Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Tuesday, July 14, 2009

A Georgia soldier set for deployment to Afghanistan is making the legal claim that he doesn't have to go because Barack Obama is ineligible to be president by birth. U.S. Army Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook filed a request last week in federal court seeking a temporary restraining order and status as a conscientious objector.

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Charge him with Mutiny and send his useless Rtard ass to Fort Leavenworth.

Soldiers are only brave and patriotic when they spoke out against Bush!
-Limpwristed Pantpissers

Soldiers are only traitors when they speak out against Bush!
-Widestanced Pantdroppers

Back off, Stefan. If Obama is illegit, we get Biden.

In other news: as the water turns new orleans into a swamp. GLOBAL WARMING A LIE!

Hilarious - both the topic and RCade vs 101. Who needs the Roman circus!


........boy .....is this guy going to feel like an idiot when he's told.......

"A Georgia soldier set for deployment to Afghanistan is making the legal claim that he doesn't have to go because Barack Obama is ineligible to be president by birth. U.S. Army Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook filed a request last week in federal court seeking a temporary restraining order and status as a conscientious objector."

Good luck with that, soldier!

What a desperate fucking pussy. Afraid of deployment. They should kick his pussy ass out, because he's obviously afraid.

Wouldn't it be easier for him to just make out with a guy?

The court ruled that, while Obama is the President, this soldier no longer has to go because he does not meet the minimum required IQ for field operations and instead will be transfered to Planning and Logistics at the Pentagon.

He should just say he thinks the Afghan war is illegal and the lefties and canadians will trip over themselves claiming he's a hero!

Why the disparity lefties? Did he dare question the Chocolate Jesus?


He should just say he thinks the Afghan war is illegal and the lefties and canadians will trip over themselves claiming he's a hero!


Why the disparity lefties?

Well, one is based in reality and the other on World Nut Daily.


.......is the soldier refusing his paychecks from the military for the same reason ?........

and neither will be President Schwarzenegger...

Since this Country decided to have an all volunteer Military, I fear that we have gotten overzealous men an women in our Military. This group I believe have moved the military too to Far to the RIGHT. These Right Wing Partisans do no belong in the Military, this Major, as an Officer has the right to resign if he feels he cannot serve under the Democrat President. As long as he is in the service to this Country he doesn't have the right to decide when an where he will fight or be deployed. People have been Punished severely for refusing an Order during War time, this so call soldier should be treated no differently.....

Afghan war is illegal and the lefties and canadians will trip over themselves claiming he's a hero!

Why the disparity lefties?

Seems Canadians and the left support the war in afghanistan, in spite of Bush's losing it.

Why the delusions righties?

Is Cowardice still a crime in military setting? If so, he should be charged.

"Is Cowardice still a crime in military setting"

Not since "My Pet Goat".

Why the disparity lefties? Did he dare question the Chocolate Jesus?
#12 | Posted by 101Chairborne

It might have to do with one argument having its basis in the constitution and UCMJ, and the other being based on rumor.

If a soldier used this argument against bush, I'd laugh at him. there are better reasons to refuse deployment.

Why doesn't he just shoot his trigger finger off?

It might have to do with one argument having its basis in the constitution and UCMJ, and the other being based on rumor.


#20 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2009-07-14 03:06 PM | Reply

Both arguments have their basis in the Constitution and UCMJ.

If he feels the President isn't legally the Commander in Chief, he is not bound by the Constitution or UCMJ to follow illegal orders.

I don't happen to think it's a wise decision, but it's no less "patriotic" than the other soldiers that stood up against Bush and the limpwrists swooned over.

Wouldn't it be easier for him to just make out with a guy?
#10 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

LOL... you really don't get how much of a stigma that can be, joker.


Why doesn't he just shoot his trigger finger off?

#21 | Posted by panchovilla at 2009-07-14 03:10 PM | Reply


What good would that do? He'd still have to deploy, and he'd still be eligible to fight.

There are amputees deployed for fucks sake.

"If he feels the President isn't legally the Commander in Chief, he is not bound by the Constitution or UCMJ to follow illegal orders."

When his natural born status is disproven, I'll support him. Until then, he's a lunatic and should be willing to stand by his beliefs and do his time in the brig.

I just hadn't heard you make any claims about his citizenship.

I just hadn't heard you make any claims about his citizenship.

#25 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2009-07-14 03:12 PM | Reply


I haven't (unless in jest). I think the people claiming that are fucking nuts.

The stupid fuck should be discharged as mentally unfit to serve. Anyone this fucking stupid deserves to be dipped in shit and sued for stinking.

The average IQ of Georgia will go up a notch when this asshole leaves.

I haven't (unless in jest). I think the people claiming that are fucking nuts.
#26 | Posted by 101Chairborne

then we're of the same mind. I'd be quicker to support his decision if it was based on arguments similar to those made by refuseniks during the bush admin.

World Nut Daily's coverage is great!

Cook told WND he's ready, willing and able to carry out the military needs of the United States, but he raised the challenge to Barack Obama's eligibility to be president because if he would be captured by enemy forces while serving overseas under the orders of an illegitimate president, he could be considered a "war criminal."

As an officer in the armed forces of the United States, it is [my] duty to gain clarification on any order we may believe illegal. With that said, if President Obama is found not to be a 'natural-born citizen,' he is not eligible to be commander-in-chief," he told WND only hours after the case was filed.
www.wnd.com

May I reprint one part? This shows the depth of the stupidity of this person:

he raised the challenge to Barack Obama's eligibility to be president because if he would be captured by enemy forces while serving overseas under the orders of an illegitimate president, he could be considered a "war criminal."


What he says is true, in a fucked up, round-about way. He wants clarification.
He's going to be told to STFU, just like all of the whiners and pussies during Bush's admin, but isn't he brave and patriotic for taking this stand?

My 31 was in response to the 2nd paragraph in #29.

That part is true 101, but Obama is the recognized President and this guy must follow orders. Yes, if he questioned the legality of the war the left would love him, but the right would be condemning him instead.

Tell me how he could get that money for foreign students if he wasn't.

Show us the birth certificate. That would clear it up.

Tell me how he could get that money for foreign students if he wasn't.

#34 | Posted by Sniper

You are joking, right?

but isn't he brave and patriotic for taking this stand?
#31 | Posted by 101Chairborne

Yes, unless he's wrong about it.

Sniper,
Everything about Obama's time in school is pretty shadey IMO. I never understood the secrecy or the lack of questions from the media.
But just because the guy may have lied on an application or fudged the truth to get financial aid doesn't nullify his standing as the POTUS.

Charge him with Mutiny and send his useless Rtard ass to Fort Leavenworth.
#1 | Posted by frankf55

What a desperate fucking pussy. Afraid of deployment. They should kick his pussy ass out, because he's obviously afraid.
#9 | Posted by mOntecOre

As long as he is in the service to this Country he doesn't have the right to decide when an where he will fight or be deployed.
#16 | Posted by celisary

Is Cowardice still a crime in military setting? If so, he should be charged.
#18 | Posted by somoco

Enough about Watada, I thought this thread was about Major Cook.

Yes, unless he's wrong about it.

#36 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2009-07-14 03:33 PM | Reply


There's a very fine line between "stupidity and bravery" and "patriotism and retardation".

There's a very fine line between "stupidity and bravery" and "patriotism and retardation".
#39 | Posted by 101Chairborne

LOL, but agreed. That's some deep thought right there.

Everything about Obama's time in school is pretty shadey IMO. I never understood the secrecy or the lack of questions from the media.
But just because the guy may have lied on an application or fudged the truth to get financial aid doesn't nullify his standing as the POTUS.

#37 | Posted by 101Chairborne

Have Obama's Occidental College transcripts been released at all?
No, nor has any court of law "ordered" them released, according to Occidental College administrators.

Did Obama attend Occidental under the name "Barry Soetoro"?
No. Soetoro was the name of Obama's stepfather, but there's no evidence he attended college under that name. Fellow alumni quoted in the press remember him as "Barry Obama." An Occidental College spokesperson told FactCheck.org there are no records showing that Obama used his stepfather's last name.

Did Obama attend Occidental under a Fulbright Scholarship for Foreign Students?
No. According to various news sources, Obama did attend Occidental on a scholarship, but it wasn't a Fulbright, let alone a Fulbright Scholarship designated for foreign students. The Fulbright Foreign Student Program is for Master's Degree and Ph.D. candidates. Obama was an undergraduate.

urbanlegends.about.com

Enough about Watada, I thought this thread was about Major Cook.

I've been reading with mild amusement the double standards on this thread, too. I specifically remember celery lauding Watada for his 'bravery'. LOL

BTW, did you know celery changed her mind about Bush being guilty of war crimes? During the MJ thing, she was one of the most vociferous in declaring that MJ was innocent until proven guilty. So being the person of sound mind that she is...

OK, through laughing
...I'm sure she applies that maxime to all Americans, not just pedophiles.

"Show us the birth certificate. That would clear it up."

No it wouldn't, you'd just start claiming it was a forgery. Be honest, nothing would satisfy you and if by some miracle you were convinced on that issue you'd come up with another.
I know how you feel, I felt the same way for eight long years.

I know how you feel, I felt the same way for eight long years.
#43 | Posted by danni

Don't belittle your arguments after the fact.

"Show us the birth certificate. That would clear it up."

No it wouldn't, you'd just start claiming it was a forgery. Be honest, nothing would satisfy you and if by some miracle you were convinced on that issue you'd come up with another.
I know how you feel, I felt the same way for eight long years.

#43 | Posted by danni

Right. They've already been shown the official version that every person born in Hawaii receives, and claimed that it is fake.

Couldn't he have just claimed there were smokestacks on the moon?

He wants clarification.

This is pretty clear.

online.wsj.com

He IS the President.

It doesn't get much clearer than that.

I had a relative ask me about this issue....

I told him that even if the Birth Certificate issue folks are right, they are wrong anyway.

No one, not even the most rabid Obama hater, questions that his mother was, and remained a U.S. Citizen her entire life.

The only question is how old was she, and where was she when she gave birth.

Even if the Obama haters are right, they are still wrong. The reason why this is so, is because it would be legal nitpicking of the type that makes me hate liberals. Literal truth of law, and RAPE of the spirit of law.

I'm looking forward to Palin in 2012, but for now Obama is my president.

Why is this considered newsworthy? How about:

Soldier claims he does not have to report because Bush never did.

Soldier claims he does not have to report because Cheney is evil dark-side lord.

Soldier claims he does not have to report because he has become undertandably afraid of dying.

"Even if the Obama haters are right, they are still wrong. The reason why this is so, is because it would be legal nitpicking"

Legal nitpicking?

Wow.

Show us the birth certificate. That would clear it up.

#34 | Posted by Sniper

been there, done that. Nobody can help it if the righties are too afraid to accept reality.
###
and where was she when she gave birth.
Mccain's mother was in Panama. Obama's was in the great state of Hawaii.
Your point?

Snippy-www.factcheck.org


What he says is true, in a fucked up, round-about way. He wants clarification.
He's going to be told to STFU, just like all of the whiners and pussies during Bush's admin, but isn't he brave and patriotic for taking this stand?

#31 | Posted by 101Chairborne

No. Its not. According to International Law set forth in numerous ICJ opinions, the question of validity of domestic legal orders has no legal consequence in the international legal realm. Whether or not the law or order is legal in the domestic sphere is not up for dispute and does not have any legal bearing. Under international law, other countries have to treat it as legal under the US system.

So he's an idiot and wrong legally.

In reference to my post above,...

I simply don't buy that a year or so difference in age of Obama's mother at the time of his birth SHOULD make any difference.

To put it bluntly, even if it can proven BEYOND A DOUBT, that Obama's mother was to young to qualify for giving birth to U.S. citizen outside the borders of U.S. territory, I still count him as born U.S. citizen.

By the same token, I don't count anchor babys, or their parents, as valid citizens unless they also learn English and become productive tax paying citizens.

Mccain's mother was in Panama. Obama's was in the great state of Hawaii. Your point?

#51 | Posted by northguy3

Explain this AP story nor.

AP- WASHINGTON D.C. - In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama's qualifications for the presidency, the group "Americans for Freedom of Information" has released copies of President Obama's college transcripts from Occidental College. Released today, the transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the school. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship. This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama's detractors have been seeking

I linked the truth on that in #41.

It was another one of those fake Internet E-mails that had 0 truth to them.

Try and keep up with the thread.

If's I be joynin da rmy, duz i nedz a birf paper?

(If the COMMON PATRIOT, who wants protect our declining Glorious Nation, to has to produce his papers, should not our esteemed T.O.T.U.S.?)

Where be's the Birf Papers?????????????

Explain this AP story
#55 | Posted by Sniper

Sniper has a weakness for fiction over fact. He's an absolute sucker for shoving his snout in a trap constructed from the wishful thinking, hatred, paranoia, and general weirdness of the delusional crowd that forms the small universe of his cobelievers.

Jesus fucking Christ. He's President, shut the fuck up and move on.

When he invents a threat as a pretense to invade a country to show he's got a bigger dick than his daddy, get back to us.

OOOO my the hatching of a chickenhawk in the news. He has all the makings of a future republican politician that can't fight in a war because has other priorities.

Sniper has a weakness for fiction over fact. He's an absolute sucker for shoving his snout in a trap constructed from the wishful thinking, hatred, paranoia, and general weirdness of the delusional crowd that forms the small universe of his cobelievers.

#58 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

OK doc, the AP doesn't know shit. You tell us the straight story.

I find it interesting that the media picked up on one guy who is pathetic enough to try something like this, but won't do a story (or even take a poll) on the number anti-Obama soldiers who don't like him or his politics but still say "Yes, sir!" to the commands of TPOTUS.

Guess what? The common everyday occurances of peoples lives ISN'T NEWS.

Oh, and in the category of ISN'T NEWS, Snoopy, pay attention now.

www.snopes.com

OK doc, the AP doesn't know shit. You tell us the straight story.

#61 | Posted by Sniper

Read the link in #41. It was a HOAX - there was no AP article.

Good grief.

Snoopy is attaining Nanc-like status.

Has anyone actually READ the Constitution? Do you understand what is says and the system of limited governance it establishes? Do you still believe a corporate democracy is better than a Republic?

Failure to support and defend the Constitution is TREASON.

Here is the question then....

Why has Obama spent hundreds of thousands of dollars fighting litigation seeking the release of his long form birth certificate?

It is SO SIMPLE. All he has to do is authorize its release. People then can accept it or not. So WHY is he fighting? Why is he paying over a MILLION dollars now to attorneys? WHY is he hiding? This from the one who preaches transparency.

You know, Obama could be the best President we ever had, but is it worth going against the Constitution? Perhaps it's because we've allowed SO MUCH to be done that is against the Constitution that we just don't care anymore. Or know any better more likely. Perhaps nobody cares that we have a Kenyan for President, just as long as we're rid of Bush.

It's just another attack in a long line of relentless attacks upon the very thing that gave us FREEDOM. We can truly be free. We only need to stand up and DEMAND it from OURSELVES.

A small minority is standing up, and making these demands. Naturally, they are mocked and ridiculed by the ignorant majority.



Soldiers are only brave and patriotic when they spoke out against Bush!
-Limpwristed Pantpissers

#2 | Posted by 101Chairborne


BRAVO for telling it like it is....

NAMELESS.....here's a quarter buddy. Buy yourself a clue.


Since this Country decided to have an all volunteer Military, I fear that we have gotten overzealous men an women in our Military. This group I believe have moved the military too to Far to the RIGHT. These Right Wing Partisans do no belong in the Military, this Major, as an Officer has the right to resign if he feels he cannot serve under the Democrat President. As long as he is in the service to this Country he doesn't have the right to decide when an where he will fight or be deployed. People have been Punished severely for refusing an Order during War time, this so call soldier should be treated no differently.....


#16 | Posted by celisary at 2009-0


now after reading this..PLEASE tell us all how you support the troops....this is a load of crap from you and thats saying a lot from your history here...

I guess you agree with kerry who said that we have volunteers because they are too fuckin stupid to do anything else...

nice..........real nice to these people who are between you and terrorists willing to cut off your head with a dull knife

NAMELESS...

keep it going bro....you know you are hittig them hard when they can only answer as letus did?

I have asked that question before to the same response here...the left expects complete and total openness from republicans but let this shit go..

as you said...why is he continueing to fight it..

lets see it

and while you are at it...lets also see your request for a scholarship that is limited to NON CITIZENS of the us........

or where you a LIAR THEN TOO

OK doc, the AP doesn't know shit. You tell us the straight story.
#61 | Posted by Sniper

Can't speak for the AP, but it's not an AP story. Scroll up the page a bit, read, absorb, process, and learn.

That said, I'll gladly identify a doesn't-know-shit source for you: Saddle on over to the nearest mirror, stare in it like you do when the contestants for the Miss Magnolia title waddle across the stage at the fairgrounds, and you'll notice the doesn't-know-shit source bears an uncanny resemblance to you, Snoops.

Hey AFLACKY - I know you spend lots of time on the socialist computers there in the liberry.

Look up SNOPES.COM and see just how stupid you are.

Ive already done that shit before.....and I may have been born in the country, but the road wasnt that far away....

I can smell a leftwing conspiracy when I come across it...smells a lot like my socks did in college.....

Ummmm...that's not what you smell BL2.

Check yourself, will you? Or at the very least, open a window!

.smells a lot like my socks did in college.....

#74 | Posted by afkabl2

Dried semen?

