Noonan has known from the start that Palin was a horrible choice by McCain. She, along with Mike Murphy, was being interviewed by Chuck Todd on Morning Joe and had the following exchange when they thought the camera was off of them.

Murphy: You know, because I come out of the blue swing state governor work. Engler, Whitman, Thompson, Mitt Romney, Jeb Bush. And these guys, this is all like how you want to (inaudible) this race. You know, just run it up. And it's not gonna work.

Noonan: It's over.

Murphy: Still, McCain can give a version of the Lieberman speech to do himself some good.

CT: Don't you think the Palin pick was insulting to Kay Bailey Hutchinson, too (inaudible)

Noonan: I saw Kay this morning.

Murphy: They're all bummed out. I mean, is she really the most qualified woman they could have turned to?

Todd: Yeah, I mean is she really the most qualified woman they could have turned to?

Noonan: The most qualified? No. I think they went for this, excuse me, political bullshit about narratives and (inaudible) the picture.

Yeah, but what's the narrative?

Noonan: Every time the Republicans do that because that's not where they live and it's not what they're good at and they blow it.

Murphy: You know what's really the worst thing about it? The greatness of McCain is no cynicism and this is cynical.

And as you call it gimmicky.

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This is your brain on drugs. Or at least after 37 years of generic vodka

Why are the Dems so scared of Palin?

Why are the Dems so scared of Palin?

#3 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2009-07-11 10:23 AM | Reply

That is the interesting question, isn't it? Only a small circle of die-hard Republicans love Palin. Most people are indifferent -- she'll disappear soon enough. It is the Democrats who are so insane about Palin.

Perhaps the Democrats fear Palin in the same way they give Obama such blind worship: The Messiah.

Palin (in the mind of jelly-bone Democrats) represents the challenge to The Messiah. Palin is clearly not an alternative to The Messiah, but she does represent that he's vulnerable.

trust me, no one is scared of palin. she is a joke.

yawn . . . yet another analysis from a "political strategist" educating the masses on reality

"trust me, no one is scared of palin. she is a joke."

Shhhh...keep it down, bub.

Maybe these boneheads will run this moron in 2012 and guarantee us all another GOP failure.

They didn't need help looking stupid. What palin does is make the reichwing look disorganized.

Noonan is a perfect example of someone who puts her Party before her Country.

The oddest thing about Palin, isn't her ill preparedness, but the way she used public resources (oil money) to improve the lives of Alaskans and still called herself a Republican. Most Republicans believe that those rewards should be directed only to the few, the connected, through bribery and corruption. How else can you recreate Medieval Europe in the 21st Century?

"How else can you recreate Medieval Europe in the 21st Century?"

Plague?

Well, not everyone can be as brilliant as the vice president who WAS elected. We are SOoooo fortunate to have all the brain power that is representing us now:

trust me, no one is scared of palin. she is a joke.

#5 | Posted by Georgeisadrunk

then maybe she wont be brought up and trashed
maybe leftists wont viciously attack her children
maybe dems will ignore her.

I doubt any of this happens but will be brought up again everytime she draws thousands of people from across the country where everyday americans live more than in LA/san fransicko and the east coast.

IF no one on the left is scared of her, then that should be the end of the destroy her at all costs movement,...
RIGHT?????

and peggy...

its time for you to retire to your east coast martini parties and hob knob with that crowd......

you had a nice run but its over.

"Perhaps the Democrats fear Palin in the same way they give Obama such blind worship: The Messiah."

The only real difference between Obama and God is that God doesn't think He's Obama.

trust me, no one is scared of palin. she is a joke.

#5 | Posted by Georgeisadrunk at 2009-07-11 10:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

OK, so why is there such intense and profound response to this woman?

She obviously scares the hell out of somebody?

What gives?

"OK, so why is there such intense and profound response to this woman?"

It's all just the leftist-socialist trait of intolerance. If you don't agree with their view on EVERY issue, it's attack, attack, attack and destroy. Ask Carrie Prejean, and she wasn't even a candidate for office.

some of you equate making fun of her ignorance with being afraid of her, that also is funny!

TRUE: "trust me, no one is scared of palin. she is a joke."

nice booty? Vernon ~ who knows

maybe everyone is jealous of her bridge to nowhere?

The left hates her because she knew she was having a Down's child and she didn't exercise the left's right to abort him.

They hate her.

