I say screw the repubs. They don't care about the average American.

and 52 blue dog democrats - it won't be republican's fault if it doesn't pass - it will be those who realize they've been duped up to this point.

so says Nanc who gets free health care. Why do Indians get healthcare and not blacks?

I think they should work through the summer like the rest of us.

I think they should work through the summer like the rest of us.

Definitely needs to be more thought-out, and finalized. Count on the democrats to screw it up some way or other.

Why do Indians get healthcare and not blacks?

Indians occasionally work between binges.

You could always call your senator and demand some action.

Or you just tell Snu_Snu to stick his racist views somewhere.

I love how the dems are already positioning themselves to blame republicans WHEN their bill dies the horrible death it deserves.

I personally think that if this obamination fails, the republicans and those few democrats with an ounce of sense may be the only people in washington to deserve to be reelected.

Personally, I would never vote for anyone leftist enough to support the takeover and destruction of the american health care system.

Good point 1Lib. I also would never support that type of Leftie. Which is why I so fully support President Obama. He is in the process of reinvigorating our entire American Health Care system so as to provide care to the tens of millions of Americans who are currently uninsured in our uber-capitalistic medical provision matrix.

just because i GET it doesn't mean i USE it!

#9 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-07-26 10:24 PM | Reply | Flag: lips in permanent shape of a butt

#3 | Posted by rasta - perhaps if we ship them back from whence they came?

Another racist comment from Nanc how surprising....... Either everybody gets healthcare or nobody should including your people.

"just because i GET it doesn't mean i USE it!

#10 | Posted by nanc"

Well then by all means git rid of it then.

Whatever health insurance bill is passed in Congress MUST apply to members of Congress and other federal employees.
No Exceptions.

If it isn't good enough for them, it isn't good enough for us.

Republicans said the longer the delay, the more the public understands the stakes of a policy that has vexed lawmakers for decades.

No, the longer the delay the more money is put into the republican pockets from the insurance companies, it is as simple as that.

I think the real issue.. is that the Dems don't want to be saddled with this, anymore than they like being saddled with the infamous stimulus bill.

They need repubs for cover.. and wisely, the repubs aren't giving it to them.

I call B.S. The Dems have sufficient "majorities" in both houses. Repubs are just a waste of salary, as far as they are concerned.

It's always encouraging when the reason given for passing a new massive spending program is "we have to do something.."

I'm afraid the lefties have reached their Waterloo....as for the Fuhrer, we'll see.

And what about that racist comment about "Gold plated Cadillacs?" Nobody is calling Obama out about that line....

It's always encouraging when the reason given for passing a new massive spending program is "we have to do something.."
#19 | POSTED BY JONRYKER

It's the same excuse they use for massive tax increases for global warming that do nothing for the environment, yet cost us billions... "well we have to do something..."

Even if it's the wrong thing, they love doing "something." It's because they think with their emotions instead of their brains.

I agree that this should be debated more before being voted on. The original deadline Obama put on this isn't realistic.

The problem: I haven't seen anything near a debate except between the Dems. Rebublicans, what are your alternatives? What are the specifics on why you don't like the bill? All I have seen from the right talking heads is that the bill will "bankrupt America" or "destroy healthcare". Such generalizations aren't meant for progress.

Comments like the one I've pasted below are the

"Personally, I would never vote for anyone leftist enough to support the takeover and destruction of the american health care system."

What are the specifics on why you don't like the bill?

How about the republican provision requiring Congress and all Fed employees lose their current coverage and sign up for the plan dems are shoving down our throats?

Or a provision in the bill that states American citizens only? As it stands anyone can join this legal or not.

We have the best hospitals and doctors in the world. What needs to be fixed is where all the money we spend on healthcare goes.

What does it cost for malpractice insurance?

What does it cost for all the "cover my ass" tests preformed to get around all the lawsuits?

What does it cost to give primary healthcare in the emergency room to people who for many reasons don't pay for that care.

How much is a human life worth in a lawsuit and how much should some bottom feeding lawyer get for bringing that suit?

*Surprised Look* You mean the democrats have the majority yet they need Republicans? Hmmm I seem to remember that the Democrats refused to let Republicans add to the stimulus bill and now they NEED our support for a bad bill. Reminds me of an old saying, "Be careful which asses you kick today, you may have to kiss it and make it better tomorrow."

