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Photos from US spy satellites declassified by the Obama White House provide the first graphic images of how the polar ice sheets are retreating in the summer. The effects on the world's weather, environments and wildlife could be devastating.

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Disappearing summer sea ice poses considerable dangers, scientists have warned. Ice shelves are used by animals such as polar bears as platforms for hunting seals and other sea creatures. Without them, they could starve. In addition, ice reflects solar radiation. Without that process, the Arctic sea could warm up even more. The phenomenon threatens to set off runaway heating of the planet, say climatologists.

Demonification of climatologists in 3....2....1....

Uhoh...the following will piss off GW deniers more than a Benny Hill send-up of "Passion of the Christ"...

The latest revelations have triggered warnings from scientists that they no longer have the funds to keep a comprehensive track of climate change...
"Our primary focus is maintaining the continuity of climate observations, and those are at great risk right now because we don't have the resources to have satellites at the ready and taking the kinds of information that we need," said Lubchenco, who was appointed by Obama. "We are playing catch-up."

Barrow, AK: July 2007 - July 2008

GW. Bush...coverups...Global Warming...revealed by Black Jesus' administration...this thread has all the hallmarks of being a GREAT SUCCESS at stirring up controversy on DR...discuss...

Yes, global warming is real. The planet has heated up by 0.5C since the 1970s. These are known facts. No one, left right or center should disagree with these facts. Now, the question is "are they caused by man"? Should we ban the SUV?

I can GUARANTEE they were not. Don't believe me? Want to bet 50 cents? [i am not greedy...]

Mars is being hit by rapid climate change and it is happening so fast that the red planet could lose its southern ice cap, writes Jonathan Leake.

Scientists from Nasa say that Mars has warmed by about 0.5C since the 1970s. This is similar to the warming experienced on Earth over approximately the same period.

Since there is no known life on Mars it suggests rapid changes in planetary climates could be natural phenomena...From The Sunday Times UK - April 29, 2007

Ok... so all you global warming nutjobs need to pay up.

Ice melts in the summer!

Yawwwwwwwnnnnnnn.

Attack Bush thread!

Yaawwwwwwnnnnnnn.

Suspend the Constitution! Global warming is more important!

Just checking back to see if any liberals needed to know where to send me money... none so far... oh well... [don't know why I would expect anything else... they only want to spend someone else's money!]

WOW! A photo refutes all doubters?
Global warming is the farce of all farces.

3,000 record low temps set in July...

Maybe THE GOREACLE can keep people from thinking about RATIONED HEATHCARE and CAP and TRADE, in the mean time are you having trouble breathing and just how hot is it with your head so far up AL GORES ASS...

"The latest revelations have triggered warnings from scientists that they no longer have the funds to keep a comprehensive track of climate change..."

Translation: My grant is running out!!!!!

You must renew my grant NOW!!!!!!!!!

It's the only way I can continue to scare you into renewing my grant in the future!!!!!!

Whether you believe in GW or not, it's absurd to think that Bush could hide evidence when there are thousands of people publicly reporting the data. LOL

Maybe Bush had other reasons for not wanting the world to know our spy satellites were focused on Barrow, Alaska, and not--you know, somewhere like North Korea. Maybe they didn't want the world to see how accurate--or not--our satellites were. Maybe they didn't want to betray some of the technology used.

But this administration is different. Not even data from our spy satellites are important enough to be used, when there's an important vote coming up in the Senate.

Gobama! Nothing like using our most advanced and secretive technology to whip those Blue Dog pussies into line.

It's actually global cooling. The ice just moved south a bit and you can't see it in that picture anymore.

So sad that the American rightwing felt, and seemingly still feels, the need to prevaricate and mislead the American public, all in the hope of garnering a few more votes. So sad.

3,000 record low temps set in July...

In the US. In one month. You can't make any claim of any sort of trend based on that limited bit of data.

haters keep hatin, you'll all be denying it right up to the shoreline of the new beautiful pittsburgh beach!

"...the shoreline of the new beautiful pittsburgh beach!"

yellowstone's volcano goin' off soon?

The fucking imbecile reichwing will believe in global warming when the water hits their trailer AND NOT ONE INBRED MOTHERFUCKING SECOND BEFORE!

And what EXACTLY are you, or anyone going to do about it to stop any ice from melting?

I want to know what can be done about it, when 100% of every study, ever, has said there is noting the US can do about it, even if we all stopped driving cars and using 0 oil tomorrow.

STFU you hypocrites. Damn idiotic. Claiming doom and gloom over issues you can't do a fucking damn thing about.

Brilliant.

the yellowstone caldera exploding is a much better way to go out... quickly. estimates at about 2 hrs for the shockwave of super-heated gas to reach the eastern seaboard. smoke em if ya got em!

kuma, if you found out you had cancer and would die in two years if you didn't change your diet/exercise, would you change? cuz y'know, you'll die anyway, so why bother?

You mean ice melts in summer heat? This can't be right. My science learnin' says that ain't right.

The lib global warming tards are amazing. Hey lib tards, look up the term "Dust Bowl." It happened in the 1930's. It produced dust storms from years of draught for at least 6 years and some areas 10 years across Oklahoma, Texas, New Mexico, Colorado and Kansas. Hundreds of thousands of people left their homes as they faced starvation. John Steinbeck wrote about it in "The Grapes of Wrath."

This happened before the population of the U.S. exploded, before the explosion in the numbers of cars or worries about 18 wheel trucks, the network of airports both public and private, before all the highways and freeways, before the large amount of industry that has swept across this country. This happened all the way back then but amazingly that area is great now even with all the CO2 emissions from industry and a population of 300,000 million Americans.

Imagine if the Dust Bowl happened again. The dumbass libtards would enact so many "Green" laws you wouldn't be able to drive a car again. Seriously, libtards, get a brain. If weathermen and climatologists can't tell you accurately what the weather will be like in 30 days, common sense tells you they can't predict what will happen in 30 YEARS. Duh!

This just in;

Global warming is happening. Not because of carbon but because everytime the subject comes up, everybody gets in heated arguments.

The only warming I've noticed this summer is coming out of the fucking registers when my furnace kicks in.

is obama working on a plan yet to evacuate new york? all signs are pointing to it being under water in about 20 years.so why not start now it will take that long to move millions of people away from deaths door.

warm today in Minnesota...hmmm

Later:>)

I do everything I personally can in regards to energy convservation, recycling, reducing waste etc but there is a reason why I, and I suspect a lot of people, aren't really scared of global climate change and that is that I'm a human being. I'm not a squirrel or a tree who can't think/move/adapt. If the climate changes shorelines or messes with temperatures or crops, we'll adapt our behaviors and our surroundings. Shorelines change? We'll move inland. Gets too hot? We'll move north. Too cold? South.

Whereas the GCC deniers don't take this seriously enough, the fanatics are far too pessimistic about Man's odds.

warm today in Minnesota...hmmm
Posted by Bani

Today? Yesterday? Day before? Week before? Month before? Hmmmm.

'Ice flow seen near Point Barrow, AK in 2006 and 2007.'

So on one hand recent swings in climate are to be used as uncontested proof that man is harmfully effecting the earth's climate.

'3,000 record low temps set in July... '

On the other hand recent swings in climate are inadmissible as proof that man isn't effecting the earth's climate.

'Graphic images that reveal the devastating impact of global warming in the Arctic have been released by the US military.'

It was warmer, there wasn't as much ice. So what?

There is no consensus, there's just a moon-bat agenda to cripple the economy of the United States and put people out of work.

It's over. The only people who believe humans caused global warming are idiots.

Oh, and there's nothing nobody can do anyway even if we wanted to.

This is just a scam to tax people and businesses. A make believe crisis that is quickly losing steam.

The Democrats can:

'A' - Keep running around screaming that the sky is falling and lose big at election time.

or

'B' - Shut up.

My hope is the Democrats will go with option 'A'.

'In February, a Nasa satellite carrying instruments to produce the first map of the Earth's carbon emissions crashed near Antarctica only three minutes after lift-off.'

Or did Bush & Cheney shoot it down with a space ray cannon they bought from Dr. Evil . . . .

A space ray cannon developed by Halibuton! Developed with funds that were originally intended to used to feed homeless snow seal pups.

I'm sure NASA missed seeing the "hot engine" light.

So sad that the American rightwing felt, and seemingly still feels, the need to prevaricate and mislead the American public, all in the hope of garnering a few more votes. So sad.

Is m8 chanelling jackass today or something? If not for the signature, I'd swear his last 15 posts were from ole' ratsa

Obama's EPA HIDES Anti-Global Warming Report:

Check out this story from YESTERDAY on CBS News:

"The Environmental Protection Agency may have suppressed an internal report that was skeptical of claims about global warming, including whether carbon dioxide must be strictly regulated by the federal government, according to a series of newly disclosed e-mail messages.

Less than two weeks before the agency formally submitted its pro-regulation recommendation to the White House, an EPA center director quashed a 98-page report that warned against making hasty "decisions based on a scientific hypothesis that does not appear to explain most of the available data."
www.cbsnews.com

Of course, there are NO LINK discussion on this lib website to such a news report. Doesn't fit the lib template.

if people would just stop writing about climate change it would go away just like the ozone hole and acid rain.

The fucking imbecile reichwing will believe in global warming when the water hits their trailer

Will it take the left longer than that to figure it out?

Is m8 chanelling jackass today or something? If not for the signature, I'd swear his last 15 posts were from ole' ratsa

#35 | Posted by goatman at 2009-07-27 07:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

They share a nerve stem

Global warming aside - The headline implies that Bush hid these because they were evidence of global warming instead of them being spy satellite pictures.

Is there evidence that Bush hid these for that reason? Are spy satellites routinely declassified - and these weren't? Does the declassification show our enemies our capabilities that they might not have otherwise known about?

"...and acid rain."

Apparently, someone hasn't traveled the Blue Ridge Parkway recently... say, in the past twenty years or so.

Does the declassification show our enemies our capabilities that they might not have otherwise known about?

#40 | Posted by somoco

The answer to that is that Obama does not give a rats ass about U.S. national security. He would sell out the country on every national secret we have if he could destroy the Republican Party or at least provide a destraction from Obama's many failed policies.

"My hope is the Democrats will go with option 'A'."

The republicans already did.

That's why there's a Democratic majority in the Senate and House, and why there's a Democrat living in the White House.

They share a nerve stem

#39 | Posted by vernon

And a Mother.

"...if he could destroy the Republican Party..."

No effort needed.

The republicans are doing a bang-up job all by themselves.

See: birthers

See: limbaugh

See: palin

Apparently, someone hasn't traveled the Blue Ridge Parkway recently... say, in the past twenty years or so.

and how big is the ozone hole now and shouldn't we all be dead of cancer? that's what had me depressed for 10 years before it went off the radar.

"and how big is the ozone hole now and shouldn't we all be dead of cancer? that's what had me depressed for 10 years before it went off the radar."

"...and acid rain."

Apparently, someone hasn't traveled the Blue Ridge Parkway recently... say, in the past twenty years or so.

#24 | Posted by utastaff at 2009-07-27 07:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Dumbass! The dust bowl WAS mostly man made, from overusing the soil and not rotating crops... add in a little drought...

Somoco asks, "Does the declassification show our enemies our capabilities that they might not have otherwise known about?"

No, and since actions are automatically planned by terrorists to avoid known satellites, during times of vulnerability. From the first manned spaceflight, where a Hasselbad with a 500mm lens took a photo of a small boat on the Amazon, whose driver was reading a newspaper, and the title clearly visible when the image was enlarged.

Satellites on the horizon can photograph faces and license plates, and everyone who cares knows that, except that it serves their purpose for the general public to remain ignorant.

However, the point is that there are lots of satellites which routinely, and unclassified take images of the same areas the 'declassified' images show, here. What the 'news' fails to show is that more Southern regions are growing in ice coverage. Showing those areas and explaining that the ice is moving to other regions, instead of the ones they use to propagandize understanding and dupe the public, or try.

Such photos have been available all these years from the world's various weather services, but they ARE NOT DECLASSIFIED and that 'factoid' used to pull-the-wool over the 'eyes' of the bleating sheep of manmade Global Warming.

Just another lie from those intent on seizing power and by denying the public through lies and taxation! Fascist politics from the party that seceded to continue the slavery and the 'power' that represented to tyrants ...

Al Gore is hiding all kinds of man-made global warming debunking evidence in his 30,000 square foot palace.

It's also a little known fact that the mansion almost took off like a helicopter earlier this summer when the dials on his electric meter started spinning.

