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Friday, July 31, 2009

Glenn Thrush, Politico: Shocker poll from Kos/Research2000 today. A whopping 58 percent of Republicans either think Barack Obama wasn't born in the US (28 percent) or aren't sure (30 percent). A mere 42 percent think he was.

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Ok this is telling because There is no way anywhere near 58% of Dems though bush planned 9/11 and thinking obama is so sort of manchurian is pretty much on the same level of Batshat crazyness. That to me tells me the Right is way crazier % wise as the left. Which is why the Left controls everything right now. Dear right stop being wackjobs please the dems are killing our country and 58% of you are focused on BS crazy theories. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU!!!!! THIS IS THE SAME SH*T THE DEMS DID AND YOU CALLED THEM CRAZY LEFTIES. PLEASE HOLD YOURSELF TO THE SAME STANDARD

and 100% thought it was an awesome idea to re-elect GWB in 2004.

It's just cognitive dissonance. Someone like Obama can't be President, but he is. However, if I believe he really isn't the President because he didn't meet the requirements, then I can rationalize my hatred as "pro-American."

at the least 911 folks tend to be sane...

Jul 31 08:08
Bombshell: Bin Laden worked for US till 9/11
Tags:

* 911
* COVER-UP/DECEPTIONS/PROPAGANDA

Former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds dropped a bombshell on the Mike Malloy radio show, guest-hosted by Brad Friedman (audio, partial transcript).

In the interview, Sibel says that the US maintained 'intimate relations' with Bin Laden, and the Taliban, "all the way until that day of September 11."

These 'intimate relations' included using Bin Laden for 'operations' in Central Asia, including Xinjiang, China. These 'operations' involved using al Qaeda and the Taliban in the same manner "as we did during the Afghan and Soviet conflict," that is, fighting 'enemies' via proxies.
Webmaster's Commentary:

(from WRH owner M.R.)"Other posters at Kos (the megaphonies) are bashing Sibel for this claim, but as reported by AFP CIA met with Bin Laden in July 2001 at the American hospital at Duba, and did not appear interested in arresting him!"

whatreallyhappened.com

It's just cognitive dissonance. Someone like Obama can't be President, but he is. However, if I believe he really isn't the President because he didn't meet the requirements, then I can rationalize my hatred as "pro-American."

#3 | Posted by gnosticdogma

Where's that Moment of Clarity Award?

Also telling, the percentage is very high in the South as opposed to the rest of the nation.

58% of Republicans... looks to me to be just about the same percentage who still remain loyal bushies.

Coincidence?

Still, why wouldn't he release the information? Oh, that's right...he's the Transparent Fuhrer....when you have no ideas....label, scream racism, and hope nobody knows what you're up to....well, it worked for Hitler and Stalin and Mussulini and Woody Wilson and Frankie D......

Let me just repost this for discussion purposes...

rawstory.com

A small group of fringe conservatives, many fundamentally opposed to the notion of an African-American as president, are challenging President Barack Obama's eligibility for the US presidency.

On blogs and even before US courts, the so-called "Birthers" are using the Constitution, with its stipulation that presidents be US natural born citizens, to argue Obama should not be in the White House.

Despite proof that Obama was born in the US state of Hawaii, including a birth certificate affirming that fact, rumors continue to spread, fueled by a group that critics say includes right-wing militants, racists and Holocaust deniers.

"These are people who are fundamentally either racist or extreme right-wingers. That's where the whole movement is coming from," said Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center, which studies extremist groups.

The movement is composed of "people who very much do not want Barack Obama to be president, largely because he is black, certainly because he is liberal," he added.

nuthin' to release because it don't really matter ~ perhaps Jon?

#8 | Posted by jonryker at 2009-07-31 12:45 PM | Reply | Flag: "pro-American"

hmm...so 58% are out and out, in your face racists...

what's that make the rest of the Republican party
25% closet racists, and 17% o.k. folks?

(grin) let the mayhem begin!!

oh, and happy Friday...

...and Obama is spending millions to keep it out of the courts, just so the 58% will focus on non germaine matters.

-Coincidence?

I think not!

The Republican Shrinkage Problem

The new Washington Post/ABC news poll has all sorts of intriguing numbers in it but when you are looking for clues as to where the two parties stand politically there is only one number to remember: 21.

That's the percent of people in the Post/ABC survey who identified themselves as Republicans, down from 25 percent in a late March poll and at the lowest ebb in this poll since the fall of 1983(!).

In that same poll, 35 percent self-identified as Democrats and 38 percent called them Independents.

"...Holocaust deniers."

being a former Bozemanite, I certainly deny the fictious 6 or 7 million figure mostly because I had to take accounting classes to get my pre-law degree @ MSU:>)

oh surprise, surprise

Its a hate filled daily kos dick suck fest on the front page.

I like the way the leftists make up deragatory names like "BIRTHER" when in reality, these people are actually citizens that want to know why Obama does not have to prove he is eligable to be potus.

(see "homophobe" , a related story)


typical.

These people are imbeciles.

An intelligent person could object to state secrecy, but then why not over the nazification act or fatherland security?

#8 | Posted by jonryker at 2009-07-31 12:45 PM | Reply | Flag: "pro-American"

#11 | Posted by taxman at 2009-07-31 12:50 PM | Reply | Flag: Twin Idiots.

Still, why wouldn't he release the information? Oh, that's right...he's the Transparent Fuhrer....when you have no ideas....label, scream racism, and hope nobody knows what you're up to....well, it worked for Hitler and Stalin and Mussulini and Woody Wilson and Frankie D......

#8 | Posted by jonryker at 2009-07-31 12:45 PM

Maybe he should invade someone.

"...and Obama is spending millions to keep it out of the courts, just so the 58% will focus on non germaine matters."

Link please?

Link please?

#20 | Posted by DCinMA

this should be good humour:>)

And Obama's BC is the only President's BC they have ever seen.

"Nevermind Secret Energy Task Force meetings with Enron and Ken Lay. We demand to see this BC that we have already seen!!!!!!"

Really, I just laugh at how fucking stupid these people are.

Jerry, please read gnosticdogma's post, then notice I put quotations around pro-American. Hopefully you will pick up an the joke after that.

"Maybe he should release the information..."

The State of Hawaii says he has. What am I missing here?

Do you believe that Barack Obama was born in the United States of America or not?

Yes 77
No 11
Not sure 12

Wow, 100 people - you libtards sure know how to rate your polls - forget Rasmussen, KOS/Research2000 is the new leader. The environmentologists use the same sample size for determining global warming. Pitiful.

Are there people who believe obammy was not born here - yes. Are they incorrect - yes. Are 58% of republicans on this list - no. Is the left fucking incompetent - yes.

www.winkydog.net

Still, why wouldn't he release the information?

When your enemies are making complete fools of themselves, you fucking let them.

Then you laugh your ass off at them.

The statement below is true.
The statement above is false..

The Daily Kos poll certainly smacks of the unvarnished truth just like the highly regarded upcoming non-partisan, even handed, truth-above-all-else FOX/Research poll will shockingly show that 168% of all Democrats rank W as the second greatest US president. (Reagan is first and Kennedy is last.)

Anything to keep this rhubarb birthing thing alive so folks won't think about the dem's healthcare fiasco. I wonder if Rahm Emanuel had a hand in writing the poll questions and conducting the polling interviews?

A lot people on this site have given me shit in the past for my standing claim that most GOPhers truly are stupid. Consider the percentage of GOPhers who buy into this Birther crap to be a prime exhibit of what I mean.

You know this is gaining traction and will have to be dealt with before long. It is one thing for his grandmother and others to swear that he was born in Kenya, but it is much more important that this could be put to rest so easily by demonstrating a birth certificate; yet it is being dealt with through a phalanx of attorneys instead. This is much more indicative of a major problem than what some old grandma says.

The case of the missing birth certificate grows more and more curious. It has been fascinating to see how quickly various news sites have been frantically altering their assertions regarding Obama's birth hospital ever since Jerome Corsi broke the news of Barack Obama's letter to the Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women and Children on July 6. This means that Obama was either born twice in Hawaii, or he was not born at Queen's Medical Center, as he claimed in 2007 when he first announced his presidential candidacy in Springfield, Ill.