Let's go back to Bush 2's first term. The liberals were against the do not call list because it would put telemarketers out of a job. Now fast forward to today, the libs want us to push through a bill that will kill the insurance industry. In our current economy, killing jobs is the absolutely worst thing we could do.

You guys can tell me how intelligent he is but the truth is his policies are counter-productive to a booming economy. He is salivating about killing the insurance industry, energy industries, business industries, medical industries, etc and he can't figure out why the economy sucks.

Lonnie

Sniper,

Correct. Aside from your good points is the simple fact that THERE IS NO MONEY FOR THIS...Even if it were a good idea, which is demonstrably is not, there simply is no money to do it....

The real issue comes down to the simple fact that corporations ARE government without public inputs. What the reichwing is really against is people, and they always have been: fascism.

People are still deluded into thinking that a "private" entity is someone not government. When in fact ALL corporations enjoys government protections(privacy/speech/
etc).

In the same ways that the roman fagot church used to control people using government powers, corporations own you.

Things will not change until people free themselves from this delusion.

Majority in the House. Majority in the Senate. Owns the White House.

Why do they need the Republicans.

I thought that for 6 years, with similar control of the Congress, Bush got everything he wanted.

Can anyone give a news article that read during Bush's 6-year glee:

GOP says ... needs Dems to pass.

#25 | POSTED BY LWALK17
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The bill in it's current form has been largely crafted by the insurance companies. They won't be going anywhere. They are ecstatic at the idea that the government would mandate healthcare for all and effectively deliver a captive market for them to exploit. Now they just need to line the right pickets to make sure the public option sucks (which it will) and they will be better off than ever before.

I hate to keep pimping his show, I'm not his nephew or anything, but Bill Moyers had another great discussion on this recently.

After taking $855 billion without asking, Paulson got down on his hands and knees to con Pelosi into forking over another $700 billion.

Does this suggest a strategy for Pelosi? Not really, because Rethuglican's behave in more unified fashion than Demoputzes.

Either real change emerges or they shouldn't bother. Real change would require the universal elimination of pre-existing condition clauses and dropping anyone for getting sick.

Another racist comment from Nanc how surprising....... Either everybody gets healthcare or nobody should including your people.

#13 | Posted by jackass at 2009-07-26 11:15 PM

So basically what you are saying stupid, is that it doesnt matter if someone is not here legally or not they should get free health care? You know, you and your sister Moder are two of the dumbest individuals on here. Dont feel to bad, you have plenty of company.

What's the point of having a majority if you can't get anything done? If Hulkamaniacs really wanted this type of health care reform, Dems wouldn't be whining about needing more votes.

HULKAMANIA FOREVER

People are still deluded into thinking that a "private" entity is someone not government. When in fact ALL corporations enjoys government protections(privacy/speech/
etc).

In the same ways that the roman fagot church used to control people using government powers, corporations own you.

Things will not change until people free themselves from this delusion.

Let me guess.. you're a 15 year old kid with nothing to do this summer.. right?

Turn off MTV for a few minutes and read a bit..

say screw the repubs. They don't care about the average American.

#1 | Posted by jackass at 2009

AH here we go again with the average american debate

time was when the left told us the average american wasnt those people who palin was talking about

and so now we see that the average american is something else..
average must certainly cut a large swath I guess

| Posted by rasta - perhaps if we ship them back from whence they came?

#12 | Posted by nanc at 2009-07-26 11:02 PM

well there is always this

we should have picked our own god damn cotton..

(relax..its a joke.)

#35 | Posted by aflakbabble2 at 2009-07-27 02:22 PM | Reply | Flag: Never actually picked cotton.

There be a senatur on the TV and he be a talkin the truths about them healthy cares. His name be John Kyl and he be talking all truthy and stuff and he be talkings about the Fox News polls that says ain't no kindas support fer no kinds health cares likes that evel Barrakks Hussayn Obbamma wants to go on puttin on us'n and makes us do the healthys. I says it ain't reicht and the Fox News pollstings be 145% corrects just liek Al-Rushboo (mega Dildoos!). See we don't needs to gets all healthy likes that cuz Al-Rushboo be all fat and jiggly and sexy whens he sucks on them hard, long fat ciggarrs with his purdy mouth. Al-Rushboo ain't fer no healthys and he knows just likes thems Fox News pollsterings that makes the Obbamma cries cuz their ain't no kinds of way we gones to makes this healthy cares no kinds of way. So ya'll best listenin to me and Al-Rushboo and the Fox News Pollingsters and gets on the reicht boat to the healthys. AIN'T NO HEALTHYS FER THE USA USA USA!!!! FOX NEW POLLSTERINGS AIN'T FER NO HEALTHYS!!!! SENATOR KYL FER A HEALTHY DUDEMEYSTERING AGAINST ALL THEM HEALTHYS!!!!