Dumbass! The dust bowl WAS mostly man made, from overusing the soil and not rotating crops... add in a little drought...

#48 | Posted by Qual70

Overusing the soil caused a draught? It affected the rain?

Come on dumbass libs. Get back to the library and get some more learnin'.

At most, this would be evidence of polar warming in the North....not global warming....In any case, while the north polar ice may or may not be melting more than refreezing...it is 6 % of the ice on the globe....90% is in antarctica, and the sea ice is expanding there, in spite of a large volcano.....Sure has been cold this July and for the past 8 years, though....

"Come on dumbass libs. Get back to the library and get some more learnin'."

The word is "learning."

The phenomenon was caused by severe drought coupled with decades of extensive farming without crop rotation, fallow fields, cover crops and other techniques to prevent erosion.

en.wikipedia.org

And also this...

science.howstuffworks.com

The seeds of the Dust Bowl may have been sowed during the early 1920s. A post-World War I recession led farmers to try new mechanized farming techniques as a way to increase profits. Many bought plows and other farming equipment, and between 1925 and 1930 more than 5 million acres of previously unfarmed land was plowed [source: CSA]. With the help of mechanized farming, farmers produced record crops during the 1931 season. However, overproduction of wheat coupled with the Great Depression led to severely reduced market prices. The wheat market was flooded, and people were too poor to buy. Farmers were unable to earn back their production costs and expanded their fields in an effort to turn a profit -- they covered the prairie with wheat in place of the natural drought-resistant grasses and left any unused fields bare.

Sanan, it appears that takau (the asshole known as utastaff) doesn't know what to say. Perhaps she's getting some "learnin'"

I told you.............the sky is always falling on the liberal marxists.
Welcome to the obamanation of desolation, where HOPE is something given to you by stealing from a producing individual, and given to all the talentless michael the pedophyle jackass wanna beez, that danced and sang in the aisles of the classrom, instead of learning to do something with their lives. The lib marxists can only deal with one superstar at a time, and their assclown in the White House is on the way to burnt out nova, ppphhhttttt! And change, is just a old liberal playbook with a different or changed color. I can't believe you morons on the left actually thought you could silence the objections of the right by putting a black boy in office. Have you figured out yet that it is not his color? It is his worthless, hopeless, message.

"It is his worthless, hopeless, message."

You mean the "worthless, hopeless message" which won him Indiana, Virginia and North Carolina in 2008?

The "worthless, hopeless message" which gave him 53% of the popular vote?

The "worthless, hopeless message" which gave him almost 70,000,000 popular votes, more than any presidential candidate before?

The "worthless, hopeless message" which gave him 365 electoral votes?

That "worthless, hopeless message"?

Oh, yeah, I forgot: ppphhhttttt!

You can lead a republican to knowledge but you can't make them read it. Take a look around here folks, their only retort is decades old rhetoric and childish I'm rubber, your glue junior high school name calling. Beavus and Butthead showed more wit.

Beavus and Butthead showed more wit.

#59 | Posted by RingMaster
Not to mention Obama and Biden.

Take a look around here folks, their only retort is decades old rhetoric and childish I'm rubber, your glue junior high school name calling.

Are you implying the democrats on this site do not engage in that sort of stuff?

The bottom line is this. The Democrats are going to pass some sort of meaningless pork filled job killing cap'n'tax monstrosity and then beat their chests about how they've done something about man-made global warming, but the 'more is still needed'.

Employment will continue to go up. And the Democrats have their clocks cleaned politically.

"Employment will continue to go up. And the Democrats have their clocks cleaned politically."

I suppose in some bizarro world, this makes sense.

OK, now that the scientific community is begin to break its much vaunted consensus on global warming, the libs have a new playbook out.

Featuring, big surprise, George Bush.. now Bush covered up global warming, along with killing that great man Saddam Hussein, and putting the Iraqi's under the tyranny of democracy. Not to forget that he and Cheney enriched themselves off of Iraqi oil (somehow).

It's a short step to the next page in the play book.. George Bush CAUSED GLOBAL warming.. that's right, he did it on purpose to hurt poor people, because we all know he hates them. Plus.. how is poor Al Gore supposed to make a living if we stop selling carbon credits.. hmmm? More meanness from Bush.. He was one busy guy..

(ooops.. I hate typos.. "beginning" not "begin"

Dang.. I'm sure Bush is blame.. just give me enough time and I'll figure out how..

now Bush covered up global warming,

Don't forget that absolutely stunning Katrina thing he did. That was nothing but a stroke of pure genius!

So sad that the American rightwing felt, and seemingly still feels, the need to prevaricate and mislead the American public, all in the hope of garnering a few more votes. So sad.

#16 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-07-27 06:49 PM

Almost like when Bush tried to pass a trillion dollar bill through congress without those who voted for the bill having time to have read it. Oh, my bad, that was the current pres. Sorry 'bout that.

Wait let me get this right, there was less ice in July then in June? And this proves global warming how? Sorry guys its how its suppose to be.

That being said I am a believer in global climate change. Just not 100% sure its caused by humans. (id say i am at about 52% certain we effect it in a meaningful way)

To be fair, George Bush did eventually admit that global warming was caused by greenhouse gasses, a fact he tried to cover up for 7 years as our president, but that was in January 2007 when it became obvious that his position was a political hot potato and the vast majority of the eight graders in the country knew more about climate change then is self appointed science czar.

It is also noteworthy that by January 2007 it was becoming quite obvious that the general public was wise to his big oil ties and their misinformation platform and were apparently trying to get a more educated man in office. Politics, not patriotism was GW's motivation, as usual.

Unfortunately for GW, his sudden admission of the truth was too late, but apparently not for his followers who still think they can out fox the eighth graders.

that's what had me depressed for 10 years before it went off the radar.

#46 | Posted by semtex111 at 2009-07-27 08:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

SemTex believed media hype!

HA~! HA~!

Now, let's get back to the grave and serious issue of Global Warming media hype

There is no consensus, there's just a moon-bat agenda to cripple the economy of the United States and put people out of work.

What does repealing Glass-Steagall have to do with all this?

Seriuosly, cripple the economy? Got a link for that? Nobody ever does...

My god people. Ice difference over one year constitutes Global Warming? WTF people. You can't be that naive. Haven't you experienced warmer and colder then "normal" seasons? If it was so dramatic why didn't they show us 6-7 years of photos?

Look at the old National Geographic images of the North Pole. If you don't know this conversation has flip flopped about every 20 years for the past 100 years. Global Warming > Global Cooling > back and forth. It's amazing the difference from year to year.

What about the exceptional global cooling going on in the US Midwest this "summer"? Normal lows in the 70s getting down into the 40s and 50s regularly. 1 year to the next difference does NOT show a trend, pattern or anything. Put some science behind your babbles. You do realize that man in his ever increasing expulsion of gasses and carbon is responsible for less then 2% of total green house gas production in the world?

Do any of you realize that there are climate cycles and we have no really good history on them? That with or without man that climate change always happens? That reliable measurement of temperatures is not even happening yet today? Given all those factors... How can we reliably say what is going on?

Dumbass! The dust bowl WAS mostly man made, from overusing the soil and not rotating crops... add in a little drought...

#48 | Posted by Qual70

Overusing the soil caused a draught? It affected the rain?

Come on dumbass libs. Get back to the library and get some more learnin'.

#51 | Posted by utastaff

yes you stupid fuck.. it was primarily a result of poor agricultural practices that..

fuck what a bunch of morons.

Yes, global warming is real. The planet has heated up by 0.5C since the 1970s. These are known facts. No one, left right or center should disagree with these facts. Now, the question is "are they caused by man"? Should we ban the SUV?
I can GUARANTEE they were not. Don't believe me? Want to bet 50 cents? [i am not greedy...]
Mars is being hit by rapid climate change and it is happening so fast that the red planet could lose its southern ice cap, writes Jonathan Leake.
Scientists from Nasa say that Mars has warmed by about 0.5C since the 1970s. This is similar to the warming experienced on Earth over approximately the same period.
Since there is no known life on Mars it suggests rapid changes in planetary climates could be natural phenomena...From The Sunday Times UK - April 29, 2007
Ok... so all you global warming nutjobs need to pay up.
#6 | Posted by 1libertarian at 2009-07-27 02:17 AM

Yeah, your a real braintrust. If you were to have read any past arguments from "nutjob liberals" the argument isn't who to blame, but how to proceed. I can't understand why you would support exploiting the environment while undergoing undetermined extra-solar activity? Could it be that you have a vested interest? Do you drive an SUV?

Whether you believe in GW or not, it's absurd to think that Bush could hide evidence when there are thousands of people publicly reporting the data. LOL
#13 | Posted by goatman at 2009-07-27 10:54 AM

There are over three MILLION American citizens with multiple levels of secrecy.

Thousands of people were put of employment with the EPA libraries closed by the BushCo. Why would those essential and relevant datastores be made inaccessible?

Perhaps this information regarding such extreme climatic conditions is designed to either provoke this dialogue or to prevent it?

Gosh, I can't help but look at the article and say bullshit!!!!! The article is about military photos taken from a spy satellite. Now all of a sudden it's perceived that Bush covered up the photos.

You know you libs make me laugh when you start in with your bullshit conspiracy theories. I mean Holy shit, there's like 365 conspiracies a year when it comes to you guys. Your conspiracy holds no water. Bush can't possibly see each and every piece of paperwork/photos produced by the military. To say he did is not the brightest thing you've thought all year.

Lonnie

fuck what a bunch of morons.

Pretty much, but this site is like crack.

Typical thread, stupid as most of them are as of the last few months.

As for the 3000 records broken this year for cold summer weather, let's take a scientific look at the cause.

Temperatures in the Arctic are higher then anytime in recorded history. That does not mean they are in the 90's, it means they temperatures are up by 4 or 5 degrees F. The result is a massive high pressure has formed on the north pole. Any meteorologist will tell you that a high pressure zone moves low pressure zones out of it's path. This Arctic high has pushed colder, low pressure air farther south then normal, but that air is still colder then the normal air temps in those northerly regions hence the records.

This is exactly what was predicted by computer climate models made decades ago.

You can fool the republicans, but you can't change the observable facts and all the facts so far indicate that the global average is up, also as predicted, in spite of what local temperatures might be in any given month and any given place.

Now, let's hear the mealy mouthed start calling people with a real education in science "libs" again just because it is their only defense.

"Whereas the GCC deniers don't take this seriously enough, the fanatics are far too pessimistic about Man's odds.
#29 | Posted by GreenDad"

I find common ground with you.

Bush also suppressed evidence humans caused the Ice Age and then made the glaciers retreat! Humans are evil and responsible for everything!
Only Mother Jones and Omni have ever told the TRUTH!
Abort all humans.

It's hard to have a scientific discussion with people who know the earth is 6,000 years old.

The fossils are there to trick you, Diablo! Obama too! The cake is a lie!

"fuck what a bunch of morons."

Pretty much, but this site is like crack.
#76 | Posted by ness_gadol at 2009-07-28 12:28 AM

FF, with a side of irreverent truthiness.

Btw - at 11pm it just dropped from 90 to 87 in Portland. We are looking at this next week getting hotter and hotter. 103 was our high today and we're about to bust the record for number of consecutive days of heat. The high front is just sitting on the coastline, not allowing the low to move in. "Hotter n' biscuits" as the weatherman just reported.

Bush also suppressed evidence humans caused the Ice Age and then made the glaciers retreat! Humans are evil and responsible for everything!
Only Mother Jones and Omni have ever told the TRUTH!
Abort all humans.
#80 | Posted by Diablo at 2009-07-28 01:45 AM

Yes, BushCo did suppress the facts of global climate change by closing all EPA libraries. Get over yourself.

This just in. Climate changes. Every hour. Every day. Every week. Every month. Every year, and also in cycles that we do not understand. To take a macro change and then make a universal claim is not only junk science, it borders on the irrational.

And we are to believe such a handy release of "evidence" from the most dishonest administration ever? Right. The anecdotal evidence leads more toward a cooling trend, in spite of rising CO2 levels. That pretty much destroys the entire idea of AGW except in the minds of the obsessed.

Hey, I was watching a round-up of Deadliest Catch on Discovery Channel. These guys have been fishing in the Bering Sea all their lives, and they report that the wintertime ice is getting thicker and traveling farther south every year.

I trust these guys to report the truth on this matter more than the Obama administration co-conspirators.

That kinda makes the Obama "evidence" a pile of fabricated bullshit.

