I'm not sure which is more unintentionally hillarious: Palin and her behaviors, or the rants of her defenders about what a raw deal she's gotten coupled with their pleas to stop paying attention to a dyed-in-the-wool attention freak who, far from fading away after quitting the governorship midterm, promises to launch some sort of above-the-radar, oh-so-public crusade (thereby confirming her status as an attention seeker). "You must be afraid of her," they cry, eyebrows arched, fingers wagging.

The only folks who should be deeply afraid of Sarah Palin are those members of the GOP who're hoping their party's already hit rock bottom and aren't anxious to sign on for another calamitous drop into the chasm of political disaster.

Palin, Palin, Palin. Palin compared to..., Palin's bizarre...Palin's kid...PDA, PDS, PDS. Can't stop talking about Palin.

The left is so afraid of Palin that they have to attack at every opportunity and if there is nothing to attack, they make stuff up. Palin, yesterday, today and tomorrow.

It pisses off the left to see a conservative with morals smile and have a happy productive life.

"Palin, Palin, Palin. Palin compared to..., Palin's bizarre...Palin's kid...PDA, PDS, PDS. Can't stop talking about Palin."

Haven't you figured it out yet? They HAVE TO have someone in the barrel to take the heat off Obama with the unemployment, increasing size of government, foreclosures, ratings in freefall etc., etc. You notice the article today that Rahm Immanuel is considering torture investigations too, right. Same purpose. Bush and palin are just their favorite diversions/.The entire cast is just another Keystone Kops in action.

"It pisses off the left to see a conservative with morals.."

I didn't know there WAS such a critter.....a Con with Morals?
Nope-don't see it-never will.

Palin didn't break the GOP, she had the opportunities she's had because it was already broken.

"The left is so afraid of Palin "

Oh, quit it.

It pisses off the left to see a conservative with morals smile and have a happy productive life.

#2 | Posted by KBM at 2009

and remember that it wasnt that long ago that the NAGS were telling us that YES women can be successfull in careers and still have a family and right when this women comes out to prove that.

WHATS thier reaction....oh well...we didnt mean a CONSERVATIVE WOman.....

and letusprey

THATS right...the left is shared skittless.......one thing they remember from the campaign is the shot in the arm she gave a failing campaign.

"the left is shared skittless ..."

You'd think that the GOP would therefore make her an automatic choice for the next POTUS election. Yet none of the GOP analysts who I've read (aside from Billy Kristol et al) even consider her a possible nominee. Strange.

"shared skittless"

Someone is sharing Skittles and didn't tell me? Skittles... yummy.

"one thing they remember from the campaign is the shot in the arm she gave a failing campaign."

LMAO - one thing I remember is the rights euphoria over her speech followed by the left's euphoria over her Couric interview when we got our first real look at what was inside this woman's head (absolutly nothing).

Just as ya'all try to convince yourselves that we must be afraid of her, or pounce on the "Blunda from the Tundra" to distract from Obama's issue, I happen to also firmly believe that you NEED to convince yourselves that we're afraid of her to distract you from having to face the ugly truth about her that Peggy Noonan so aptly described.

McCain's selection of Palin ended ANY chance he had of winning. Period. (And so again, Praise God for Sarah Palin!)

what you are repeating is the staterun media lines about her.
she doesnt fit in the packeaged politician mold.
I would think that someone different would be welcome

and the media HATES HER because of those things..

and HATE is not too strong of a word...

but there has already been one person honest enough to speak out and tell us that they DID INDEED favor biden in that race

WHo was that again???

SKITLLES.,....oh shit..I miss those...the old teeth just wont take much of them anymore....

Afk,

Look at her answer to Charlie Gibson regarding The Bush Doctrine, and tell me she's the best the GOP has to offer and should be the leader of the free world.

"the shot in the arm she gave a failing campaign"

I was going to write in Paris Hilton until McCain picked Bible Spice. Then I felt compelled to vote for Obama.

"OTOH, Palin energized a sizeable portion of the Rep base (social conservatives) who otherwise felt alienated from McCain."

And brought on the present day battle for the soul of the GOP. Between the conservatives who consider the GOP their "owned" party, and the Repub realists who wonder if they can win another election without focusing on broadening their tent. And future historians await the outcome with trepidation and giddiness.

"what you are repeating is the staterun media lines about her."

The vast majority of the damage was self-inflicted. There were no "lies" in the interview with Charlie Gibson. No "lies" when Katie Couric asked her what news sources she reads.

Come on Danforth, that was "gotcha journalism." I mean, how on earth could someone be prepared for a question as complex and difficult as, "so, what newspapers do you like to read"? Anyone would have been stumped by that one.

I was going to write in Paris Hilton until McCain picked Bible Spice. Then I felt compelled to vote for Obama.

#13 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2009-07

oh please...you were an obama asskisser from the gitgo..............yuk yuk

again....youse here...(youse,, as in more than one YOU)...are wanting the neat packaged politician because those are easier to tear up

and beside...ADMIT IT>....when she appeared in those waders the other dayl each of you got a hard on...

here is a good looking woman that loves to fish...

Palin, Palin, Palin. Palin compared to..., Palin's bizarre...Palin's kid...PDA, PDS, PDS. Can't stop talking about Palin.

#2 | Posted by KBM

It's a diversion so we don't talk about the dems.

Question; How's the economy doing?
Answer; Pailn is so serewed up. Them dam righties, they just don't have any brains at all.

The Republican party is alive and well!

We don't even need Palin, we got OBAMA!

Stimulus 101, Cap and Trade (TAX), Health Care for the World, New improved REGULATED food products for our consumption, Taxes for the RICH (?), taxes for the RICH, MORE taxes for the RICH, tax free for those FAMILIES under the $250K mark (By the time this is over, won't we ALL fit here, I mean WELL under?), free cars for everone (Of course electricity and Gas will be to expensive to buy - Cap and Trade, you now)! A true UTOPIA!

Obama AND BIDEN both say it will all be free, just make under that $250,000.00 threashold!

#20

Too funny. They guy can't complain without making up bald-faced lies.

Dang strate dude!!! Sarah Barricueder Palinator be owning the RepublCAN partay and Michaell Bachsmann done gots the second mortgage on it. Al-Rushbo done gots them on up there with his teachings on the 145% reicht teachings. And Glenn Becks and Sean Hannity be reicht their a helping to teachs the Palinator and Micheall Bachsmann to the preserdnting in the 2000 and 12. USA USA USA!!!

Frank Rich is one of the biggest antichrists on earth.

He shat himself over The Passion Of The Christ abd flung it all over.

He gives guys like Zatiochi and Dethspud a run for their money on being antichrist.

THE REAL thing behind a lot of Palin hatin' is that she didn't murder her Down's Syndrome baby like some 90-95% of mothers do.

THE REAL thing behind a lot of Palin hatin' is that she didn't murder her Down's Syndrome baby like some 90-95% of mothers do.

#23 | Posted by kirk at 2009-07-12 04:05 PM | Reply | Flag: CANDIDATE FOR THE STUPIDEST POST OF THE DAY/MONTH/YEAR

any politician who actively believes in the 2nd coming of a zombie pagan and still pretends to have serious opinions on issues that affect millions of secular americans cannot be trusted.

(1) Stimulus 101,
(2) Cap and Trade (TAX),
(3) Health Care for the World,
(4) New improved REGULATED food products for our consumption, (5) Taxes for the RICH (?), taxes for the RICH, MORE taxes for the RICH,
(6) tax free for those FAMILIES under the $250K mark (By the time this is over, won't we ALL fit here, I mean WELL under?), (7) free cars for everone
(8) (Of course electricity and Gas will be to expensive to buy - Cap and Trade, you now)!

A true UTOPIA!Obama AND BIDEN both say it will all be free, just make under that $250,000.00 threashold!#20 | Posted by dogen at 2009-07-12 03:59 PM | Reply | Flag: #20Too funny. They guy can't complain without making up bald-faced lies.#21 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-07-12 04:01 PM |

Please teach us, sensei, how the above 8 are bald-faced lies.

The EASIEST part of Republicans regaining power is the Obama presidency.

The hardest part is for Republicans to cease their douchebaggery and lack of testicles.

But I'm pretty sure Obama's decisions will be sooo much worse than Republican incompetence and douchebaggery.

Maybe, Montecore, but Palin drives men who've paid for abortions and women who've had abortions apesheyt!

Ask one.

Roll call?

Owning the Republican party is like having a booth at a summer flea market that sells winter parkas.

Who in the hell wants it???

any politician who actively believes in the 2nd coming of a zombie pagan and still pretends to have serious opinions on issues that affect millions of secular americans cannot be trusted.#25 | Posted by SammyV at 2009-07-12 04:12 PM | Reply

Like EVERY US President so far has claimed?

Whom do you vote for?

"Please teach us, sensei, how the above 8 are bald-faced lies."

Not all are.

Some are quite obvious.

Are you really suggesting you don't know the difference?

"But I'm pretty sure Obama's decisions will be sooo much worse than Republican incompetence and douchebaggery."

It's nice that in this world, filled with uncertainty and unpredictability, someone is certain of something. The question readers of the Enquirer have is, can we believe him.

Palin is a white Cynthia McKinney. She creates her own problems then cries "victim" and blames the media and anyone else near by.

a conservative with morals

Who? Ms. Ethics Violation? Ms. tax Cheat? Ms. Lie through her teeth about that bridge to nowhere? Ms. daughter can't keep her pants on? Ms. rig the pipeline bid? THAT con with morals? Or do you mean the con with morales, her groundskeeper?

Alaska Governor Sarah Palin said she's not only staying involved in national politics, but she plans to jump back into the national scrum when she leaves office at the end of the month.

The former Republican vice-presidential nominee said she plans to write a book, campaign for political candidates from coast to coast even Democrats who share her views on limited government, national defence and energy independence and build a right-of-centre coalition.

"I will go around the country on behalf of candidates who believe in the right things, regardless of their party label or affiliation," she said during an interview published Sunday in The Washington Times.

I predicted Sarush might go after the NOPpers if they didn't annoint her...

LMAO - one thing I remember is the rights euphoria over her speech followed by the left's euphoria over her Couric interview when we got our first real look at what was inside this woman's head (absolutly nothing).

#9 | Posted by Mutant9

And yet her head has enough in it to know there are 50 US states, not 57. Of course boneheaded liberals will always give a pass to Lord Zero, who has zero between those giant ears.

Who? Ms. Ethics Violation? Ms. tax Cheat? Ms. Lie through her teeth about that bridge to nowhere? Ms. daughter can't keep her pants on? Ms. rig the pipeline bid? THAT con with morals? Or do you mean the con with morales, her groundskeeper?

#33 | Posted by northguy3

Another dumbass liberal who believes all the agitprop that comes from the left. What a tool.

Rich: Palin Broke the GOP and Now She Owns It

ROTFLMAO

Here is the exact quote:

"It is wonderful to be back in Oregon," Obama said. "Over the last 15 months, we've traveled to every corner of the United States. I've now been in 57 states? I think one left to go. Alaska and Hawaii, I was not allowed to go to even though I really wanted to visit, but my staff would not justify it."

Let's do the math. 50 States minus the "one left to go" = 49 States MINUS Alaska and Hawaii = 47 States. Pretty obvious he meant to say "47" but it came out "57".

Now contrast that misstatement of his to Palin's sincere assertion that the close proximity of Alaska to Russia meant that she had foreign policy experience. LMAO

There is much debate on who is right / moral / sensible / intelligent - - liberal Dems or the conservative GOP.

Here is something I ran across in the Bible that would help us make that decision. It is in the NIV version ....

ECCLESIASTES 10:2,3 -

"The heart of he wise inclines ot the right, but the heart of the fool to the left. Even as he walks along he road, the fools lacks sense and shows everyone how stupid he is."

I am not saying the liberal left are fools. What I am saying is that if we outline their main agendas, we find that they disagree in most part from the Bible. And they seem to be proud of that fact, while most of the conservative left sees the fallacy in that.

By the way .... don't shoot the messenger. It was already written thousands of years ago .... I just repeated it.

There is much debate on who is right / moral / sensible / intelligent - - liberal Dems or the conservative GOP.

Here is something I ran across in the Bible that would help us make that decision. It is in the NIV version ....

ECCLESIASTES 10:2,3 -

"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left. Even as he walks along he road, the fools lacks sense and shows everyone how stupid he is."

I am not saying the liberal left are fools. What I am saying is that if we outline their main agendas, we find that they disagree in most part from the Bible. And they seem to be proud of that fact, while most of the conservative left sees the fallacy in that.

By the way .... don't shoot the messenger. I just repeated it.

"I just repeated it."

#40 | Posted by Pastor at 2009-07-12 06:40 PM | Reply | Flag: Reminds me of first grade.

What I am saying is that if we outline their main agendas, we find that they disagree in most part from the Bible.

The part where we stone our children to death for sassing us, or the part where we sell our daughters into slavery?

Zatoichi, I may have just repeated it, but I think you will agree .... it needed repeating!

Lighten up, my friend.

I am not saying the liberal left are fools. What I am saying is that if we outline their main agendas, we find that they disagree in most part from the Bible. And they seem to be proud of that fact, while most of the conservative left sees the fallacy in that.

Just because something disagrees with an old book (no matter how revered that old book may be) does not make it a bad idea. To be more accurate, just because something is inconsistent with an individuals interpretation of that old book doesn't make it a bad idea.

The bible is not some sacrosanct tome containing all knowledge that humanity needs. It has some good ideas in it, but those are by no means unique to the bible. If you want to live your life as a Christian, go ahead and do so - but please don't go foisting the peculiarities of the Christian faith off on others.

With all due respect Pastor, the Bible also says "We shall know them from their fruit".