He is salivating about killing the insurance industry, energy industries, business industries, medical industries, etc and he can't figure out why the economy sucks.
#25 | Posted by lwalk17 at 2009-07-27 01:22 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Lonnie,
So you believe that Obama wants to "kill" all business industries? You also think that Obama made the economy suck? And you want us to take you seriously?

How about the republican provision requiring Congress and all Fed employees lose their current coverage and sign up for the plan dems are shoving down our throats?
Or a provision in the bill that states American citizens only? As it stands anyone can join this legal or not.

#23 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2009-07-27 01:02 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Crispee,

I thought the bill was only for Citizens? (Not including children) Anyway, Illegal Aliens already had free helathcare by using the ER.

I kind of like the idea that public employees automatically get this coverage. Could be a good idea.

OK...1st) What Obama says is in the bill is not in the bill. You can look across the blogesphere and see that. 2) There are two parts a. FORCE people to buy insurance b. Create a Government Run option to private health care plans ( that will eventually do away with private insurance)

So of the people that are uninsured 1/3 of them choose to be but can afford it. So the government one will not help them - it will only cost them. Over 5/9 are illegal, unemployed ect. - which even if you made a low cost government option - they STILL could not afford it. There is only a very small % that are not addressed by the current healthcare market that a lower cost option would address.

So..it will NOT do what it says it will do (cover everyone) if there is any cost to it (and if there isn't it is NOT an option to public plans ..it will be the defacto only optioni) AND it would NOT be low cost to the government and the debit because you and I would be paying for all those that currently get thier health care for free at the Free Clinics ...but in the process destroy the best health care system in the world.

I just want to hear it from JACKASS.

JACKASS.

How did I fall into your debt? Why do I owe you money so you can get health care?

What did I do?

Please answer professionally.

Kuma

Sigh...

I say screw the repubs. They don't care about the average American.
#1 | Posted by jackass at 2009-07-26 07:47 PM

I call B.S. The Dems have sufficient "majorities" in both houses.
#18 | Posted by daprof at 2009-07-27 12:41 PM

Reading is fundamental, people...

"The only thing bipartisan about the measure so far is the opposition to it," said McConnell, R-Ky.

It's a reality a key Democratic senator acknowledged. Even though the Democrats enjoy a majority in the Senate, some are skittish about the financial or political costs of the proposals.

"Look, there are not the votes for Democrats to do this just on our side of the aisle," said Sen. Kent Conrad, D-N.D., the chairman of the powerful budget committee.

Or even their side of the Capitol.

Rep. Jim Cooper, a Tennessee Democrat and a member of the fiscally conservative "Blue Dogs," said he doubts the Democratic-controlled House could pass a proposal.

why republicans? not enough socialist democrats already there to ram it through like cap & trade?

any republican that signs on to the plan as currently constructed will not be reelected. dems can work on the blue dogs.

Lonnie,
So you believe that Obama wants to "kill" all business industries? You also think that Obama made the economy suck? And you want us to take you seriously?

#38 | Posted by BenFranklinn
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Well not intentionally what in the hell is crap and tax about? It's about killing the energy industries. It's about killing oil, coal, and natural gas industries by making customers pay more money to heat their homes, gas up their vehicles, and to cool their homes. It has absolutely nothing to do with anything else. There's absolutely no debate about this, it's a full out assault on the poor. There is absolutely no gain for the American public contained in Crap and Tax.

So let me get this straight. You want us to believe that Obama is creating a booming economy when his policies are killing business? What in the hell have you been smoking? And YOU want US to take your point of view seriously? Two can play that game especially when you want to be a partisan hack and not smell what reality brings us.

Lonnie

Ben,

So you believe that Obama wants to "kill" all business industries? You also think that Obama made the economy suck? And you want us to take you seriously?

Do you realize how many lefties argued that Bush intentionally ruined the economy; or that he tried to destroy Social Security?

