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Tuesday, July 14, 2009

Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor said an oft-criticized remark about her Hispanic heritage affecting judicial decisions was a rhetorical device gone awry. "It was bad because it left an impression that I believed that life experiences commanded a result in a case, but that's clearly not what I do as a judge," Sotomayor said.

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is was either that or pinche pendejo...

I'm certainly glad she straightend that out. Now all she needs to do is blow the white fireman and she's in.

"It was bad because it left an impression that I believed that life experiences commanded a result in a case, but that's clearly not what I do as a judge," Sotomayor said.


I'm sure that was the clear conclusion of those in the Ricci case too. Yeah...sure!


I'm certainly glad she straightend that out. Now all she needs to do is blow the white fireman and she's in.
........#2 | Posted by wisgod

.....the Republicans on the committee have already taken care of that......

Hook her up to a lie detector. (cross her fingers)

Having Actually Known a Few Wise Latinas myself ---- I tend to Agree with Sotomayor.

Nothing Teaches Like Hardship and Overcoming Obstacles.

But hey, if you Want "christian" WingDing "Wise", you get your parents to Pay Off you Adulterous Booty Calls!

Face it: A wise Latina wouldn't have the made that comment in the first place.

ff for Sully

I'm certainly glad she straightend that out. Now all she needs to do is blow the white fireman and she's in.

#2 | Posted by wisgod


FF

You guys are cracking me up on here.

Nothing Teaches Like Hardship and Overcoming Obstacles.


Posted by Redneckville

Her looks have nothing to do with how she'll rule on the bench.

Ya' think if Ricci picked lettuce the decision would have been different?

...or if he had answered the questions on his test with a spray paint can?

Face it: A wise Latina wouldn't have the made that comment in the first place.

Amen. Sotomayor is impressing me with her intelligence on many subjects today, but she was a mess when it came to defending remarks like that one.

There's a better way to defend it. She could talk about how a court as a whole is better from the sum of the different life experiences that come to it. A court with nine white male judges sitting on it may miss perspectives that would come from more diversity.

"There's a better way to defend it."

Damn straight. She should have told them all to go back and take a Basics of Writing class. In every quote, she's talking about her hopes, not any racist beliefs.

I said it before; it was a douchey racist remark. But everyone is bound to make one of those at some time or another and that doesn't necessarily make them a racist person. This shouldn't even be an issue.

The thing about being appointed to the SC is that they now go back through everything she has ever written or said publicly. Not many folks could "survive" such a process. The fact that they really only have a few comments to even bring up indicates that she has been pretty careful about what she says and does for a very long time. You almost have to wonder if she hasn't hoped for an appointment like this for her entire life.

she's probably dropping a latina load in her pants awaiting the second amendment questions. (could 'splain the sour look on her face)

she's probably dropping a latina load in her pants awaiting the second amendment questions. (could 'splain the sour look on her face)

#17 | Posted by nanc

Much like the Ricci case (even Orrin Hatch had to acknowledge that), she has Supreme Court precedent on her side there.

So I doubt she's extremely concerned about it.

She already said she'd follow precedent and the S.C. has already affirmed our right to own firearms.

She already said she'd follow precedent and the S.C. has already affirmed our right to own firearms.

#19 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

Actually, not quite. The precedent (Presser) says that the 2nd Amendment only governs what restrictions the Federal Government can put on firearms. It says states are not covered.

And the recent decision on firearms in DC didn't clarify it completely because DC is under Federal control. It is probably going to take another case in the SC to clear it up.

"I said it before; it was a douchey racist remark. But everyone is bound to make one of those at some time or another...."

Not everyone. At no point in my adult life have I ever seriously said anything that indicates that my race and gender makes me better than someone with another background . And you know why I haven't? Because if you don't believe in your own racial superiority in the first place such thoughts never cross your mind, let alone leave your lips. And I don't think that makes me special. I know very few people who I believe are capable of such a remark. And remember, this wasn't a private conversation. She was very comfortable making a racist remark when standing in front of a crowd which indicates the belief is so ingrained she doesn't even realize its offensive.

I could give a crap about the remark so much as the fact that the thought process that produced it is going to be in our highest court.

