Completely unrelated to this article but I was just taking my German Sheppard for a walk at the park tonight. I started talking to a woman about her lab/sheppard mix. She told me a story of how she (the dog)got her out of bed early in the morning a couple of weeks ago and was acting really weird and kept crying. She took her outside for a walk and the dog stopped. She went to go back inside and the dog started crying again. She walked the dog a bit more and heard a crash in her house. She ran back inside and found the roof had collapsed in her bedroom.

I LOVED the movie "Old Yeller"
That was great. I see Frankin knows his stuff.

This is objectively a good idea, but I give it about 24 hours at best before right-wing blogs start mocking Franken for this.

JohnnyHotcake

So many times you hear of animals having an "extra sense" when it comes to being aware of an impending danger and then going to great lengths to warn their owner about it. Your story is a perfect example.

This is objectively a good idea, but I give it about 24 hours at best before right-wing blogs start mocking Franken for this.

We all know that if it was a Republican Senator who made this his legislative goal, the left would be on their feet giving a standing ovation and asking themselves, "Why didn't we think of this?"

I LOVED the movie "Old Yeller"

Not many songs make me cry, but this one did.

So many times you hear of animals having an "extra sense" when it comes to being aware of an impending danger and then going to great lengths to warn their owner about it.

Young children do to. One time my 4 or 5 YO son and I were out in my jeep. It started to rain fiercely, so I pulled into a car wash I happened to pass. My son had seen storms, so this didn't bother him at first.

Then suddenly he got very upset and said, "dad, we have to leave here". I couldn't because it was raining so fiercely and I didn't have the top on the jeep. He was quite adamant and to the point of crying. I couldn't console him. A minute or two later I saw a funnel cloud form almost directly over us. It dipped down and up, but never quite made the ground.

The only thing I can figure out is that his sensitive ear drums felt the drop in pressure and triggered some sort of primordial response.

I LOVED the movie "Old Yeller"
That was great. I see Frankin knows his stuff.

#2 | Posted by manmail at 2009-07-21 12:00 AM | Reply | Flag:

This is objectively a good idea, but I give it about 24 hours at best before right-wing blogs start mocking Franken for this.

#3 | Posted by Enfilade at 2009-07-21 12:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

LOL. Why wait for the other blogs? Some asshole will do it here while you are typing your comment.

BTW, anyone have the stats on how many USO tours and visits Franken did for our troops in the ME over the last decade vs. some of the most vocal "patriots" we hear on our radios and TVs every fucking day of the week?

BTW, anyone have the stats on how many USO tours and visits Franken did for our troops in the ME over the last decade vs. some of the most vocal "patriots" we hear on our radios and TVs every fucking day of the week?

Does the parental control on your PC block google.com?

That's a cool story Goat. Reminds me of when I saw the movie Irreversible at the theater. I got so nauseous during the first few minutes of the film I had to step out into the lobby while my date who picked the film was fine.

I later found out that the director had deliberately made the first 20 minutes or so of the background audio in the movie to mimic the frequency of an earthquake and that my reaction to the film was not all that uncommon. What I found especially interesting was that I, at that time, had never been in an earthquake so it had to be a purely instinctive reaction on my part.

It evidently does on yours, Goatman.

You should know that I posed a rhetorical question, knowing the answer. Look it up and clue your ignorant ass in.

Look it up and clue your ignorant ass in.

???

Why should I? I don't really care.

I'll be damned Goat.

In MT tornadoes are very seldom seen.

I was taking my 4 year old daughter fishing. I saw the thunderheads so we decided against fishing and I told her we'd go storm chasing instead. She was up for it until she covered her ears from the hail on the truck. Fuck me. I headed out of there truly scared. We don't get a tornado but about every 10 years. Guess I picked the wrong time to go storm chasing with my daughter. No one hurt but that funnel was close. Very.

Maggie still remembers that trip to this day and, dogshit, my wife was pissed!

Again fuck me for that one.