Since Obama was then 18-20 yr. old Barry Soetoro...Obama was AT THAT TIME , defined by the Financial Aid terms of the Fullbright Scholarship in 1979, 1980, 1981...as a NON-US CITIZEN and "foreign national".
-- Brianroy]

...Obama needs to provide original vital records or certified copies of such records, as computerised documents might be photoshopped. This is particularly important, as representative of Hawaii health department, Dr. Fukino has only released a statement, that the Hi Health department has A document on file. She did not elaborate, what document.

Since HI statute 338 allows foreign born children of Hawaiian residents to obtain Hawaiian birth certificates (as it was reportedly obtained for Obama's half sister Maya Soetoro, born in Indonesia) and those can be obtained based on a statement of one relative only, such as grandmother or grandfather (which of course can be biased), it is imperative that the courts hear those cases on the merits and that the law enforcement and judges finally start doing their job and sign subpoenas for all of Obama's vital records.

If you have certified copies of any original documents, please mail them to my office

Dr. Orly Taitz, ESQ,
26302 La Paz, ste 211
Mission Viejo , CA 92691.

You're in luck Snoopy - I think she's single.

www.ocweekly.com

Dr. Fukino has only released a statement, that the Hi Health department has A document on file. She did not elaborate, what document.

#77 | Posted by Sniper

If you would only read you could save yourself SO much embarrassment...

www.factcheck.org

Fukino also was quoted by several other news organizations. The Honolulu Advertiser quoted Fukino as saying the agency had been bombarded by requests, and that the registrar of statistics had even been called in at home in the middle of the night.

Honolulu Advertiser, Nov. 1 2008: "This has gotten ridiculous," state health director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said yesterday. "There are plenty of other, important things to focus on, like the economy, taxes, energy." . . . Will this be enough to quiet the doubters? "I hope so," Fukino said. "We need to get some work done."

Fukino said she has "personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

Update Nov. 1: The Associated Press quoted Chiyome Fukino as saying that both she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

So let's see where we are in Snoopdoom as another day draws down:

1. Thinks an American Indian skeleton aged about 9,000 years is that of "a white man."

2. Plagiarizes wackoid statement about La Raza.

3. Still obsessed with Obama's birth certificate.

What's up for manana? The Tichborne Claimant? An interview with Judge Crater? A hot tip on Piltdown Man? A photo op with the Cardiff Giant?

"Likewise, an attorney who is a Doctor of Medicine could be styled as Dr. Jane Kelly, or Jane Kelly, Esq., M.D., or, if a holder of both degrees (some states do not require attorneys to hold a J.D. degree in order to practice law), Jane Kelly, Esq., M.D., J.D., when referred to in the third person, but never Dr. Jane Kelly, Esq."

"Dr. Orly Taitz, ESQ"

Comedy gold.

en.wikipedia.org


Soldiers are only traitors when they speak out against Bush!
-Widestanced Pantdroppers

ff

BTW, Orly Taitz is a dentist.

Is it safe?

this guy will still be pissed while he's in prison, and will still be a coward.

Your Goose is Fried Major!!!

First off U.S.Army Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook your goose is totally fucked! You can't take on the White House/Wall St."Mafia" like that and have any successful future! They're not expendable - but you are! You have 3 possible immediate futures: 1.You go to prison 2. You go to a mental hospital - or 3.You (allegedly) commit suicide!

You don't even realize Maj.Cook that Barrack Obama could go on CNN and smilingly tell the American public that he was actually "born" in Kenya and that the "robotic" American public would not do one God-Damned-Thing in response!!! Again you're Fucked!!!

#54 | Posted by USAF242 at 2009-07-14 04:50 PM

To put it bluntly, even if it can proven BEYOND A DOUBT, that Obama's mother was to young to qualify for giving birth to U.S. citizen outside the borders of U.S. territory, I still count him as born U.S. citizen. (Bolding added.)

Phew! Thankfully there is someone with the authority and assertiveness to issue this edict and thus end any dispute extant.

I suspect that the Major's real agenda is to try to secure an order for release of Obama's Birth Certificate.

The whole controversy reminds me of "pseudo-Isadore." A functionary of the Catholic Church in Spain issued writings whose doctrines were incorporated as dogma into the Church belief system. Then somehow, it was determined that Isadore was not entitled to occupy the position he did in the Church, or issue these writings. This presented a problem. The Church authorities decided that since God would not have allowed spurious doctrines to sully the Church beliefs, God intended these writings to be authentic despite the relegation of Isadore to the status of non-entity.

I suppose that if Obama were not qualified to be President, his actions would nevertheless be allowed to stand to the date of his removal. Would a Democrat dominated Congress remove him? Other than impeachment, how could Obama be removed from office? Would the Congress be complicit in keeping an unentitled person in office as President? If he is a fraud, what punishment would be due Obama? If he is a fraud, he should win the "Conman of the Millennia" award, and the "Biggest Balls of Brass" award for what he's carried off to date. And the American system should be awarded at least a dummy doofus certificate.

This soldier is a Freeper:

washingtonindependent.com

"And the American system should be awarded at least a dummy doofus certificate.

#88 | Posted by Johnson at 2009-07-14 07:33 PM"

Where'd you get yours, out of a box of Cracker Jack?

Anyone get this email?

More questions, and this time some good questions.


While I've little interest in getting in the middle of the Obama birth
issue, Paul Hollrah over at FSM did so yesterday and believes the issue can be
resolved by Obama answering one simple question:


What passport did he use when he was shuttling between
New York , Jakarta , and Karachi ?


So how did a young man who arrived in New York in early June 1981,
without the price of a hotel room in his pocket, suddenly come up with the price of a round-the-world trip just a month later?


And once he was on a plane, shuttling between New York , Jakarta , and
Karachi , what passport was he offering when he passed through Customs and
Immigration?


The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions,
they must have answers.


It makes the debate over Obama's citizenship a rather short and simple one.


Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?
A : Yes, by his own admission.


Q: What passport did he travel under?

A: There are only three possibilities.
1) He traveled with a U.S. Passport,
2) He traveled with a British passport, or
3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.


Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?
A: No. It is not possible.
Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in
1981.
Conclusion:


When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a
British passport or an Indonesian passport.


If he were traveling with a British passport that would provide proof
that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims.
And if he were traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to
prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or
American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967.


Whatever the truth of the matter,the American people need to know how he managed to become a "natural born"
American citizen between 1981 and 2008..


Given the destructive nature of his plans for America ,
as illustrated by his speech before Congress
and the disastrous spending plan he has presented to Congress,
the sooner we learn the truth of all this, the better.


If you Don't care that Your President is not a natural born Citizen and in Violation of the Constitution, then Delete this and go into your cocoon.

In Texas, you used to anyway be able to get a delayed birth certificate. Isn't the Hawaii Certificate made available just a record of registration? And can't you register births that occurred elsewhere under Hawaiian law? If so, what would the Hawaiian Certificate that was released prove? Why not release the elaborated certificate that shows place of birth and the attending physician?

There could be other reasons. Someone other than his mother's bigamous "husband," who at best lacked the capacity to marry, might be shown as the putative father on the certificate. There may be reasons for concealment that we cannot conjure up.

We already know that Obama is the first black President, and Obama is the first bastard President. Who knows what other "firsts" exist.

#91 | Posted by Unclesam at 2009-07-14 07:39 PM | Reply | Flag: idiot

"On Feb. 2, 1961, several months after they met, Obama's parents got married in Maui, according to divorce records. It was a Thursday. At that point, Ann was three months pregnant with Barack Obama II."

www.time.com

".Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981"

FALSE


"NO. 81-33A
Travel Advisory
Passport Services/Bureau of Consular Affa[irs]
Department of State/Wahington. D.C. 205__
AUGUST 17, 1981


TRAVEL TO PAKISTAN


BEFORE TRAVELING TO PAKISTAN, AMERICAN CITIZENS SHOULD BE AWARE OF THE FOLLO[WING] UPDATED VISA REQUIREMENTS: 30 DAY VISAS ARE AVAILABLE AT PAKISTANI AIRPORTS [FOR] TOURISTS ONLY. AS THESE VISAS ARE RARELY EXTENDED BEYOND THE 30 DAY TIME PER[IOD,] TOURISTS PLANNING TO STAY LONGER SHOULD SECURE VISAS BEFORE COMING TO PAKIS[TAN.] ***"

You people are frickin' unbelievable...

"Birthers" claimed that the Pakistan trip constituted indirect proof of Obama's supposed Indonesian citizenship. Philadelphia lawyer Phil Berg even told the U.S. Supreme Court last year, before it refused to hear his case challenging Obama's qualification to be president, that Pakistan "was on the State Department's travel ban list for U.S. Citizens."

But that claim is quite false. There was no such ban. Americans traveled there without incident, as shown by a travel piece that appeared in the New York Times in 1981, dated June 14. Barbara Crossette, an assistant news editor of the Times, told her mostly American readers they could travel to Lahore, Pakistan, by air, rail or road, adding: "Tourists can obtain a free, 30-day visa (necessary for Americans) at border crossings and airports."

Her article prompted a letter to the Times from the U.S. consul general in Lahore saying he would "welcome an influx of Americans" to Lahore. He cautioned only that in addition to getting a visa for Pakistan, American visitors also should be careful to line up an Indian visa for the return trip if they planned to travel overland. The letter is dated Aug. 23, 1981.

wire.factcheck.org

#91 | Posted by Unclesam
#34 | POSTED BY SNIPER
#57 | POSTED BY JROD
#67 | POSTED BY NAMELESS
#71 | POSTED BY AFKABL2
#92 | POSTED BY JOHNSON

You'd think between the 6 of you you'd have functional brain.

Please do keep up this insanity. It's working out so well for you.

They do. Unfortunately, it was obtained from the shelf labeled AB Normal.

'GOATMAN'...Take some time from sucking all the right wing DICK you can an try to make some sense. If this was President Bush an a soldier refused to serve you an your right wing hacks would be asking why this soldier is not being shot....You are a FUCKING idiot an every time you blog you make it clear to anyone who had a doubt.......

From GHANA News:

"Obama's visit will be a celebration of another milestone in African history as it hosts the first-ever African-American President on this presidential visit to the continent of his birth."

www.modernghana.com

Oh well fuck, if GHANA news reported it.....

Didja know CNS News reported that GW Bush was in Alabama snorting coke instead of serving his time in the military? OH, WHERE WERE YOU THEN, KBM?
WHERE????

dammit. CBS.

Look at the keyboard.

Afk--Link to the Kerry comment about soldiers volunteering because they're stupid?

You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq.

-John Kerry

www.outsidethebeltway.com

Perfect illustration of DR life today--laughter, arrogance, insouciance, ignorance, wit, snip, stupidity, anger, linguistic manglings.

Seriously, though, you all speak with such certainty, your facts must be straight.

So I forget who asked, but what _would_ happen if President Obama were proved ineligible to be president because he lacks natural-born status? Holy shit. Constitutional crisis, right? Does Biden become president? Is the election deemed invalid? At that point, how far do we back up into the election cycle? Was he ineligible to be nominated or ineligible to be president? Was he ineligible to run or ineligible to be nominated?

None of that, of course, should matter if in fact he is not natural-born. Enforce the law, and consequences be damned.

Reminds me of another argument, but one that's about morals (and status) rather than about procedure and rules. Not really analogous.

#106 | Posted by pragmatist

If there was ANYTHING to it, don't you think even a hapless lot of congential losers like the GOPiggies just might have latched onto it by now?

The only question that really matters....

and still no answer.....


WHY is Obama paying tons of MONEY to keep his long form birth certificate HIDDEN??


Is nobody able to enlighten us?

Is nobody able to enlighten us?

#108 | Posted by nameless

Light cannot penetrate the density of the black hole you people use for brains.

Unable to provide an answer?

Name calling and witty come-backs aside.....

WHY is Obama paying tons of MONEY to keep his long form birth certificate HIDDEN?

Unable to provide an answer?

#110 | Posted by nameless

Unable to provide any proof?

"Why is Obama paying tons of money to keep his long form birth certificate hidden...?"

For the same reason he paid tons of money to have birth announcements planted in Honolulu newspapers on the date of his birth.

DUH.

Oh well fuck, if GHANA news reported it ...

No kidding. If we've lost Ghana News, we've lost Middle America.

Robert Bauer of the firm Perkins Coie is representing Obama in many of the eligibility lawsuits.

FEC records show Obama For America paid Perkins Coie $688,316.42 for the first 3 months of 2009

Perkins Coie also received $378,375.52 during the last 3 months of 2008.

'Posted by nameless'

Misspelled 'brainless' imbecile.

How is the Canal Zone doing, fool?

ZATOICHI-Please tell us

Why is Obama hiring law firms to fight eligibility lawsuits?

Why not authorize the release of his long form birth certificate?

Why is he paying MONEY to keep it hidden?

Why is he paying MONEY to keep it hidden?

#117 | Posted by nameless

Still no proof, eh?

...shoving his snout in a trap constructed from the wishful thinking, hatred, paranoia, and general weirdness of the delusional crowd that forms the small universe of his cobelievers. -- #58 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Doc, are you reading Tom Wolfe? Your prose style is veering in that direction. (Something you wrote about Sarah Palin a couple days ago fit the same pattern.)

What a pack of bullshit.


Why are you alive?


Birth records are on-line, shit-for-brains.
Buy a brain, they're two-for-one at COSTCO all week.

Nameless,

If Obama weren't a citizen dontcha think republicans would have moved Heaven and Earth to prove it BEFORE th election?

Think about it.

The guy is a creep and a coward who should not be in the Army. If you don't want to fight and kill or be killed don't join the Army. It is not the civil service. All the major has to do is resign his commission and walk away. I feel sorry for the soldiers who keep getting redeployed to those miserable places we should not be in, but even an enlisted man could just do some nice safe time in Leavenworth to keep out of the war zone if he had to. Their motto over the front gate reads "Our Mission ... Your Future."

No kidding. If we've lost Ghana News, we've lost Middle America.

#113 | Posted by rcade at 2009-07-14 09:39 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose) Jealous Of Ghana News Influence

Think about it.

#121 | Posted by Lisa

Lisa, Lisa, Lisa... always the optimist!

So easy to put all this to rest - Just produce the birth certificate.

Why MSgt? Because some people are looking for anything to bring him down?

If he showed his birth certificate they would only go after him about some other ridiculous theory and then you would want him to prove that too. It wouldn't stop.

So easy to put all this to rest - Just produce the birth certificate.

This just gets better and better.

Hey "nameless" - what do you think about Sarah! spending all that money defending herself from frivolous lawsuits?

Dumb just doesn't begin to describe the dead-ender Right.

If he showed his birth certificate

IF?

So easy to put all this to rest - Just produce the birth certificate.

#125 | Posted by MSgt

Why should he do that? There has been no legitimate challenge mounted by any credible individual or group. Giving in to a small bunch of loons would do nothing but open the floodgates for him and every other elected official in the future to be hounded with frivolous suits by any crank who comes down the pike.

If he showed his birth certificate they would only go after him about some other ridiculous theory and then you would want him to prove that too. It wouldn't stop.

#126 | Posted by Lisa

He HAS shown the birth certificate that every single person born in Hawaii gets. Multiple officials in the Hawaiian government have confirmed the original is valid, and right where it should be. Outside sources have confirmed that the copy posted by Obama has all the necessary components, including a raised seal and signature stamp by the appropriate official.

Sorry...how's this:

Showing his certificate to the public who are creating this nonsense....better?

I hope so.I'm too tired to be thinking so hard;)

Hey "nameless" - what do you think about Sarah! spending all that money defending herself from frivolous lawsuits?

I love how you admit frivolous

I love how you admit frivolous

I admit to using the positioning of the Right WRT Palin and the defense she and they have used. You can't have it both ways. You can't castigate Obama for any legal expenditures and offer support for Palin's offered excuse.

You sure you want to risk "clarification" further?

"I love how you..."

What the world needs now, is love sweet love. No not just for some but for everyone!

Come on...sing with me brother!!

43 Birther threads and counting...

Ugggghhhh!

Thanks for the link, Joe. I don't see the exact same conclusion you and some others apparently do, but now I know (or I should say, am reminded of) where the conclusion comes from.

Yes, Doc, I do think the GOP would have found serious evidence by now if there were evidence.

Zed--that was fuckin' hilarious.

I have nothing to add to the birth certificate argument because there _is_ nothing to add. Both sides are repeating the same positions ad nauseam.

Blah blah blah.

But there was some fun reading in here...

You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq.

I don't know about that, but I do know Kerry served.so STFU

You sure you want to risk "clarification" further?

By all means give me more "clarification" YAV

Seriously I mean it

#113 | Posted by rcade at 2009-07-14 09:39 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose) Jealous Of Ghana News Influence

The Retort gets as much traffic as it does:

siteanalytics.compete.com

Take that, Ghana!


Watch out Zimbabwe.

Haven't checked the Ghana website out,but I know they can't beat us on drunks and cry babies.

Myself included,I mean present company excluded,LOL


On WND it says the orders were revoked, looking for other sources...

Bombshell: Orders revoked for soldier challenging prez
www.wnd.com

Got interested in the "long form", so-called. The State of Hawaii says the idea there was such is largely a semantic fiction. To be blunt, all there physically is what's already posted on the internet.

I suppose some will whine after what was never more than some minimal additional information intended to identify blood Hawaians that may, but likely did not, exist in Obama's case.

So whine. Frankly, I'm used to it.

Take that, Ghana!

Funny Flag for RCade! Maybe you could figure out how to steal some of the Ghana web site users. I want to hear some Ghanian (sp?) opinions.

Why...
would a natural born US Citizen
spend over One Million Dollars
to avoid proving
they are a natural born US Citizen?