This just in. Climate changes. Every hour. Every day. Every week. Every month. Every year, and also in cycles that we do not understand. To take a macro change and then make a universal claim is not only junk science, it borders on the irrational.
And we are to believe such a handy release of "evidence" from the most dishonest administration ever? Right. The anecdotal evidence leads more toward a cooling trend, in spite of rising CO2 levels. That pretty much destroys the entire idea of AGW except in the minds of the obsessed.
#84 | Posted by Dinsey at 2009-07-28 03:39 AM

What "borders on the irrational" is doing nothing to sequester the damage humans can cause.

"Handy release of evidence" - just as the evidence was so handily suppressed? Why do you insist on protecting BushCo? This isn't about CO2 so much as lifestyle changes and those who refuse to cease pollution. Why compound planetary problems with irrational waste and pollution?

Obama has only been in power for 6 months. The global warming issue has been around for 30 years now. Scientists knew there were consequences to allowing too much pollution and began documenting the man made changes decades ago. The Obama conspiracy is just exactly that, a farce. If you pubbies really want to blame it on Obama go right ahead, but don't expect reasonable men and women to ever listen to you again when you come up with nonsense lake that.

proud to inform you doing my part for climate change,keeping my carbon footprint down to 10% of what gore uses,can't we find a way to cap and tax the asshole's excessive use of energy.

Semtex111, I'm with you there. My carbon footprint is less than 1/4th of that asshole Al Gores yet I catch more crap from the idiots because I still say Man-made global warming isn't happening. Of course Gore gets a pass from these idiots on his excessive use of electricity and private jets that aren't exactly earth friendly.

Lonnie

bad boy george w. shrub never cared about saving the environment or 'going green', all he cared about was his own personnal 'jihad' and his wars based on lies iniitiated by his pride and joy 9-11-01. he should never have been allowed to BUY the 2000 election or manipulate the 2004 election to his favor.

We definitely can't blame it on our factories and industries, we have sent them all out of the country. We sent General uh government motors to foreign countries to build new factories ( of coarse this had nothing to do with they're going broke, and gave them zillions of buck to work for the government, The tide ebbs and flows, so does our invironment.

So basically the arguments now aren't that there is no global warming, but that supposedly we can't do anything about it.

Faced with facts the reichwing diverts.

sop.

bad boy george w. shrub never cared about saving the environment or 'going green', all he cared about was his own personnal 'jihad' and his wars based on lies iniitiated by his pride and joy 9-11-01. he should never have been allowed to BUY the 2000 election or manipulate the 2004 election to his favor.

#90 | Posted by zeke
----------------------
Really? Is that why he went green at his ranch in Crawford? The truth is, George shamed Al Gore into going green too supposedly. Al Gore was out there preaching global warming yet didn't upgrade his home.

It's funny how idiots forget, congress gave him a go to war free card. George didn't just send the troops in, your congressman/woman voted for it. As for buying the election, do you mean sort of like that idiot Al Franken did? George didn't buy the election nor did he manipulate the 2004 election.

Lonnie

"Since there is no known life on Mars it suggests rapid changes in planetary climates could be natural phenomena...From The Sunday Times UK - April 29, 2007

Ok... so all you global warming nutjobs need to pay up.

To assume without proof that the Earth and Mars respond similarly to a given external factor is pretty silly given how different their atmospheres are. The mass of the Martian atmosphere is about 1% of that of the Earth, so the absorption by greenhouse gases is small and has little or no affect on the surface temperature.

In fact it is thought that changes in the albedo of Mars (a measure of the reflective character of the planet) is responsible for the observed temperature changes.

www.timesonline.co.uk

One consequence is that the surface temperature varies by about 70 degrees Celsius in a single day.

Ah, that stalwart bastion of conservative ideology but predispositioned thought...the Brit's own Gaurdian. Great source of unvarnished, lopsided reporting for the crowd of Bush conspiracy lovers.

Another opportunity for that all knowing group to state, "I knew it! There it is in black and white. Now let's extrapolate that false premise presented and bloviate about the Evil One some more. Gotta keep this alive so no one will notice what the ONE is really up to."

Of course, there are NO LINK discussion on this lib website to such a news report. Doesn't fit the lib template.

#36 | Posted by utastaff

Excellent find, UTAstaff. Very good find.

"You do realize that man in his ever increasing expulsion of gasses and carbon is responsible for less then 2% of total green house gas production in the world?"

A clue for the clueless. Global warming is about CHANGES in global temperatures which are influenced by CHANGES in greenhouse gases. Assuming a linear response, a 2% change in greenhouse gases would produce a .02 x 290 = 5.8 degree Celsius change in temperature.

Of course, there are NO LINK discussion on this lib website to such a news report. Doesn't fit the lib template.
#36 | Posted by utastaff

That's right: it's somebody else's fault they didn't post something you think should be posted. LOL.

Hey, Doc...whatcha doin' on the anti-Bush thread? Don't you belong over on the anti-Palin thread?

JEST -
I feel like Jim Thrope who supposedly replied, when asked whether he got tired during his multi-tasking at the 1912 Olympics, "Yeah -- running from event to event."

"You mean ice melts in summer heat? This can't be right. My science learnin' says that ain't right."

Yep...and the summer heat in July 2007 melted MUCH more than the summer heat of July 2006. A little more spoon feeding and you may come to actually understand the article. Don't ask me though, I've done my bit.

"This just in. Climate changes. Every hour. Every day. "

Which makes it clear that dinsey the dummy doesn't even know the definition of the word 'climate'. According to the The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)

"Climate in a narrow sense is usually defined as the "average weather," or more rigorously, as the statistical description in terms of the mean and variability of relevant quantities over a period of time ranging from months to thousands or millions of years."

But who'd expect a wingut to know what he was talking about?

"I feel like Jim Thrope who supposedly replied, when asked whether he got tired during his multi-tasking at the 1912 Olympics, "Yeah -- running from event to event."

Yeah, but Bush and Palin are both gone. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, there are numerous anti-Obama threads with CURRENT blasphemies taking place and your defense of the Obamessiah (and other sitting thugs) is urgently needed. Maybe I'll see you over there.

"The only warming I've noticed this summer is coming out of the fucking registers when my furnace kicks in."

Don't confuse your basement with the globe otherwise you risk sounding like Palin who thinks Africa is a country.

"The anecdotal evidence leads more toward a cooling trend, in spite of rising CO2 levels. "

I assume you are referring to wingnut anecdotes.

Photos of the coast of ancorage in the 1960...

NO Ice on the ocean May 20 1960
vilda.alaska.edu

November 9 1960 ZERO ICE!!!
vilda.alaska.edu

Another shot of the accorage inlet with ZERO ICE Nov 9th 1960....
vilda.alaska.edu

That God Damn BUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Those are the photos Gore doesn't want you to see... November 9th 1960.... no ice or snow in sight in ancorage alaska.....

You Simple minded idiots...

Did you hear about the alien space ships on the moon???? :-(

I'll sell ya some pics.. :-) Color Glossies too!

Barrow Alaska 1960

Zero Ice

vilda.alaska.edu

"Those are the photos Gore doesn't want you to see... November 9th 1960.... no ice or snow in sight in ancorage alaska....."

Those shots were just before the "global cooling" crisis, weren't they?

Deering Alaska Summer 1980's
vilda.alaska.edu

Finally found some ice....

If you can call those small scraps ice...

Kodiak No Ice

vilda.alaska.edu

Maybe BUSH Stole it!

Maybe he put it all here in Tanana

vilda.alaska.edu

"Photos of the coast of ancorage in the 1960..."

This knuckledragger misspelled Anchorage several times so it is perhaps not surprising that he failed to understand the point of the article i.e. that the ice cover was reduce in 2007 compared to 2006. Maybe they are cherry-picking, who knows? It is certain however that clains zero ice cover for a couple of years provides ZERO information about the trend or warming.

Those shots were just before the "global cooling" crisis, weren't they?

#110 | Posted by jestgettinalong

I'm betting the next crisis will be the moderate climate crisis.

Anyone who has a decenting opinion is a knuckle dragger? Especially when you provide proof.... Attack.... Attack.... Attack.... Hey... How do you spell clains.... You knuckle dragging monkey bastard

I would post but I can see the Righties are
just every bit in Denial on Global Warming
as they are as to who is responsible for the
mess on the Economy...

so why bother. Happy little froggies until
they and their children boil...

(shakes head)...some people you could hit with
a freight train, and they still wouldn't get it.

but then again...since this fragment of society
looks a full 3 days into the future...

The picture of Barrow, Alaska is the only relevent one in this discussion and the pictures in the article we are discussing both show water on the coast. If you call that proof of anything it's proof that bashthis is an idiot who can't even figure out which way the camera is pointed.

"Anyone who has a decenting opinion is a knuckle dragger?"

Nope, just those who are really clueless. First I suggest you learn the difference between 'warm' and 'warming' and then you might be able to understand that warm (e.g. no ice) by itself implies neither warming or cooling.

I trust these guys to report the truth on this matter more than the Obama administration co-conspirators.

That kinda makes the Obama "evidence" a pile of fabricated bullshit.

#85 | Posted by Dinsey

That is called anecdotal evidence fuckwit.. not an actual measurement of jack shit. If the place they fish gets more ice but the other 990 places they do lose ice.. does that mean they are correct?

Its called science..read about it sometime.

Anyone who has a decenting opinion is a knuckle dragger? Especially when you provide proof.... Attack.... Attack.... Attack.... Hey... How do you spell clains.... You knuckle dragging monkey bastard

#116 | Posted by bashthis

That is because only retards refute actual measured evidence. The only way to get you mental midgets to say yes possibly to anything is to stick the smelly turd right in your face and ask does this stink? Even then I believe you would say no it has a fragrant odor that only the truely refined can appreciate coupled with some "Lib tard" comment.

The only thing rethugs appreciate or respect is violence much like their islamic jihadist or somali pirate brethren.

"Hey, I was watching a round-up of Deadliest Catch on Discovery Channel. These guys have been fishing in the Bering Sea all their lives, and they report that the wintertime ice is getting thicker and traveling farther south every year."

Lets see you are given a satellite photo over a broad geographical region involving thousands of pixels, each with the same info as your single ice cover report and you vote for the single report. You are one seriously retarded knuckledragger.

It looks like "knuckle dragger" has replaced "luddite" as tom's preferred insult

yea that's right... Attack you lib bitches... I showed you a site with HUNDREDS of picturs of Alaska in the 1960's with no ice... Camera pointed my ass!

'picturs(sic)'

LOL!

"yea that's right... Attack you lib bitches... I showed you a site with HUNDREDS of picturs of Alaska in the 1960's with no ice... Camera pointed my ass!"

Meaningless. Try demonstrating a trend from no ice to ice over a broad geographical area and then maybe you'll have something neotard.

Really? Is that why he went green at his ranch in Crawford? The truth is, George shamed Al Gore into going green too supposedly. Al Gore was out there preaching global warming yet didn't upgrade his home.
It's funny how idiots forget, congress gave him a go to war free card. George didn't just send the troops in, your congressman/woman voted for it. As for buying the election, do you mean sort of like that idiot Al Franken did? George didn't buy the election nor did he manipulate the 2004 election.
Lonnie
#93 | Posted by lwalk17 at 2009-07-28 09:50 AM

How "green" do think Crawford really is? Solar panels? Water reclamation? Insulation? So why close EPA libraries during a global period of dramatic climate change? Why not incentivize domestically produced greening for all homes? Why all the oil-burning, petrol producing and "drill baby" drilling? Perhaps his family and friends have something to gain at the expense of every American citizen?

Al Frankin won by a vast margin of public opinion by the vote count. It's possible he could have manipulated the existing Die Bold voting machines, but he's an honest John, so I highly doubt that he would. Coleman was the one who lied and drug the process through the semi-legal mud after claiming that the vote should not be contested.

Also, you should probably watch Stealing America Vote By Vote for statistical information and first-hand officials testimonies regarding the theft of the 2000 & 2004 Presidential elections. They even have the Princeton footage demonstrating one simple machine hack that one election official performed at the behest of Die Bold. Peter Coyote narrates, it's 90 minutes and quite well done, imo.

