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Friday, July 24, 2009

As faith-minded gays and lesbians struggle for acceptance in predominantly heterosexual churches and synagogues, some heterosexuals are seeking out gay houses of worship. "I laugh and say we're the token straight couple, but I kid you not, they treat us like royalty," said Sheila Hobson, 48, who attends Holy Trinity Community Church in Nashville, where 90 percent of its 350 members are gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender.

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Fabulous!

Excellent title, Kirk. Traditional Christians have opposed sodomy because it is not open to reproduction. Here you made the distinction between "breeders" and, I assume, "non-breeders."
Congratulations on agreeing with the Pope. 'Bout time you came around.
Oh, and to add to your 'fabulous' comment: super, oh just super!

If I were a church going type of person, this is what I'd be doing.

wonder which verses from the bible they DON'T preach? everyone's watering down the word of God these days. exactly on schedule.

wonder which verses from the bible they DON'T preach? everyone's watering down the word of God these days. exactly on schedule.
#4 | Posted by nanc

Definitely not the one about not eating shrimp. That's an abomination.

Required....

www.godhatesshrimp.com

letssupandpray,

that's really funny

wanna go protest Red Lobster?

'cept Jesus declared all food clean...
Mark 7:19

Diablo,
I'm a big fan of the Pixies....
Kim Deal's spin off band was called "The Breeders", a epithet the gay community uses against straight people, especially that have children.

the sign from God Hates Shrimp is heeelarious

I'm a big fan of the Pixies....
#8 | Posted by kirk at 2009-07-24 11:54 AM | Reply | Flag: earns a point in hagbard's book.

All I'm sayin', pretty baby...

The Breeders", a epithet the gay community uses against straight people, especially that have children.

I can understand that gay people want to have a term of derision for people who are not like them, but "breeders"?

Aren't they launching insults on their own parents and a large number of their own community who have children?

Aren't they launching insults on their own parents and a large number of their own community who have children?
#12 | Posted by Grendel

Yes. That irony escapes them. But usually that term is used by people who have lingering parent issues.

I always tell people who use that term that if they are really interested in doing something about humanity's effects on the world, that they could just take themselves out of the equation and leave the planet to those of us who have a vested interest, i.e. children, to try to make the world a better place.

The term "breeders" is generally only used in reference to those who tend to use terms like "fags" and "sodomites" a lot.

The term "breeders" is generally only used in reference to those who tend to use terms like "fags" and "sodomites" a lot.
#14 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

A guy on the street two weeks ago did apologize to me when he realized I heard him use it. I told him science was real close to putting him in the same position I was and that he shouldn't be so sure that his boyfriend wasn't going to get all maternal on him.

We had a laugh together. I think I spooked him a bit though.

The term "breeders" is generally only used in reference to those who tend to use terms like "fags" and "sodomites" a lot.

A conversation or argument in which people on both side are seriously using these terms is not worth listening to or being a part of.

When people open their mouth to vent hate, they automatically close their ears.

BTW, Hagbard, I think you made a good point in #13

scratch these two verses from the bible:

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

lev 18:22

"And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."

romans 1:27

BTW, Hagbard, I think you made a good point in #13
#16 | Posted by Grendel

Thanks. I'm not comfortable making it though. I accept that its me being defensive and a bit confrontational.

And you're going to trust a book that can't add to two?

"scratch these two verses from the bible"

I'm curious. Why?

I never heard the word 'breeder' as used here. When I saw the title, I couldn't figure out what cattlement had to do with gay churches. The headline still doesn't make sense even knowing what that word means

Hey, they mentioned my church in the article.

The headline still doesn't make sense even knowing what that word means
#21 | Posted by goatman

Really? It means that they are looking for Churches that don't discriminate against homosexuals. And since its a Kirk thread, the "Queer Idea" part is just his opportunity to do a little linguistic gay bashing.

Hey, they mentioned my church in the article.
#22 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

I've said enough about myself for people here to learn my identity with a little effort (and flat out identified myself to one poster), but next thing you'll know, Tadowe will be waiting for you on Sunday. And he won't have to know who you are, he'll just approach the guy who's eyes pop out of his head at the guy wearing the Tadowe tee shirt standing in front of the church.

We've had the right reverend Fred Phelps, and some wonderful "Christian" brothers and sisters from Operation Rescue, among other visitors. Bitter, feeble, mentally impaired old curmudgeons don't really create much cause for alarm any more.

Bitter, feeble, mentally impaired old curmudgeons don't really create much cause for alarm any more.
#25 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

Come on, if you really saw somebody suspiciously scanning the crowd with a tadowe shirt, you'd walk in the opposite direction, admit it.

I know I would.

Alright, I always said I never think about this place or it's posters while I'm not actually logged on, but for sure I'm going to have a T-shirt made that says "I'm Tadowe!".

If I see somebody read it and start running I'm going to pull my pants down and chase them.

