Pregnant women, children and health care workers will be getting the first of the three vaccinations.

There is some talk of this vaccine, coincidentally developed a mere 8 months before the recent swine flu outbreak, is really a bio-weapon developed at Fort Dix from an 1918 Alaskan corpse.

Why use a designer bio-weapon on non-military? Selective exposure for a second weapon or weaponization?

Count me out.

Swine flu I (Gerald Ford) saw the vaccine kill more people than the allegedly deadly virus.
AIDS I saw AZT kill more people than the allegedly deadly virus. If that is not true, then why is this drug not prescribed anymore and "magically," thanks to science of course, people survive?
Swine flu II now has mercury injected into people to "save" them.
The federal health scare bureacracy needs a friggin investigation and prosecutions for scare mongering to get funding. This is fraud that does not leave people just broke like Madoff. It leaves them DEAD and needs to be reined in.

Diablo,

While some vaccinations do result in induced illness and some, on rare occasions, do more harm than good...I think it's safe to say that vaccines have a commendable overall success ratio. Just look at the Polio vaccine.

I agree, Jeff! I object only to imaginary diseases.
Most vaccines can be made without mercury. The "fast track" mentality that gave us AZT deaths is caused by artificial panic inspired by the same government health drones wanting funding.

I object only to imaginary diseases.

OK - your argument makes more sense now.

Oh, to save zombie the effort, I repost one of his earlier rants against something similar I posted. Note the cool, collected and scientific "logic." as he injects religion into this so as to inflame emotion:

"Global warming exists, as does an HIV pandemic in heterosexual populations and a pandemic of a new influenza virus. You don't wish to acknowledge them because you don't understand these issues well to begin with, and learning about them would challenge your dearly-held political and religious ideologies. You're the lowest kind of fucking moron - the kind of shitbag that chooses to remain ignorant and then wallow in their ignorance. Like a pig revels in its own filth, your kind views a refusal to acknowledge reality as a virtue. Humanity would be far better off without those types..."

And you are the type who would inject mercury into newborns while forcing AZT into AIDS patients. Your reality is a virtue?

Interesting link for those who think AZT was a cure:

I wonder where are the gays from the "Band Played On" era who now hush up about AZT killing them off? You would think this would be considered among gays a mass murder by bureaucracy, but they realize political power is more important than mere justice and equality.
Just like the French Revolution and Soviet Russia: social justice and equality somehow end up killing lots of people when they are elevated to the only virtues.

This will be a set of three vaccinations?

Mercury would make me think twice before getting even one of them.

The disease isn't so much imaginary as a product bioweapons labs run amuck. Remind anyone of the conveniently timed, unsolved Anthrax scare?

After using it harmlessly for twenty years, Saline Solution with thimerosal inflamed my eyes something terrible. As soon as I found a Saline Solution without that preservative, I was back to normal in two days.

So why do we ban aspirin for children and look the other way for this AZT mass murder?

Hmm... I must have missed the study that showed antiretroviral treatment in HIV+ individuals decreased lifespan.

wonder where are the gays from the "Band Played On" era who now hush up about AZT killing them off?

Last time I checked, it was opportunistic infections that kill AIDS patients. That tends to happen when you don't have a functioning adaptive immune system. But maybe I should defer to the wisdom of a crank with no medical or scientific background... yeah, that sounds like a good idea.

You believe something posted on prisonplanet.com? Really?

There's not really much I can say on the thiomersal issue. I can post links to study after study affirming the safety of vaccines that contain the preservative (as I've done before), but it won't matter to the kool-aid drinking crowd of conspiracists that float around this site.

They will believe what they want to believe, facts be damned. If flu were more virulent, it would allow the problem of your stupidity to solve itself... but for now you'll stick around, albeit at the mercy of mother nature.

And by "you" in the above post, I'm referring to Skidmark his band of merry men.

Big pharma: Poisoning you to death for all these years...

From the Wash Post article:

Some of the vaccine will be stored in multi-dose vials containing thimerosal, an antibacterial additive that contains mercury. But there will also be single-dose syringes without thimerosal, a substance that some assert is harmful to children.

MMS Protocol doesn't have mercury:>)

Can MMS reduce my mercury levels?
Posted by: admin in mercury, tags: Dosage, mercury level, Protocol-MMS

I am taking only 2 drops of MMS in the evening, then 10 drops of lime and then water after 3 minutes. Even that small dose and I can barely walk or sit up. So you think this might reduce my mercury levels? Would it be OK to reduce my drops to one drop one time a day since I am having such a horrible time on 2 drops one time per day?

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I have a lot of evidence that MMS removes heavy metal including Hg I have done test before and after, after 2 weeks of taking MMS I have gotten good indications of metal removes. It's been very successfully removing it from the body. Also reduce your drops to 1 drop until you get passed the reactions when you feel better start increasing the drops. If you feel bad again lower your dose. you can take the 1 drop 2 times a day and see how that works if it works out ok increase to 2 drops the next day. Visit www.miraclemineral.org for the MMS book and DVD or www.jimhumble.com for more info.

A bartender is just a pharmacist
with a limited inventory

Study supports safety of vaccine ingredient thimerosal
Mon, Jan 26, 2009 (HealthDay News) -- A new study offers more proof that thimerosal -- a mercury-based preservative once used in many vaccines -- poses no threat to children's brains. There has been intense debate about whether thimerosal causes autism, a link repeatedly discounted in scientific studies.

The new study included 1,403 Italian children who were given vaccines in the early 1990s and underwent brain function tests 10 years later. Those tests showed no signs of problems and only one case of autism was identified, the Associated Press reported.

The findings appear in the February issue of the journal Pediatrics.

"Put together with the evidence of all the other studies, this tells us there is no reason to worry about the effect of thimerosal in vaccines," said lead author Dr. Alberto Tozzi of Bambino Gesu Hospital in Rome, the AP reported.

The study was welcomed by outside experts.

"It's yet another well-done, peer-reviewed research study that has demonstrated there is no risk of any neurodevelopmental outcomes associated with thimerosal in vaccines," University of Pennsylvania epidemiologist Jennifer Pinto-Martin told the AP.

mercury in haemorrhoid stuff, too...stops the swellin'

How's this for a conspiracy theory:

Dems released the Swine Flu pandemic after the GOP mocked the inclusion of funds for pandemic preparedness in the Stimulus Bill.

(The Hulkster made this up, so there's not really any need to debunk it.)

HULKAMANIA FOREVER

Bani,
Seriously. You really should stop pushing that MMS shit.

AIDS I saw AZT kill more people than the allegedly deadly virus.

Anecdotes don't mean shit for a reason, Diablo. Your personal experiences are statistically insignificant and actual, real data indicates that what you say is opposite the truth.

If that is not true, then why is this drug not prescribed anymore and "magically," thanks to science of course, people survive?

Probably because new drugs have been developed that don't have as many side effects as AZT but are more effective.

Swine flu II now has mercury injected into people to "save" them.

Bani,
Seriously. You really should stop pushing that MMS shit.

Jul 30 2008
My husband took 12 drops and had some reactions, have you heard of these reactions?
Posted by: admin in Cancer and MMS, Dosage, Effects, large doses, tags: cancer, dose, reactions

Dear Jim, I hope you are well. My husband and I were at 15 drops once daily before he left on a trip. He missed a few days and then resumed at 6 or 8 drops a day. I had informed him of the importance of a slow and gradual buildup to 15 drops. Unfortunately, he decided to jump to 12 drops/twice daily from 6. Yesterday evening after his second 12-drop dose of the day, he felt nauseous. We tried apples, peppermint.nothing helped. I was quite concerned as he went through about three rounds of vomiting, multiple times during each round (during a 2-2.5 hr span of time). In total, he probably vomited 9 or 10 times. The MMS was ingested about 1.5-2 hrs after a meal. He is just getting over a cold. Have you ever heard of such a reaction? We are unaware of any illness that might bring on such a strong reaction. Thanks again for all that you do, Jim. We purchased more MMS for my sister-in-law (and your book) and she is thrilled as her husband's PSA levels have increased again. He has undergone various treatments for prostate cancer. Blessings & peace for you always,

Debra

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Debra, Yes, yes. Many people get that kind of a reaction. It was coming. It isn't something that he caused by going from 6 to 12 drops although that brought it on faster. He's just been digging the microorganisms out from deep in this body. He'll be better now. However, if the apples don't work, try 5000 mg of vitamin C in a glass of water. PSA levels often increase a little before beginning to decrease, however, more prostate cancer cured so far than anything else.