What kind of "fruit" does the right show us they produce? How many of them have committed adultery as one example.

It's quite easy to speak the words, quite another to walk the talk.

God Bless.

"walk the talk"

#45 | Posted by Lisa at 2009-07-12 06:48 PM | Reply | Flag: ff

You're a sweetie, anyway.

Zombiehunter, me thinks you need to lighten up a bit, too! Don't take everything that is said as a personal confrontation.

Actually, you and I have opposite beliefs. We each think we are right in our revered beliefs. I believe that the Bible really is the sacrosanct tome that gives us every bit of information we need in order to have a Godly life. You don't.

I do live my life to be as Christian as I can. You don't. One day, we will both find out if we were correct or not. I would hate to be the one who rejected the truth. And I certainly do not foist the peculiarities of the Christian faith off on others.

But I do feel free in making comments about what I believe in .... just as you do. Nuff said?

Thank you Zat. Even thogh we disagree on this subject, I am fond of you as well!

Lisa, for goodness sake, don't be so touchy! I gave the Bible reference in an apparently ill-fated attempt to lighten things up a bit.

That reference was never written or intended to compare today's political agendas against one another.

And as for the fruits you speak of ..... I am ashamed of both sides who have sin creep into their lives. And be reminded that BOTH SIDES DO IT. And they deserve to get caught and be dealt with severly.

Of course, to do that, we would have to hold both sides accountable for their actions, and that just wouldn't work in American politics!!!! Heaven forbid!!!!!!!!

I agree with you, but still say you guys need to lighten the load a bit and don't blame everybody on the right by what a few on the right do. Just as I would never blame you for what some on the left has done.

Zombiehunter, me thinks you need to lighten up a bit, too! Don't take everything that is said as a personal confrontation.

Sorry if I come across that way, though I do tend to smell blood in the water when people try to tie religion and politics together.

And I certainly do not foist the peculiarities of the Christian faith off on others.

I wasn't speaking to you, but more broadly. Like I said, you don't seem to be one of the holy-rolling jackasses who makes a scene all of the time. We do have those here, though... sooner or later, you will run into them.

But I do feel free in making comments about what I believe in .... just as you do. Nuff said?

That's fine - I haven't seen you much, but you seem to be among the more civil believers on this site, and I will return the civility.

you seem to be among the more civil believers on this site, and I will return the civility.

#50 | Posted by ZombieHunter

I think you should be mean to him; just for fun.

Pastor:

I have no need to lighten up since I am quite at peace.

I don't know why you would think that I am a member of the left side of the political fence, but you are wrong. I do not belong to either party.

I simply saw something in your post that needed correcting.

Zombiehunter, I shall take your #50 post as your telling me what a wonderful person I am! (another attempt at humor)

I am a very strong Christian, but do not take my Bible and hit people over their heads with it. That does nothing to glorify God, it only gets people mad at me!!!!

I also believe that if Jesus didn't come to condemn, I shouldn't either. I will speak what I perceive the truth to be, and I think politics SHOULD include a religious belief, but my shoving that down your throat isn't going to make it happen, so I don't do that.

I demand you respect my viewpoints, but to do that, I must first respect yours. That is how I operate.

And you seem quite civil yourself. More gets done that way.

Lisa, what you thought needed correcting only needed clarifying. As far as not being a part of either party, you are very smart to not be - as long as you still use your vote to try and achieve what you think is best for our nation.

By the way ... I am pleased to make your acquaintance. I am sure we might butt heads in the future, but know that a disagreement doesn't have to be disagreeable.

Pastor:

Nice to meet you as well.

You are correct, I used the wrong wording...clarifying is a much better word.

Hi Jeff!

And Jeff ... your #50 post - - - tsk tsk tsk! ;-)

I meant your #51 post!

Hi Lisa!

Pastor,

Welcome aboard.

Pastor,

Welcome aboard.

#58 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-07-12 07:17 PM | Reply | Flag: another mentally retarded superstitious idiot to make fun of

Thank you, Jeff. And you, too, Lisa. Let me tell you up front that most of my opinions will be based on what the Bible says about right vs. wrong.

But I am not sanctimonious as some have accused. I am just true to my opinions. And I would expect you to be the same. (makes for a lively debate!!!)

Thanks again!

#59 | Posted by Zatoichi

You made me spit my drink onto the monitor, asshole! ;-)

Don't mind Zat, Pastor. He's an equal-opportunity offender.

My opnions regading right and wrong come from the exact same place, Pastor.

Again, welcome!

Let's do the math. 50 States minus the "one left to go" = 49 States MINUS Alaska and Hawaii = 47 States. Pretty obvious he meant to say "47" but it came out "57".

Now contrast that misstatement of his to Palin's sincere assertion that the close proximity of Alaska to Russia meant that she had foreign policy experience. LMAO

#38 | Posted by Mutant9

One big problem mut (dumb ass). BHO actualy said the thing about the 57 states and the statement about russia was from SNL. Palin never said it.

You made me spit my drink onto the monitor, asshole! ;-)

Victory!

"One big problem mut (dumb ass). BHO actualy said the thing about the 57 states and the statement about russia was from SNL. Palin never said it."

Gee Sniper, I'm a dumbass? Didn't I QUOTE BHO saying "57 States"? Most educated people understand that quotation marks means I am relaying exactly what he said! Perhaps some reading comprehension courses would help you get along better in life?

And the problems continue ....

I am left wondering if Zatoichi or Sniper can say anything meaningful at all without cursing or slinging negatives to others. Hmmmmm ..... I'll have to keep a watch and see if they can or not.

They are like so many on here - they have some really good points, but then they take the focus off the point they are making by using the foul language they use. They seem to think that if they are okay with their cursing, everyone else should be, too.

In reality, I think most people would rather hear their opinions than hear the garbage they tend to spew. Hey guys, give it a try, will ya? You make excellent points - let's stick to them for awhile, okay? Thanks.

"
I am left wondering if Zatoichi or Sniper can say anything meaningful at all "

So say something meaningful, dimwit.

Jesus is a myth for stupid people.
That's meaningful, you fucking worthless fraud.

And so the ZAT proves my point. It has been correctly said that the most unintelligent of people use the worst language and are always feeling inferior, so they combat that by putting others down when they can hide behind the veil of anonymity in doing so.

Zat, you need to seriously grow up, my friend. It would seem the only person you are impressing is yourself. Everyone else sees you for who you really are ... a very lonely, unhappy, frustrated person who cannot form a cohesive thought no matter how hard you try.

I will pray for you, my feeble friend.

"you need to seriously grow up:"

#68 | Posted by Pastor at 2009-07-12 07:56 PM | Reply | Flag: pathetic irony

You are one stupid waste of meat, fuckwit.

Zat,
I will pray for you

No need.

Zat, like most of us, has his faults. However, over the years (6 on this site by my count) he has proven to be very much at peace with himself.

And now we have ZATOICHI weighing in with his total inability to debate with any logical thought! I wondered when he would try to throw in his senseless and inferior thoughts.

Guess what took him so long was finding someone who would help him spell the words correctly.

Oops, now I did it! Both are going to gang up on me and confer every bad word they know trying to put me down. Of course, they are wasting their precious time, because everyone who reads their insults has great pity on them.

Hey, ZAT - I really do mean it when I say I will pray for you and Sniper. And my prayer is that the both of you will soon mature to the point where you can see how foolish you appear, and then change to not have to rely on your childishness and hatred for others. That you realize what maturity could mean to you and that you employ every good sense in your conversations with others. And I will pray it will not take forever.

"he has proven to be very much at peace with himself."

Posted by JeffJ at 2009-07-12 08:00 PM

Damn boy, I may actually begin to like you.

#71 | Posted by Pastor at 2009-07-12 08:04 PM | Reply | Flag: Beseech your imaginary friends all you want shit-for-brains.

I first chose 'imbecile' but you are not that intelligent.

ZAT ... your trying to have an intelligent conversation with someone is like taking a rubber band to a gun fight. Why don't we settle this -

You and I are exact opposites in every way. I will not listen to your dribble and you will not listen to my commentary. So let's be grown up enough to stop the bantering and just ignore one another.

Arguing for the sake of arguing proves nothing.

"Palin never said it.

#63 | Posted by Sniper"

Um......replay, anyone?

"You and I are exact opposites in every way."
#74 | Posted by Pastor

PhD on the one hand....."sanitary engineer" on the other.

Point taken.

PASTOR---Think "Exorcist"---The demon smeared shit just to prove smearing shit was hard to stop---There was nothing clever about it and what's worse, being a demon, that was fine with it.

Palin did say it, I agree. But let me say this if I might. Palin gives many conservatives what they have been wanting for years .... some kind of hope that there is something better out there than what they've had.

She is not going to be the ultimate leader of the party, nor will she be a viable contender for the presidency. But because they see a hope in her that spurs them on, they will eventually get someone who can lead them.

The liberals also clamor for a leader. They also have none at present. But eventually, they will find someone who can lead them just as the conservatives will find someone to lead them. Neither party has had a real leader in decades. They've had plenty of politicians, but politicians cannot lead. If they could, they would've already done it.

So, let Palin do her thing and then fade away. Let BHO do his thing and let him fade away. And then let the two new leaders take over and then let's get something done in this nation for a change!

"The liberals also clamor for a leader. They also have none at present."

Eat a lot of paint chips when you were young?

Oh, fine! Now we are apparently experiencing the childish debacle of Letusprey as he tries to show his non-existent intelligence.

By the way, change your post to show a doctorate in Physics, a Masters in Divinity, and a Masters in Meteorology. And nope .... no paint chips. But I was right .... there is not a qualified leader in either party that has the best interest of America as their #1 priority. It is all about which party and that party's politics.

And they are perpetuated by those who bow down to the party lines rather than use their brains to vote for the person who will do the most for America.

"Masters in Divinity"

Waste of time and money. You would have been better off learning about Tarot cards.

"Masters in Divinity"

Mine's in Physics.

Kiss my ass.

And now the cousin from the lower side of town chimes in. How you doing, Jackass? And tell me - why would anyone feel great about referring to themselves as a JACKASS?

No, it wasn't a waste of time and money. I have always felt it is better to find out what you are talking about BEFORE you start talking. It saves you from going through some very difficult times - unless a person is the type of person who just doesn't care.

Also, Letusprey --- I didn't know you were a sanitary engineer. Well, at least it's an honest job! And nothing wrong with it, either.

Any other God-hater, or Pastor-hater, or foul-mouthed person want to chime in for good measure? I'll give you one shot and then I will ignore you if you can't say anything constructive, relevant, or civil. I came on this site to discuss the subject matter at hand, not trade insults with those who don't know how to converse.

Basically you went to college to learn to be a snake oil salesman. Pastor I assume you bilk people out of their money week after week? I'd say there is little honor in that.

Jackass, the first thing you did wrong (and stupid) was to assume. I do not take pay for what I do. I do not take any compensation. I freely give, just as the Bible says to do.

I feel sorry for you that you have no clue as to what I am talking about. I wish there were some way to explain it to you so even someone on your level could understand.

You are certainly entitled to your thoughts, no matter how wrong they might be. I have met others with your philosophy in life - - - "my mind is already made up, so don't bother me with the facts."

I feel great amounts of compassion and pity for you, and I will pray for you, whether you want me to or not, but I will not waste any more time having a conversation that is based on nothing but idiocy and stupidity. Have a good evening, be at peace with your self, pat yourself on the back, but please don't waste any more of your time trying to bait me .... I will not answer you back, no matter what kind of childish insult you try and throw my way. I would prefer to stick to the point of the site.

I would prefer to stick to the point of the site.

#85 | Posted by Pastor

The point of this site is for its members to ridicule you.

Pastor,

Take some friendly advice...there are some here who can discuss any subject with logical thought, respect and class. Some you can not talk to about some topics, others it is best not to have any conversation with at all.

Figure it out quickly, my friend.

It helps keep the blood pressure down!!

LOL

Pastor, Lisa is one that has been known to cut and run when she has been proven wrong. Lisa wants an echo chamber. When she does not get it she hides.

Lisa is one that has been known to cut and run when she has been proven wrong

Or maybe she has a real life to live?

Or maybe she has a real life to live?

#89 | Posted by Gimme_a_Scotch

She has a man now to watch the kid she should be able to spend even more time on the retort.

And I do, which I need to get back to in a minute, Gimme.

He just likes to try and bait me into a nasty discussion. I'm not interested.

Gotta go. Have a great evening!

Lisa, I appreciate the advice. And you are right ... out of a man's mouth comes the intelligence from the brain and the immaturity of the heart. I spotted him very quickly.

When he attacks, it makes him feel as if he did something good, kind of like making him feel equal to, or as important as. Unfortunately, everyone but he sees the deception.

You have a very blessed evening and I wish you total peace. Love your child, as they grow up way to fast!

Wrong Lisa. I showed you the truth. You buried your head in the sand like an ostrich and refused to see it.

Pastor I know I am a better man than you. You may not be able to admit it but you know it is the truth.

Jackass .... you didn't answer my question. I asked you why would somebody be proud to refer to themselves as a JACKASS. You can avoid answering if you wish, and I don't want to swap any more insults with you, but I am curious as to what kind of self-image you have that would make you want to be known as a JACKASS.

I am a Jackass. Why would I run from it? I am the ultimate liberal warrior. I was one the driving forces behind the election of Obama.

And you are proud of that? No wonder you have such a low self-image. You try to prove that being obnoxious is something to be proud of.

You hate God, you see no reason to acknowledge Jesus Christ, and you go against every single tenant of proper thinking that is in the Bible.

And you are proud of it. I congratulate you .... you answered my question with honesty, no matter how much it actually shows about you.