Now if you want to talk about when I was a kid or when I'm trying to bust balls with someone like Tosser, then yes I've made those comments.

"And you know why I haven't?
Posted by Sully"

Because you're Korean?

Does anyone have any gold stars handy for Sully?

I'm fresh out.

Actually, not quite. The precedent (Presser) says that the 2nd Amendment only governs what restrictions the Federal Government can put on firearms. It says states are not covered.

And the recent decision on firearms in DC didn't clarify it completely because DC is under Federal control. It is probably going to take another case in the SC to clear it up.

#20 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2009-07-14 02:42 PM

Good point.

Gun owners can still be comforted though, since she's replacing another liberal justice, likely not shifting the court's balance much.

Oh and I think she said something about having a family member in the NRA or some such.

#21 | Posted by Sully at 2009-07-14 02:45 PM
I'm not convinced that the remark was intended to say she's better than white old men (I think she had a Trig moment when she said it), but point taken.

Screw the 2nd Amendment. It's vital that the Senate probers find out her stance on the pending bankrupcy of the Chicago Cubs!

Gun owners can still be comforted though, since she's replacing another liberal justice, likely not shifting the court's balance much.

Oh and I think she said something about having a family member in the NRA or some such.

#24 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

Perhaps this very example is indicates she rules based on precedent and not personal feelings?

I wanna know her stance on company policy dress codes that allow women to wear business skirts but don't allow men to wear dress shorts.

Perhaps this very example is indicates she rules based on precedent and not personal feelings?

#27 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2009-07-14 02:56 PM

That's the impression I've got of her. I read some of her remarks on the second amendment (not sure if they were made during the hearing or not) and I didn't see anything threatening.

"Does anyone have any gold stars handy for Sully?

I'm fresh out."

I wasn't claiming to be special. In any other context, most of you would say you dont' make idiotic racist comments either.

But the rules of being a party hack says that you must defend this woman so racism is now acceptable and "everyone does it" (but only in the context of this particular discussion).

You people are sad.


I think it's pretty clear what she meant: that as a Latina living in the Barrio dodging gunfire and drug dealealers while reading Nancy Drew mysteries made her a wiser judge than some white guy on a polo pony, who had a 1600 on his SAT.

Her lower class snobery against her betters is obvious.

No, no bias in that comment...just abject stupidity...

i beg to differ, sar:

"Gun rights groups also have a problem with Sotomayor's views, and in this case it's because of her substantive record, not her lack thereof. In particular, they cite a 2004 ruling in which Sotomayor joined two other judges to declare that "the right to possess a gun is clearly not a fundamental right." You can expect conservative groups to put red-state Democratic Senators on the spot on this issue, pushing them to agree or disagree with Sotomayor. "These senators will jeopardize their seats if they vote to support an anti-gun radical for the Supreme Court," writes Ken Blackwell, warning that "you should never underestimate the political power of American gun owners."

from this source. she is clearly an activist judge.

I get it. She said it before she didn't say it.

She's a lawyer, she's a liar, she's a feminist, and a quota. Expect nothing but bullshit and faux bravado from these hearings.

Instead of drafting the best legal minds to serve on the court we have the politically connected. Maybe the whole nine will eat bad sushi or something like that and DIE.

If only one Senator would rise in opposition...

...not likely. The cowards have already gotten a down payment from K Street.

The abject stupidiy here is the whole waste of time with the hearings. Just tell the pantspissing Rtards to go to hell, vote her in, and be done with it.

The Party of Fail dosn't have enough votes (or balls) to do a damned thing. They can only kick the back of the seat and cry 'NO' at the top of their lungs. They are irrelevant, incompetent and incontenent. Welcome to 50 years of wandering the political wilderness, powerless, pointless and dickless. Its the new GOP reality.

I was upset at first when I heard the comment but as I thought about a few things occurred to me...

When you live in depressed neighborhoods within large cities race is always an issue; whether you are white, black, asian or latino. It is because as a society we put so much emphasis on race whether positive or negative combined with the fact the most people in those neighborhoods have little to be proud of except their heritage.

I really do think that the point she was making is they all came from upper class societies with little cultural diversity and therefore are limited on the life experiences that could be used to understand cases better.

i beg to differ, sar:

... from this source. she is clearly an activist judge.