JimHumble

maybe Sen Dodd needs MMS Protocol more than OBamaCare?:>)

Right, some evidence-less claims posted on this snake oil salesmen's website are clear proof of the effectiveness of MMS. There's absolutely NOOOOOOOOOOO way he could just be making shit up.

(in the voice of an 11-year-old)
Oh yeah? Well, some kid who is a friend of my friend, but you don't know him... he kept this bug in his hand for, like, a week... and it laid eggs in his hand and they went into his brain... and, like, he died. But I don't know his name or when this happened. And since he goes to a different school, you can't find anybody who knows him.

Sound familiar? The same scare stories have been circulating since the 5th grade.

HULKAMANIA FOREVER

especially since so many friends of mine have had dramatic experiences of healings from it...ignorance must be bliss, JPW?

This might be newsworthy except that there is no evidence that the mercury containing compounds in vaccines cause autism and the existing evidence (and there is a lot, as these bogus claims have been around for awhile) calls for the rejection of such a causal link.

Maybe this is why so many scientific and medical organizations (AMA, NAS, FDA, CDCP, WHO and many other national and international organizations) have rejected such a link, or MAYBE IT'S A HUGE WORLDWIDE CONSPIRACY!!!!

On second thought, the second possibility seems much more likely...

so amalgams are good for u?

no wonder my pappillon won't eat tuna!

especially since so many friends of mine have had dramatic experiences of healings from it

Considering there is no way to actually tell if the MMS did anything to contribute to the "dramatic experiences of healings," you anecdotes carry as much weight as all the rest-none.

...ignorance must be bliss, JPW?

Better than being fleeced by a snake oil salesmen and going back for more.

Yesterday evening after his second 12-drop dose of the day, he felt nauseous. We tried apples, peppermint.nothing helped. I was quite concerned as he went through about three rounds of vomiting, multiple times during each round (during a 2-2.5 hr span of time). In total, he probably vomited 9 or 10 times.

That's what happens when you poison yourself.

He's just been digging the microorganisms out from deep in this body.

Just like boring a hole into that epileptic's skull helps get the demons out. Did anyone think that his stomach lining and intestinal mucosa are being damaged by the oxidizing agent in your miracle panacea... nah... Humble wouldn't apply a bit of common sense when his profits are on the line.

yeah, really fleeced...FF

My friends paid for these...each bottle has over a years supply...I guess it might work, no? lol

Jul. 6, 2009 03:28:54 PDT
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Just like boring a hole into that epileptic's skull helps get the demons out. Did anyone think that his stomach lining and intestinal mucosa are being damaged by the oxidizing agent in your miracle panacea...
#35 | Posted by ZombieHunter

nothing that plain yogurt can't fixed:>)

from an old friend in N.M. & unsoliticed:>)

Monday, July 20, 2009 9:01:30 PM

And you are the type who would inject mercury into newborns while forcing AZT into AIDS patients.

Given the rather obvious alternatives, yes. The fact that you would not makes you either exceedingly ignorant or incredibly depraved. Or both (which would be my bet).

Your reality is a virtue?

Reality is reality. The ability to recognize it and adapt instead of retreating into some sort of magical rightwing fantasyland is a virtue.

#38 | POSTED BY BANI

Pointing out more anecdotes doesn't strengthen the others.

"I agree, Jeff! I object only to imaginary diseases."

Oh, really. Swine flu is imaginary? So the scientists at the CDC and WHO have been characterizing an imaginary virus? This vaccine is being made with an imaginary virus? The thousands of people who have gotten sick across the globe had an imaginary disease?
You really should stick to topics that you have more than an imaginary grasp of.

"by artificial panic inspired by the same government health drones wanting funding."

You have no idea how science funding works, do you? Do you have any idea how science ANYTHING works?
#24 | Posted by jpw at 2009-07-31 03:14 PM

I have an idea that Bird Flu, Swine Flu, West Nile and HIV among others are militarized bio-weapons purposefully released on the civilian population to cause panic and forced vaccinations - which are also bio-weapons.

Thank goodness the Anthrax bio-weapon "scare" wasn't predating upon the civilian population! Otherwise Tamaflu stock might have made Rumsfeld a rich bastard... Oh, wait..

Perhaps there is something to be found in following the money?

"I have an idea that Bird Flu, Swine Flu, West Nile and HIV among others are militarized bio-weapons purposefully released on the civilian population to cause panic and forced vaccinations - which are also bio-weapons."

I have an idea that you're paranoid.

I have an idea that Bird Flu, Swine Flu, West Nile and HIV among others are militarized bio-weapons purposefully released on the civilian population to cause panic and forced vaccinations - which are also bio-weapons.

Robot, are you fucking serious? Show some proof of that... and before you go linking to some deranged idiot from prisonplanet, keep in mind nobody worth listening to gives a shit about what you have to say unless you can back it up with hard empirical evidence. I could babble on and on about SIV and chimps and sooty mangabeys or migratory waterfowl and influenza viruses, but no matter what I say I won't persuade you. You do not place any value on factual evidence... you value a good yarn over hard science and common fucking sense.

Pointing out more anecdotes doesn't strengthen the others.

#40 | Posted by jpw

especially when so many have had the same wonderful results via MMS Protocol...lol

you value a good yarn over hard science and common fucking sense.

Posted by ZombieHunter

yarn quite cheap, too...

"I have an idea that Bird Flu, Swine Flu, West Nile and HIV among others are militarized bio-weapons purposefully released on the civilian population to cause panic and forced vaccinations - which are also bio-weapons."

Robot, are you fucking serious? Show some proof of that... and before you go linking to some deranged idiot from prisonplanet, keep in mind nobody worth listening to gives a shit about what you have to say unless you can back it up with hard empirical evidence. I could babble on and on about SIV and chimps and sooty mangabeys or migratory waterfowl and influenza viruses, but no matter what I say I won't persuade you. You do not place any value on factual evidence... you value a good yarn over hard science and common fucking sense.
#43 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2009-07-31 04:39 PM

Seriously, yes, I am.

You don't speak for anyone but yourself, so keep that well in mind, particularly when you denigrate "deranged idiot Prison Planet" enthusiasts. You don't need persuasion and I never intended on doing so. Keep your bitchy agenda in your pants and inquire respectfully - I'm a freakin' delicate flower!

If you had been following the anthrax scare you would already know that it's a strain engineered and "stolen" from a United States military base. Investigations indicate from where it came, when it was "stolen" and how it was spun down and charged to become more infectious - a super weapon that was not invented in a cave in Afghanistan. No further investigations needed?

Here's an old, interesting email:

Description: Email rumor
Circulating since: April 2006
Status: Partly true
Email example contributed by Jennie R., April 28, 2006:
Subject: BIRD FLU - US PROPAGANDA!

"Bird Flu"
Do you know that 'bird flu' was discovered in Vietnam 9 years ago?

Do you know that barely 100 people have died in the whole world in all that time?

Do you know that it was the Americans who alerted us to the efficacy of the human antiviral TAMIFLU as a preventative.

Do you know that TAMIFLU barely alleviates some symptoms of the common flu?

Do you know that its efficacy against the common flu is questioned by a great part of the scientific community?

Do you know that against a SUPPOSED mutant virus such as H5N1, TAMIFLU barely alleviates the illness?

Do you know that to date Avian Flu affects birds only?

Do you know who markets TAMIFLU?

ROCHE LABORATORIES.

Do you know who bought the patent for TAMIFLU from ROCHE LABORATORIES in 1996?

GILEAD SCIENCES INC.

Do you know who was the then president of GILEAD SCIENCES INC. and remains a major shareholder?

DONALD RUMSFELD, the present Secretary of Defence of the USA.

Do you know that the base of TAMIFLU is crushed aniseed?

Do you know who controls 90% of the world's production of this tree?

ROCHE.

Do you know that sales of TAMIFLU were over $254 million in 2004 and more than $1000 million in 2005?

Do you know how many more millions ROCHE can earn in the coming months if the business of fear continues?

So the summary of the story is as follows:

Bush's friends decide that the medicine TAMIFLU is the solution for a pandemic that has not yet occurred and that has caused a hundred deaths worldwide in 9 years.

This medicine doesn't so much as cure the common flu.

In normal conditions the virus does not affect humans.

Rumsfeld sells the patent for TAMIFLU to ROCHE for which they pay him a fortune. Roche acquires 90% of the global production of crushed aniseed, the base for the antivirus.

The governments of the entire world threaten a pandemic and then buy industrial quantities of the product from Roche.