I now bid you farewell. Our conversations are over. If it makes you feel like some kind of super-hero, you can keep slinging insults at me, but I will not respond anymore. Oh, by the way .... you were wrong in your post #94. You said you are a better man than I am. What you were wrong in was that you are not a man in any way other than maybe physically. Mentally, emotionally, and spiritually, you are nowhere near a man. You are, however, a person who definitely feels inferior, probably having a hatred for others because they intimidate you, and you hide behind anonymity on this site so you can spew your hatred on to others.

I feel very sorry for you, Jackass. Very sorry indeed. But, I shall pray that you someday become open to a better mindset and a proper set of morals. Good-bye.

Or maybe she has a real life to live?

#89 | Posted by Gimme_a_Scotch

She has a man now to watch the kid she should be able to spend even more time on the retort.

Mybe it's like scotch says -- she has a real life to live.

It's pathetic how you have to troll and act outrageous in order to draw attention to yourself ratsa. You are the one who needs a life.

" and you hide behind anonymity on this site so you can spew your hatred on to others."

That's nothing; he signed on to another poster's blog as me one day, and proceeded to spew hatred there, too, to the tune of a few dumps.

He'll lie about it to this day, despite the fact there are witnesses, and he admitted it in both a self-destruct email to me and a post on this blog.

I am the ultimate liberal warrior. I was one the driving forces behind the election of Obama

I can only hope for your sake that your "horrible" Republican foster parents who so kindheartedly took you back in after they found out that you were living on the streets in Georgia don't get wind of this and kick your sorrowful ass out into the "hell on earth" known as Texas jackass

I would think that the moderator may not be doing their job properly.

The moderation policy states:

"Users who post comments should follow common rules of netiquette, like not posting in ALL CAPS.

User comments will be deleted if they contain commercial spam, viruses, illegal pornography, threats against public officials, threats of violence, excessive obscenity, prejudice based on race, religion, sexuality or gender, or personal harassment directed at another user (in particular, any attempt to identify a user's real name, address or workplace).

Extreme violations of these rules are called dumps. Users who receive three dumps in a 14-day period will have their posting privileges suspended for 14 days, aside from unmoderated discussions."

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Considering the above rules, and considering the main context of Jackass's words and obnoxiousness, he should be dumped, along with a warning to others that when they forget about the retort and only aim at personal insults, they will also be dumped.

Of course, for that to happen, the moderator would have to be keeping up with the posts, too. That way, the diversion of having to deal with those type of people could be dispensed with and more time could be spent actually debating issues.

Pastor what rules have I broken? I made you look foolish. Get over it. The longer you spend here the more often it will happen.

Jackass is full of shit. He was full of shit here, full of shit on PWZ, and full of shit here again.

Gimme my adopted parents live in California. They live in a very republican section of the state. I never visit them. They send me invitations every year but I always decline. Unless they change their beliefs I see no need to grace them with my presence.

Boyd you need to calm down. Being irrelevant really bothers you doesn't it?

Unless they change their beliefs I see no need to grace them with my presence.

???

Yet you don't expect me to change my beliefs to be blessed with your presence.

Your odd revelations never cease to surprise me, ratsa.

Ahh Pastor, your cries for civil debate at the retort will only garner you more ridicule and venom. Personal attacks are the stock and trade of both the right and left here at the DR. With your overt sensitivity to colorful language, I fear you'll never be comfortable here. And with your propensity for passing judgment on the intelligence of those who don't share this sensitivity, you show a weakness in your commitment to the teachings of your Savior. IMHO...

Blue language and intelligent discourse aren't mutually exclusive...Hunter Thompson, George Carlin, Bill Hicks, all proved that beyond any doubt.

Your being full of shit bothers me, jackass. You are a professional straw man. If you had any balls you wouldn't be the Sasha Cohen of the Drudge Retort.

Goatman-
It is only because Jackass occasionally serves as your perfect "liberal" straw man that you tolerate his bullshit at all.

It is only because Jackass occasionally serves as your perfect "liberal" straw man that you tolerate his bullshit at all.

No, actually it is a sinful pleasure I indulge myself in. I know it is not nice to laugh at the mentally inferior, but with ratsa, I can't help it.

I don't claim to be a liberal I am a liberal. You just can't seem to grasp that.

. I know it is not nice to laugh at the mentally inferior, but with ratsa, I can't help it.

#110 | Posted by goatman

Says the idiot too stupid to join the union.

A person who severs their relationship with their parents based on a difference of political beliefs borders on being paranoid.

As to how a person can be dumped, why don't they look at their posts and see ... 1) how obnoxious they try to be just for the sake of being obnoxious, and 2) how much profanity they use.

If you read the posts of others, you will see that they make fun of you and look down upon you. That may not bother you, but it would shame any reasonably intelligent adult. It has been my experience that those who are proud of being socially unexceptable are generally those who have no life to speak of and are clinically diagnosed as being emotionally ill.

I would suggest the first thing you do is contact your parents, swallow your pride, and pay them the courtesy they deserve, even if they don't agree with your politics.

The second thing I would do is try to seek professional help. You are somewhat delusional and your pride is keeping you from seeing how you are viewed by most others. I would gamble that you are unhappy in life, even if you would say you aren't, and that I have pushed many of your buttons. You also fit the profile of having little or no friends and spend too much time alone and you blame others for what you have created for yourself.

And the only way you know how to react is to go ballistic and resort to childish put downs, drawing attention to yourself. None of which helps you, but they do act to make you feel more inferior.

I am not trying to get on your case now. I am trying to show you a truth - a truth you desperately need to look at for your own sake. Believe it or not, I am trying to help you. I honestly hope you take it as such.

And before you respond, please do some honest soul-searching and analyze yourself to see if any of what I have said is really true. You don't have to tell me, just consider it yourself.

I don't claim to be a liberal I am a liberal. You just can't seem to grasp that.

No, ratsa, you are a pathetic excuse of a little man who is screaming for attention. You do it by saying outrageously ignorant things.

It's sad that your self-esteem is so low that you resort to these tactics in your cries for attention.

Were you ignored as a child? Did your parents beat you? A shrink would have a field day exploring the reasons you cry out to anonymous people daily for attention.

Says the idiot too stupid to join the union.

I'm not willing to take the cut in pay and benefits. If that makes me stupid -- then color me stupid.

But I'd rather be stupid and have money than 'smart' and have less like you. If the union is s important to you that you would take a pay cut, all the more power to you. We each have our own lives to live and although you try to tell me how to live mine, I will let you live yours how you please with your lower pay and union dues. I've no problem at all with you choosing that life.

(is this enough attention from me for tonight? I'm sorta tired of feeding you now.)

What is obnoxious to one man is another man's bread and butter Pastor. Learn to live with it but stay with us I enjoy your commentary.

P.S. That is not an invitation to break bread with me I'm just saying.

You hate God, you see no reason to acknowledge Jesus Christ, and you go against every single tenant of proper thinking that is in the Bible. - Pastor

So? God does not exist so he can't be hated. Acknowledge Jesus Christ - what does that mean?
There is "proper thinking" in the Bible?

I think it is Pastor who needs to do some research and post here in a less self-righteous fashion - but then if he calls himself "Pastor" and boasts of his academice qualifications, then I guess he is of little interest except to himself, and to his mother, of course.

RE: Post # 107 by MrSoul62.

I do not have an 'overt sensitivity' to foul language. I just think intelligent people don't need it to convey ideas. And I do not pass judgment on the IQ of others. I do, however, point out that intelligent people know how to converse without the foul language. And foul language is most different than colorful language.

I used to be a pro boxer. I lived in the gym, and I am not put out by "blue language" as you lovingly refer to it as. But when a person has nothing else to say but nasty comments to others, and they accentuate it with foul words, I prefer to remind them that they are wrong.

As to a weakness in my commitment to my Savior, you need to back up a little and quit being so judgmental yourself. There is no weakness in telling the truth. There is only weakness when someone offers to accept a wrong, and then tries to find ways to justify it as if it were right. Kind of like what you seem to be doing.

I am not uncomfortable here, but I do see a wide chasm between two types of people: The first type is those who are trying to have meaningful dialogue and the second type is those who are here to only stir up trouble and those who try to justify them.

I am not trying to stir trouble between thee and me, but when you write to me, I will respond by telling you the truth, whether or not you wish to hear it.

they always know "the truth" don't they?

GIMME_A_SCOTCH .... Ah, come on, man! I was looking forward to a steak dinner of some kind! Now you tell me you don't want to eat with me!

And to SITDOWN. I mentioned my academics because there was an inuendo that I had none. You might want to read the posts before you make comments on them - it would make you look more informed.

As to God and the Bible .... I will not debate that. If you believe in God, you will understand why I say that. If you don't, there is nothing I can say that would change your mind, and I am not going to get into that brouhaha with you.

I will tell you what I told Jackass earlier. If it makes you feel like some kind of super-hero, keep slandering me. If, on the other hand, you want to be viewed as a serious minded adult, get over it. Now, if anyone wants to have a serious conversation about the topic of this blog, I will respond. If you want to engage in civil discourse, I won't join you.

Ah, come on, man! I was looking forward to a steak dinner of some kind! Now you tell me you don't want to eat with me!

Um well maybe once if you're buying

I used to be a pro boxer. I lived in the gym, and I am not put out by "blue language" as you lovingly refer to it as.

Posted by Pastor

What is your name then? I fought in the amateurs and never miss any fights. I am sure I know who you are or at least somebody who beat you.

Is this you?

Um well maybe once if you're buying

#121 | Posted by Gimme_a_Scotch

Gimme next time I go to Vegas I'll take you to the best steakhouse in the city and give you a bottle of scotch.

As one of the more civil posters here, I feel inclined to comment.

This fucking Pastor guy makes me want to hurl.

Me buying a steak dinner? I thought you were!

If you're expecting me to buy, you might as well get prepared for a peanut butter & jelly, my friend!

Have a good night. We shall talk again soon.

Silver_Ironist ..... If I make you that uncomfortable, you should leave the site.

But, since I have never talked to you, yet make you sick to your stomach, you should either see your primary care physician, or a psychiatrist.

Or, you could just chill out and just understand that other people have other viewpoints than you do and you need to just accept it.

Pastor is poor and broke I take. Such a shame. Maybe I can send him some spam.

Gimme next time I go to Vegas I'll take you to the best steakhouse in the city and give you a bottle of scotch.

Gee jackass I'm really touched but I live in the Reno/Sparks area thankfully so ...how should I put this... oh yeah No Thanks I prefer to keep my dignity

Pastor you are such an old woman. Give us a break

oh yeah No Thanks I prefer to keep my dignity

#128 | Posted by Gimme_a_Scotch

Ok you can stick with your usual meals of PBJ

Ok you can stick with your usual meals of PBJ

Jelly? What part of my financial position don't you comprehend jackass? Such extravagance! But otherwise I will.

Gimme I offered you a fine steak and a bottle of 15 yr old scotch. But you decline solely because I am a liberal.

Gimme I offered you a fine steak and a bottle of 15 yr old scotch. But you decline solely because I am a liberal.

We've been over this before jackass it's because you are a jerk. I'd accept an offer like that (or even go Dutch) if it was Sandie Andie, Rogers, Spudmeister and about 20 other DR Libs but not you.

Would you eat a meal with Larry?

Would you eat a meal with Larry?

I invited Larry maybe that's why he hasn't been around cause he's riding his bicycle out here.

If Larry ever saw me I wouldn't be suprised if he tried to shoot me. Larry hates me. I don't know why but he does.

If Larry ever saw me I wouldn't be suprised if he tried to shoot me. Larry hates me. I don't know why but he does.

He wouldn't shoot you jackass he'd give you a "Stink Face" like Rikishi but it'd be deadly. Damn I can't wait to go barhopping with him I'll be talking about this for years. Yeah I know he doesn't drink but whatever.

Silver_Ironist ..... If I make you that uncomfortable, you should leave the site.

Sorry, I'm a certified drudgejunkie, I'm not going anywhere.

Where else can you make fun of self-proclaimed godly men angling for souls? If you laugh at them in their churches, or kiss in their parks as the case may be, you get detained.

Where I grew up people would constantly stop others on the street, witness and then ask if they could pray for them.

It's kind of like those talking cars in the 70's that would tell you when your door was open.

It get's really old after awhile.

An adult gets to make spiritual choices these days, no thanks to Christ's Church. Constantly being proselytized certainly help me make mine, but not in the way that was intended.

So, if you think this is a fertile field to fish for souls, go right ahead, but I feel I must warn you.

This site is of the devil.

"What kind of "fruit" does the right show us they produce? How many of them have committed adultery as one example."

Committing adultery does not make someone a fruit, Lisa. Toe-tapping in airport men's rooms does.

GIBSON: What insight into Russian actions, particularly in the last couple of weeks [in Georgia], does the proximity of the state [Alaska] give you?

Damn, Doc...how many times did Palin pee in your cereal to cause you this much angst? You really have a vendetta for the woman, don't you? She isn't holding any office (or won't be soon) so maybe you could gin up a couple dozen threads for Biden's gaffs...no? I mean, after all, HE is a political figure much more significant, right? I say a prayer for Obama's continuing health every morning. Aren't YOU a little concerned too.

#102 | POSTED BY JACKASS
"Pastor what rules have I broken? I made you look foolish. Get over it. The longer you spend here the more often it will happen."

Jackass, I may end up disagreeing with Pastor 90% of the time, but if there's anyone in this exchange that was made to look foolish, it was you. And the thing is, you did it all by yourself.

Although, in the interest of fairness, Pastor, the idea of a political left and right goes back a little over 200 years, whereas Ecclesiastes goes back at least to the 3rd century BC. Nonetheless, a clever quote.