#33 | Posted by nanc

Again, that ruling was based on the Presser precedent case in which the Supreme Court ruled that the 2nd Amendment applies only to the limitations the Federal government can place on citizens, but does NOT limit the what the states can legislate.

That precedent has never been overruled or a clear, new precedent set. The DC case didn't clear it up because DC is not a state - it is a Federally controlled district.

She ruled based on the precedent established by the Supreme Court, not on a personal whim. Do some homework.

Kyl's last question was almost called because of
darkness.

#37 | Posted by richardspirit

then let's create a burrito supreme court for the upper class and a plain bean burrito court for the lower class since neither have much in common and JUST following the constitution is difficult at best for the lower class folks.

IT'S NOT ABOUT RACE, CLASS OR PERSONAL BACKGROUND!

And just to be clear, just because gun rights advocates don't like the ruling does not mean it wasn't based in sound legal precedent.

"I really do think that the point she was making is they all came from upper class societies with little cultural diversity and therefore are limited on the life experiences that could be used to understand cases better."

First of all, the notion that "cultural diversity" helps someone do their job is utterly ridiculous for 95% of people, including any judge. The law is the law.

Secondly, my family lived in a neighborhood very similar to if not much rougher than the one she grew up in for a long time and I can tell you that those areas are not melting pots of cultural diversity. In fact, if you don't share the background of the local majority, they beat the shit out of you and tell you to leave. The notion that being a minority makes someone "diverse" or "wise" or whatever you want to call it is racist bullshit.

So regardless of what spin you want to put on it, it was a stupid comment that was based on a racist belief system. Trying to put logic around it just makes it seem like you're illogical.

Really, I could get over the comment but I find the fact that people want to pretend its something other than what it clearly was to be annoying and fascinating at the same time.


"Having Actually Known a Few Wise Latinas myself ---- I tend to Agree with Sotomayor.

Nothing Teaches Like Hardship and Overcoming Obstacles."

Then you don't agree with her. Today she said that life experiences don't dictate the results of a case. Unless you think she's lying.

"IT'S NOT ABOUT RACE, CLASS OR PERSONAL BACKGROUND!"

Unless it's Clarence Thomas.

So in other words our respective backgrounds impact our development and perspective. Who would have thunk it! People have no problem with bias as long as its personally beneficial. White people had no problem with quotas when the quota was 100% White.

"... from this source. she is clearly an activist judge."

No she is obviously not an activist, if she were she would be much thinner.

If Roe V. Wade was never decided in such a horrible manner, ALL of this would've been unnecessary, all the "what about this case, what about that case?" stuff.

We ALL can learn from that.

BOTH sides do this stupid, dishonest "dance", they ALL say "I've never asked _____ what their stance is on Roe" and it's absurd and b.s.

No she is obviously not an activist, if she were she would be much thinner.
#46 | Posted by danni

I don't know whether to FF that or shake my head at you. LOL.

"Nothing Teaches Like Hardship and Overcoming Obstacles."


Then you don't agree with her. Today she said that life experiences don't dictate the results of a case. Unless you think she's lying.

#43 | Posted by JOE at 2009-07-14 03:44 PM | Reply | Flag: NONSEQUITIR

Sully,

I never once said it was a melting pot what I said was that race is always an issue and for the very reason that you listed.

And really if the law was the law then we would still belong to England and we would still own slaves. The reality that what may seem fair to those on the take is entirely different that than those on the give. I put in those terms to realize that give and take can take many aspects and can be used to describe both upper and lower class.

To prevent life experiences for being involved in your job especially a job like that is not realistic because human beings are not as easily able compartmentalize our lives as much we would like other people to think.

We all do it because it is human nature. This is also why there is more than one judge so that each ones experience can bring a balance.

#49 | Posted by mOntecOre at 2009-07-14 04:07 PM | Reply | Flag: Illiterate

She's gonna be confirmed, and it doesn't matter what she said or meant. The Dems are going to approve her.

Elections have consequences, and it can't be a surprise to anyone that Obama is nominating a legislate from the bench liberal for the court. It could be a lot worse, she's replacing another liberal so the balance stays the same more or less.

And Sotomayor isn't nearly as wacko left as the AL Franken lookalike Dems on that senate committee.