Do Drug Companies Secretly Favor a World Flu Pandemic?

By Dr. Mercola

In early May, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius admitted the swine flu virus was not quite the fearsome plague it was widely reported to be in April when the novel influenza A strain (official name H1N1) first emerged in the U.S.

On May 6, Sebelius said:

"We are cautiously optimistic that what we are seeing right now is presenting itself as a much milder virus than the initial cases ... in Mexico."[1]

Ms. Sebelius' remark was likely prompted by the fact the swine flu virus is showing itself to have mild symptoms, quick recovery time, and low incidence of death among the vast majority of H1N1 patients throughout the world (with the single exception of Mexico).

A little over a month later, on June 11, the World Health Organization (WHO) raised its swine flu pandemic alert from a 5 to a 6. [2] Phase 6 is the highest level alert, and reflects the speed with which a virus is spreading not its severity.

WHO actually considers the severity of the H1N1 virus to be moderate, generally defined as an illness requiring neither hospitalization nor even medical care.[3]

From Cautious Optimism to High Risk Pessimism in Under Six Weeks

Who said, "We must protect our purity of essence?"

Anyone who watches MSM knows mercury is GOOD for you. It has vitamins and stuff.

Definitely get your children vaccinated. Take it yourself. Its not that they're trying to dumb us down or anything, they are looking out for our better interests.

jpw wrote (my words in parentheses):

"Oh, really. Swine flu is imaginary? So the scientists at the CDC and WHO have been characterizing an imaginary virus? This vaccine is being made with an imaginary virus? The thousands of people who have gotten sick across the globe had an imaginary disease?
"You really should stick to topics that you have more than an imaginary grasp of.
(by artificial panic inspired by the same government health drones wanting funding.)
"You have no idea how science funding works, do you? Do you have any idea how science ANYTHING works?"

Actually, jpw, I used to do that "complex" and "astonishingly difficult" job of writing grant requests. Despite the science hype, it is as difficult as filling out a magazine subscription card. Science is so dependent on government money it tries to pretend everything relating to its endeavors is beyond the peasant's understanding. Bullshit.
Yes, "by artificial panic" the science community funds itself. The first swine flu panic was a profitable fraud. This one is as well. It serves only as an excuse for Congress to give drug companies billions. The panic is a fine device to keep the public from questioning.
So show us how the first swine flu panic was not a fraud, jpw. It was hyped, millions of our dollars were spent and no more people died than an average flu season, from the virus at least. The vaccine killed more.
yeah...global warming....right...swine flu...LOLOLOL!

Actually, jpw, I used to do that "complex" and "astonishingly difficult" job of writing grant requests. Despite the science hype, it is as difficult as filling out a magazine subscription card.

I call bullshit. If you think writing an NIH grant request is like filling out a magazine subscription card, then either you're full of shit or it just takes you months to fill out your subscription cards. Either that or you the secretary who sends them in after they've been written...

Science is so dependent on government money it tries to pretend everything relating to its endeavors is beyond the peasant's understanding. Bullshit.

Right, we just spend years studying in school and such because anyone can do it, we just enjoy homework. Please. Your average person does not understand most things going on in science today and many of the posts you have posted on science topics indicates you're not too far behind.

Yes, "by artificial panic" the science community funds itself. The first swine flu panic was a profitable fraud. This one is as well.

It's a little early to jump the gun on this one.

Do you even have any idea what goes on in the "science community?" Most basic research is not easily applied to clinical settings and definitely does not drum up money by scare tactics. It does it by showing it is applicable to human disease or biology in some way, but hardly through scare tactics.

It serves only as an excuse for Congress to give drug companies billions. The panic is a fine device to keep the public from questioning.

Uh huh. And it can't possibly be because they want to be prepared. You're probably one of those people who'd bitch no matter what they did-make vaccine and encourage it to be taken, bitch the government is forcing us to do something to make money for scientists and companies, they do nothing, people die, bitch because they didn't see it coming which is what they're paid to do.

So show us how the first swine flu panic was not a fraud, jpw. It was hyped, millions of our dollars were spent and no more people died than an average flu season, from the virus at least. The vaccine killed more.

You can continue to compare it to the previous one, but it only serves to show you really are a peasant who doesn't understand what they're talking about.

So I am a peasant...but you can not show me the first swine flu panic was not a fraud?
The last major REAL flu epidemic we had was Spanish Influenza at the turn of the LAST century around WWI (that's World War One for all you science and business majors who never read a history book). Isn't this grant-panic con job getting even a little stale in your mind afer a century of bullshit?
It is such an obvious con job at least the business majors might pick up on it.
I guess you must make your living off the annual flu panic, or it would not enrage you so much, jpw. Which drug company do you work for, or is it NIH or CDC?

BTW, I am STILL waiting for all my heterosexual acquaintences to start dying of the "heterosexual AIDS pandemic" I have been PROMISED by the "enlightened" scientific health scam bureaucracy is "inevitable" since they first spun that bullshit in the 1980s.
We peasants await your enlightened response, jpw.
Nothing but panic for dollars. Unfortunately, those dollars are stolen from me and given to frauds with letters after their names vaguely resembling the letters they use to describe diseases.

So I am a peasant...but you can not show me the first swine flu panic was not a fraud?

You're asking me to defend something that I've never given my opinion on and which, quite frankly, is irrelevant.

The last major REAL flu epidemic we had was Spanish Influenza at the turn of the LAST century around WWI (that's World War One for all you science and business majors who never read a history book). Isn't this grant-panic con job getting even a little stale in your mind afer a century of bullshit?

Not true.

BTW, I am STILL waiting for all my heterosexual acquaintences to start dying of the "heterosexual AIDS pandemic" I have been PROMISED by the "enlightened" scientific health scam bureaucracy is "inevitable" since they first spun that bullshit in the 1980s.
We peasants await your enlightened response, jpw.

That's because you're one of those fools who things a pandemic means people are lying dead in the streets, stricken down as they walk blah blah blah.

HIV is a pandemic. It is infecting large numbers of heterosexual individuals. Part of the reason your expectations haven't been met is also largely due to the fact that you live in a country where HIV has been relatively well controlled by the public health infrastructure. Move to China, India or Africa and I'm sure you'll change your tune.

Nothing but panic for dollars. Unfortunately, those dollars are stolen from me and given to frauds with letters after their names vaguely resembling the letters they use to describe diseases.

How exactly were they stolen from you? Taxes? Are taxes only stealing when they're spent on something you disagree with?

Admit it or not, you've benefited greatly from our country's investments in biomedical research conducted by those you impugn as "frauds."

Feel free to stop reaping those benefits. It's been nice knowing you.

And the first swine flu panic under Ford was not a fraud, jpw? Wait....wait....wait....Guess you agree.
But this one must be real? And the heterosexual AIDS pandemic we peasants were promised?
Your integrity? We "ignorant" people await enlightenment, oh master!

And the first swine flu panic under Ford was not a fraud, jpw? Wait....wait....wait....Guess you agree.

I wouldn't call it a fraud. They called the shot, it was the wrong call and they got burned. Better than sitting on their thumbs.

But this one must be real? And the heterosexual AIDS pandemic we peasants were promised?

What does "real" mean? You see things too black and white I guess to understand that this is a dynamic situation that is not completely developed.

And again, HIV is a pandemic and is rampant in heterosexuals. Because you have a lay understanding of what "pandemic" means doesn't mean the scientists were/are wrong.

Your integrity? We "ignorant" people await enlightenment, oh master!

No, not you ignorant "people," just you. You're the only one showing your ignorance on this board tonight.

Don't come to me for enlightenment, pick up a book and learn it just like everyone else does. It's the only way you'll be taken seriously.

BTW-what exactly was your role in grant submission and was it hard science grants from something like the NSF or NIH?

I asked jpw: And the first swine flu panic under Ford was not a fraud, jpw? Wait....wait....wait....Guess you agree.

jpw answers:
"I wouldn't call it a fraud. They called the shot, it was the wrong call and they got burned."

jpw finally tells the truth:
"Don't come to me for enlightenment,"

jpw finally reveals his strict scientific standard of reasoning:
"What does "real" mean?"

Do you actually have something useful to say? Or will you just continue to nip and my heels?

jpw finally reveals his strict scientific standard of reasoning:
"What does "real" mean?"

Well, what exactly do you mean by it?