"It evidently does on yours, Goatman. "

First post of the night from Betelg, and the anklebiter is right there. He's all yours, dude. He's been sniffing my ass all day. Your turn.

Why should I? I don't really care.

#12 | Posted by goatman at 2009-07-21 12:27 AM | Reply | Flag:

You never seem to care about information or facts that disrupt your casual understanding of the world. In that respect you are a true conservative.

On thread.

Good for Al. A dog will treat a vet much better than our beloved government.

You never seem to care about information or facts that disrupt your casual understanding of the world.

Yea, like knowing how many USO shows Franken has done is really going to rock my world, boyd.

fuck

Nullifidian-
Oh, I know. If Goatman is around, it doesn't matter on what thread I post. He's right there at my ankle.

A prime example is this thread. My first post had nothing to do with Goatman or any of his comments, but his next post was at my ankle.

Grrrrr!

AND beetlefart.

Why can't you talk on thread?

He's been sniffing my ass all day.

Translation:

"He caught me in an error and I, being the eunuch that I am, would not admit he was right. It embarrassed me, so I just kept calling him names as is my style hoping no one would notice. I hate facts"

Wurster-
Did you have an actual criticism of Franken's idea about service dogs for wounded vets?

I'd love to hear it.

Still obsessing about that grammar thing, eh Goattroll? LOL. You ought to get a life.

Still obsessing about that grammar thing, eh Goattroll?

I'm not obsessing about the grammar thing (did I mention it?) I'm obsessing about your inability to admit when you are wrong.

Beetlefart

If I had a criticism of Al on this matter I would have said so.

I'll repeat.

Good for Al. A dog will treat a vet much better than our beloved government.

Obsession

That's good for him....about his level....

I hate to disappoint you, boyd, but I think it's great. He hasn't the capacity to deal with the more complex issues that our nation faces. As jonryker said, it's about his level. This will keep him busy while the big boys tackle the real issues.

I say, GO AL!

Good for Al. A dog will treat a vet much better than our beloved government.

#24 | Posted by wurster at 2009-07-21 12:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

That's about the depth of commentary I would expect from a churlish drunk on a bar stool. Thanks for living up to my expectations of you.

There are a few problems with your comment, aside from its lack of content. For starters, it would be the gov't, funded by taxpayers, providing the service dogs for severely wounded vets.

Uh-oh.

First crack out of the box, Franken suggests something that is simple, cheap, effective and makes sense.

Can't have that in Congress, now can we?

Goatman-
re: He hasn't the capacity to deal with the more complex issues that our nation faces.

Right. Mitigating the damage, and providing a clever resource to wounded veterans is a morons game.

There are much more important issues for true patriots....

He hasn't the capacity to deal with the more complex issues that our nation faces.

Yeah, a degree from Harvard in political science,What an idiot?

Goatman-
re: This will keep him busy while the big boys tackle the real issues.

What would you suggest are the more important, or "real" issues that are well above care for the people we send to fight and die for the various wars you support?

At short list of the "real issues" that are above care for veterans at your leisure, Goatman...

First crack out of the box, Franken suggests something that is simple, cheap, effective and makes sense.

Except its chickenshit posturing designed to give a talking point to left-wing scum like yourself in your future efforts to defend him.

Right. Mitigating the damage, and providing a clever resource to wounded veterans is a morons game.

There are much more important issues for true patriots

I said I was all for it, boyd.

You're never satisfied with my answers, are you?

OK, I think it's a horrible idea. Are you happy now?

For fucks sake, boyd -- grow up.

Franken For Prez 2016!!!

Why do we need a Senate bill to get dogs for wounded veterans, Boyd?

What would you suggest are the more important, or "real" issues that are well above care for the people we send to fight and die for the various wars you support?

Well, since I don't support any wars, I can't answer that question, boyd.

Goatman-

What's more important than taking care of the people we send to fight for you? You know, the "real issues"?