The attempt of the Obama administration to confuse the issue by substituting a computerized Certification of Live Birth for an actual Certificate of Live Birth which contains information about the birth hospital as well as the signature of the attending physician or midwife has failed, as WorldNetDaily had no trouble explaining the difference between the two to the American public.

While numerous attempts to clarify the historical record have been successfully fought by the administration's lawyers, the issue became much more serious when Maj. Stefan Cook, a U.S. Army reservist with deployment orders to Afghanistan, filed a lawsuit regarding his questions about the legality of a deployment order based on the command of a potentially illegitimate commander in chief. But rather than contesting the suit, the Army took the highly peculiar step of revoking the major's deployment order, suggesting that the Pentagon generals are not entirely confident that they can demonstrate the legitimacy of their purported commander in chief.

The doubts this action raised about Obama's legitimacy were further increased when Maj. Cook was almost immediately fired from his civilian job at a private defense contractor, reportedly due to pressure from a federal agency under the Department of Defense, the Defense Security Services Agency. Although the obvious purpose of revoking the deployment order was to render the lawsuit moot, the firing only provides Maj. Cook with additional ammunition for broadening the scope of his lawsuit now that he has suffered demonstrable material damages....

PART 2

Maj. Cook has already been joined in his lawsuit by two other soldiers, a retired Army two-star general and an active reserve Air Force lieutenant colonel. But the potential consequences of the major's revoked deployment go far beyond the number of American soldiers with doubts about the legitimacy of orders from their nominal commander in chief. The Pentagon's decision to back down rather than risk exposing Obama's birth records to the public means that every single American soldier, sailor, pilot and Marine now holds a "get out of war free" card. Not only every deployment order, but every order issued from an officer in the line of command can now be challenged in the knowledge that the top brass are afraid to respond for fear that their commander could be exposed for a fraud.

Given the number of sea and barracks lawyers in the various branches of the U.S. military, it seems unlikely that it will take very long for servicemen who are disinclined to accept an unpalatable or dangerous order to figure out how to best make use of this useful little veto. If even a small number of soldiers elect to do so, the effect on military discipline could rapidly become catastrophic.

It is hard to comprehend why Obama has been so obsessively secretive about his personal records, but it is now time for him to call off his lawyers and show the American public his cards. It would be the height of irresponsibility for the commander in chief of the U.S. armed forces to be the source of destroying American military discipline. Permitting such an easily preventable situation to develop would very strongly imply that the man is not only ineligible for the office, but unfit for it as well.

The question about the Obama birth certificate is no longer one of conspiracy theory or hypothetical illegitimacy, as it now threatens to become a very serious military matter. Regardless of whether Barack Obama was born at the Kapi'olani Medical Center, at the Queen's Medical Center, in Kenya or in a manger, the issue will have to be conclusively settled in the near future.

It is one thing for Obama to deny the curiosity of the American public by hiding behind the courts. It is very much another for him to deny the right of the men and women of the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines, who are sworn to risk their lives upholding the Constitution of the United States of America, to be certain their orders are legitimate.

Where is the birth certificate?

"The doubts this action raised about Obama's legitimacy were further increased when Maj. Cook was almost immediately fired from his civilian job at a private defense contractor, reportedly due to pressure from a federal agency under the Department of Defense, the Defense Security Services Agency."

well, it was a dumb thing to do if he wanted to keep his job, you know...

hmmmmm,

A birther is, I think, is a conspiracy theorist who believes that BO cannot sit for Presidency because of ineligibility due to birth place.

30% aren't sure if BO was born in US, and 28% think he wasn't. Wikipedia had BO for awhile being born in Kenya.

Shit, I haven't seen the birth certificate and don't know. But I haven't really been looking either - and don't really give a shit cause it was resolved in court - just like McCain's issue was tested in court.

I accept it, But, under the Kos "poll," I'd be a "birther" even though I don't really give a shit about where BO was born, accept it as resolved, etc. They're so bent on pidgeonholing people it's funny. More overreaching by lefties that's gonna get the Dems in trouble come midterms.

"Where is the birth certificate?"

you didn't get the memo? why it coming out again in the next updated bible ~ rumour has it

Theone,
Just admit you are a "We're Nutty Daily" person and don't plagiarize the work of Vox.

www.wnd.com

ha ha

I see you're still as dumb as fucking dirt BirtherOne! Would hate to see that change.

BTW, under their definition, I'd bet a lot of Dems and Independents are birthers too. How many people have even actually seen the birth certificate, or even give a shit about this?

Still, why wouldn't he release the information? Oh, that's right...he's the Transparent Fuhrer....when you have no ideas....label, scream racism, and hope nobody knows what you're up to....well, it worked for Hitler and Stalin and Mussulini and Woody Wilson and Frankie D......

Now, in response to this question, which really isn't about the birth certificate, but the academic records, client list, and IL Senate documents.....standard fare for vetting for candidate for POTUS...in response, I get pegged:

1. Republican - not
2. Racist - not
3. Pro-DHLS - not
4. sympathetic with ENRON (progenitors of carbon credits) -not
5. stupid - debatable

In addition, red herrings about "why not invade somebody?" (Afghanistan, The Good War, anyone?)

But still, no one answers the simple question....

For people who made so much about Bush's grades, I'd think you'd be interested in our Fuher's grades...his client list would be a good indicator of who he's indebted to politically...and his IL senate records would give us a detailed look at his very brief IL Senate career, and who his buddies were.....No, no responsible citizen would want to know these things, would they?

But I repeat, why hide the answers? This shrill labeling of people is getting old to the political center of this country, my little Fascistas....keep it up....but don't be surprised at the political train wreck you're gonna be in....

Sieg Heil!

Republican Math:

A whopping 58 percent of Republicans either think Barack Obama wasn't born in the US (28 percent) or aren't sure (30 percent). A mere 42 percent think he was.

A "whopping" 58% made of combined groups that really only 28% agree with. A "mere" 42% of people totally agreed in unison. Gotta love those math skills, not everyone can place spin in simple addition.

Shit, I haven't seen the birth certificate and don't know.....Posted by somoco

Ever seen one from a White President?

No need to answer as I already know.

Jesus Christ, here it is latimesblogs.latimes.com

Ever seen one from a White President?

No need to answer as I already know.

#41 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-07-31 01:20 PM

Technically, I have never even seen mine...

"But still, no one answers the simple question..."

which is? Hawaiian Government official are?

Many,
As stated, I don't give a shit enough to have gone looking. I did note that McCain was born in a territory, and thought that was a fairly interesting issue, but didn't do a bunch of fucking research on it. Just like I haven't done a bunch on this Obama thing.

Calling me a racist? You're fucking pathetic as a piece of hot, steamy shit.


Jesus Christ, here it is latimesblogs.latimes.com

#42 | Posted by Nancypants

I must be nice knowing nobody wants to get in you.

Calling me a racist?
#45 | Posted by somoco

Not at all.

But I can see how a racists would read that into it.

Calling me a racist? You're fucking pathetic as a piece of hot, steamy shit.

#45 | Posted by somoco

which is worst? being called a racist or 'a piece of hot, steamy sh*t'?

This the real question of the ages, folks!!! as old as Cain's & Able's epic fight over Michelle!

bani,

I posted the question twice...you'll have to go look...If Hawaii has the certificate, they should be able to copy it and post it....and yet, they have not....

So what ~ Jon?

No need to answer as I already know.
#41 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-07-31 01:20 PM

What am I to take from your comment? Typical lib to take an issue and call everyone who doesn't agree with you racist.
So, were the people that filed the suit on McCain racist? Or, perhaps they just didn't want to see a republican in office. Could it possibly be that the people suing BO just don't want to see a liberal in office - as opposed to being just flat out racist?

Good argument skills.

Nancypants,

Nice post. Now, the long form,please...More importantly, the grades, the client list, and the IL Senate papers....of course, the Fuhrer needs to give approval for the grade release...yet, he has not.....think he's hiding straight A's....hell, his grades only have to be better than W's.....what classes did he take? what papers did he write? everybody else does this......and yet....nothing....

If Jon had been born in Hawaii and requested a copy of his birth certificate, he would get the same certificate as we have all seen of Obama's online.

