...

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Libs are having yet another bad week.

Again I laugh AT you and your lack of understanding in the meanings of the words.

#95 | Posted by moneywar

AGAIN!!!

ANSWER THE QUESTION!!!!!!!

You fucking coward.

Somewhere in the intersection of this binary code of your meager understanding of the world is God, Eddie, so it's very important for you to go through the list.

I am not crazy about this health plan but this man is continuing to spread more lies about Obama simply to stir up republicans.

#93 | Posted by Lisa

Actually, I think he's just an individual who showed up to town hall meeting with his Congressman.

Do you really think that this guy is a "Republican" plant?

Good luck, Eddie.

Adios

Eddie?

You admit it wasn't true but yet posted that on more than one thread??

Why would you intentionally repeat something you know to be false??

Does it help the current situation?

Haven't we had enough of this sort of thing already??

I realize what he said is actually not true, but it was the fact that he was a registered Democrat and mad as hell.

Speaking volumes, Ed, but I have not time to read them....

Good night blog.

Eddie,

I'm not going to speculate on who or what he was. That really isn't as important as what he is now doing.

You admit it wasn't true but yet posted that on more than one thread??

Why would you intentionally repeat something you know to be false??

#103 | Posted by Lisa

What I posted was true. What the man said was false.

You missed the point. The man is a registered Democrat and he is mad as hell that he's having this "Health Care" bill crammed down his throat.

Perhaps this is why the Democrats are in trouble with the health care bill. They are not listening to the people, the truth.

Ok Eddie, I get the point.

But watch..people are going to repeat that as truth!

Socialism

any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

Sounds like our current admin.
Read the bills the govt want to control it all.

And capitalism biggest flaw is the fact our currency is printed by the fed. A private corporation. That would be a monopoly which basically ruins capitalism benefits.

Get rid of the fed and go back to gold standard capatilism will work.
those who work hard benefit, those who dont are less fortunate financially. If you force equality individual greatness will become obsolete. I dont want to be a mindless drone of the govt and thats exactly whats happening.

How many of you that dissagree with me have actually read the 1013 pages? I think not many otherwise you would not be spouting your garbage. If you dont want freedom get the hell out of the U.S.A dont try and ruin it for all of us.

Eddie,

I'm not going to speculate on who or what he was. That really isn't as important as what he is now doing.

#105 | Posted by Lisa

So, you understand my point, then.

Millions of people in this country are mad as hell.

Lisa, please understand. This guy is not an isolated case.

Again,

1. do you really think he's a Republican plant?

Or

2. do you think he's an individual who decided to go to a town hall meeting given by his congressman in order to be heard because he's very afraid of the direction that the Dems in Congress are taking?

I submit that most of the Libs think that it's #1.

And what would that question be??????

You have convoluted the issue in its meaning that it is not practical to answer as of yet.

You are throwing out a tone of capitalism good and socialism bad and want to pin me down on such a conception.

How is your police force these days???
How is your fire department these days???

Is this a gross misconception as to your posting?

#108 | Posted by USA_revival

Thanks, USA.

BETEL and MONEYWAR fled. They are afraid of this question.

Truth/Falsehood is the only dichotomy Eddie cares nothing about.

I submit that most of the Libs think that it's #1.

Who gives a shit if one THINKS he is a plant, it means nothing.

How is your police force these days???
How is your fire department these days???

#110 | Posted by moneywar

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Are you serious?

Question: Are the Dems in Congress trying to move US toward CAPITALISM or SOCIALISM?

Lisa-
re: But watch..people are going to repeat that as truth!

#107 | Posted by Lisa at 2009-08-05 09:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

Eddie hopes they will. He repeated it himself.

I submit that most of the Libs think that it's #1.

Who gives a shit if one THINKS he is a plant, it means nothing.

#113 | Posted by moneywar

People who in defense of Obama's health care plan think it means something.

Lisa-
re: But watch..people are going to repeat that as truth!

#107 | Posted by Lisa at 2009-08-05 09:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

Eddie hopes they will. He repeated it himself.

#115 | Posted by BetelG

you dumbass! You're not even following the conversation. Lisa got my point. You didn't.

Eddy,

Why don't you just read and understand, I answered but yet again you seem to just want to rant.

I don't think either, they are just interested in fixing a failed system.

Lisa, et al.-
Lies in the service of fighting what Eddie defines as "SOCIALISM" and the defense of what Eddie defines as "CAPITALISM" are good lies, as Eddie defines it.

People???? You mean like YOU!!!

Why did you repeat a lie, Eddie?

You seem to like some lies.

Think about it, Eddie. I've got to go.

Are you serious?

What part of it do you not understand....oops SOCIALISM at its best!

Eddie,

I never said he was a plant. And again...who or what he is...I am not concerning myself with. I am not a liberal nor am I a republican. So to label him as one or the other doesn't interest me.

What does interest me, is not being truthful about facts.

People get angry every day over one thing or another but that does not give one the right to intentionally lie to make someone they are angry at look bad.

That is my point.

Calling a spade a spade is one thing...this is something completely different. There are better ways to handle ones anger.

Had he thought of just addressing the issue he's upset about instead of. Trying to make Obama look like a fool??

Eddie admitted the context wasn't true, BeteIg.

He's not spreading it as truth.

"I never said he was a plant."

Better no be breadfruit.

I don't think either, they are just interested in fixing a failed system.

#118 | Posted by moneywar

You're wrong about that. The system can be fixed. The conservative Democrats and the Republicans want to trash this bill and start over with something that the people want.

The people don't want this bill! That's my point, but no one in the Obama administration is listening.

Good! Limbaugh was right. Obama will fail and I hope he does. This Health Plan is not good! (BTW, I never agree with Limbaugh).

Anyway, we need to slow down and pass a bill that will actually fix the problems of the Health Industry. Obama has not even addressed the 3 main causes of Medical rates going up.

1. Frivolous Law Suits
2. The cost of Liability Insurance
3. Practicing Defensive Medicine

If these items are controlled. Cost will stop going up and begin to come down again.

But, if Obama addressed this, then he wouldn't get his Socialist Health Care Plan.

#126

I'm sorry..WHAT?

I know I'm blonde but even after reading that for the 4th time I still didn't understand that....

Eddie-
Your wish list is corporate driven only.It is the industry line. Why is that?

Eddie-
re: The people don't want this bill! That's my point, but no one in the Obama administration is listening.

What specifically in this bill do "the people" not want?

Do you really think that this guy is a "Republican" plant?

I'm sure the healthcare hecklers were a phenomenon that started spontaneously. They probably began with an individual. This individual's actions made an impression on a few others, and they went out and made a scene. This small, spontaneously-organized "group" has received a ton of coverage in the media - internet, radio, and TV.

It's spawned copycats who have no idea how or why the whole thing got started, but they want to be part of a "movement". The rightwingers in the media are all too willing to give these idiots coverage and amplify the phenomenon.

Stay tuned for the next episode of Republican in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex...

Can you name something, Eddie?

Ed, look, I really have to go, but if you could just name one or two things about "this bill" that "the people" don't want, I'd be glad to take a look. Maybe I'll even agree with you.

I'll check here tomorrow.

I never said he was a plant. And again...
#124 | Posted by Lisa

I know you didn't actually say this, I misunderstood something you said earlier when we were discussing the content of his message vs his demeanor. NM.

I think he's genuine. The DNC does not.

I'm looking for the video on Youtube. I saw it on cable news and it raised the hair on the back of my neck -- producing the rant you had to endure... sorry.

Can you name something, Eddie?

#132 | Posted by BetelG

you answer my question, then I'll gladly answer yours.

Had he thought of just addressing the issue he's upset about instead of. Trying to make Obama look like a fool??

#124 | Posted by Lisa

I identify with this guy (and the other "disrupters").

I don't want to make Obama out to be a fool, that is the last priority, but if it helps keeping him out of deciding what's best for US, then more power.

Obama does not know what's best for us. He's ignoring the biggest problems in the Health Industry that would reverse the cost trend. He Wants a Socialist solution and we don't!

If Obama was made to be a fool, then I think that some people are being driven to that. Hell, everyone make s fun of the POTUS, it's just that Obama is getting his a little early.

#134

But Eddie,

Wouldn"t it make more sense if that guy just talked about what he was angry about instead of misrepresenting a situation?

And didn't you say earlier that he attended with his representative or congressman or something.

I would venture to say that if we knew who that person was, knew what party he belonged.to, we would know if he were a republican plant or an angry dem....don't ya think??