There are some interesting articles at this link:

stopsocialism.wordpress.com

Yeswecan-
You had to go all haiku on us, didn't you?

Morons leap
to the task
of proving themselves worthy
of the title

(yeah, I know, not a haiku, but I got the moron bit right)

ouch - - Maj Cook's claim in the suit was that . . .
if he served under an illegit commander-in-chief he could later be subject to "war crimes" charges"

now, after an "army" of Army lawyers reviewed his case - -

the Army has rescinded his deployment orders . . . hmmmm


next we'll find out that Maj Cook owes back taxes, is homophobic, & no longer beats his wife

'GOATMAN'...Take some time from sucking all the right wing DICK...

I don't suck anyone's dick, celery -- left or right. But it's OK for you to fantasize about it if you wish. No skin off my nose.

If this was President Bush an a soldier refused to serve you an your right wing hacks would be asking why this soldier is not being shot

I can't speak for the right wing hacks you cite, but as far as I am concerned, you are wrong, celery. Unlike you, I've been very consistent in my views that a serviceman be required to honor the contract he signed. You, OTOH think it's OK for him to reneg as proven on you stance on Lt Watabe. Don't dump your hypocricies on me, girl.

....You are a FUCKING idiot an every time you blog you make it clear to anyone who had a doubt.......

But you feel you have to tell everyone. If true, they don't need your wisdom to point it out. That's why I don't bother opining on your grossly displayed personality flaws. They are painfully obvious to all who read your drivel and require no mention from me or others.

there is more evidence of Obama's USA birth than there is for Bush' national guard service, WMD's, McCain's birth records, and a brain cell that functions in the quitter Palin.

LM

"the Army has rescinded his deployment orders . . . hmmmm
#148 | Posted by markh"

The judge granted a temporary restraining order so a hearing can be held day after tomorrow. Not worth a cough, let alone a "hmmmm."

Deployment orders rescinded - time for conspiracy theorists to take over this thread.

It's worth a hmmmm, because 999 times out of 1,000 the military tells you to fuck off and do what you were told.
If they haven't made his life miserable enough to drop the BS lawsuit by now, then there's somebody high up in the chain of command that either supports this or believes in it.

Either way, this guy is going to be doing some latrine detail in Afghanistan shortly.

"It's worth a hmmmm, because 999 times out of 1,000 the military tells you to fuck off and do what you were told."

I'd like to see you support that statement with similar cases in which the attorney for a reservist who receives deployment orders files a request in federal court for a temporary restraining order freezing the deployment order pending a hearing to be held within a couple of days. Much as the military would like to tell the guy to fuck off, even the military falls under the jurisdiction of a federal court.

"If they haven't made his life miserable enough to drop the BS lawsuit by now, then there's somebody high up in the chain of command that either supports this or believes in it."

Yeah, very weird, hoodoo mysterious. Except:

Because he's a reserve soldier who volunteered for an active duty tour he can "ask for a revocation of orders up until the day he is scheduled to report for active duty," a public affairs officer explained. Cook volunteered for the tour in May of this year. It is not clear why he did so, considering his current objections.
www.huffingtonpost.com


"It is not clear why he did so"

Maybe he was drunk.

"If they haven't made his life miserable enough to drop the BS lawsuit by now, then there's somebody high up in the chain of command that either supports this or believes in it."

That's kinda where my thoughts were going. I was surprised as hell that he wasn't scrubbing the toilet with his toothbrush already.

"Maybe he was drunk."

That and/or girlfriend/boyfriend/wife problems.

"If they haven't made his life miserable enough to drop the BS lawsuit by now, then there's somebody high up in the chain of command that either supports this or believes in it."

I read somewhere that he is just a "straw plaintiff" for that lawyer that kept filing bullshit lawsuits about this during the campaign.

The only thing about this that causes me angst is that should he be removed from office, we'll have three and a half years under president Biden with Nancy Pelosi next in line. My God! How did we get ourselves into this position?

Yeah, very weird, hoodoo mysterious. Except:


Because he's a reserve soldier who volunteered for an active duty tour he can "ask for a revocation of orders up until the day he is scheduled to report for active duty," a public affairs officer explained. Cook volunteered for the tour in May of this year. It is not clear why he did so, considering his current objections.
www.huffingtonpost.com


#154 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2009-07-15 09:20 AM | Reply


I was unaware he had volunteered for the duty. Obviously he did so to bring the BC issue to the forefront.

He's not being brave or patriotic, he's a spotlight ranger (if the info from HufPo is true). I hope he's got his 20 in already, otherwise this dude has shot himself in the foot.

#160 | Posted by 101Chairborne

Agreed

Cook volunteered for the tour in May of this year. It is not clear why he did so, considering his current objections.

Well no one has ever said the birthers are smart.

I wonder if Obama could help out Wikipedia on this issue that just won't go away?

www.wnd.com

What a maroon.


What a maroon.

#164 | Posted by 726


Alinsky's Rules for Radicals

RULE 5: "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon." There is no defense. It's irrational. It's infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.

Well, the military must think he has a point because they revoked his orders. That definitely says something. I'm not sure what it say but it says something. And to those who say Obama has produced a birth certificate, no he hasn't. He hasn't produced an original certified birth certificate.


"I wonder if Obama could help out Wikipedia on this issue that just won't go away?


www.wnd.com"


What issue? That since Wiki allows it's users to manipulate information posted on it's site that it has to scrub clean lies posted by dip-shits on the right who try to create a story out of nothing? Go find a WMD, or some National Guard service records, or the long form of McCain's birth certificate siting his US birth.

LM

I guess it would be useless to state, once again, that the State of Hawaii says the official documentation Obama posted is all the official documentation that exists, and that it's completely valid?

Yes, it would. Went over the Freepers and saw for myself how the only thing that makes them froth more than Malia's shorts is the birther thing.

Always unstated is why the Republican Party makes no noise about this. One suspects they've been bought off too, like the State Run Media.

Why did McCain lie about his birth place? He is a Panamanian, not an american citiczen. He wasn't born on a military base in Panama, he was born in a hospital in a city in Panama. All you righties had no problem voting for him then, even when his birth certificate said he was Panamanian!

forums.hannity.com

LM

"RULE 5: "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon." There is no defense. It's irrational. It's infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions."

Well, then, I guess the Bush administration, or at least its adherents, must have studied Alinsky. Cf. accusations of elitism, belief in liberal values, etc.


Why did McCain lie about his birth place? He is a Panamanian, not an american citiczen. He wasn't born on a military base in Panama, he was born in a hospital in a city in Panama. All you righties had no problem voting for him then, even when his birth certificate said he was Panamanian!

forums.hannity.com

LM

#169 | Posted by Liberal_Mongrel


So then why does the hospital where our DearOne was supposedly birthed, remove a letter from the DearOne stating so? And why is our DearOne complicit in this?
www.wnd.com

Also: "Oddly, though congressional hearings were held to determine whether Sen. John McCain was constitutionally eligible to be president as a "natural born citizen," no controlling legal authority ever sought to verify Obama's claim to a Hawaiian birth."

Things that make you go "Hmmmmmmmm!"


Things that make you go "Hmmmmmmmm!"


Posted by TheOneBS

The presence of lint in your belly button makes you go "hmmmmmm", Theo.

Would he have standing compared to the others that were thrown out of court for lack of it?

I wonder if Sotomayor has an opinion on the issue?

If she does, Petrous, she shouldn't speak about it unless it's in front of her in the courtroom.

And if she did, you all would talk about activism and blah blah blah.

Oh, I'm sorry, were you _joking_?

It scares me that this won't go away.
The wingnuts are getting more crazy it seems.
There is an air of desperation in their ranting.
I fear we can expect some bad things to come.

He volunteered to go? And now he's claiming birther status? Just for the sake of attention?

Fuck him.
Give him a dishonorable-and heavy prison time-disallow any retirement benefits he may have earned.

"So then why does the hospital where our DearOne was supposedly birthed, remove a letter from the DearOne stating so? And why is our DearOne complicit in this? www.wnd.com"

Because you and the story writer might be the biggest fools in history. The woman clearly states she cannot answer any questions about baby's BORN IN their hospital!! If he was not born there she could say so!!

LM

Even if the folks asking about the birth certificate are right, they are STILL wrong.

I voted for Palin (and sort of McCain), but Obama is our President, and we'll just have to hope he does not do to much damage.

To put it more bluntly:

Even if it can PROVEN, beyond even a shadow of a doubt, that Obama's mother was indeed a few months to young to give birth to a U.S. Citizen outside the borders of the U.S., I STILL view him as a BORN U.S. citizen, for the simple reason that it is a flawed law that creates the problem.

By the same token, I DO NOT veiw anchor babies as real U.S. citizens UNLESS they and their parents RAPIDLY learn fluent English, and become tax paying citizens.

HaHaHa!! Some of you morons still believe in democracy and the 'rule of law' - how quaint...

Hey, forget it! It went out the window on day 1, in the very structure of the Constitution. The real rulers were NEVER peons like you and me, but the landowners and monied class. Everything else is window dressing. They knew even back then that power should rule, and the little people should take orders, not give them.

How else could you explain the Pearl Harbor attack, JFK, MLK, RFK, Tonkin Gulf resolution scam, OKC, the 9/11 job, the Able Danger coverup, and FEMA's secret prisons (just to name a few) ???

This is the same deal: a Saudi-financed Marxist takeover to destroy capitalism and centralize Oligarchic control.



msgboard.snopes.com

#179 Some of you morons still believe in ...

Why do the conspiracists start their posts like this? After I read the first line, I erroneously thought it was a li'l jeffy post.

Ok there ya go! I found it in about 3 secs. Now we can deploy that stupid fucker to Somalia.

The obvious and deliberate blocking of evidence should persuade any reasonable person that something's rotten, but as long as the major media's in the bag, what to worry? Ya keep em ignorant!

Deny, distract, deceive. Throw in a good dose of ridicule and the people will be so dumbed down that you can get away with murder. That seems to be the plan. Murder America.

The big question is, will their strategy work? I don't know. Do enough people use the internet? Anyone following the story knows the Obama Apparatus is as guilty as fuck. Obama and his entire phony Administration, including Sec Gates and the mob of crooked lawyers should all be rounded up by the military and sent to Gitmo for 'interrogation.'

Am I dreaming? Damn, I hope not.

Obama had the military drop it because he knows in his little monkey brain he will be ass fucked if it goes to court.

#146 BetelG - haiku LOL

Might as well bag on somebody else:

#175 - Not disagreeing with what you said, but your meter is off. Or are you typing on an old Underwood then scanning that page then doing some kind of copy/paste from that to this board?

A major in the US Army refusing a deployment? That motherfucker is not fit to be a soldier! This is not some dumbass PFC deserting out of boot camp and cutting for Canada. Major is not a first-enlistment pay grade. Bust his sorry ass and then cashier him out of the Army. Then he can hang out with the Freepers online as his full-time job.

www.wnd.com

Read the facts, loser:

www.wnd.com

Read the facts loser.

www.snopes.com

doc,I guess this doesn't mean anything.

By Chelsea Schilling and Joe Kovacs
2009 WorldNetDaily

A U.S. Army Reserve major from Florida scheduled to report for deployment to Afghanistan within days has had his military orders revoked after arguing he should not be required to serve under a president who has not proven his eligibility for office.

His attorney, Orly Taitz, confirmed to WND the military has rescinded his impending deployment orders.

"We won! We won before we even arrived," she said with excitement. "It means that the military has nothing to show for Obama. It means that the military has directly responded by saying Obama is illegitimate and they cannot fight it. Therefore, they are revoking the order!"

She continued, "They just said, 'Order revoked.' No explanation. No reasons just revoked."

174, yes I was joking. About her, yes.

As for his 'standing' in court: it's been considered in previous cases that there was lack of standing. In this guy's case - the lawyers I've spoken to think he has standing - and that means he has a legitimate case to proceed.

Read the facts, loser:

www.wnd.com

#188 | Posted by ducand

Someone who posts links to World Nut Daily calling someone else a loser?

Priceless.


A major in the US Army refusing a deployment? That motherfucker is not fit to be a soldier! This is not some dumbass PFC deserting out of boot camp and cutting for Canada. Major is not a first-enlistment pay grade. Bust his sorry ass and then cashier him out of the Army. Then he can hang out with the Freepers online as his full-time job.

#186 | Posted by john47

Apparently the military does not agree with you, and other toddlers like you who throw verbal tantrums, pitch a fit and cry.

Military 1 - john47(and other Olbermann's) 0



hmmmm wouldnt the military change his orders if he were being arrested or some such thing?

Because he's a reserve soldier who volunteered for an active duty tour he can "ask for a revocation of orders up until the day he is scheduled to report for active duty," a public affairs officer explained. Cook volunteered for the tour in May of this year. It is not clear why he did so, considering his current objections.


now why would he volunteer for active duty under a president he views as illegitimate?

Someone who posts links to World Nut Daily calling someone else a loser?

Priceless.

#192 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

Hey Rogue, did you happen to notice that the military revoked the major's orders? Whether you happen to dislike WND is a moot point. They're simply the messenger. Now stay on message instead of the messenger!

Re: #90 - yeah, shocking that they wouldn't force him over there when he already said he wouldn't serve. Orly Taitz is a fucking moron. She probably went to Joe's law school, where everyone is a hardship case.

now why would he volunteer for active duty under a president he views as illegitimate?

#195 | Posted by truthhurts


Stay on message TH. This isn't about why the volunteer would ask to serve under the president, it's about why the military would revoke this traitor's/bastard's/coward's ______ (fill in the blank with whatever libtard word tantrum you like) orders.

Why would the military set such a precedent?

Things that make you go "Hmmmmmmmm!"

According to Army Public Affairs spokesperson, Lt. Maria Quon, regulations:

"A reserve soldier who volunteers for an active duty tour may ask for a revocation of orders up until the day he is scheduled to report for active duty."

Now stay on message instead of the messenger!

#196 | Posted by TheOneBS

You know that is not the way the left works. If you don't like the message, trash the messenger. Hell, trash everyone within 50 yards.




Stay on message TH. This isn't about why the volunteer would ask to serve under the president, it's about why the military would revoke this traitor's/bastard's/coward's ______ (fill in the blank with whatever libtard word tantrum you like) orders.


Why would the military set such a precedent?


Things that make you go "Hmmmmmmmm!"


#198 | Posted by TheOneBS
"ask for a revocation of orders up until the day he is scheduled to report for active duty," a public affairs officer explained


"ask for a revocation of orders up until the day he is scheduled to report for active duty," a public affairs officer explained


"ask for a revocation of orders up until the day he is scheduled to report for active duty," a public affairs officer explained


"ask for a revocation of orders up until the day he is scheduled to report for active duty," a public affairs officer explained


get it yet?

probably not

In January, talk-show host Michael Medved classified Taitz and the other eligibility attorneys as "crazy, nutburger, demagogue, money-hungry, exploitive, irresponsible, filthy conservative imposters." Taitz sent him a letter demanding a retraction.

I enjoy the excuse provided by the Leftist spinners: that a "birth registration" is the same as a "birth certificate."

Such blatant lies, purposefully using dialectics, the speciality of the Soviet propaganda machine and their "press."

Now, see who is lying in this "special" way of the leftist socialist?

The Democratic Party

It is ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!

You know that is not the way the left works. If you don't like the message, trash the messenger. Hell, trash everyone within 50 yards.

#200 | Posted by Sniper

You pretty much trashed yourself on the last thread on this topic. LOL!

i would recommend the California Bar Association and California AMA board look into Miss Titz's licenses.

#203 | Posted by tadowe at 2009-07-15 04:45 PM | Reply | Flag Please hug me.


It is ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!

#204 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2009-07-15 04:48 PM | Reply | Flag

No--it isn't.

The Democratic Party

#203 | Posted by tadowe


Exxxxxxcelllllent!

See?

A "birth registration" (which is the "document") is NOT the same as a "birth certificate", but that reality is not addressed, and the result is plain to see:

mock the message

A well known, now, effort this site highlights as fact ....

216.221.102.26

216.221.102.26

Wasn't he sent from above to provide us with universal health care and save us from global warming?

whatreallyhappened.com

#198 | Posted by TheOneBS
"ask for a revocation of orders up until the day he is scheduled to report for active duty," a public affairs officer explained

"ask for a revocation of orders up until the day he is scheduled to report for active duty," a public affairs officer explained

"ask for a revocation of orders up until the day he is scheduled to report for active duty," a public affairs officer explained

"ask for a revocation of orders up until the day he is scheduled to report for active duty," a public affairs officer explained


get it yet?


probably not

#201 | Posted by truthhurts


Hey dumb-dumb! HELLOOOO dumb-dumb?

Again, this isn't about the reserve major. It's about what the military did.

Yes, a reserve can ask for revocation of orders up to the day of.... But did you happen to notice what the military did? HELLOOOOO dumb-dumb?

They revoked his orders with no word why, and did so post-haste! Now why would the military do such a thing, and establish such a precedent that could easily undermine their duty (ie. the door is now open to anyone objecting and demanding the same summary judgment).

HELLOOOOO dumb-dumb! Stay on message!

donate.barackobama.com


mccain's birth certificate

Now why would the military do such a thing, and establish such a precedent that could easily undermine their duty


the military saw he didnt want to deploy so they changed his orders.

get it?

probably not.

Apparently Tad, then the Registrar of Statistics, as well as the State Health Director are liars, oh wizened one.

#216 | Posted by truthhurts at 2009-07-15 05:00 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
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HAHA! I get it! A joke about McCain being old! That's funny as hell, really original and creative!