To assume without proof that the Earth and Mars respond similarly to a given external factor is pretty silly given how different their atmospheres are. The mass of the Martian atmosphere is about 1% of that of the Earth, so the absorption by greenhouse gases is small and has little or no affect on the surface temperature.
In fact it is thought that changes in the albedo of Mars (a measure of the reflective character of the planet) is responsible for the observed temperature changes.
www.timesonline.co.uk
One consequence is that the surface temperature varies by about 70 degrees Celsius in a single day.
#94 | Posted by Tom_W at 2009-07-28 10:51 AM

It appears that the amount of moisture in the Martian atmosphere compared with soil content is indicative of a possible massive displacement of water. Chlorofluorocarbons on Earth are generated en mass from places similar to Siberian soil due to permafrost melting, which is similar to Martian conditions in it's past, having already released it's majority into the atmosphere.

You are correct, it's difficult to compare accurately, but end imo results are probable.

Meaningless. Try demonstrating a trend from no ice to ice over a broad geographical area and then maybe you'll have something neotard

OK then Tom.... Why don't you post some links to all this trend data.....

Then maybe you can explain why hundreds of the worlds leading scientsts on the subject say Gores theory is crap....

Morons who have no clue as to what Global Warming really is continue to quote minor fluctuations in local temperatures as "proof" that the planet is not warming - and warming orders of magnitude faster than previous geological climate shifts. Climate changes that used to take thousands of years now take decades. That's impossible to attribute primarily to natural causes. We have records from the ice cores from Antarctica going back over 600,000 years, and they show nothing remotely like what we are seeing now.

Global warming doesn't mean that New York City is going to turn into Miami. The major result of GW is that all of the weather patterns that are in such a delicate balance will alter dramatically. Areas that were warm may cool off. Areas that were temperate may turn to desert. Floods and droughts will show up in unexpected areas. Seas will gradually rise. Rain patterns will alter (they already are changing). In France, olive crops are failing regularly since the formerly dependable dry and rainy seasons are altering.

Most of the fresh water on the planet is held in ice in the Antarctic and the Greenland Ice Cap. Both are now melting and shrinking at a rate so fast that scientists can see the differences year to year. The onrush of fresh water from the melting Greenland Ice Cap lowers the salinity of the water at the head of the Gulf Stream conveyor belt, where the cooling water gets heavy, drops to the bottom, and returns south. Drops in the salinity (already measurable) threaten to disrupt and stop the Gulf Stream, which will make the UK and northern Europe into frozen wilderness. London is, after all, on the same latitude as Goose Bay, Labrador, and Aberdeen is about even with Sitka, Alaska.

This is a graph of 10 different reconstructed measures of mean global temperature changes over the past 2000 years. Note the extreme rise in an extremely short time starting with the industrial era and continuing to skyrocket.

2000 Years of Earth's Mean Temperature

Here is the Goddard Institute for Space Studies graph covering the years from 1880. Note that, while annual averages continue to fluctuate (an irrelevancy often cited by deniers), the smoothed trend is inexorably climbing (routinely ignored by deniers).

The Last 130 Years

Shrinkage in Glacier Thickness in Last 50 Years

The 20 Warmest years on record - Celsius Anomaly from the mean(1901-2000)

2005 0.6058
1998 0.5768
2002 0.5575
2003 0.5566
2006 0.5524
2007 0.5499
2004 0.5332
2001 0.4939
2008 0.4869
1997 0.4618
1995 0.3991
1999 0.3953
1990 0.3701
2000 0.3632
1991 0.3239
1988 0.2886
1987 0.2867
1994 0.2820
1983 0.2715
1996 0.2586

Notice a pattern here?

Here's the rise in atmospheric carbon dioxide between 1960 and today. Notice a pattern?

#128 | Posted by bashthis at 2009-07-28 01:45 PM | Reply | Flag: [citation needed]

"On the Influence of Carbonic Acid in the Air upon the Temperature of the Ground"
Arrhenius, Svante, 1896.

"Gores(sic) theory"

1896

Boy howdy Al must be REALLY old!

(Or batshit is really stupid. You decide.)

Hundreds of scientists, few of whom are climatologists (and most of those are either kooks with eccentric and often discredited theories, or are industry-supported) can't compare with the tens of thousands of climatologists who are all in agreement that climate change fed by human-produced greenhouse gases is very, very real.

Remember, you can also round up a minority of scientists who will support the steady state theory of cosmology over the big bang, and even some who will insist that the Earth is actually flat. As to those who receive financing either directly or indirectly from industry:

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it."

- Upton Sinclair

Great quote! Economics and the environment are at odds.

The Gore trashers fail to point out that Gore's 'home' includes the headquarters of his foundation, and is thus more than 4 times the size of an average residential home in the area.

They also ignore that one reason Gore pays so much in energy costs is that Gore pays a high premium for his electricity because he purchases power through the local Green Power Switch program, which delivers energy generated through solar power, wind power, and methane gas, all of which create considerably less waste and pollution than ordinary houses that receive their power from dirty coal-fired power plants. The Gores have been steadily 'greening' their house, installing solar panels, for example, and have the goal of a carbon-neutral life style.

Just goes to show how cherrypicking a few statistics out of context is the only way the deniers can make any point at all.

You prove the old adage that there are three kinds of lie: lies, damn lies, and statistics.

129 | Posted by BlueSun

The only problem we have with this data is that the majority of qualified Scientists on this subject seem to disagree. They mostely seem the think that this is nature doing what it does.

-qualified Scientists

Uh-huh.

"97% of active climatologists agree that human activity is causing global warming"

scienceblogs.com

More than 500 scientists have published evidence refuting the current man-made global warming scare, according to a new analysis of peer-reviewed literature by the Hudson Institute.

social.moldova.org

Who do you want to believe??? That is the question

justgettingalong:

There are always minor variations in local climates. I remember t-shirt days at my old cabin at 10,000 feet in the Colorado Rockies in February, and three feet of snow before the end of Summer in early September.

The only scientific way to determine what's happening to the Earth is to establish data points all over the planet, record the results year by year, and statistically calculate the changes over time. Compare this with existing weather records and the data gotten through analysis of ice cores from the Antarctic that go back 600,000 years and you can establish very accurate trends.

Anecdotal stories about conditions on one day (or even one year) at some local area are just proof that climate is always varying within limits at the micro level. Global warming scientists measure climatic changes at the macro level across the entire planet over a significant period of time.

Trying to extrapolate the general from the specific is a logical fallacy known as 'hasty generalization.' When the person is intentionally choosing only examples that support the conclusion he wants to prove, it is known as a 'selection bias.'

For example, on a foreign tourist's first visit to the United States, he sees an albino white squirrel. He goes home and tells everybody that all the squirrels in the US are white.

-More than 500 scientists

They are a vast minority, and many work in the oil industry.

Well Corky figured it all out didn't he...

My whole problem with this is that the politicians are beating the drum not the scientists..

I will say that again if needed.......

And then there is this little FACT..
Dr. Jim Hansen of NASA first put out the idea that we were entering into a period of global cooling in the 1970's.

After this failed to get traction in the marketplace, he switched to global warming, and his idea took hold as people were buying into the idea. Since then, he has made millions off of this scam.

-My whole problem

Somehow, I seriously doubt that this is your whole problem.

Just sayin'.

The Hudson Institute is a right-wing think tank whose agenda is supporting industry and unregulated free markets. They state their mission as a "commitment to free markets and individual responsibility, confidence in the power of technology to assist progress, respect for the importance of culture and religion in human affairs, and determination to preserve America's national security."

Its current and past trustees and fellows make up a who's-who of prominent right-wing Neoconservatives, such as Robert Bork, Conrad Black, Donald Kagan, Richard Perle, Henry Kissinger, General William Odom, Alexander Haig, Scooter Libby, Dan Quayle, Ken Duberstein, Norman Podhoretz, Francis Fukuyama, and numerous others.

They are heavily funded by ADM, American Cyanamid, ExxonMobil, Merck, Eli Lilly, Monsanto, DuPont, Dow-Elanco, Sandoz, National Agricultural Chemical Association, PhRMA, Sunkist, Heinz, Ciba-Geigy, Cargill, Proctor & Gamble, and Cargill.

They also receive large grants from the usual cast of characters among the extreme right-wing billionaire family foundations that fund virtually every think tank and issue group on the right, including Adolf Coors' Castle Rock foundation, various Richard Mellon Scaife foundations, Smith Richardson Foundation, Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, Koch Family Foundation, Earhart Foundation, and John M. Olin Foundation.

Google any of these, and you will see virtually every wingnut think tank and fringe issue group in their list of grantees.

I don't know where they cherrypick their scientists, except to continue to go to the same small group of either ideologically blindered free-marketeers or industry-funded flacks, but I do know that a poll taken in January of thousands of earth scientists showed that 97% of climatologists agreed that global warming is real and human activity is a significant factor.

The two scientific disciplines that produce any significant number of doubters, many of whom end up on surveys by groups like the Hudson Institute, are petroleum geologists (no surprise there) and, for some strange reason, meteorologists. The likely reason for this is that meteorologists are not educated as climatologists, but study primarily very short-term phenomena.

In conclusion, the study found that the more a scientist knows about the field of climate science, the more likely he or she is to accept global warming and man's contribution to it.

The study published in Eos, Transactions, American Geophysical Union, concludes "the debate on the authenticity of global warming and the role played by human activity is largely nonexistent among those who understand the nuances and scientific basis of long-term climate processes."

The remaining challenge, they write, "is how to effectively communicate this to policy makers and to a public that continues to mistakenly perceive debate among scientists."

Well Corky figured it all out didn't he...
My whole problem with this is that the politicians are beating the drum not the scientists..
I will say that again if needed.......
And then there is this little FACT..
Dr. Jim Hansen of NASA first put out the idea that we were entering into a period of global cooling in the 1970's.
After this failed to get traction in the marketplace, he switched to global warming, and his idea took hold as people were buying into the idea. Since then, he has made millions off of this scam.
#139 | Posted by bashthis at 2009-07-28 02:39 PM

Here's a chunk from a New York Times article:
Climate Expert Says NASA Tried to Silence Him
..
In 2001, Dr. Hansen was invited twice to brief Vice President Dick Cheney and other cabinet members on climate change. White House officials were interested in his findings showing that cleaning up soot, which also warms the atmosphere, was an effective and far easier first step than curbing carbon dioxide.

He fell out of favor with the White House in 2004 after giving a speech at the University of Iowa before the presidential election, in which he complained that government climate scientists were being muzzled and said he planned to vote for Senator John Kerry.

But Dr. Hansen said that nothing in 30 years equaled the push made since early December to keep him from publicly discussing what he says are clear-cut dangers from further delay in curbing carbon dioxide.

In several interviews with The New York Times in recent days, Dr. Hansen said it would be irresponsible not to speak out, particularly because NASA's mission statement includes the phrase "to understand and protect our home planet."

He said he was particularly incensed that the directives had come through telephone conversations and not through formal channels, leaving no significant trails of documents.

Dr. Hansen's supervisor, Franco Einaudi, said there had been no official "order or pressure to say shut Jim up." But Dr. Einaudi added, "That doesn't mean I like this kind of pressure being applied."

The fresh efforts to quiet him, Dr. Hansen said, began in a series of calls after a lecture he gave on Dec. 6 at the annual meeting of the American Geophysical Union in San Francisco. In the talk, he said that significant emission cuts could be achieved with existing technologies, particularly in the case of motor vehicles, and that without leadership by the United States, climate change would eventually leave the earth "a different planet."

The administration's policy is to use voluntary measures to slow, but not reverse, the growth of emissions.

After that speech and the release of data by Dr. Hansen on Dec. 15 showing that 2005 was probably the warmest year in at least a century, officials at the headquarters of the space agency repeatedly phoned public affairs officers, who relayed the warning to Dr. Hansen that there would be "dire consequences" if such statements continued, those officers and Dr. Hansen said in interviews.

Among the restrictions, according to Dr. Hansen and an internal draft memorandum he provided to The Times, was that his supervisors could stand in for him in any news media interviews.

Mr. Acosta said the calls and meetings with Goddard press officers were not to introduce restrictions, but to review existing rules. He said Dr. Hansen had continued to speak frequently with the news media.

But Dr. Hansen and some of his colleagues said interviews were canceled as a result.

In one call, George Deutsch, a recently appointed public affairs officer at NASA headquarters, rejected a request from a producer at National Public Radio to interview Dr. Hansen, said Leslie McCarthy, a public affairs officer responsible for the Goddard Institute.

Citing handwritten notes taken during the conversation, Ms. McCarthy said Mr. Deutsch called N.P.R. "the most liberal" media outlet in the country. She said that in that call and others, Mr. Deutsch said his job was "to make the president look good" and that as a White House appointee that might be Mr. Deutsch's priority.