And then he would naturally step out in front of the next train because he would figure he hadn't been born.

"...the Fuhrer..."

GW?

My point is that Obama's BC is the only BC of a US President that 99.99% of Americans have EVER seen.

And you have all these loons on the right demanding to see something that has already been produced.

THAT is fucking funny. That Republican voters are that fucking stupid.

So I laugh in their faces.

I can make a certification of live birth like that lame one in about 3 1/2 minutes in Photoshop.

This is a joke.

Sticks and stones may break my bones but names like "Birther" don't do anything to erase the fact that the dick sucking left give Obama a pass on being a Kenyan Muslim.

After all, dismantling the American economy is hard WERK and you need someone in there who can do it with his heart truly full of pure contempt for the country.
I wouldn't risk having a real Americin in there to do it.

And then he would naturally step out in front of the next train because he would figure he hadn't been born.

#53 | Posted by Corky

not if he's co-Fuhrer!


Still, why wouldn't he release the information?

#8 | Posted by jonryker at 2009-07-31 12:45 PM

Jesus Christ almighty could come down from heaven with the golden birth certificate in hand, slap you across the face with it and you would still bleat "It's a forgery".

Mom told me it is a waste of time to argue with a retard. You can't win and you end up upsetting the retard.

Sticks and stones may break my bones but names like "Birther" don't do anything to erase the fact that the dick sucking left give Obama a pass on being a Kenyan Muslim.

Posted by 8roper

People wouldn't know how fucking stupid you are if you stayed away from a keyboard.

Just saying........

(But most of us appreciate the laughs)

"Sticks and stones may break my bones but names like "Birther" don't do anything to erase the fact that the dick sucking left give Obama a pass on being a Kenyan Muslim."

Translated: I know the truth & the BIBLE is IT, too! (Koran 2 ?)

58% of Rethugs are hopelessly ignorant?

Hmmm, Spud thought that number would be higher fer some reason.

Wot's that?

Ah, yes. That's only 58% who'll cheerfully admit they are absurdly irrational, the rest may well be but are at least sane enuff to not trumpet their moronic beliefs in a poll.

The real number of brain dead rtards is prolly much higher.

Good point!

Racists in denial are only funny up to a point.

These birfer freaks are long past that point.

Basically, they are obstructionists in the extreme who will find any rationalisation no matter how stupid, inane, or bat-shiat crazy and cling to it with the death grip strength that a dying party can sometimes summon. One that has achieved nothing but epic fail in their opposition to America's first black president.

Now, in response to this question, which really isn't about the birth certificate, but the academic records, client list, and IL Senate documents

~Number 2

We got a "moving the goalpost" flag hereabouts yet?

No? Dang!

Be Well.

/Not really here but nonetheless entering the DRagon
stage left

Mom told me it is a waste of time to argue with a retard. You can't win and you end up upsetting the retard.

#58 | POSTED BY 726 AT 2009-07-31 01:34 PM | REPLY | FLAG

So, you finally figured out the mystery of why your mom never argued with you.

The Left - "Bush started wars with lies and a lot of people were killed. Bush tortured people."

The Right - "Obama won't show me his BC!"

That's fucking progess baby!!!!! A BC and a BJ. That's all you sorry saps have.

Face it, the News is a whole lot better than it was a year or 2 ago and you're just bitching to bitch.

I laugh at you.

The State of Hawaii says all documentation is in order.

I hate repeating myself, but can someone stop calling Obama a "Kenyan cock-sucker" long enough to explain what they think the problem is?

Link please?

#20 | Posted by DCinMA at 2009-07-31 01:00 PM

Google these words. Obama spends millions to keep his birth certificate private.

My daughter (recently turned 16) had to produce her Noterized Birth Certificate (not proof of live birth ) just to get a drivers license.

I'd like to see his birth certificate. You know. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Why is it so many people give passes to these political celebraties that the rest of us aren't able to get?

I think every politician should be subject to random drug screening. Starting with the POTUS and moving down from there.

Every law or ordinance they enact they should be subjected to, FIRST.

It's really easy. Release the birth certificate.

When's Kerry going to release his full records? Oh that's right, never. He's done.

How long are we going to pay Ted Kennedy?

That's some job. You can collect pay and not be replaced and it's no different than when you were there.

Just goes to show you a janitor is more important than a senator. His/her job is so important that when he/she isn't there to perform it they are quickly replaced.

What a screwed up mess.

-but can someone stop calling Obama a "Kenyan cock-sucker" long enough to explain

Doubtful. That is their whole purpose after all.

I see someone above stating this Birther story has "traction". As far as I can see, it's the same traction a dog has when it returns to it's vomit over and over again.

Posted by Manypaths

Lookee who's back.

Now be a good boy for a change. lol

"After all, dismantling the American economy is hard WERK and you need someone in there who can do it with his heart truly full of pure contempt for the country."

Fredo was obviously asleep in the backseat when Dubya careened the ship of state off the cliff.

And George Bush is still a chimp.

Right, Corky?

Fredo was obviously asleep in the backseat when Dubya careened the ship of state off the cliff.

#69 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-07-31 01:44 PM | Reply

At least he's still alive!
-Mary Jo Kopechne

Bush is a retired chimp. Still waiting for someone to tell me why the State of Hawaii is full of it.

God you birther people are fucking stupid.

At least he's still alive!

Yeah...but with that much brain damage....

Not to seem impatient, by where is that smoking gun? Shouldn't take more than two sentences to reveal it.

#65 Washboard: No good way for me to spin this or say it nicely. I think you're a complete idiot. Absolutely stupid as dirt.

What a screwed up mess.

Posted by Washboard

first self retort of the day? How are u doing with the audit the Fed memo ur bosses gave to debunk, too?

ps on Rcade's front page today in a round about way:>)

God you birther people are fucking stupid.

#73 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-07-31 01:47 PM

If I recall correctly you don't believe in God.
Why envoke what you disbelieve?


Posted by Manypaths

Lookee who's back.

Now be a good boy for a change. lol


Can't. Too damn busy at work. Coporate America is hiring like crazy again. Has been for the last month. Gotta make the cash when the fishing is good.

Enjoy the economy CUNTS!

3 guys sit down at a table to drink ice cold beers.

I normal guy happily chugs his beer while discussing his pont of view and trying to be sociable.

2 pussies with frosty cold beers in front of them don't touch the beer.

Can you guess which 2 pussies can't even sip a beer?

If I recall correctly you don't believe in God.
Why envoke what you disbelieve?

#78 | Posted by Washboard

Well, not surprisingly, you recall incorrectly.

I am a self-proclaimed Deist. It's real simple. Follow along:

There is a God.

End of fucking story!

Oh and playing Evony is a lot more fun than Republican Yoyos.

The Birthers are being stupid---Worse, they are bloody-minded.

Remember that woman at that town-hall meeting? Asking her Republican congressman why the Republican leadership was silent on the Birther issue?

The reason is because Birthers are stupid/bloody-minded.

Now ya'll best be understandin this hair birthplacing of the 1/2 Afrecans 1/2 Musslam and 1/2 Irishlander feller who be all pretenden on being the preserdent. Y'all see that their feller done knewed he was a gonna runs fer the preserdent of the USA USA USA back afore the Lord mades Reagans and Nixxon preserdents and that dasterdlee feller Barrakk HUssayn Obbamma done had his trader to the WHITE POWER mama fakes out them hospittall folks by making thems beleaves that she done had her a little 1/2 Affrican 1/2 Musslam and 1/2 Irishlander babys in that their Hawaii. She be'd all trickstering on them folks and done knowed that that their baby be movin on ups to the White Power House as the preserdent. That their trader to the WHITE POWER MAMA done tricked us'ns and now that their feller be on up their in the WHITE POWER HOUSE all uppittey and making this hair land the Sochallesms and ain't now ways it be reicht cuz that TRADER TO THE WHITE POWER MAMA done pulled a fasts won on usn's.

Most likely, there's some 25-year-old intern in Axelrod's office who's been having fun with this as a side project.

No one who's a birther would ever vote for Obama, no matter how well proven his provenance. So, fark 'em.

Meanwhile, if you toy with them, post little inflammatory things on various sites, it makes the GOP look like the home of the crazy folks. Fake up a little outrage at sites (like NRO or Steele) trying to stamp it out, and the party lurches into cannibalism.