I mean you should PROVE a REAL flu epidemic before stealing money from your neighbors to "cure" it.
I mean....none of my heterosexual friends and neighbors have yet to die of the promised heterosexual AIDS pandemic, jpw. What part of the above can't you understand?
The health bureaucracy lies to get money, It creates panic (e-bola was my favorite) to get millions. It is PH.D welfare.

I mean you should PROVE a REAL flu epidemic before stealing money from your neighbors to "cure" it.

Diablo, what would it take for you to think there is a "real" flu epidemic? What exactly has NOT been done that needs to be done before it can be "real?"

And vaccines don't cure diseases, they prevent them, which is exactly why some feel it necessary to get one out NOW for this new virus before it grows beyond the point of no return.

I mean....none of my heterosexual friends and neighbors have yet to die of the promised heterosexual AIDS pandemic, jpw. What part of the above can't you understand?

You do realize that if you look up the definition of the word "pandemic," you will not see "when a disease becomes so widespread it is killing Diablo's friends and neighbors." Just because you don't know anyone who's contracted or died from HIV doesn't mean it isn't happening.

The health bureaucracy lies to get money, It creates panic (e-bola was my favorite) to get millions. It is PH.D welfare.

You've yet to point out a single lie. So do so or else take the mantle of "liar" on to yourself. And no, a false prediction is not a lie.

You still haven't said what role you played in grant writing or submission.

Hee-hee! The last swine flu fraud was not a fraud, right? But I have not pointed out a "single lie?" You rage about the heterosexual "AIDS pandemic," but only assert it is true without posting real casualty figures. Real ones, not "global warming" mentality predictions, jpw. Post the casualty figures. Start with the USA casualties. C'mon! The predictions were in the 1980's (made by the "enlightened" scientists in our beloved leader health bureaucracy who happen to have reaped billions of tax dollars by saying so) we would all be dead.

"Diablo, what would it take for you to think there is a "real" flu epidemic?"

How about an actual epidemic rather than a rash of money spending on drug companies and Ph.D welfare for an unproved threat?

And the details of my resume are none of your business, especially since you dodged my question about yours first.

How about an actual epidemic rather than a rash of money spending on drug companies and Ph.D welfare for an unproved threat?

Speaking of not posting any real information to back your assertions.

I would assert that you don't understand what your talking about yet again given the above statement. Let me help you try to understand some.

You rage about the heterosexual "AIDS pandemic," but only assert it is true without posting real casualty figures. Real ones, not "global warming" mentality predictions, jpw. Post the casualty figures. Start with the USA casualties. C'mon!

No, what enrages me is people who clearly have little to no actual knowledge of virology, immunology or even biology in general bashing the integrity of a group of people who spend their entire careers toiling away anonymously, trying to improve the lives of ungrateful ignorant people such as yourself. That's not to say they're above criticism, but claiming they do it for the money is lunacy and insulting.

"Which drug company do you work for, or is it NIH or CDC?"

HA I wish, then maybe I'd make a real living. Besides, I don't even work with influenza viruses.
#54 | Posted by jpw at 2009-08-01 02:12 AM

I don't believe you are being honest. Rage away:

Died 2005

#79: Leonid Strachunsky. Died: June 8, 2005 after being hit on the head with a champagne bottle. Strachunsky specialized in creating microbes resistant to biological weapons. Strachunsky was found dead in his hotel room in Moscow, where hed come from Smolensk en route to the United States. Investigators are looking for a connection between the murder of this leading bio weapons researcher and the hepatitis outbreak in Tver, Russia.

#78: Robert J. Lull, age 66. Died: May 19, 2005 of multiple stab wounds. Despite his missing car and apparent credit card theft, homicide Inspector Holly Pera said investigators aren't convinced that robbery was the sole motive for Lull's killing. She said a robber would typically have taken more valuables from Lull's home than what the killer left with. Lull had been chief of nuclear medicine at San Francisco General Hospital since 1990 and served as a radiology professor at UCSF. He was past president of the American College of Nuclear Physicians and the San Francisco Medical Society and served as editor of the medical society's journal, San Francisco Medicine, from 1997 to 1999. Lee Lull said her former husband was a proponent of nuclear power and loved to debate his political positions with others.

#77: Todd Kauppila, age 41. Died: May 8, 2005 of hemorrhagic pancreatitis at the Los Alamos hospital, according to the state medical examiner's office. Picture of him was not available to due secret nature of his work. This is his funeral picture. His death came two days after Kauppila publicly rejoiced over news that the lab's director was leaving. Kauppila was fired by director Pete Nanos on Sept. 23, 2004 following a security scandal. Kauppila said he was fired because he did not immediately return from a family vacation during a lab investigation into two classified computer disks that were thought to be missing. The apparent security breach forced Nanos to shut down the lab for several weeks. Kauppila claimed he was made a scapegoat over the disks, which investigators concluded never existed. The mistake was blamed on a clerical error. After he was fired, Kauppila accepted a job as a contractor at Bechtel Nevada Corp., a research company that works with Los Alamos and other national laboratories. He was also working on a new Scatter Reduction Grids in Megavolt Radiography focused on metal plates or crossed grids to act to stop the scattered radiation while allowing the unscattered or direct rays to pass through with other scientists: Scott Watson (LANL, DX-3), Chuck Lebeda (LANL, XTA), Alan Tubb (LANL, DX-8), and Mike Appleby (Tecomet Thermo Electron Corp.)

#76: David Banks, age 55. Died: May 8, 2005. Banks, based in North Queensland, died in an airplane crash, along with 14 others. He was known as an Agro Genius inventing the mosquito trap used for cattle. Banks was the principal scientist with quarantine authority, Biosecurity Australia, and heavily involved in protecting Australians from unwanted diseases and pests. Most of Dr Banks' work involved preventing potentially devastating diseases making their way into Australia. He had been through Indonesia looking at the potential for foot and mouth disease to spread through the archipelago and into Australia. Other diseases he had fought to keep out of Australian livestock herds and fruit orchards include classical swine fever, Nipah virus and Japanese encephalitis.

#75: Dr. Douglas James Passaro, age 43. Died April 18, 2005 from unknown cause in Oak Park, Illinois. Dr. Passaro was a brilliant epidemiologist who wanted to unlock the secrets of a spiral-shaped bacteria that causes stomach disease. He was a professor who challenged his students with real-life exercises in bioterrorism. He was married to Dr. Sherry Nordstrom..

#74: Geetha Angara, age 43. Died: February 8, 2005. This formerly missing chemist was found in a Totowa, New Jersey water treatment plant's tank. Angara, 43, of Holmdel, was last seen on the night of Feb. 8 doing water quality tests at the Passaic Valley Water Commission plant in Totowa, where she worked for 12 years. Divers found her body in a 35-foot-deep sump opening at the bottom of one of the emptied tanks. Investigators are treating Angara's death as a possible homicide. Angara, a senior chemist with a doctorate from New York University, was married and mother of three.

#73: Jeong H. Im, age 72. Died: January 7, 2005. Korean Jeong H. Im, died of multiple stab wounds to the chest before firefighters found in his body in the trunk of a burning car on the third level of the Maryland Avenue Garage. A retired research assistant professor at the University of Missouri - Columbia and primarily a protein chemist, MUPD with the assistance of the Columbia Police Department and Columbia Fire Department are conducting a death investigation of the incident. A "person of interest" described as a male 6'6'2" wearing some type of mask possible a painters mask or drywall type mask was seen in the area of the Maryland Avenue Garage. Dr. Im was primarily a protein chemist and he was a researcher in the field.

Died in 2004

#72: Darwin Kenneth Vest, born April 22, 1951, was an internationally renowned entomologist, expert on hobo spiders and other poisonous spiders and snakes. Darwin disappeared in the early morning hours of June 3, 1999 while walking in downtown Idaho Falls, Idaho (USA). The family believes foul play was involved in his disappearance. A celebration of Darwin's life was held in Idaho Falls and Moscow on the one-year anniversary of his disappearance. The services included displays of Darwin's work and thank you letters from school children and teachers. Memories of Darwin were shared by at least a dozen speakers from around the world and concluded with the placing of roses and a memorial wreath in the Snake River. A candlelight vigil was also held that evening on the banks of the Snake River.

Darwin was declared legally dead the first week of March 2004 and now the family is in the process of obtaining restraining orders against several companies who saw fit to use his name and photos without permission. His brother David is legal conservator of the estate and his sister Rebecca is handling issues related to Eagle Rock Research and ongoing research projects.

Media help in locating Darwin is welcome. Continuing efforts to solve this mystery include recent DNA sampling. Stories about his disappearance continue to appear throughout the world. Issues surrounding missing adult investigations have received new attention following the tragedies of 911.