In January, talk-show host Michael Medved classified Taitz and the other eligibility attorneys as "crazy, nutburger, demagogue, money-hungry, exploitive, irresponsible, filthy conservative imposters." Taitz sent him a letter demanding a retraction.

#202 | Posted by truthhurts


Hellooooo Michael Medved!!! HELLOOOOO dumb-dumb!!!! Anybody home?????

Hey Michael, did you happen to notice what the military's response to the nutburger/exploitive/
irresponsible major was?

Helllllooooooooo! Anybody home????

the military saw he didnt want to deploy so they changed his orders.

get it?

probably not.

#217 | Posted by truthhurts


LOL...LOL... You obviously don't know the military!

Pleas sign on the dotted line Johnny. And oh, if you don't want to come when we call, that's ok, we'll make do!

Your new castrati military!


LOL....LOL....LOL!!!!

In January, talk-show host Michael Medved classified Taitz and the other eligibility attorneys as "crazy, nutburger, demagogue, money-hungry, exploitive, irresponsible, filthy conservative imposters." Taitz sent him a letter demanding a retraction.

I would have sent an apology, saying there was really no way to know if he was filthy or not.

Medved? Really? The ringwingding?

The "certification of birth", as the dialectics continue, is not a "birth certificate," which identifies the newborn by name, footprint, date and time of birth, weight, sex, medical practioner, and facilty, among other information.

If he was born in Hawaii, then their would be a public record of this "birth certificate" ...

... there isn't and that is the reason that this lie is being purpetrated via "official" chicanery.


Tad's birth certificate is on display at the Smithsonian, a fine example of early 18th century documentation.

Ripley's only has a copy.


"LOL....LOL....LOL!!!!

#221 | Posted by TheOneBS"


This moron had the right to "ask for a revocation of orders up until the day he is scheduled to report for active duty," a public affairs officer explained.


Fuck, dude, you are a ninny.

#225 | Posted by Corky at 2009-07-15 05:09 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Haha, another "old" joke! Those are hilarious!

Regards,

Tapping someone's left shoulder while you're standing on their right side.

In addition, if he wasn't born in a hospital, he would have had to be taken to one and officially provided with the state ordered treatment for every newborn child. There would be a trail of hospital or care facility records, including but by no means limited to the name of the attending physician, or licensed medical practioner, name of child, date, etc.

This case will be ordered dropped by the commander in chief ... watch ...

This incident is equivalent to those done by soldiers refusing their missions in Iraq, for political "protest."

Your ilk can sure dish it out, but cry like babies when in receipt of it ...

Georgie Porgie leftist socialists and democratics ...

Since HI statute 338 allows foreign born children of Hawaiian residents to obtain Hawaiian birth certificates

Is this true san? What about you doc?

[338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.

In light of this does a HI birth certificate mean anything other than the child was born?

There's a very fine line between "stupidity
and bravery" and "patriotism and retardation".

#39 | Posted by 101Chairborne


Air Horn finally posted something sane.

Half the country couldn't care less where Obama was born.

Why does Obama let this question drag on? He could and should disprove it by producing his birth certificate.

Who was the doctor that delivered Obama in Hawaii?

Since HI statute 338 allows foreign born children of Hawaiian residents to obtain Hawaiian birth certificates

Is this true san? What about you doc?

#230 | Posted by Sniper

That is true. However, as you were shown on the other thread, both the State Registrar of Statistics, as well as the State Health Director have unequivocally stated that Obama was born in Hawaii.

In addition - regarding the birth announcement in the Hawaii newspapers. Those announcements are not PLACED by anyone - they are taken from the records from the Department of Statistics. Birth records, death records, marriage licenses, etc. Obama's birth announcement in the newspaper a few days after his birth would have been picked up from the filing of his birth certificate by the hospital.

#234 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

Then just produce the long form and be done with it. He won't!

To say, "Well, the Rtards would still not be satisfied and would continue pursuing it anyway" is a bogus argument. They're already not satisfied. But if he actually did produce it he could place a whole lot of egg on Rtard faces. He won't though, and he spends money to keep from having to.

Things that still make you go "Hmmmmmmmmm!"

But if he actually did produce it he could place a whole lot of egg on Rtard faces.

#235 | Posted by TheOneBS

Not really, because few, if any legitimate Republicans/Conservatives buy into the whole big lie and most of them think you and your little friends are as asinine as we do.

This has now become a military readiness issue.

Others will follow the lead on this and the military has now set the precedent by rescinding deployment orders.

Obama has no choice now but to disprove these claims.

Produce the fucking birth certificate and be done with this nonsense.

This has now become a military readiness issue.

#237 | Posted by BENDOR

Apparently the right to request a revocation of orders only applies to reservists who volunteer for an active duty assignment.

What % of the total military do you suppose that is?

#237 | Posted by BENDOR

Right on BENDOR! You nailed it...and Libtards here continue to ignore this real issue, cuz they know how crucial it is!


This has now become a military readiness issue.

#237 | Posted by BENDOR

Apparently the right to request a revocation of orders only applies to reservists who volunteer for an active duty assignment.

What % of the total military do you suppose that is?

#238 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

Great question that I don't have the answer for.

However, under the law, a precedent is a precedent. And this particular precedent would probably be cited by attorneys in similar cases.

As you know, Judges form opinions in legal cases based, in no small part, on precedence.

However, under the law, a precedent is a precedent.

#240 | Posted by BENDOR

What precedent? The guy already had the right to request a revocation of orders under military regulations.

There will be an extensive record of neonatal health information, treatment for opthalmia, examination for jaundice, innoculation(s), size, weight, footprint and other information signed off on by attending physician(s) and, or nurses. Copies would reside in hospital/clinic records, and state records.

This evidence, if the commander in chief allows the trial to go forward, will be thoroughly investigated, as only the single-minded military can do, and if absent ... will prove the claim.

This needs a Czar to investigate, right? Another semi-Soviet rule from the Whitehouse, along with his "executive orders" dictates ...

"This needs a Czar to investigate, right?"

#242 | Posted by tadowe at 2009-07-15 06:58 PM | Reply | Flag: Needs the work.

I'm trying to figure out why a reservist even has to go to Afghanistan (leftist talking point) during the reign of an anti-war president.

Didn't we win there? Or are we merely peace-keepers. Is Bin Laden still there? It's my turn to be invested in defeat, but I won't stoop to the Lowest of the low.

How did he get the middle name Hussein?
What is Soetoro?
Why is his mom's name Stanley?

These are just a couple questions I have for the freshman Senator/President from Illinois. He came on to the national political scene only 6 or so years ago and now POTUS. What's wrong with being inquisitive?

Leave McCain out of this, his dad was Top Brass (plus he lost and is not in charge of the war on terror). Who was Barack Obama the first? Nobody knows... I think it's legit to wonder about the origins of our President.

By the same token, I DO NOT veiw anchor babies as real U.S. citizens UNLESS they and their parents RAPIDLY learn fluent English, and become tax paying citizens.
#178 | Posted by USAF242

I agree.

Big Business just glosses over the legal paperwork when immigrants apply for jobs here in California. Why can't Big Government do the same? sarcasm

I'm not gonna take a newspaper clipping and a sorry excuse for a birth cert. seriously. This is the President not just some random guy.

Hi, Zat! You know I love the demonstration(s) of mockery directed at the messenger, from your ilk. Your mob demonstrates over-and-over your lack of ability to address the issues directly. It shows just what a bunch of cretins you become in your collective effort to revile individuals as some "legitimate" form of reasonable discussion ...

Were you born there in Hawaii, Zat? Got your "birth certificate" copy showing your footprint? If not, then where is the vital neonatal information the state requires be on record for newborn public health demands as record(s), and confirming your state of birth?

No, your ilk can only misdirect, dialectially, and through your constant efforts to dehumanize for party ...

This evidence, if the commander in chief allows the trial to go forward...

#242 | Posted by tadowe

What trial?

Courts Martial, then, Sanan ...

No one has yet answered any of my questions about what would happen if proof were found showing that President Obama is not a natural-born citizen. Does that really mean none of you know? (I don't.)

And it seems to me that we are in "asked, and answered" land. If the newspaper shows his birth, and if the state officials back it all, asserting that this is what HI does RE birth certificates, what the fuck? Oh, yeah, that's right, this was all planned fortysome years in advance--and the notice in the newspapers was planted! Or they were faked! Oh, shit, where's my video of the men landing on the moon? Too bad Stanley Kubrick's dead and we can't waterboard him into admitting the truth.

I love this shit. Who's gonna write the movie? I'll produce. Maybe Sniper can direct. Oh, Afkabl2 can write it! Perfect!

Courts Martial, then, Sanan ...

#247 | Posted by tadowe

Are you having trouble keeping up? As a reservist who volunteered for an active duty assignment, HE HAD THE RIGHT TO REQUEST A REVOCATION OF ORDERS.

There is no trial or Court Martial.

"Were you born there in Hawaii, Zat? "

No, I was born in Frankfurt am Main, Germany, as stated on both my German and Texas birth certificates.

Oh, Afkabl2 can write it! Perfect!

#248 | Posted by pragmatist

Auggggggggggghh!

LOL!

The dialectics now indicates that a reservist has the RIGHT to mutiny!!!

You party liars are the dregs of politics! Not only liars, but stupid liars!

If evidence is found that Obama is not a native born citizen, there will have to be an impeachment ...

... otherwise the Constitution is toilet paper to the neo-communist party known as the Democratic party ...

"If evidence is found Obama is not a native born citizen...."

I'm sure the Republican Party will let us know. Until then, let's enjoy the quiet.

... then that clown Biden will be the president ...

The dialectics now indicates that a reservist has the RIGHT to mutiny!!!

You party liars are the dregs of politics! Not only liars, but stupid liars!

#252 | Posted by tadowe

In a way its been kind of sad watching your deterioration over the past months - your decreasing ability to follow a thread, reduced comprehension of articles and other media, lying frequently to cover for increasingly frequent misstatements and foolish utterings.

But I'll humor you...

Lt. Col. Maria Quon, U.S. Army Public Affairs Officer, U.S. Army Human Resources Command-St. Louis, said Tuesday evening, Cook was no longer expected to report Wednesday to MacDill Air Force Base in Florida for mobilization to active duty...

..."A reserve soldier who volunteers for an active duty tour may ask for a revocation of orders up until the day he is scheduled to report for active duty," Quon said. www.mcclatchydc.com

Not being a native ciitzen is not a high crime of misdemeanor, so I rather doubt impeachment would be attempted.

Remember the Lieutenant that refused to go to war under UN control, Clinton era?

Now, you idiots want the world to believe that a "volunteer" (all military of today) can mutiny under orders ...

You really are a dim collective, aren't you?


Now, you idiots want the world to believe that a "volunteer" (all military of today) can mutiny under orders ...

You really are a dim collective, aren't you?


#258 | Posted by tadowe

Yes Tad, calm down, cover your knees with the afghan. Take a sip of the "remedy".

Note the qualifiers in the statement: A RESERVIST who VOLUNTEERS for an ACTIVE DUTY assignment may request a revocation of orders. NOT just any active duty service person.

Either that, or poor, misguided Lt. Quon, Army spokesperson is either lying, or doesn't know her Army regs.

Dim indeed, 25 watt Tadowe.

Zed continues with the kill-the-messenger effort so practiced by the neo-commies, "In a way its been kind of sad watching your deterioration over the past months ..."

How about the issue, Zed? I indicated that this would not go to trial, and you spin like a dervish!

Thanks for your continued demonstration of how idiotic your ilk just happen to be!

Mutiny is now an accepted practice, and right, of the military officer corps ...

Now, any officer in Afghanistan can refuse to follow the orders of someone who can't show proof of state citizenship ...

Think anymore of the officer corps has even one nut left ...?

Zed continues with the kill-the-messenger effort so practiced by the neo-commies, "In a way its been kind of sad watching your deterioration over the past months ..."

#260 | Posted by tadowe

Thank you... case in point. You no longer seem to be able to even keep track of who said what 2-3 posts back.

LOL!

Now, any officer in Afghanistan can refuse to follow the orders of someone who can't show proof of state citizenship ...

Think anymore of the officer corps has even one nut left ...?

#261 | Posted by tadowe

Have you gone COMPLETELY daft, old man?

See?

All of your ilk were "true patriots" for using the term "neo-conservative", but get light-headed when you receive some of your own medicine. Typical yellow-stripe reaction I describe as "Georgie Porgyism".

Maybe you'd prefer "neo-socialist" instead, huh?

... and thank you for continuing the thread with me as your subject to obsess over ...

Getting TAD to respond to you is akin to sticking a grass stalk down a tarantula hole.

.. and thank you for continuing the thread with me as your subject to obsess over ...

#264 | Posted by tadowe

Thank you for your prompt answer in the affirmative to my query in #263.

In regards to Obama's birth certificate, if I thought there was any real scandal there I would be fascinated and concerned.

As it all appears to be hogwash I find myself more interested in the mental status of persons who go on and on about it.

Getting TAD to respond to you is akin to sticking a grass stalk down a tarantula hole.

#265 | Posted by Zed

And these days about as dangerous as that would be if the tarantula was laying in there dead, with all legs sticking straight up in the air.

In regards to this particular soldier, it's hard for me to imagine a man who went through all the trouble to become a Major and not want to see a war.

Sanan asks, "Have you gone COMPLETELY daft, old man?"

Can't stand the heat, Sanan?

Why can't officers who volunteered to serve not refuse on further consideration of their "volunteer" status demonstrated by this officer?

Why couldn't they refuse to serve, now, for the same reasons?

I know you, or your ilk, won't answer ... so revile me ... come on you all!

Vote for me here you yellow dog cowards, as the rest of your party of dehumanization has done from this site, here ...

Can't stand the heat, Sanan?

Why can't officers who volunteered to serve not refuse on further consideration of their "volunteer" status demonstrated by this officer?

Why couldn't they refuse to serve, now, for the same reasons?

I know you, or your ilk, won't answer ...

#270 | Posted by tadowe

Heat? LOL!

The answer to your question is simple... BECAUSE THAT IS NOT WHAT THE REGULATION SAYS. Here, one more time, for your edification are the applicable criteria:

1. Must be a RESERVIST
2. Must have VOLUNTEERED for an active duty assignment
3. Must request the revocation of orders BEFORE being deployed

Now, please explain how that regulation could be construed to apply to regular, active duty military personnel already serving in theater?

Quote the "regulation", Sanan.

Never mind, and since if it exists at all, it was promulgated for this incident.

However, it is a technicallity, as to being in-country, and does not disqualify a change-of-mind, now that the precedent for refusal to serve under an unqualified commander in chief has been established.

Such "new" information and regulation would allow a refusal as a right of the citizen-soldier who was unaware of that "right" previously.

Go figure, huh? However, out of the hundreds, thousands of military officers in Afghanistan ... don't you think there'd be a few who might attempt this sort of mutiny as a demand for valid proof of state's citizenship?

"Quote the "regulation", Sanan."

You mean the one the Army spokesperson cited in my link. Is it your contention she was lying?

"However, it is a technicallity, as to being in-country, and does not disqualify a change-of-mind,"

Uhm, why yes, it does since that individual would fail to meet at LEAST one, if not all of the criteria of the regulation.

How silly of you to struggle so mightily, and so vainly to try and prove you aren't wrong, when you clearly are. I guess age does not automatically equal maturity, eh?

"Not being a native ciitzen is not a high crime of misdemeanor, so I rather doubt impeachment would be attempted."

Right, but what about fraud? (A HUGE con this would be, and the man should be lionized for such cleverness. : ) )

And what about the fact that it would mean he's not eligible to _be_ president? Fuck impeachment--election overturned! Not? You don't think? Right, maybe because this has never happened and there is no protocol for it. Hence... constitutional crisis the likes of which we've never seen. I can't even imagine how this would go down.

Which brings me back to what someone else said: If there were serious evidence, wouldn't the Republican machine have found it and used it? Oh, wait, they're all in cahoots. The Republicans let him get away with it so that Obama could socialize the country and the Republicans could mobilize the masses who reject healthcare etc. and regain their power in 2012. It was all a huge boondoggle to bring the Republicans back to their former glory. In fact, Obama was in on it--they paid him, they and their Saudi family financiers, so that he could go down in history as the greatest con man and worst president ever.

There. Uncovered and fully explained.

Oh, and Sanantonio, you didn't like my choice of scriptwriter? : )

There is no regulation cited in any of the links, Sanan.

Mention is made of the "right" to request a change of deployment, not some regulation permitting a refusal to serve under a false commander in chief.

However, you'll fool all the yellow-dog fools, for sure.

Ironically, I requested a change of orders to go to 'Nam, but was refused. Although I was a reserve officer, and had volunteered to go, my request for change in orders was denied.

Johnson had a birth certificate, state of Texas, and so I couldn't get by on that excuse for mutiny ...

Its OK Tad. We all understand your pathological need not to be wrong.

Go on off for a little nap now, assured that we all respect you as much as ever.

Johnson had a birth certificate, state of Texas, and so I couldn't get by on that excuse for mutiny ...

#275 | Posted by tadowe

Man, you got royally fucked over. Johnson's "birth certificate" didn't even have his name on it until it was mysteriously "amended" in 1961.

Now HERE is a birth certificate scandal worthy of the name!

www.footnote.com

"Johnson had a birth certificate..."

Now, this is interesting. DID President Johnson have a birth certificate? Given the the time and place he was born I wouldn't automatically count on it.

My grandfather didn't have a birth certificate. Though clearly American he had to misfortune to be born in the hills circa 1913.

"Circa" because no one really knows.

So Johnson DIDN'T have a birth certificate, merely a mysterious amendment. I think he was born in Kenya.