By the way Ben Franklin, if you look at my comments, I did not say he screwed up the economy. I'm saying he's suppressing it from improving. There is a difference.

Lonnie

Do you realize how many lefties argued that Bush intentionally ruined the economy; or that he tried to destroy Social Security?

#46 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-07-27 03:29 PM |

Of course. It was all about Bush's oil and Wall Street friends.

Regardless of the merits of the public option, we just don't have the money to do this.

Guess Ben Franklin is one of those hit and run like hell posters not looking for serious debate.

Lonnie

More liberal Democrat lies. The Democrats have an overwhelming majority in the House and a big filibuster proof majority in the Senate. The liberal Democrats can pass literally any legislation that Obama wants without one single Republican vote. That is a fact!

So in 06' when bush was POTUS and dems had a majority it was that they didnt have a big enough majority to do what they wanted. It was the repub fault for holding them accountable to the bills they wanted to pass. Now the issue is that they still dont have enough liberal/socialist democrats to pass healthcare and need repubs? Do the excusses ever stop with whinner party? Does the leadership take responsibility for anything or wil this forever be the party of vitims?

I say screw the repubs. They don't care about the average American.

#1 | Posted by jackass

Let's say they don't. What do you have to say about the democrats, for the last 60 years plus, saying that they are for the little guy yet we still have poor people everywhere? Why haven't they done something, other than create a welfare state that made things worse? Why is the little guy in the exact same position he's always been in? And you expect me to believe that the dems actually care about the average American.

I say screw the repubs. They don't care about the average American.

#1 | POSTED BY JACKASS AT 2009-07-26 07:47 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Fine, repubs say screw you too on this. Dems should, if they believe in this, pass the bill. They don't need shit from republicans. They just don't want to be alone when everyone figures out what a colossally stupid idea this bill turned out to be.

Need some repub. scapes goes. I say screw that. Dems can amend the bill to something that make sense and can actually be paid for - or twist in the wind with BO when the shit comes down.

No, the longer the delay the more money is put into the republican pockets from the insurance companies, it is as simple as that.

#16 | Posted by roman

You must of missed the thread about the money from insurance companies going to the blue dog dems...

This bill is health care destruction.

We need some reform--sure!

Tort reform to bring the costs down and the doctors won't run every damn test so as not to get sued.

Allow every person to search for insurance from any state--they will choose the lowest or the highest--but allow across state lines.

Allow association of groups to pool together--business group of 30 or 12 or 150 or 2000--all together into a plan because they are the same type of risk. This would bring rates down. Include individuals to join these groups with themselves and their families as well.

Increase HSA for people to use for their insurance premiums and tax deductible.

Put all people with high risk ailments or who have pre-existing conditions to be wheeled into the system--they must be taken and given affordable rates. Just like car insurance and high risk drivers--they are wheeled into the system and insured.

It's a start.

What really kills me is that these stupid libtards support Obama no matter what. They look at the waste of the $787 BILLION Stimulus, the non-transparency of the $1 trillion tarp funds, the continued fighting of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, holding prisoners indefinitely despite campaign promises otherwise. The Congressional Budget Office just reported that the Healthcare reform bills will NOT save America money. Reports are that it will cost America over $1 trillion and it won't have all the benefits Obama said according to those who read the House Bill and Obama admitted he did not read it yet he is making primetime speeches about it.

Below are a few links to the stupid Democrat libtards who have fallen into Obama's cult of personality because he is man of no susbstance.

NOT ONE OF THESE PEOPLE CAN NAME ONE SINGLE BARACK OBAMA ACCOMPLISHMENT COMING INTO THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT:

blame a fatarse for our health care woes:

Whatever Nanc. Plenty of thin people suffer health conditions. Cancer seems to not care if you are skinny or not. You aren't very bright and you prove it every post.

You aren't very bright and you prove it every post.

#59 | Posted by jackass

This just begs for the obvious commentary but it's just so frigging easy I'm gonna pass

I say screw the repubs. They don't care about the average American.

And the Democrats do? Hate to break it to you jackass but Tosser cares more about the average American than just about any politician in Washington.

And just for the record I hope if he ever does come to the U.S. and bothers to visit you that he posts the video of him whupping your sorrowful ass here on the DR.

The American Medical Association has weighed in on the new healthcare plan. The Allergists voted to scratch it, but the Dermatologists advised not to make any rash moves.