101 with his pants around his ankles, or Tadowe in his specially logo'd Donna Karan glittered wife beater.

Which presents the more frightening image?

Alright, I always said I never think about this place or it's posters while I'm not actually logged on, but for sure I'm going to have a T-shirt made that says "I'm Tadowe!". If I see somebody read it and start running I'm going to pull my pants down and chase them.

I can almost picture that.

I try to tell non-retorters about conversations I've had here with ally'all. That's usually a conversation killer... That's as far as I've gone thinking about you guys outside in the real world.

Though I do consider that somebody could approach me on the street as I blog on the bberry saying, "hagbard, is that you?!" I'm gonna have a heart attack right there if it ever happens.

Of course it would likely be fredo or elcid. Who else is here in NYC?

Did I mention I'd be wearing sweat-bands?

www.doodysfancydress.co.uk

We do need to sell "I'm Tadowe, and they made this sticker about me" bumper stickers at Rcade's store.

Did I mention I'd be wearing sweat-bands?
#30 | Posted by 101Chairborne

You didn't have to. I'd already imagined them there.

Wait, we are talking about your wrists and head, right?

www.doodysfancydress.co.uk

#31 | Posted by 101Chairborne

Now...

Imagine that outfit with tons of glitter, on a 93 year old emaciated man with ill-fitting dentures, and you'll be getting close.

Wait, we are talking about your wrists and head, right?

#33 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2009-07-24 02:55 PM

I can carry two cups of coffee and a dozen donuts, oh yeah baby!- Craig Shoemaker

We do need to sell "I'm Tadowe, and they made this sticker about me" bumper stickers at Rcade's store.
#32 | Posted by kanrei

I still haven't ordered the "Don't Blame Me, I voted for Nader.... Again" bumper sticker.

That should prove that I click on the ads once in a while.

I did like "Re-elect Gore in 2004." The one I like now is "Change: Cuba Got it in 1959." I don't agree with what it is implying, but damn if it isn't a well done quote.

Now...

Imagine that outfit with tons of glitter, on a 93 year old emaciated man with ill-fitting dentures, and you'll be getting close.

#34 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2009-07-24 02:56 PM | Reply

If by "close" you mean a raging hard on, you're right!!!

All time best bumper sticker: Everything I need to Know I Learned from the Back of a VW Bus

hijack over.

I don't agree with what it is implying, but damn if it isn't a well done quote.
#38 | Posted by kanrei

I have one that says "Evildoer"

Even liberals don't get hat one.

hijack over.
#40 | Posted by kanrei

hijack over. for now.

Sweat bands are frigging hilarious. Nothing, not even black socks and sandals, can match the douchiness of sweat bands.

I dare you, try to find a more pathetic display than the sweat band (Richard Simmons shorts and tank top excluded).

A mankini?

Christians have opposed sodomy because it is not open to reproduction.
.........#2 | Posted by Diablo

.....neither is oral sex ......

....does your wife still give you blow jobs ?..

....or does she just close her eyes and say the Lord's prayer while you hump away ?......

.....is it a sin if you're accidentally humping the wrong hole ??....you know with a tubby like your wife , it probably happens a lot more than you think............

I still haven't ordered the "Don't Blame Me, I voted for Nader.... Again" bumper sticker.

I saw one in Mississippi a few months ago, "Don't blame me. I voted for Jefferson Davis"

A mankine, huh? Well, I'll see your "mankini" and raise you a...

Sweat bands and a half shirt combo.


Christians have opposed sodomy because it is not open to reproduction.
.........#2 | Posted by Diablo

.....neither is oral sex ......

....does your wife still give you blow jobs ?..

Oral sex is sodomy.

Main Entry:sodomy
Pronunciation:ˈs-də-mē
Function:noun
: anal or oral copulation with a member of the same or opposite sex ; also : copulation with an animal
www.merriam-webster.com

A mankine, huh? Well, I'll see your "mankini" and raise you a...

Sweat bands and a half shirt combo.

#47 | Posted by 101Chairborne

Ugh!

I'm going all in... A mankini, sweatbands, 2 toe rings, an ankle bracelet, a sky blue shirt tied in a knot in the front just below the breast bone and fake Foster Grants perched jauntily on the frosted-tips 15 year old hair piece.

Oral sex is sodomy.
.......#48 | Posted by kanrei

.....my question stands.......

.....if a straight couple engages in any sex play other than vaginal sex, during a time when the menstrual cycle is on "reproduction", ......are they committing a lesser sin than gays ?.........

#49 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2009-07-24 03:18 PM | Reply | Flag: Goes for jugular, and gets it

....and would that mean that religious couples could not engage in oral sex......

......or even hand jobs ??.....

That I don't know Skizz because I don't consider either a sin.

They do say masturbation is also a sin, so I would assume that yes, they would be equal, but don't know.

It was the shirt tied in a knot that clinched it, although any time a hair piece is introduced it's noteworthy.