Another problem that is driving up the costs is the medical record. The patient should be responsible for their own records. When you go to the doctor, you bring you record! They do this in 3rd-world countries and it works wonderfully.

Right now, every provider (doctor, hospital, clinic, drug store) has a different/redundant copy of a patient's medical record.

We lead the world in Information Technology and we have this!

Obama, again, does not address this.

you answer my question, then I'll gladly answer yours.

#135 | Posted by Eddie at 2009-08-05 10:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sure. My question was what actual specific items in "this bill" are you opposed to.

Your question had something to do with CAPITALISM/SOCIALISM, but please refresh my memory.

Wouldn"t it make more sense if that guy just talked about what he was angry about instead of misrepresenting a situation?

#137 | Posted by Lisa

Yes, probably... But, it's a free country. Different people express their frustration in different ways.

I would venture to say that if we knew who that person was, knew what party he belonged.to, we would know if he were a republican plant or an angry dem....don't ya think??

#137 | Posted by Lisa

I agree. But, I prefer to take it at face value and what I think is the truth. I don't think he was lying... Do you?

The patient should be responsible for their own records. When you go to the doctor, you bring you record! They do this in 3rd-world countries and it works wonderfully.

Well, what "works wonderfully" for "3rd-world countries" should definitely be copied here. Where the fuck do you get your information, Eddie?

Right now, every provider (doctor, hospital, clinic, drug store) has a different/redundant copy of a patient's medical record.

We lead the world in Information Technology and we have this!

Obama, again, does not address this.

#138 | Posted by Eddie

Obama's original plan had provisions for a centralized data resource for records so that wherever you went, doctors could access your previous records and treatment history to avoid such redundancy.

There was considerable wailing and gnashing of teeth amongst the DR right over that, at the time.

I don't understand what specific provision(s) in "this bill" you object to, Eddie. If you could manage to say what it was, I might even agree with you.

Obama's original plan had provisions for a centralized data resource for records so that wherever you went, doctors could access your previous records and treatment history to avoid such redundancy.

There was considerable wailing and gnashing of teeth amongst the DR right over that, at the time.

#144 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2009-08-05 10:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Indeed. I wonder what Eddie's objection to that was.

Eddie-
Seriously. I've stayed up way past my bedtime waiting for you to name an item in "this bill" that has your panties in a wad, and you can't seem to do so.

Eddie-
The truth is that you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. You are for freedom, and against tyranny, and that's about the depth of your political mind. You leave it to others to define those terms, even. "Libs" are for tyranny, and "conservatives" are for liberty. That's really as far as your thoughts go.

Obama's original plan had provisions for a centralized data resource for records so that wherever you went, doctors could access your previous records and treatment history to avoid such redundancy.
#144 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

Of course it will be centralized! There will only be one place to get health care!

You missed my point, though. What I was saying is that in other countries, it's the patients' responsibility to maintain their own records and that works better than our way.

"What I was saying is that in other countries, it's the patients' responsibility to maintain their own records ...

#149 | Posted by Eddie

For example?

Eddie-
You can't come up with a single concrete provision in "this bill" that you object to.

#151 | Posted by BetelG

I will engage in conversation when you do.

Go to bed. You're done.

Eddie-
I'm sorry. What was your erudite question, Ed? I said over an hour ago that I would be glad to answer it. (Seeing as you are completely incapable of answering mine)

For example?

#150 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

This is the way it's done in Iran. I was talking with a Doctor from Iran. He was educated here and worked in Iran for a while and now has a clinic here in the states for the last 12 years. He was telling me this. He told me that a large part of rising medical costs is that the Doctors don't have all of the information about a patient. They'll order redundant tests only because they don't have access to the tests done at the previous provider, or they didn't kinow about the test.

All I'm saying is that in Iran, the patient is responsible for their own records and it's a better method than what we have here.

#154 | Posted by Eddie

Uhm. Okay. I guess I'll just have to let that one stand on its own.

Eddie-
I surely hope you are encouraging your Republican representatives to put forward the Iranian health care bill to combat the nefarious socialist "Obamacare" bill of which you have no specific or even divinable objection.

#154 | Posted by Eddie

Uhm. Okay. I guess I'll just have to let that one stand on its own.

#155 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

That's why I'm saying that we need to sit down with the providers, the insurance companies, the drug and medical equiment manufactures to come up with a solution. These are the people who know the problems.

Betel, it is waaaay past your bedtime.

You're done. So are your leaders.

Eddie, Eddie, Eddie

Listen to me.

If they would simply make Medicare available to everyone there would be no problem.

A physician was on Greta van Sustern's show just now and gave excellent points as to why we should just expand the government's Medicare program to include everyone.

This physician explained how it's 1000% worse when doctors are forced to deal with private medical insurers, particularly HMO's. He said he NEVER had a government bureaucrat tell him what medical procedures he could or couldn't do when it came to Medicare but that was NOT the case when came to dealing with private medical insurerers and HMOs were the worst.

MEDICARE

You choose your own doctor

You can choose any specialist you want

Rarely is any medical procedure ever denied

You can go to any hospital of your own choosing

There is a $110 deductible for the entire year and then Medicare pays 80% of all the costs afterwards.

The monthly premium only increases by a very few dollars every year.

Medicare cannot deny anyone with a pre-existing condition

PRIVATE INSURANCE HMO's

You can only see a physician on the HMO's "approved list"

You can only see a specialist who is on the HMOs "approved" list

It's always a constant battle for physicians dealing with private HMOs as doctors are often forced to haggle with an HMO in order to get approval for medical procedures.

You cannot go to a hospital of your own choosing (unless it's an emergency). You must go to one of the HMO's pre-approved hospitals.

Deductible for the year can reach anywhere from $250 to $5000 depending on your HMO policy

Private insurance companies have no limit to how much they can increase your monthly premium

They can deny anyone with a pre-existing condition
______________________________
_________________

IMPORTANT -- when a physician, specialist, or even a hospital wants to make sure they get to stay on the "approved" list of some HMO, they are going to do everything the HMO dictates. The corporate headquarters of the HMO is calling the shots on your medical care, not your own doctor.

Eddie -- are you fighting this simply because you hate the Democrats and Obama and don't want to see them get any kind of health care bill pass? If you aren't then spit out the details of what you don't like about the proposed health care bill.

Waiting on you.

#142

LOL

Eddie!!!

Are you serious??

LOL

You would rather accept what that guy says after you have already admitted he's lied once...than see what party the guy he went to this thing with, belongs to, to see what party this liar belongs to??

I'm crackin' up here!!!

LMBO

I'm crackin' up here!!!

LMBO

#160 | Posted by Lisa

Yeah, right, whatever.

You are frustrated because there is descent among the Democrats and its growing. That was my original point. If you don't want to agree, then don't. But don't try this bullshit on me with this fake laughter. Comeon, you are hanging on a thread here.

" there is descent among the Democrats "

I hope they level off before they hit the ground.

Eddie -- are you fighting this simply because you hate the Democrats and Obama and don't want to see them get any kind of health care bill pass? If you aren't then spit out the details of what you don't like about the proposed health care bill.

Waiting on you.

#159 | Posted by CalifChris

Bringing up legitimate questions, like why is Obama and the Dems in Congress not even consulting the Industry, is NOT fighting.

You're right. I don't like Obama and the Dems in Congress. But that has little to do with the fact that they are screwing up and trying to cram something through that has little to do with FIXING the problems.

Do you really think that the providers and the insurance companies are going to cooperate? NO!

I'm concerned that my doctor is going to quit! There's not enough of them now!!!

there is descent among the Democrats

Descent is alive and well thanks to the teabaggers.

#159 | Posted by CalifChris

Medicare will go a long way in replacing HMOs. But HMOs are the problem to being with!!!

Get the Corporations out of the Medical Care. Return to the Doctor/Patient relationship from years back.

Obama! Please address the problems! PLEASE!!!

LOL

Eddie??

What do I care about the dems??? I am not affiliated with them!!

I AM laughing because You are reluctant to believe this guy was a plant...you'd have to admit your party is under handed too...that's why you would take this guys word over seeing who he was with to determine if he was a repub or dem.

Come on...answer the question....why would you take the liars word over his guilt by association?

Furthermore I would think that since you are sooooo positive that this guy was just an angery dem, you would be the FIRST person to want to see who it was!

LOL

I'm concerned that my doctor is going to quit! There's not enough of them now!!!

#163 | Posted by Eddie

Just go to a minute clinic in CVS and see a nurse practitioner.