RE: post #138 by SILVER_IRONIST

You are one very angry person when it comes to the subject of God. But you are right .... you have that choice. But you do NOT have a right or choice to tell me what you assume I am doing.

I am not using this site to fish for souls. I am using this just like you are doing .... to read and reply to things that interest me. Are you telling me I have no right to do that? I would suggest that if you feel intimidated, hurt, angry, or anything else by what you have experienced, you take it out by being rude to them - not me must because I am a professing Christian and pastor.

If you open your eyes a little, you will see one thing. I make no apologies for my beliefs. I do not back down from them. But I also do not use them to chase after people and tell them how wrong they are. I give what I believe when I have the opportunities, and then let the person decide how they will use that information, and I will not pursue after that unless I am asked.

Do you have a problem with that?

Pastor, if you've come to this site looking for intelligent dialogue, then just keep on looking elsewhere. But if you are looking for partisan bickering with an occasional drop of humor thrown in, you're in the right place. The beauty of a blog is that consistency is not a virtue, but rather a shackle to be tossed off when it becomes inconvenient.

Pastor, may I ask what religion if any denomination, you are a Pastor of?

He said he was from AZ,I just assumed he was related to Ed Pastor-D,Azfourth congressional district

Thetom you are wrong. I make everyone who debates me look foolish. You will be no exception.

I'd like to know Pastors name so I could look him up on boxrec.

Thanks Bruce.

Lisa, I was raised Southern Baptist with Charles Stanley as my pastor. In my adult years, I have sit under many teachings. As an ordained pastor, I have been a church planter, and I have chosen to plant churches as non-denominational.

I believe we need to pay attention to what God says in His word, and not necessarily fall in line with a denominational board of directors who sit in another state. Denominations have done wonders in helping spread the Gospel, but I feel the need to teach God's word and not a denominational doctrine.

I hope that does not offend anyone. I believe we are all called to do the same thing, but in different ways. And I am trying my best to do the one thing in the way I feel called to do. I may come across on here as a stern person, but I assure you that people mean a great deal to me, and I view myself as a servant first and foremost. I enjoy helping others in any way I can - even those who do no agree with me and those who get angry at me because of how I believe.

Pastor did you fight anybody of note?

Thank you Pastor. I figured by your posts that it wa non denominational.

I agree wholeheartedly with your beliefs!

May God continue to Bless your efforts and visions.

I said I "used to be" from Arizona. I have not lived there for years. As far as my name, that is entirely unimportant. As far as being related to Ed Pastor - - the word 'pastor' to him is a name. The word 'pastor' to me is a vocation.

Just by trying to be civil and reminding a few others that they would gain more by being civil, I seem to have created a hornet's nest among many. That was not my intention. I just don't understand how people can purposely be as demeaning as possible to others, all based upon a predication and perception of political ideology.

I certainly didn't mean to make others so uncomfortable with the thought of being nice and courteous.

Who I was in the ring with is unimportant. How many times I won or lost in totally irrelevant. Some names you would know, some you would not. It doesn't matter.

I did fight Tony Danza once. Had him by points going into the 5th or 6th round. Then he showed his true colors by becoming unpleasant and he beat me to a pulp in the later rounds. (some people just don't have any sense of humor!)

He was not only a good fighter, he was a genuinely nice guy.

JACKASS ... See, when you are civil, I respond. When you act like a jackass, I don't. By the way, I am glad you were civil. It is nice to exchange posts with you.

Sorry,I didn't mean to hurt your feelings.You only been here for three weeks or so,I don't know who the hell you are.

Nice and courteous,guess you don't know what you signed up for.

Pastor, don't take it personal. We get attacked often for our beliefs here. I just pray! LOL

#148 | POSTED BY JACKASS
"Thetom you are wrong. I make everyone who debates me look foolish. You will be no exception."

Thank you, Jackass, for proving my point.
I expected no less, and you delivered.

BRUCEAZ .... You didn't hurt my feelings. I just didn't want to hurt anyone else's feelings. And as far as your not knowing me, that does not change the fact that we should each stand firm in our beliefs, but do it in such a way as to not purposely try to cause friction.

Lisa .... I don't take too many things personally. I cannot afford to, as I have been much worse to others in my life than these people have been to me. If I point a finger of blame at them, I have to remember that there are three more fingers pointing back at me.

Besides, things always seem to work out evenly over the long haul, and God does eventually have His way, which is always better than our way! So all is fine.

Thetom, glad I could deliver.

Amen!!

#148 | Posted by jackass

Where the fuck were you Wednesday before last?

You're always talking shit about how you want to meet for a beer.

I took time out of my week, crossed the fucking river in Nuevo, got a table at Garcia's for us, and you stood me the fuck up.

You're a fucking sniveling-ass little snatch, Jackass.

You should have emailed me. I would have went and bought you a beer. I didn't know we were supposed to meet. Weekends work better for me though. I have to be at work at 7 am.

I don't know what is funnier - Jak pretending to have been at Garcia's, or Jackass believing him? I think I gotta go with Jackass believing him - at least Jak is cognizant of reality.

You should have emailed me.

No.

I made plans on the thread.

No email required.

I didn't know we were supposed to meet.

Bullshit.

Weekends work better for me though. I have to be at work at 7 am.

Then you need to cowboy the fuck up, you urbanized little bourgeois twat.

I'm 35 years old and can drink til 3am and be horseback before daylight and work in 110 degree heat.

All you have to do the next day is go sit in a little air-conditioned cube.

Goddamn, you're a pussy.

Stand me up....

Punk motherfucker.

Montecore if you come to my town I would buy you some beers too. I only dislike one person on this blog I wouldn't have a beer with them. That would be nanc.

I'm 35 years old and can drink til 3am and be horseback before daylight and work in 110 degree heat..

Sounds like the horse is doing most of the work

I would have a beer with you too, Jak. I actually find you to be one of the most interesting people in this loony bin, even when you're shredding on me. You're obviously unusually educated, but a cowboy. I haven't figured that out yet. An enigma.

You really remind me of a friend of mine in San Diego, but he is a 60+ year old systems programmer. When I first saw some of your posts, though, I almost called him to find out if he was.... (fuck, I just lost your old handle. Too many Coors Lights, I guess).

Have you read any Cormac McCarthy?

Sounds like the horse is doing most of the work

No.

That would've been the show Jackass missed at Garcia's featuring your wife.

That would've been the show Jackass missed at Garcia's featuring your wife.

Horse probably does most of the thinking,too.

I wondered what she's been up to,LOL

I wondered what she's been up to

The skin tag right under my belly button.

I don't let her go much higher.

Something about her sorry-assed ex-husband who wouldn't spring an extra $30 a month for dental insurance....

Same here. I don't anyone who kisses her on the mouth.

#168 | Posted by mOntecOre

Me too, and that's sweet, but there's a cosmetic dynamic that must be maintained in order for this site to continue to retain its entertainment value.

entertainment value.

Thanks guys,that was fun.Talk to you later

That would've been the show Jackass missed at Garcia's featuring your wife.

Mi ex suegra es de esposa de bruceaz?

"It's more likely that she will never get anywhere near the White House, and not just because of her own limitations. The Palinist "real America" is demographically doomed to keep shrinking."

Bye, bye, uneducated white trash. Maybe now you can fulfill your dreams of becoming migrant farm workers as the Mexicans move up in the work force as well.

"Thanks guys,that was fun.Talk to you later

#174 | Posted by bruceaz"

Uh oh. Ms. Bruceaz is gonna get a beatin. Do us a favor, Bruce - only hit her in the face.

Anyway, Jak, read this

Ok. I'll do it.

But I want you to do something, as well.

Go rent a DVD caled The Three Burials of Melquida Estrada.

They filmed it where I grew up.

Dad has a cameo.

It does in the 21st century what only Elmer Kelton could do in the 20th.

Fair enough. I'll put it at the top of my netflix queue, and watch when I get back in town after my imminent vacation. Thanks for the tip.

That's 'The Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada'.

Sort of like Lonesome Dove where Tommy Lee drags a corpse all over the place.

Frank Rich is one of the biggest antichrists on earth.

He gives guys like Zatiochi and Dethspud a run for their money on being antichrist.

~Evil Kirk from an alternate Universe

Spud and Zat are in competition to become the next anti-Christ?

News to Spud.

Hmmm, better start doing more sit-ups at the gym.

Can Christ and the Anti-Christ exist in the same proximity or will they explode like matter and anti-Matter?

Or are they more like Pasta and anti-Pasta?

Scientifically inquiring minds want to know.

/Also exactly how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

On Topic?

Rich is right. Palin has pretty much WTFpwned her own party with her lack of qualifications and basic thinking/speaking skills and the only real question now is who's the bigger albatross here?

The GOP around Sarah Palin's neck or Palin around the GOP's neck?

Either way is still funny.

Ah, the modern GOP, still proving that you don't have to know how to spell "irrelevant" in order to BE irrelevant.

Be Well.

"the next anti-Christ"

There was a first one?

Hell, Christ is just a stupid myth for worthless idiots, so how can there even be an 'anti'?.

ZATOICHI ... I will give you a truth that will push ever single button you have! And there is no doubt in my mind that most of the people on here will use every strand of hate in their hearts and point it right at me, but the truth is what I must give - whether you wish to hear it or not.

As long as you have the stiff-necked attitude of saying,

"Christ is just a stupid myth for worthless idiots", you are absolutely hell-bound for an eternity. And once that sentence has been passed, you will be fully aware of your idiocy, but then it will be too late to get any "do-overs."

I would suggest you do not just react to my comment, but to really spend some time thinking about it. I will not debate or dispute this with you, no matter how much hate and slander you send my way or try to bait me on it. I gave you a truth, and now you are responsible for what you do with it.

And to all who are getting ready to lam blast me - - think about this: You feel free to state whatever you wish and you all but demand that everyone accept it. Why do you not afford me or others the same privilege you want for yourselves?

ZATOICHI ... I will give you a truth that will push ever single button you have! And there is no doubt in my mind that most of the people on here will use every strand of hate in their hearts and point it right at me, but the truth is what I must give - whether you wish to hear it or not.

As long as you have the stiff-necked attitude of saying,

"Christ is just a stupid myth for worthless idiots", you are absolutely hell-bound for an eternity. And once that sentence has been passed, you will be fully aware of your idiocy, but then it will be too late to get any "do-overs."

I would suggest you think about it. I will not debate or dispute this with you, no matter how much hate and slander you send my way. I gave you a truth, and now you are responsible for what you do with it.

And to all who are getting ready to lam blast me - - think about this: You feel free to state whatever you wish and you all but demand that everyone accept it. Why do you not afford me or others the same privilege you want for yourselves?

And I apologize for this double posting .... I shall proof-read better in he future.

"Christ is just a stupid myth for worthless idiots", you are absolutely hell-bound for an eternity.

Where does Jesus say that in your Bible?

Because he doesn't say it in mine.

Pastor, you made a comment on another thread that I was angry about God.

I have no beef with God. God and I are cool.

What I don't like is the spiritual blackmail Christians practice.

You know, "Believe what I believe or you will spend eternity in a lake of fire?"

Or how about, "If you know about Jesus but still refuse to believe, you are damned."

I choose not to believe in a loving God that would throw me in into eternal damnation because I did not say the right words, eat the right sacraments, buy the right indulgences, feel the right emotions, believe the right myths, honor the right manuscripts, handle the right serpents or bow to those that market such devices.

So, let's be clear, the anger you I feel is not directed towards God, it is against people like you, God's self-anointed messengers.

SILVER_IRONIST ...

Read before you reply. Specifically, read post # 182 by Zatoichi. He is the one who said that, I never, and neither did Jesus.

I was replying to what Zatoichi said in his post when he said - ... "Christ is just a stupid myth for worthless idiots, so how can there even be an 'anti'?."

My Bible states that if we are not with Jesus, we are against Him - period. There is no gray area given, and no wiggle room to hide out in so we can "feel" safe. We cannot be standing in a parking lot and in a living room at the same time, nor can we live in the world and take of its pleasures while claiming to be Christians. We live it, or we are faking it.

That does not mean we cannot have things that are of this world. IE, homes, going bowling, etc etc etc. But we cannot let any of them displace our focus on Jesus.

Silver_Ironist .... you need to read and get to know that which you love to talk about.

It is not God who throws you into a burning fire - it is yourself who does. God wrote the rules thousands of years ago. It is we who need to conform to His standards, not He who needs to conform to ours. If we do not obey he laws of the city we live in, we go to jail, and have nobody to blame but ourselves.

Likewise, if we do not obey God's rules, we cannot gripe about what happens to us because of our arrogant pride. We are to blame, not God. And any attempt to lay the blame for our decisions on Him just proves our arrogant pride.

And it isn't trying to get you to believe what I believe. I believe in the Bible (all of it). You have a choice to do that or not. But the Bible also states that we must have the Son before we can have the Father. (1 JOHN 2:22-23)

So if you and God are cool, that means you accept Jesus. But if you do not accept Jesus, then you are not cool with God.

Also, I am not 'self-appointed.' And I will not debate someone whose mind is already made up to the extent that he will not accept any other view but his own. I have been where you are, and have given the same retorts you give. You have never been where I am at, and therefore you do not have the views I do. Where I fault you is that you refuse to listen to any other view other than your own in this matter apparently.

I do not shove my thoughts down your throat, I just tell you what the Bible says. You are responsible for what you do with that information, I am not. If you do not like me or what I say, that is fine with me. That is your choice.

Now, if you'd like to get more (and correct) information about what the Bible wants for us and from us, I would be glad to talk to you in a civil manner. But if you are going to throw insults ("the anger I feel is not directed towards God, it is against people like you, God's self-anointed messengers"), I will not respond to that type of ignorance or childish pride. I feel no anger towards you, but neither do I feel compelled to argue the point against someone who will not at least try to understand what the other is saying.