I took my car in an inspection last week. The owner of the shop had a piece so bad it was insulting. Although the car passed, it needed tires and the sway bar was loose. He offered me a decent price and I told him I'd be back the next day to get it done. Instead, I went to the dealer.
I refused to do business with somebody with a hair piece, especially one so bad that it tested my patience.

Even coitus interruptus could be considered a sin, according to Genesis.

"masturbation"

Walrus masturbation
www.youtube.com

-I'm going all in... A mankini, sweatbands, 2 toe rings, an ankle bracelet, a sky blue shirt tied in a knot in the front just below the breast bone and fake Foster Grants perched jauntily on the frosted-tips 15 year old hair piece.

I do believe 101 will be mesmerized.

They do say masturbation is also a sin, so I would assume that yes, they would be equal, but don't know.

#54 | Posted by kanrei

........then it would blow to be religious.......

..........or not.......

#50

Skizz,

A sin is a sin is a sin in the eyes of God...except for one which is an unforgivable sin, and it isn't homosexuality.

I saved a hairy beer belly as my trump card, just in case he tried to bluff.

Nanc.......can you help us out here ??........

......do you give your husband blow jobs ??....or is it a sin ??.......

.......are hand jobs ok ??.....

He'd likely match that and raise you a set of 9 inch fuckme stilettos.

101 stopped competing and began taking notes for his outfit this weekend.

A sin is a sin is a sin in the eyes of God...except for one which is an unforgivable sin, and it isn't homosexuality.
........#60 | Posted by Lisa

......well I understand the sin of murder, assault, theft, lible....as these are also secular crimes.....

......but when a god gets persnickety about sexual practices......I am curious as to how and why......

......the religious right seems to think that God frowns on homosexuality, but when you get down to it, heterosexuals have the exact same practices as homosexuals.......

......so why is it a sin when the gays do it, but ok when the straights do it..??......

#64 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-07-24 03:33 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: Funny

Skizz;

You really don't see the difference between a man and a woman making love and two men or two women making love???

.....the religious right seems to think that G-d frowns on homosexuality, but when you get down to it, heterosexuals have the exact same practices as homosexuals.......

They also feel He has no problems sleeping with a married woman and letting someone else raise his child. =D

You really don't see the difference between a man and a woman making love and two men or two women making love???


Besides the mechanics of it, there is no difference.

A sin is a sin is a sin in the eyes of God...except for one which is an unforgivable sin, and it isn't homosexuality.

Posted by Lisa

Is it by suggesting to everyone that may need to hear it that JC isn't the only begotten?

Besides the mechanics of it, there is no difference.

#69 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-07-24 03:39 PM | Reply

I sure haven't seen one woman give another woman a facial after making love...

You really don't see the difference between a man and a woman making love and two men or two women making love???
.........#67 | Posted by Lisa

.......love is love.......

...is there a difference between left-handed people making love and righ-handed people making love.?......

.....but my questions are technical.....how come it's ok for a straigth couple to engage in practices that are "sins" for gay couples ?.......

I sure haven't seen one woman give another woman a facial after making love...

Posted by 101Chairborne at 2009-07-24 03:41 PM |

Watch better porn....I mean, what?

I sure haven't seen one woman give another woman a facial after making love...

#71 | Posted by 101Chairborne

Of course they do. They also give each other manicures and do their hair.

......I mean Lisa......

....do you give your husband blow jobs ??.....is it any more right, or more wrong, for you to do that, than for a gay couple to do it ??........

......I mean Lisa......

....do you give your husband blow jobs ??.....

I am not going to be able to take her word for it and will be requiring some form of proof: either photographic or video or even a live performance if possible. =D

....do you give your husband blow jobs ??.....

That's out of line

That's out of line

Posted by goatman at 2009-07-24 03:45 PM

And hot =D

That's out of line

#77 | Posted by goatman

I believe he intended that hypothetically, and it DOES illustrate a valid point.

Until the sodomy laws were overturned a few years ago by the Supreme Court, the laws applied equally to heterosexual and homosexual acts. However, they were not applied equally.

I believe he intended that hypothetically, and it DOES illustrate a valid point.

That Kanrei is easily distracted?

skizits has been trolling for some sex talk from Nanc as well.

I imagine LarryMorh may be able to help you out, creep.

Skizz:

I will not discuss my sex life here.

According to Scripture man is not to have sex with another man.

Sex was intended to be between a man and woman, not a man and man or woman and woman.

But it is not a larger sin than lying, adultery or any other sin.

We are all sinners.

I will not discuss my sex life here.

#82 | Posted by Lisa at 2009-07-24 03:50 PM |

DAMNIT! Thanks Skizz =(

Lisa,
How about posting photos and we will discuss it?

Lisa and Nanc,
Don't bother thanking me for defending your honor. Just tell me your bra size and send photos to my email that's attached to my user profile.

I'm a real gentleman, an one classy fucker.