Eddie

So according to your logic, everyone currently on Medicare (which also includes people of all ages currently SSI disability) along with every military veteran who has Tri-Care (a part of the Medicare program), not to mention the POTUS and VP along with everyone in Congress and all those who work for the government in any capacity are all SOCIALISTS?

According to Eddielogic they must be since they're receiving federally-funded health care.

What say you, Eddie?

PRIVATE INSURANCE HMO's

You can only see a physician on the HMO's "approved list"

You can only see a specialist who is on the HMOs "approved" list

It's always a constant battle for physicians dealing with private HMOs as doctors are often forced to haggle with an HMO in order to get approval for medical procedures.

You cannot go to a hospital of your own choosing (unless it's an emergency). You must go to one of the HMO's pre-approved hospitals.

Deductible for the year can reach anywhere from $250 to $5000 depending on your HMO policy

Private insurance companies have no limit to how much they can increase your monthly premium

They can deny anyone with a pre-existing condition

why is private insurance always being classified as HMOs?

not all private insurance is an HMO. I don't like them either but I understand they are more affordable than traditional plans.

Medicare will go a long way in replacing HMOs. But HMOs are the problem to being with!!!

Get the Corporations out of the Medical Care. Return to the Doctor/Patient relationship from years back.

- Eddie

According to Eddielogic they must be since they're receiving federally-funded health care.

What say you, Eddie?

#168 | Posted by CalifChris

Are you trying to change the subject?

All I want Obama to do is to address the problems that are causing health care costs to rise.

oops, blew it on the bold

Hallelujah! Eddie has finally seen the light. LOL
#170 | Posted by CalifChris

So you agree and the Obama plan is complete crap?

Are you drinking and posting tonight, Chris?

MEDICARE

You choose your own doctor

You can choose any specialist you want

Rarely is any medical procedure ever denied

You can go to any hospital of your own choosing

There is a $110 deductible for the entire year and then Medicare pays 80% of all the costs afterwards.

The monthly premium only increases by a very few dollars every year.

Medicare cannot deny anyone with a pre-existing condition

Is the public option going to mirror this?

Bringing up legitimate questions, like why is Obama and the Dems in Congress not even consulting the Industry,...

...Do you really think that the providers and the insurance companies are going to cooperate? NO!...

#163 | Posted by Eddie

President Obama called today's meeting with health care industry heavyweights "historic" and "a watershed event in the long and elusive quest for health care reform," despite the muted reaction outside the White House as proponents and critics wait to see how the plan actually develops.

not all private insurance is an HMO. I don't like them either but I understand they are more affordable than traditional plans.

#169 | Posted by eberly

Chris was comparing Medicare to HMOs.

And most doctors are not taking Medicare, so that plan is shot all to hell. Oh! That's Obama's plan.

I have a high deductible insurance plan. I have a medical savings account that pays for the sundries that go toward the deductable.

I medical expenses are far less than if a had a plan with full coverage.

I'm satisfied with what I have and I don't want anything else.

" why is(sic) Obama and the Dems "

Pass elementary English grammar and get back to us.

Obama Has Met At Least 27 Times With Private Health Care Industry Executives

www.huffingtonpost.com

#175 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

Can you tell me why he's not listening to them?

despite the muted reaction outside the White House as proponents and critics wait to see how the plan actually develops.

#175 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

And we see what came out of that... Nothing.

I AM laughing because You are reluctant to believe this guy was a plant...
#166 | Posted by Lisa

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

The truth finally comes out. You DO think he was a plant.

How much is he getting paid?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

Stop listening to Obermann and the DNC.

No response to #166, Eddie?

All I want Obama to do is to address the problems that are causing health care costs to rise.

What,Eddie, what do you think they're trying to address with this health care bill? Duh.

At least the Democrats seem to be trying to work on another option for millions who have been priced out of being able to afford private medical insurance by offering them a much less expensive option with this proposed federally funded health care bill. It will likely need a few revisions before it's finalized, but you have to at least start somewhere don't you?

But you and everyone on the far right along with the CEOs of profit-making private insurance companies are trying to do your damndest to make sure that doesn't happen.

Can you tell me why he's not listening to them?

#178 | Posted by Eddie at 2009-08-05 11:49 PM

Specifics, Eddie, give me some specifics.

You're woefully lacking in details.

No response to #166, Eddie?

#181 | Posted by Lisa

You are stretching this way too much.

Tell me Lisa, how much are these 1000's of plants all over the country being paid?

Maybe Eddie went to bed, Lisa.

I sometimes get the feeling he's not more than 16 yo and that the both of us are getting our leg pulled here. lol

Tell me Lisa, how much are these 1000's of plants all over the country being paid?

#184 | Posted by Eddie

One only has to read a few posts here on the DR from folks like Aflacabibble, Zeitie, UTACustodialStaff, and several others to realize that there are LOTS of zealots out there who would do it for nothing.

oops, spoke too soon. He's baaaack.

LMBO

OMGosh...this is too funny!

One more time Eddie....I don't care what or who he is but your reluctance to look to see who he was with is causing me to believe YOU KNOW HE IS!!!

Then you go around challenging people to say THEY think he is!!

LMBO

This is hysterical.

You do realize you are twisting in the wind, don't you??

Lol

I sometimes get the feeling he's not more than 16 yo and that the both of us are getting our leg pulled here. lol

#185 | Posted by CalifChris

I sometimes get the feeling he's a spoofer, except that a good spoofer needs to be clever and well-informed, and well...

And if he's only 16 he must be pretty strong, what his carrying those goal posts all over the field.

What,Eddie, what do you think they're trying to address with this health care bill? Duh.

#182 | Posted by CalifChris

Duh! Really?

Are you guys really going to trust these assholes in Congress?

The bill is designed to get rid of insurance companies. Do we really want to do this?

The Insurance companies are a part of the problem, but the real problems are the ones I've been discussing above and the bill does not even address this.

Bottom line. This bill is bullshit. It's a power grab by the government and I don't want it, personally. I have 150,000 people who believe as I do.

All my life my personal physician has been part of my family; A long term relationship; Cash and carry.

Specialists get the insurance.

I've had four doctors since 1953.

The rest of you can just die for all I care.

Deal with it.

This is hysterical.

You do realize you are twisting in the wind, don't you??

Lol

#188 | Posted by Lisa

I see you doing this.

Comeon, let it go.

LMBO

Has anyone seen me claim that guy is a plant??

Lol

Eddie? Produce a post where I said that? Or implied anything other than YOU know he is!

If I thought or cared, I'd have been screaming it from thread to thread that he was...just like you were doing with his lies!!

LOL

My side hurts....stop now!!!

his carrying those goal posts all over the field.

#189 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

You came in the middle of the conversation, changed the subject, then accuse me of moving the goal posts.

Hmmm.....

personally, I have 150,000 people who believe as I do.

#190 | Posted by Eddie at 2009-08-06 12:01 AM

Yeah, and millions of people who believe otherwise.

I didn't change the subject you l'il goal post mover you.

"Has anyone seen me claim that guy is a plant??"

Some plants are quite enjoyable.

Rutabaga for example.

Eddie? Produce a post where I said that?

My side hurts....stop now!!!

#193 | Posted by Lisa

#166: You are reluctant to believe this guy was a plant...

you said it.

I have 150,000 people who believe as I do.

#190 | Posted by Eddie

He makes Sybil look like a piker.

I didn't change the subject you l'il goal post mover you.

#196 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2009-08-06 12:06 AM | Reply | Flag: Sweet on Eddie

Boyd was right...you don't like answering questions.

That seat a little too hot for ya??

LOL

"I have 150,000 people who believe as I do."

I suspect 0.0025% of the planet's human population probably believes anything you can think of.

Of course that's 0.000025% of the conscious ones.

#196 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2009-08-06 12:06 AM | Reply | Flag: Sweet on Eddie

#200 | Posted by Eddie

Ah, Eddie's standard deflection of last resort. Generally brandished right after he's been whacked on the nose repeatedly with a rolled up newspaper by multiple posters.

Time to join the unconscious ones; At least until the dreams come.

Night.

The bill is designed to get rid of insurance companies. Do we really want to do this?

I don't think so. Wall Street would have responded by now.

LMBO!!!

Eddie....I was refering to YOU and what YOU must KNOW!!

Come on...share with the class brother!!

LOL

Is it me or does Eddie have a reading comprehension problem?!

I posted #205 for all of you.

For those of you who think that this will be taking huge profits away from insurance companies, then why has the stock price of the nation's largest insurance company remained relatively flat since the first of the year in the face of all of this?