But she added: "I'm a career civil servant and Jim Hansen is a scientist. That's not our job. That's not our mission. The inference was that Hansen was disloyal."

Normally, Ms. McCarthy would not be free to describe such conversations to the news media, but she agreed to an interview after Mr. Acosta, at NASA headquarters, told The Times that she would not face any retribution for doing so.

Mr. Acosta, Mr. Deutsch's supervisor, said that when Mr. Deutsch was asked about the conversations, he flatly denied saying anything of the sort. Mr. Deutsch referred all interview requests to Mr. Acosta.

Ms. McCarthy, when told of the response, said: "Why am I going to go out of my way to make this up and back up Jim Hansen? I don't have a dog in this race. And what does Hansen have to gain?"
..

How do you explain that Dr. Hanson first proposed Global Cooling?

Hansen is a hack to the nth degree.

Jonny Socko says: "Redlightrobot LAUNCH!"

How do you explain that Dr. Hanson first proposed Global Cooling?
#144 | Posted by bashthis at 2009-07-28 03:26 PM

Can you site me the data for analysis? What do you think of Deutsch? If I remember correctly he was appointed by BushCo and appears to be extremely young, inarticulate and probably unqualified. This might be a serious coverup situation in the guise of a political battle.

Not sure what to think, but if global weather is being purposefully manipulated, that would also be a really good excuse to shut down controversial environmental data that might expose it.

Hansen is a hack to the nth degree.
Jonny Socko says: "Redlightrobot LAUNCH!"
#145 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-07-28 03:38 PM

You too - what about Deutsch? Is he "qualified" and justly appointed? Can you impress me with your analysis of Hansen, proving quackery?

"OK then Tom.... Why don't you post some links to all this trend data.....:"

How about the directly measured global temperature?

en.wikipedia.org

Notice anything different aout the RATE of warming during the last 130 years? And forget the bs about warming in the past unless you have evidence it occurred at 1 degree per century of faster. Trust me...there isn't any

"Then maybe you can explain why hundreds of the world's leading scientsts on the subject say Gores theory is crap...."

It seems that the neotards will just keep repeating this lie no matter how often it is debunked. Just like the birther bs.

The office of Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla), the ranking Republican on the Senate Committee on the Environment and Public Works, has aggressively advanced this argument, most recently releasing a report finding that nearly 700 scientists believed any efforts to stem climate change by changing human behavior were premature, because the science was still shaky at best.

The Center for Inquiry, a group advancing scientific study of human beliefs and culture, has taken up the question: What makes a qualified scientist?

They ought to have a degree, preferably a Ph.D. in a field related to the climate, and they ought to be publishing in peer-reviewed journals on topics related to climate. Of the 687 people Inhofe listed as credible dissenters, the Center for Inquiry found:

Fewer than 10 percent could be identified as climate scientists.
Just 15 percent published in the recognizable refereed literature on subjects related to climate science.

Approximately 4 percent appeared to favor the current IPCC-2007 consensus and should not have been on the list.

Read more: www.sfgate.com

Approximately 80 percent clearly had no refereed publication record on climate science at all.

Good enough for neotards.

"The only problem we have with this data is that the majority of qualified Scientists on this subject seem to disagree. They mostely seem the think that this is nature doing what it does."

Seem my previous posts. Only liars and the very naive continue to spout this baloney.

"And then there is this little FACT..
Dr. Jim Hansen of NASA first put out the idea that we were entering into a period of global cooling in the 1970's."

That is indeed a fact...one of the few you have contributed.

Hansen was asked about his global cooling predictions. His response

Theories of global cooling start from the late 1950's and continue into the early 1970's. Studies in the Milankovitch Effect (which allows some pre-historic prediction of ice ages on account of variations in the Earth's orbit and orbital inclination) put forth a theory that Earth would probably resume ice age conditions over the next few hundred years or so. Obviously, with anthropogenic emissions of carbon dioxide, this will never happen now - otherwise global cooling might still be a distant threat. Perhaps, this might be the only benefit of global warming...

I would also add that given the computers of the time (50's-70's) testing climate theories was next to impossible. Only in the last couple of decades has it been possible to accurate process the massive amounts of climate data

"Whether you believe in GW or not, it's absurd to think that Bush could hide evidence when there are thousands of people publicly reporting the data. LOL"

Thousands of people reporting ice cover in the Arctic? The claims get sillier and sillier.

More than 500 scientists have published evidence refuting the current man-made global warming scare, according to a new analysis of peer-reviewed literature by the Hudson Institute.

social.moldova.org

Who do you want to believe??? That is the question

#136 | Posted by bashthis

bashthis...bullshit spreader. Triple your vegetable production and get yours now.

"Who do you want to believe???"

Apparently Bashthis chooses the 'scientists' who have never published a scientific paper.

How about that cooling?

"Based on preliminary data, the globally averaged combined land and sea surface temperature was the second warmest on record for June and the January-June year-to-date tied with 2004 as the fifth warmest on record."

National Climatic Data Center
16 July 2009

This just in from our friends at Discovery:

A 400-year warm spell helped the ancient Inca to build the largest empire ever to exist in the Americas, a new study has established.

Beginning around 1100 A.D., the increase in temperature served as a "perfect incubator" for the Inca's expansion, an international team of researchers report in the current issue of the journal Climate of the Past.

"Climate warming does not always have to be a negative issue. Our research shows that it can favor societal development, " lead author Alex Chepstow-Lusty, a palaeoecologist from the French Institute for Andean Studies in Lima, Peru, told Discovery News.

2 salient points:

1. It aint all bad.

2. It happened before we had our carbon based fuel systems at least once.

"Beginning around 1100 A.D., the increase in temperature served as a "perfect incubator" for the Inca's expansion, an international team of researchers report in the current issue of the journal Climate of the Past."

#155 | Posted by boojiboy at 2009-07-28 05:47 PM | Reply | Flag: Can't tell the difference between the Andes and the whole fucking planet.

www.usgcrp.gov

There was a 100-year drought that closed down the Maya empire, too.

www.amazon.com

www.usgcrp.gov

The 'warming' period and the 'little ice age' are quite visible in that plot of delta-T.

Hey Zat.

Thats the fucking point you brainless statistic spewing diarrheatic worthless piece of carbon based life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IT WASN'T MAN MADE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IT ISN'T NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You saw some movie with some ex politic hack back in 2004/05 and it was like a religious experience for you and all of your eco-terrorist friends!!!!!

Oh boy!!!

Now we have a new messiah and a new message!!!!!!!!!!!

But you were duped and you can't let go of it now. So you go on with statistics like you were some Phd mathematician, but your fucked from the start because your premise is bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#157 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2009-07-28 06:00 PM | Reply | Flag:brainless statistic spewing diarrheatic worthless piece of carbon based life

#158 | Posted by boojiboy at 2009-07-28 06:22 PM | Reply | Flag: needs a new keyboard, ! key is sticking (and can't read a graph)

"like you were some Phd mathematician"

Actually I'm an astro-particle physicist.

" Research carried out at the Climatic Research Unit at the UK's University of East Anglia (UEA) demonstrates for the first time that anthropogenic climate change is responsible for warming at the Arctic and Antarctic.

Previous studies have observed rises in temperature at both poles, but none, until now, have formally attributed the cause to human activity.

Using up-to-date gridded data sets, scientists led by the UEA observed mean land surface temperatures in the Arctic over a 100 year period. For the Antarctic the observation period was shorter -- 50 years -- as there is no station data available before 1945.

They then applied an average simulated response using two models. The first examined natural forcings -- events like solar cycles and volcanic activity which can affect temperatures.

The second model simulated natural combined with anthropogenic forcings -- which included greenhouse gases, stratospheric ozone depletion and sulphate aerosol.

Scientists discovered that the observed changes in Arctic and Antarctic temperatures are not consistent with internal climate variability or natural climate drivers alone. "

www.cnn.com

"Global warming is 'irreversible'

Politicians must offset damage from man-made pollution, the report says

A team of environmental researchers in the US has warned many effects of climate change are irreversible.

The scientists concluded global temperatures could remain high for 1,000 years, even if carbon emissions can somehow be halted.

The report by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration in Colorado comes as President Obama announces a review of vehicle emission standards.

It appears in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences."

news.bbc.co.uk

"IT WASN'T MAN MADE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IT ISN'T NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:"

Apparently this bimbo thinks typing declarative sentences in capital letters constitutes an argument.

"Nature Reports Climate Change
Published online: 16 October 2008 | Corrected online: 21 November 2008 | doi:10.1038/climate.2008.111

Foreboding forecast

Olive Heffernan

Proc. Natl Acad. Sci. USA 105, 1525815262 (2008)
Foreboding forecast

Even the most stringent of published climate mitigation measures may not avert dangerous climate change, shows a new analysis. An increase in global average surface temperature of 2 C above pre-industrial values is generally considered to be the level of warming that could have serious impacts and, as such, is to be avoided."

www.nature.com

Happy extinction, stupid, you deserve it.

Tom,
Okay, now that I have your attention, explain to me your proof that what is going on is man made. Prove to me that I am wrong in my assessment based upon my review of geological history that warming cycles and cooling cycles are part of the natural cycles of this planet.

""Beginning around 1100 A.D., the increase in temperature served as a "perfect incubator" for the Inca's expnsion, an international team of researchers report in the current issue of the journal Climate of the Past."

Now booboy thinks Peru is the globe. Reminds me of Palin who thinks Africa is a country.

And Zat, you will be going extinct with me.

But maybe some great green ecological god is waiting for you to let you into a green heaven while a sinner like me is not.

As for me, I live in the North.

I knew it was going to get warm.

Take advantage of the geography, I figure that given its getting warmer naturally, the best thing to do is move to Northern latitudes.

Just the facts, m'am.

There is no governmental or international academy of scientists that endorse a dissenting opinion that globing warming is caused by a combination of greenhouse gasses, deforestation and human created agricultural practices. There is only 5 scientific associations that have stated no opinion yet and four of those are geologists associations. Even the the American Association of Petroleum Geologists recently changed their official opinion from a dissenting opinion to a neutral position as a result of threats of loosing too many respected members that did not agree with their published opinion. The one organization that is not a geologists association, American Association of State Climatologists, admitted that humans did effect the climate, but claim it was too complex an issue to make a stronger statement of support at this time.


en.wikipedia.org

Now, all I ask is one of you nay sayers show me one science academy that still supports the neo-con dogma.

Tom W: your little pea brain just cant seem to fathom the simple premise here, in 1100 it wasn't man made.

Say it real slowly Tommy, then maybe your little Palin sized brain can grasp it.

No combustion engines in 1100 AD

Get it?

oh wait say it again so little Tommy will understand

GET IT?

So maybe Tommy, just maybe, it is a natural cycle.

Slowly now Tommy, stop picturing Sarah Palin in a g-string, and say it with me . . .

a

natural

cycle

She does look pretty nice though Tommy, doesn't she?

Now mister Ringmaster, de forestation, there is an issue we can all agree upon.

What has sped up de forestation to levels unheard of in human history?

Why are old growth rain forests in Indonesia and Madagascar being decimated at incredible rates??? Whole populations of lemurs are currently threatened where just 10 short years ago they were doing fine.

BIOFUELS!!!!!!!!!!!

Yet another brilliant scam of you eco terrorist idiots.

But thanks to you bunch of idiots and your incessant dogma, my 400 acres of farmland in the Texas Panhandle is soon to be the nome of 26 windturbines who's lease will net my family upwards to $100k in leasehold payments off of the power they will produce.

Keep blowing that hot air boys!!!!!!!

I'm going fishing in Kenai Alaska where it is unusually warm this year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The zealot demands belief, while the scientist merely states fact and observation; along with predictions of future observations based on theory.

Only zealots collectivate in organizations to force and enforce their opinions onto the public who will have to pay through the nose for the benefit of that organization's opinion, whatever their 'theory.'

I like to notice that it is the petty tyrants of the Left who demand belief and compliance with their dictates, while they IGNORE all reasoning, evidence and observation which contradict their propaganda, disguised as dogma ...

"Tom,
Okay, now that I have your attention, explain to me your proof that what is going on is man made. "

Proof? There is no proof. This is science not mathematics. There are convincing arguments however...

a) The current warming RATE (a few degrees C/century) has never before been observed. It is THIRTY times larger than that associated with solar and orbital variations (which are thought to be associated ice ages).

b) the observed rate does coincide with simple greenhouse gas estimates using observed CO_2 changes over the past century however

c) the observed CO_2 changes coinicide with estimated changes due to industrial activity.

d) full blown computer climate models lead one to the same conclusion

Eugenicists had a pretty large following in science around the turn of the century.