Most likely, there's some 25-year-old intern in Axelrod's office who's been having fun with this as a side project.

No one who's a birther would ever vote for Obama, no matter how well proven his provenance. So, fark 'em.

Meanwhile, if you toy with them, post little inflammatory things on various sites, it makes the GOP look like the home of the crazy folks. Fake up a little outrage at sites (like NRO or Steele) trying to stamp it out, and the party lurches into cannibalism.


His name is B I N G O, B I N G O, B I N G O and BINGO was his NAMEO

So what is it like to work for Axelrod Lawn?

No one who's a birther would ever vote for Obama, no matter how well proven his provenance.

And that is the joy of all this. They make the rest of the Republicans look like idiots for not stamping this out early.

Let's do a little trip down memory lane. This should be good for both sides. Remember McCain? Born in Panama? What did the Democrats do about that absolute bullshit?

S.Res.511:
Sponsor:
Claire McCaskill (D-MO)

Cosponsors:
Sen Clinton, Hillary Rodham [D-NY] - 4/10/2008
Sen Coburn, Tom [R-OK] - 4/10/2008
Sen Leahy, Patrick J. [D-VT] - 4/10/2008
Sen Obama, Barack [D-IL] - 4/10/2008
Sen Webb, Jim [D-VA] - 4/10/2008

States that John Sidney McCain, III, is a "natural born Citizen'' under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.

What's the Republican leadership's response to the birthers?

What are the Republicans doing? What's the legistlation THEY'VE introduced?

Classless, stupid fucks.

I heard that Daily KOS polls are unbiased. /discuss

"What's the Republican leadership's response to the birthers?"

theplumline.whorunsgov.com

Sounds like Mikeysteele will be on Dobbs' show shortly, apologizing for criticizing the birthers.

"They make the rest of the Republicans look like idiots for not stamping this out early."

That's what I was thinking, but since its 58% of them, the birthers are the party, for all intents and purposes.

Steele's not elected, nor is he in any position to offer Legislation.
Nice try.

Let's look at Roy Blunt (#2):

"why the President can't produce a birth certificate. I don't know anybody else that can't produce one. And I think that's a legitimate question. No health records, no birth certificate."

firedoglake.com

Or others:
firedoglake.com

Where's the GOP's legislation that even approaches what S.RES.511 did?

Oh - here it is:

"To amend the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 to require the principal campaign committee of a candidate for election to the office of President to include with the committee's statement of organization a copy of the candidate's birth certificate, together with such other documentation as may be necessary to establish that the candidate meets the qualifications for eligibility to the Office of President under the Constitution."

Posey, R-FL with 10 cosponsors:

Rep Blackburn, Marsha [TN-7] - 6/26/2009
Rep Burton, Dan [IN-5] - 7/7/2009
Rep Campbell, John [CA-48] - 6/17/2009
Rep Carter, John R. [TX-31] - 6/12/2009
Rep Culberson, John Abney [TX-7] - 6/12/2009
Rep Gohmert, Louie [TX-1] - 7/28/2009
Rep Goodlatte, Bob [VA-6] - 5/5/2009
Rep Marchant, Kenny [TX-24] - 7/9/2009
Rep Neugebauer, Randy [TX-19] - 6/12/2009
Rep Poe, Ted [TX-2] - 7/7/2009

That's what I was thinking, but since its 58% of them, the birthers are the party, for all intents and purposes.

It's hard not to become cynical.

It's hard not to become cynical.
#94 | Posted by YAV

I'd be less of a cynic if I wasn't right so damn often about the things I'm cynical about.

This stuff has gone way past absurd and is approaching the sublime.

Historians will look back in wonder that a major political party rent itself to shreds over a single totally unsubstantiated allegation against a serving President.

Let me break it down, briefly, for you birthers...

Obama long ago satisfied the requirements of the law and is under no legal compulsion to release any further documentation. Whether or not he has hired an attorney, fantasies about mutinous sailors, etc., etc. is immaterial to his position.

If you feel this position is in error, the legal way to proceed is to gather evidence of your claim and present it to a judge. Without said evidence, you have no legal standing.

Internet rumors and articles in far right publications that fling allegations around with nothing behind them but your fondest wishes and prayers only serve to make you look foolish.

But, for my amusement if nothing else, please don't let reason or law stop you and by all means carry on.

While I don't know that I trust a Daily KOS poll number, even if the number is 40 or 30%, it's too many.

Just another reason to be dismayed; republicans are sure to pick another set of retards for '12.

#96 | Posted by silver_ironist

Shhhhhhhhh.............Let them make complete jackasses of themselves if they want. This is America afterall.

Where is GW's birth certificate? I've never seen it. How do we know George wasn't born in Dumbfuckistan instead of Connecticut?

This argument is just as valid. I want to see GW's birth certificate. For an actual valid issue, while we're at it, I'd wouldn't mind seeing the gubernatorial records that were hidden in his daddy's presidential library, and Georges full military records too.

www.austinchronicle.com

www.sourcewatch.org_military_s ervice/Documents

Funny, the same people that are "birthers" now, fought hard to defend the non-disclosure by GW.

Poll: 58% of Repubs are Brain Dead.

Hmmmm........the letters are changed yet the new sentence retains it's original message.

Strange....

Funny, the same people that are "birthers" now, fought hard to defend the non-disclosure by GW.

Posted by Whatsleft at 2009-07-31 03:11 PM |

Irony on line one. Just another case of where the positions have remained the same, but those holding them have changed.

republicans are sure to pick another set of retards for '12.
#97
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No question about that.

On the other hand. Being an independent with no fondness for either party, I don't think these accusations are that far off base. If this was a lily white republican president with sketchy documents, former citizenships in far east countries, and inconsistencies in the stories told my his family members, I think lots of folks on the left would need further evidence of his citizenship. Of course he would have never made it to the republican primaries with a past like that, but if the left can't admit he would warrant further scrutiny they are full-on partisan hacks.

#102 | Posted by the_nether

Don't at all agree that "the left" would act that way. That isn't an issue with any kind of importance to them. They are much more inclined to think that birth shouldn't be an obstacle to holding any office.

Somoco, I've seen several of your recent posts as displaying humanity, even a sense of progressivism. Have you been visited by an angel, struck by lighting or hearing those great MSNBC talking heads? herm


and 100% thought it was an awesome idea to re-elect GWB in 2004.

#2 | Posted by AuntieSocial

Plus 100% of them plus a few Democrats really wish that Obama was not elected.


Where is GW's birth certificate? I've never seen it.

The Hulkster agrees. When someone files to be a candidate for US President, he/she should be required to present his/her birth certificate. Why shouldn't they be required?

HULKAMANIA FOREVER

So next time you righties quote a presidential popularity poll, remember 28% of the negatives are just batshit crazy assklowns, and the rest half-assed batshit crazy.

"Plus 100% of them plus a few Democrats really wish that Obama was not elected." - Eddie

That's, what, 22% of the voting population? Pretty pathetic, really.

I hate to interrupt the HUGE leftist circle jerk but its time to for the daisy chain now, all you lefties , on your hands and knees, noses into asses, please.

Your non-American, Muslim, socialist puppet of the East is getting lousy reviews from America - the poll numbers are painful -and I know this hurts you all.
I know nobody has the nuts to mention 7 1/2 more years anymore, do they.
And I am sure somehow this foolish embarassing healthcare takeover debacle is somehow Bush's fault. But let's get that daisy chain going NOW.
Danforth is ready to jump out of a cake in a "Gimp" outfit and that's gonna be my cue to get the fuck out of here

"And I am sure somehow this foolish embarassing healthcare takeover debacle is somehow Bush's fault. "

No, it's not Bush's fault, any more than it's Obama's fault.

It's the fault of every so-called "leader" we've allowed ourselves to elect over the last half-century. We've seen this problem heading our way for decades. But soon we'll get the Condi Rice explanation from them all: no one could have seen this coming.

It's not a Dem-Rep, Left-Right issue. We're all in the same sinking boat. Our healthcare costs the most and delivers the least. As the baby boomers are about to strain the system in ways we've never experienced, anyone think we can continue business as usual?