There are a few problems with your comment, aside from its lack of content. For starters, it would be the gov't, funded by taxpayers, providing the service dogs for severely wounded vets.

Dogs don't care about tax money.

And yeah. I've spent my time on a bar stool. I drink beer with my vets. VFW Post 2986. Polson, MT. Come have a beer with us some time.

Well, since I don't support any wars, I can't answer that question, boyd.

#38 | Posted by goatman at 2009-07-21 01:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

OK. YOU don't support any wars, so care for veterans isn't really your responsibility.

That's odd.

Franken For Prez 2016!!!

What kind of idiot endorses someone for president whose entire political career can be measured in the low double digit number of days and whose one and only goal as a public servand is to provide dogs for veterans?

Oh. Moder8. Of course.

OK. YOU don't support any wars, so care for veterans isn't really your responsibility.

That's odd.

Actually what's odd is your leaps of logic.

How much is tuition at the buffalo bob's school of reasoning anyway?

Dogs don't care about tax money.

But you do, even if it goes to wounded vets who put their asses on the line?

At what point does your ideology line up with common sense? Does it happen much?

Thank you, Wurster.

Now if he said give them a cat you might have a caseLOL

What's more important than taking care of the people we send to fight for you?

Making sure your chickenshit efforts to do so are carefully crafted to ensure the greatest amount of positive, fuzzy-wuzzy media coverage to you nascent political career.

Goatman-
That's just weird. I support vets who served even in wars I thought were horrible mistakes by our leadership. The people who get shot at and blown apart don't make the decisions.

What's just weird, boyd?

I support everyone -- not only vets. That's why I think solving the country's economic problems are a priority. Everyone -- vets, housewives, janitors, airline pilots, convenience store clerks, geologists, manicurists -- benefits from a strong economy

Come on Goat.

I'm happy he's out there getting dogs for vets. The more these lawmakers write law the more horrid things will get. We'd all be a lot better off if all of them would just go to the dogs.

"Making sure your chickenshit efforts to do so are carefully crafted to ensure the greatest amount of positive, fuzzy-wuzzy media coverage to you nascent political career."

Don't be such a partisan hack, if that's possible. Every politician likes fuzzy wuzzy media and does stunts to gain it.

Good night folks. It seems the drunk 'Obama is a Kenyan/marxist/antichrist' element has decided to stumble in, which is my cue to leave.

We'd all be a lot better off if all of them would just go to the dogs.

FF

Goatman
re: ...and whose one and only goal as a public servand is to provide dogs for veterans?

I really don't understand why you belittle that as not a "real issue".

Fuck off, and good night.

Well, since I don't support any wars, I can't answer that question, boyd.

#38 | Posted by goatman

Unless they line your pockets due to the price of a barrell of oil going out of control

#44 | Posted by BetelG

Of course I care about tax money. I don't make much and the money our government and my state takes from me would make a shit ton of difference in my family's circumstance.

Speaking of state my MT has a 600 mill $$$ surplus and what about yours? (Governor, D, two senators, D, and one rep, R.)

Anyhow. I don't think I really said anything on this thread that you have any reason to argue accept for the fact that you, Beetlefart, are just another angry liberal. No facts. Just anger.

"Except its chickenshit posturing designed to give a talking point to left-wing scum like yourself in your future efforts to defend him."

Doesn't sound like chickenshit posturing to me. Chickenshit posturing is when you go on TV or make a speech talking your tremendous concern for vets and either voting against everything that might actually benefit them or doing nothing at all.

And there's a whole lotta that going around.

I really don't understand why you belittle that as not a "real issue".

I really don't understand why you took my quote out of context -- which changed the entire meaning. But that's what you do, so I'm used to it.

Fuck off, and good night.

Good night, boyd

Unless they line your pockets due to the price of a barrell of oil going out of control

I assume goat gets paid the same no matter what the price of a barrel

I think this is a great idea.

Ok...flame away! : )

I assume goat gets paid the same no matter what the price of a barrel

I am.