Nanc

You need to get laid. Sex is good for the soul...

"To prevent life experiences for being involved in your job especially a job like that is not realistic because human beings are not as easily able compartmentalize our lives as much we would like other people to think. "

I agree with that but there's a difference between being influenced by your life experiences and being so certain that your background makes you better than others that you don't even realize when you're being blatantly racist about it in front of an audience.

Even an idiot is self aware enough to know when they are saying something racist, that is why they say "I'm not racist but...." right before they tell you something that only a idiotic bigot would believe.

You really have to be comfortable in your racism in this day and age to say something that blatant and not even realize others are going to have an issue with it.

"SOTOMAYOR: The saw is that if you're going into academia, you're going to teach, or as Judge Lucero just said, public interest law, all of the legal defense funds out there, they're looking for people with court of appeals experience, because it is -- court of appeals is where policy is made. And I know -- and I know this is on tape and I should never say that because we don't make law, I know. OK, I know. I'm not promoting it, and I'm not advocating it, I'm -- you know. OK. Having said that, the court of appeals is where, before the Supreme Court makes the final decision, the law is percolating -- its interpretation, its application. And Judge Lucero is right. I often explain to people, when you're on the district court, you're looking to do justice in the individual case. So you are looking much more to the facts of the case than you are to the application of the law because the application of the law is non-precedential, so the facts control. On the court of appeals, you are looking to how the law is developing, so that it will then be applied to a broad class of cases. And so you're always thinking about the ramifications of this ruling on the next step in the development of the law. You can make a choice and say, "I don't care about the next step," and sometimes we do. Or sometimes we say, "We'll worry about that when we get to it" -- look at what the Supreme Court just did. But the point is that that's the differences -- the practical differences in the two experiences are the district court is controlled chaos and not so controlled most of the time. "


Wasn't the wise statement mentioned more than once, at different times, in speeches. A slipped statement is one thing. Repeating the statement is not the same thing to declare as a simple slip.

As for her statement above about policy made from the bench.

yeah yeah, she shouldn't have said it - but it's the truth so let it be.

Well, if a Congressman said he takes campaign contributions from organizations full knowing that its for his vote, well, nothing wrong with that. I mean, the Congressman wouldn't promote it or advocate it - we just know its true.

No one would take offense if a Congressman said it right?

She has the credentials for the Supreme Court. But, her own statements are racially toned and her comments of making policy from the bench, despite humor and such, it was said. And honest statement of actions taken that the Constitution doesn't allow for from a judge. To make policy.

Again, that ruling was based on the Presser precedent case in which the Supreme Court ruled that the 2nd Amendment applies only to the limitations the Federal government can place on citizens, but does NOT limit the what the states can legislate.


#38 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

Are you saying the Bill of Rights doesn't limit state government? You are nuckin futs lady.

she has been untruthfull the entire time or at the very least crawfishing like crazy

the clue...

when she made the comment that she did not stand by the comment in how it was being "UNDERSTOOD"

TRANSLATION...."depends on what the definition of the word is....is"

AND she then refered to the oconnnor comment on wise man and wise woman and then "DISSED" sandra in order to make her look better....wonder what sandra thinks about that....

maybe airline pilots should be hired on their life experiences.

HEY good idea...semtex

and when you are having a heart attack maybe you will be better off with a doctor who can 'empathize' with you even though he was admitted to medical school because he was an affirmative action product...
that would put you at ease wouldnt it?????

of course if dems get health care done....you must MIGHT have to have a doctor who was at the bottom of the class the day they studied heart surgery........hee hee

When you boil it down, she was saying that her race and sex would lead her to do a better job than a person of another race and sex.

That's wrong, and it doesn't belong in today's society.

"That's wrong, and it doesn't belong in today's society."

#61 | Posted by GreenDad at 2009-07-14 07:57 PM | Reply | Flag: Never did much good in past societies, either.

Most competent woman I ever worked with: www.nationalgeographic.com

Sorry if I was just a 20 year old student.
What a Summer.

" One of the more notable Tektite II missions involved an all female team of aquanauts, lead by Sylvia Earle, recently Chief Scientist at NOAA. In July of 1970 the five-woman group spent two weeks in the habitat at 50 feet off of St. Johns, USVI. "
my.fit.edu

Still with me after all these years; Beats the Bataan Death March or a Polish Oflag.