That's out of line

#77 | Posted by goatman

........why ?......if you condemn a practice, you should be able to discuss why you feel its morally wrong.......

.......especially practices that one group engages in, but condemns when another group does it.......

I'm a real gentleman, an one classy fucker.
.......#84 | Posted by 101Chairborne

....classy......economy class all the way......

We are all sinners.

#82 | Posted by Lisa

speak for yourself...unless having karma (good &/or bad) from past lives is a sin?

of course atheism denies all concepts of sin...

According to Scripture man is not to have sex with another man.

#82 | Posted by Lisa

Lisa - first, most of the scriptures around same-sex sexuality involve issues of infidelity and prostitution. They do not take into consideration loving, committed relationships, which they had no concept of at the time.

Second, why did almost all of the OT prohibitions, including virtually all of the Levitical Holiness Codes simply vanish as society advanced and evolved. We laugh at, or cringe at some of the things that were "sins", including some that required the death penalty then. Yet fundamentalists cling to the "sin" of homosexuality like a life preserver.

You are free to believe what you want Bani.

You are free to believe what you want Bani.

#89 | Posted by Lisa

gee, thxs!

"with a 'knowing' wink"

being homosexual isn't a sin...never has been.

to suggest otherwise is basically using fear tactics at best!

Sanan:

I wish I had more time to dicuss this with you as I only had a few minutes.

However...the OT is very different from the NT and the main reason is Jesus..

Geesh I wish I had more time. Hopefully I'll have time later to respomd in full.

And Jesus' words about about homosexuality?

I will not discuss my sex life here.

.......then you should not discuss anyone else's (like gays)........

According to Scripture man is not to have sex with another man.

.......scripture is notoriously flawed and offers many self contradictory examples....it can be made to seem to justify anything, including murder.....so you have to look to your conscience to justify your views....and if your views are prejudicial to a minority......then the prejudice must weigh on your conscience.....not on scripture......

Sex was intended to be between a man and woman, not a man and man or woman and woman.

........homosexuals did not choose to be what they are, but they are a minority, and like all minorities, the majority takes an attitude of revulsion and hate towards them...... but in the end.....any thinking person has to justify the hatred to themselves.....

But it is not a larger sin than lying, adultery or any other sin.

........a sin is a bad choice.....homosexuals do not choose what they are.........

We are all sinners.....#82 | Posted by Lisa

......don't get hung up on it....and do reward your husband with something special tonight.......you'll both have a great weekend....

I can't believe how much of this thread I've missed in just an hour.

Not even worth it to jump in now.

Rogue and 101 strut the runway.

Digital manipulation questions.

:(

And Jesus' words about about homosexuality?
...#93 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

....."into thy hands I commit my member"......

#20 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine - buffet christianity - just take the verses from the bible that make us feel good - don't want to rock the humanism boat.

Hey, they mentioned my church in the article.#22 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2009-07-24 02:21 PM | Reply

Glad to pass the love along...

Skizz:

#94

First of all, I do not go around talking about a gay's sex life. You asked a question and I responded with no sin is greater than another except one and it wasn't homosexuality.

You kept on asking questions.

Secondly, I am not going to get into a discussion about whether or not one is born gay.I have no idea what is in their hearts, just as they have no idea what is in mine.I have no right to judge them or anyone, so I refrain from doing so.

And thirdly, time spent with my husband is always special no matter what we are doing! : )

0K...that's it for today. Gotta fly!!

Have a great evening!

Of course it would likely be fredo or elcid. Who else is here in NYC?#29 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2009-07-24 02:50 PM | Reply

If you see a leathery guy walking around The Village in just hot pants, it's me--just slap me across the face and remind me of this thread.

You really don't see the difference between a man and a woman making love and two men or two women making love???

I cannot see the difference between a man and woman or two women making love.

Two men making love is perverted in my book and should be banned.

Just writing that gave me the creeps.

rwd

What I find convenient in scripture is that things are never really even mentioned until someone who would be considered an enemy is doing it, then all of a sudden, it's forbidden and sinful.

While the sheer numbers of Christians and other Abrahamic religions make them a majority of people, if you look at religions in general, the majority of them do not have a problem with it. So, it becomes a question of "my god is better than your god and he says..."

Of course, nearly every moral question these days comes down to the same thing. Just because more people believe it, doesn't mean they are right. At one time in history, people were burned at the stake because they didn't believe the world was flat. Look how that turned out.

Well, nanc, some of them aren't even Christian to begin with. I go to a Unitarian church, which isn't majority-gay, but has blessed same-sex unions for at least 35 years now. We don't hold the Christian Bible as any more infallible and unquestionable than any other spiritual guidepost.

Traditional Christians have opposed sodomy because it is not open to reproduction.

This statement is either an outright lie, or these "traditional christians" are hypocrites. Sex between heterosexuals, even married heterosexual christians, fulfils many purposes beyond reproduction. The vast majority of sex acts are not for reproductive purposes. Are you by chance like Johnson and conceive of sex only as a mechanical act... penis goes in the vagina, sperm comes out, babies come out 9 mos later...