God love ya Eddie!!

I've been laughing so hard tears are smearing my mascara!!

You're OK Eddie...even though you deflect instead of answering questions!

Danni's earlier post deserves a repeat

Translation: 7 out of 10 are for single payer, Medicare for all. The ONLY real fix for health care as our population ages and costs rise dramatically for Medicare.

#12 | Posted by danni at 2009-08-05 10:25 AM

Medicare is a good program. It never let my folks down once and they were able to visit any doctor and/or specialist they needed. They paid their monthly Medicare premium sand then paid out of pocket for a private medical insurance policy to cover the remaining 20% of the costs not covered by Medicare

Expand the Medicare program to include everyone of any age. Let those who are satisfied with their current private medical health insurance plan continue using it. Then everyone's happy.

Zat,

I don't like ruttabaga or how ever it's spelled...lol... see?? I don't know how to spell it, it's never made my grocery list!

Well that's it for us here...going to bed.

Sweet dreams!

Ciao

Lisa

That idea you and Wisgod spoke of -- having a single thread devoted to fixin' things around the house, cooking, gardening, or whatever sounded like a great idea.

You could give your thread some catchy title and keep it the same every week so we'd all know where to find it. And make it clear to everyone there's be "NO politics allowed" on the thread. LOL

there's = there'll

Ciao to you too, Lisa.

I'm outta here for awhile myself. Lot's to do.

Chris,

Sounds great!

But it's not MY thread it's OUR thread.

Any suggestions?

Bringing up legitimate questions, like why is Obama and the Dems in Congress not even consulting the Industry,...

Because the industry is the problem itself. The industry isn't interested in providing healthcare to the masses, the industry is interested in serving as few as possible with maximum profit.

Any suggestions?

- Lisa

Maybe just start off with a recipe or two, a few around the house "fix it" suggestions, guys can throw in some tips on car repairs, you can talk about gardening, or a good book you just read, a handy tool to buy if you need to do a specific job, photography -- you name it. Pretty much anything except for news, politics, religion etc. The more serious subjects should be left for discussion on the other threads.

I think once you get it started then it'll take off on its own once everyone comes in with their own ideas and/or questions. I'll probably do more reading on there than contributing so I'll be looking forward to getting some good suggestions anyone may have to throw in.

My last tip was a couple years back which I got from Larry who told me to get rid of ants by using 20 Mule Team Borax. Ants used to come in the house from the outside when the weather would get blazing hot. His idea worked like a charm. Speaking of which, tell Larry to get his butt back here to DR. lol

Cali hsve you considered where to move yet?? Laredo is going to be 106 all week.

Chris:

Sounds like that would be a fun thread. Someone is going to need to take charge of it though...not me. My time here is going to be very limited feom now on.

Larry will not come back. I don't blame him.

Anyway....I suggest you, Wisgod or Nanc take charge of that idea.

We suggested doing it so that we could get away from all the insults in other threads. I hope that people respect the intent of it and keep those other topics out!

I will pursue my enemies to the ends of the earth. I will promote liberalism by any means necessary.

"I will pursue my enemies to the ends of the earth. I will promote liberalism by any means necessary."

That will teach them not to sully the name, "JackAss"

We suggested doing it so that we could get away from all the insults in other threads. I hope that people respect the intent of it and keep those other topics out!

Why don't you just start your own website.
Seems to me if you don't want to be insulted,don't post on the DR.
Don't get me wrong,I love Martha Stewart(in ways you don't want to know)but when you post here,you pretty much know what's coming

Come on Ja, when will you accept the dark side? I am your father....

Bruce says, "... when you post here,you pretty much know what's coming."

It's like a Purple Heart, a badge of honor ...

Beachbuzz then why won't you put your faith in govt? I'd rather give up half my salary in Taxes and receive govt housing and healthcare.

a Purple Headed Badge of Honor....just ask Betleg. He has been taking badges of Honor up his ass since 1989...

a badge of honor

Well.I wouldn't go that far.
Kinda more like "glutton for punishment"
Right Tadowe

Beachbuzz then why won't you put your faith in govt? I'd rather give up half my salary in Taxes and receive govt housing and healthcare.

#226 | Posted by jackass at 2009-08-06 02:24 AM | Reply

Really? I don't believe that. You would rather give up your nice apartment for HUD housing?

You can't be serious.

Why would you even dream about that?

To save the common man?

To save him, you better suck up some seriously deadly CO2.

Bruce asks, "Kinda more like 'glutton for punishment' Right Tadowe"

Well, I'm sure that the Democrat party fascists think so, however, I've made that my point, from the very first post I made here:

That the Democrat Yello-Dogs are incapable of replying in any other manner than ad hominem.

Indeed, they make that point for me every time I post on this site ...

Not only are the attacks a badge of honor, but they confirm my opinion of just what kind of scum infests the body politic; calling themselves "Democrats" ...

If taxes go way up we can all get equal goods and services. That to me is fair.

Red meat for Yellow dogs

People don't need SUV's or flat screen tv's. Heck all we need is food shelter and clothing. In the USSR martial arts training was free of charge for everybody. What more do you need?

Heck all we need is food shelter and clothing

Feeding pens?

Bruce notices, "Red meat for Yellow dogs"

Exactly! This is a place where intransigent zealots can be spoon-fed their propaganda and gin up their hatemongering for votes.

Rogers is the master and provides most of the kibbles for his slavish pack of puling progressives ...

Are you 1, 2?

If taxes go way up we can all get equal goods and services. That to me is fair.

#232 | Posted by jackass at 2009-08-06 02:37 AM |

All is fair in love and war...I make X and you want Y to get my money? Sounds like socialism to me.

Why should Y get my hard earned money when they have done NOTHING to earn my damn fucking money? See how it works?

If THEY are to dumb or stupid to earn a buck then fuckem...

See how it works?

Tad,

What have you ever said that would lead people to think you are sincere and honest?

Everytime I see your posts they are nothing but gobblygoop double talk of nothingness.

Now I'm pissed.....

Beachbuzz you have got the idea. Redistribution of wealth is whats needed. There is a lot of reasons why people can't obtain goods and services. Lazy usually isn't the case. Maybe they were discriminated against? Maybe they weren't able to attend school for financial reasons. You never know.

Why is healthcare different than police protection?
Why is healthcare different than fire protection?

Having a healthy society is having a healthy economy and am boggled as to why people think that's not the case.

Are you 1, 2?

Well,I am drinking gin

#241 | Posted by moneywar

Most poignant post of the year,if ever

Beachbuzz you have got the idea. Redistribution of wealth is whats needed. There is a lot of reasons why people can't obtain goods and services.

Holy Goddamn Jesus Christ...JA You are insane right now.

What "wealth" are you spreading around?

I make good money, are you saying I should give you some kick backs?

Money wonders, "What have you ever said that would lead people to think you are sincere and honest?"

Why should I care about what pack of party slaves thinks about me? Whatever the content of disagreement I have with whining, ball-lapping yellow dogs will be reviled and dismissed, whether sincere, honest or not.

"Everytime I see your posts they are nothing but gobblygoop double talk of nothingness."

You're a prime example, right here and right now!

These dupes and stooges of Democrat party hatemongering are definitely UNCONSCIOUS, of that there is no doubt!

Most poignant post of the year part deux...

Well,I am drinking gin

#242 | Posted by bruceaz at 2009-08-06 02:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

Yep...Bruce is fucked up once again and making NO FUCKING SENSE. I'm sure his kids are proud. Bruce needs an intervention!

These dupes and stooges of Democrat party hatemongering are definitely UNCONSCIOUS, of that there is no doubt!

Tadowe - seriously, I am ready to fucking explode!

Bruce admits, "Well,I am drinking gin"

Check in with Doc Sarvis, he likes French 75 when caressing his ram's horn. They say that gin was the original mix with champagne for the French 75.

Do you caress your horn when it is filled with gin?

Tad,

So why do you post here?

Just trying to troll and get people upset?

If you have a difference of opinion why not post that difference and support it, it makes a much more friendly environment.

...Bruce is fucked up once again.

Bruce needs an intervention!

Yep,I'm totally incoherant.Please explode!
.

I agree that this democratic party of missfits are lazy do nothings but why not just state that. Instead you throw out a bunch of non-specific double talking words.

It really serves no purpose.

Do you caress your horn when it is filled with gin?

Seems like a simple question. An answer of YES or NO would sufice.

Buzz is excited....Bruce gave up the DNC splender...