Probably took awhile to come up with Lyndon for a name.I've never met one

Probably took awhile to come up with Lyndon for a name.I've never met one

#280 | Posted by bruceaz

53 years later and the best they could do was "Lyndon"?

I suppose Johnson could have been born in Mexico, huh?

Lol! You jokers are too much!

The facts are, however, that modern practices by health authorities, state regulations, and the medical practice demand a footprint, eyecare treatment to prevent opthalmia (conjunctivitis), monitor for jaundice, innoculations and other vital statistics information. This would become evidence, had the military not decided to end his assignment without his request, as the regulations would have permitted, if he had done so ...

So, they've been ordered to permit him not to go, while avoiding a courts martial, which would convict him if Obama presented a valid hospital, clinic certificate of birth and the subsequent paper trail of evidence supporting it.

Now, any officer can make the same claim: refusal to serve under a president who cannot present such proof ...

... and that's what will be happening if they can find any more officers willing to accept a civilian career in politics, or other reimbursement, for making the claim ... and being allowed not to follow their orders.

A free, get out of combat ticket ... just like the monopoly game this nation has become with the government owning Boardwalk ...

Johnson was born in 1908 before the requirement(s) for positive identification (footprint) and neonatal healthcare; although, he may have received silver nitrate solution in the eyes to prevent opthalmia, but which was not *required* by law, as it was when Obama was putatively born in Hawaii ... but which NO ONE CAN FIND ANY EVIDENCE OF ...

NO ONE CAN FIND ANY EVIDENCE OF ...

#283 | Posted by tadowe

Except, of course, the people who are actually responsible for maintaining the records.

A free, get out of combat ticket ... just like the monopoly game this nation has become with the government owning Boardwalk ...

#282 | Posted by tadowe

Tad, we've already stipulated that you're right. You're always right. You're incapable of being wrong. Infallable, omniscient, omnipotent, and probably omnivorous too.

Give it a rest.

www.great-britain.co.uk

hey look they found mccains baby footprint

"NO ONE CAN FIND ANY EVIDENCE OF ..."
#283 | Posted by tadowe

"Except, of course, the people who are actually responsible for maintaining the records."
Posted by SanAntonioRogue

Those no ones?

Explain this AP story nor.

Hey Sniper, you dipshit, that was an April Fools joke, catch up will you. No such story was in AP news or any news, go ahead look it up. Story was posted on April 1, was never published by anyone. Dipshit!

Orders revoked for soldier challenging prez


www.wnd.com


A U.S. Army Reserve major from Florida scheduled to report for deployment to Afghanistan within days has had his military orders revoked after arguing he should not be required to serve under a president who has not proven his eligibility for office.

His attorney, Orly Taitz, confirmed to WND the military has rescinded his impending deployment orders.

Afghanistan within days has had his military orders revoked after arguing he should not be required to serve under a president who has not proven his eligibility for office.

LOL! Next stop NOME.

I just don't get the birthers.

There's far better things to criticize Obama over.

Substantive and demonstrable things.

Uhm, we know Murphy. We've been discussing it for hours here.

"...after arguing he should not be required to serve under a president who has not proven his eligibility for office."

mind you, not because of the argument.

It isn't about me "being right."

The issue isn't about me. You and your ilk are the only ones who try to make me the subject; right or wrong, daffy or not.

I know that modern neonatal practices include records of birth, treatment(s) given and required state forms and public health documents. Physicians and, or licensed care givers must complete these forms and make them available as public records. They aren't "private records", per se.

If those records were in existence, then Obama and the collective gang would have presented them, long before now. These facts, and the lack of records is the crux of the matter, and I personally hope that some "volunteer" reservists will come forward and refuse to serve until the matter is resolved, finally.

If you neo-communists had an ounce of objectivity, you would ask your collective self why the president isn't presenting definitive proof through such records required by the state of Hawaii ...?

I just don't get the birthers.

There's far better things to criticize Obama over.

Substantive and demonstrable things.

#291 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine


Maybe, but those would require us to think, research, reason, and extrapolate data. We find it much easier to simply repost WND articles, and fraudulent anonymous Internet E-mails instead.

But thanks for your suggestion.

- Birthers Fomenting Dissent (BFD)

Not a one of any future refusal to go will result in courts martial -- they will all be "allowed" not to go, even though their charge against Obama was NOT a request to change orders assignement ... and everyone will know it is because this president is not a native born citizen as required by the constitution you neo-commies treat like toilet paper

Maybe, but those would require us to think, research, reason, and extrapolate data. We find it much easier to simply repost WND articles, and fraudulent anonymous Internet E-mails instead.
Posted by SanAntonioRogue

Bwahahaha. Sarah Palin's skirt was 1.375 inches too short today. Discuss.

"It isn't about me 'being right.'"

Yes, Tad. It most assuredly is exactly about that. That is why you struggle, flail, and wriggle to try and appear right in the face of evidence to the contrary.

"If you neo-communists had an ounce of objectivity, you would ask your collective self why the president isn't presenting definitive proof through such records required by the state of Hawaii ...?"

Because the people who oversee those records have verified on multiple occasions that they exist and are right where they are supposed to be.

And because no one but a small group of loons believes there is any basis to this idiocy.

And because it would be a stupid precedent to set that would open the door for even more loons to hound public officials with petty, frivolous challenges.

"But thanks for your suggestion."

Hey, you know me. Taking my delusions of grandeur as a given, I like to think of myself as a little bit Jim Brown to Obama's Lincoln.

"Birthers Fomenting Dissent (BFD)"

I'm all about dissent. I think its our duty as citizens, but this?

I enjoy being made the subject of discussion, Sanan, but you can't get that through your thickish, yellow-dog skull.

It demonstrates just how idiotic your form of "debate" just happens to be. Come on back on post two or three more displays of your ilks obsession with me, please.

I just hope there are more reservists with political hopes who will make this claim ... good luck to them, and bad cess on you studious idiots ...

I enjoy being made the subject of discussion, Sanan,

#300 | Posted by tadowe

Yes Tad, I know. We all know.

We all know that is your howl of indignation whenever you've been taken to the woodshed on the facts.

You're not that much fun anymore because you're not really a challenge these days. Anyway, I've responded factually to each and every point you've made. Your "message" is bogus so take from that what you will about the messenger.

(Whispers to Sanan)

Psst...Sanan...give it up sweetie. You can't tell him anything. You are corrct...he always has to be right. You brought a very good session of comments and clearly won that discussion. So, give it a rest and come join us on the nooner!!

Think he heard me??

(Done whispering)

Think he heard me??

(Done whispering)

#302 | Posted by Lisa

Only if he's got his Miracle Ear turned up all the way. : )

TAD---Wait a minute---Are you actually archiving comments I've made to you? If that's the case, then a few points---

1) Pretty strange, man.

2) I'm afraid I don't recall the quote you may be attributing to me.

3) I never archive anything I say, considering the mass of my contributions jejune and the few pearls that aren't too precious to profane with digital store.

Time to make peace, TAD. What do you say?

"OK doc, the AP doesn't know shit. You tell us the straight story."

Hey Sniper, you were told twice that it is not an AP Story, it was an April Fools joke, but go ahead keep on being a DipShit! No wonder people make fun of you.

as for what Hawaii supplies as a BC, that is what Obama supplied:
www.obamaconspiracy.org

Time to make peace, TAD. What do you say?
Posted by Zed

Reminds me of something that my grandmother says...

"wish in one hand.... "

TAD---Wait a minute---Are you actually archiving comments I've made to you? If that's the case, then a few points---

#304 | Posted by Zed

He just misattributed something I said a couple of posts earlier.

Taitz - a lunatic that uses people for the birther cause.
Cook, a volunteer that had, at anytime up to deployment, the right to just withdraw.
Sues the Pentagon over having to serve under Obama.
And WND and the righties, embracing birthers, get their transparent political stunt handed to them.
Cook loses his former job.
There will be no going back to the Pentagon as a contractor.
The Pentagon's already let Cook know.
There is moronic, and there is amazing, self defeating stupidity.

You birther righties are a hoot!

the birth certificates of adopted or born out side of Hawaii to Hawaii residents clearly are required to show location of birth, this took effect in 1982 and has no effect on Obama (who was born in 1961 and whose BC clearly shows birth location as Honolulu Hawaii)

Dipshit won't let facts get in the way of his ignorance!

I've never believed the "non-citizen" accusations, but I wonder why they immediately revoked his deployment order.....is Joe Biden making the decisions, or is this guy gonna disappear into Lake Michigan?

Oh great. This moron "soldier" is going to cap himself, and it's Bill Clinton all over again.

Or maybe Taitz will pull out all his teeth.

"His attorney, Orly Taitz"

I think Ms. Taitz should stick to filling cavities.

TAD---Wait a minute---

...Pretty strange, man.
#304 | Posted by Zed


Could it be...?

The TadFly has emerged once again................and now he's a Birther???

LOL!!!!!

(Personally, I believe Tadly was PERMAbanned from Country Kitchen Buffet because he wouldn't play nicely with others!)

All sarcasm aside, I think you may be on to something, Tadders!

The Werld Nutt Daily, or whichever fine publication, has broken new grounds in investigatory journalism with this story!

Your worst suspicions are, in fact, true -- Obama is a Black African Marxist Muslim, installed by malevolent shadowy figures in order to really do America in -- because his predecessors hadn't been doing a good enough job of it!!!

As I type these words, a detachment of Obama's most devoted Islamic Brownshirted Commissars is on its way to the geographic coordinates associated with your computer's IP address.

You will be promptly reeducated and subsequently reentered into society as deemed necessary. Thank you for your patronage!

~Obama, Inc.

Hag dismisses, "There's far better things to criticize Obama over."

It is a posted thread! Cadenhead posted it, not some rightwinger conspiracy! Talk to Rogers with your whine ... and suggest that he post some of those you're crying about ... so the neo-commie ilk can mock anyone who might reply, on point.

Notice all the "rational" discussion of me as the subject? Nice of them to demonstrate how obsessed they are with the practice of killing-the-messenger like wannabe King Davids. What a pack of cretins ... I'm platz with naches ...

I don't see what the big deal is Obama should just produce the long form birth certificate and get this over with. The longer he takes to come forward about this the more it seems he has something to hide. When he flubbed the oath he didn't hesitate to take it again.

"I don't see what the big deal is Obama should just produce the long form birth certificate and get this over with. "

And let you idiots actually start looking at important issues?

Psst...did you see the latest copy of the Ghana Daily Graphic?

Buz gets profound, "Obama should just produce the long form birth certificate and get this over with."

Of course if he had the formal birth certificate, with its extensive neonatal data, and along with the myriad of documents which are demanded in public health requirements on birth, he would have done so already.

It is becoming more and more apparent that they don't exist. So obvious with these numbers of refusals to serve under a falsely elected president that it will certainly be an issue at the next election ... with all the mutinies they will have to pretend are a "request to un-volunteer" making it obvious the documents do not exist ...

"It is becoming more and more apparent that they don't exist. "

Riiiiiiiiiiight. Because you don't to be a citizen to run for State Senate, US Senator, or President, and the Secret Service did no background checks, nor did the Republicans.

Good God, some people will believe anything.

"don't to" = don't need to

What a stupid thread, talk about the right on conspiracy theories.

LOL!

What a stupid thread, talk about the right on conspiracy theories.

???

How do you know the soldier was a right winger? I didn't see any mention of his party affiliation in the story. But if I was going to make and assumption, my guess would be that he is left wing. It is usually the left that signs the paper then decide they don't like it and want out later. Indeed, the left themselves like to rant about the militant right.

#318 | Posted by tadowe at 2009-07-16 03:21 AM

I love how Tad slinks away after getting his ass handed to him, then sneaks back in hours later hoping nobody remembers.

LOL!

It is usually the left that signs the paper then decide they don't like it and want out later.

#322 | Posted by goatman

Link, please.

Process him with a BCD and end it.

Link, please.

Personal exerience by observation. In the six years I was in the service, I knew about 25 people who tried to weasel out of their contractual obligation. Every one of them was left winger.

Riiiight.

How do you know the soldier was a right winger? I didn't see any mention of his party affiliation in the story. But if I was going to make and assumption, my guess would be that he is left wing.

How many birthers are left wing? You don't just strain your "anything the Right does" credulity, you embrace it. Besides, we all know how many "lefties" have accounts and post at Freepers.

See post #89.

'He's been a member of the site for nearly six years; on his profile page he calls himself a "staunch Republican and defender of the faith"'

Good grasping, Goatman.

Riiiight.

Why don't you just come out and call me a liar instead of hiding behind "riiiight"? No balls? And if you think my observations are incorrect, on what do you base this?

I'm not calling you a liar. I am expressing skepticism based on how frequently your "personal experiences" seem to pop up just in the nick of time.

Good grasping, Goatman.

I wasn't grasping, yav. In my post I specifically said, "I didn't see any mention of his party affiliation in the story". In a thread of over 300 posts, I'm sure I'm not the first who does not read every single one of them.

Good grasping in your attempt to negate what I said, yav.

I'm not calling you a liar. I am expressing skepticism based on how frequently your "personal experiences" seem to pop up just in the nick of ime.

Actually they 'popped up' around 30 years ago. I never mentioned them on this blog before because I didn't see a need to. And there will probably be other experiences I had in the service that I have not mentioned to date but will mention later. Will you be skeptical of those too? Do I need to declare all my life experiences now like variables in a computer program in order to make them valid later?

Every one of them was left winger.
#326 | Posted by goatman

I'm going to argue that the left doesn't espouse a "defend the US right or wrong" philosophy as consistently as the right does and that this may have something to do with your anecdotal experience.

And if you think my observations are incorrect, on what do you base this?

because it conflicts with his ideological beliefs.

Yes, I will continue to be skeptical of any claims made that cannot be supported by independent evidence, but were somehow miraculously "witnessed" by the claimant.

BTW, I am guilty of that too. I think most people are.

I'm going to argue that the left doesn't espouse a "defend the US right or wrong" philosophy as consistently as the right does and that this may have something to do with your anecdotal experience.

That certainly is a possibility

... but were somehow miraculously "witnessed" by the claimant.

Nothing miraculous about it. Just using my eyes and ears like the rest of the world does.

As I said, just have the balls to call me a liar and quit pussyfooting around.

That certainly is a possibility
#337 | Posted by goatman

Thank you.

See how easy that is, folks?

Every one of them was left winger.

#326 | Posted by goatman at 2009-07-16 08:13 AM | Reply |


That tool "Justsomjizz" comes to mind. That fruit signed up and quit. There's one leftwinger many drudgies know about.

Nothing miraculous about it.

#338 | Posted by goatman

So this happened 30 years ago, when you were in your early 20's (?) and you just happened to know all of these people's political views, and recall that of all the people you knew (25) who tried to get out of their service obligations,"every one of them was left winger."?

Gee, I can't imagine why I might be skeptical of that claim.

Particularly in light of the fact that it comes in conjunction with you accusing someone else of making a claim without any supporting facts.

Don't lead with your skepticism, rogue.

I found a way to take Goat at his word and simultaneously see how those 25 could have been doing the honorable thing in their minds, not merely being cowards.

In a thread of over 300 posts, I'm sure I'm not the first who does not read every single one of them.

Good grasping in your attempt to negate what I said, yav.

Yeah, the nerve of me to actually have read and researched a bit before spouting off. Grasping with facts and quotes isn't an "attempt" to negate what you said. It shuts it down.

True fashion, you can't just acknowledge your statement was wrong. Once again, you assumed so you could get to throw another undeserved punch towards the left.

You missed.

You chuckle heads are not checking what the UCMJ has to say. Article 88 says that an officer may not speak ill of the President, the Vice-President, the Secretary of State, and a whole bunch of other elected officials. The good major could probably be charged for violating Article 134, as well, for upsetting discipline and good order. I am thinking his days as a US Army Reserve officer are probably over. As an added bonus, the guy worked for a DOD contractor, and they fired his ass!

his orders REVOKED:

www.wnd.com

no explanation whatsoever.

Yeah, the nerve of me to actually have read and researched a bit before spouting off.

So you research every story before you comment on it, yav? And you expect others to do the same? I'm gonna borrow sanan's word:

Riiiight

True fashion, you can't just acknowledge your statement was wrong.

I now know it was wrong. But reading only the story attached to this thread, no, I do not acknowledge I was wrong. Vis-a-vis the article, I was correct when I said, " I didn't see any mention of his party affiliationin the story. That was 100% correct. The story linked to above did not list this. But true fashion, you cannot admit that that was a 100% true statement and I spoke correctly. The fact that there was another reference buried in these 300+ posts does not negate my statement.

Deal with it, yav.

So you research every story before you comment on it, yav? And you expect others to do the same? I'm gonna borrow sanan's word:

So you admit you were wrong?

So you admit you were wrong?

Nope. Again, I said, " I didn't see any mention of his party affiliation in the story. I went and re-read the linked story at the top of this thread, and I still don't see it.

So my statement is indeed correct.

I now know it was wrong. But reading only the story attached to this thread, no, I do not acknowledge I was wrong. Vis-a-vis the article, I was correct when I said, " I didn't see any mention of his party affiliationin the story. That was 100% correct.

Fair enough on the specific point. The second post refreshed between my post or I would have acknowledged your statement earlier.

You really are a dim collective, aren't you?

#258 | Posted by tadowe

Good one.

Federal judge dismisses reservist's suit questioning Obama's presidency
www.ledger-enquirer.com

it is over!

Funny how fst they canceled his orders....

Must be true, Obama is afraid to challenge for fear of having to prove the lie which he can not do so he is fucked and had to cancel the orders. And if its true biden will not be shit because anyone obama picked or appointed will be out as they are not legal either. Maybe a special election for Americans only and not slave selling U Bangee Mau Mau's

There's far better things to criticize Obama over.