You shoud either save a proportional amount of your wrath for unmarried couples who use birth control, people with vasecotmies and tubal ligations, and otherwise infertile couples. Or, you could just simplify things and admit that you're a spiteful hypocrite who just doesn't like gay people.

scratch these two verses from the bible: lev 18:22, romans 1:27

Yes, why not scratch them? They aren't doing anybody any good... beyond a few pontificating assholes who use them to justify their own stupidity.

I cannot see the difference between a man and woman or two women making love.

Two men making love is perverted in my book and should be banned.

So, basically, if you can't masturbate while watchign a video of it on the internet, it should be banned?

.....if a straight couple engages in any sex play other than vaginal sex, during a time when the menstrual cycle is on "reproduction", ......are they committing a lesser sin than gays ?.........#50 | Posted by skizziks at 2009-07-24 03:22 PM | Reply

Not a sin.

And "sodomy" as defined above is not prohibited in the Bible.
Now, uptight religious people may try to define it their way.

Read the Song of Solomon...a whole book on married hetero sex, including references to much more than the "missionary position"...

They do say masturbation is also a sin...#54 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-07-24 03:24 PM | Reply |

Not listed in the Bible

You guys would likely NEVER believe how open James Dobson is to it for teenage boys, even talking about his struggle to get a grip on the issue...

Many of the things "They" say and do are not in the Bible.

And many things the most holy do are expressly forbidden by it.

They do say masturbation is also a sin...

#54 | Posted by kanrei

You can masturbate, but you better not fantasize while you're doing it:

Matt 5:28-29 "But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.

......so why is it a sin when the gays do it, but ok when the straights do it..??......#65 | Posted by skizziks at 2009-07-24 03:35 PM | Reply

It's not the sexual ACT
It's the sexual ACTORS that are the issue.

Many fundamentalist Christians may try to tell you differently, but *the Bible* says no such thing.

It's not the sexual ACT
It's the sexual ACTORS that are the issue.


Exactly! If you wanna screw a guy, become a priest; they can't marry anyway. =P

You can masturbate, but you better not fantasize while you're doing it

That defeats the purpose, doesn't it?

wonder which verses from the bible they DON'T preach? everyone's watering down the word of God these days. exactly on schedule.

#4 | Posted by nanc

It's not possible to believe everything in the bible.

It's the sexual ACTORS that are the issue.

So fake orgasms are on that list of things god hates...?

Hell yes, ZombieHunter.

Oh brother.

God believes in getting the job done, and He leads His followers....

Thick skin and a soft heart needed in this crazy world, the DR especially.

Too many have thin skin and a hard heart...

sphincter spelunking is just wrong in my book. it's the out door!

I like how "christians" get their panties in a twist about homosexuality, but most of them are strangely silent about masturbation.
After all, god struck Onan dead for spilling his seed.

sphincter spelunking is just wrong in my book. it's the out door!

#120 | Posted by nanc at 2009-07-25 12:45 AM |

Would that be the back door nanc?

I find it hillarious that a bible thumper like yourself spends so much time on gay related posts.

It's not possible to believe everything in the bible.

#114 | Posted by RastaCyborg at 2009-07-24 11:19 PM

I think you meant to type "anything".

This one goes out to the weekend click of Christian Morons (Grendel, Hagbard, etc);

HOW GOD'S PEOPLE TREAT GAYS AND LESBIANS EVERY DAY

I dare you to watch the whole thing.

And then there's Haggard post at #13:

"...I always tell people who use that term that if they are really interested in doing something about humanity's effects on the world, that they could just take themselves out of the equation and leave the planet to those of us who have a vested interest, i.e. children, to try to make the world a better place.,,"

The answer to all the ills caused by over-population from Breeders is Gays Killing Themselves??? Spoken like a true genocidal christian moron.

Put down your damn bibles and step away from the religion. You might stand a chance of actually rejoining the human race.

Diablo,
I'm a big fan of the Pixies....
Kim Deal's spin off band was called "The Breeders", a epithet the gay community uses against straight people, especially that have children.

#8 | Posted by kirk at 2009-07-24 11:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

Kim is good, but I still like Frank's stuff better.

sphincter spelunking is just wrong in my book. it's the out door!

#120 | Posted by nanc

I know you think that's really cute and witty, but did you know that the % of gay men who engage in anal intercourse is only slightly higher than that of straight men?

I know you think that's really cute and witty, but did you know that the % of gay men who engage in anal intercourse is only slightly higher than that of straight men?

Posted by SanAntonioRogue

fascinating! the smells must be stimulating, too

sphincter spelunking is just wrong in my book. it's the out door!

#120 | Posted by nanc

Are you the dumbest woman on the planet?

"You might stand a chance of actually rejoining the human race..."