#110 | Posted by Danforth

......and ....

THERE'S my cue !

au revior !

#111 | Posted by 8roper

Well, what Danforth posted is true. So it probably is your cue to exit. Though what any of that has to do with the "birther" issue is beyond me.

A lot people on this site have given me shit in the past for my standing claim that most GOPhers truly are stupid. Consider the percentage of GOPhers who buy into this Birther crap to be a prime exhibit of what I mean.

#30 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-07-31 01:10 PM | Reply

One would see you buyng into the poll at KOS as more of an indicator of you being and idiot than to take a poll of 100 and include two groups as one and then make a blanket statement about the entire RNC. But that's the data you base logic on.

WI_Hunter, do you believe Obama is a Native born U.S. Citizen and the legitimate President of the United States?

"58% of Republicans are birthers"

Which leads me to conclude that about 1 out of 3 Americans has the intellect of a gerbil.

I know nobody has the nuts to mention 7 1/2 more years anymore, do they.
#109 | Posted by 8roper

See you in 7 1/2 years dumbfuck.

Put your money where your fat fucking mouth is bitch.

Our healthcare doesn't deliver the least if you're talking about quality.

You just have to have good, expensive insurance to get that quality.

100% of Democrats are ignorant Lemmings and a few leeches.

#118 | Posted by Badeye

Whatever, Tea Bagged Birther.

Your irrelevancy is showing.

Ha Ha!

2"roper: #109: Are you kidding me? While maybe not a 100% for 2012, PresidentObama is doing amazing. The fact that you are so blinded by partisanship hatred only reinforces my belief as to your level of general intelligence.

Maybe if we can say that "Birthers are stupid!" loud enough and long enough, the controversey will go away?

Maybe if we can say "There is no controversey!" loud enough and long enough, the controversey will go away?

Maybe if we can do everything but answer the questions, even give the impression that answering the questions is demeaning or stupid, the controversey will go away?

Alinsky would be proud!

I am proud to be a birther!

Obama is clearly hiding SOMETHING. This is all very easy to take of - Just authorize the release of the original f@cking birth certificate!!! Excuse me... birf certificate. What is so damned hard about that? Obama proves every day what a piece of sh!t he is. No wonder his poll numbers are crashing.

You know something is wrong because any little accomplishment this phony can muster or anything that helps him at all is proudly broadcast to the media. Birth certificates and transcripts are hidden like a state secret. What he is hiding? I am still holding on to my hermaphrodite theory on the birth certificate (it would explain his girly all-star game pitch and bowling "like the Special Olympics or something."

While maybe not a 100% for 2012, PresidentObama is doing amazing.

#120 | Posted by moder8

LOL...Yeah, right!...and our Dear Emperor is also wearing clothes!

Said the dumb mother fucker who said this:

McCain has this election in the bag already. Turn the lights off. This party is over.
Posted by utastaff

It's why people laugh at you.

Ha ha! See you in 2016!!!! (If the GOP can find a leader by then. With a hard copy of his BC of course.)

Your irrelevancy is showing.

Ha Ha!

#119 | Posted by Manypaths

I am proud to be a birther!

#122 | Posted by utastaff

Proud Ignorance is a terrible thing.

I am proud to be a teabagger!

Sincerely,
Utastaff

1776: 1/3 wanted freedom. 1/3 loved King George.
1/3 couldn't be bothered to give a damn either way.
Freedom won then, but it sure is taking a beating
today.
If being told you or a loved one is too old for
health care doesn't drive you to wanting freedom,
what will it take? Taking many paths only to find
that you're gobling The (same) Man's knob?
Re-education camps? Soylent green? Or will you
just continue being impressed by your own keen
intellect and wit until the followers, who are
leading you, turn on you?

:If being told you or a loved one is too old for
health care doesn't drive you to wanting freedom,
what will it take? "

what does freedom & healthcare have to do with anything?

They should call you guys "Graspers" because you're reduced to grasping at straws.

Sarah in 2012!

Now sees this hair newspapper article:

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Seems to me this hair don't be makin no cents at all so I done me some investermigating of this hair subjeckt. Now the Communest Irishlander mama and the Sochallest Afrikaner father of Barrakk Hussayn Obbamma was getting thems a hifalluting edumucation in 1961 at the Univercitee of Hawaii and them must have done flown on backs to Keenya and Moscows to gets them instructionings on how to destroys the democraticking of the USA USA USA by birthin thems a baby to be preserdent. So thems was a flyin arounds the werld in 1961 to makes thems plans and that their baby Barrakk Hussayn Obbamma done gots aborned in a forrin countree and then whens they done flew on backs to Hawaii, thems gots them a birthing certification and sended it to the newsypaper to gets thems evel communest planning under way. The flyin arounds and all done gots paid fer by the communests. So don't ya'll worrys none about this hair newspapring artacle cuz I dones gots it all afigurred outs fer ya'll.

If being told you or a loved one is too old for
health care doesn't drive you to wanting freedom,
what will it take?

Nothing like fantasy based fear tactics when you aren't offering anything to help. It's like demanding someone to not throw a person a life preserver because you insist it will hit them in the head and kill them.

I don't get it. I understand why those that are getting $$$ from lobbies see it in their own personal best interest to defeat health care reform, but I don't get it when an average citizen buys into their bullshit and repeats the lies they've been fed.

Maybe if we can say that "Birthers are stupid!" loud enough and long enough, the controversey will go away?
Maybe if we can say "There is no controversey!" loud enough and long enough, the controversey will go away?
Maybe if we can do everything but answer the questions, even give the impression that answering the questions is demeaning or stupid, the controversey will go away?

Alinsky would be proud!

#121 | Posted by TheOneBS at

my honorable colleague theone

the CHICAGO MAFIA in the white house will do everything they can to NOT MAKE this go away.
with every clip on cnn and msnbc they can continue to paint the "birthers' as idiots and fools while at the same time painting all repubs and conservatives with that brush
its an old trick and they still think they are getting away with it...

so here is my recent part in helping dems promote this

ONE MORE TIME

if the hillary assisins couldnt come up with it, it must be true.

HOWEVER...there has to be some reason that barry has spent over one million to keep it from being made public.....how does that make sense?
or is this just another of those "if obama says it, I will put on my brownshirt and defend it no matter what moments"

"Maybe if we can say the birthers are stupid long enough and loud enough the controversy will go away...?"

No such luck. The "controversy" exists in Birther minds. There isn't any evidence for what they're asserting; it's like they're picking bugs out of their own skins we can't see, and are angry at us for out "blindness".

The State of Hawaii has certified, in several ways, what they have makes Obama legitimate.

I'm not interested in hearing the Birther theory for why Hawaii is part of this grand conspiracy. Hawaii is just one of the United States after all and is no doubt filled to the brim with faceless persons with nasty agendas.

What I'm interested in is the Birther explanation for why the Republican Pary is part of this grand conspiracy. Because, you know, they must have been.

Poll: 58% of Repubs Are Birthers

This is why Steele and some of the non-loon and less loony members of what's left of the GOP are starting to unload on the Birther Cultists.

When 93% of Democrats and 83% of Independents reject the Birther Cultists by saying Obama was born in the US (www.huffingtonpost.com) that leaves the GOP in a terrible bind if it gets wedded in the public imagination with these people. The party's dangerously marginalzed as it is, and if it comes to be associated in the public mind with conspiracy theorists who aren't firing on all cylinders the next election cycle could make 2008 look like a reasonably good year for Republicans.

so I just QUESTION thE FACT That he has spent million to keep it hidden and even though as I said..
if clinton didnt find this, it must be true
but just questioning it ..does that make me one"

and remember when mccain had this very question come up
HOW MUCH money did he spend to hide his?

uh the answer would be none..
he produced the official document and the issue was over....

"That he has spent millions to keep it hidden..."

If it's in the care of the State of Hawaii, how would spending millions affect that one way or the other? Are you saying someone has been bribed? if so, who?