"Never did much good in past societies, either."

Good point


I said it before; it was a douchey racist remark. But everyone is bound to make one of those at some time or another and that doesn't necessarily make them a racist person. This shouldn't even be an issue.

#15 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE


That might hold water if she had only said it ONCE.

She said it like 7 different times over the years.


She finally came out and said it was "bad" to say this comment.

But her goal as most liberals is to bury or hide the true feeeelings they feel bacause they are outside the mainstream of Americans.

And they better ask her some more on the PRLEDF too.

There as a board member for 12 years and didn't know they were spewing out "if the gov't (Medicaid) doesn't give poor women money for an abortion--it is the same as slavery" !!!

#46 | Posted by danni - FF!

danni - she's a diabetic - they tend to be overweight if they don't follow strict dietary rules.

I was listening to more commentaries about Sotomayer tonight from both the right and the left. She might not as radical as first thought.

From all I heard, Sotomayer's a more moderate liberal and tends go along with the majority in her judicial opinions so she probably won't be the lone hold out and swing any future decisions too far to the left.

I suppose Obama could have picked someone who was much further to the left as his first Supreme Court nominee -- but he didn't -- so that's good. Hopefully she'll keep her hands off and won't be trying to overturn the Second Amendment and other important legal decisions.

Besides, she did grow up reading all the Nancy Drew books just like I did as a kid so she can't be all that bad. lol

She is exactly like Obama and he is radically to the left.

Real radical Murphy. What has he done that is so radical? Where is my universal health care? Where is the socialism? You need to quit listening to Rush and try getting your brain to think and not just regurgitating info you learn for your masters.

The thing I find more troubling than the "Wise Latina" crack is the fact that she is or was a member of La Raza (The Race). I equate that to some wise white guy being a member of the KKK. Would David Duke be a good candidate for the Supreme court? I think not!! Sonya needs to stay in the appellate court where her "Wise Latina" misguided judgments can be overturned by the Supreme Court as was done in the white firemen reverse discrimination case.

I equate that to some wise white guy being a member of the KKK.

Really? Is it in the lynchings or cross-burnings that you find commonality?


I said it before; it was a douchey racist remark. But everyone is bound to make one of those at some time or another and that doesn't necessarily make them a racist person. This shouldn't even be an issue.

#15 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE


The concern is that you need to add that remark and some of her actions to the fact that she also belonged to the racist group "La Raza". Once you start doing that you start seeing huge concerns. However; since she has Obama behind her many liberals will ignore everything else.

Lindsey Graham said that if he made the same remark as Sotomayor that a Latina woman would be a superior jurist he would be finished. I suppose he's right.
If Graham said that he was a Latina woman, reelection in SC would be impossible, but it would explain an awful lot about Lindsey Graham.

If Graham said that he was a Latina woman, reelection in SC would be impossible, but it would explain an awful lot about Lindsey Graham.
#72 | Posted by tiger150

I always imagined him as a closet drag queen. He could call himself Carlita Wey.

"She also belonged to the racist group La Raza..."

You know, that's funny. I know of at least one female Republican judge that used to belong to La Raza.


Real radical Murphy. What has he done that is so radical? Where is my universal health care? Where is the socialism? You need to quit listening to Rush and try getting your brain to think and not just regurgitating info you learn for your masters.

#68 | Posted by jackass at 2009-07-14 11:52


WHAT HAS HE DONE SO RADICAL

are you FUCKIN joking...okay he may not have FINISHED the job..YET..........
how about dismantiling the entire system of free markets and capitalistic means that made us the richest country in the history of the world...
one freedom after another is on the chopping block from the first to the 2nd to the 10th amendments with a couple others thrown in for good measure
he has hijacked ANY checks and balances and oversight with over THIRTY 'czars' over programs so that congress...WHICH IS ESSENTIAL TO HAVE OVERSIGHT WHEN BUSH WAS KEEPING SAFE IN DEMS EYES...to here having NO say whatsoever in people who affect or will affect even the smallest aspects of our lives
he is in the process of destroying the coal industry and energy industries with JOBS GALORE being sent overseas...something he PROMISED he would stop.

and on and on and on....

you really MUST come out of your basement once in a while

Where's Lindsey? Are they still hosing him down from
yesterday?