#188 | Posted by Pastor at 2009-07-14 11:20 AM | Reply | Flag: plays with imaginary friends

Jesus is a myth for idiots.

" I just tell you what the Bible says. "

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

Bunch of fairy tales assembled for political ends.

"Religion is all bunk."
~Thomas Edison

ZATOICHI ... you quote Thomas Edison as if he were the light of intelligence. I knew a man once who said that life is all imaginary and we are really nothing in reality. Should I believe him and think that you and I are just imaginary?

You believe what you choose. I will pray that your heart is changed. I am not being factitious, I am being truthful ... I choose to care enough about your soul to pray for you. You may hate that, too, but I will still do it.

But I do not care enough about you as a person to argue the point with you. And I do ask one favor. When you respond to me, please respond as an adult, and not with your normal Nyah, Nyah, Nyah, NYAH, Nyah adolescent tones.

Silver_Ironist .... I agree, we should be honest. The anger you feel is not towards God, nor is it against those like me who share God's word.

The anger you feel is towards anyone who tells you something that makes you feel guilty way down deep inside. You do not know how to cope with that, so you lash out in negative hatred. But it isn't the people who you hate, it is the message they give you. The message you try so hard to reject, but can't.

The end result is you spew hate on those who you disagree with all because you do not know that much about what you talk against. You attack me, I respond. And then you respond back with even more negativity. But one thing you will notice in your postings .... there is a lot of anger, but very little thought out conclusions.

Pastor - you seem like a thoughtful fellow. Perhaps you can address something that's always troubled me. Many Christians preach, or at least Catholics preach, that all you have to do to go to Heaven is accept Jesus Christ as your savior (or something like that), right?

That means that a child rapist can repent, accept Jesus, and go on up to Heaven, right? But someone else, say, a Buddhist, who lives his whole life doing nothing but good deeds for others, but who does not believe in Christ, he doesn't go to Heaven, right?

If the above is generally accurate, does that trouble you? Does it make sense to you? Is it perfect? If you were designing the system, is that how you would design it?

Monte

According to scripture, it is faith, not belief, that is the requirement for a Christian. Faith is action based upon belief, and it would seem from the texts that God would not be fooled by a false conversion.

The texts also say that the price was paid for the whole "field", the whole world, that all might be rescued.

Anyone who tells you what ultimately happens to your Buddhist is overstepping their pay grade.

Thanks Corky. I have two responses. One, you are assuming the child rapist is not sincere in his "conversion." What if that is not the case? Heaven, right? And two, in other words, the Buddhist may indeed be barred for Heaven. There is nothing in the Bible that says otherwise, right?

-Heaven, right?

Above my pay grade. I don't know a person's heart.

-There is nothing in the Bible that says otherwise, right?

There is nothing in the Bible about a lot of things, but there are fundie churches that don't have instrumental music in church because they don't find it in the NT, lol.

Paul wrote this: "For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers." Timothy 4:10

I appreciate your question, Montecore. Let me explain the best I can.

In the book of James, it says that faith without works is dead. It is not the act of doing good things that gets us to heaven. It is why we feel compelled to do good things - and that is because of our faith in Jesus, who was all about doing good things for others. The "act" of doing good things remains constant, but it is the motivation as to "why we do good works: that makes the difference.

The Bible says that anyone who sins has the chance for repentance and forgiveness. Repentance means that we feel sorry that we have sinned (put other things above God as a priority in our lives), and then we ask God to forgive us and help us to not do it anymore.

But then the responsibility is put on our shoulders to really try and change. We don't always succeed, and when we don't, we keep going to God with a sorrowful heart and asking Him to forgive us again and to keep helping us. It is a hard job at times, but like any good job, payday will make it all worthwhile.

So whether it be a Buddhist, or an Atheist, or anybody else - it is good to do good things, but those good things by themselves will do nothing to get us to heaven. It is the "why" we do good things that gets us to heaven. And that is because we have received Jesus as our Savior and you now have a desire to do good things for others because we now love others because Jesus loves us.

I know that even as a pastor, I sometimes do not do a good job of explaining what I feel. I hope that even though I don't explain things well sometimes, that you see what I am trying to say. If not, please let me know and I will try to say it a little better.

CORKY, you said, "According to scripture, it is faith, not belief, that is the requirement for a Christian. Faith is action based upon belief"

You said it much better than I tried to say it.

Yet we say we cannot believe in something we cannot understand or see. I say we do it everyday.

We have faith that tomorrow, a bird will fly in China. We don't have to see it to believe it. We don't have to understand to believe it. We just know that we know that we know.

That is the kind of faith and belief in Jesus we need in order to receive Him. And we need to receive Him before we can enter into the glory of God's heaven.

You should come preach in my church! You have that understanding.

Corky - I gave you what's in the heart. Assuming it is accurate, Heaven. That troubles me.

Pastor says:
"So whether it be a Buddhist, or an Atheist, or anybody else - it is good to do good things, but those good things by themselves will do nothing to get us to heaven. It is the "why" we do good things that gets us to heaven. And that is because we have received Jesus as our Savior and you now have a desire to do good things for others because we now love others because Jesus loves us."

According to Corky, above your pay grade.

I appreciate both of your responses. Unfortunately, however, I am certain that something that has bothered me since my teenage years will not be solved here on the Retort today.

Best, mOntecOre

I agree, Montecore. My suggestion is to start going to God and asking Him to explain it to you. If you try to get closer to Him, He promises to get closer to you. And if you keep praying for an answer, He will give it to you. How do I know? Because I have experienced His doing that with me when I have gone to Him with requests for understanding.

Let me give one quick analogy. In high school, I was suspended for a week because I did not agree with the school's policy of attending boring classes. In other words, I skipped some classes. I was suspended because it wasn't up to me to pick and choose which rules I wanted to follow. It was my duty to follow all of the rules if I wanted to stay in school.

As a Christian, I do not have the freedom of picking and choosing which of God's rules I want to follow, either. It is my duty to follow all of them as closely as I can. And it is not God who sends people to hell, but people send themselves to hell all because they choose to either ignore some of God's rules, or they think they can follow their own rules and get away with it. And when these choices produce bad consequence, we lay the blame at God's feet instead of our own feet.

Everyone can truly go before God and ask forgiveness. The child rapist can do it as well as the Buddhist, as well as the Atheist. EVERONE HAS THAT OPPORTUNITY. Sadly, most will not take it, and no matter who they are, or what they have done, if they choose to reject true repentance before God, and refuse to receive Jesus as the Son of God, they go to hell.

But, again, it isn't God who sends them. They send themselves because they refuse to accept God's standards. Kind of like I ask you to come to my home for dinner. And I ask you to be sure you wear shoes. But if you show up at my home without shoes on and say you just didn't agree that you needed to wear them, I will not let you into my home.

If we go before God and tell Him that we chose to not follow His rules, He will not let us into His home either.

" if they choose to reject true repentance before God, and refuse to receive Jesus as the Son of God, they go to hell."

And if they live an good and just life, yet have never even heard of Jesus? What fate awaits them?

"As a Christian, I do not have the freedom of picking and choosing which of God's rules I want to follow, either."

Then you must be the only one, because I see a lot of so-called "Christians" doing unto others what they would never want done unto them.

...And pointing to the Bible for justification.

Not sure why that didn't make the initial post. Operator error, no doubt.

And if they live an good and just life, yet have never even heard of Jesus? What fate awaits them?

They get their asses fucked up in the afterlife.

Actually, during my freshman year in high-school, a very reactionary preist explained that it's ones actions in life, how they live, that determines whether or not they enter the pearly gates.

#206 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-07-14 01:19 PM |

A born again friend told me the same thing. He told me a man who spoke of Jesus daily could be denied Heaven based on their actions while a man who Jesus could gain admission based on the same thing.

a man who denied Jesus. Damn missing words...

#204 | Posted by Danforth

One of my all-time favorite quotes was from Ghandi (I learned about it from the reactionary preist I mentioned earlier):

"Christ I like. Christians I don't like because they are not like Christ."

Sums it up perfectly.

"Sums it up perfectly."

Here's my fave:

We don't know if Christianity really works; no one's ever really tried it.

2nd really shouldn't be there. Really.

Same concept, and slightly more succinct.

I may start using that one.

Jeff, according to the Bible, the priest was wrong, as the Bible clearly states that is is one's belief in Jesus, not their actions, that get them into heaven.

And yes, if we make the wrong choices, we will get the worst consequences. In Matthew 10:32,33 it tells us that whoever acknowledges Christ before others will be acknowledged by Christ to the Father. But those who refuse to acknowledge Christ will not be acknowledged to the Father.

Staying in Matthew, we find a couple of other interesting points. It says that the kingdom of heaven is made up with "such as these." That refers to the children who have not yet reached the age of accountability. Until they do, they are covered by God's unsurpassed love.

It also gives a point that people have an ingrained knowledge of God alread in their hearts. If they choose to live according ot it, they will be saved. If they choose to live by their own standards, they will not be saved.

Just remember that the Bible does not say that if you UNDERSTAND you will be saved. It merely says that if you BELIEVE you will be saved.

The book you quote saying "Only through the Son does one reach the Father" is a biased source selling that exact faith. Using the Bible to prove the Bible is like defining a word with that word.

It also says, staying in Matthew, that the most holy man is the one you don't see praying and that those who put on a show of their faith are worshippers of man, not G-d.

Palin is nothing more than a Red Herring.

In case you didn't get enough Michael Jackson and infidelity.

Pay no attention to the cap and trade fleasing.

now back to your urgent god talk...

One thing stands out more than anything else in these last few posts. And that is this: Many of you have negative feelings about the Bible, God, and Jesus - all because some "Christians" have done or said wrong things. May I clear this up really quick?

Christians are like any other people ... we screw up just as often. Many Christians are so focused on what THEY believe, they have forgotten what God KNOWS! And then when they talk, they speak with no knowledge but with just their feeble emotions.

Forget what other "Christians" have said or done to make you shy away from Christianity! If you have a question, do what MONTECORE has done, and find somebody you think you can trust to give you the truth. Go find the answers to your questions by asking for answers. Question others when they say something or do something you think is wrong.

I tell people in my church to not follow me, but to go to the Bible and check out what i say. If they see an inconsistency, let me know!!! But don' trust me to know and be the perfect Godly man - because I am not!

FORGET what you've seen that is wrong .... and just try to focus in on, and ask God to let you know, what is right.

I base it on the Bible Pastor. Unlike most who claim to follow your faith, I have actually read the Bible...more than once. I felt it was important when discussing it with the religious for one of us to know what it says. There are some good themes in the Bible, but it was written by man, not G-d, and, as such, is as flawed as man is.

Kanrei, the Bible is God's standards. He wrote them many years before we were born. If we want to go to His home (heaven) then it is our duty to try and meet His standards. He has no obligation to meet our individual standards.

So, yes, the Bible is used to declare His desires and rules. It does not matter if we agree, understand, accept, or refuse it - the Bible is God's standards. All we are compelled to do is try and follow them.

It is fairly clear that you have not studied the Bible and have no great knowledge of it says or what it means. I am not putting you down, I am stating what appears obvious. If you are serious about finding out what is true and what is not true, I would suggest you start with simply praying.

Praying is not this elaborate thing worked up by the high and mighty religionists of the day. Prayer is simply letting God know what is in your mind and heart and asking for His help in letting you know the truth. And do not pray in the King James' English! God knows you the way you are. Pray like you are talking to a friend sitting beside you, or a teacher who wants to help you. That is how you pray. From your heart to his.

He is more of an expert on what He wants than any of us are. And it is not the things you do to impress others ... it is the things you do because you are serious about God. Those who do things in public are trying to show how religious they are. Those who do things in private are trying to get closer to God. But those who try to get closer to God will automatically do things in public to show good.

Now, I have to get going. Have a nice day and I hope I said something that helped somebody in some way.

Kanrei, the Bible is God's standards.

No, the King James version is King James' standards. If the Bible were honestly based on G-d's standards, we would only need one version.

Tell me this, what is the second commandment? If it is based on G-d's standards, then the second should be the same for all faiths in all Bibles, correct? Why do Catholics have a different one than Jews and other Christians?

It is fairly clear that you have not studied the Bible and have no great knowledge of it says or what it means. I am not putting you down, I am stating what appears obvious.

Funny...I was thinking the same of you.

I do so love how those who say there is only one way to G-d label those of us who say there are many ways as not being open minded.

"the Bible clearly states that is is one's belief in Jesus, not their actions, that get them into heaven."

So, again, if someone lives a good and just life, yet has never even heard of Jesus, what is their eternal fate?

"- the Bible is God's standards."

Including the story of a drunken Lot incestuously impregnating his two daughters?

Dan,
Pastor's attitude is how the faithful can justify raping children while remaining holy, yet can condemn others to Hell for simply not saying "praise Jesus." Belief trumps action.

"Tell me this, what is the second commandment? "

I could be wrong, but I think it's something about owning guns.

"Belief trumps action."

Or, more specifically, my belief trumps your action.

What I find so ironic to me is that I follow the faith Jesus did and died under, yet his followers say I am going to Hell for following the wrong faith. If I am wrong, so was Jesus.

"...the Bible is God's standards. He wrote them many years before we were born.'

And ZombieHunter's kennel adds another member.

And ZombieHunter's kennel adds another member.

That's the nice thing about that gig... the kennel never fills up, but your checking account sure does.

Pastor - when you get back, please tell me why babies and children who die before, say, age 3, have to go to Hell. Seems kind of harsh.

Kanrei and others .... you espouse your beliefs and sanctimoniously pat yourselves on the back in a self-prideful way. I espouse my beliefs and you do your best to crucify me and make me look like an idiot.