#s70-71: Tom Thorne, age 64; Beth Williams, age 53; Died: December 29, 2004. Two wild life scientists, Husband-and-wife wildlife veterinarians who were nationally prominent experts on chronic wasting disease and brucellosis were killed in a snowy-weather crash on U.S. 287 in northern Colorado.

#69: Taleb Ibrahim al-Daher. Died: December 21, 2004. Iraqi nuclear scientist was shot dead north of Baghdad by unknown gunmen. He was on his way to work at Diyala University when armed men opened fire on his car as it was crossing a bridge in Baqouba, 57 km northeast of Baghdad. The vehicle swerved off the bridge and fell into the Khrisan river. Al-Daher, who was a professor at the local university, was removed from the submerged car and rushed to Baqouba hospital where he was pronounced dead.

#68: John R. La Montagne, age 61. Died: November 2, 2004. Died while in Mexico, no cause stated, later disclosed as pulmonary embolism. PhD, Head of US Infectious Diseases unit under Tommie Thompson. Was NIAID Deputy Director. Expert in AIDS Program work and Microbiology and Infectious Diseases.

#67: Matthew Allison, age 32. Died: October 13, 2004. Fatal explosion of a car parked at an Osceola County, Fla., Wal-Mart store. It was no accident, Local 6 News has learned. Found inside a burned car. Witnesses said the man left the store at about 11 p.m. and entered his Ford Taurus car when it exploded. Investigators said they found a Duraflame log and propane canisters on the front passenger's seat. Allison had a college degree in molecular biology and biotechnology.

#66: Mohammed Toki Hussein al-Talakani, age 40. Died: September 5, 2004: Iraqi nuclear scientist was shot dead in Mahmudiya, south of Baghdad. He was a practicing nuclear physicist since 1984.

#65: Professor John Clark, Age 52, Died: August 12, 2004. Found hanged in his holiday home. An expert in animal science and biotechnology where he developed techniques for the genetic modification of livestock; this work paved the way for the birth, in 1996, of Dolly the sheep, the first animal to have been cloned from an adult. Head of the science lab which created Dolly the sheep. Prof Clark led the Roslin Institute in Midlothian, one of the world s leading animal biotechnology research centers. He played a crucial role in creating the transgenic sheep that earned the institute worldwide fame. He was put in charge of a project to produce human proteins (which could be used in the treatment of human diseases) in sheep's milk. Clark and his team focused their study on the production of the alpha-I-antitryps in protein, which is used for treatment of cystic fibrosis. Prof Clark also founded three spin-out firms from Roslin - PPL Therapeutics, Rosgen and Roslin BioMed.

#64: Dr. John Badwey, age 54. Died: July 21, 2004. Scientist and accidental politician when he opposed disposal of sewage waste program of exposing humans to sludge. Suddenly developed pneumonia like symptoms then died in two weeks. Biochemist at Harvard Medical School specializing in infectious diseases.

#63: Dr. Bassem al-Mudares. Died: July 21, 2004. Mutilated body was found in the city of Samarra, Iraq*. He was a Phd. chemist and had been tortured before being killed. He was a drug company worker who had a chemistry doctorate.

#62: Professor Stephen Tabet, age 42. Died on July 6, 2004 from an unknown illness. He was an associate professor and epidemiologist at the University of Washington. A world-renowned HIV doctor and researcher who worked with HIV patients in a vaccine clinical trial for the HIV Vaccine Trials Network

#61: Dr. Larry Bustard, age 53. Died July 2, 2004 from unknown causes. He was a Sandia scientist in the Department of Energy who helped develop a foam spray to clean up congressional buildings and media sites during the anthrax scare in 2001. He worked at Sandia National Laboratories in Albuquerque. As an expert in bioterrorism, his team came up with a new technology used against biological and chemical agents.

#60: Edward Hoffman, age 62. Died July 1, 2004 from unknown causes. Hoffman was a professor and a scientist who also held leadership positions within the UCLA medical community. He worked to develop the first human PET scanner in 1973 at Washington University in St. Louis.

#59: John Mullen, age 67. Died: June 29, 2004. A Nuclear physicist poisoned with a huge dose of arsenic. A nuclear research scientist with McDonnell Douglas. Police investigating will not say how Mullen was exposed to the arsenic or where it came from. At the time of his death he was doing contract work for Boeing.

#58: Dr. Paul Norman, age 52. Died: June 27, 2004. From Salisbury Wiltshire. Killed when the single-engine Cessna 206 he was piloting crashed in Devon. Expert in chemical and biological weapons. He traveled the world lecturing on defending against the scourge of weapons of mass destruction. He was married with a 14-year-old son and a 20-year-old daughter, and was the chief scientist for chemical and biological defense at the Ministry of Defense's laboratory at Porton Down, Wiltshire. The crash site was examined by officials from the Air Accidents Investigation Branch and the wreckage of the aircraft was removed from the site to the AAIB base at Farnborough.

#57: Dr. Assefa Tulu, age 45. Died: June 24, 2004. Dr. Tulu joined the health department in 1997 and served for five years as the county's lone epidemiologist. He was charged with trackcing the health of the county, including the spread of diseases, such as syphilis, AIDS and measles. He also designed a system for detecting a bioterrorism attack involving viruses or bacterial agents. Tulu often coordinated efforts to address major health concerns in Dallas County, such as the West Nile virus outbreaks of the past few years, and worked with the media to inform the public. Found face down, dead in his office. The Dallas County Epidemiologist died of a hemorrhagic stroke.

#56: Thomas Gold, age 84. Died: June 22, 2004. Austrian born Thomas Gold famous over the years for a variety of bold theories that flout conventional wisdom and reported in his 1998 book, "The Deep Hot Biosphere," the idea challenges the accepted wisdom of how oil and natural gas are formed and, along the way, proposes a new theory of the beginnings of life on Earth and potentially on other planets. Long term battle with heart failure. Gold's theory of the deep hot biosphere holds important ramifications for the possibility of life on other planets, including seemingly inhospitable planets within our own solar system. He was Professor Emeritus of Astronomy at Cornell University and was the founder (and for 20 years director) of Cornell Center for Radiophysics and Space Research. He was also involved in air accident investigations.

#55: Antonina Presnyakova, age 46. Died: May 25, 2004. A Russian scientist at a former Soviet biological weapons laboratory in Siberia died after an accident with a needle laced with ebola. Scientists and officials said the accident had raised concerns about safety and secrecy at the State Research Center of Virology and Biotechnology, known as Vector, which in Soviet times specialized in turning deadly viruses into biological weapons. Vector has been a leading recipient of aid in an American program.

#54: Dr. Eugene Mallove, age 56. Died: May 14, 2004. Autopsy confirmed Mallove died as a result of several blunt-force injuries to his head and neck. Ruled as murder. Found at the end of his driveway. Alt. Energy Expert who was working on viable energy alternative program and announcement. Norwich Free Academy graduate.Beaten to death during an alleged robbery. Mallove was well respected for his knowledge of cold fusion. He had just published an "open letter" outlining the results of and reasons for his last 15 years in the field of "new energy research." Dr. Mallove was convinced it was only a matter of months before the world would actually see a free energy device.

#53: William T. McGuire, age 39. Found May 5, 2004, last seen late April 2004. Body found in three suitcases floating in Chesapeake Bay. He was NJ University Professor and Senior programmer analyst and adjunct professor at the New Jersey Institute of Technology in Newark. He emerged as one of the world's leading microbiologists and an expert in developing and overseeing multiple levels of biocontainment facilities.

#52: Ilsley Ingram, age 84. Died on April 12, 2004 from unknown causes. Ingram was Director of the Supraregional Haemophilia Reference Centre and the Supraregional Centre for the Diagnosis of Bleeding Disorders at the St. Thomas Hospital in London. Although his age is most likely the reason for his death, why wasn't this confirmed by the family in the news media?

#51: Mohammed Munim al-Izmerly, Died: April 2004. This distinguished Iraqi chemistry professor died in American custody from a sudden hit to the back of his head caused by blunt trauma. It was uncertain exactly how he died, but someone had hit him from behind, possibly with a bar or a pistol. His battered corpse turned up at Baghdad's morgue and the cause of death was initially recorded as "brainstem compression". It was discovered that US doctors had made a 20cm incision in his skull.

#50: Vadake Srinivasan, Died: March 13, 2004. Microbiologist crashed car into guard rail in Baton Rouge, LA. Death was ruled a stroke. He was originally from India, was one of the most-accomplished and respected industrial biologists in academia, and held two doctorate degrees.