Goat except if oil is replaced with a renewable form of energy you would be out of a job.

Goat except if oil is replaced with a renewable form of energy you would be out of a job.

Mind like a steel trap

Then suddenly he got very upset and said, "dad, we have to leave here". I couldn't because it was raining so fiercely and I didn't have the top on the jeep. He was quite adamant and to the point of crying. I couldn't console him. A minute or two later I saw a funnel cloud form almost directly over us. It dipped down and up, but never quite made the ground.
...
The only thing I can figure out is that his sensitive ear drums felt the drop in pressure and triggered some sort of primordial response.

#7 | Posted by goatman at 2009-07-21 12:10

I read where very young children will sometimes associate a storm darkened sky with a sense of "impending doom" -- (those were the words used). Did the sky darken rapidly and become much darker than it normally would in a regular storm? You said he'd been in storms before, but I doubt you had him outdoors like you were that time. Your son probably always experienced rain storms from within the safety of his home or inside of a car. This time he was outdoors so there was no "feeling of protection" surrounding him. (Hope I'm making sense here.)

Also a primordial response may have kicked in -- just as you said. Very young children often react differently than adults do when a "fight or flee" response is triggered. Being so small and defenseless their first reaction is always "to flee" knowing it's not ever possible for them "to fight" (whatever it is they're fearing).

Maybe a combination of some or all of those variables? After all, your son was barely more than a toddler when this storm happened. If I was there at the time and got scared enough I'd probably be crying right along with him. lol

Yeah, a degree from Harvard in political science,What an idiot?

what was his GPA? Because that's what is really important.

stopped by a farm once and saw a pig with a wooden leg,asked the farmer how that came about he said the house was on fire the pig ran up made so much noise that he woke us all up,saved our lives,asked the farmer was that how the pig got his wooden leg,farmer said no stupid everybody knows you don't eat a pig that smart all at once.

Yeah, a degree from Harvard in political science,What an idiot?

#31 | Posted by bruceaz at 2009-07-21 12:57 AM | Reply |

Bush has an MBA from Yale. Were you equally respectful?

"Bush has an MBA from Yale."

#66 | Posted by vernon at 2009-07-21 08:28 AM | Reply | Flag: idiot

Mind like a steel trap

#62 | Posted by goatman at 2009-07-21 02:10 AM | Reply

I would think your skills and experience would transfer easy enough -- though I find it hilarious that JackAss thinks we'll wean ourselves from petroleum in his lifetime.

He hasn't the capacity to deal with the more complex issues that our nation faces.

Jeepers considering none of the Phd's on the right side of the aisle have thought of this previously that means that they were either too stupid to have thought of it or didn't give two shits about the soldiers after they have returned home.

Take you pick.

what was his GPA? Because that's what is really important.

He attended Harvard College and graduated cum laude in 1973 with a bachelor of arts degree in political science.

Bush has an MBA from Yale.
#66 | Posted by vernon

Give those absinthe and ginger ale cocktails a rest.

Does the parental control on your PC block google.com?

#9 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2009-07-21 12:23 AM | REPLY | FLAG:
The beginning of a rough night for Goat.

It's ok goat- some questions can be posed to be answered by the listener. It's a valid communication device; to make the listener learn something himself. Something that evidently could never happen to you.

You're smart enough to know that. Unfortunately, You've turned into such an obtuse 'for the sake of it' poster- throwing out your 'clever' insults whenever possible. Oh- but have a story that you find apropos to the headline and you expect people to give a shit.

This board can be a place for intelligent discussion, but too often it's a place for idiotic posts by people who know better how to communicate. Too bad.

Bush has an MBA from Yale. Were you equally respectful?

#66 | Posted by vernon at 2009-07-21 08:28 AM |

Bush's "name" got him that degree.

Bush has an MBA from Yale.
#66 | Posted by vernon

Give those absinthe and ginger ale cocktails a rest.