Do any of you seriously think that only you have the right answers? Do any of you have the basic intelligence quotas to think that maybe - just maybe - it could be you rather than me that is wrong?

All of you that are telling me what the Bible says, know nothing of what it means. I will not be able to change your hardened minds, and I will not try. But I do say his .... be very careful what you say negative about the Lord, as it will come back to haunt you - even if you don't think it will.

Kanrei, we have many versions of the Bible because man decided he needed it written other ways. If you want a correct version of the Word, purchase a Hebrew Bible (Book of the Law). But you don't really want that, do you? What you want is cute little talking points that make your negative comments seem intelligent. In truth, you do NOT understand what the Bible means or you would not be making such irresponsible and foolish comments about it.

And you prove your idiocy by claiming we justify the actions of a rapist while condemning those who do praise in Jesus name. What absolute trash and stupidity! A rapist can come to salvation by truly repenting for his deeds, but he will still pay a price for his actions. It will not, however, be being sent to hell. But a "Christian" who damns others Christians because they don't do the things the way he does just might pay that ultimate price.

Jesus commands us to love our enemies enough to pray for their souls. Yet we too often condemn others because we think we are the only ones who have it right. I know that I am nothing with Christ. I know that I am ill-qualified to be a true and just representative of God. But I also know that His Word (the Bible) is His Word - not man's word. It was written under the leading of the Holy Spirit, not by man's thoughts.

And I follow the Bible. If you don't, that is your choice. But before you choose to deny the Bible for what it is, it would be better for you to at least understand it and not just rely on the fact that you may have "read it". So reply if you choose, but rather than just throw stupid and negative comments out that demean others characters, it would really be better for you to really know and understand what you are saying - because you will be held accountable for every word you say to and about others.

This is so self-reflective that I hope Pastor read it and not only wrote it.

you espouse your beliefs and sanctimoniously pat yourselves on the back in a self-prideful way. I espouse my beliefs and you do your best to crucify me and make me look like an idiot.

Do any of you seriously think that only you have the right answers?

Allow me to repeat just for Pastor:

I do so love how those who say there is only one way to G-d label those of us who say there are many ways as not being open minded.

"...the Bible is God's standards. He wrote them many years before we were born. If we want to go to His home (heaven) then it is our duty to try and meet His standards. He has no obligation to meet our individual standards."

ff

perhaps the word is merely tinnitus?

Montecore .... children who die before they reach the age of accountability (understanding) do no go go hell - - - they go to heaven.

Read Matthew - Jesus told the disciples to let the little children come to Him. He goes on to say that heaven is made up of those like these little children. Pure and innocent. So, you only go to hell when you are aware that you need to be Godly, yet choose to not receive that which makes you Godly. It is a choice by a rebellious person that sends that person to hell, not God.

Danforth, I thought you were more reasonable! But you are starting to fall down to the level of Kanrei and others. Choosing to make cute little comments out of anger and frustration than asking questions about what you don't understand like Montecore did.

You should read Matthew sometime:

7:1 "Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. 3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when there is the log in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

" .... children who die before they reach the age of accountability (understanding) do no go go hell - - - they go to heaven."

but which one? St Paul is on record for mentioning 3 or 4, then in Nag Hammadi Library another 6 or 7 show up...

And Kanrei .... you are doing nothing but shooting the messenger. I did not say there was only one way to God. Jesus did.

Of course, you don't really believe the Bible is the truth of God, and therefore, I don't suspect you really believe in God as He is described in the Bible, so I doubt if you'd believe anything except what you have personally made up as your own belief system.

Don't try to argue about things you know thing about.

Do any of you seriously think that only you have the right answers? Do any of you have the basic intelligence quotas to think that maybe - just maybe - it could be you rather than me that is wrong?

#231 | Posted by Pastor

Excuse me for interrupting, but are you not doing exactly the same thing, albeit in an arguably more genteel manner?

You claim your answers are the correct ones, and that you know what the Bible means, when in reality you have BELIEFS about those things, just as the other posters (including me) do.

"Danforth, I thought you were more reasonable! But you are starting to fall down to the level of Kanrei and others. Choosing to make cute little comments out of anger and frustration than asking questions about what you don't understand like Montecore did."

I posted a valid question twice and you've refused to answer it. But thanks, you've just shown me the way to get your attention.

"I also know that His Word (the Bible) is His Word - not man's word. It was written under the leading of the Holy Spirit, not by man's thoughts"

Then why did the HS write it with the limited scientific knowledge of the time? Surely the Holy Spirit knew about anaphylactic shock, and that the moon was only a reflector of light, not an actual light.

so I doubt if you'd believe anything except what you have personally made up as your own belief system.

Follow your own advise and "Don't try to argue about things you know thing about."

Since Jesus is the only begotten, folks ~ anyone who doesn't get the truth goes straight to the fires ~ folks!

Hence a Fire sale!

Kanrei, read your post #135. That is the one where you tried to use Scripture to tell me I was wrong. I was not judging you. I was telling you the truth about God's word, not the truth about what we make up and believe.

You chose the wrong Scripture! You should have quoted MATTHEW 23:33, when Jesus called them a brood of vipers and asked them how they expected to escape hell.

It is always better to have knowledge about what we are talking about rather than just trying to show off. One shows seriousness on our parts, and the other shows childishness.

More Matthew for Pastor:

And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

You wear your faith on your sleeve Pastor, not me.

"But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you".

& listen to God's true word, Pastor ~ tinnitus:>)

Post #135 isn't me. You can't even read a thread and we should expect you to understand what you read in the Bible?

They do need to update Matthew to cover this place:

And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners AND on the Retort to be seen by men.

"Danforth, I thought you were more reasonable! But you are starting to fall down to the level of Kanrei and others. Choosing to make cute little comments out of anger and frustration than asking questions about what you don't understand like Montecore did."

Danforth's post #222 has a very valid point. It was a big thorn in the side of the Catholic Church and a big reason for the "existence" of Purgatory. And why the CC now states that such people will get into heaven (yeah, after a short wait).

"And why the CC now states that such people will get into heaven (yeah, after a short wait)."

As Cosmic sailors in limbo?

"I was telling you the truth about God's word, not the truth about what we make up and believe." - Pastor

The problem with the approach that you present is that there are very many extremely intelligent people who are very versed in the Bible who disagree with you. Which makes your statement about telling the "truth" very absurd.

"As Cosmic sailors in limbo?"

They do the rhumba, not the limbo. Then the tango, then the waltz, the fast step, swing. When they sit down to rest, voila, they find themselves in heaven.

The problem with the approach that you present is that there are very many extremely intelligent people who are very versed in the Bible who disagree with you.

No, he dismissed those people by saying they didn't read it. Funny thing is, he is the only one doing personal attacks here. We question his faith and he attacks us.

I am not attacking you, Kanrei. I am saying that your posts are not consistent with any belief of the Bible, mine or other beliefs.

I am also not judging you, but your understanding of what you say you have read. It is obvious that most of you who are disagreeing with the Bible (or with what I have to say about it) do not know the meaning of is words. Again, not a put down, but an observation.

I am saying that your posts are not consistent with any belief of the Bible, mine or other beliefs

And that is wrong. It is not consistent with YOUR belief, but, as this thread shows as example, it is with other's beliefs.

I owe Grendel a big apology. Everything I wrongly accused him of displaying, you have shown in spades. I am offically retired from this thread now.

Kanrei, show me when I have ever prayed on the retort! When one prays, one should pray directly from his or her heart to God's heart, not so others will see them and think they are righteous, but because they are just talking to their Lord.

We can pray in public or private, but again - it boils down to the motivation of why we pray. Is it give us glory, or to give God glory? I wasn't praying .... I was suggesting that there might be a need to pray for understanding and knowledge. You can do that in public or in private. As long as your motivation is true and not for self-glory.

See, once again, it comes down to understanding what you read.

It is obvious that most of you who are disagreeing with the Bible (or with what I have to say about it) do not know the meaning of is words. Again, not a put down, but an observation.

#253 | Posted by Pastor

That is not an observation. That is a judgment.

"I have the correct answer and you do not."

" It is obvious that most of you who are disagreeing with the Bible (or with what I have to say about it) do not know the meaning of is words."

Then you tell me the meaning of the following words:

One
Two
Light

"It is obvious that most of you who are disagreeing with the Bible (or with what I have to say about it) do not know the meaning of is words." - Pastor

No, it is not "obvious". Quite the contrary. And more like hubris. I know people who have spent their lives studying the Bible, who have read it in its various languages, who have studied the times of the Bible and know them intimately, who would tell you, unequivocally, that you have no clue.

Ironically, people like Pastor have a built in "catch all" for their faith and the more we disagree, the more he will pretend he is being attacked and the more offensive he will get to provoke attack. Once attacked, he will then play the martyr card and claim persecution for his beliefs and feel this persecution proves his beliefs right to him.

Ailtd .... please be careful when you shake or tilt your head. I am afraid that small pieces of misinformation might start falling out of your ears.

Seriously, you should not talk about things (the Bible, etc) unless you first have some kind of an idea of what it is and what it means. You don't make a lot of sense, in all honesty.

"So, you only go to hell when you are aware that you need to be Godly, yet choose to not receive that which makes you Godly. It is a choice by a rebellious person that sends that person to hell, not God.

#235 | Posted by Pastor"

What is the approximate age? Do nonbeliever 8 year olds go to Hell? 12 year olds? 16? What's the age of eligibility for an eternity of fire and brimstone?

#261 | Posted by Pastor

Seriously, Pastor, does your hubris have any limit?

"does your hubris have any limit?"

Apparently not.

"We succeeded in taking that picture [from deep space], and, if you look at it, you see a dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever lived, lived out their lives. The aggregate of all our joys and sufferings, thousands of confident religions, ideologies and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilizations, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every hopeful child, every mother and father, every inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every superstar, every supreme leader, every saint and sinner in the history of our species, lived there on a mote of dust, suspended in a sunbeam.

The earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that in glory and in triumph they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of the dot on scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner of the dot. How frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity -- in all this vastness -- there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves. It is up to us. It's been said that astronomy is a humbling, and I might add, a character-building experience. To my mind, there is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly and compassionately with one another and to preserve and cherish that pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known."
~Carl Sagan

#264 | Posted by Zatoichi

You've limited my hubris. I don't think you've put a dent in his.

now that Sagan has pasted on ~ he's been trying to tell Data that he's wrong about a few things...but Data can't hear him thru the bourbon, I guess

What is the approximate age? Do nonbeliever 8 year olds go to Hell? 12 year olds? 16? What's the age of eligibility for an eternity of fire and brimstone?

#262 | Posted by mOntecOre

Justice is more reincarnation here?

Sagan was not a believer in God. You quote him. I quote God. I do not believe in what Sagan says any more than you believe in what God says.

By the way, I thought you were gone?

Bani, read the Bible. The age of accountability differs with the person involved. You may have understood algebra in the 9th grade, while your friend may not have understood it until he or she was in 10th grade.

That is how it is with the Word of God. Some understand very early on, while others understand after a longer period. Your inability to understand this shows your overall lack of understanding of what God is telling us in the Bible.

Again, this is not a put down to you. Until a person has the chance to actually get in and do some studying, it would be virtually impossible to have an in-depth understanding - no matter what the subject.

"I quote God."

The same God who didn't know the moon wasn't a light?

The Moon is still a light...only G-d hasn't paid the bill in a really, really long time.

Again, this is not a put down to you.

#269 | Posted by Pastor

Bull.

"Only I have the capacity to understand and know the heart and mind of God. Any other opinions are flawed and wrong-headed." - Pastor

"It is obvious that most of you who are disagreeing with the Bible (or with what I have to say about it) do not know the meaning of is words. Again, not a put down, but an observation."

neither do you according to Wikipedia (satan's bible?)

First Council of Nicaea

Date 325 AD

The First Council of Nicaea was a council of Christian bishops convened in Nicaea in Bithynia (present-day İznik in Turkey) by the Roman Emperor Constantine I in AD 325. The Council was historically significant as the first effort to attain consensus in the church through an assembly representing all of Christendom

"Bani, read the Bible"

I recommend reading/hearing on the true word ~ tinnitus over any man made document w/0 earwax buildup, though:>)

"Some understand very early on, while others understand after a longer period." - Pastor

And some, like Pastor, don't ever understand it but just make outlandish claims about doing so. I seriously doubt that anyone, aside from the militant atheists, have a problem with you believing whatever you believe. I do know others share my sentiment that all you have devolved into is a purveyor of extravagant hubris.

"And now the cousin from the lower side of town chimes in"-Pastor

"Everyone else sees you for who you really are ... a very lonely, unhappy, frustrated person who cannot form a cohesive thought no matter how hard you try"-Pastor

"And now we have ZATOICHI weighing in with his total inability to debate with any logical thought! I wondered when he would try to throw in his senseless and inferior thoughts"-Pastor

"Oh, fine! Now we are apparently experiencing the childish debacle of Letusprey as he tries to show his non-existent intelligence."-Pastor

"It is fairly clear that you have not studied the Bible and have no great knowledge of it says or what it means"-Pastor

"Do any of you have the basic intelligence quotas..."-Pastor

"And you prove your idiocy..."-Pastor

"Ailtd .... please be careful when you shake or tilt your head. I am afraid that small pieces of misinformation might start falling out of your ears."-Pastor

I wouldn't call your witnessing style Christ-like. But then again you aren't being judgmental are you Pastor, you're simply gracing us with your insightful observations, aren't you?

If heaven is filled with folks like you sir, well then to Hell with me!

Pastor has revealed his true nature as a fundamentalist ideologue who believes that he alone knows truth and automatically dismisses any dissenting opinions.