Palin definitely has the 'It' factor.

If Romney could get it he would have bought it already.

Where she goes from her is her choice.

She gets to fight back now that she is out of AK politics.

She is a voice for many who feel this gov't is growing outrageously and it is "immoral".

She will help the party get folks who agree with that premise elected and/or re-elected.

I do know the Jews with power didn't like her Bucannan support comments ~ she certainly cost McCain that vote.

So maybe she was such a loose screw from their point of view ~ that she neeeded to be totally discredited in every which way, so any time she might suggest a Mel Gibson's father point of view ~ it could be dismisssed nationally & internationally at once.

everything gets back to abortion...i doubt it, Murphy.

Her religious beliefs though were Zombie like to some ~ however

TRUE: "trust me, no one is scared of palin. she is a joke."

then why not answer the question from great americans such as murphy and jest

WHY is she the target of the leftist machine that is making the nixon enemies list look like a social event???

and murph is right on

she is a christian who doesnt believes in abortion and ACTUALLY LIVED THOSE VALUES and when you are the party of NO VALUES...then that person
MUST BE DESTROYED.....

and once more
not that long ago I can remember the NOW gang and others preaching to us all the time about a woman who is successfull in a "MANS WORLD" was supposed to be so great and important and here we have the PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THAT

and whats their answer now.

well she isnt a abortion approving liberal..
and thus..SHE MUST BE DESTROYED

Why are the Dems so scared of Palin?

I didn't know Peggy Noonan was a Democrat.

As for me, I'm terrified of Palin. What if the GOP wises up and realizes that she's a self-glorifying, know-nothing dope who will only lead the party to further ruin?

I think that was the starting point. And with that the party of personal destruction could not have her up there--anywhere--talking.

They employed their favorite Alinsky Rule for Radicals #13.

And that she has 5 kids and conservative and the mayor for 10 years, then reforming AK gov't--including members of her own party, then Governor of AK.

She is not an elite snob and talks from the heart.

She is not one of the left.

she is a christian who doesnt believes in abortion and ACTUALLY LIVED THOSE VALUES and when you are the party of NO VALUES...then that person
MUST BE DESTROYED...

Palin was McCain's attack dog. Her snide speeches during the campaign against Obama questioning his patriotism -- and questioning the patriotism of all blue state Americans -- have not been forgotten.

So if there's an impulse to destroy her coming from some Democrats, it has more to do with the role she chose to play as her ticket's designated asshole than about her social conservative politics or her gender.

If John Edwards had played the attack role in 2004, ripping Republicans all over the swing states, he would have been despised by the right wing after the election.

""It's all just the leftist-socialist trait of intolerance. If you don't agree with their view on EVERY issue, it's attack, attack, attack and destroy. Ask Carrie Prejean, and she wasn't even a candidate for office. """

And noonan lands where on the political spectrum? Palin is being trashed by anyone with common sense, unfortunately, many of you seem to lack even that.

Are you still supporting that failed, lying, stripping, contract-breaking beauty queen? Why do you guys latch onto such obviously "created" victims? Of course, their fate has nothing to do with their own actions, we know. It's all the other "bad people" that invent (?) stuff about them. If they where unassailable, this shit wouldn't stick, but guess what...

"How else can you recreate Medieval Europe in the 21st Century?"

Plague?

Posted by Zatoichi

FF MMS Protocol will save 'em all! buy Todya!:>)

#24 | Posted by rcade

She is hardly a "know-nothing dope".

The left hates her because she knew she was having a Down's child and she didn't exercise the left's right to abort him.

I agree with this.

They hate her.

In a very irrational way. A fair amount of what she has done as governor should actually appeal to the average lefty.

Palin definitely has the 'It' factor.

She's a very impactful speaker and is obviously attractive. However, she is frighteningly ignorant on national and international issues and, when interviewed, comes accross as a bit scatter-brained.

She is not one of the left.

#25 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-07-11 11:48 AM | Reply |

And the bush syndicate is common folk. As was Reagan? Cheney? Mccain? etc. etc. etc.? There's this thing called reality, you should look it up, might explain a few of your shortfalls and misconceptions.

So if there's an impulse to destroy her coming from some Democrats, it has more to do with the role she chose to play as her ticket's designated asshole than about her social conservative politics or her gender.

The hatred and vitriol toward her coming from the left and the media started before she even started delivering speeches.