#71 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2009-07-21 09:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

Take your own fucking advice -- but instead of absinthe you should start with the generic vodka and Big K Cola.

"It costs on average about $20,000 to train a service dog and another $5,000 to place the dog with the veteran."

Since our government has so much money to spare, I say go for it. Franken wants to train a "statistically significant number of dogs." So, 1,000 maybe? Hey, that's only 25 million dollars. Chump change compared to what Obama and Geithner blow through in any given day.

Bush's "name" got him that degree.

#73 | Posted by jerrytarkanian at 2009-07-21 09:24 AM | Reply

Bush's name got him the admission. It's called a legacy admission.

If he graduated because of his legacy, prove it. Or shut the fuck up.

Bush has an MBA from Yale.
#66 | Posted by vernon| Flag: IGNORANT

#66 | Posted by vernon at 2009-07-21 08:28 AM | Reply | Flag: idiot

#67 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2009-07-21 08:29 AM | Reply

Traslation: I have no intelligent response -- the facts are against my narrow political bigotry. But I hate it if Bush gets any positive credit. So, I must say anything, no matter how stupid!

Well done ZAT!

Bush has an MBA from Yale.
#66 | Posted by vernon| Flag: IGNORANT

#77 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2009-07-21 09:47 AM | Reply | Flag: TRUTH HURTS

Vermin, you hot-shot prolific "writer," do yourself a favor: Put your painful need for a calculator on the back burner, lay aside the bucket of fried whatever it is that makes your girth a target of public amusement, stop pouring that cheap booze down your gullet, cinch up your pantaloons, waddle on down to the nearest bazaar and treat yourself to the services of a fact checker. It won't make you any more intelligent but it might allow you not to reveal yourself as an uninformed boob.

Franken's commitment to the troops is legit. He's been doing USO tours for many years.

This is a really good bill to start your legislative career with. My compliments to the clown.

the services of a fact checker.... but it might allow you not to reveal yourself as an uninformed boob.

#80 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2009-07-21 09:57 AM | Reply

Drunk_Sarvis,

Nobody really cares about your whining, so I'll save your pathetic, tiny level of dignity.

BUSH earned an MBA from YALE. What part of that sentence do you not understand, even as an uninformed boob?

And please, waddle out of your mom's house and find a fact checker: One more time: BUSH GOT AN MBA FROM YALE. It's a fact.

If you do not understand that statement (and that would be one symptom of chronic alcohol poisoning) all you hafta do is ask.

"BUSH earned an MBA from YALE. "

#82 | Posted by vernon at 2009-07-21 10:06 AM | Reply | Flag: idiot

Harvard.
His B.A. in History is from Yale.
You could use a good lashing.

My compliments to the clown.

As someone who would like the opportunity to shake Frankens hand someday, it would be a sincere handshake because of this legislation. A complete reversal from wanting to break his hand if given the chance. Got to hand it to him, dogs have an amazing effect on the physical and mentally challenged. Hope the Gov. doesn't fuck this up.

One more time: BUSH GOT AN MBA FROM YALE. It's a fact.
#82 | Posted by vernon

Really? Let's see now...George H.W. Bush got a bachelor's degree in economics from Yale and no additional earned degrees. George W. Bush received a bachelor's degree from Yale with a major in history (ah, sweet irony), and an MBA from Harvard Business School.

I think you get this morning's "Full of Shit" flag, Vermin. Congratulations. It'll be a nice addition to your burgeoning collection.

Beginning in the fall of 1973, Bush attended the Harvard Business School, where he earned an MBA. He is the only U.S. President to have earned an MBA.[25]

OK, I made a mistake.

Bush's undergraduate degree was from Yale.

His MBA was from HARVARD -- same as Franken.

I admit my mistake --- when have you admitted a minor mistake, Drunk_Sarvis? Tell us when, and post the links, or shut the fuck up.

Bush earned his master's degree from Harvard -- same as Franken. So the original question is even more precise: When did you show the same respect for Bush's academics?

When?