#49: Dr. Michael Patrick Kiley, age 62. Died: January 24, 2004. Died of massive heart attack. Ebola, Mad Cow Expert, top of the line world class. It is interesting to note, he had a good heart, but it "gave out". Dr. Shope and Dr. Kiley were working on the lab upgrade to BSL 4 at the UTMB Galvaston lab for Homeland Security. The lab would have to be secure to house some of the deadliest pathogens of tropical and emerging infectious disease as well as bioweaponized ones.

#48: LEAD Technologies Inc. V1.01 Robert Shope, age 74. Died: January 23, 2004. Virus Expert Who Warned of Epidemics, Dies died of lung transplant complications. Later purported to have died of Idiopathic Pulmonary Fibrosis which can be caused by either environmental stimulus or a VIRUS. It would not be hard to administer a drug that would cause Dr. Shope's lung transplant to either be rejected or to cause complications from the transplant. Dr. Shope led the group of scientists who had an 11 MILLION dollar fed grant to ensure the new lab would keep in the nasty bugs. Dr. Shope also met with and worked with Dr. Mike Kiley on the UTMB Galveston lab upgrade to BSL 4. When the upgrade would be complete the lab will host the most hazardous pathogens known to man especially tropical and emerging diseases as well as bioweapons.

#47: Dr Richard Stevens, age 54. Died: January 6, 2004. He had disappeared after arriving for work on 21 July, 2003. A doctor whose disappearance sparked a national manhunt, killed himself because he could not cope with the stress of a secret affair, a coroner has ruled. He was a hematologist. (hematologists analyze the cellular composition of blood and blood producing tissues e.g. bone marrow).

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Died 2003

#46: Robert Aranosia, age 61. Died: December 18, 2003. While driving south on I-75 his pickup truck went off the freeway near a bridge over the Kawkawlin River. The vehicle rolled over several times before landing in the median. Aranosia was thrown from the vehicle and ended up on the shoulder of the northbound lanes. He was the Oakland County deputy medical examiner.

#45: Robert Leslie Burghoff, age 45. Died: November 20, 2003. Scientist. Killed by a hit and run driver that jumped the curb and ploughed into him in the 1600 block of South Braeswood, Texas. The driver was described as a short Hispanic man in his 50s with a slightly rounded face. He was studying the virus plaguing cruise ships.

#44: Michael Perich, age 46. Died: October 11, 2003. Died in one-vehicle car accident. The LSU West Nile research scientist was wearing his seat belt and drowned. He was LSU professor who helped fight the spread of the West Nile virus. Perich, who was known as one of the country's experts on vector-borne diseases, had most recently led a crusade to keep down the effects of West Nile virus and to get many of the Louisiana's parishes to work toward forming mosquito control districts.

#43: David Kelly, age 59. Died: July 18, 2003. British biological weapons expert, was said to have slashed his own wrists while walking near his home. Kelly was the Ministry of Defense's chief scientific officer and senior adviser to the proliferation and arms control secretariat, and to the Foreign Office's non-proliferation department. The senior adviser on biological weapons to the UN biological weapons inspections teams (Unscom) from 1994 to 1999, he was also, in the opinion of his peers, pre-eminent in his field, not only in this country, but in the world.

#42: Dr. Leland Rickman, age 47. Died: June 24, 2003. Rickman died while on a teaching assignment in Lesotho, a small country bordered on all sides by South Africa. UC San Diego expert on infectious diseases and, since September 11, 2001 a consultant on bioterrorism. He had complained of a headache, but the cause of death was not immediately known. The physician had been working in Lesotho with Dr. Chris Mathews, director of the UC San Diego Medical Center's Owen Clinic, teaching African medical personnel about the prevention and treatment of AIDS. Rickman, the incoming president of the Infectious Disease Assn. of California, was a multidisciplinary professor and practitioner with expertise in infectious diseases, internal medicine, epidemiology, microbiology and antibiotic utilization.

#41: 'Dr. Roger' Died: Summer 2003. 'Roger' was pseudonym for this genetics scientist. He was 17 and lived in Roswell, New Mexico in 1947 when the unexplained object crashed. He told a woman he worked with in 1977 named 'Kate' while employed by the Navy, who he helped to clean up the crash site of the 1947 UFO. He subsequently went to work for the government at this young age and ended up a geneticist working in China Lake for the Navy. Although he lived in fear and hiding soon after he told his story to Kate, he retired in late 1990s or early 2000's and she saw him again once in early 2002 in San Diego. He told her she was in danger to talk to him and he left the store. In 2003 she received a phone call from his 'friend' who said he had been executed in his retirement home in Connecticut. The body had been removed by a black government looking vehicle. The home had been cleaned up and the body removed without any public notices of his death or existence. Many disfigured and abnormal animals were found in the desert near Groom Lake during his time there and after. Kate thought he might have been doing this gruesome experimental work.

#40: Carlo Urbani, age 46. Died: in April 2003 in Bangkok from SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) - the new disease that he had helped to identify. Thanks to his prompt action, the epidemic was contained in Vietnam. However, because of close daily contact with SARS patients, he contracted the infection. On March 11, he was admitted to a hospital in Bangkok and isolated. Less than three weeks later he died. He was a dedicated and internationally respected Italian epidemiologist, who did work of enduring value combating infectious illness around the world.

Died 2002

#39: Roman Kuzmin. Died December 2002. A 24-year-old Russian surgeon studying in Connecticut was fatally struck by a car as he fled a store with three stolen rolls of film, police said. He was studying to be an orthopedic surgeon. Doctors who worked with Roman Kuzmin at Waterbury Hospital said they were stunned to hear of his death Sunday evening and many couldn't believe the circumstances. Kuzmin left Vladivostok in September to study orthopedic surgical techniques at Waterbury Hospital under a Keggi Othopedic Foundation program. Dr. Kristaps Keggi, who organized the program, said Kuzmin was "very able, very bright - a superb student and a superb individual."

#38B: Dr. David R. Knibbs, age 49. Died: August 5, 2002. Respected pathobiologist specializing in electron microscopy.

#38: Steven Mostow, age 63. Died: March 25, 2002. One of the country's leading infectious disease and bioterrorism experts and was associate dean at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center. He died in a plane crash near Centennial Airport. He was known as "Dr. Flu" for his expertise in treating influenza, and expertise on bioterrorism. Mostow was one of the country's leading infectious disease experts.

#37: Dr. David Wynn-Williams, age 55. Died: March 24, 2002. Hit by a car while jogging near his home in Cambridge, England. He was an astrobiologist with the Antarctic Astrobiology Project and the NASA Ames Research Center. He was studying the capability of microbes to adapt to environmental extremes, including the bombardment of ultraviolet rays and global warming.

s#35-36: Tanya Holzmayer, age 46, Died: February 28, 2002: Two dead microbiologists in San Francisco. While taking delivery of a pizza, Tanya Holzmayer was shot and killed by a colleague, Guyang "Mathew" Huang, 38, who then apparently shot himself. Holzmayer moved to the US from Russia in 1989. Her research focused on the part of the human molecular structure that could be affected best by medicine. Holzmayer was focusing on helping create new drugs that interfere with replication of the virus that causes AIDS. One year earlier, Holzmayer obeyed senior management orders to fire Huang. Huang appeared from behind the deliveryman. He shot Holzmayer several times at close range in the chest and head. As Holzmayer fell in her doorway, Huang ran to a Ford Explorer and drove away. Less than an hour after the shooting, Huang called his wife, according to Foster City Police Capt. Craig Courtin. He told her about the shooting and that he was going to kill himself, then he hung up. Huang's wife called the emergency services and Foster City police used search dogs to comb the area. They ran into a jogger who had seen Huang's body lying off the walkway that locals call "The Levee." He had fired a single bullet into his head.

#34: Dr. Ian Langford, age 40, Died: February 12, 2002. Found dead at his blood-spattered and apparently ransacked home A Russian who was a Senior Research Associate in CSERGE, UK. He was a leading university research scientist working on Global Environment, specializing in links between human health and the environment risk, was. Specialist in leukemia and infections.

#33: Dr. Vladamir "Victor" Korshunov, age 56. Died: February 9, 2002. Found dead on a Moscow street. Head was bashed in. Korshunov was head of the microbiology sub-facility at the Russian State Medical University. He was found dead in the entrance to his home with a head injury. On Feb. 9 the Russian newspaper Pravda reported that Korshunov had probably invented a vaccine protecting from any biological arm.