We know who and what your are, sir. So stop pretending to be some bastion of reason and civility. You have proved yourself neither.

We know who and what your are, sir. So stop pretending to be some bastion of reason and civility. You have proved yourself neither.

Seems to fit a lot of posters on the DR Sandie why single out just one?

Seems to fit a lot of posters on the DR Sandie why single out just one?

#278 | Posted by Gimme_a_Scotch

Because most of the regular posters here are clear and honest about who they are and what they believe - whether others agree with them or not.

This guy is a poser of the worst kind.

Sanantoniorogue ... please do not show your stupidity by misquoting me. You quoted me as saying .... "Only I have the capacity to understand and know the heart and mind of God. Any other opinions are flawed and wrong-headed."

I have never said nor thought that. What I did say is that , according to the Bible, which I believe in, there is only one way back to God and that is through Jesus. If you want to crucify someone for saying something you do not agree with or understand, crucify God, for He is the One who said that. I just repeated it.

Get your facts straight or just be quiet, will you?

Sanantoniorogue .... when confronted with your own criticism against me, saying it fit many posters on here, you fell back on the reasoning that it was okay for you to do it because you were honest about who you were and what you felt.

Are you to blind to realize that I also feel I am honest and standing up for what I believe in? Unlike you, I do not claim to have all the right answers, but I do know what the Bible says because I have spent years upon years studying it .... with those who know much more than I do. You haven't taken the time to do that. You have just taken the time to condemn it.

Again, you and those like you who enjoy irritating other people with your so-called knowledge about God - - those of you who hate God and mock Him, well ... leave me alone you brood of vipers! I am much too busy to contend with the likes of you. However, if you would truly like to discuss our differences like adults instead of potty-mouthed children, I would enjoy that very much.

"Unlike you, I do not claim to have all the right answers, but I do know what the Bible says because I have spent years upon years studying it ...."

I've never claimed to have all the right answers so you'll need to abandon that particular straw man.

And many, many Biblical scholars who have likely spent as many, or more years studying it disagree with you. So your claim that you "know" what the Bible says is probably false. You "believe" certain things about the Bible based on your reading and study. That, in and of itself, does not make those beliefs true.

"...those of you who hate God and mock Him,"

I do not hate God, nor do I mock God. I am a Christian and have been all my life. Do not mistake mocking the self-righteous who claim they and they alone know the heart and mind of God with mocking God.

I'll leave you with one of my favorite sayings... I believe the greatest sin of all is allowing your limited and human understanding of God to BECOME God.

Sanantoniorogue ...

you slandered me by falsely accusing me of saying: "Only I have the capacity to understand and know the heart and mind of God. Any other opinions are flawed and wrong-headed."

You again slander me when you lied by saying I said, ,i>"I have the correct answer and you do not."

Yet you stand proudly and condemn me for my attitude and say about yourself .... "I am a Christian and have been all my life. Do not mistake mocking the self-righteous who claim they and they alone know the heart and mind of God with mocking God."

To inform you ... you might be a Christian, but you attitude is not a Christian attitude - any more than mine has been on here. I get impatient when talking to those who would rather argue a point than to settle it.

When we respond to one another in negative fashion, you can bet you soul that we are mocking God. He hates us to do this and yet many people on this site seems to relish the idea of creating havoc by disparaging other people's character by spreading lies about them like you have by twisting my words and saying I said things I didn't.

I am not always right, but I do see where the Bible is. And I try my best (many times lacking) to follow that Bible.

The truth is not slander, Pastor. You have made those statements many times, though in different words, during the course of this thread.

Has Takeitez been around lately? Is it possible this "pastor" is merely the latest guise of good ol' Tacky?

Is it possible this "pastor" is merely the latest guise of good ol' Tacky?
#285 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

Oh, Keeriest, you mean there's a chance he's morphed beyond his Sandwich Board Man manifestation into some kind of Tacky-NiceVile chimera? Isn't this just the sort of thing Brownback's trying to stop with the legislation he's introduced, e.g. centaurs and the like?

"You have made those statements many times, though in different words, during the course of this thread."-Sanantoniomorgue

I was even kind enough to document a few of those statements for him.(post #276 I believe)

But please Pastor, continue to deny your self-pedestalization...it amuses so.

"Has Takeitez been around lately? Is it possible this "pastor" is merely the latest guise of good ol' Tacky?"

I was thinking the same thing San.

"I get impatient when talking to those who would rather argue a point than to settle it. "

Personally, I'd love to settle a few points.

How about an answer to #222 and #258?

"Is it possible this "pastor" is merely the latest guise of good ol' Tacky?""

Impossible. The Pastor has a brain.

Impossible. The Pastor has a brain.

#290 | Posted by Danforth

Actually if you read closely, its just a lot of rigid dogma with a thin veneer of knowledge covering it.

"Impossible. The Pastor has a brain"

Documentation?

Don't forget the self-righteous bile and prideful mocking Sana. He personifies everything I wrongly accused Grendel of being.

"a lot of rigid dogma with a thin veneer of knowledge covering it"

That's Grendel.
More like Niceville got his meds balanced.

More like Niceville got his meds balanced.
#294 | Posted by Zatoichi

But only after exquisitely extensive experimentation and a nearly calamitous encounter with a burning bush.

"a nearly calamitous encounter with a burning bush"

He must have watched Hendrix setting his guitar on fire at Monterrey and confused that with cunnilingus; She's recovering at Brook Army Burn Center.

"exquisitely extensive experimentation"

Ahh, a Doctor of Alliteration...nice.

Suspect Niceville's still working on Kabalistic decipherment of Jimi's "One reason, I'd like to say, here's for all Americans to really feel proud to be Americans, uh, you know, blah-blah, woof-woof."

Hendrix' Star Spangled Banner will always be in my head.

Here's a "must read" for y'all.

"as you weren't Jewish or black, but I digress."

Another digression: As long as you weren't a Brit or a German paratrooper; they murdered one another after surrender with abandon.

One of the most intriguing WW2 stories I heard was form a German emigre who was in the US Army, interrogating German prisoners in N. Africa. One of the the men sent to him was his own brother.

"Actually if you read closely, its just a lot of rigid dogma with a thin veneer of knowledge covering it."

Which is at least one step ahead of Takeitez.

DANFORTH .... I am not going to argue semantics or split hairs with you, just to make you feel good that you are a smart person. You seem to be intelligent, but that has nothing to do with having common sense.

You come on here and give your opinions. That is fine. But where you and your compadres cross the line is that you refuse to let anyone else do the same - unless they happen to agree with what you think.

I happen to be a Christian who believes the Bible. You do not, or you would understand what it says. For instance, look at the viciousness with which you attack those you personally disagree with, and then explain to me how you substantiate that with 2 Timothy 2:16.

Or, you could read Galatians 5:22, 23 and see if your posts on here could even be distantly associated with ANY of those things listed. I am not saying these things to confront you, even though you will probably take them that way. I am trying to offer something I consider to be extremely important to us all, and yet most of us choose to ignore them.

Am I guilty of doing the same thing? You betcha. And I am just as wrong in doing it as you and your friends are when you do it. And I apologize to you right now for my involvement in the negative warfare that is going on here. I am not making myself to be holier-than-thou, but rather saying I have the same weaknesses you do, and when I catch myself, I try my best to make amends.

Again, I apologize to you and your friends on here that by my trying to stand up for the Lord, it has caused you so much grief or strife. That was not my intent, and I think that down deep you know that to be the truth. I hope you are the type of person who can honestly take a sincere apology without feeling the need to slam, but whatever the case, I would not have given it if I didn't mean it.

A sincere apology usually doesn't include more of what needed to be apologized for.

That is your belief and you are welcome to it.

"I happen to be a Christian who believes the Bible. You do not, or you would understand what it says."

B does not necessarily follow A.

Who wants to give odds on how long "Pastor" is going to last on the Drudge Retort?

I don't want anyone to use the odds as an excuse to dig in their heels.

Speaking of "holier-than-thou", one only has to look as far as Twinpac, Sanantoniorogue, and a few others.

Oh, by having the same type of comeback as you do, did I upset you again? One thing I have noticed ... if someone agrees totally with you, you are fine with them. But if they don't, you do everything you can, in as mean-spirited way as you can, to silence them. My, how impressive.

And, Hagbard-Celine, you are correct, B does not necessarily follow A, but just because somebody says they read a book does not mean they understand it. To understand something, it is necessary to study it to some degree, analyze it, re-study etc. And even then, sometimes we don't fully comprehend.

If I see something that I truly feel is important to others, I try to share it with them. Do you feel as if I shouldn't? And if so, on what basis ... is it based on the fact that you don't want to hear what I am saying, or is it based on a valid, well thought out, and alternative view point on the same subject matter?

Here's a serious question, in a civil tone.

Where in the Bible does Jesus say if I don't believe he is the Messiah I will burn in hell for all eternity?

"And, Hagbard-Celine, you are correct, B does not necessarily follow A, but just because somebody says they read a book does not mean they understand it."

Independent of my feelings, I'm just saying that belief is not absolutely necessary to understanding. A person can understand what the bible says and still choose not to believe, which I think is the point of free will from a biblical perspective.

Well, PASTOR

I just happen to think that you finally graduated from the 12-step program at AA and now you need a soapbox.

Lucky us!

If you look at my seniority level (it's 28). That means I've been around here a very long time and I've seen many, like yourself, come and go. They were all here for one purpose and that was to quote scripture in hopes of showing other posters "The Light" or "The Way" or "The Salvation" according to you.

You see, PASTOR, we've all been baptized by religion in one way or the other. Slipping in your Bible scriptures under the guise of general conversation is about as cellophane as it can be on this site . . . simply because we've seen it all before. Many times, in fact, so you're not as unique as you might see yourself.

Additionally, this is a political blog, not a prayer meeting in your living room.

So . . . how was that for a "valid, well thought out, and alternative view point"?

Speaking of "holier-than-thou", one only has to look as far as ...

#308 | Posted by Pastor

Fails to grasp the irony, I'm sure.

SAN

It's been my experience that the people who preach the loudest are the ones with the most to hide.

We've known a few here, haven't we?

More often than not, trying to run someone else's life is just a way to keep their own face off the bar room floor.

Silver_Ironist ... in regards to your question about needing Jesus to go to heaven, try John 11:25 - John 7:38 - John 6:47-51 - John 6:32-40, and many other references.

All you have to do now is make a decision ... do you think Jesus is the Son of God or not. Your choice. Another decision .. do you believe the Bible is 100% true or not? Again, your choice.

In answer to your post #309, when speaking biblically, 'everlasting life' means spiritual and eternal salvation. The word 'perish' means to be forever without God, or hell, as in the parable of the rich man and the poor man named Lazarus who died and went to Paradise while the rich man stood in hell and begged for a drop of water to be put on his tongue.

In John 3:16, it says that 'whosoever believes shall not perish but have everlasting life.'

Twinpac ... in reference to your post #313 - that is your perception. However, quoting Carl Sagan, the one who didn't believe in God, "He who cries the loudest sometimes cares the most."

And for the record, I am not trying to run your life. I am not even trying to force you to believe what I believe. But if you make a comment about something I say .... which you have, you should expect some type of retort, should you not? If you don't like what I say - tune it out. Your freedom of choice.

Now, to all - - rather than try and bait me or go out of your way to antagonize, let me say this: If you have legitimate questions about what the Bible says and how it pertains to you personally, please feel free to ask. But to throw baited questions and remarks out just for the sake of doing it, please don't expect any more comments from me. I came on here to read and take part in the discussion at hand - not to defend my beliefs against you, or to argue against you.

Pastor is the Energizer Preacher: he keeps babbling and babbling and babbling...

Kanrei, you just proved my point ... you always have to say something, even if it makes no sense. I do not wish to banter back and forth, so why do you feel this overwhelming need inside you to always make comments like these?

so why do you feel this overwhelming need inside you to always make comments like these?

Because I am bored at work, trolling, and you keep biting.

Oh and if you do not wish to banter back and forth, why do you keep answering?

Point taken ... but who does that show as the biggest idiot - you or me? (Probably both in all truthfulness)

Get busy and earn your pay. You'll be much more at ease if I am not on your mind! :-)

KANREI

Right out of Central Casting, too.

Can you believe we've got ourselves another one.

"I am not going to argue semantics or split hairs with you"

Who's arguing semantics? I'd just like a few answers. If you can't answer the questions, fine, just admit it.

"You seem to be intelligent, but that has nothing to do with having common sense."

And you seem to be rather free with your insults.

"where you and your compadres cross the line is that you refuse to let anyone else do the same - unless they happen to agree with what you think."

Bullshit. I've never refused you your opinion. But like everyone else here, you're called on to defend it. If you don't know the difference, or can't tell the difference, this probably isn't the place for you.

"I happen to be a Christian who believes the Bible. You do not, or you would understand what it says."

With all due respect, you have no idea of my understanding of the Bible, or what I learned in my thousands of formal religion classes. And the last time you leveled that charge at me, you apologized. Since you did it again, I'm now doubting the sincerity of the original apology.

"For instance, look at the viciousness with which you attack those you personally disagree with"

Um, check your own posts and get back to me when you get that pole out of your eye, and then show me where I've personally attacked you.

"and then explain to me how you substantiate that with 2 Timothy 2:16."

Probably the same way you do.

"Or, you could read Galatians 5:22, 23..."

Let's stick with the parts I brought up first.

"Am I guilty of doing the same thing? You betcha."

Then why take others to task for what you're doing as well? Aren't you supposed to correct your problem first, before discussing your brother's problem with him?

"Again, I apologize to you and your friends on here that by my trying to stand up for the Lord, it has caused you so much grief or strife."