Based upon our then recent understanding of evolution, we now felt we could influence its outcome.

Taken to its extremes, Hilter gassed a few million folks.

Take 'man made climate change' to its extremes, and obviously we need to exterminate a few billion bodies from planet earth.

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised in our lifetime if it comes down to it.

Stephen King could write a novel.

fuck the polar bears. Bush had prior knowledge of 9/11. Hang him & Darth for that instead.

"Now mister Ringmaster, de forestation, there is an issue we can all agree upon.

What has sped up de forestation to levels unheard of in human history?

Why are old growth rain forests in Indonesia and Madagascar being decimated at incredible rates??? Whole populations of lemurs are currently threatened where just 10 short years ago they were doing fine.

BIOFUELS!!!!!!!!!!!

Yet another brilliant scam of you eco terrorist idiots."

Wow. That's quite a rant. Next he'll be complaining abou the price of ripple

& Rummy.

this is like wrestling a pig in the mud.

bye suckers.

enjoy your extinction.

"Eugenicists had a pretty large following in science around the turn of the century."

Pretty large? More than the rest of society? I doubt booboy has a clue. He just makes shit up as he goes along...

Booj-
re: Based upon our then recent understanding of evolution, we now felt we could influence its outcome.

Taken to its extremes, Hilter gassed a few million folks.

Take 'man made climate change' to its extremes, and obviously we need to exterminate a few billion bodies from planet earth.

Take Christianity to its extremes, and you burn witches. Take eating fish to its extremes and you have scurvy.Take stupidity to its extremes, and you have Booj.

"Tom W: your little pea brain just cant seem to fathom the simple premise here, in 1100 it wasn't man made."

Booboy still hasn't figured out that Peru isn't the globe. He probably never will.

This is quite funny.

Libs still talking about Bush. Jobs, economy, debt at all time highs in their lives, and they still can't get off BUSH.

That is a mental disorder for sure.

When Debt hits 20 TRILLION, they will still be talking about Rumsfeld and Bush.

Their house is burning down, and illegal aliens are raping their wives, and they are talking about BUSH.

Mental disorder, certifiable.

Kuma-
re: "and illegal aliens are raping their wives"

Is that a big problem in your area?

"re: Based upon our then recent understanding of evolution, we now felt we could influence its outcome."

Recent? Wrong again moron. Selective breeding of domestic animals has been going on for thousands of years. Can't you get anything right?

"Libs still talking about Bush. Jobs, economy, debt at all time highs in their lives, and they still can't get off BUSH."

As I recall Bush was in power six months ago. Don't you think it would be more reasonable to criticise neotards who continue to whine Carter even though he left office nearly 30 years ago?

yea that's right... Attack you lib bitches... I showed you a site with HUNDREDS of picturs of Alaska in the 1960's with no ice...

We are not that stupid...in other words...We are not Republicans.

Where are the Glaciers? How about some before and after pics of the Glaciers. Some nice shot from the 1960's of Glacier Bay or Hubbard Glacier and some nice shots from now (2007-2009) will do.

Are you man enough to Bash That?

Hey Bashit let me get you started. Here I will show you my pics if your show me yours!

www.svalbard-images.com

www.svalbard-images.com

www.svalbard-images.com

"yea that's right... Attack you lib bitches... I showed you a site with HUNDREDS of picturs of Alaska in the 1960's with no ice..."

What in fact he showed were some pictures with no ice near the shore. The satellite photos in the article showed the same thing suggesting that it might be normal (possibly because of offshore winds moving the ice away from the coast) The point of the article however was that the photos also showed a complete DISSAPPEARENCE of OFFSHORE ice between July 2006 to July 2007. But who'd expect boobtard to bother read the article he is supposedly critiquing?

Kuma-
re: "and illegal aliens are raping their wives"

Is that a big problem in your area?
#184 | Posted by BetelG at 2009-07-28 07:26 PM

Are you kidding?! That's his specialty!

We're at 105, our high was 106 and record is 107 in both 1965 and 1981. Otherwise, we're definitely setting the new record for number of consecutive hot days - tomorrow and then Thursday are supposed to be worse yet.

If this is cyclical it's either gaining momentum or pollution is helping cook us alive. Oregonians are not designed for extended hot weather, particularly not myself. My skin does not tan very well and I sweat like a fountain - disgusting to my own touch, but my beard is getting great highlights!

I've been nauseous all day and didn't get any sleep until around 4:30 this morning - missing Washington Journal.

So, if there is any merit to Tom_W's 1960's photographs, it's that this current heat wave will apparently exceed any known prior.

Take eating fish to its extremes and you have scurvy. Take stupidity to its extremes, and you have Booj.

The guy who thinks eating too much fish causes scurvy is calling someone stupid. That's rich. LOL

#185 | Posted by Tom_W at 2009-07-28 07:28 PM | Reply | Flag: never got my point. and I'm not the least bit surprised.

Tom,
Okay, now that I have your attention, explain to me your proof that what is going on is man made. "

Proof? There is no proof. This is science not mathematics. There are convincing arguments however...

a) The current warming RATE (a few degrees C/century) has never before been observed. It is THIRTY times larger than that associated with solar and orbital variations (which are thought to be associated ice ages).

b) the observed rate does coincide with simple greenhouse gas estimates using observed CO_2 changes over the past century however

c) the observed CO_2 changes coinicide with estimated changes due to industrial activity.

d) full blown computer climate models lead one to the same conclusion

You see, Tom, there are no such things as convincing scientific arguments without proof....the basis of actual science is evidential proof....there are convincing religious arguments without proof...it's called...faith....

Computer models are no more scientific proof than computer games....self-fullfilling, electronic prophecies don't even qualify as experiments, let alone proof...of course, the predictions from them have been way off every time, and always high...in the real scientific world, this is cause fraud...with government science, though, its just called "consencus"..

What is a "full blown computer climate model"?

Cordially,

A Real Ph.D. (not just one on t.v.)

For what was your PhD awarded?

For what was your PhD awarded?

#196 | Posted by YAV at 2009-07-28 09:37 PM |

Probably about 40 to 60 k. No problem though. Debt relief is usually available to most parrots.

#191 | POSTED BY REDLIGHTROBOT AT 2009-07-28 08:08 PM | REPLY | FLAG:Pussy

"You see, Tom, there are no such things as convincing scientific arguments without proof."

Wrong. Proof involves logical deduction from premises or postulates which are themselves unproven. Since the underlying premises are part of a scientific theory, the theory itself remains unproven.

I don't expect you to be able to understand this however.

"What is a "full blown computer climate model"?

A numerical model based the laws of physics and chemistry e.g. hydrodynamics, thermodynamics, radiation, etc.

"Computer models are no more scientific proof than computer games."

Wrong again. The famous Four Color Theorem was proven using a computer.

"full blown computer climate model"

"A numerical model based the laws of physics and chemistry e.g. hydrodynamics, thermodynamics, radiation, etc. "

On the Influence of Carbonic Acid in the Air upon the Temperature of the Ground
Arrhenius, Svante, 1896.

wiki.nsdl.org

The Artificial Production of Carbon Dioxide and Its Influence on Temperature
Callendar, G.S., 1938.

wiki.nsdl.org

What sort of computer did they use, do you think?

I never finished the PhD in Physics, after taking all the courses (A in mathematical methods, among others.) industry offered me so much money I had to say aloha.

I've been poor.
I've been rich.
Rich is better.

I wonder if boobyboy can work his way through this link from the University of California...

If scientific theories keep changing, where is the Truth?

phyun5.ucr.edu

Somehow I doubt it.

Hey Tom.

I had a buddy who worked at Watson.

His office was next to Mandelbrot's.

My bud's office door was covered with political cartoons.

Benoit's? One picture.

Gauss.

www.sil.si.edu

That was cool.

Gauss was pretty cool. I guess Mandelbrot kept it down to one picture because he thought he was number two. Personally I'm partial to Cantor...whose also kind of a fractal guy.

"What sort of computer did they use, do you think?"

None. They proposed the mechanism and did a rough calculation - a computer is needed for a more accurate caculation.

I've been poor.
I've been rich.
Rich is better.

Not so sure. Have you read the biography of Paul Erdos?

dannyreviews.com

"They proposed the mechanism"

Posted by Tom_W at 2009-07-28 11:59 PM

Let's try again.

"In 1859 John Tyndall, intrigued by the recently discovered ice ages, took to studying how gases may block heat radiation. Since the work of Joseph Fourier in the 1820s, scientists had understood that the atmosphere might hold in the Earth's heat. The conventional view nevertheless was that gases were entirely transparent. Tyndall tried that out in his laboratory and confirmed it for the main atmospheric gases, oxygen and nitrogen, as well as hydrogen. He was ready to quit when he thought to try another gas that happened to be right at hand in his laboratory: coal-gas. This was a fuel used for lighting (and Bunsen burners), produced industrially by heating coal. It consisted of carbon monoxide (CO) mixed with a bit of the hydrocarbon methane (CH4) and more complex gases. Tyndall found that for heat rays, the gas was as opaque as a plank of wood. Thus the industrial revolution, intruding into Tyndall's laboratory in the form of a gas-jet, declared its significance for the planet's heat balance.


Full discussion in
www.aip.org

"Have you read the biography of Paul Erdos? "

No.
Have you read The Count of Monte Cristo?

Right now I'm reading a memoir of The Bataan Death March from a survivor.

Tears In The Darkness

Tyndall's discovery was obviously an important precursor for the discovery of the greenhouse effect but if your are implying he discovered it you are wrong. The greenhouse effect depends on different absorptivity at different wavelengths which Tyndall never considered

Run along and argue with the other idiots, Tom.

Tyndall just measured the absorption spectra of some gasses.

"Tyndall just measured the absorption spectra of some gasses."

I thought you posted it for a reason. My mistake.

What a cluster fuck. Well at least all the guys name's that start with a B got shot down. YEA!

If something, external to Mars, is causing the warming, would it be REASONABLE to believe that this same external source might be causing the changes on this planet?

Now, what could be large enough, and produce enough energy to heat an entire planet... hmmm.... that's a tough question... at least for libs.

Well, I am sure glad that it isn't my SUV! Whew. Hate to think I was destroying 2 planets every time I drive to work.

As for ways to "prevent" man-made global warming [if you buy that man is responsible]...

1) NUKE them all.... the resulting nuclear winter should fix things nicely...

2) Turn out the sun...

3) Pray [i know, most lefties don't believe in GOD, it was a trick... just to piss them off]

www.vancouversun.com - The church of climate change and false gods?

"and that atmospheric carbon dioxide is only 0.001 per cent of the total amount of the chemical held in the oceans, surface rocks, soils and various life forms."

Which proves only that Plimmer is a scientific illiterate. The amount of solar energy absorbed by the atmosphere is measured regularly by comparing measurement of solar energy incident the Earth's atmosphere to that reaching the ground. The observed absorption, which depends on latitude since the length of the path through the atmosphere depends on latitude, turns out to agree in every respect with that predicted by well-established laws of physics.

It is interesting that many who found Plimmer's anti-creationist screed inconsistent worthless are willing to take his word for it when it comes to Climate Denialism. But that's the nature of the anti-scientfici creationist-denialist crowd....consistency isn't really their thing.

petesplace-peter.blogspot.com

The measurements of solar irradience also indicate that the absorption over urban areas is significantly higher than that over rural ares (2 to 3 times) due to fossil fuel emmisions.

Tom W,

I repeat, computer models are not proof of anything except the bias of the programmer....if, for example, you need CO2 forcing to be true to get paid, then you put that in the formula and weight it so that, by irrefutable calculation, the current levels of CO2 will cause a frightful temperature hike....then, you cook up other formulas that project CO2 levels rising catastrophically, and presto! man-made disaster....of course, when the real temperature and CO2 data comes in and they're very different than yours, which is, of course, empirical proof that your non-theory is wrong.....but, this is government work, so you simply state that "consencus has been reached" and hope that the poorly-educated public school minions continue to drink the cool-aid....

You want to argue consensus? Academic studies of the literature and the remarks from almost every professional science association (excluding geology) clearly fall on the side of anthopogenic Global Warming - a list of a few papers claimed to be skeptical won't change that.

If your have a scientific argument based on those papers...I'd like to hear it (although I am about to leave for a few hours)

"I repeat, computer models are not proof of anything except the bias of the programmer.."