They employed their favorite Alinsky Rule for Radicals #13.

The right-wing obsession with Saul Alinsky reminds me of the left-wing obsession with Frank Luntz, except in this case Alinsky isn't even alive.

I've been a liberal since at least 1982. I hadn't heard of Alinsky before the last presidential campaign.

The idea that liberals are following his marching orders is anti-'60s counter culture hysteria. The Democrats holding public office are not "radicals." Most of them are squishy moderates.

If they were radicals, they wouldn't be pussyfooting around on issues like universal health care and the war in Iraq. They'd ram their will through Congress the second they got into power.

rcade..

and you just listed the reason for her popularity.
in her we had someone who WOULD stand up to the media and to others that repubicans for some reason couldnt do..

I agree that her inexperience in foreign affairs hurt her chances and continues to do so and We ALL SEE HOW INEXPERIENCE IN A PRESIDENT CAN HURT THE COUNTRY NOW CANT WE?????

however...if she is so STUPID...then why are we STILL TALKING ABOUT HER>.

HUH????????????????????

They are picking Sara because there is nobody left to make them look stupid. The sexploits really mean nothing because both sides are guilty. They go after her as long as they can to make the GOP look bad.and until something with sticking power comes along. She's it. Her own party seems to ignore her already. How about we hold our own accountable? Fiscal responsibility, immigration issues, make the rest of the world step up to the plate for trying to keeping peace? If every large country held the pain in the A** ones accountable, we wouldn't be where we are at war. The UN needs to do their job or disband. Wow, how's that for an early Sat. morning rant?

The hatred and vitriol toward her coming from the left and the media started before she even started delivering speeches.

No, it didn't. When Palin was picked, nobody knew anything about her -- least of all the McCain campaign. The media and the blogosphere filled in the blanks.

In politics, if you don't define yourself, your opponents will define you. So within weeks of her selection, Palin was defined as an unqualified yokel with a weird background and some odd stuff going on in her life, like her daughter's secret pregnancy.

Rcade--Obama's patriotism WAS/IS up for question when he spent 20 years in a church that spewed out hatred about our country from the pulpit and he just sat there.

Now he runs around apologizing for bs. He is not proud to be an American.

And instead of questioning the patriotism of blue states--which I don't think she did--she was extolling the audience in front of her at the time.

She made similar remarks to the audience at a different locale.

It was not to the exclusion of folks who were not there--she was praising the folks in front of her.

All pols do that.

And the bush syndicate is common folk. As was Reagan? Cheney? Mccain? etc. etc. etc.? There's this thing called reality, you should look it up, might explain a few of your shortfalls and misconceptions.

#31 | Posted by panchovilla

I don't think she is a part of that group either.

That is why she has people within the Republican party snipping at her.

HOWEVER just this morning I read an even MORE DISTRESSING article

after calling for the release of obamas birth certificate which he STILL refuesed to release..

some group went after PAT BOONE and called him all sorts of names

COME ON......the man who made white shoes and white belts fashionable couldnt be all that bad..,,lol

"I've been a liberal since at least 1982. I hadn't heard of Alinsky before the last presidential campaign."

Well, where ya been?...must be a Northern thang. Chicago was where he came from. I have several of his books in my rather large library but never found time to read them.

And I'm a poly sci major.

I also have in my library "The Nag Hammadi Library" edited by Robinson which clearly runs circles around some of Palin's religious beliefs...but that's for the educated:>)

THE FOLLOWING is just another example of...AS IN THE PALIN CASE....the liberal attack machine attempting to discredit ANYONE who dares to question the CHICAGO MACHINE That lives now in the white house

American music legend Pat Boone is finding that out the hard way. When Boone dared to ask that very question, the left-wing political blog Wonkette implied that Boone is a racist:

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"What happens when you're super angry about a Negro somehow becoming president, but there are no longer specific laws against a Negro becoming president? Make up something else.... And guess who just joined the 'Birther' club? Once-famous right-wing [profanity deleted] and talentless fruitsack Pat Boone, who made a living half a century ago stealing the black man's music, that's who."
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But no amount of name-calling can change the fact that 58% of respondents to an AOL on-line poll said that Obama should produce his actual birth certificate.

And no amount of ridicule will change the fact that 49.3% of the respondents to a scientific Wenzel poll found the question to be legitimate (41.5% said Obama should release his records and 7.8% expressed concern over the issue), even though only 51.3% of the respondents were even familiar with the birth certificate controversy.