Sotomayor is proof positive that liberals are fully aware that they cannot win IF they run on their true convictions. Therefore they must perjure themselves to win elections, nominations...even keep from being impeached.

Don't tell the truth, just deflect. It all depends on what the definition of "is" is!

Way to go Soto! Just another poster child for hypocricy!

"Don't tell the truth, just deflect."

Re-watch Alito's answers on the topic and Roberts' answers on the topic, and then get back to us about your worries of hypocrisy.

Found this interesting:


CNN's Wolf Blitzer late Tuesday afternoon characterized it as "an incredibly important exchange" and a "very, very dramatic moment" when Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor "concurred" with Senator Lindsey Graham that he would have paid a heavy price if he had ever maintained "a wise white man would make better decisions than a Latina," yet neither ABC nor NBC mentioned in their evening newscasts Sotomayor's acknowledgment about the impact of her assertion "a wise Latina woman" would "reach a better conclusion than a white male" if reversed.


And yet liberals don't seem to think anything wrong with her comment. Folks, you don't have to apologize for being white.

"And yet liberals don't seem to think anything wrong with her comment"

After you've read her entire comment. and not just the parts cherry-picked for you by others, get back to us.

What about the impact of the decision made by a really dumb assed spic???


"And yet liberals don't seem to think anything wrong with her comment"


After you've read her entire comment. and not just the parts cherry-picked for you by others, get back to us.

#80 | Posted by Danforth


I have and once again when you combine that comment along with the fact that she belonged to La Raza there's concerns.

Funny though, Sotomayor admits that if Graham had made the same comment but instead of "latina woman" had used "White Male" that he would have paid a heavy price. So Dan are you such a sheep that you are willing to overlook even her admitting that?????

"I have and once again when you combine that comment along with..."

Screw that. The woman was talking about her hopes, not her beliefs, which any English teacher should be able to explain, based on the sentence structure.

" So Dan are you such a sheep that you are willing to overlook even her admitting that?????"

No, they're pandering to mouth-breathers like you, because they realize skills like Writing Basics are waaaaay over your head.

"Screw that. The woman was talking about her hopes,..."

Oh, I got it, Dan! Hope and Change...right? Damn, I can agree with that. I sure HOPE there's a major CHANGE real soon myself.

Right Dan....and again..she even admitted that there would have been an issue had the term White Man been used instead of latina woman.

But I understand...whatever the liberal God wants you'll bow down to give him.

"whatever the liberal God wants you'll bow down to give him."

Pass your high-school English classes, then get back to me.

"I sure HOPE there's a major CHANGE real soon myself."

Oh, God, Jest...do you HAVE to bring up your diapers again?

Here's a trivia factoid for all you Perry Mason fans out there.

The episode where Mason lost his one and only case starred none other than Stephen Franken, cousin of Senator Al.

(Well, second cousin really - their fathers are cousins)

Bad enough that Sotomayor couldn't name the episode, but shame on YOU Senator.

Hope and Change is the Obamessiah mantra, Dan, didn't you swoon and vote for it?...Try to keep up. God knows he repeated that often enough. If he runs off at both ends like he does at the mouth, he surely needs a change and we hope he does change soon. We're already up to our knees in his "shit."I think Henninger has it right:

"More than any U.S. president, The Speech is the primary vehicle of Barack Obama's politics. Web sites have been erected as shrines to his speeches. Obamaspeech.com offers the text of 100 Obama speeches back to 2002. The electronic library stops at January 2009, when the White House site takes over. Currently it's up to 36 pages listing the titles alone of the president's remarks and speeches.

Six months into his presidency, with more surely to come, it is an appropriate moment to ask: What is the point and purpose of Barack Obama's speeches?

One answer -- offered by students of talk from Aristotle through Alfred North Whitehead -- is obvious: The purpose of the rhetorician's art is to persuade. John Locke, watching democracy's advance, had a darker view; rhetoric, said Locke, is an instrument of error and deceit. Or both: talking people into error.