Mod says, "... why not just state that. Instead you throw out a bunch of non-specific double talking words. It really serves no purpose."

Well, I'm usually criticized for being too direct. However, I sometimes get patronizing comments from supercilious jerks who want to dictate how and what content I should use in my commentary.

In their way, they are far worse than the relatively 'honest' yellow-dogs who perform to type. They are much more subtle and worm their way into positions of authority where they think they can order others around.

Buzz is excited!
Hurray!

Bruce gave up the DNC splender...

I learned this format from my mentor Tosser,hehehe

Tadowe,
It says right at the top of my screen "Red Meat For Yellow Dogs"

Not sure where you are?

Sorry, the last post should be addressed to Moneywar, not Mod8.

Money is the supercilious jerkoff.

Bruce maunders, "It says right at the top of my screen 'Red Meat For Yellow Dogs' Not sure where you are?"

Is that like, "No shirt, no service?"

Is this some exclusive and private club that others may not comment in or about, unless you are a ball-lapping yellow dog?

I wonder why Money isn't criticising your obscure insults?

Would it be impolite to ask for a complete list of psychotropic drugs some posters here are on?

Do you caress your horn when it is filled with gin?

No, tonight you've been caressing mine,

Hey,we're just having fun dude.

If not,go make a sign and protest someplace

Would it be impolite to ask for a complete list of psychotropic drugs some posters here are on?

Why, you want to compare?

Bruce wishes, "No, tonight you've been caressing mine"

Whoa! You're not my type, Bruci ... I go for the non-slavish sort who can think for themselves, and not regurgitate Democrat fascist party pap to the puling progressives.

Try Doc Sarvis, he caresses his horn when filled with French 75. You gin guzzlers should caress together collectively, don't you think?

If taxes go way up we can all get equal goods and services. That to me is fair.

#232 | Posted by jackass
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FAIR? Really? So if you are working in a job and your putting forth most of the effort to make things work, you really don't want to be paid for your effort?

Better yet, if you invented a product that people use, do you really think it's fair to get paid the same amount as the people who produce your product?

I don't know about you, but I'd better be getting all of the profits for my product. If I'm the most experienced worker for my company and I'm putting in the most effort, you can bet your ass I'm going to be drawing more money than you. effort = reward. You can't get around that.

Lonnie

Tadowe,
Its brucee,not Bruci
(yu funny)

Is this some exclusive and private club that others may not comment in or about

If you're looking for everyone to say "Gee Tawdi(Tawdee) you are absolutely right,thereare other sites,or you could just tell your mom.

Did I have a gin tonight or didn't I?

Have I been ssssslurring my words?

Everybody knows so much!

Bruce...love yer kids and move on man.

I can sit here all night and bitch slap you....

but I won't...cause I see some good in you...

Bitch slap?
Post 253?

You gave me some tongue,compared to Tadowe(whom I have a modicum of respect for)

Would it be impolite to ask for a complete list of psychotropic drugs some posters here are on?

Not only impolite to ask but tremendously time consuming to answer as well.

:>P

Be Well.

Ask away Spud...ask away....

Whoa! You're not my type, Bruci ... I go for the non-slavish sort who can think for themselves, and not regurgitate Democrat fascist party pap to the puling progressives.

#262 | Posted by tadowe

And since, by your standards, NO ONE fits that descriptions except you, well . . .

Great to see all the trolls out in force. The wonderful part is how they don't even have to get on a bus with their other troll friends to bust up a health care meeting. They just type away in their parent's basement.

BOGUS POLL.

How can 50% of the population approve of a health care plan they know nothing about?

Has the US population read all 1000 pages?

Our elected official haven't even read all 1000 pages.

Obama doesnt even know the entirety of what he is promoting.

The poll probably asked the question...do you want healthcare reform?

This is all about control. Nothing more.

How can 50% of the population approve of a health care plan they know nothing about?

ideology. it can drive the support of anything.

Has the US population read all 1000 pages?

certainly not. Do think the people pushing this WANT them to?

Obama doesnt even know the entirety of what he is promoting.

I'm sure that when details of the plan are known then the left will let Obama make that excuse.

In any case, all of those meetings with "health care executives". makes me wonder, the last time our govt made a significant change in health care was the prescription drug program for Medicare.

It was promoted as a good thing for seniors and later, we learned that the drug companies authored the bill.

Who is authoring this one?

last night I posted that Aetna's stock price hasn't fallen since the first of the year despite the belief that their profits and salaries are threatened with a public option plan.

Are they??????

The poll probably asked the question...do you want healthcare reform?
#272 | Posted by ChiTownGuy

If you'd bothered to actually read the article you'd know there's a link that provides you with all of the questions asked by the pollsters. Sheesh.

You know, when a vehicle has a problem, our first inclination is to find the particular issue and repair it.. we do not take it to the shop with the idea of trashing it and having a complete new vehicle designed for us... especially if the shop is to determine how that new vehicle is created without any regard to what it will cost me or even if it will serve my needs... it is simply that the breakdown of the vehicle should be identified and serviced so that the entire vehicle will ride smooth again and get me where I need to go and simply support my needs... I do not need an entirely new and 'secret' replacement car to substitute an engine overhaul..!!!!

One other item....we ordinarily would not take our vehicle to a mechanic who had never driven a car, and whose only knowledge of transportation was to be chauffeured around...

Danni's earlier post deserves a repeat

Translation: 7 out of 10 are for single payer, Medicare for all. The ONLY real fix for health care as our population ages and costs rise dramatically for Medicare.

#12 | Posted by danni at 2009-08-05 10:25 AM

OMG! No it doesn't!

Do you really think that 70% of the country wants this plan?

Let me ask you something... Does the other 30% make up seniors because they HAVE medicare.

Do you really think that this guy is a "Republican" plant?

I used to post at a forum at Slate for about 6 years. I was accused of being a plant several times, as were others. The funny thing was that it always seemed to be the left accusing the right of this. I don't recall ever seeing it the other way around.

Obama's original plan had provisions for a centralized data resource for records so that wherever you went, doctors could access your previous records and treatment history to avoid such redundancy.

There was considerable wailing and gnashing of teeth amongst the DR right over that, at the time.

#144 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2009-08-05 10:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Indeed. I wonder what Eddie's objection to that was.

#146 | Posted by BetelG

Well, for one thing it would make it easier for someone to find out your medical history that way. All it takes is one dedicated hacker and they have everyone's health history. For something a little more sinister, it could just be a doctor who wanted to embarrass or destroy someone's reputation. Some medical history can be damaging. It also goes hand in hand with a federal ID card, which has been included in the plan.

Expand the Medicare program to include everyone of any age. Let those who are satisfied with their current private medical health insurance plan continue using it. Then everyone's happy.

#210 | Posted by CalifChris

No, this is a major problem. This is a problem that we have now! The insurance companies are in charge of making the decision. This is a really stupid idea. All it does is move the decision making to the government and guess what? I can't sue the government!

What we need to see is the decision for health care move back to the doctor. The best thing right now is for government to get out of the business of Health and get back into the business of Welfare and let the States handle it. Hey! What a concept!! I wonder who thought of that?

What I mean by welfare is to deregulate the medical industry. Make it easy for the doctor and other providers be more autonomous. If Obama is going to do anything, he should be helping the doctor, the provider! Set up a Federal Review board to review cases before they go to court. Help them come to an agreement before the Doctor is forced to pay $200,000 in legal fees and still win!

Today: 52% DISAPPROVE of Obama's handling of healthcare!!
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Aug. 6 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama's approval rating is falling amid concerns about the U.S. economy and his push to revamp the U.S. health-care system, a Quinnipiac University poll shows.

On his effort to overhaul of the health-care system, 52 percent disapprove of his handling of the issue while 39 percent approve.

The poll found that voters disapprove of the way Obama is handling the economy by 49 percent to 45 percent.

I used to post at a forum at Slate for about 6 years. I was accused of being a plant several times, as were others. The funny thing was that it always seemed to be the left accusing the right of this. I don't recall ever seeing it the other way around.

#278 | Posted by everlong

Have you seen the ads from the DNC?

LOL!!

Our senior citizens are now: "An Angry Mob"

LOL!!

The Libs think that these people are plants. I don't. I think they are people, like me, who are genuinely concerned that the government will be taking over 1/6th the economy, not to mention their lives.

Here's Granma, we can't do the stent, so here's your meds. You go home and have a nice life, ok?

UTASTAFF is a liar. He claims to be black but is a middle aged white guy.