The State of Hawaii went fully electronic in 2001, by the way. How does that affect the quest for "original documentation'?

here is a pretty interesting take on this issue

article.nationalreview.com

If Obama wants to strike a connection with graduating students in Moscow, he makes up a story about meeting his "future wife . . . in class" (Barack and Michelle Obama met at work). If he wants to posture about his poverty and struggle in America, he waxes eloquent about his single mother's surviving on "food stamps" so she could use every cent to send him "to the best schools in the country" (Obama was raised by his maternal grandparents, who had good jobs and were able to pull strings to get him into an elite Hawaiian prep school). If he wants to tie himself to the civil-rights struggle of African Americans, he tells an audience in Selma, "There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma . . . so [my parents] got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born" (Obama was born in 1961, four years before the civil-rights march in Selma by which time his parents had divorced and his mother was planning a move to Indonesia with the second of her two non-African-American husbands). If he wants to buy a home he can't afford, he "unwittingly" collaborates with a key fundraiser (who had been publicly reported to be under federal investigation for fraud and political corruption). If he wants to sell a phony stimulus as a job-creator, he tells the country that Caterpillar has told him the stimulus will enable the company "to rehire some of the folks who were just laid off" (Caterpillar's CEO actually said no, "we're going to have more layoffs before we start hiring again")...

The point here is not to join another crackpot conspiracy...The point is that he lies elaborately about himself and plainly doesn't believe it's important to be straight with the American people.

While it is all well and good to belittle the birth-certificate controversy, without it we'd know only what the media and Obama himself would tell us about his multiple citizenships, which is nothing. We now know Obama, by operation of British and Kenyan law, was a citizen of Kenya (a status that lapsed in 1982, when he turned 21). That's something voters would find relevant, especially when Obama's shocking 2006 conduct in Kenya is considered. But we don't know about his Kenyan citizenship because the media thought it was newsworthy. We know it only because of the birth-certificate controversy: Pressed to debunk the allegation that Obama was born in Kenya, his embarrassed supporters felt compelled to clarify his Kenyan citizenship. article.nationalreview.com

Mr. Transparency is obviously duplicitous, and acting like he has to hide something.

I read the National Review article that was linked. My judgment is that it's a Birther document using bigger words.

The "logic" is the same. The attention to detail is dubious: Obama, had he been born in Kenya at the time stated, was a British Subject, not "Kenyan".

The writer makes a point of stating foreign law doesn't apply to US citizeship issues then makes a point of telling us how it could.

Beyond that, the entire argument rests on a dishonestly not explicit accusation the Hawaiian State government is and was being paid off in some way to deny information to the public.

This gets us to my original point: How big do you want to make this conspiracy? Do you want to name names for a change, aside from Obama? And do you have any proof anyone is/was paid off?

"Acting like he's trying to hide something...."

Is arguably no worse than acting like you've got a brain. Time to stop.

"Shocking 2006 behavior in Kenya..."

Words fail me. Just stupid.

I will end my part on this thread with a repeat
the issue was brought up with mccain
he gave us the official birth certificate

the matter was dropped

To be frank, given the level of intelligence and lack of good will or honesty shown in this matter, I wouldn't give the Birthers anything more, either. I'd let them howl, just out of stubborness.

Finding the truth isn't what this is about.

Finding the truth isn't what this is about.

#147 | Posted by Zed

Correct! Hiding the truth is what this is really about!

At least we agree on something.

"At least we agree on something...."

Unless its on the silliness of all this, then no, we don't.

Finding the truth isn't what this is about.

#147 | Posted by Zed at 2009-08

I am glad you agree with me because I believe the same thing
obama and dems will drag this as far as they can
AGAIN...it gives them more chances to demean, demonize, marginalize, and assault more americans each day

Obama has satisfied all legal requirements.

He is under no compulsion to release anything more just because his political opponents challenge him to.

In fact, it would be foolish for him to do so and would only add fuel to this dismal fire.

If anyone has any hard evidence they should file a lawsuit and go before a judge. That's the way people who observe the rule of law behave.

Rumors and innuendo are for demagogues and the fools that follow them.

Just because you really want a story to be true, doesn't make it so.

John McCain was born in Panama! He has never produced a birth certificate that shows he was by any definition an American. When McCain comes clean then worry about the duly elected president. Duly elected, not appointed by the US Supreme Court.

Get over it you lives.

How about 2001 poling about how many Liberals didn't think Bush won the election?

I don't think that Liberals are 100% convinced that their fearless leader is a natural born citizen. Otherwise they wouldn't be making such a big fuzz about it.

"John McCain was born in Panama! ......."

Conservatives told us for years and years that Guantanamo Bay was not really the United States and that therefore prisoners had no rights to access U.S. justice. Well, by that logic, the Panama Canal Zone wasn't really the U.S. either so according to them, McCain would not be a natural born citizen.

Only 58%?? I just gained a little respect for the Repubs - I thought 100% of them were dumber than a bag of hammers.

I hope this issue NEVER dies, because it is more telling of the downright stupidity of the Repub base than just about anything I can think of (though the re-election of GWB is still way up on that list too).

#122 | POSTED BY UTASTAFF
"Birth certificates and transcripts are hidden like a state secret. What he is hiding? "

When your enemies are digging themselves into a hole, you don't take away their shovel.

***

#25 | POSTED BY ELCIDCE90
"Wow, 100 people"

CID, you don't really think only 100 people were surveyed, do you?

So we are up to thread #51 !!!!

And folks are commenting about a 'poll' that included 100 people?

Unfreakinbelievable.

And folks are commenting about a 'poll' that included 100 people?

#157 | Posted by MURPHY

While the article didn't explain that very well, I would assume they're speaking of percentages.

And folks are commenting about a 'poll' that included 100 people?

Unfreakinbelievable.

What's not "unfreakinbelievable" is the FACT that that "100 people" is a lie.

Standard polling practices, margin of error, solid methodology. But don't take my word on it:

After initial questions of whether this can be, it's clear that the polling methodology looks pretty good: Research 2000 polled a decent sample of 2,400 adults nationwide, and the regions are split evenly.

politics.theatlantic.com

"After...evenly."

(left out the quotes indicating attribution)

Margin of Error: 2%

1st question in the poll:

Do you believe that America and Africa were once part of the same continent?

www.dailykos.com

ROFLMAO!

And the naysayers said?

www.wnd.com

Obama has satisfied all legal requirements.

He is under no compulsion to release anything more just because his political opponents challenge him to.

In fact, it would be foolish for him to do so and would only add fuel to this dismal fire.

If anyone has any hard evidence they should file a lawsuit and go before a judge. That's the way people who observe the rule of law behave.

Rumors and innuendo are for demagogues and the fools that follow them.

Just because you really want a story to be true, doesn't make it so.

#151 | Posted by silver_ironist at 2009

uh..actually they dont have the official requirements..what they have is written notes from poliicial operatives and thats about it.
so I guess the messiah wouldnt use CHICAGO WAYS to bribe people into coming up with any of those

COULD HE

oh wait...he could if he worked for cbs

and oh yeah
he still refusing to release records asked of him about applications for scholarships meant for foriegn students as well as other college records..

makes you wonder why>


Somewhere, in Kenya, a village is missing their idiot!


"Somewhere, in Kenya, a village is missing their idiot!"

So you better hurry back there.

It's not hard to understand why the Republicans refuse to accept the proof Obama already offered, a valid birth certificate from a US state. Hawaii has been a state since 1959. Many Republicans I know don't know that yet. Just the other day my republican brother asked when I was going back the the US too visit (I live in Hawaii). I told him as soon as I renew my passport. He thought I was serious, but in all fairness he is a dumb hillbilly that never escaped the nest just like most of his peers.

'It's not hard to understand why the Republicans refuse to accept the proof Obama already offered, a valid birth certificate from a US state.'

A 'certificate of birth' is what our non transparent leader has produced. What the birthers want, like myself, is the long form to see if his dad was a British subject.

'The document is a "certification of birth," also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents' hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a database with fewer details. The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department.

We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response.'

The long form kids. That what us 'birthers' want to see.

But Barack seems resistant to let anyone see it and hence the atmosphere of suspicion.

I think BHO likes this game, and he's manipulating the people of this nation for political reasons.

Ringmaster, hope you understand now. The short form is honky dory but it leaves some questions unanswered.

P.S. You might want to ease up on the fiction a little, it (unlike our President) is very transparent.

"New Mexico" magazine used to run a regular column called "One of Our States is Missing," loaded with samples of Americans' geographical ignorance.