In our time, public remarks remain first of all a photo-op to make a president glow in public. Mr. Obama is taking it to another level, making the public speech the central act of his presidency."

"didn't you swoon and vote for it?"

No, I didn't swoon, and yes, I voted for Obama...and against the worst governance I've ever experienced. Were you there, too, for the past 8 years, or had the Alzheimers already started kicking in?

"Were you there, too, for the past 8 years,..."

Yep...I voted against Gore and I voted against Kerry. Haven't really voted FOR anyone in years. I certainly wasn't enamored with Bush and THIS guy is a sure-fire socialist. Haven't been able to vote for a democrat candidate for president since LBJ.

"THIS guy is a sure-fire socialist."

Do you think he would have been had Bush not careened the ship of state off the cliff, or do you think he would have done the same, regardless?

I mean, I certainly don't see him coming in, say 8 years ago, and saying 'let's buy GM and spend a trillion dollars to stimulate an economy in a free-fall', do you?

"Do you think he would have been had Bush not careened the ship of state off the cliff, or do you think he would have done the same, regardless?"

I think he would have directed the country TOWARD socialism but it would have been much more slowly and more difficult for him without without some of the Bush policies and the recession. Look back at his early years with community organizing and his mentors. As Rahm said, "Never let a good crisis go to waste," and it opened the floodgates.

"As Rahm said, "Never let a good crisis go to waste,""

Now where on earth would he have learned that lesson?

"I think he would have directed the country TOWARD socialism"

Via what? What socialistic plans did he have outside the meltdown?

All I can see is health care, and that's going to have to undergo a major overhaul anyway: the current path is unsustainable, as there is no way we're going to be able to afford the current level of care as the baby boomers retire, something the macro numbers have told us for years. Think about it: Medicare recently went under water, meaning it started paying out more than it's taking in. Can you think of a worse time, actuarially, that at the start of the baby boomer retirement? Economies of scale will eventually force some type of UHC or rationing on us, and every day we delay making the hard, necessary choices (later retirement dates, lower payouts, higher taxes [listed in order of preference]) means the correction will be that much more jarring.

whatever the liberal God wants you'll bow down to give him."


Pass your high-school English classes, then get back to me.

#86 | Posted by Danforth


lol...that's ok Dan I understand...you can only throw out petty insults. Go ahead and ignore the fact that she even admits that if you change it to white male people would take it as a racist comment. Keep being a sheep.

"Go ahead and ignore the fact that she even admits that if you change it to white male people would take it as a racist comment. "

The operative phrase being "would take it". You've proven as much.

How about posting the entire speech, and we'll go over writing basics, concentrating on how someone lays out their theme in the first phrase.

"Keep being a sheep."

Keep being an ignoramus.

Medicare recently went under water, meaning it started paying out more than it's taking in.

That's hardly an endorsement for a government-run health program (not saying that's necessarily what you personally advocate. What's worse is Medicare sets its own prices, not the other way around. Every Medicare patient is treated at a loss by hospitals and doctors, same as Medicaid. So, they aren't brining in enough revenues to stay afloat AND they pay considerably less than private insurers for the same services.

What in the hell is going to happen to the quality of our care when the health care system doesn't have privately insured citizens at a profit to offset the publicly insured citizens at a loss?

"That's hardly an endorsement for a government-run health program"

Funding and efficiency are two different issues.

" Every Medicare patient is treated at a loss by hospitals and doctors, same as Medicaid."

Not on all matters, by any means.

"What in the hell is going to happen to the quality of our care "

It's going to get rationed, one way or the other. Macro numbers tell us there will be too many users, and not enough contributors to maintain the status quo. Something's gotta give, and it's time to bring all ideas to the table, and the sooner we address the fundamental problems, the less jarring the transition will be. For about 15-20 years -- until the peak of the BBs moves through retirement -- we're going to have some type of reduced care/rationing/whatever, whether we want it or not. Too much demand and too little supply, including the supply of dollars to pay for the care.

HOWEVER...ideally, this should ultimately DECREASE the % of GDP spent on health care AND increase the overall health outcomes. If we can't get folks out of ERs and into GPs, and emphasize prevention rather than cure, we're screwed, same as if we can't lower the per-capita health costs.