Oh yes you will Eddie. Your choices will be paying higher taxes or prison.

UTASTAFF is a liar. He claims to be black but is a middle aged white guy.

#283 | Posted by jackass

I'll bet that Jackass is really a Jackass.

Jackass, you really need to get out more. There are many, many young (and older) Conservative Blacks and their numbers are growing.

Oh yes you will Eddie. Your choices will be paying higher taxes or prison.

#285 | Posted by jackass

So, you are going to hold a gun to my head if I (and 150,000,000 others) decide not to participate? I think we will be simply voting you Jackasses out and reversing this trend.

I guess the most key point on this poll is that it is 50% of CNN's audience.

Lonnie

I guess the most key point on this poll is that it is 50% of CNN's audience.

Lonnie

#289 | Posted by lwalk17

I think CNN has more than 10 people. What did you mean?

Well what I'm saying Eddie is that it wasn't a fair sampling. It was just CNN audience. I personally don't watch CNN. CNN is still part of the state run media. Each and every single person that works there is a Obamaniac. It was more of a partisan poll.

Lonnie

Personally, just the fact that congress has exempted themselves from this plan makes me not like it. If it isn't good enough for them, then I'll go on record and say it's not good enough for me or my family.

Lonnie

Also what makes that poll even more pathetic is that there are only 50% of the Obamaniacs that like the health care plan.

Lonnie

Did I not hear correctly, when addressed with the question of 'like' coverage at the last news conference, Barry acknowledged that the idea was for 'everybody' to have the same type of coverage.. he was specifically asked if the congressional plan would be a model ???
or,did in his devious way, imply heavily that it would be.. we know that he does not take real credible positions..

^5's Drsoul. It's not just Obama, you can't trust any politician period. You can only trust them after you've verified that what they're saying is true. The important thing to remember Obama hasn't read the bill because it doesn't exist. it's being typed as we speak now. Obama did not write the bill either. The Dems in congress wrote it. They didn't promise us anything whatsoever.

Lonnie

#295...I am well aware of what you say..
but, I remember, that when asked and pressed, he did imply that the purpose of the overhaul was to put everyone in the same 'caregiver' mode...of course, more campaign rhetoric that continues to be his 'press conference' style, with no substance.

The bill will never be read entirely by anyone voting on it or Barry....nor probably any staff person except what pertains to the specific entries that they contributed...

This is the total tragedy of this legislation.. there is no central focused group taking it on to educate the public.. they believe whomever sounds the most confident and instills the most fear..
too many partisan splinter groups snipping at each other.. but, the electorate must love it..!!!!

Personally, just the fact that congress has exempted themselves from this plan makes me not like it.

Lonnie,

This is the reason that I don't trust Obama and the Dems in Congress. They are lying to us.

MR. OBAMA: If it's such a good plan, then why won't you tell us your plan?

Here are the problems with health care:

1. Rising Costs
2. Access

These are real problems, Mr. Obama, let's address them. What the f*ck is this piece of sh!t you are trying to cram down our throats!

The DNC complains that the Republicans don't have a plan. THEY DO, you freken morons. YOU ARE NOT LISTENING.

Address rising costs.
-- Control Frivolous lawsuits
-- Each State sets up a review board to review a case before it goes to letigation. BEFORE THE DOCTOR HAS TO RETAIN AN ATTORNEY!!!
-- Set up standard set of acceptable practices instead of Doctors, Hospitals, and other Medical equipment manufacturers having to practice "Defensive" medicine.

Access
This is a real problem, but Obama and the Libs in congress would have you believe that 48 million people don't have access. This is a lie. A small percentage of those people don't have access to medical care because they can't afford the premiums for onw reason or another or they have pre-existing conditions that prevent them from getting any insuarnce.

The MAJORITY of the 48 million are deadbeats and will not buy insurance for their families. They are deadbeats!!

This is where the Federal Government can help. Provide a better plan for these people. I don't mind paying a little extra in my premium to help out with coverage for those who can't afford it or can't obtain health insurance. They've been talking about this for years, but nothing has happened. This IS the fault of the Republicans.

But, in the end, if we can do all of this on the State level, it's a much better plan.

Eddie,

Texas already has a frivolous lawsuit board. You have to get the green light from them before you can file a lawsuit against a doctor. In fact, I saw an article the other day where Texas is getting an influx of doctors in because of our board that protects them.

I think that 48 million number is bogus. I think if we have 48 million people uninsured, it's because they dropped their insurance because the messiah got elected. I'm not totally sure that number hasn't included illegal aliens either.

Lonnie

"I think...
Lonnie
Posted by lwalk17"

(No, you don't.)

"I'm not totally sure....
Lonnie
Posted by lwalk17"

(No, you're not.)

"I think...
Lonnie
Posted by lwalk17"

(No, you don't.)

"I'm not totally sure....
Lonnie
Posted by lwalk17"

(No, you're not.)

#299 | Posted by mOntecOre
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Ok monte where in the hell did that figure come from then since your more informed than I.

Lonnie

#299 | Posted by mOntecOre

Why do people just being the insults when they don't agree with the truth?

Instead of insults, do you think you could provide a argument?

*being = begin

Ok monte where in the hell did that figure come from then since your more informed than I.

Lonnie

#300 | Posted by lwalk17

Lonnie,

The facts are the facts. Obama is ignoring the facts and pushing this Socialist plan that most people don't want. Montecore has not realized that yet.

The truth is that we can fix the problems with the current system.

Texas already has a frivolous lawsuit board.
#298 | Posted by lwalk17

I didn't know that.

you know? If more states elected Republican governors and legislators, then you would begin to see problems being solved.

Louisiana is ahead of the rest of the nation. They are purging their corrupt Democrat roots and you are seeing HUGE changes for the better. Jindal has added, in his short term in office, 50K jobs to the state and billions in capital investment from Corporations moving in.

"Ok monte where in the hell did that figure come from then since your more informed than I.
#300 | Posted by lwalk17"

"Instead of insults, do you think you could provide a argument?
#301 | Posted by Eddie"

Me? Engage in a substantive discussion? Here? Surely you jest!

Oh yeah, you're both douchebags.

Oh yeah, you're both douchebags.

#306 | Posted by mOntecOre
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Really is that the best you can come up with monte? I know you are but what am I?

Lonnie

Me? Engage in a substantive discussion? Here? Surely you jest!

#305 | Posted by mOntecOre

Ok. That makes sense...

LOL

#305 | Posted by mOntecOre

Now you're being honest.

It's easier to scare older people than it is younger ones.
#1 | POSTED BY CORKY AT 2009-08-05 09:56 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

It's the older folks who'll be visited by death counselors.

It's the older folks who'll be visited by death counselors.

#310 | Posted by somoco

Not.

It's the older folks who'll be visited by death counselors.

#310 | Posted by somoco

Only you, Slomo, only you.

"The rumors out there are flat out lies. Right now Medicare does not cover counseling for end-of-life care. The portion of the bill in question would simply provide coverage for OPTIONAL end-of-life consultations with doctors, so that the patient can be aware of all of the treatment options on the table. It is NOT mandatory and it has nothing to do with euthanasia." - AARP

It would include as benefit of coverage, this optional consultation once every 5 years.

Was it not the President I heard responding to a question on putting a pacemaker in a really old lady that, perhaps, the money could be better spent on painkillers rather than the procedure - and that it's the govt. that would make the call.

I think it was, in fact, him that made just such a statement.

"It's the older folks who'll be visited by death counselors.

#310 | Posted by somoco"

Vernon just shat his Depends.

Was it not the President I heard responding to a question on putting a pacemaker in a really old lady that, perhaps, the money could be better spent on painkillers rather than the procedure - and that it's the govt. that would make the call.

I think it was, in fact, him that made just such a statement.

#314 | Posted by somoco

I don't know, and it doesn't matter to the discussion if he did.

IT ISN'T IN THE BILL.

If you think they won't be making decisions like this in the future, you're even dumber than you sound.

The poll indicates that only three in 10 of all Americans think the president's health care proposals will help their families. Another 44 percent feel they won't benefit but that other families will be helped by the president's plans, and one in five say no one will be helped.

Let me see if I have this correct...

Three in ten think it will help them but five out of ten support it..... .... ..........

The poll is obviously BS....

Why would seven out of ten people polled support a plan that they do not think would benefit them?

The poll is BS!

"IT ISN'T IN THE BILL."

Damn! We FINALLY have someone who DOES know what's in the fuckin' bill and what isn't! Let's all appoint the SanAntonePogue as a special envoy to the House and he can clue those assholes in.