And if his father was a UK subject---when did Kenya achieve independence---or a Kenyan citizen, so what? He was born in the USA and his mother was an American, so what's your point?

"A 'certificate of birth' is what our non transparent leader has produced. What the birthers want, like myself, is the long form to see if his dad was a British subject."

Doesn't make any difference whatsoever:

US Code > Title 8 > Chapter 12 > Subchapter III > Part I > 1405

A person born in Hawaii on or after August 12, 1898, and before April 30, 1900, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900. A person born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900, is a citizen of the United States at birth. A person who was a citizen of the Republic of Hawaii on August 12, 1898, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900.

Nothing in there about a parent's citizenship.

Nope.

Nothing in there whatsoever.

"What the birthers want, like myself, is the long form ..."

Bullshit. No, you don't.

What you want is...

...if we could only prove that Barack Obama was "born in Kenya," his presidency would go away and White Power would be restored.
If anything is transparent, that would be it.

Patient: Excuse me doctor, but I have this ......I don't know.. sniveling mass on my ass.

Patient: When I try to sit down it whines....like a little..

Doc: bitch?

Patient: Yes doctor that's it!! A bitch!!

Doc: Don't worry about it. It's called a "birther".

They go away after a few weeks.

Orly Taitz apparently has obtained a signed and sealed Certified Copy of Registration of Birth for Obama from Kenya. Says he was born 8/4/1961 at Coast General Hospital in Mombassa. She has filed it with the US District Court and requested expedited discovery.

Let's see if Obama now will be willing to stop fighting and approve the release of his supposed Hawaiian Birth Certificate.

Soon to be the battle of the birth certificates.

Excuse me doctor, but I have this ......I don't know.. sniveling mass on my ass.

#173 | Posted by jerrytarkanian at 2009-08-02 06:15 PM

Oh God that's tempting....

But I'll force myself to not make any further comment. lol

"Orly Taitz apparently ..."

The Russian, dentist, mail-order lawyer and real estate agent?

That Orly Taitz?

"She has filed it with the US District Court..."

Then it is a public record. On line.

Like this:

www.thesmokinggun.com

Here's a link to Obama's SIGNED AND SEALED copy:

www.factcheck.org

LINK TO THE "SIGNED AND SEALED COPY OF REGISTRATION OF BIRTH FOR OBAMA" DOCUMENT, PLEASE

Or is this just another Michelle Obama "Whitey tape" tease?

Yep... Obama's is signed:

www.factcheck.org

and sealed:

www.factcheck.org

WHERE'S THE LINK TO THE ONE SUPPOSEDLY FILED BY ORLY?????????

In January 2009, a teacher at the Honolulu prep school attended by Barack Obama recalled discussing his birth with the obstetrician who had delivered him:
When Barack Hussein Obama places his hand on the Bible to take the oath of office as 44th president of the United States, Barbara Nelson of Kenmore will undoubtedly think back to the day he was born. It was Aug. 4, 1961, at Kapi'olani Medical Center for Women & Children in Honolulu.

"I may be the only person left who specifically remembers his birth. His parents are gone, his grandmother is gone, the obstetrician who delivered him is gone," said Nelson, referring to Dr. Rodney T. West, who died in February at the age of 98. Here's the story: Nelson was having dinner at the Outrigger Canoe Club on Waikiki Beach with Dr. West, the father of her college friend, Jo-Anne. Making conversation, Nelson turned to Dr. West and said: "So, tell me something interesting that happened this week," she recalls.

His response: "Well, today, Stanley had a baby. Now that's something to write home about."

The new mother was Stanley (later referred to by her middle name of Ann) Dunham, and the baby was Barack Hussein Obama.

"I penned the name on a napkin, and I did write home about it," said Nelson, knowing that her father, Stanley A. Czurles, director of the Art Education Department at Buffalo State College, would be interested in the "Stanley" connection.

She also remembers Dr. West mentioning that the baby's father was the first black student at the University of Hawaii and how taken he was by the baby's name.

"I remember Dr. West saying 'Barack Hussein Obama, now that's a musical name,'" said Nelson.

Ten years after that memorable birth announcement, Nelson would hear the Obama name again. This time, the father, now a Kenyan government official, was coming to speak at the Punahou School in Honolulu where Nelson was teaching and where his 10-year-old son was a newly enrolled fifth-grader.

Last updated: 27 July 2009

www.snopes.com

By the way, the "Kenyan birth certificate" has been floating around for well over a year.

Why was Biden at the "beer summit" and why did both Obama and Joe have their coats off? Why did Obama drink (gag) Bud Lite? I bet he played it just like Dean Stockwell did as Ben to Dennis Hopper's Frank in the neo-Noir Blue Velvet.

Ben: To your health.
Frank Booth: Ah, shit, let's drink to something else. Let's drink to fucking. Yeah, say, "Here's to your fuck, Frank."
Ben: If you like, Frank. Here's to your fuck.

Truthsetyoufree writes:

'Doesn't make any difference whatsoever:'

US Code > Title 8 > Chapter 12 > Subchapter III > Part I > 1405

A person born in Hawaii on or after August 12, 1898, and before April 30, 1900, is declared (blah, blah more irreverent blahs)

Nope.

Nothing in there whatsoever.'

What truthwillsetyoufree misses the point.

Sure, BHO was born in Hawaii and a citizen, but if his dad was a British subject is he a natural born citizen?

Anyway, what pisses me off is he should produce the birth certificate and he won't because he's a manipulative weasel.

'Barack Obama (born 1961), 44th president of the United States, was born in Honolulu, Hawaii to a U.S. citizen mother and a British subject father from the Kenya Colony of the United Kingdom. Before and after the 2008 presidential election, the argument was made that he was not a natural born citizen. On June 12, 2008, the Obama presidential campaign launched a website to counter what it described as smears by his opponents, including these challenges to his eligibility. In two other lawsuits, the plaintiffs argued that it was irrelevant whether he was born in Hawaii, but argued instead that he was nevertheless not a natural born citizen because his citizenship status at birth was also governed by the British Nationality Act of 1948. The relevant courts have either denied all applications or declined to render a judgment due to lack of jurisdiction.'

So hopefully you understand why there is an important question here.

Or maybe you could be a little itty bit irked that a government official could play honest citizens like they were pieces on a chess board for political purposes.

Hope and Change. Transparency. Bull sh*it manipulation is more like it. He could make this go away in 5 minutes if he wanted to, but he's a manipulator.

Zulu is upset that Obama is FORCING him to behave as if he were an idiot intent on birtherdom, irrespective of the fact that Zulu just can't fucking accept Barack Obama as president in any case.

LOL.

"...the British Nationality Act of 1948."

You're arguing that a law of a foreign country takes precedence over US law (US Code > Title 8 > Chapter 12 > Subchapter III > Part I > 1405)?

Good luck with that "argument".

"Anyway, what pisses me off is he should produce the birth certificate ..."

Be pissed off. Who cares?

Meanwhile, the vast majority of people in this country understand that this proves he was born a US citizen (US Code > Title 8 > Chapter 12 > Subchapter III > Part I > 1405).

Sure, BHO was born in Hawaii and a citizen

#181 | Posted by zulu at 2009-08-02 09:46 PM

Sure, BHO was born in Hawaii and a citizen

#181 | Posted by zulu at 2009-08-02 09:46 PM

Sure, BHO was born in Hawaii and a citizen

#181 | Posted by zulu at 2009-08-02 09:46 PM

Sure, BHO was born in Hawaii and a citizen

#181 | Posted by zulu at 2009-08-02 09:46 PM


Zulu is upset that Obama is FORCING him to behave as if he were an idiot intent on birtherdom, irrespective of the fact that Zulu just can't fucking accept Barack Obama as president in any case.

LOL.

#182 | Posted by BetelG

How lond are you going to laugh?

There are a number of voters who feel the same way and that number is growing. So sad.

I gave Obama a chance, but he fucked up within the first 60 days of his term. He lost me. I don't support him for the next term, no way, no how.

You "Obama Is Not Quite Ready For Prime Time" deniers are going to have to accept that you made a huge mistake by electing him. Even your Bill Maher says that you're "stupid" for electing him.