As I said earlier - no scientific theory is ever proved. The fact that you ignore my argument and the link from the University of California on the subject merely proves there is no way to get through to you. You are basically unteachable.

"basically unteachable"

Not to worry, Tom. He'll be extinct soon.

"MASS EXTINCTION UNDERWAY

The World Wide Web's Most Comprehensive Source
of Information on the Current Mass Extinction"

www.well.com

"if, for example, you need CO2 forcing to be true to get paid, then you put that in the formula and weight it so that, by irrefutable calculation, "

Right. According to this neanderthal knuckledragger all science is about bamboozling for profit.

The Sixth Extinction
by Richard Leakey and Roger Lewin (Doubleday, 1995)


Our planet has been shaken by five major extinctions in the four billion year history of life. The first, 450 million years ago, occurred shortly after the evolution of the first land-based plants and 100 million years after the Cambrian Explosion of animal life beneath the seas.

The second extinction spasm came 350 million years ago, causing the formation of coal forests. Then the Earth experienced two mass extinctions during the Triassic period, between 250 and 200 million years ago. The fifth mass extinction, probably caused by a giant meteor collision, occurred 65 million years ago, at the end of the Cretaceous period, and ended the reptilian dominance of the Earth. This led to the current mammalian domination of the Earth.

So what is the Sixth Extinction? When is it coming? And what is its cause? "It's the next annihilation of vast numbers of species. It is happening now, and we, the human race, are its cause," explains Dr. Richard Leakey, the world's most famous paleoanthropologist. Every year, between 17,000 and 100,000 species vanish from our planet, he says. "For the sake of argument, let's assume the number is 50,000 a year. Whatever way you look at it, we're destroying the Earth at a rate comparable with the impact of a giant asteroid slamming into the planet, or even a shower of vast heavenly bodies." The statistics he has assembled are staggering. Fifty per cent of the Earth's species will have vanished inside the next 100 years; mankind is using almost half the energy available to sustain life on the planet, and this figure will only grow as our population leaps from 5.7 billion to ten billion inside the next half-century. Such a dramatic and overwhelming mass extinction threatens the entire complex fabric of life on Earth, including the species responsible for it: Homo sapiens.

www.well.com

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Tom W,

Not at all. Global warming science, however, is a scam and a power grab, not science....

No theories aren't proved, but they are, and must be, disprovable....this one has been thoroughly disproven by the data as compared to model projections, which if this were real science, would cause an abandonment of the theory....in this case, abandoning the theory means unemployment, and they're not interested in that....if you do science in a private context, you'd be out of business, because you coudn't fund bad science for long, as it doesn't pay....government science, however, lives as long as the grant money does...in this case, that only requires scaring scientifically illiterate politicians and public-school graduates.....they're starting to struggle at this now, but it's been a good ride....

Zat,

So, if a giant asteroid had hit 40 years ago when Leakey started screaming (isn't he the population bomb guy? if not, sorry), wouldn't we all be gone now, along with our plant and animal brothers? It seems population growth is slowing substantially and doomed to flatten....still, it was an entertaining horror story....ahhh, the drama from linear extrapolations.....

"No theories aren't proved, but they are, and must be, disprovable."

A very different thing and not an issue. Global warming is falsifiable. A global temperature of -100 C would about do it.

".this one has been thoroughly disproven by the data as compared to model projections, "

False and a very arrogant claim from someone who clearly hasn't passed a freshman science course.

A global temperature of -100 C would about do it.
#229 | POSTED BY TOM_W
----

Wrong again. If the climate doesn't fit the talking points, then you just start calling it Global Climate Change. Problem solved.

"Wrong again. If the climate doesn't fit the talking points, then you just start calling it Global Climate Change. Problem solved.""

In case you didn't know we were talking about Global Warming. Like most denialists your main survival technique is to keep changing the subject...

I'm done with you.

I just watched a special on History last night about methane gas and the possibility of it leading to disaster of global proportions. That's not the point though. In it, they explained how much more methane exists in our atmosphere than does CO2. I found myself thinking, History has shown countless episodes of man made global warming due to CO2 and here they are saying methane is a bigger threat. Unbelievable.

#28 - It is interesting that many who found Plimmer's anti-creationist screed inconsistent worthless are willing to take his word for it when it comes to Climate Denialism. But that's the nature of the anti-scientfici creationist-denialist crowd....consistency isn't really their thing.

It's called "self-serving bias" and it's all around us. No one wants their team to loose, right? I am not claiming to align my beliefs w/ his in any way.

Considering the article offers little in the way of argument, rather notes the opinions of an anti-climate change advocate who is also an anti-creationist, yet compares those who believe in climate change to religious groups It appears this is just further attempting to blur the divisional lines set by "right"/"left" sided platforms; that perhaps "religion is just as loony as climate change" (or visa-versa depending); and/or maybe reassuring the public to not loose faith in other sciences (like theoretical Darwinism) just because global warming junk-science is being used for political gain. Regardless of my thoughts here, it (#217 link)caught me as being a bizarre article indeed.

The release of methane gas as a result of the thawing of the permafrost has always been in the equation. It is the one of main reasons why scientist predict an acceleration of the warming trend. The other positive feedback issue is the loss of reflective ice in the areas where the ice is now rapidly melting, causing the water to absorb more sunlight, warming it even more. That is why the predictions of future rises in temperature are going up, not down, and the resulting urgency is becoming more obvious every year.

If you study the dynamics of climate change, it is quite believable.

NONE OF THIS IS ABOUT SCIENCE DICKWEEDS!

#234

Okay, so we know ice melted before long ago... how did it come back? Could it be the Earth self-regulates its temperature? Everything from animals to fire, to black holes "breathe". Couldn't this just as easily be something natural the planet must do in order to sustain itself?

The release of methane gas as a result of the thawing of the permafrost has always been in the equation. It is the one of main reasons why scientist predict an acceleration of the warming trend. The other positive feedback issue is the loss of reflective ice in the areas where the ice is now rapidly melting, causing the water to absorb more sunlight, warming it even more. That is why the predictions of future rises in temperature are going up, not down, and the resulting urgency is becoming more obvious every year.

If you study the dynamics of climate change, it is quite believable.

#234 | Posted by RingMaster

I understand. I just found it ironic how they play up CO2 man made GW on History and then show how methane is more prevalent but don't mention it's affects on GW.

The only difference between the scientists and politicians is the politicians know they are lying.

Zarathustra,

Sorry, but you're an idiot if you are going to take only what half the experts in the world as truth and ignore the other half. And then allow the idiots you elected to come in a fuck our economy in an effort to correct it.

The real truth is that the people behind the Global Warming fraud are MAKING MONEY from it!

What else do these new world religionists have but to bring up Bush...especially since all the thermometers around the world are going south, poo pooing their precious religion.

Tom W,

So, i haven't passed a freshman science course...would that be ANOTHER one of your "scientific" claims? Here's a hint: the people with the evidence on their side don't need to obfuscate and insult.....

So, i haven't passed a freshman science course...would that be ANOTHER one of your "scientific" claims? Here's a hint: the people with the evidence on their side don't need to obfuscate and insult.....

Posted by jonryker

that goes for both of U!

soup nazi:>)

Don't you think it would be more reasonable to criticise neotards who continue to whine Carter even though he left office nearly 30 years ago?

#186 | Posted by Tom_W

Carter is usually only brought up when someone blames Reagan for our economic situation. At least lately. And, of course, it's usually Danni who does this. But we don't bring up Carter for no reason usually. It is mostly brought on by a comment made by a dem first. We just don't start in on Carter out of the blue.

a list of a few papers claimed to be skeptical won't change that.-Tom W

Actually, Tom, a recent article came out saying that the number of scientists who are now man made GW skeptics has risen considerably. They're the ones with the balls to tell the truth even if it means losing those grants.

They're the ones with the balls to tell the truth even if it means losing those grants.

Posted by everlong

you mean lose their tenure, too?

When's the last time you heard of a professor losing their tenure?

Texas Southern Moves to Revoke Tenure of Ex-President

Texas Southern University has begun the process of stripping its former president of tenure after widespread complaints that it was inappropriate and disruptive for the ex-president, Priscilla D. Slade, to teach accounting classes when she was under felony indictment for spending university money for personal gain.

chronicle.com

"
Actually, Tom, a recent article came out saying that the number of scientists who are now man made GW skeptics has risen considerably."

The famous 700? I've heard all about them...

"The Center for Inquiry, a group advancing scientific study of human beliefs and culture, has taken up the question: What makes a qualified scientist?

They ought to have a degree, preferably a Ph.D. in a field related to the climate, and they ought to be publishing in peer-reviewed journals on topics related to climate. Of the 687 people Inhofe listed as credible dissenters, the Center for Inquiry found:

Fewer than 10 percent could be identified as climate scientists.
Just 15 percent published in the recognizable refereed literature on subjects related to climate science.
Approximately 80 percent clearly had no refereed publication record on climate science at all.
Approximately 4 percent appeared to favor the current IPCC-2007 consensus and should not have been on the list.

Read more: www.sfgate.com

Don't you think it would be more reasonable to criticise neotards who continue to whine Carter even though he left office nearly 30 years ago?

#186 | Posted by Tom_W


Blame game shows no sign of slowing... www.washingtontimes.com

Evershort ~ My Marxist Poly Science Professor at Montana State U was denied tenure forever but then he gave me 'A's in his classes...& he gave everyone else 'A's & got tenure not long afterwards.

Is Obama taking clues here for GW, healthcare & stimulus lies?

who knows?...but I'm looking fwd to my bonus check from Goldman Sachs on the carbon taxes profits that are surely coming from the NWO gang:>)

Tommyboy: Read your little thesis. Seems to point to the distinct possibility that current scientific theory might just have holes in it.

Thesis? What thesis? More incoherent drivel from boobyboy.

The only difference between the scientists and politicians is the politicians know they are lying.

The difference between a scientist and a politician is the scientist doesn't have to lie. They can speak with knowledge and education. Scientist analyze data and create facts.

Politicians fabricate statistics and obscure facts.

The difference between a scientist and a politician is the scientist doesn't have to lie. They can speak with knowledge and education. Scientist analyze data and create facts.

then how come they disagree at times? Could it be that they have to apply discretion when drawing conclusions?

The difference between a scientist and a politician is the scientist doesn't have to lie.

Are you implying they lie for kicks then?

Scientist always tell the truth.

Politicians always tell lies.

Banks always make money.

Corporations have more rights than people.

Gobal Warming is coming.

The next Ice Age is coming, too...number 4 is coming out next year?

Ringmaster,

Do you know any scientists....see, I do. I work with them.....they're like everybody else...some lie, some don't.....they like money like everyone else.....

How about this headline instead: Evidence that Global Warming is a Crock that advocates have tried to hide.

www.canada.com

Volcanoes exploding under water at North Pole
The Arctic seabed is as explosive geologically as it is politically judging by the "fountains" of gas and molten lava that have been blasting out of underwater volcanoes near the North Pole.

By The Leader-Post (Regina)June 26, 2008
The Arctic seabed is as explosive geologically as it is politically judging by the "fountains" of gas and molten lava that have been blasting out of underwater volcanoes near the North Pole.

"Explosive volatile discharge has clearly been a widespread, and ongoing, process," according to an international team that sent unmanned probes to the strange fiery world beneath the Arctic ice"

Could it be that massive amounts of magama boiling the ocean at 1292F to 2372F might be the reason the polar ice cap is shrinking a little? Na..

or how about.

Satellite Readings in our Upper Atmosphere show no change in temperature over the last 23 years.

It's fucking one hundred and fucking five in Oregon right now, and yesterday set a record high temp.

That is proof that Global Warming is Upon Us! Moo ha ha ha!

Fact!

I wonder if boobyboy can work his way through this link from the University of California...

If scientific theories keep changing, where is the Truth?

phyun5.ucr.edu

Somehow I doubt it.

Posted by Tom_W at 2009-07-28 11:47 PM | Reply: This one fuck face.

"It's fucking one hundred and fucking five in Oregon right now, and yesterday set a record high temp."

It sucks!

"The Incredible Heat Wave of 2009
July 28, 2009 - 5:23 pm

The hottest July in Austin history, and the hottest since 1860, saw another near record hot afternoon Tuesday, as the high climbed to 104 degrees, a single degree below the 1923 record.

This heat wave continues to be Austin's worst in recorded history, with 17 record highs tied or broken since June 1st, and 41 days with afternoon temperatures reaching 100 degrees or hotter, many days at or near 105 degrees. "

blogs.kxan.com

No hay crop this year and the damned coons ate all my pears.