#32: David W. Barry, age 58, Died: January 28, 2002. Scientist who co-discovered AZT, the antiviral drug that is considered the first effective treatment for AIDS. Circumstance of Death are unknown.

#31: Dr. Ivan Glebov. Died: January 2002. Russian Microbiologist. Glebov died as the result of a bandit attack. Well known around the world and members of the Russian Academy of Science.

#30: Dr. Alexi Brushlinski. Died: January 2002. Russian Microbiologist. Murdered in Moscow from bandit attack. Well known around the world and members of the Russian Academy of Science.

Died 2001

#29 Dr. Benito Que, age 52. Found: November 12, 2001. Died: December 6, 2001. Found Comatose from what was called a mugging. Died later in hospital. Found in the street near the laboratory where he worked at the University of Miami Medical School. Among Dr. Que's friends and family there is firm belief that Dr. Que was attacked by four men, at least one of whom had a baseball bat. Dr. Que's death has now been officially ruled "natural", caused by cardiac arrest. He was a cell biologist, involved in research on aids, oncology research in the hematology department.

#28: Dr. Vladimer Pasechnik, age 64. Died: December 23, 2001. Found dead in Wiltshire, England, a village near his home. Two different dates have been reported: November 21 and December 23. Death ruled stroke. He had defected from Russia to UK. He had been the #1 scientist in the FSU's bioweapons program. It was thought he was involved with exhuming the bodies of the 10 London victims of the 1919 Type A flu epidemic. Pasechnik died six weeks after the planned exhumations were announced. On November 23, 2001, Pasechnik's death was reported in the New York Times as having occurred two days earlier. Pasechnik's death was made in the United States by Dr. Christopher Davis of Virginia, who stated that the cause of death was a stroke. Dr. Davis was the member of British intelligence who de-briefed Dr. Pasechnik at the time of his defection. Pasechnik was heavily involved in DNA sequencing research. He had just founded a company like three other microbiologists working to provide powerful alternatives to antibiotics. Dr. Vladimir Pasechnik was the boss of William C. Patrick III who holds 5 patents on the militarized anthrax used by the United States. Patrick is now a private biowarfare consultant to the military and CIA. Patrick developed the process by which anthrax spores could be concentrated at the level of one trillion spores per gram. No other country has been able to get concentrations above 500 billion per gram. The anthrax that was sent around the eastern United States last fall was concentrated at one trillion spores per gram.

#27: Dr. Don Wiley, age 57. Vanished: December 16, 2001. Molecular Biologist with Howard Hughes Medical Institute, Harvard University, top Deadly Contagious Virus expert, abandoned rental car was found on the Hernando de Soto Bridge outside Memphis, TN. He was heavily involved in research on DNA sequencing, and was last seen at around midnight on November 16, leaving the St. Jude's Children's Research Advisory Dinner at The Peabody Hotel in Memphis, TN. Associates attending the dinner said he showed no signs of intoxication, and no one has admitted to drinking with him. Body found floating one month later. Workers at a hydroelectric plant in Louisiana found the body of Don Wiley on Thursday, about 300 miles south of where the molecular biologist was last seen on Nov. 18 at a medical meeting in Memphis. On January 14, 2002 (almost two months later) Shelby County Medical Examiner O.C. Smith announced that his department had ruled Dr. Wiley's death to be "accidental"; the result of massive injuries suffered in a fall from the Hernando de Soto Bridge. Smith said there were paint marks on Wiley's rental car similar to the paint used on construction signs on the bridge, and that the car's right front hubcap was missing. There has been no report as to which construction signs Dr. Wiley hit.

#26: Dr. Set Van Nguyen, age 44. Died: December 14, 2001. Found dead in the airlock entrance to the walk-in refrigerator in the laboratory he worked at in Victoria State, Australia. The room was full of deadly gas which had leaked from a liquid nitrogen cooling system. Room was vented. Working on a vaccine to protect against biological weapons, or a weapon itself. In January, 2001, the magazine Nature published information that two scientists, Dr. Ron Jackson and Dr. Ian Ramshaw, using genetic manipulation and DNA sequencing, had created an incredibly virulent form of mousepox, a cousin of smallpox and Dr. Nguyen had worked for 15 years at the same Australian facility. Now for the intriguing part of this story. On Friday, November 2nd, the Washington Post reported: "Officials are now scrambling to determine how a quiet, 61-year-old Vietnamese immigrant, riding the subway each day to and from her job in a hospital stockroom, was exposed to the deadly anthrax spores that killed her this week. They worry because there is no obvious connection to the factors common to earlier anthrax exposures and deaths: no clear link to the mail or to the media.

#25: Dr. David Schwartz , age 57. Died: December 10, 2001. Murdered by stabbing with what appeared to be a sword in rural home Loudon County, Virginia. His daughter, who identifies herself as a pagan high priestess, and three of her fellow pagans have been charged. He was extremely well respected in biophysics, and regarded as an authority on DNA sequencing. Three teens that were into the occult were charged with murder in the slashing death.

#s22-24: Avishai Berkman, age 50. (no photo)

Amiramp Eldor, age 59 Yaacov Matzner, age 54

All Died: November 24, 2001. Another airplane crash kills 3 scientists. At about the time of the Black Sea crash, Israeli journalists had been sounding the alarm that two Israeli microbiologists had been murdered, allegedly by terrorists; including the head of the Hematology department at Israel's Ichilov Hospital, as well as directors of the Tel Aviv Public Health Department and Hebrew University School of Medicine. World experts in hematology and blood clotting. Five microbiologists in this list of the first eight people that died mysteriously in airplane crashes worked on cutting edge microbiology research; and, four of the five were doing virtually identical research; research that has global political and financial significance.

#21: Jeffrey Paris Wall, age 41. Died: November 6, 2001. Body was found sprawled next to a three-story parking structure near his office. Mr. Wall had studied at the University of California, Los Angeles. He was a biomedical expert who held a medical degree, and he also specialized in patent and intellectual property.

#16-#20: Five Unnamed Microbiologists. Died: October 4, 2001. Four of Five unnamed microbiologists on a plane that was brought down by a missile near the Black sea on the Russian border. Traveling from Israel to Russia; business not disclosed. 3 scientists were experts in medical research or public health. The plane is believed by many in Israel to have had as many as four or five passengers who were microbiologists. Both Israel and Novosibirsk are homes for cutting-edge microbiological research. Novosibirsk is known as the scientific capital of Siberia. There are over 50 research facilities there, and 13 full universities for a population of only 2.5 million people.

#15: Professor Janusz Jeljaszewicz, Died: on May 7, 2001, cause not disclosed. He was an expert in Staphylococci and Staphylococcal Infections. His main scientific interests and achievements were in the mechanism of action and biological properties of staphylococcal toxins, and included the immunomodulatory properties and experimental treatment of tumors by Propionibacterium.

Died 2000

#14: Linda Reese, age 52. Died: December 25, 2000 three days after she studied a sample from Tricia Zailo, 19, a Fairfield, N.J., resident who was a sophomore at Michigan State University. Tricia Zailo died Dec. 18, a few days after she returned home for the holidays. Dr. Reese was a Microbiologist working with victims of meningitis.

#13: Mike Thomas, age 35. Died: July 16, 2000 a few days after examining a sample taken from a 12-year-old girl who was diagnosed with meningitis and survived. He was a microbiologist at the Crestwood Medical Center in Huntsville.

#12: Walter W. Shervington, M.D., age 62. Died: April 15, 2000 of cancer at Tulane Medical Hospital. He was an extensive writer/ lecturer/ researcher about mental health and AIDS in the African American community.

Died 1998

#11: Jonathan Mann, age 51. Died September 1998, in Swissair Flight 111 over Canada. He was founding director of the World Health Organization's global Aids program and founded Project SIDA in Zaire, the most comprehensive Aids research effort in Africa at the time, and in 1986 he joined the WHO to lead the global response against Aids. He became director of WHO's global program on Aids which later became the UNAids program. He then became director of the Francois-Xavier Bagnoud Center for Health and Human Rights, which was set up at Harvard School of Public Health in 1993. He caused controversy earlier in 1998 in the media when he accused the US National Institutes of Health of violating human rights by failing to act quickly on developing Aids vaccines.

#10: Elizabeth A. Rich, M.D., age 46. Died July 10, 1998, in a traffic accident while visiting family in Tennessee. She was an associate professor with tenure in the pulmonary division of the Department of Medicine at CWRU and University Hospitals of Cleveland. She was also a member of the executive committee for the Center for AIDS Research and directed the Bio-safety level 3 facility, a specialized laboratory for the handling of HIV, virulent TB bacteria, and other infectious agents. .