The Gastroenterologists had sort of a gut feeling about it, but the Neurologists thought the Administration had a lot of nerve. The Obstetricians felt they were all laboring under a misconception. Ophthalmologists considered the idea shortsighted. Pathologists yelled,"Over my dead body!" while the Pediatricians said, 'Oh, Grow up!'

The Psychiatrists thought the whole idea was madness, while the Radiologists could see right through it. Surgeons decided to wash their hands of the whole thing. The Internists thought it was a bitter pill to swallow, and the Plastic Surgeons said, "This puts a whole new face on the matter."

The Podiatrists thought it was a step forward, but the Urologists were pissed off at the whole idea. The Anesthesiologists thought the whole idea was a gas, and the Cardiologists didn't have the heart to say no.

In the end, the Proctologists won out, leaving the entire decision up to the assholes in Washington .

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Hypocrisy alert!

A heretofore "unknown" 2004 interview with Barack Obama by leftwing radio host Randi Rhodes has just emerged. And basically, as you shall hear, Obama is saying do as I say, not as I do. In this case he was referring to quickly forcing legislation through congress. As you can hear in this interview, uncovered by Naked Emporer News, the hypocrisy seems so massive that it is destined to go viral on the Web. It features Randi Rhodes back during her Air America days interviewing then senator-elect Barack Obama on November 22, 2004. And despite the fact that Randi is currently pretty well hidden from public view, you can be sure she will soon be talked about again because of her inadvertent exposure of incredible hypocrisy on the part of Obama. And what was the hypocrisy? His complaint that the Bush administration was rushing legislation through congress without giving the legislators time to read the bills or allowing for much debate.

To get the full flavor of the Obama hypocrisy, be sure to listen to the YouTube clip which also includes a video of MSNBC's Chuck Todd discussing why Rahm Emanuel felt the need to Rahm, I mean ram, legislation through congress. Here is the transcript which picks up at the 55 second mark:

BARACK OBAMA: ...When you rush these budgets that are a foot high and nobody has any idea what's in them and nobody has read them.

RANDI RHODES: 14 pounds it was!

BARACK OBAMA: Yeah. And it gets rushed through without any clear deliberation or debate then these kinds of things happen. And I think that this is in some ways what happened to the Patriot Act. I mean you remember that there was no real debate about that. It was so quick after 9/11 that it was introduced that people felt very intimidated by the administration.

They don't need the repubs. The spineless Dems are just trying to deflect blame. As usual their voters will slurp it right up.

from near the top...

..." it won't be republican's fault if it doesn't pass..."

#2 | Posted by nanc at 2009-07-26 08:54 PM |

What exactly then is the Republicans fault...

Was it Reagan and the Republican's fault when he had
a huge runup in the Deficit? Not according to Republicans...

Was it H.W. Bushes fault when he had
a huge runup in the Deficit? Not according to Republicans...

Was it G.W. Bush & Co.'s fault when he had
a huge runup in the Deficit and almost single
handedly wrecked the American Economy under
his wishy-washy Presidency? Not according to Republicans...

From the Party of "No Responsibility", from the
Party of "it's always the Other Guys fault", from
the Party of "Modern Day Obstructionism"...
when will you EVER take responsibility for anything
that is tough or hard? Why can I never vote for your party? Because true leadership requires responsibility, and owing up to your mistakes.
Something the G.O.P. NEVER does.

The G.O.P. has become the party of Obstruction in America. Must be what the "O" stands for. No alternative solutions, just get in the way of the Democrats accomplishing anything, fight all their legislation, all their court nominees, and then try to blame all of the Republican created mess on them for the next round of elections...

pretty much sums up the whole G.O.P. strategy in a nutshell...

and yes nanc..if the Republican Party refuses to work on shoring up Health Care for the majority of
Americans, then yes, it will be THEIR fault, at least in part...

geesh...what a wonderful system of rule we have.
one party that wants to get something done, to
change the crumbling system, and the other that
just wants to stand in their way...(talk about a
5 year old mentality)...

What exactly then is the Republicans fault...

Plenty. You didn't need to post everything from when they were in power. We get it.

However, the failure of this bill won't be their fault.

The left wouldn't accept an ounce of blame if the situation was reversed and everybody here knows it.