I saw it was supposed to be a reasonable 80 degrees in LA. I can't believe it's as hot here as it is in Arizona right now. Well, at least we have water.

"I saw it was supposed to be a reasonable 80 degrees in LA. "

Could be. I'm in Eugene at the moment.

It's gettin' chilly outside here in Hopkins, Minnesota...might need to put on some long pants & a sweatshirt.

G-d got a bead on you GW truthers!

damned coons ate all my pears.

You should see what they're doing to the national treasury.

What are you doing in the People's Republic of Eugene, Nulli?

"What are you doing in the People's Republic of Eugene, Nulli?"

Escaping the heat of southern california...hahahaha.

I hope you didn't miss the three naked chicks taking a shower at the corner of Willamette and Broadway over the noon hour, Nulli. They were protesting eating meat (they were with PETA, I think). Two of them were smokin' hot, and I don't know anyone who would kick the third one out of bed.

#266 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao at 2009-07-29 05:46 PM | Reply | Flag: took the bait and ran with it

To make matters worse the folks at Camp Swift set the woods on fire and took half the water from my stock tank with their helicopters and water buckets.

Camp Swift fire still burning
KXAN NBC 36 Austin
Jul. 12, 2009. 06:05 PM EST

www.clipsyndicate.com

It was 100 yards from my place.

Head down to the Willamette River, or up to the McKenzie River - both are plenty cold and refreshing. If you see anyone reeling in a nice rainbow on fly gear, it was me.

#266 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao

OIC wot u did there.

Obama is black and "coon" is a derogatory black slang term fer black folk.

Dang, when is Rcade gonna install a "racist" flag up in this joint?

I'm in Eugene at the moment.

~Nulli

It's 87 degrees here is Vancity at the moment and even hotter in the valley.

Thank the FSM fer A/C.

Be Well.

fly a kite, jak!

"I hope you didn't miss the three naked chicks taking a shower at the corner of Willamette and Broadway over the noon hour, Nulli."

Damn, that's only about 10 blocks away. Let me know if you hear of any encore performances.

"It's 87 degrees here is Vancity"

Last time I was there it hit 80 and folks were complaining about the "heat wave."

Good part was all the women out in the park, wearing as little as possible, spread out on blankets, soakin' up the rays.

...three naked chicks taking a shower at the corner of Willamette and Broadway

Whaaa?

Protesting beating meat?

Well, that's gonna end up being kinda counter-productive if ya ask Spud.

Sorry, wot's that?

"Eating meat"?

Ahhh, that makes more sense, which is to say "some".

^_^

Be Well.

"The only difference between the scientists and politicians is the politicians know they are lying."

Statistics spewing? It is my experience that when given the choice 9 out of 10 knuckledraggers like the booob choose speaking in tongues over facts.

"Tommyboy: Read your little thesis. Seems to point to the distinct possibility that current scientific theory might just have holes in it."

Of course and that is the case for EVERY scientific theory. Only loin-cloth wearing primitives like you believe in absolute truth.

"Damn, that's only about 10 blocks away.

#274 | Posted by nullifidian"

And only about 4 from mine. (Fuck! You're not with 5roper are you, or AU?)

"nd only about 4 from mine. (Fuck! You're not with 5roper are you, or AU?)"

Why? Do you need a ride in my van?

Is creepy 5roper in the back with a laptop, clicking on my handle and tracing my posts to see if he can track me down?

"Do you know any scientists....see, I do. I work with them.....they're like everybody else...some lie, some don't.....they like money like everyone else....."

Are you saying 99% of then are lying about the cause of global warming?

You obviously do not work with any quality men of science.

I'll say this, 99% of the people on the internet who claim to be a scientist are lying. This is after all an anonymous forum. Only liars and punks will make statements that can't be verified.

"I work with them."

Janitor at Texas Instruments?

now that it's declassified, Al Gore can take his own blood vials with him to the polar icecaps as proof positive in his next propaganda movie. Make sure it is summer though, Al.

academic.emporia.edu

Check this out for a little perspective on our ever changing climate. Grow warmer, grow colder, ever fluctuating - with or without our 'input'.

#285 | Posted by MSgt at 2009-07-29 07:56 PM | Reply | Flag: MSgt won't be elected to the National Academy of Sciences.

Happy extinction, stupid, you deserve it.

Guess some cannot accept anything that 'upsets' their worldview.

www.vancouversun.com

Tommyboy. Here is a knuckledragger who also thinks your full of shit.

Zat:

Can't you come up with something besides 'happy extinction????

Or are you living in some special bunker design to ride out the mass extinction?????????

#288 | Posted by boojiboy at 2009-07-29 08:03 PM | Reply | Flag: Won't be elected to the NAS either.

Fifteen recent publications from the National Academies about the science and policy implications of global warming and climate change.
www.nap.edu

"in some special bunker"

Yup, and you're on the outside, loser.

Here I'm going to play cut and paste like Zitboy:

Ian Plimer has outraged the ayatollahs of purist environmentalism, the Torquemadas of the doctrine of global warming, and he seems to relish the damnation they heap on him.

Plimer is a geologist, professor of mining geology at Adelaide University, and he may well be Australia's best-known and most notorious academic.

Plimer, you see, is an unremitting critic of "anthropogenic global warming" -- man-made climate change to you and me -- and the current environmental orthodoxy that if we change our polluting ways, global warming can be reversed.

It is, of course, not new to have a highly qualified scientist saying that global warming is an entirely natural phenomenon with many precedents in history. Many have made the argument, too, that it is rubbish to contend human behaviour is causing the current climate change. And it has often been well argued that it is totally ridiculous to suppose that changes in human behaviour -- cleaning up our act through expensive slight-of-hand taxation tricks -- can reverse the trend.

But most of these scientific and academic voices have fallen silent in the face of environmental Jacobinism. Purging humankind of its supposed sins of environmental degradation has become a religion with a fanatical and often intolerant priesthood, especially among the First World urban elites.

Cut and paste number 2 for cut and paste mass extinction zit boy:

But Plimer shows no sign of giving way to this orthodoxy and has just published the latest of his six books and 60 academic papers on the subject of global warming. This book, Heaven and Earth -- Global Warming: The Missing Science, draws together much of his previous work. It springs especially from A Short History of Plant Earth, which was based on a decade of radio broadcasts in Australia.

That book, published in 2001, was a best-seller and won several prizes. But Plimer found it hard to find anyone willing to publish this latest book, so intimidating has the environmental lobby become.

But he did eventually find a small publishing house willing to take the gamble and the book has already sold about 30,000 copies in Australia. It seems also to be doing well in Britain and the United States in the first days of publication.

Plimer presents the proposition that anthropogenic global warming is little more than a con trick on the public perpetrated by fundamentalist environmentalists and callously adopted by politicians and government officials who love nothing more than an issue that causes public anxiety.

While environmentalists for the most part draw their conclusions based on climate information gathered in the last few hundred years, geologists, Plimer says, have a time frame stretching back many thousands of millions of years.

The dynamic and changing character of the Earth's climate has always been known by geologists. These changes are cyclical and random, he says. They are not caused or significantly affected by human behaviour.

Cut and paste number 3 for cut and paste astro mass extinction zit boy:

Polar ice, for example, has been present on the Earth for less than 20 per cent of geological time, Plimer writes. Plus, animal extinctions are an entirely normal part of the Earth's evolution.

(Plimer, by the way, is also a vehement anti-creationist and has been hauled into court for disrupting meetings by religious leaders and evangelists who claim the Bible is literal truth.)

Plimer gets especially upset about carbon dioxide, its role in Earth's daily life and the supposed effects on climate of human manufacture of the gas. He says atmospheric carbon dioxide is now at the lowest levels it has been for 500 million years, and that atmospheric carbon dioxide is only 0.001 per cent of the total amount of the chemical held in the oceans, surface rocks, soils and various life forms. Indeed, Plimer says carbon dioxide is not a pollutant, but a plant food. Plants eat carbon dioxide and excrete oxygen. Human activity, he says, contributes only the tiniest fraction to even the atmospheric presence of carbon dioxide.

There is no problem with global warming, Plimer says repeatedly. He points out that for humans periods of global warming have been times of abundance when civilization made leaps forward. Ice ages, in contrast, have been times when human development slowed or even declined.

So global warming, says Plimer, is something humans should welcome and embrace as a harbinger of good times to come.

Zit Boy and TommyW are buttfucking in their special global warming bunker and won't be back for awhile . . .

Fifteen recent publications from the National Academies about the science and policy implications of global warming and climate change.
www.nap.edu

Zitboy: That was like going to the church of jesuschristlatterdaysaints website of manuals and talking points for the masses. You do realize that you are just a member of some new religion don't you?

#295 | Posted by boojiboy at 2009-07-29 08:18 PM | Reply | Flag: pitiful, but whining won't get it in

Warming 'opens Northwest Passage'
Satellite photo of ice cover over Arctic poll - 2007 (Source: European Space Agency)
The most direct shipping route from Europe to Asia is fully clear of ice for the first time since records began, the European Space Agency (Esa) says.

news.bbc.co.uk

Human Activity Driving Earth's "Sixth Great Extinction Event"

(4 hours ago)

"The "great extinction event" is on par with those caused by asteroid strikes or massive lava floods, says the report, but it is unrelenting human expansion and overreach, not giant boulders from the sky or a surging tide of fire, that is at the center of the current mass extinction."

ecoworldly.com

See ya around, stupid.

So seriously Zat, were back to genocide.

The difference with the current extinction and the previous ones is that there is one life form that is significantly flourishing at the expense of all other life-us.

And truthfully, while you all hang your hat on global warming like some religion, the truth of the matter is deforestation and the civilizing of the last remaining wild places are the real issue.

Biodiversity is what is lost.

And while it would be great if everyone just shut down their internal combustion engines, that would just not be practical now would it?? Nor would it accomplish anything as you still have the fast multiplying 6 billion plus humans running around and mucking everything up.

Nope, I'm with you zitface.

Time for the genocide.

Maybe you can start things by taking a rifle up to the belltower . . . .

"Maybe you can start things by taking a rifle up to the belltower . . . ."

I'm with the civilian who took a shotgun.

Fact is there will come a distilling event and the stupid won't do well.

Fortunately it doesn't matter.

I've 'died' a couple of times as have some of my acquaintances, we didn't see shit until the lights came on again.

"I've 'died' a couple of times as have some of my acquaintances, we didn't see shit until the lights came on again."

How many mics did you do?

"How many mics did you do?"

Posted by nullifidian

Zero.

I passed out on the steps of kerbeylanecafe.com

Unfortunately for all of us I have a feeling that brains won't be a controlling factor in who lives or who dies in the 'distilling'-wow what a great replacement word for 'cleansing' .

It will be an uber religion that drives it.

And whether that religion is judeo/christian, islamic or some new 'green' form that the likes of you subscribe to remains to be seen.

It was a recent event that engendered all sorts of heart imaging tricks.

I'm in great shape, having outlived all my childhood friends who mattered.

Ringmaster,

My thermodynamic and climatological historical assertions are perfectly verifiable, provided you have at least a decent 8th grade education....

As far as 99% lying, I'd say that 99% of government welfare climatologists are irretrievably stupid, lying, or both. Then again, they are just government workers.....

#303 | Posted by boojiboy at 2009-07-29 09:02 PM | Reply | Flag: ff

Rogers, Will you please create a 'so pathetically stupid it's funny' flag?

#305 | Posted by jonryker at 2009-07-29 09:04 PM | Reply | Flag: Won't do well in the next few years.

Happy extinction, stupid.

You deserve it.

Fuck,

he said it again.

Zat:

Can't you come up with something besides 'happy extinction????

'Can't you come up with something besides 'happy extinction????'

#308 | Posted by shit-for-brains at 2009-07-29 09:14 PM

No problem.

My DNA will survive, your DNA won't.

"an't you come up with something besides 'happy extinction????"

Happy death forever, loser.
You're tomorrow's fertilizer.

How's that?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

"Tommyboy. Here is a knuckledragger who also thinks your full of shit."

Wow...a geologist that doesn't believe in anthropogenic global warming. About as rare as the itches on boobboy's ass.

'your(sic) full of shit'

Gotta love those self-retorting retorts.

Happy extinction morons!
You deserve it one and all.

Earth experiencing sixth great mass extinction; this one may be caused by humans

www.examiner.com

"may be caused by humans"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHaaaaaaaa

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