Died 1994 - 1996

#9: Sidney Harshman, age 67. Died: Dec. 25, 1997, from complications of diabetes. He was a professor of microbiology and immunology. He was the world's leading expert on staphylococcal alpha toxins.

#s6-8: Mark Purdey, his Lawyer, and Veterinarian working with Purdey Die: CJD doctor Mark Purdey was familiar with the expression "abnormal brain protein." Purdey's house was burned down, his lawyer on mad cow issues was driven off the road and died and the veterinarian in the UK BSE inquiry also died in a mysterious car crash. CJD specialist Dr C. Bruton was killed in a car crash just before he went public with a new research paper. The veterinarian on the case also died in a car crash. Purdey's new lawyer, too, had a car accident, but not fatal. Before Dr. Purdey's death, he speculated that Dr. C. Bruton (#2 below) might have known more than what was revealed in his paper before he was killed.

Actually, your link supports what I said in the quote you provided.

You would have never known who these people were unless they were profiled on some website despite the fact that they worked their entire lives to advance our knowledge of biology and therefore, advancing our knowledge of how to improve our health.

#4-5 Dr. Tsunao Saitoh, age 46. Died: May 7, 1996. Shot and killed, along with his young daughter, in LaJolla, California. He was dead behind the wheel of the car, the side window had been shot out, and the door was open. His daughter appeared to have tried to run away and she was shot dead, also. The hit was compared to other killings of Japanese in this country by muggers. Expert in abnormal proteins in Alzheimer.

#3 Dr. Jawad Al Aubaidi. Died in 1994. A graduate doctor from Cornel, he was hired to head the mycoplasma biowar research project. One of Dr. Aubaidi's projects was filling payloads of scud missles with mycoplasma strains. In 1995, Dr. Aubaidi was murdered by the Israelis Mussad. His demise, or, neutralization was made to look like an accident. He was killed in his native Iraq while he was changing a flat tire and was hit by a truck.

#2 Dr. C. Bruton, a CJD specialist -- who had just produced a paper on the a new strain of CJD -- was killed in a car crash before his work was announced to the public. Purdey speculates that Bruton might have known more than what was revealed in his paper.

#1 Jose Trias, Died: May 19, 1994. Trias and his wife were murdered in their Chevy Chase, Maryland home. They met with a friend of theirs, a journalist, before the day of their murder and told him of their plan to expose HHMI (Howard Hughes Medical Institute) funding of "special ops" research. Grant money that goes to HHMI is actually diverted to special black ops research projects.

Grant money that goes to HHMI is actually diverted to special black ops research projects.

LOL holy shit LOL

Of course, all these people died and it was made to look like an accident because the government wanted them neutralized. LOL I'm glad you possess overwhelming proof and not just innuendo to back your claims.

#81 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2009-08-01 02:08 PM | Reply

Stop spamming, idiot.

.. Of course, all these people died and it was made to look like an accident because the government wanted them neutralized. LOL I'm glad you possess overwhelming proof and not just innuendo to back your claims.
#82 | Posted by jpw at 2009-08-01 02:12 PM

You find their murders laughable?! Do you possess the ability to read or am I wasting "effort"? How many of those microbiologist, virologists and biochemists "died" of natural causes? DID YOU READ ANYTHING I POSTED?

#81 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2009-08-01 02:08 PM | Reply

Stop spamming, idiot.
#83 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-08-01 02:22 PM

I've been done posting over ten minutes prior to your noticing them.

"You find their murders laughable?"

Question assumes facts not in evidence.

"You find their murders laughable?"

Question assumes facts not in evidence.
#86 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-08-01 02:32 PM

I do apologize for posting the entire list, but it was updated with 2007-2009 data that I felt is relevant and got carried away.

Okay, so if we were to look up a few of these and confirm that they were murdered in every instance what does that mean? That scientists relevant to investigating my bio-weapons allegations are being eliminated purposefully, methodically and most brutally to avoid exposing the virus' true nature?

#67 I've tried to locate data on Matthew Allison's murder, but it's been wiped from local6.com, clickorlando.com and the Orlando county criminal tip site.

Actually, your link supports what I said in the quote you provided.
You would have never known who these people were unless they were profiled on some website despite the fact that they worked their entire lives to advance our knowledge of biology and therefore, advancing our knowledge of how to improve our health.
#80 | Posted by jpw at 2009-08-01 02:08 PM

You dismiss the data because "I" didn't compile it?

Here's one that's not in the list:

jpw - are you a Zionist and/or Jewish?

jpw - are you a Zionist and/or Jewish?

#92 | Posted by redlightrobot

What in the fuck does that have to do with anything?

jpw - are you a Zionist and/or Jewish?
#92 | Posted by redlightrobot

What in the fuck does that have to do with anything?
#95 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-08-01 04:56 PM

Can't you post anything relevant? You're merely full of derogatory remarks and "fuck" this and that.

Also, if you were to pay any attention you would know there are Zionist Israeli involved with much of these "terrorist attacks" and implicated in the anthrax mailings, ebola outbreaks and even Colony Collapse Syndrome.

"if you were to pay any attention you would know there are Zionist Israeli involved with much of these "terrorist attacks" "

All right. I got it. I've been arguing with a anti-semitic conspiracy nut. Life is too short. Bye.

"if you were to pay any attention you would know there are Zionist Israeli involved with much of these "terrorist attacks" "

All right. I got it. I've been arguing with a anti-semitic conspiracy nut. Life is too short. Bye.
#97 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-08-01 05:41 PM

Anti-Zionist is not anti-Semitic, don't be such a dildo. Read the data and logically refute it - if you possess the capacity.

Do you remember the "high-fivers"? They were Zionist Israeli who were exposed in The Forward (America's oldest Jewish publication). Are you going to call those Jews anti-Semitic too? Fucking dildo wrapped in a ham sandwich!

jpw - are you a Zionist and/or Jewish?

LOL no.

And I didn't dismiss your "data" (which is a mockery of the term in this instance...), I was asking you to spit out exactly what your point was by spamming the thread with an extended list of scientists who have died.

"jpw - are you a Zionist and/or Jewish?"

LOL no.
And I didn't dismiss your "data" (which is a mockery of the term in this instance...), I was asking you to spit out exactly what your point was by spamming the thread with an extended list of scientists who have died.
#99 | Posted by jpw at 2009-08-01 06:33 PM

Apparently that is above and beyond. Just look the other direction..

Swine Flu Vaccine Will Contain Mercury

...in what some fear could ultimately become a mandatory vaccination program...
Posted by JeffnDenmark

now it all makes sense...

NOW it all makes sense...

NOW IT ALL MAKES SENSE...

bwaaahahahahahaha...!

Several observed working assumptions of the conspiracist (swine flu edition):

1. Conspiracy mongers give the government/Illuminati/Reptoid Revolutionaries far too much credit...since when has the gov't been efficient at anything it's done, let alone orchestrate and execute a plot that will infect a vast majority of the populace, AND "vaccinate" them with a fraudulent serum? Seems to me that the conspiracists are inconsistent regarding consistency...
1(a). If it *were* the case that government were in on such a scam, you could all but count on receiving a letter in the mail informing you that a letter is in the mail to inform you of the nature of the scam...

2. I guess the conspiracy mongers also assume that hundreds of thousands to millions of students of science, their mentors, researchers, research assistants, etc - the entire worldwide scientific apparatus, basically - is corrupted beyond belief. Neo-nihilism, as I like to call it. As Zatoichi might point out, they're using transistors to protest against the institution which bore them (transistors, not conspiracy-tards). LOL. Nobody in the whole business has any dignity; after all, it's much better to just be bought out by Corporation USA as soon as one receives a passing grade from Bio or Chem 101. LOL. DAYUMNED ACADEMICS AND SCIENCE BOOGEYMEN!!!!1!!

3. In the so-called "information-age", anyone who's LrNd 2 iNtern3t gUd has a stranglehold on truth. (***requires: rudimentary HTML skills, official-sounding qualification (may or may not be faked), a point of view, and YouTube account (optional, but more likely to attract the fly-like minds of JnD, et al***). If a website out there says so, it must be fact - "evidence" becomes synonymous with "YouTube"; either way, it's all merely optional once one has thumbprinted a few grams of LSD!

You believe something posted on prisonplanet.com? Really?

#14 | Posted by qcp at 2009-07-31 02:02 PM