Dumpling: "As for myself, humans are best kept as a menu item only".

"Breeders...."

Yeah. Kids. Nasty creatures. So dirty. And I hear they demand food and love.

The Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr., and others once called 11:00 on Sunday morning the most segregated hour in Christian America; indeed, sexual orientation can be just as divisive. Just as churches were split into white and black, they have also split between gay and straight.

That's just fucking depressing. You'd think in this day and age, people wouldn't be so retarded.

One of the local Universalist-Unitarian churches in my community boasts that it welcomes all people and is a sanctuary. Thet parade their attitude as virtuous and are actually quite sanctimonious regarding their particular outlook comparing themselves favorably to others not similarly disposed. Humility where art thous? The Minister herself is a self-aggrandizing female who has been mutilated surgically and takes hormones to display some outward male characteristics such as a beard. She is also obese, which may be attributable to her hormone regime.

The extent to which such people go to maintain the pretense that their desperate efforts to alter their bodies transforms them into something they are not is pathetic. It does not reflect normal behavior, and their inability to recognize how disturbed they are, certainly is remarkable.

I can understand homosexuals seeking communion with others of like nature. You need to wonder, however, regarding the outreach by "normals" to gather in a religious setting with a distinguished group, whose nexus is sexual behavior and in the extreme self-mutilation.

But it's all so cosmopolitan. These folks are so avant garde. You can detect a sort of conceit among them for these liberating attitudes and accomplishments.

Johnson honest question. In your professional opinion, if you took 5000 whites and 5000 blacks would their intelligence levels be the same or would one group be higher than another. This would be a random group of 5000 from all walks of life.

I'm sure Johnson's dreaming up a 1000 word diatribe on that subject right now. Dictionary.com's servers are burning up with his furious search for little used archaic terminology so that he can blow a shit storm of smoke and tell you why everyone else is a bigot and he's simply commenting on the all important "human condition." I personally am at the edge of my seat waiting for this one...lol!

#78 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-07-24 03:47 PM

That's out of line

Posted by goatman at 2009-07-24 03:45 PM

And hot =D

Interesting Kanrei. This "sex talk" is sort of a paraphilia for you.

It's quite interesting that the homosexuals and homophiles set up religious views of homosexuality as a straw man, and attack the religious aspect, while avoiding other aspects of homosexuality and homosexual behavior as incongruent with "sexuality" based on sexual reproduction involving sperm and an ovum, when the members to faux intercourse don't have that sperm-ovum unit between them being limited to two sperm or two ova. It's an unfortunate unnatural deviation that afflicts some people for whom many of us have great compassion. But that does not cause us to deny reality and not identify misdirected drives as an impairment.

#134 | Posted by jackass at 2009-07-25 07:49 PM

Johnson honest question. In your professional opinion, if you took 5000 whites and 5000 blacks would their intelligence levels be the same or would one group be higher than another. This would be a random group of 5000 from all walks of life.

The scores of the white group would be higher.

Do you dispute this? On what basis?

Why MissEsmerelda, always stimulating to have your feisty presence around. Lean back and relax. I'm here. No need to remain on the edge of your seat.

Just a little note on the extravagant exercises in which elitists engage to avoid disparity in results in address of racial matters.

Here the mission of the Naval Academy is asserted to be diversity rather than producing the best force available to provide the greatest and most effective application of military might for this country.

economics.gmu.edu

Excerpt:

Admiral Gary Roughead, chief of Naval Operations, says that "diversity is the No. 1 priority" at the academy.

*********************

Unbelievable.

Because of the circumstances described in the article I avoid black professionals on the basis that it is likely they were admitted and passed with inferior qualifications. This does a great disservice to those who have the qualifications, but cannot be distinguished as such.

By the way Jackass, I'd bet the farm on the result and give huge odds to you. The statistical probability of the result approximates a certainty for all practical purposes.

Sorry that your ideologically compelled beliefs and reality are incompatible.

Why MissEsmerelda, always stimulating to have your feisty presence around. Lean back and relax. I'm here. No need to remain on the edge of your seat.

#139 | Posted by Johnson


MissEsmerelda did indeed seem to pine for your presence, Johnny, per this earlier post of hers --
I'm sure Johnson's dreaming up a 1000 word diatribe on that subject right now......I personally am at the edge of my seat waiting for this one...lol!

#135 | Posted by missesmerelda


Judging by the fair number of her own "diatribes" here on DR, could it be you have truly met your cybersoulmate? *grin*

Thomas Sowell has something to say regarding "affirmative action" and "gay marriage."

www.jewishworldreview.com

Affirmative Action and Gay ‘Marriage’

By Thomas Sowell

The politically clever way to get special privileges is to call them "rights"— especially "equal rights."

Some local election campaigns in various states are using that tactic this year, trying to get special privileges through affirmative action quotas or through demands that the definition of marriage be changed to suit homosexuals.