If you think they won't be making decisions like this in the future, you're even dumber than you sound.

#317 | Posted by somoco

So because you THINK that MIGHT happen SOMEDAY, its OK to lie about what the bill says now?

I wouldn't talk about anyone else sounding dumb, if I were you.

Damn! We FINALLY have someone who DOES know what's in the fuckin' bill and what isn't! Let's all appoint the SanAntonePogue as a special envoy to the House and he can clue those assholes in.

#319 | Posted by jestgettinalong

So I get ridiculed because I actually researched the bill, and even provided you with a link directly to it multiple times?

Guess your agenda isn't any more subtle than your masters who feed you your talking points.

"Why would seven out of ten people polled support a plan that they do not think would benefit them?"

I know this might be a foreign concept to you, but maybe its because they believe it will help others?

I find it amusing that Senator Coburn offered up an amendment to the health care plan that would make members of congress go on Obama care and they didn't want any part of this shit either. Interestingly enough Senators Dodd and Kennedy voted for the amendment but everyone else said not no but hell no! Again, if it's not good enough for our politicians then it's not good enough for the American public.

Lonnie

"I know this might be a foreign concept to you, but maybe its because they believe it will help others?"

I know this is gonna cause SanAntone to get his panties all knotted up, BUT....the idea that 70% support the health plan is ludicrous...

"August 5, 2009 - Scrap Health Care Reform If It Adds To Deficit, U.S. Voters Tell Quinnipiac University National Poll; Voters Disapprove Of Obama's Handling Of Health Care.
American voters disapprove 52 - 39 percent of the way President Obama is handling health care, down from 46 - 42 percent approval July 1, with 60 - 34 percent disapproval from independent voters. Voters say 59 - 36 percent that Congress should not pass health care reform if only Democratic members support it."

I didn't post any Rasmussen data because that causes my ol' buddy to go ballistic.

I'm surprised Dodd went along with the amendment. I heard him this weekend talking about how fortunate he was to have the health insurance he's got. I thought to myself, "fortunate? Fortunate is when you get something from someone else, he and his cronies gave themselves the finest healthcare in the world... with our money! That's not fortunate, that's huevos.

I find it amusing that Senator Coburn offered up an amendment to the health care plan that would make members of congress go on Obama care and they didn't want any part of this shit either. Interestingly enough Senators Dodd and Kennedy voted for the amendment but everyone else said not no but hell no! Again, if it's not good enough for our politicians then it's not good enough for the American public.
Lonnie
#323 | Posted by lwalk17

And I find it amusing that you haven't got the faintest idea what you're talking about.

Re Coburn's amendment:

"Voters say 59 - 36 percent that Congress should not pass health care reform if only Democratic members support it."

That just means that 59% of the population believes that preserving the duopoly is more important than getting things done.

"That just means that 59% of the population believes that preserving the duopoly is more important than getting things done."

Oh...you know that, huh? How about analyzing this next one for me...

"American voters disapprove 52 - 39 percent of the way President Obama is handling health care,..."

How about analyzing this next one for me...

"American voters disapprove 52 - 39 percent of the way President Obama is handling health care,..."
#328 | Posted by jestgettinalong

27% railing against the demon of "socialism", and 25% who think Obama's plan amounts to piecemeal tinkering that is intended more to get the GOP on board than to actually solve the problem.

#320. I didn't lie about shit. I said what the president said about a nice old lady who's been on this earth 5 years longer than she would've been under the President's stated vision.

By a 12 to 11 margin, the Senate Health Committee agreed. Senator Chris Dodd, the committee's acting chairman, and Senator Kennedy were absent from the committee but sent in proxy votes in favor. Maryland Senator Barbara Mikulski was the only other Democrat to back the measure. Every Republican save for New Hampshire's Judd Gregg voted in favor of the Coburn mandate.
online.wsj.com

#326 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis
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You of course left out the part in the article where other members of congress are pissed about this amendment and they plan on stripping this amendment out before it get's passed. Obviously they don't want any part of the plan either.

Lonnie

You of course left out the part in the article where other members of congress are pissed about this amendment...
Lonnie
Posted by lwalk17

That's not what I was commenting on, Lonnie, and you know it. I commented on the fact that you didn't have the faintest idea what you were talking about when you said of Coburn's amendment, "Interestingly enough Senators Dodd and Kennedy voted for the amendment but everyone else said not no but hell no!" That couldn't possibly have been the case if the amendment passed the Senate Health Committee by a 12-11 margin, now, could it?

"27% railing against the demon of "socialism", and 25% who think Obama's plan amounts to piecemeal tinkering that is intended more to get the GOP on board than to actually solve the problem."

LOL...I keep getting this mental image of you standing behind Gibbs, reaching in, and pulling numbers out of his ass. No matter, it's pretty obvious the majority of Americans don't like the plan for WHATEVER reason(s.)

I didn't lie about shit. I said what the president said about a nice old lady who's been on this earth 5 years longer than she would've been under the President's stated vision.

#330 | Posted by somoco

The President said..."It's the older folks who'll be visited by death counselors."

No matter, it's pretty obvious the majority of Americans don't like the plan for WHATEVER reason(s.)
#333 | Posted by jestgettinalong

Actually, the reason makes all the difference unless your goal is to kill healthcare reform at all costs. I doubt you'll find a poll willing to address that however.

And further, sometimes I get the impression that Obama's plan is disigned to kill healthcare reform.

That's not what I was commenting on, Lonnie, and you know it. I commented on the fact that you didn't have the faintest idea what you were talking about when you said of Coburn's amendment, "Interestingly enough Senators Dodd and Kennedy voted for the amendment but everyone else said not no but hell no!" That couldn't possibly have been the case if the amendment passed the Senate Health Committee by a 12-11 margin, now, could it?

#332 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis
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Ok, so I was off about the committe vote but not wrong about how the rest of the members of congress felt. The fact they want to kill the amendment before they pass it tell me volumes about what a shitty bill it is.

Lonnie

The fact they want to kill the amendment before they pass it tell me volumes about what a shitty bill it is.
#337 | Posted by lwalk17

Actually, it should speak more to the quality of representatives we've got than anything else.

And by quality, I mean low quality.

The President said..."It's the older folks who'll be visited by death counselors."

#334 | POSTED BY SANANTONIOROGUE AT 2009-08-06 02:45 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

BS. I never said the President said what's in the quotes. The quoted text are my words. And, yes, if the govt. winds up determining who's worthy of some procedure (surely in all that text there is some discretion to govt. to determine the reasonableness and necessity of a procedure) - and says "no pacemaker," I'd assume there will be death counselors on the scene to make it all seem - palatable.

"And further, sometimes I get the impression that Obama's plan is disigned to kill healthcare reform."

In all honesty, it's actually Pelosi's (and others') plan. Obama doesn't really know for sure what's in it and doesn't care a lot as long as the federal government has control of it.

The fact they want to kill the amendment before they pass it tell me volumes about what a shitty bill it is.
#337 | Posted by lwalk17

Actually, it should speak more to the quality of representatives we've got than anything else.

And by quality, I mean low quality.

#338 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine
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That too Hagbard_Celine!

Lonnie

Obama doesn't really know for sure what's in it and doesn't care a lot as long as the federal government has control of it.
#340 | Posted by jestgettinalong

That's another way I think its designed to fail, and in a way in which the responsibility falls somewhere other than on the incumbency of the chief executive.

BS. I never said the President said what's in the quotes.

#339 | Posted by somoco

But you said in your #330 that you only said what the President said. So if HE didn't say "It's the older folks who'll be visited by death counselors," and that doesn't come from the actual bill itself, then you either made it up, or repeated a lie you'd heard.

Which?

#343. I never purported to state what was in the bill. What I repeated is what I heard the President say about cost/benefit that he envisions will need to be done to save health care in America.

Pres also said that it'll be 15 year or so transition to single payer. Ya, single payer not in bill either, but you think this isn't a slow creep toward the President's vision?

Also, you didn't answer my question. Are you saying that nowhere in that bill is there the ability or delegation of power to determine what procedures are "worthwhile" and which one's aren't? And who makes those calls?

What happens 10-15 years from now as money shrinks even more to fund the program. Where do they cut? Ya, you got it, procedures.

To deny this is to ignore the reality of the situation. The elderly's care will suffer, and that'll be the cost of having everyone covered. That's why they are more scared.

Also, you didn't answer my question. Are you saying that nowhere in that bill is there the ability or delegation of power to determine what procedures are "worthwhile" and which one's aren't? And who makes those calls?