Harry Reid needs to grow a spine and tell the Dems we are going to pass the health care bill as reconciliation. Weak leadership is preventing progress on this bill. I'd be willing to forego health care legislation this year if Harry Reid would resign as majority leader.

I'd be willing to forego health care legislation this year if Harry Reid would resign as majority leader.
#67 | Posted by danni

Imagine that? Too bad one wouldn't guarantee the other. I don't care which way you want to look at it.

and yes nanc..if the Republican Party refuses to work on shoring up Health Care for the majority of
Americans, then yes, it will be THEIR fault, at least in part...
#65 | Posted by earthmuse at 2009-07-29 11:41 AM

So when the party of NO writes a provision on the dem written healthcare plan, requiring all fed employees, (inlcuding Congress) forgo their Insurance and be subjected to the same program, one would think that is doing something, right? Or pointing out the current bill is not for American Citizens only, that is doing something, right? Yet the dems reject them because....?

So when the party of NO writes a provision on the dem written healthcare plan, requiring all fed employees, (inlcuding Congress) forgo their Insurance and be subjected to the same program, one would think that is doing something, right? Or pointing out the current bill is not for American Citizens only, that is doing something, right? Yet the dems reject them because....?

#69 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2009-07-29 12:33 PM

(not to mention the irony in his statement about 5 year old mentality given the logic in his argument)

the above link is what makes me wonder what AARP is doing supporting this crap...
and another reason why as of yesterday afternoon I was no longer a member

Harry Reid needs to grow a spine and tell the Dems we are going to pass the health care bill as reconciliation. Weak leadership is preventing progress on this bill. I'd be willing to forego health care legislation this year if Harry Reid would resign as majority leader.

#67 | Posted by danni at 2009-07

wrong

the problem is the public knowing more about it with every passing day
as far as reid, he is going to pretty soon start to worry about him making it back to the senate after 2010...he numbers there are said to be low and getting lower..
one can only hope.......

but your debating honesty on it is refreshing...

from above...

"So when the party of NO writes a provision on the dem written healthcare plan, requiring all fed employees, (inlcuding Congress) forgo their Insurance and be subjected to the same program, one would think that is doing something, right? Or pointing out the current bill is not for American Citizens only, that is doing something, right? Yet the dems reject them because....?

#69 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2009-07-29 12:33 PM

Fair enough. I see you think that represents a
"positive" change. No one (not even the President) is saying everyone has to be on the SAME healthcare plan, he is just saying there should be a government option to compete with private insurance.
And I for one agree. Private insurance costs have spiraled out of control on everything in this country. And a little competition would do the whole industry good.

It sounds to me as if their proposal that gov employees sacrifice their current health plans for the alternative plan Obama is suggesting as a competitor (not a replacement to) privately held insurance is fairly "mean spirited". It is seemingly an attempt to "score points" in the debate that, "government workers wont give up their
health insurance for the plan" so why should Joe the Plummer. But in reality, no one, not government employees, and not private citizens are being forced into anything other than "more choices" when it comes to health care...

how is having more choice, more competition, and more options a bad thing?

It sounds to me as if their proposal that gov employees sacrifice their current health plans for the alternative plan Obama is suggesting as a competitor (not a replacement to) privately held insurance is fairly "mean spirited". It is seemingly an attempt to "score points" in the debate that, "government workers wont give up their
health insurance for the plan" so why should Joe the Plummer. But in reality, no one, not government employees, and not private citizens are being forced into anything other than "more choices" when it comes to health care...

how is having more choice, more competition, and more options a bad thing?

#73 | Posted by earthmuse at 2009-07-29 03:33 PM

how is ensuring that the government plan is a quality plan that works for people who may not have a choice a bad thing?

I agree that this should be debated more before being voted on. The original deadline Obama put on this isn't realistic.

The problem: I haven't seen anything near a debate except between the Dems. Rebublicans, what are your alternatives? What are the specifics on why you don't like the bill? All I have seen from the right talking heads is that the bill will "bankrupt America" or "destroy healthcare". Such generalizations aren't meant for progress.

Comments like the one I've pasted below are the

"Personally, I would never vote for anyone leftist enough to support the takeover and destruction of the american health care system."

#22 | Posted by BenFranklinn at 2009-07-27 12:57

Here you are, Ben.

Geez, for a guy who has been attributed the discovery of electricity one would expect you to have a better grasp on how to use the google.