Substantive and demonstrable things.

#291 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine


Questioning his place of birth is not criticism. Questioning and criticizing are not the same things.

John says, "As an added bonus, the guy worked for a DOD contractor, and they fired his ass!"

Ah! Revenge through government contract! You can depend on Democratics to come through with their vicious efforts and practices, that's for sure!

Now, since it will be more than just apparent that he was released from employment as payback for having his "request" to "unvolunteer" approved by the military (a practice that at least one leftist here knows is a farce (Hag)), he can probably sue them for a lifetime's worth of reimbursement ... what a joke these incidents are becoming in their obvious conduct!

And because it would be a stupid precedent to set that would open the door for even more loons to hound public officials with petty, frivolous challenges.

#298 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

I don't think it would be considered unprecedented if he were made to prove his birthplace. Certainly it has never happened but then we've never had a situation quite like this. I'm not big on saying that he wasn't born in America, but I have to say that the circumstances surrounding his birth are awfully sketchy and there is good reason for people to be suspicious.

BTW, Hagbard which "substantive and demonstrable things" would you consider discussing that Obama is "in trouble" over ...?

Everlong,


I am of the mindset that if something were truly amiss regarding his birth, the Hillary camp and/or the RNC would have ferretted it out.

Hagbard which "substantive and demonstrable things" would you consider discussing that Obama is "in trouble" over ...?

I am curious as well.

John hopes, "... violating Article 134 ..."

Wow, things whiz past you at a rapid pace, don't they, John?

If they charge him with ANY offense under the UCMJ, he can present his case, and the prosecution MUST disprove it, or further indications of the reality (no valid birth certificate) will set in and damage Obama's credibility ...

He will go free of any such effort to "get even" and since this issue has been morphed into being a "voluntary request for change of orders" and "approved" by the military; instead of being a protest against obeying illegal orders ...

This is what, the third or fourth "protest" that has been dismissed? How many more will it take before Obama ends the controversy ruining his reputation and allows his "private" public records to be released ...?

Jeff says, "I am of the mindset that if something were truly amiss regarding his birth, the Hillary camp and/or the RNC would have ferretted it out."

You certainly know how I feel about these tacit agreements that "reasonable" individuals make with the neo-socialist Democratics.

It takes an abandonment of reason to suppose that Democratics would destroy the chance of becoming the dictatorial, Constitution denying party in-charge by invalidating one of their potential presidents!

Your tacit "agreements" have been more an indication of the depth of your "reasoning" ability, than it indicates your self-serving effort to be "objective" and gather support from leftist liars ...

Riiiight.

#327 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

I guess you and doc are the final athority on everything.

I guess you and doc are the final athority on everything.

Danforth will be pissed you said that Sniper

I guess you and doc are the final athority on everything.

#363 | Posted by Sniper

Says the guy who was quoting from, and defending an anonymous April Fool's hoax E-mail as factual evidence.

LOL!

I guess you and doc are the final athority on everything.
#363 | Posted by Sniper

Finally, I understand why you're so addicted to plagiarizing. After all, look what happens when you don't plagiarize: you sound like an igonrant, resentful buffoon.

Do a l'il stalking today, Scotchie?

#362 | Posted by tadowe

Hillary Clinton is one of the most ambitious politicians I've seen in my lifetime. I find it extremely difficult to believe that she and her campaign didn't dig as deeply as they could into Obama's birth. Ditto for the RNC.

I am not saying that makes it 100% definitive, just that it makes it so incredibly likely that I have no reason to doubt Obama's claim as being an American citizen.

That has nothing to do with attemting to garner 'agreement'.

When I view this issue, the conclusion that I reach is that Obama is a citizen. What do you expect me to do? Ignore my own conclusions just so that I can attack some lefty Democratics?

Do a l'il stalking today, Scotchie?

#367 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2009-07-16 02:29 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose) Jealousy?

Jeff argues, "Hillary Clinton is one of the most ambitious politicians I've seen in my lifetime. I find it extremely difficult to believe that she and her campaign didn't dig as deeply as they could into Obama's birth. Ditto for the RNC."

Why respond with this sort of tripe, Jeff? No one in the Democratic party would NOT KNOW Obama'a "status" vis a vis "certification of birth" with which to begin ...!

They certainly know of Hillary's crimes and misdemeanors, or do you think Obama had to investigate and then not use the resulting FACTS to ruin her chances ...

... because he is so "ambititous" ...

Or, are you really this dense?

Jeff goes on, "I am not saying that makes it 100% definitive, just that it makes it so incredibly likely that I have no reason to doubt Obama's claim as being an American citizen."

... maybe you are ...

Certainly the word, "tacit", seems to escape your understanding.

BTW, no one is denying Obama's right to citizenship ... try for some written accuracy, okay?

#370 | Posted by tadowe

That's what happens when you get involved with Tad, Jeff... incoherent ramblings and spittle.

Sanan soto voce, "That's what happens when you get involved with Tad, Jeff... incoherent ramblings and spittle."

Notice how your "agreement" is used, Jeff?

Probably zips right on past, like a leftist's understanding, since it would involve some self-criticism and true objectivity to acknowledge ...

"Notice how your "agreement" is used, Jeff?"

Hey, you're the one who called him "dense", and his opinion "tripe".

By the way, check the meaning of "soto voce" so you don't misapply the term next time.

Sanan shows his "understanding", "Hey, you're the one who called him 'dense', and his opinion 'tripe'."

I rationalized why his "opinion" might qualify for those appellations, Sanan, and whereas your "reasoning", above, is merely and excuse for misusing his tacit agreement with your collective of lying leftists. Your are one of the true dunces on this site who abuse such efforts at objectivity ... not Jeff.

Sanan proves this latest effort to define his ilk, directly above, "By the way, check the meaning of "soto voce" so you don't misapply the term next time."

Oh, sorry about the misspelling of "sotto voce", Sanan ... or is it you who doesn't understand the meaning of the term in relation to #372?

Dense agreement, here, Jeff (i mumble sotto voce)...

"I rationalized why his "opinion" might qualify for those appellations"

Bull puckey.

"Oh, sorry about the misspelling of "sotto voce", Sanan .."

Uhm, I didn't correct your spelling. I just said you misapplied the term... which you did.

Sanan declares, "Uhm, I didn't correct your spelling. I just said you misapplied the term... which you did."

BP, yourself, Sanan. If I had actually misused the term, you could explain why, instead of pretend your understanding by making an unsupported claim.

#372 defines my meaning of using the term, and if not, then you can reason why that isn't so ... good luck, leftist loser ...

They certainly know of Hillary's crimes and misdemeanors, or do you think Obama had to investigate and then not use the resulting FACTS to ruin her chances ...


... because he is so "ambititous" ...

That's a pretty decent point. However, Hillary's skeletons are pretty well-known, so I am not at all sure this is an apples-to-apples comparison.

Also, it's not just the ambitions of Hillary and the RNC that have brought me to my conclusion. The governor of Hawaii claims to have viewed the 'official' document and stated that it's legit. Going further, I have yet to see well-substantiated allegations that the vetting process for determining his citizenship weren't held to standard. That's probably the biggest determinant for me. If the standards were met, then why all of the fuss?

-why all of the fuss?


BECAUSE THEY LOST THE ELECTION!

And they can't get over it.

If I had actually misused the term, you could explain why,

#377 | Posted by tadowe

Because I was not whispering, speaking in low tones, or mumbling. I was speaking directly to Jeff, in full "voice".

And speaking of "unsupported claims"... you're still the King, so rest easy.

Tad, you're really no fun anymore because you're not even a challenge.

Once there was the legend of the Lion of the DR, resplendent in his vitriol, awesome in his verbosity. But now, only a hollow, withered husk remains. As a solitary tear trickles down his wizened, stubbled cheek, a barely audible, rasping voice, like an old rusty hinge, can scarcely be heard whispering... "notice me - I matter. I MATTER!"

But no one cowed. No one noticed. No one cared.


Now - be sure to post your "Martyrdom Link" before you go.


Personally, I like the dishonorable discharge story best.

Jeff continues, "That's a pretty decent point."

... but ...

"However, Hillary's skeletons are pretty well-known, so I am not at all sure this is an apples-to-apples comparison."

So, you extent the reasoning hyperbolically and demand that my comparison be some icon of perfection ... but you're not sure?

"Also, it's not just the ambitions of Hillary and the RNC that have brought me to my conclusion."

Which "ambition" would control the issue? Hillary's or the DNC's? Why are you attempting to discredit my reasoned opinion, with this sort of shallow consideration(s), Jeff?

"The governor of Hawaii claims to have viewed the 'official' document and stated that it's legit."

No one is denying that they have issued a public document any more than they are denying that Obama is a citizen of the USA - just not a state's citizen, Jeff, and you have certainly noticed that these documents are NOT official birth records, and which would certify that person as having been born in that state. Your efforts at "agreement" seem more important to you than the facts ... why?

"Going further, I have yet to see well-substantiated allegations that the vetting process for determining his citizenship weren't held to standard. That's probably the biggest determinant for me. If the standards were met, then why all of the fuss?"

If Obama were born in any state of the United States, then an official birth record would be available ... and isn't so available in combination with the official public health records demanded of birth and treatment in every state of the USA ...

Neither Obama, nor Clinton would act to thwart the DNC's desire that one of them become the neo-socialist president of the USA ... and I think you know that, don't you?


Sanan explains, "Because I was not whispering, speaking in low tones, or mumbling. I was speaking directly to Jeff, in full 'voice'."

Thanks for attempting to reason, Sanan.

... but ...

When onstage, the actors speak in "full voice" as they act-out as speaking in a low tone (the term was originally musical and then used as metaphor).

Evidently, you don't understand the metaphorical use, huh?

Nice try though, leftist loser ...

No one is denying that they have issued a public document any more than they are denying that Obama is a citizen of the USA - just not a state's citizen

You lost me.


If Obama were born in any state of the United States, then an official birth record would be available.

Perhaps this is simply ignorance on my part - what IS the official standard? My understanding is that what Obama provided was sufficient to meet the standard of proof of his citizenship. If my understanding can be proven wrong, I'll gladly change my view. If I am correct, then I don't see why all of the fuss. He shouldn't be expected to be held to a higher standard than his peers in this regard, nor should he be expected to dignify any of this if he's already met standard.

Let's turn this around. One of you conspiracy theorists needs to come up with his birth certificate from Kenya, or wherever you think he was born. Shouldn't be that difficult.

If Obama were born in any state of the United States, then an official birth record would be available ... and isn't so available in combination with the official public health records demanded of birth and treatment in every state of the USA ...

#383 | Posted by tadowe

I don't know why, but I'm going to repeat this one more time. Those records exist, they have not been made public per Hawaii state law.

"Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaii's Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.

Dr. Chiyome Fukino said she has 'personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.'" www.factcheck.org

"Hawaii state law forbids the release of birth or marriage certificates to anyone but the persons named in the documents or their immediate relatives." www.factcheck.org

"The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth (original birth certificate) and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual's birth. The Certificate of Live Birth generally has more information which is useful for genealogical purposes as compared to the Certification of Live Birth which is a computer-generated printout that provides specific details of a person's birth. Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth." www.obamaconspiracy.org

For Immediate Release: October 31, 2008 08-93
STATEMENT BY DR. CHIYOME FUKINO

"There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama's official birth certificate. State law (Hawaii Revised Statutes 338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.

"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawaii, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

"No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawaii."

hawaii.gov

Let's not forget this one...

whatreallyhappened.com

Governor Lingle: Story about sealing Obama records is FALSE!

Aloha,

Thank you for emailing Governor Linda Lingle's office. A recent article in WorldNetDaily.com (October 26, 2008) claiming that Hawaii Governor Linda Lingle sealed Sen. Barack Obama's birth certificate is false.

Under Hawaii's state law (Hawaii Revised Statutes 338-18), copies of vital records may only be released to those who have a tangible relationship to the person whose record is being sought. Neither the Governor's office, nor any other office in the State of Hawai'i, can provide information concerning birth certificates, or produce birth certificates, to anyone except those who are listed in the law governing vital statistics records.

Vital statistics records, such as birth certificates, are protected by strict confidentiality requirements. Specifically, pursuant to section 338-18, Hawaii Revised Statutes (HRS), the Department of Health, which maintains these records, may not allow the inspection of a birth certificate, or issue a certified copy of a birth certificate, or disclose any information contained in a birth certificate, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record:

...

You can find the complete statute at www.capitol.hawaii.gov

Mahalo,

Office of Governor Lingle

When onstage, the actors speak in "full voice" as they act-out as speaking in a low tone (the term was originally musical and then used as metaphor).

#384 | Posted by tadowe

Well, since I was neither "on stage", nor "acting out speaking in a low tone", I must again reach the same conclusion... you're all wet.

Jeff responds, "You lost me. Perhaps this is simply ignorance on my part - what IS the official standard? My understanding is that what Obama provided was sufficient to meet the standard of proof of his citizenship."

Each state has a different form that hospitals and clinics use to identify the newborn, and also those processes and procedures to be made public record - not "private" as the issue is being handled, falsely. Usually, the form includes all vital statistics, attending physician, footprint (because handprints are difficult with newborn but may now be required in various states (i don't know about), etc.

The Constitution demands that any president be a "naturally born" citizen of one of the states of the United States. Foreign born are not denied citizenship in the USA, but are denied the right to be president, and which the Founders debated extensively.

"If my understanding can be proven wrong, I'll gladly change my view."

I had no reference to your "view" other than that your shallow, unsure understanding will be misused when you seek to "agree" with the leftist liars on this site ... or anywhere else! My contention is an attempt to help you, Jeff, because your agreement will be abused, not foster any "change" to their "view", and yours tacitly suborned to vilify and demean, as you see.

As you and others have noticed, I don't try to tacitly agree with conservatives, either ... and get my agreement morphed into tacitly agreeing with every issue they might steal my support using ...

I must again reach the same conclusion... you're all wet.

#389 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2009-07-16 04:23 PM | Reply


23 skidoo ya soda jerk!

(Whispers to Sanan)

Psst...Sanan...give it up sweetie. You can't tell him anything. You are correct...he always has to be right. You brought a very good session of comments and clearly won that discussion. So, give it a rest and come join us on the nooner!!

Think he heard me??

(Done whispering)

#302 | Posted by Lisa

Now HERE is an example of someone speaking sotto voce.

See?

Tad is Celisary crazy.

"Each state has a different form that hospitals and clinics use to identify the newborn, and also those processes and procedures to be made public record - not "private" as the issue is being handled, falsely. Usually, the form includes all vital statistics, attending physician, footprint (because handprints are difficult with newborn but may now be required in various states (i don't know about), etc."


Addressed by the State of Hawaii in my #387.

Tad is Celisary crazy.

#393 | Posted by 101Chairborne

Opposite ends of the "Certified Loon" spectrum.

The Constitution demands that any president be a "naturally born" citizen of one of the states of the United States. Foreign born are not denied citizenship in the USA, but are denied the right to be president, and which the Founders debated extensively.

#390 | Posted by tadowe

If that were true then John McCain would not have been eligible to be President.

Sanan avoids the obvious, "Well, since I was neither "on stage", nor "acting out speaking in a low tone", I must again reach the same conclusion... you're all wet."

This thread is a "stage", see? That's a metaphor - do you know what a "metaphor" means? You were speaking to Jeff, individually, as if no one else could "hear" your "low toned" effort to revile another person (who supposedly might not "hear" the comment).

Never mind, I know you won't understand, on purpose, so that you can be "right", right, Sannan ...?

#397 | Posted by tadowe

Did you REALLY think that fooled anyone?

PS: You haven't posted your "Martyrdom Link" in quite some time now. You're overdue.

Sanan supports my contention with Jeff, "If that were true then John McCain would not have been eligible to be President."

You'd think the DNC would be all over that like stink on sheis, right, Jeff? Or, do you think they might not want to make an issue of it, make a Constitutional demand mute whatever the results of the election ...

... or would they use it after he "won" if that had occured?

... or are in tacit agreement with the RINO Republican party of idiots more interested in saving their "jobs" than the following the law of our nation?

Think about it, Jeff ...

#400 | Posted by tadowe

You seem to be conveniently dodging the facts again, old sod.

Sanan proves he's a liar, "PS: You haven't posted your "Martyrdom Link" in quite some time now. You're overdue."

I didn't create the link, Sanan, one of you leftists made the definition. It is a "Persecution by Leftist Creeps" link.

You might notice the number of dehumanizing hatemongers who agree to persecute? Amazing, huh?

Nailed up and then reviled as a "Martyr(dom)" victim, too ... and I love that irony, leftist loser creep persecutors and neo-commies of the Democratic party!

Now, everyone can get a "tadowe" mug which will spread libel far and wide, at 19.95! Just click on the link and order, here.

Sorry my link failed ...

click on the mug link, here, at Urbandictionary.

THIS GUY HAS SOME GUTS AND SOME STANDING TO BRING THIS SUIT FUCKING HNIC NEEDS TO PRODUCE PROOF !

"Sanan proves he's a liar, "PS: You haven't posted your "Martyrdom Link" in quite some time now. You're overdue."

That's a lie? I didn't say you created it, old man. But you LOVE to post it so you can prove your martyrdom regularly. LOL!

Sanan addresses me sotto voce, "Did you REALLY think that fooled anyone?"

Who are you talking about, in such low tones, Sanan? Who is "anyone"? Is "anyone" else saying that my use of the term "sotto voce" was incorrect?