Equality of rights does not mean equality of results. I can have all the equal treatment in the world on a golf course and I will not finish within shouting distance of Tiger Woods.

When arbitrary numerical "goals" or "quotas" under affirmative action are not met, the burden of proof is put on the employer to prove that he did not discriminate against minorities or women. No burden of proof whatever is put on the advocates of "goals" or "quotas" to show that people would be equally represented in jobs, colleges or anywhere else in the absence of discrimination.

Tons of evidence from countries around the world, and over centuries of history, show that statistical disparities are the rule, not the exception— even in situations where discrimination is virtually impossible.

Anonymously graded tests do not show the same results from one group to another. In many countries there are minorities who completely outperform members of the majority population, whether in education, in the economy or in sports, even when there is no way that they can discriminate against the majority.

Putting the burden of proof on everybody except yourself is a slick political ploy. The time is long overdue for the voting public to see through it.

Another fraud on the ballot this year is gay "marriage."

Marriage has existed for centuries and, until recent times, it has always meant a union between a man and a woman. Over those centuries, a vast array of laws has grown up, all based on circumstances that arise in unions between a man and a woman.

Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes said that law has not been based on logic but on experience. To apply a mountain of laws based specifically on experience with relations between a man and a woman to a different relationship where sex differences are not involved would be like applying the rules of baseball to football.

The argument that current marriage laws "discriminate" against homosexuals confuses discrimination against people with making distinctions among different kinds of behavior.

All laws distinguish among different kinds of behavior. What other purpose does law have?

While people may be treated the same, all their behaviors are not. Laws that forbid bicycles from being ridden on freeways obviously have a different effect on people who have bicycles but no cars.

But this is not discrimination against a person. The cyclist who gets into a car is just as free to drive on the freeway as anybody else.

The question is not whether gays should be permitted to marry. Many gays have already married people of the opposite sex. Conversely, heterosexuals who might want to marry someone of the same sex in order to make some point will be forbidden to do so, just as gays are.

(cont.)

(cont.)

The real issue is whether marriage should be redefined— and, if for gays, why not for polygamists? Why not for pedophiles?

Despite heavy television advertising in California for "gay marriage," showing blacks being set upon by police dogs during civil right marches, and implying that homosexuals face the same discrimination today, the analogy is completely false.

Blacks had to sit in the back of the bus because they were black. They were doing exactly what white people were doing— riding a bus. That is what made it racial discrimination.

Marriage is not a right but a set of legal obligations imposed because the government has a vested interest in unions that, among other things, have the potential to produce children, which is to say, the future population of the nation.

Gays were on their strongest ground when they said that what they did was nobody else's business. Now they are asserting a right to other people's approval, which is wholly different.

None of us has a right to other people's approval.

#142 | Posted by califchris at 2009-07-25 10:02 PM

Judging by the fair number of her own "diatribes" here on DR, could it be you have truly met your cybersoulmate? *grin*

Chris, two things come to the fore. First and foremost, you know that we are all in love with you, the warmhearted, hotblooded, but elusive and mysterious and enchanting Chris.

And I was chagrined when I was relegated by MissEsmerelda to 1000 word posts. I'm more prolix than that. I suppose that it was a subtle nuanced put down.

By the way Chris, I'm know that I'm just a peripheral admirer. One of many. I recognize that you and Goatman are soul mates and that I am consigned to having unrequited love. Alas.

...And I was chagrined when I was relegated by MissEsmerelda to 1000 word posts. I'm more prolix than that. I suppose that it was a subtle nuanced put down.

#145 | Posted by Johnson at 2009-07-25 10:13 PM

Or perhaps a subtle tease? lol

Perhaps.

Just stating that I was fairly certain you would respond and I was anticipating a whole big bunch of big words, asinine assertions, and bigoted double speak. I find you as entertaining as I would an insult comedian, but it doesn't mean I don't see through all of your posturing bullshit, Johnson.

Yes, I do go on. I admit it. Character flaw, I suppose. That and a really big mean streak. At least I admit it. No skin off my ass if someone cheerfully(or not) calls me on it:)

What's wrong with black socks and sandals?!?

And I was chagrined when I was relegated by MissEsmerelda to 1000 word posts. I'm more prolix than that.
#145 | Posted by Johnson

........brevity is the soul of wit........

.....your long posts are proof positive that you are witless.....

What's wrong with black socks and sandals?!?
.......#150 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

......can't get laid if you go out on a date......

......can't get laid if you go out on a date......

Women don't judge me by my socks. *grin*

and their inability to recognize how disturbed they are, certainly is remarkable.
.........#132 | Posted by Johnson

......yes Johnson.......it is remarkable......

Women don't judge me by my socks. *grin*
......#153 | Posted by goatman

......if you're blogging at 5:30 am after a Saturday night, I'm guessing they do........

...if you're blogging at 5:30 am after a Saturday night, I'm guessing they do........

I'm not sure I see the connection, but assuming it's true, you get judged by your socks?