And this is where I think Obama can use the bully pulpit, and isn't doing it enough. A daily reinforcement from The President might do wonders.

Not on all matters, by any means.

My wife would beg to differ on this.


and it's time to bring all ideas to the table

Is that a euphamism for: "We've gotta drastically grow government in order to deal with this?" - I am not addressing that at you personally; I am addressing that to the DNC.

Dan, why are you unwilling to admit that she even admits that if you changed the words Latina Woman to White Male that people would have seen the comment as racist.

"Dan, why are you unwilling to admit that she even admits that if you changed the words Latina Woman to White Male that people would have seen the comment as racist."

You're having about as much effect as a fart in a tornado. Dan and about a half dozen other leftist-socialists on the DR aren't going to accept that there is a single fault with Obama, his administration, his programs, or any democrat remotely associated with the democrat Congress or government at all. That applies also to entertainers, actors, radio personalities, etc. He preaches the Danni Doctrine but with more verbosity. Danni keeps it simple:

Democrats....GOOD!
Republicans....BAD!

"Dan and about a half dozen other leftist-socialists on the DR aren't going to accept that there is a single fault with Obama"

I realize you're an Alz patient, but you really should try to get a better grip on reality before posting. I've taken Obama to task regarding overspending, cap & trade, and, at first, the lack of a public option, just off the top of my head. Stay tuned, there'll be a lot more.

BTW, you're free to post all the good things you think the Republicans did while they were in power. For my money, it was the worst governance I've ever experienced.

"Stay tuned, there'll be a lot more."

I'll be watching.

"BTW, you're free to post all the good things you think the Republicans did while they were in power."

I don't think you'll find any posts where I extolled the virtues of the last administration. I said many, many time that I didn't vote FOR Bush, I voted AGAINST Gore and Kerry. I'll probably be applying the same strategy in 2012.

"I don't think you'll find any posts where I extolled the virtues of the last administration. "

And how many would I find where you excoriated them?

#103: They kept Al Gore and John Kerry away from the wheel. Thats as good as it gets in my book.

Elections mean something. She's exhibit A.

#106 | Posted by OohRah

Today almost all of the Republicans on the committee said she has had a distinguished career. Several of them, including Graham and Cornyn said her record over 17 years on the Federal bench has been very mainstream.

So, although she has made some unfortunate choices of words in SPEECHES, her professional career as a JURIST is pretty hard to pick apart, even by die-hard GOP Senators.

That is why they had to return over and over to the "wise Latina" tack. They had nothing else.

So what criteria should they be basing their decision on? Her record, or some portions of speeches they don't like which do not even appear to be reflected in her professional life?

"Sotomayor was part of the judge panel that ruled in Swedenburg v. Kelly that New York's law prohibiting out-of-state wineries from shipping directly to consumers in New York was constitutional even though in-state wineries were allowed to." This sounds like a bad version of Animal Farm. Is this not unbelievable?

Beyond her choice of words in speeches there's the Ricci case.

For me anyway, identity politics should not be a consideration when selecting judges. It seems to me that that's what's happening here.

#109 | Posted by OohRah

True. However, that case was also determined based on established case law. The original trial judge was white, as was the majority of judges on the panel that upheld it the decision, and the full court of appeals that affirmed.

You can disagree with the law and not approve of Affirmative Action, but to try and pass Sotomayor off as a racist for her part in that decision is ludicrous.

It's often very difficult to determine how a Supreme Court judge is gonna turn out. Looking back, there have been some surprises, look at Warren, Kennedy and others. Here's a pretty intersting article dealing with the hearings, especially the last couple of paragraphs.

online.wsj.com

It's often very difficult to determine how a Supreme Court judge is gonna turn out. Looking back, there have been some surprises, look at Warren, Kennedy and others. Here's a pretty intersting article dealing with the hearings, especially the last couple of paragraphs.

online.wsj.com

#111 | Posted by jestgettinalong

From the article: "and over the years, decision by decision, we will find out who she is and how she thinks."

Partially true, since the Supreme Court is a whole different animal than the lower courts. But we have 17 years of her performance and decisions on the Federal bench. And the Republicans on the committee called her career "distinguished", and her decisions "mainstream". Seems to me we have a pretty good idea what kind of Justice she will be.

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