No, you idiot! So stop whispering in my ear, you leftist lying persecuting neo-commie creep ... why not?

#407 | Posted by tadowe

Meanwhile, for someone who always claims no one wants to discuss the issues, you're studiously avoiding doing so.

But I guess if you pretend not to notice all the documented refutations of your own unsubstantiated claims, maybe you'll be safe, hiding behind your faux indignation.

But I'm tired of playing with you now. Back in the box.

Sanan gets rabidly obsessive and can't stop stalking his bete noire, "That's a lie?"

The site was created to persecute, not martyr, so it is a purposeful misrepresentation (lie) to define it as being a martyrdom site.

Sanan can't stop drooling, "I didn't say you created it, old man. But you LOVE to post it so you can prove your martyrdom regularly. LOL!"

Unreal! Now, I'm made a "victim" to further revile because I like to demonstrate how obsessed the leftist liars are with me, personally, and reveal their hatemongering, libelous natures as scum neo-socialist vermin ...

... to rich, right Jeff? Don't you just hate it when these idiots use your agreement to further spew their calumny and stupid lies? I must confess I love the levels or irony it produces ...

Sanan?

When are ya goimg to learn??

Lol

"And if you think my observations are incorrect, on what do you base this?

#329 | Posted by goatman"


He is just chock full of anecgoatal evidence.

Reinsure says, "THIS GUY HAS SOME GUTS AND SOME STANDING TO BRING THIS SUIT FUCKING HNIC NEEDS TO PRODUCE PROOF !"

I sure hope there are more conservative heros who will refuse to serve under illegal orders, too, but HNIC will NOT produce such proof, as it is under the control of the neo-socialist regime who are dictatorially running this nation: the Democratic Party.

The more they try to shift those refusals into being "requests for change of orders" and then allowing them to mutiny without recourse ...

Obama, the DNC don't care a fig for the USA's military discipline, since they plan on reducing it so they can steal more from the country, the commie creeps ...

He is just chock full of anecgoatal evidence.

Chock full of denial is more like it. If I had proffered an anecdote that dovetailed with his highly partisan views, I've no doubt he would have accepted it without question.

That's what a lifetime of wearing blinders does to a person.

Obama, the DNC don't care a fig for the USA's military discipline, since they plan on reducing it so they can steal more from the country, the commie creeps ...

#412 | Posted by tadowe

Yeah that is right! Just before he implements his plan to enslave the white race.

You need help.

If you own a gun please make sure you are registered with your local sheriff's department. You are beginning to sound like one of those shrill right wings extremists bro.

For the good of society please see your shrink asap and have him up your meds.

Tad is Celisary crazy.

#393 | Posted by 101Chairborne

Opposite ends of the "Certified Loon" spectrum.

They are probably like matter and antimatter -- bring them together and untold amounts of energy would be released.

Donner gets boyish, "Yeah that is right! Just before he implements his plan to enslave the white race. You need help."

You need help understanding that I enjoy the mockery you idiots use in place of reason.

"If you own a gun please make sure you are registered with your local sheriff's department."

Gun ownership is a right under our Constitution and can't be infringed by *requiring* registration of said tools. Carry permits for concealed weapons are an "infringement" which local juristictions, and states, can vote into being regulation, not "ownership".

"You are beginning to sound like one of those shrill right wings extremists bro."

I, unlike your ilk, don't mind being called names. Instead, I enjoy the demonstration it makes in revealing the lack of ability to discuss political issues, on point, by the leftist vermin you associate yourself with, collectively.

"For the good of society please see your shrink asap and have him up your meds."

Thanks for your sensitive and leftist lying advice, commie wannabe ...

Sanan?

When are ya goimg to learn??

Lol

#410 | Posted by Lisa

I know Lisa, I know. But its kinda fun watching him squirm, while trying to pretend he's not squirming. You can't by entertainment like that!

101 says, "Tad is Celisary crazy."

Goat responds, "Opposite ends of the "Certified Loon" spectrum. They are probably like matter and antimatter -- bring them together and untold amounts of energy would be released."

I suspect 101 is frustrated that Rogers didn't engage in further argument, and reissues his "agreement" with the lying leftists due to my not following his political correctness dictates.

Goat joins in with the effort to defame someone who has also disagreed with some of his contentions, ala lying leftist efforts on this site to defame and revile me, personally.

Two ducks quacking in collective agreement with the petty attack artists of the Democratic party ...

They love it when you all agree with them, right Jeff?

Come on back, anyone who wants to vilify me, I enjoy all those demonstrations of your own inability to argue the points I've presented; psuedo-conservatives, or their lying comrades of the tovarisch of the left ... really ...

My point was that I agree: You are celisary crazy. No need to argue the point -- I really don't think there is anyone on this blog other than you who believes otherwise and you will never believe it. Crazy people don't recognize their own insanity

I enjoy all those demonstrations of your own inability to argue the points I've presented;

#418 | Posted by tadowe

I'm sure you'll all notice how he loves to wail and weep that no one will argue or discuss his (generally unsubstantiated) points. But when anyone does, he ignores them, pretends it never happened, then when an appropriate amount of time passes, wails and weeps again about how no one can address the issues.

Martyr, thy name is Tadly.

Goat makes excuses, "My point was that I agree: You are celisary crazy."

You repeat yourself, not justify the attack, dufus.

"No need to argue the point -- I really don't think there is anyone on this blog other than you who believes otherwise and you will never believe it. Crazy people don't recognize their own insanity"

What point of disagreement are you making with any point I've presented? You are trying to address the audience, not convince me of any support you have for your personal attack. How does agreeing that I'm "crazy" have anything to do with the thread?

No, you're displaying personal dislike, not justifying any insanity I've demonstrated ... come on back and continue with me as your subject, as the leftists are doing (well, and along with 101 with whom I've disagreed, previously, too, and can't resist displaying his similar spite ...)

What point of disagreement are you making with any point I've presented?

I don't care about any points you've presented. It's not a subtle point I'm making, tad.

Gun ownership is a right under our Constitution and can't be infringed by *requiring* registration of said tools.

I knew it! Another gun owning (possibly bible clinging) right wing extremist! I figure I will be reading about your "flameout" any day now.

Goat admits his attack was personal, "I don't care about any points you've presented. It's not a subtle point I'm making, tad."

An "honest" attack artist, then, right? You and 101 join the leftists in their personal attacks on me, and their obsession with making me their subject to 'discuss' ...

No wonder you don't like me and lash out with personal attacks - I'm forcing you into making them via my internet "special" power to compell your abusive desire to make me your "argument".

I feel sad for you, Goat. It is always such a trap to confront you egocentric jerks impelling your spiteful posts without even having to address you all, directly first ... right?

Why are you using your exchanges with Goatman to avoid addressing all of the documented rebuttals made to your "points"? Is it because it would reduce the already thin veneer of your martyrdom?

Sanan pretends to being interested, "Why are you using your exchanges with Goatman to avoid addressing all of the documented rebuttals made to your "points"?"

I wonder if you are saying I don't have some "right" to reply to verbal assaults? That would sure be the typical, tyrannical attitude of the neo-socialist party, but is that your argument?

Besides, where is your point, on thread? It seems I'm still your subject to discuss, as you avoid replying to my on-point contentions ... typical "logic" of the liars inhabiting the left ...

"Is it because it would reduce the already thin veneer of your martyrdom?"

What "martyrdom" are you talking about? Is that some point vis a vis the thread?

Aren't you the icon of obsession with me; outside of Alex's efforts?

Sanan, I've read back and don't find any cogent points that have been made in response, concerning this thread's issue(s) ... which of them are you saying rebutted my opinion(s)?

I've read back and don't find any cogent points that have been made in response, concerning this thread's issue(s) ..

#427 | Posted by tadowe

Well isn't that conveeeeeeeenient?

LOL!

You're not really even trying anymore.

Sanan avoids answering via mockery, "Well isn't that conveeeeeeeenient? LOL! You're not really even trying anymore."

Well, my power extends to forcing you not to reply, except with me as your subject, too!

Here, address this point:

Each state requires that the birth be registered with the data identifying the newborn child; including a footprint. This record must be presented to the state by law.

Where is the record so identifying Obama as having been born in Hawaii, and why not present it instead of permitting mutiny to corrupt the discipline of the services, and to the detriment of the nation and his credibility?

And as I've posted at least twice on this thread, with appropriate links, according to Hawaiian officials, it is exactly where it is supposed to be.

Tadowe asks:

Where is the record so identifying Obama as having been born in Hawaii, and why not present it instead of permitting mutiny to corrupt the discipline of the services, and to the detriment of the nation and his credibility?

According to Hawaii state law (as contained within Rogue's link), the state of Hawaii is forbidden, by law, to release those records to the public.

They can release those records to Obama, and he can then choose to release them to the public, but he has no legal compulsion to do so, as far as I can tell. If I recall correctly, the governor of Hawaii personally reviewed the official documents and claimed them to be legitimate.

Having said that, I would argue that such records should be made available to the public, as a matter of law, regarding any public servant, especially as high-profile as POTUS.

Sanan avoids the point, again, "And as I've posted at least twice on this thread, with appropriate links, according to Hawaiian officials, it is exactly where it is supposed to be."

That "argument" is the propaganda being used to claim a "certification of birth" is the same as a "birth certificate" and which by law demands a footprint, at least. That is a virtual 'lie' because the documents are NOT equivalent.

If Obama was born in Hawaii, they could present a valid "birth certificate", with footprint, and along with attending physician/legal caregiver's signature and other extensive data included by state law. Other documents, demanded by public health authorities would be on record, supporting the validity of any claim to being born in state.

Besides, the propaganda has already been contradicted by others prior to my commentary ... but you'll continue to ignore the facts to continue to virtually lie for your neo-socialist regime ...

"If Obama was born in Hawaii, they could present a valid "birth certificate", with footprint, and along with attending physician/legal caregiver's signature and other extensive data included by state law. Other documents, demanded by public health authorities would be on record, supporting the validity of any claim to being born in state."

Why are you having so much difficulty comprehending the answer to your question?

Both the State Director of Health Services, and the Director of Vital Records have attested that the appropriate and legally required documentation of Obama's birth are on file, exactly where they should be.

Now I typed that very, very slowly so you can keep up.

Next, as I've stated, and Jeff just reiterated, Hawaii state law prohibits the release of those documents to the public without the individual's (or next of kin's) permission.

Now, you can argue that he could and/or should release them. But he doesn't have to.

Capice?

That "argument" is the propaganda being used to claim a "certification of birth" is the same as a "birth certificate" and which by law demands a footprint, at least. That is a virtual 'lie' because the documents are NOT equivalent.

True.


If Obama was born in Hawaii, they could present a valid "birth certificate"

Except that their own state law legally prohibits them from doing so. Perhaps their state law is unconstitutional - it's possible given that the Constitution requires POTUS to be a citizen, and thus be able to prove citizenship.

Rogue,


Now, you can argue that he could and/or should release them. But he doesn't have to.

Unless Hawaii state law is in violation of the Constitution, as I pondered above.

Unless Hawaii state law is in violation of the Constitution, as I pondered above.

#435 | Posted by JeffJ

I assume release could be compelled by court order or subpoena, but otherwise there is nothing unconstitutional about keeping them sealed. Every state I'm familiar with has similar privacy laws.

"it's possible given that the Constitution requires POTUS to be a citizen, and thus be able to prove citizenship."

My guess is that if he was required to prove that to anyone, it would be to the federal election commission and not the general public. Perhaps a freedom of information request could reveal what, if any, due diligence was performed by said commission with regard to Obama.

That "argument" is the propaganda being used to claim a "certification of birth" is the same as a "birth certificate" and which by law demands a footprint, at least. That is a virtual 'lie' because the documents are NOT equivalent.

True.


#434 | Posted by JeffJ

Not true. See my post #387- center link for what is a legal document in the state of Hawaii.

Jeff finds objective support for the leftist propaganda, "Except that their own state law legally prohibits them from doing so."

Why the hyperbole, Jeff? My "powers" extend to making you quibble? There is no *demand* that the state break any "rules" of privacy. Get real.

"Perhaps their state law is unconstitutional ..."

Is this mockery, Jeff? It would certainly be up to Obama to provide the definitive proof. Perhaps you can rationalize his refusal to do so in the face of mutiny ...?

Otherwise, you are out of your league.

I remember seeing the factcheck.org site where they showed pictures of Obama's birth certificate. They claimed to have "had the opportunity to examine it" but never explained how that opportunity came about. It all looked fine and legit, but was there ever any corroboration of their story by Hawaiian government or the Obama campaign?

I believe he was born in Hawaii, I just think his past is awfully strange, and his campaign's response to the allegations didn't do much to discredit the allegations. Almost all the proving was done by bloggers.

Jeff - here's another key point that is often missed in this issue...

The birth announcements in the Hawaiian newspapers are not announcements that are "placed" by individuals, they are in the "Vital Statistics" listings where birth records, marriage licenses, and death announcements (not obituaries) are found. Those things are taken by the newspapers from them being registered/filed with the state.

It all looked fine and legit, but was there ever any corroboration of their story by Hawaiian government or the Obama campaign?

#440 | Posted by JOE

Yes. The Director of Health verified its authenticity. (I don't have the link handy). She even said "It looks exactly like my own."

ZOMG, 400+ posts on this stupid shit! For fuck's sake...

I believe he was born in Hawaii, I just think his past is awfully strange, and his campaign's response to the allegations didn't do much to discredit the allegations. Almost all the proving was done by bloggers.

#440 | Posted by JOE

Keep it up Joe you just might change my low opinion of shysters

I'm serious

PS: The examination came at the invitation of the Obama campaign after the "its a fake" stories started appearing in WND.

Perhaps a freedom of information request could reveal what, if any, due diligence was performed by said commission with regard to Obama.

#437 | Posted by JOE

As far as I can tell, that is about the only course of avenue left.


Why the hyperbole, Jeff? My "powers" extend to making you quibble? There is no *demand* that the state break any "rules" of privacy.

Then what is it you are after then? If your position is that he should release the official documents, then fine. I was only pointing out that he has no legal compulsion to do so - I thought I was pretty clear about that.


Is this mockery, Jeff?

No.


It would certainly be up to Obama to provide the definitive proof. Perhaps you can rationalize his refusal to do so in the face of mutiny.

Which is precisely why I allowed for the possibility that perhaps Hawaii state law violates the Constitution in this particular instance.


Rogue-Not true. See my post #387- center link for what is a legal document in the state of Hawaii.

The contention isn't about the legality of the document - it was simply pointing out crucial differences between a birth certificate and a certificate of birth.

The contention isn't about the legality of the document - it was simply pointing out crucial differences between a birth certificate and a certificate of birth.

#446 | Posted by JeffJ

Tadly's contention is that legally they are not the same thing. Under Hawaiian law, they are.

When the state issued the "certification of birth", they may have done so based on documents which could be released to prove the fact that Obama was indeed born in state.

Producing the substitute "birth certificate" which would have been made by law, identifying Obama and along with the official footprint, among other vital statistics, would reveal a different time and, or date than if he had been born in that hospital/facility, and the documents signed and dated as they would have been under law, at the time of birth.

So, consequently the impression remains that the documents are being withheld to hide the facts, rather than present them to confirm his credibility; along with the DNC's, et al ...

I believe he was born in Hawaii, I just think his past is awfully strange,


Yeah...his past does come off as strange, and I am not talking about just his childhood. I know he's authored a couple of books from his perspective, but do we have accounts from his past, that go into meaningful detail and specificity, from a 3rd party? I am asking because I don't know.

"Yes. The Director of Health verified its authenticity. (I don't have the link handy). She even said "It looks exactly like my own."

I remember that. But she never specifically corroborated factcheck.com's supposed "time spent" with the birth certificate. I don't think the campaign did either. So were those pictures ever authenticated as legit? With enough work it seems like the right person could create a document like that which appears to be real. It was in mint condition.

#450 | Posted by JOE

The campaign did, because they are the ones who invited factcheck to examine it.

It was in mint condition because it had just been issued recently. The campaign ordered the copy from Hawaii in response to inquiries about his birth place.

So, consequently the impression remains that the documents are being withheld to hide the facts, rather than present them to confirm his credibility; along with the DNC's, et al ...


That's a fair point. While I don't feel any politician has a moral obligation to address any opposition grievance that they have no legal compulsion to do so....sometimes, it would be pragmatic to do so, particularly for a candidate who campaigned extensively on government-transparency.

Hawaii does NOT have a separate "certification of birth" versus a "birth certificate".

They have a CERTIFIED COPY OF BIRTH RECORD:

hawaii.gov

Here's where you download the form asking for a CERTIFIED COPY OF BIRTH RECORD.

hawaii.gov

The "certification of birth" versus "birth certificate" "argument" is bullshit.

but do we have accounts from his past, that go into meaningful detail and specificity, from a 3rd party? I am asking because I don't know.

#449 | Posted by JeffJ

There have been several extensive magazine interviews with people who were college friends/roommates and co-workers. No major books that I know of.

#448 | Posted by tadowe

I have to give you a big "duh" for that one. It only took you a couple of hundred posts to figure out what everyone has been saying all along.

There have been several extensive magazine interviews with people who were college friends/roommates and co-workers.

Cool.

Jeff says, "Then what is it you are after then?"

Is it always about me, Jeff? I can't argue the points of debate without having you and, or the ilk making me into the subject?

"If your position is that he should release the official documents, then fine. I was only pointing out that he has no legal compulsion to do so - I thought I was pretty clear about that."

And, evidently you don't know what the term "quibble" means. Where did I *demand* that Obama produce any records against his will? You obfuscate through misdirection, certainly not being "pretty clear about that".