For me, the grief & strife arose because you've refused to give me direct answers to my direct questions. Are you ready now?

DANFORTH .....

Men were asking Jesus for a sign that what he was saying was the truth. He replied by saying they wouldn't believe in the sign even if He gave one. (He was the sign, and he was in front of them - but they could not see or understand.)

You ask for an explanation, but if I gave one to you, you would just argue the point with me. I have already given the answer and you still demand I answer you.

You will remember it much longer if you look it up yourself at this point. All you have to do is be willing to spend a little time reading it for yourself, and then spend some time trying to analyze and figure out what you read. But I defer back to the main line of retreat as seen on this thread .... it is your choice to do so - or not to do so.

"You ask for an explanation, but if I gave one to you, you would just argue the point with me."

Try me, before passing judgement. Since you posted the phrase "do not know the meaning of (it's) words" I'd like you to tell me the meaning of the words one, two and light.

"You will remember it much longer if you look it up yourself at this point. All you have to do is be willing to spend a little time reading it for yourself"

Did you miss my last post? I've spent a lot of time, literally thousands and thousands of hours, and attended thousands of religion classes. What I'm wondering about is YOUR answer.

"then spend some time trying to analyze and figure out what you read"

I did, but I seem stuck with my outdated definitions of 'one', 'two' and 'light'. Help me out here. And while you're helping, answer #222 as well.

DANFORTH .... I have already answered ... now rather than keep getting bent out of shape waiting for me to answer again, why don't you go find the answer? I gave it, but you still do not see it.

I cannot say you are telling me an untruth, but I can say that I personally doubt you took "thousands of religious classes" as you claim to have taken, and I cannot help but wonder how many "real hours" were spent in any religion classes. If so, just what is it you learned in them?

Oh, by the way .... it isn't about a "religion." It is, however, all about a "relationship. Did they teach you that in your classes?

"I gave it, but you still do not see it."

Your answer wasn't an answer, it was a 'read more until you see it the way I see it' remark. If you want to answer directly, okay. If you want to continue to tap dance...well, as you put it, it is your choice.

"I cannot say you are telling me an untruth, but I can say that I personally doubt you took "thousands of religious classes" as you claim to have taken"

Why do you keep digging these holes for yourself? I went to Parochial grade school, and private prep high school, with daily religion classes, and religious services 6 days a week. What bona fides do you bring to the table?

"If so, just what is it you learned in them?"

To have a healthy dose of skepticism, especially where folks who won't answer direct questions are involved.

Dan - you're arguing with an ideologue who thinks he already knows all the answers, and that anyone who believes differently than he does is ignorant and/or uneducated. He has his victimhood and martyrdom act down to a "T".

He has created his image of God and cemented it by convincing himself he "knows" what the Bible says, and no one else does. He is no longer open to searching, questioning, or learning.

"you're arguing with an ideologue who thinks he already knows all the answers"

Hell, I'd just like a few.

To have a healthy dose of skepticism, especially where folks who won't answer direct questions are involved

How can anybody do that Dansforth when with you answers to your questions are always deflections, tap-dancing and goalpost moving?

Speaking of tap-dancing don't you have a tap-dancing class to go to?

"How can anybody do that Dansforth when with you answers to your questions are always deflections, tap-dancing and goalpost moving?"

Feel free to point out where.

In the meantime, have a swing at the questions at hand.

DANFORTH .... you accused me of not answering your questions even though I did. Why don't you answer mine now? Which classes did you take specifically? Where did you take them? What did you learn from them?

Also, you alluded to the fact that you knew many scholars who would disagree with what I believe. Which scholars are they? Or is this all a magnificent bluff you came up with to show yourself as "in the know?'

Sanantoniorogue .... I do not claim to know it all. To be honest, I don't even claim to know most of it! But, I feel just as you do ... I know enough to think I am closer to right than I am wrong, biblically speaking. And you feel the same way about how you feel about things.

What I don't understand is why you feel this overpowering need to change and twist people's words to fit your own demeaning agenda. Never have I alluded to the fact that I think I know everything, or even more than you. But you turn the words around and repost them saying I think I know everything.

Well, if it makes you feel like some kinda super-hero, go for it. Say whatever you like, and whatever it is that makes you think you are a real man among men. You have that freedom to do that, and I won't interfere with your playtime.

I will retire from this threat since nobody seems inclined to get back to the subject at hand. No, I am not cutting and running, I am just looking for another thread I can enjoy reading subject matters that can keep focused on the subject matter. You kids have fun on here, okay?

"you accused me of not answering your questions even though I did."

Specifically, where? Post the actual direct answer, please.

"Why don't you answer mine now? Which classes did you take specifically? Where did you take them? What did you learn from them?"

You answer my questions first, then I'll be happy to answer yours.

"Also, you alluded to the fact that you knew many scholars who would disagree with what I believe."

No, that was another poster.

Shame on you for lying, Pastor.

Oh, and by the way... Marcus Borg and John Dominic Crossnan, Shelby Spong and William Sloane Coffin, to name a few.

Still stinging, old man?

I will retire from this threat since nobody seems inclined to get back to the subject at hand. No, I am not cutting and running, I am just looking for another thread I can enjoy reading subject matters that can keep focused on the subject matter. You kids have fun on here, okay?

Posted by Pastor

It's a beautiful day out here in Minneapolis...

"White Bird"

"Step right up folks and see the renowned tap-dancing (Danforth)"

Gee, Gimme, I must have pwned you something awful to have burned into your psyche like that. Scared any debating skills you might have had right out of you.

"amazing feats of mendaciousness"

What a whiner.

If you have something to challenge, go ahead. Otherwise, your pop gun is quite amusing, old man.

"I happen to be a Christian who believes the Bible. You do not, or you would understand what it says."

"...who enjoy irritating other people with your so-called knowledge about God

"Your inability to understand this shows your overall lack of understanding of what God is telling us in the Bible."

"Seriously, you should not talk about things (the Bible, etc) unless you first have some kind of an idea of what it is and what it means."

"...I was telling you the truth about God's word, not the truth about what we make up and believe."

"Don't try to argue about things you know thing about."

"All of you that are telling me what the Bible says, know nothing of what it means."

"In truth, you do NOT understand what the Bible means..."

"It is fairly clear that you have not studied the Bible and have no great knowledge of it..."

"That's right folks for an indeterminate time pick a thread any thread and see Dancing Dan perform amazing feats of mendaciousness right here under the DR Big Top. www.drudge.com"

I didn't know he had started dancing. I knew he was an out-of-work actor but DANCING? I hope he hasn't begun wearing a tutu. He's been hoping for a part in "Reachback Ridge," the sequeal to "Brokeback Mountain."

"He's been hoping for a part in "Reachback Ridge," the sequeal to "Brokeback Mountain.""

Gee, lucky us, the Alzheimer's patient has forgotten yet again he's posted that "joke" about 46 times.

Still stinging, old man?

#334 | Posted by Danforth

your pop gun is quite amusing, old man.

#338 | Posted by Danforth

Gee the champion of the little guy, the downtrodden and politically correct agenda resorts to ageism and even occasionally elitism - boy is that a surprise. Dansforth your hypocrisy is always welcome.

"resorts to ageism"

Well, you know what they say: throw a rock at a pack of dogs, the one who yelps is the one who got hit.

"Dansforth your hypocrisy is always welcome."

Point it out, putz. Otherwise your man-crush on me is, once again, nearing creepville.

"Dansforth your hypocrisy is always welcome."

I simply can't understand why he has so much trouble getting a good part. He does such great stand-up comedy here on the DR.

"I simply can't understand why he has so much trouble getting a good part. "

You could have stopped with the first four words.

However, you should see the role I just landed: VERY cool, in a world premiere as part of a National New Play network. I was sent the script, told them I'd get to it in a few days, started reading it, and couldn't put it down. Can't wait to start working on it.

"However, you should see the role I just landed: VERY cool, in a world premiere as part of a National New Play network."

Good, I'm happy for you...seriously. I like success stories.

And now...you can get off welfare and become a capitalist. :-)

"And now...you can get off welfare and become a capitalist."

Been one for a long, long time. Ever open a W-M in your town? Guess who did all the voiceovers? How about GM, Powerball, Toyota, Sprint, Hallmark, or Nike? They've all had me on their spots from time to time, to name a few. The current count is about 150 Equity stage shows, 1000+ AFTRA and SAG radio & TV commercials, about 200-300 industrial and commercial films, and about 300 or so print jobs. It's a start.

Been one for a long, long time. Ever open a W-M in your town? Guess who did all the voiceovers? How about GM, Powerball, Toyota, Sprint, Hallmark, or Nike? They've all had me on their spots from time to time, to name a few. The current count is about 150 Equity stage shows, 1000+ AFTRA and SAG radio & TV commercials, about 200-300 industrial and commercial films, and about 300 or so print jobs. It's a start.

I'm gonna go to IMDB and see how your career stats/possible earnings stacks up against Paris Hilton and Carmen Electra Dan. Or should I be checking it against Pia Zadora's?

"ow your career stats/possible earnings stacks up against Paris Hilton and Carmen Electra Dan. Or should I be checking it against Pia Zadora's?"

Don't bother. I'm merely a work-a-day schlub. (Although my career has certainly lasted longer than Pia's!)

Years ago, I got to spend a day with Paul Newman. I came away with tremendous respect for him, and no desire to EVER become that famous.

Not that there was ever much danger of that.

But in a business where no one works, I seem to work all the time. When it's going smoothly, it's the best job I could imagine. And I've saved well, and been very, very lucky with my investing over the years, including beating the market handily each year for the last 9. The bride & I have been married almost 8 years, and we're about to embark on our 28th vacation together. Life is good.

I noticed you did voiceovers Dan any chance that you're the creep that welcomed himself over when I was drinking a few beers with some friends on a beach in RI put his arm around me and said "I'm a DJ and I want to teach you how to talk like me Gimme come home with me"?

No need to be nasty answering Dan I'm just trying to keep the small talk going so you can promote your faltering career. I'm that kinda guy.

and we're about to embark on our 28th vacation together. Life is good.

#349 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-07-15 04:16 PM | Reply

Don't take this the wrong way, but what possible reason would you have for counting the number of vacations you've taken?
I wouldn't have a clue as to how many I've been on in the past 10 years, and can't imagine how or why that number would be the least bit relevant.
I know it comes across as me being a jerk, but it just seems so odd to know the number of vacations you've taken.

"Don't take this the wrong way, but what possible reason would you have for counting the number of vacations you've taken?"

No kids, so travel is a great passion of ours (we've taken as many as six in a year), and a few months ago, I was curious as to what the total was.

So...curiosity, nothing more. Sorry it's not a bit more dramatic.

"any chance that you're the creep that welcomed himself over when I was drinking a few beers with some friends on a beach in RI put his arm around me and said "I'm a DJ and I want to teach you how to talk like me Gimme come home with me"?"

Never been to RI. Why, are you still pissed at him for stealing your wallet and leaving before you woke up the next morning?

" I'm just trying to keep the small talk going so you can promote your faltering career."

Posts the guy making twelve bucks an hour.

Dan,
Gotcha. I was wondering if there was a scrapbook of vacations, or some other catalogued way for you to have the number handy.
If you ever get a chance, Jerusalem is amazing, even for a non-believer such as me. It's not just that the Israeli chicks have giant tits either!

Didn't happen Dan matta fact I was gonna punch his lights out but Stephen Hawking put me in a headlock Batista couldn't have broken as soon as I started raising my arm. Boy that guy has some fast moves for a scrawny nerd.

"you ever get a chance, Jerusalem is amazing, even for a non-believer such as me."

I'd love it, and the bride is a real fanatic for world religions and philosophy, so Jerusalem would be great. We have a few more ahead on the list, like the Pac NW, Spain, Maine (honeymoon) for our 10th, and back to Tuscany, but I'll be sure to suggest it. Thanks.

Ah more elitism from the champion of the underclassses. I'm not gonna bother going back to check but I'm pretty darn sure I was saying I'm unemployed and would be happy with 12 an hour but go ahead and make fun of it Mr. "Let em eat cake"

Maybe if you spent less time being an asshole on the DR, and more time training yourself and hitting the streets looking for a job, you wouldn't be unemployed, Gimme. Just a thought.

" I was wondering if there was a scrapbook of vacations, or some other catalogued way for you to have the number handy. "

We've had a digital camera almost the whole time, and I'm so damn bad at editing out stuff (my inbox has over 3000 emails) I've got pics from everything in my iPhoto file.

We also play a great game from time to time, writing down the 5 places we've been we'd like to go back, and 5 places we've never been we'd like to see. We compare lists, and when the desires cross, we go; that's what got us to Tuscany, and what'll get us to Spain.

"go ahead and make fun of it Mr. "Let em eat cake""

On the contrary, I'd much rather hear you talk about my "faltering career". Help yourself!

"but Stephen Hawking put me in a headlock"

If you knew it was Stephen Hawking, why did you ask if it was me?

And did you really believe him when he said he was a DJ, or did you think that stood for Disabled Jabberer?

The Digital Camera is a great way to catalogue dates and times...Unless the date is always wrong, like mine, then it just adds a whole different level of confusion. I swear every picture I've ever taken was in March of 2007...At least that's what the pictures always say.

That's something Snapfish hasn't been able to help me out with.

mOntecOre of all people should know what an asshole is but strangely I still like you Monty. Oh and you're right but hey the DR is like a drug but you should know that too

"Unless the date is always wrong, like mine, then it just adds a whole different level of confusion."

LOL. I have a few of those, too....

I think my file starts out with pics taken in (ahem) 1900.

I think my file starts out with pics taken in (ahem) 1900.

Better throw out those shots of the girls showing their ankles Dan you might get busted for pornography