"Bill Maher says that you're "stupid" for electing him..."

No, he doesn't.

Ahhh, and the plot just keeps thickening!

www.wnd.com

"Ahhh, and the plot just keeps thickening!"

World nut daily?

That's "thickening"?

ROTFLMAO....

"Sure, BHO was born in Hawaii and a citizen..."

#181 | Posted by zulu at 2009-08-02 09:46 PM

You all need to get your stories straight.

"Ahhh, and the plot just keeps thickening!"

World nut daily?

That's "thickening"?

ROTFLMAO....

#189 | Posted by truthsetyoufree

Keep laughing. And I will continue watching you try to divert attention.

Yes sirreeeee! And this certificate even has an embossed seal, as well as a signature....a whole lot more than the "certificate of live birth" that Lord Zero has provided!

Things that make you go "Hmmmmmmmmm!"

www.wnd.com

The "birthers", such as "THEONEBS", are the core of the modern Republican Party. There is no damned way they will admit the legitimacy of "Barry Hussein", the first black president. They won't be silenced, and the South will rise again!

Amen!

And adios, and good night.

"And this certificate even has an embossed seal, as well as a signature...."

Oops... an embossed seal:

www.factcheck.org

...and a Hawaii government-issued signature:

www.factcheck.org

Things that make you go "Hmmmmmmmmm!"

Where's the Michelle Obama "Whitey tape" we were promised?

Things that make you go "Hmmmmmmmmm!"

Could this be it?

www.wnd.com

"Could this be it....?"

This thing is "a certified copy of the original". Gee, whiz, hmmmmmm...

Let's just apply a little Birther "logic" to this problem, shall we? A little of Birther standards of proof? Having done that, we must conclude this ain't shit, to coin a phrase.

It's a forgery, one of a series. There appears to be a cottage industry out there creating things like this. I think the idea is to keep producing something after learning from past mistakes in the hopes of getting serious attention.

Sure, the person that sent this in is anonymous. My guess is he always will be. How damned convenient. And ever so much more trustworthy than the Secretary of State for Hawaii.

You guys are loons. Nasty ones.

"You guys are loons. Nasty ones..."

I imagine you practice. I pity anyone that lives with you.


"Bill Maher says that you're "stupid" for electing him..."

No, he doesn't.

#187 | Posted by truthsetyoufree

look up "Bill Maher Stupid" on youtube.

"look up "Bill Maher Stupid" on youtube."

Okay:

Bill Maher Calls America A 'Stupid Country'
The 'Real Time' host gets controversial on CNN
No stranger to controversy, Bill Maher waded into the depths again on CNN Monday. The host of HBO's Real Time with Bill Maher called America a 'stupid country' during an interview on the Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer. After a commercial break, Blitzer mentioned an almost immediate backlash against the comment and allowed Maher a chance to apologize. Maher stood by the remark and suggested that any country that would allow Sarah Palin to rise to fame should be classified as 'stupid.'

www.chicagotribune.com

"any country that would allow Sarah Palin to rise to fame should be classified as 'stupid.'"

Yep. As I said, no, he doesn't call America "stupid" for electing Obama.

It is one thing for his grandmother and others to swear that he was born in Kenya,

~Theo Nebs

Whaa? Now where did Theo hear that?

* rifles through back copies of WND *

Got it.

This has been a real sham he's pulled off for the last 20 months," Berg told Savage. "I'll release it [the tape] in a day or two, affidavits from her talking to a certain person. I heard the tape. She was speaking [to someone] here in the United States.

www.wnd.com

In a day or two?

That's from the World Nut Daily from October last year.

Where's the tape?

They delayed the release?

Why?

Cos they wanted to add a B side hip hop version of the Michelle "whitey" tape replete with auto-tuned effects and that took a while to put together?

K, well nvm then, cos that's TOTALLY believable.

S'rsly./snark>

Be Well.

"And this certificate even has an embossed seal, as well as a signature...."

Oops... an embossed seal:

www.factcheck.org

...and a Hawaii government-issued signature:

www.factcheck.org

Things that make you go "Hmmmmmmmmm!"

#193 | Posted by truthsetyoufree

Tsk tsk tsk. Truth obviously fails to see the conflict of interest behind his beloved factcheck.org. The reader can see the obvious slant and failure to report the whole truth by factcheck.org in this link, and also some interesting questions that ol' factcheck doesn't answer:

www.wnd.com

More things that make you go "Hmmmmmmmmmm!"

"fails to see the conflict of interest behind his beloved factcheck.org."

And what "conflict of interest" would that be?

"Shocker poll from Kos/Research2000"

Suddenly the lefties have a poll they can wrap their arms around.

In the short run, the "birthers" are mainly a danger to the conservative leadership of the GOP: they reinforce an image of the grassroots right as irrational and aflame with cultural resentments instead of ideas for solving the nation's problems. However, the sentiments the birthers represent have deep roots in US history -- from the anti-French hostility of the late 1790s through the Know-Nothings of the 1850s, the Anglo-Saxon nativism of the early 20th century, and the anti-Muslim outbreaks of the late 1970s. Reduce...

It is ironic that, in a nation of immigrants and the descendants of immigrants, hostility toward "aliens" and their ways has often been so popular and powerful a force. But the identity of President Obama inevitably awakens those sentiments, and I would not be surprised if they continue to grow during the course of his administration -- particularly in areas where there is already friction with new immigrants and where the economy has not improved.

Michael Kazin
Professor of History
Georgetown University

Birthers are certainly dangerous to the Republican Party. Indeed, this fringe faction of conservatism can prove to be devastating in the effort to rebuild the GOP. Conservatives have an unexpectedly major opportunity to energize their party following the failures of the Bush administration and the 2008 campaign. President Obama has opened up a debate about the role of government in the United States. With health care, environmental regulation, and the economic stimulus before the public, Republicans, if they chose, could attempt to define themselves in opposition to government intervention and in favor of market-oriented approaches.

This could be the debate they present to the public in 2010 and 2012. Instead, many in the party seem to be tempted by the ugly nativist impulse that motivates the Birthers. Republicans can only rebuild themselves by becoming the party of the future, not the party of the past.

Julian E. Zelizer
Professor of History & Public Affairs
Princeton University
www.politico.com

The birther noise makes knee-jerk opposition to President Obama seem racist, and Republicans would be wise to slam the door shut on these crazies who insult the intelligence of the majority of Americans who voted for Obama.

As to the immigration angle, my hope is that the birther noise will harm nativist anti-immigration forces, revealing them for what they truly are.

I mean, can anyone still take Lou Dobbs seriously on any subject after this?

Andres Martinez
Director, Bernalrd L. Schwartz Fellows Program
New America Foundation
www.politico.com

"Birthers," like other cultists, are dangerous because they think they already have the answer and will reject anything or anyone that does not agree. The facts do not matter when true believers feel they know the truth. "He's not one of us," they are saying.

A classic study by social psychologists of a cult that predicted the end of the world on a specific date discovered that disconfirmation of a strongly-held belief propelled believers to redouble their faith and their efforts. If one fact is disproven, there must be another one out there that shows that the cults' ideology is correct -- or that there's another conspiracy to conceal it. Reduce...

In this case, birthers and their relatives in the right-wing smear brigade keep repeating using any slender hook,"He's not one of US." (And, they imply, neither is Judge Sonia Sotomayor, liberals, African-Americans in the administration, scientists concerned about global warmingyou name it.) It is very difficult to confront ideology with facts, because true believers will simply work harder to find excuses to make noise.

The only response after confronting allegations with facts is to ignore and isolate cultists. The Republican Congressmen proposing a bill are making these cultists seem mainstream. But even ridicule makes them famous and helps them win adherents. Not only is this a distraction from the important issues of health care, job creation, and strengthening public education, it makes the education part more urgent. Every child in every school should learn science, math, logic, and analysis, to know when a fact is a fact and why facts matter.

Rosabeth Moss Kanter
Professor, Harvard Business School
www.politico.com

Tsk tsk tsk Doc! The old "racist" argument from the tired libtardom.

We don't want Obama to fail because he's black. We want him to fail cuz he's a lying phony and his policies will destroy this country.

But keep crying "racist." It's all you libtards have in your arsenal anymore!

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