"No."

Then, you actually think it might be unconstitutional to have a constitutional law protecting personal privacy? You are making a fool of yourself with this sort of egocentic response ... but the league you're in (of whatever party or political philosphy) thinks you've made me into one ... ironic, what?

"Which is precisely why I allowed for the possibility that perhaps Hawaii state law violates the Constitution in this particular instance."

More inane 'stuff', Jeff, and since you've already indicated that it is "up" to Obama, not state constitutional law that is somehow violating the US Constitution, which protects in the exact same way!

"The campaign did, because they are the ones who invited factcheck to examine it."

I never saw that, and I don't think that the factcheck article specifies that. If that's what happened, thanks for the info.

Found this - they examined it at Obama headquarters:

"Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates)."

Obama's released what you get from the State of Hawaii.
The links spell it out.
The originals remain, and what a person requests and receives is what Obama got and put out publicly.
It really is that simple.
#453, and SanAntonio covered this, but perhaps the SALIENT point keeps getting missed:

There is NOTHING that will come from the State of Hawaii that is different than what factcheck.org has examined.

It is the same in the state I was born. I have a recently released copy of my BC, no footprints, just the basic data and a nice "certified" seal.

I can't argue the points of debate without having you and, or the ilk making me into the subject?

I was having a hard time figuring out your position, that's why I was personal when seeking clarification.


Where did I *demand* that Obama produce any records against his will?

As I just stated, I was having a difficult time figuring out what, specifically, you were driving at. Communication is a 2-way street.


Then, you actually think it might be unconstitutional to have a constitutional law protecting personal privacy?

I saw it as a crossroads. A right to privacy clearly exists within the Constitution, as does the unequivicable stance that POTUS be a naturalized citizen of the US. I can see a bit of a conflict when it comes to Obama proving his naturalized citizenship and his right to privacy, which is why I offered up the possibility that Hawaii state law is unconstitutional in this instance as it pertains to a POTUS candidate satisfactorily proving his naturalized citizenship.

Ultimately, I feel that Joe offered up the most legally logical take on all of this.


I was having a hard time figuring out your position,

Posted by JeffJ

So is he.

"The "certification of birth" versus "birth certificate" "argument" is bullshit."

They are two different documents, that's obvious. So what?

Are you saying that the birthing facilities in Hawaii do not demand records positivily identifying the time, date and officials conductiong the neonatal care, and along with a footprint? Where is the record of opthalmia preventative treatment, examination for jaundice and other records describing treatment of the newborn? Why aren't all of those documents made public by Obama?

Is he fearful of revealing the personal statistics which are private on the birth certificate? Or, is it because the documentary facts would show a discrepency of time and, or date ...?

The impression remains, despite the Herculean effort to mock and obfuscate this issue, and to the detriment of the nation in support of mutiny ... mutiny being every commander in chief's fondest desire, it seems ...

#463 | Posted by tadowe

*sigh*

Yav tries some misdirection, "It is the same in the state I was born. I have a recently released copy of my BC, no footprints, just the basic data and a nice "certified" seal."

The document is a "certification of birth record" not a "birth certificate", but keep on trying for this sort of preying on the ignorance of the public ... but, perhaps you're just another dupe, huh?

Sanan mocks as usual, "*sigh*"

I'd try earning my way out of this league if I were you, Jeff ...

I imagine this is futile, but...

"Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth."

#467 - as clear as it can be.

"President Barack Hussein Obama!"

Reality.

The right has given us a herd of Don Quixotes.

Sanan repeats ad nauseam, "Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth."

One document, the Birth Certificate, contains personal information and identification, which might be subject to abuse by those not the person so revealed, and by obtaining that document which would otherwise only be in the possesion of the individual concerned. So, Sanan repeats his attempt to conflate the Certificate of Birth Record, as being the same as a Certification of Live Birth, but with less detail; detail the state considers to be not private.

The original, more detailed records and documents, still remain held sub rosa, and damaging our nation's military discipline, causing concern with a large number of conservative Americans (their right) and damaging his credibility in the face of "okaying" mutiny ...

... but still that league of champions continues their lies and play ostrich when in receipt of contradictory debate ...

"repeats ad nauseam"

#469 | Posted by tadowe at 2009-07-16 08:25 PM | Reply | Flag: puling irony

...to conflate the Certificate of Birth Record, as being the same as a Certification of Live Birth, but with less detail; detail the state considers to be not private.

#469 | Posted by tadowe

Incorrect AGAIN. The state DOES consider it to be private and they will not release it. The one that has been examined and found to be authentic was released voluntarily by the Obama campaign.

Lord you are dense.

Yav says, "The right has given us a herd of Don Quixotes."

One of the greatest romantic heros in literature, and the left must naturally mock and revile the Don into being a fool; not a true Spanish cavalier honoring tradition and treating all with the same respect ...

I dote on the irony, Yav, and thank you for the left-handed compliment.

Sanan demonstrates the term "quibble", "Incorrect AGAIN. The state DOES consider it to be private and they will not release it. The one that has been examined and found to be authentic was released voluntarily by the Obama campaign."

Who said they would, or should give it out to anyone asking?

See, Jeff? You can't discuss anything with these jerks ...

Jeez... This story is as tiresome as any religion thread here.

Tadpole, Don Quixote is a hero of yours? That 'splains a lot about you.

You said "detail the state considers to be not private.", dippy.

See Jeff? You can't discuss anything with someone who can't remember his own argument from one post to the next.

Jeez... This story is as tiresome as any religion thread here.

#474 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine

Oh come on HC. Playing with Tad is like playing with a top. It spins and spins, then starts to lose momentum, and eventually falls over.

See? Just like Tad.

this thread still has legs after 477 posts?! the major just needs to go to levenworth or on his deployment, no matter who the commander in chief is.

"Oh come on HC. Playing with Tad is like playing with a top. It spins and spins, then starts to lose momentum, and eventually falls over."

I haven't enjoyed laying troll bait since the election.

Corruption is the Arch_Enemy of Truth & Honesty!!!

Here's the Problem: A Totally "Corrupt" US Govt and an even more "Corrupt" US Supreme Court! So getting any Truth and/or Honesty about Obama's real background from any of them is beyond impossible!!!

Hag says, "I haven't enjoyed laying troll bait since the election."

When a conservative "trolls" they are vilified, but when a leftist "trolls" they brag ...

That tends to define the term, "hypocrite", doesn't it?

Ready to be wound up again?

EDB notices, "... the major just needs to go to levenworth or on his deployment, no matter who the commander in chief is."

You discover the crux of the matter: why isn't this mutineer under courts martial, along with the two others before him?

The impression remains that it is because the facts don't support Obama having been birthed in the state of Hawaii, and the documents on file would tend to confirm that ...

... otherwise why countenance mutiny and military rebellion?

And the top begins to whirl again...

Donner says, "Tadpole, Don Quixote is a hero of yours? That 'splains a lot about you."

I explained what my university professor had to say about the subject of Don Quixote, Donner. You must have missed the part where I say that he is considered one of literatures' romantic heros, not that he is one of mine. But, your ilk must always attempt to make me the subject to revile, right?

I know that, if other more "objective" individuals don't have a clue ...

When a conservative "trolls" they are vilified, but when a leftist "trolls" they brag ...
That tends to define the term, "hypocrite", doesn't it?
#481 | Posted by tadowe

I wasn't even talking to you and if you knew a thing about me here, you'd know that "hypocrite" is a term that nobody here would use against me, left or right.

I explained what my university professor had to say about the subject of Don Quixote,

#485 | Posted by tadowe

Who, coincidentally, happened to be a contemporary of Cervantes.

and I, when I did, generally trolled democrats/liberals. Spud and Danni are two that come to mind.

Why on earth are you explaining yourself to Looney Toons?

Why on earth are you explaining yourself to Looney Toons?
#489 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

*smh

You're right.

I just started drinking.

BTW, Zed, I'm sorry to have misattributed Zat's comment to you, Zed not Zat.

So, your response was a strawman, since you know I don't "archive" your comments, as a result of the mistake in the Z's of your various names, and which was used to allow you to make me into the subject of discussion, ad hominem.

So, although the mistake was mine, you couldn't resist confirming that your efforts to revile are equivalent to Zat's, huh? Congratulations on your "reasoned" insult, and you can stick your "peace" where it will assist your lower colonic processes.

Spin baby, spin! Whirl like a dervish.

#491 | Posted by tadowe at 2009-07-16 09:55 PM | Reply | Flag: Confused Zed and Zat.

FACT

Now that we all know you're batshit, Tadly;
Best take that pissant little gun of yours and attempt suicide. That's such a worthless excuse for a weapon you'll probably survive and be back to entertain us some more.

#491 | Posted by tadowe at 2009-07-16 09:55 PM | Reply | Flag: Confused Zed and Zat

I wonder who is more insulted by that, Zed or Zat?

Human kind.

Hag says, "I wasn't even talking to you and if you knew a thing about me here, you'd know that "hypocrite" is a term that nobody here would use against me, left or right."

See? This dovetails with the "sotto voce" discussion. You pretend to actually believe that you weren't talking about me, because you were discussing me with another, pseudo-privately, right?

Save the excuses, because as I've mentioned I'll disagree with right or left, if I so choose. In your comments about me, personally, you are either hypocritical, or making an excuse to agree with "trolling" in your 'private' discussion with those who are stalking me. They revile trolling, while you brag about it ...

Why not answer the original question? What disturbing 'thing(s)' (or whatever term you care to use in quibble) that Obama shoud be discussed about?

Otherwise, I don't think you'll do yourself much good continuing to mock the subject of the thread into obscurity with such stupid efforts at distraction.

If you are the "objective independent" you pretend to being, then that shouldn't be too much of a chore for you, right?

Wheeeeee!

Hag wonders, "I wonder who is more insulted by that, Zed or Zat?"

Evidently, Zed is more insulted, and since he made the complaint, or is that a bit too obvious for you?

However, both of them stalk my comments, on whatever occasion they choose and in order to demean a political opponent they can't answer, on point.

So, would you agree with my reply, or do you think the blind leftist mendicant would be more insulted by my misattribution?

Zat doesn't seem too insulted, "Now that we all know you're batshit, Tadly; Best take that pissant little gun of yours and attempt suicide. That's such a worthless excuse for a weapon you'll probably survive and be back to entertain us some more."

You advise me to kill myself, Zat? How very Democratic party that sounds to me! "(A)ttempt suicide" is so very reasonable, and I really can't find anything to contradict your reference to the size of my "gun" ... have you been spying, Tom?

And 500!

Whoo hoo!

My work here is done.

"Evidently, Zed is more insulted, and since he made the complaint, or is that a bit too obvious for you?"

Well, duh.

Zed actually takes himself more seriously than you and you're an order of magnitude more intelligent than Zed, which isn't much.

www.youtube.com

PS: Thanks Tadly. You've been a real little trooper today.

"My work here is done."

Best movie line; UHF.

"Both of them stalk my comments..."

1) Just strange, man.

Zat's never forgiven me for pointing out a volcano can also be a mountain.

Zat was once decorated with the Order of Magnitude with Crossed Swords, Diamonds, and Oak Leaf Clusters. I think that's about as high as that goes, too.

This is why Rogers ended my ban on speech, here, at the Drudge Retort - I get the hits for him!

Plus you're more fun than, but taken less seriously than a car chock full-o clowns.

#507

Yes Tad, that is why.Without you, RCADE would have gone under.

BTW...I don't understand why people make you the crux of their posts either. Have any ideas??

Whatever the reason you are back..welcome.

Whatever the reason you are back..welcome.
#509 | Posted by Lisa at 2009-07-16 10:50 PM | Reply | Flag: WAY too nice.

I tend to agree that Zed is a bit more the stick-in-the-mud than you are, Zat.

In addition, I don't carry firearms concealed, but prefer the American Arms .22 magnum if I did. I do carry either a Cuda Maxx, or Cold Steel Scimitar unconcealed, daily.

Lisa Do you remember that you had me banned 3 years ago? I rose from the grave to reclaim my throne. One of these days you will debate me again and taste defeat.

Btw where is your buddy Larry?

Lisa - for the love of God. What is wrong with you?

Lisa says, "Yes Tad, that is why.Without you, RCADE would have gone under."

Is mockery an inveterate characteristic of your ilk, or what?

"BTW...I don't understand why people make you the crux of their posts either. Have any ideas??"

Why not answer your own question, since here I am your subject of discussion, and gratis, too? I haven't made any comment to you, have I, but you join the crowd making me the subject?

"Whatever the reason you are back..welcome."

The League of Champions, Jeff ...

See. Now you've got him wound up again.

Going for 1000.

Btw where is your buddy Larry?
#512 | Posted by jackass

dead, jail or twitching away in an asylum is my guess.

We miss ya, Larry.

LOL Hagbard

This site is full of diversity. Tad is THE diversiest (great word, huh?? I just made it up)!!

I love you Tad!!

"You advise me to kill myself, Zat?"


No, you'll die anyway.

Besides; You're vastly more intelligent and slightly more entertaining than Zed.

I love you Tad!!

#518 | Posted by Lisa

From somewhere, long forgotten, a dim memory stirs. The tiny, black heart beats once... twice as his mind, dulled by years of disuse searched for the word...

wo?

wo...

wo - man

woman.

As the cobwebs slowly cleard, a small, tight smile escaped his dry, chapped lips and he stroked his stubbled chin... remembering... remembering.

Lisa says, "I love you Tad!!"

I quote a Huxely coda to the novel, "Ape and Essence", in reply:

The leech's kiss, the squid's embrace,
the prurient ape's defiling touch...
and do I like the human race?
No, not much ...

"Lisa says, "I love you Tad!!""

This must be the insanity singularity.

BYE!

Zat says, "This must be the insanity singularity."

I think you must be a bit disadvantaged as concerns sarcasm, Zat, or are you playing the fool for Lisa, sarcastically?

LOL Sanan

IAM glad he's back. I am very serious. He's so seriou he reminds me od my dad at times. I nuts around with bim too...reminds me not to take life so serious!

You and Goat can admit that your efforts are to mock and discredit via ad hominem, Lisa. You don't consider that to be "serious" I suppose, purposefully making fun of someone else to satisfy your political angst over being contradicted or rebutted in debate?

Personal attacks are your fun, and you make no bones about any effort to actually discuss the issues raised in any thread ... you will just mock and insult to satisfy your enjoyment at someone else's expense.

What a toolish fool you make of yourself, Ms. Stooge.

Tad:

First of all I make fun of myself more than anything. I also make fun of BL2 because he is a dear friend of mine and we pick on each other. YOU, I tease occassionally to try and get you to smile once in awhile, show some humor.

When you aren't insulting anyone who remotely responds to you, you do have some valid points.

I am sincere when I tell you, welcome back.

Choose to believe it or not.

Lisa continues, "First of all I make fun of myself more than anything."

I have never seen any such self-mockery, Lisa. Perhaps you can provide and example?

"I also make fun of BL2 because he is a dear friend of mine and we pick on each other. YOU, I tease occassionally to try and get you to smile once in awhile, show some humor."

I'm continuously amused on this site, Lisa! The foolishness of ignorant leftist hatemongers enables my ironic funny-bone, and I've said so on this site over-and-over. Your "smile" attempts are a self-serving excuse to demean me, personally.

"When you aren't insulting anyone who remotely responds to you, you do have some valid points."

You lead the inference that I shouldn't respond to those who make me the subject of discussion. Valid points and the ability to amuse you with my "insults" about the leftist liars and hatemongers on this site ... all much too "serious" for you, huh? You have a bit of trouble making-up these self-apologetic claims, right?

"I am sincere when I tell you, welcome back."

However, my response(s) are not to your liking as being too "serious" ... sure ... I should toe the line you determine I should, ala 101's effort to silence my comments he considers outre ... what a prissy bunch the obsessed reveal themselves as being ...

"Choose to believe it or not."

What insult or claim have I disbelieved, Lisa? I think you are getting a bit confused. Take a break from me as you subject and get yourself str8 ...

Tad:

You are quite knowledgable at finding information. Go search through my posts to find me picking on myself.

As for the rest of your post, I know what's in my heart and again...believe what I said or don't.

Enjoy your evening.

Lisa says, "You are quite knowledgable at finding information. Go search through my posts to find me picking on myself."

Why did I know you wouldn't provide an example of your self-mockery, Lisa, not that you had to post any such link to one of your articles?

"As for the rest of your post, I know what's in my heart and again...believe what I said or don't."

You've admitted that you enjoy mocking me, personally and in agreement with your fellow leftists here on this site, already! Your "heart" is transparent with your own words, and your "love" is sarcasm, not any real emotion your pumper puts out!

Why not discuss why Obama allows mutiny in his officer's corps, huh? Or, is that too serious and lacking in amusement for your supercilious enjoyment?

Sigh

Enjoy your evening Tad.

re: Soldiers are only brave and patriotic when they spoke out against Bush!
-Limpwristed Pantpissers

#2 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2009-07-14 02:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm sure about that. This, however,

Regardless, the torture couldn't have been that bad. He lived for 54 years afterward.

#2 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2009-05-08 02:29 PM | Reply | Flag:,

about a US pilot who was tortured by the Chi-Coms during the Korean War is kinda sketchy, to say the least.

It's actually a bit interesting, in context. 101 Cahirborne was attempting to rationalize the actions of the Bush administration regarding torture by belittling the suffering of a US war hero captured and tortured by the Chinese during the Korean War who was subjected to the same treatment.

Prediction: If Obama is proven to have been foriegn-born...

...the Left will still support him.

Reason: The U.S. Constitution is a living document and therefore...

...should not be followed in all cases.

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