Now, Drunk_Sarvis, pour another 20-ounce glass of generic vodka and try to change the subject.

"I admit my mistake" - Two hours later.

"when have you admitted a minor mistake" - Often.

"post the links" - Oh, not here very often, Vermin, because (a) I don't actually keep a score and archive the posts, and (b) I usually try and check my facts so I don't look as foolish as you do now.

It's not that you made a mistake, Vermin; it's that you were so typically obnoxious about what you erroneously proclaimed to be "a fact."

Now, go back and loll about in that pathetic, lonely existence you call your "life."

Franken is an idiot! Why don't they spend that $25k on job training for all Vets no matter what age? A person's self respect and attitude are directly related to their ability to make a living.
They already get free medical including Psychiatric and Psychological therapy. A dog is a lot of responsibility. Is Franken going obligate the governement to supply dog food and pay the vet bills too? Absolutely moronic idea. If a Veteran places their lives on the line for this country, they are owed a debt for a lifetime. It does not matter whether they served during wartime or peacetime. The fact is that they were trained, ready and obligated to respond at any given moment to place themselves in harms way to protect this nation's security. I say give veterans a lifetime window to use 4 years of education for education and should not be limited to a 10 or 15 year window to use the educational benefit. The government says the mission of the VHA (Veterans Health Administration) is to treat all veterans equally with dignity and respect. The VHA should also provide free dental to veterans and not just special groups due to the fact that it is a medical fact that dental health is directly related to the bodies overall health. An oral inection due to lack of access to dental care can cause a person to have a stroke or heart attack. Treat ALL Veterans equally and respect those who serve this country. WAKE UP FRANKEN! Great idea but, put the money where it will be proactive unless, you are going to buy the food and pay for the dog's medical care, including dental care. How many Veteranarians will the VHA have to hire to care for the dogs that the VA buys for the veterans. I bet he has a bunch of friends who are Veteranarians or he has an interest in an organic dog food company.
My idea makes more sense than Mr. Franken's.

He is the only U.S. President to have earned an MBA.[25]

Well that certainly does explain his expertise in running the nation.

1 of 100 in Senate and this is his priority. Nice idea, but this is something a house member could work on.

Franken gets +2 for the thought. But -10 for the concept that the government should be funding it.

*sigh*

But -10 for the concept that the government should be funding it.

Yes, because it's not like they were injured while serving our country.

Another wing ding that does not give two shits about the troops.

*sigh*

1 of 100 in Senate and this is his priority.

*sigh*

See #92.

Bush has an MBA from Yale.
#66 | Posted by vernon| Flag: IGNORANT

#77 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2009-07-21 09:47 AM | Reply | Flag: TRUTH HURTS

#79 | Posted by vernon

you owe me $2 for use of my name.

WOW

thanks minnesota for sending this genius to washington....

you owe me $2 for use of my name.

#94 | Posted by truthhurts at 2009-

AHHHHHHHHH

how long have you been waiting to use that line??

too long.

for a minimal cut I will do what I can to get some more out...

But -10 for the concept that the government should be funding it.

Yes, because it's not like they were injured while serving our country.

Another wing ding that does not give two shits about the troops.

*sigh*

#92 | Posted by 726 at 2009-07-21 03:50 PM | Reply | Flag: FIGURES

What does that have to do with dogs from the government? Jesus Christ, there are programs already in place that do this.

Typical Alinskyite and what a fraud. You couldn't care less about our Vets. Next time, try to stay on topic.

"i wonder how this comedian felt when BHO wanted to charge vets for the medical care of service related injuries."

When the hell was that???

Just making shit up like usual.

Typical Alinskyite

I have been a liberal Democrat since the days of Jack Kennedy. I had never heard the name Alinsky before the last election.

I think most liberals could honestly say the same thing. Alinksy was an obscure academic and not in the political mainstream at all.

