Facts are--no church counts a zygote as a member.
Non-sequitur. The Catholic church doesn't count a Muslim as a "member", but DOES consider a Muslim to be a person. The non-sequitur applies accross the board to your other church comments. For example, the Catholic church commands baptism, however 'personhood' doesn't evaporate for the non-baptized.
The Catholic church counts the children of members as persons, and allows them to be members also. The Catholic Church does not count the fetuses of members as persons and does not allow them to be members. The Catholic Church does not count the fetuses of Muslims to be persons either. As stated. WORDS ONLY. The Catholic Church do not confer any sort of human rights to a fetus.
Link to a government that states that a zygote is a citzen. Otherwise--you are mistaken.
Another non-sequitur. Citizenship and personhood are NOT the same thing. Illegal aliens aren't citizens, but the US government considers them to be persons.
Both personhood and citizenship are conferred at birth in every country on the planet. No country on the planet recognizes you as a citizen until you are born--no country on the planet recognizes you as a person until you are born. Countries do each other the favor of conferring personhood on the citizens of other countries---but no country recognizes the fetuses of the citizens of another country to be a person. All countries confer personhood at birth.
Of course science defines personhood. Science says when you are no longer a person. Science says when you are dead--not religion. The fact stands--no science says a zygote is a human being.
Science defines a difference between live and dead tissue. Science does NOT define 'personhood'. A chimp is alive or dead. A gorilla is alive or dead. Certain examples for both of these primates exist that call into question whether or not these animals fit the definition of "person", or not. PETA would likely ascribe personhood status to swine. A rancher in Texas would not.
Gorillas and chimps aren't people and not part of a personhood discussion. When a PERSON dies---only a doctor can pronounce death---that is science---that is the end of personhood. But you still miss the point, and the point stands---no science says a zygote is a person.
This is a philosophical argument, not a scientific one.
Hardly--when death occurs is a very scientific argument.
To that point, the fetus=person crowd is far more firmly premised than the fetus=lump-of-tissue crowd.
Again, I disagree. the zygote=person crowd fails on every level to actually give a zygote true personhood status---as shown by all churches and their attitude--words only.
The zygote=lump of tissue crowd has the backing of every nation on the planet throughout the history of mankind--every religion on the planet since man first bent a knee--and every science known to man. I would say that even the most ardent pro-forced birth advocate would have to surrender the point when they can't pick the human zygote out of a gallery of a cat, pig, chimp, camel, bear, or coyote zygotes. Looks like a lump of tissue to anyone who sees them. Every nation agrees. Every church treats then as a lump of tissue except for mouthing righteous WORDS. No science has ever called for a zygote to be considered a human being.
It's sad that the debate of personhood is so intertwined with the intracisies of the abortion debate.
Personhood was decided hundreds of thousands of years ago.
An egg is not a chicken. An acorn is not an oak tree.
That's why they say don't count your chickens before they hatch. Because you don't have a chicken until it comes out of that shell. Established long ago--just like personhood.