#344 | Posted by somoco

Not that I've found in the bill itself, or read in any reliable source.

So, all procedures, experimental or otherwise are covered. Gender-changes, too? Penile implant, courtesy of uncle sam? gimme a break. there has to be someone with the authority to determine under the bill.

SA, I'm not even saying that I'm opposed to rationing health care necessarily. But, I think the Dems are not being honest about what this will cost, and the effect it's gonna have on care to those who are already insured.

"and the effect it's gonna have on care to those who are already insured."

Does this Bill increase or reduce the Government's mandates required by Insurance Companies to comply with?

So because you THINK that MIGHT happen SOMEDAY, its OK to lie about what the bill says now?

#320 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

It's in the bill...

Does not the bill provide a new insurance choice? Yes it does.

What do insurance companies do? The pay for medical costs incurred by the patient.

Insurance companies sometimes disallow certain proceudres from time to time. Are you saying that the government-run "insurance" company will never deny a claim?

SA, I'm not even saying that I'm opposed to rationing health care necessarily. But, I think the Dems are not being honest about what this will cost, and the effect it's gonna have on care to those who are already insured.

#347 | Posted by somoco

This is true.

What's more, please explain that their primary goal is to control costs. What's all this talk about funding it? WTF? The Dems think that everyone is as dumb as they are.

What will happen to the AARP membership rolls as it continues to shill for the Obamadeathcare program.

Read the comments. They are uniformly hostile.

Now's the time for some entrepreneur to form his own insurance hawking company on the pretext of being an advocate group, and going into competition with AARP.

Tiny Johnson, Rabble-Rouser Extraordinaire!

Lewin Group HealthCare Data, Only Fiddy Cents!

Obama-Death-Care. Obama lies. Millions will die. This slimy sociopath is trying to beguile the public as if there is a cornucopia of unlimited care that would be available to all without any restriction, and of course, at a lower cost.

This street agitator may be able to fool his fringe constituency most of the time. but the intelligence level of the general public is above that of his constituency.

The Emperor has no clothes.

And Rogue if there are limitations on the program, I propose that they first eliminate treatment except for soporifics and narcotics to ease pain for end of life care in hospices for all of those receiving expensive HIV and AIDS medication because after all, so many of those folks are ill because of lifestyle choices, intravenus drug use and promiscuous homosexual behaviors without "protection."

Do you concur that that is where the first cuts should be made to permit extension of greater care to "more worthy" individuals?

We'll have balkanized constituencies doing special pleading as advocates for particular groups. Some women's groups may advocate extended care, exam scope and treatments for breast cancer sufferers. A prostate surgery group may be formed. Children's advocate groups seeking resources for treatment for particular children's illnesses will become more active. There may be a mental health contingent seeking care for various and sundry mental and emotional illnesses. There will undoubtedly be homosexual advocate groups. And they may throw the intravenus durg users under the bus. Stress will lead to some interesting positions being espoused..

Watch out Johnson, your posts are a little "fishy." Big Brother's gonna be watching you from now on, if they aren't already.

Oh, for all the fucking oversensitive race-baiting asses who might be out there "Big Brother" was a 1984 reference, not a reference to the fact that the President happens to be black.

#355. Good point, when there's competition for dollars, and the government's the one making decisions - politics ALWAYS creeps in. Politics and health care decisions don't mix precisely for the reasons you point out. Think we have oppressive majority rule now? Give govt. the hammer on this, and see where we wind up.

Tiny Johnson, Rabble-Rouser Extraordinaire!

Lewin Group HealthCare Data, Only Fiddy Cents!

#353 | Posted by Corky

Corky,

I see that you Libs are losing this argument. Your great Obama is in a free-fall. I can always tell when you know you are losing. You begin with the insults.

But, I have never seen a President f*ck up so badly is such a short time. Hell, Carter took longer than this and it wasn't even his fault!

"Big Brother" was a 1984 reference
#356 | Posted by somoco

LOL!!! Funny flag!

OMG, that's funny. And, appropriate today.

Does this Bill increase or reduce the Government's mandates required by Insurance Companies to comply with?

50% huh? Funny that only 18% of those that FUCKING read it SUPPORT it. Im still in the process but I'm thinking NO WAY.

But I don't think so. Younger people, other than Joe, are less afraid of change, as they have grown up with it, than people who have at least somewhat secured their lifestyle and lean slightly to the snake they know rather than than one they don't.

But the poll shows glaringly that even those satisfied with what they have know that they won't be able to keep it if the industry status quo continues.

#9 | Posted by Corky

no doubt.. I have noticed how "skeered" the old conservatives are regarding every fucking thing.

Gun control, immigration, our black president, the economy, terrorist, the so called socialization of medicine even though they suck the shit dry on medicare crowd. The conservative are "skeered"shitless..A bunch of pants pissing pansies.

Oh.. and notice the repukes keep bringing out lies of euthanasia of the old and decrepit.

Why the fuck does healthcare in this country cost double of the next highest country ( Sweden) ?

Why are we ranked 39th in overall life expectancy?

Why is quality of care ranked in the 50's and not #1 based on dollars spent?

{crickets chirping}

Oh.. and notice the repukes keep bringing out lies of euthanasia of the old and decrepit.

O no - its not just the "repukes" noticing this BS. I think if they want it, they should have the same plan. Vote yes for this and you are mandated to use the service for the rest of your life. No special plans for you and your family.

No special plans for you and your family.

#365 | POSTED BY BADJUJU AT 2009-08-06 07:51 PM | REPLY | FLAG

I don't think you'll ever hear "Senators Byrd and Kennedy, time for your black pill."

Why the fuck does healthcare in this country cost double of the next highest country ( Sweden) ?

Why are we ranked 39th in overall life expectancy?

I know the libtards have to believe that it is because we don't have a single payer system.

I'm sure that it has nothing to do with the fact that we don't value our health in this country. we engage in the worst practices possible, obesity, smoking etc... are at horrible rates.

A single payer system won't change that.

Hmm. Government Database of all Americans medical records by 2014. Nice.

Anyone see that little bit in the Stimulus Bill (page 152 for those that actually fucking read this shit) about "FEDERAL COORDINATING COUNCIL FOR COMPARATIVE CLINICAL EFFECTIVENESS RESEARCH. (a) ESTABLISHMENT."?

O yeah. Missed that one? Do you care or are you just going to fucking stick with your party and turn a blind eye?

Pelosi: "You have to see the language."

They count on you not reading it. Hell they don't - why should you?

I keep seeing you guys talk about "Life Expectancy Rating". You guys keep throwing out numbers - who gives a shit about the number we fall on a list? Maybe look at the data?

And Legio, maybe fucking look something up before pulling numbers out of your ass. US is ranked #30 - not #39. However, you said "We" so I guess that means you are from Chile.

O - and as far as "quality of care ranked based on dollars spent" - we are #37 - not #50.

You really love pulling numbers out of your ass huh?

Life Expectancy per Country:

UK: 78.7
CAN: 80.7
US: 78.1

BULLSHIT

Prove it has to do with health care and not life styles.

ASSHOLE

We are number 37!

sandwiched between Costa Rica and Slovenia.

the rethug "sturm und drang" resounds loudly again.

46 million uninsured

1 out of 2 bankruptcies health care related

insurance premiums up 117% in 10 years

Health expenditures per capita: US $6,714; Canada $3,678; UK $2,260.

29th infant mortality

Posted by jackass at 2009-08-06 12

Cali have you considered where to move yet??

Nope. Still looking.

Laredo is going to be 106 all week.

No problem for me. I never considered moving to Laredo.

Feel sorry for you, though, looking at a week of 106 degree temps.

Hope your a/c keeps chugging along, at least 'till the end of summer.

106F

Look at the bright side.
Makes it even more deadly to hike across the steenking desert.

Well I've figured out why Obama wants healthcare passed so quickly. Really, it has nothing to do with himself being such a caring Mf'er. It's part of his Chicago style politics of bullying and intimidation. He wants to pass health care first then Crap and Tax. This way he can force people off their plan by saying, "Hey if you can't afford both then just go on our health plan and then you'll be able to afford Crap and Tax!" Don't bet against me on this.

We can't let him pass his health care plan or else we're doomed with 2 pieces of bad legislation. One bill is supposed to justify the other bill. It bothered me that he wanted it passed so quickly. The more I thought about it the more this made sense. Just think about it. Crap and Tax is going to be about the same amount as insurance payments.

Lonnie