I'm not sure I see the connection, but assuming it's true, you get judged by your socks?

#156 | Posted by goatman

......this is prime get'sum time.......

......but I have made the faux pas of wearing socks & sandals and have been corrected by the fashion-nazis at work....

You know what, skiz -- I say fuck the fasion nazis. I wear what's comfortable (I find sandals sans socks more comfortable btw) for me, not their eyes.

........good on ya........gotta go eat something...

......later.....

gotta go eat something...

Me, too. Strips of swine flesh pan fried until crispy. MMMMMMM!

They just go to hear the "homoly."

One of the local Universalist-Unitarian churches in my community boasts that it welcomes all people and is a sanctuary. Thet parade their attitude as virtuous and are actually quite sanctimonious regarding their particular outlook comparing themselves favorably to others not similarly disposed. Humility where art thous? The Minister herself is a self-aggrandizing female who has been mutilated surgically and takes hormones to display some outward male characteristics such as a beard. She is also obese, which may be attributable to her hormone regime.
The extent to which such people go to maintain the pretense that their desperate efforts to alter their bodies transforms them into something they are not is pathetic. It does not reflect normal behavior, and their inability to recognize how disturbed they are, certainly is remarkable.
I can understand homosexuals seeking communion with others of like nature. You need to wonder, however, regarding the outreach by "normals" to gather in a religious setting with a distinguished group, whose nexus is sexual behavior and in the extreme self-mutilation.
#132 | Posted by Johnson at 2009-07-25 06:56 PM

Like being "born again" isn't symbolic total re-construction?

You are the most sanctimonious of us all and quite the Christsucker, from what I can read.

How do you feel about men wearing jewelry - particularly earrings? Does that simply endorse "gayness" and effeminate the otherwise masculine vag-plundering identity of the breedership?

What about gay kids? Should they be dealt with by not allowing them to join gay clubs. scholastic activities and reindeer games? I mean, it's obvious they won't be employable in the Christian world or produce offspring - why not just cut the cord ASAP and put them through "straightening"? Medical procedures have come a long way to produce the perfect Christian, and I'm certain every family with an abomination child would be interested in any help provided. Otherwise, maybe the most humane thing is for gays to be dissected and sold as parts for real humans who continue breeding fundamentalist Christians..

#162 | Posted by redlightrobot at 2009-07-26 02:52 PM

What about gay kids?

I suspect that the impulse to engage in homosexual behavior exists on some sort of a continuum with some people "on the cusp," so to speak. The "nurture" aspect undoubtedly plays a role in this, and I would prefer that "kids" not be put in a situation which irretrievably commits them to homosexual conduct, which is unnatural and removes them from the mainstream of society.
Should they be dealt with by not allowing them to join gay clubs. scholastic activities and reindeer games?

I am not concerned that committed homosexuals enjoy the company and support of their own fellows, and would urge them to do so. It is not my place to question their recreational activity, or to suggest that they not engage in "reindeer games," or whatever depravity might stimulate them. I try to refrain from intruding in peoples' private undertakings so long as they do not transgress and intrude on others.
I mean, it's obvious they won't be employable in the Christian world ...

This is a revelation to me.
... or produce offspring ...

Certainly true if they don't have sexual relations with members of the opposite sex.
... - why not just cut the cord ASAP and put them through "straightening"?

Do you think that "straightening" entails surgical mutiliation to conform them to the gender they fantasize they "truly" are? What do you mean? I reject mutilation as an indication of severe emotional and/or mental disturbance, and would ban such procedures and imprison any practitioner exploiting vulnerable individuals by mutilating them.
Medical procedures have come a long way to produce the perfect Christian, and I'm certain every family with an abomination child would be interested in any help provided.

Oh course, any decent and caring family would seek help for a disabled or impaired child. If the condition is such that the sufferer is able to be cured, "Hosanna."
Otherwise, maybe the most humane thing is for gays to be dissected and sold as parts for real humans who continue breeding fundamentalist Christians..

You realize of course, that this bizarre ideation that you set forth originates with you and is a product of your own mind, not anything suggested by anyone else. I suggest that you look inward to try to understand what prompts you to engage in these fantasies and attribute them to others as if you are answering others proposals rather than engaging in a conversation with yourself.

#151 | Posted by skizziks at 2009-07-26 05:09 AM

And I was chagrined when I was relegated by MissEsmerelda to 1000 word posts. I'm more prolix than that.

#145 | Posted by Johnson

........brevity is the soul of wit........

.....your long posts are proof positive that you are witless.....


Well, that might be true for me, skizziks, but I'm certainly glad that Shakespeare did not feel it necessary to abide by his own caution.

Johnson goes easy, "... I'm certainly glad Shakespeare did not feel it necessary to abide by his own caution."

They think 'wit' has another meaning other than 'humor' in this instance, and as their misdirected 'insult' demonstrates. They inevitably hold themselves up to ridicule in this way by doing so.

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