If the GOP is ever to recover, they will have to get their habit of telling bald-faced lies under control. It has severely undermined their credibility with independent voters.

the republican party just needs to ask BHO how to lie properly, with elan and grace. maybe then the independents will buy their BS too. i sure hope this hope and change experience wakes them up. we sure need to tire of being lied to at every turn.

did you click the link Danni? or did you ignore it since it does not conform to your view of the world? take the blinds off.

A good idea--but another pork project all the same.

Isn't this something done by the private sector?

Wonder if Al or his friends owns the dog training camp?

Peta has plenty of dogs, Al. Get to barking buddy before peta puts a needle in 99 percent of them again this year.

EDB- You apparently didn't even read (or understand )your own lihk. The consideration was, and there was no official proposal to create such a program, to charge the private insurance provider IF the vet already had such insurance, not the vet themself.

""No official proposal to create such a program has been announced publicly, but veterans groups wrote a pre-emptive letter last week to President Obama voicing their opposition to the idea after hearing the plan was under consideration.

The groups also cited an increase in "third-party collections" estimated in the 2010 budget proposal -- something they said could be achieved only if the Veterans Administration started billing for service-related injuries."

"The groups wrote a "preemptive letter???"

THis is an episode of "are you still beating your wife?"

Typical Alinskyite

I have been a liberal Democrat since the days of Jack Kennedy. I had never heard the name Alinsky before the last election.

I think most liberals could honestly say the same thing. Alinksy was an obscure academic and not in the political mainstream at all.

If the GOP is ever to recover, they will have to get their habit of telling bald-faced lies under control. It has severely undermined their credibility with independent voters.

#103 | Posted by silver_ironist at 2009-07-21 05:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

That's part of the beauty of the 'Alinsky way'...you don't know you are being indoctrinated into the methods he proposes...you just are because you see them and take them up.

As for Franken...it is just a "Straw Dog" he's putting up. No need to fund them...already private and other groups in place doing it. Spend the money on getting them better care instead.

And anytime you are motorcycling by, stop in with my brothers and share a brew.

"#109 | Posted by daprof at 2009-07-22 09:23 AM"

Alinsky was a real American, unlike authority worshiping rtards like you.

#108 | Posted by danni at 2009-07-21 10:10 PM

#107 | Posted by prozacboi at 2009-07-21 08:54 PM

i read the whole article. i guess neither of you read the first sentence.

"Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki confirmed Tuesday that the Obama administration is considering a controversial plan to make veterans pay for treatment of service-related injuries with private insurance."

do you have a deductible? do you have a limit to your private insurance coverage? who pays those? who pays the monthly premiums? twist and turn it all you want, but that IS charging the veteran. in addition, it is not the RESPONSIBILITY of the vet or his/her private insurance to cover service-related injuries. only a no-good POS president who hates his soldiers would even "consider" something like this. only a bunch of bleating-hearts would defend it.

Not sure if anyone else has thrown this out there but I recently read: " From Baghdad With Love" and it was a AWSOME tale of a Marine Sargent who's platoon finds a dog in Faluja and the struggle to get the dog to the USA. Gunna go get the follow up book : From Baghdad to American which is more about his experiences with Lava(the dog) in The USA and the readjustment to Civilian Life and dealing with Shell-Shock and such. Animals can do amazing things for a persons mental state.

Great idea.....why did it take a Harvard graduate in Mathmetcs to figure this out.

The dumb bastard doesn't know that vets don't eat dogs.

And it is sickening to see our Highest elected officials actually contemplate making the Vets pay with isurence thy have to go buy. WTF. I say we cut the pigs in Senate loose from the FED health care plan and use the savings to buy for the medical care of the vets. I mean there is not one Senator with a Net Worth of LESS than 1 million bucks. i think they can afford their own health insurance.

Yeah,

and make the fuckwads Wolfy, Rice, Rove, Rummy, Gonzo, Cheney, Addington and Shrub pay for it.

And everyone who vote for the Patriot act and Use of Force Auth to. The Dems have blood all over their hands too.