And no amount of ridicule will change the fact that close a a half-million people have signed petitions calling on Barack Hussein Obama to release his birth certificate.

The plain and simple truth is that approximately half of the American people believe, as you believe, that Obama should produce his actual birth certificate and validate that he is not a fraud or a usurper.

She's a very impactful speaker and is obviously attractive. However, she is frighteningly ignorant on national and international issues and, when interviewed, comes accross as a bit scatter-brained.

#30 | Posted by JeffJ

I agree she needs to learn those issues and express them at will.

She was great on the interview with Maria Bartilone (sp?) on energy and oil and gas issues. She was fabulous.

And what pol hasn't screwed up an interview?

Like I said--she has to get better on areas that she is weak on.

"Rcade--Obama's patriotism WAS/IS up for question when he spent 20 years in a church that spewed out hatred about our country from the pulpit and he just sat there."

don't be foolish...Obama is a former CIA agent doing what he does best...being a shill for the NWO ~ up to a point (of no return?:>)

No, it didn't

Yes, it did. Almost immediately lefties, including the MSM, were questioning her motherhood - she can't hold office AND run a household. The fact that the LEFT was challenging the notion of a working mom was hysterically comical to me. From that to misrepresenting her views on a variety of issues, to her, as mayor, trying to ban books that hadn't even been published yet...the media and lefty attacks on her were unprecedented. She of course fanned the flames, but don't sit there and pretend that the media treating of her was rational or fair.

In politics, if you don't define yourself, your opponents will define you.

...which was one of her biggest failings. She allowed herself to be defined by her enemies.

Palin definitely has the 'It' factor.

she is frighteningly ignorant on national and international issues and, when interviewed, comes accross as a bit scatter-brained

#30 | Posted by JeffJ

She is hardly a "know-nothing dope".

She knows a few provincial issues that matter to Alaska, but she's never showed any interest whatsoever in educating herself about the important issues affecting this country. This is the book on her coming from Republicans, not just Democrats. Many of them have written her off because of her lack of interest in learning anything.

Leaving aside my partisan affiliation, I'm disappointed that Palin has cratered, honestly. She was as exciting a public figure to emerge nationally as Obama.

She had the future set up nicely, despite the loss. Go home to Alaska, give a couple significant national policy speeches a year, raise money for Republican candidates and write a book. 33% of the country is going to love her no matter what she does. Give the rest of the public a chance to miss you.

Instead, she did a bunch of dumb stuff like picking fights with her almost son-in-law, two no-name Alaskan bloggers and David Letterman. She let her daughter become a poster child for abstinence and sell the first baby photos of her child to tabloids.

And now she's quit her office during her first term, which officeholders never do unless they are immediately taking a better job in public life.

With every passing week, Palin shrinks a little more as a national figure. The pit bull in lipstick has become a chihuahua.

and you just listed the reason for her popularity.
in her we had someone who WOULD stand up to the media

No one is ever going to be elected president of this country by standing up to the media. That's a great strategy if Palin wants to be the next Rush Limbaugh, but politicians who bitch about the media just look like whiners.

after calling for the release of obamas birth certificate which he STILL refuesed to release..

#39 | Posted by afkabl2

oh, not you being more foolish than normal, tooo00000........

Look no further than Al Franken for a joke of a senator. Talk about stupid. Zero qualifications...none, nothing. Al Franken is a black eye to this country and a grossly embarrassing example of a knuckle dragging liberal loon.

And instead of questioning the patriotism of blue states--which I don't think she did--she was extolling the audience in front of her at the time.

Sorry, but her comments about the pro-America parts of the country were a big F-U to the rest of us. Democrats know when we're being called traitors, and we have long memories for that stuff.

then those expense accounts on her warerobes issues...

#46 | Posted by rcade

Good post - I pretty much agree with everything you said.

The one criticism that I feel is unfair is her resignation. She fended off, what, 13 frivolous ethics complaints? And counting. It was detracting from her ability to perform and was costing her personally, and the state, a LOT of wasted time and money.

She did a poor job of articulating that when she announced her resignation, but did a good job of explaining that during a follow-up interview.

#30 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-07-11 11:50 AM | Reply |

Yeah, that noonan. What a far left loon she is.

Well, where ya been?...must be a Northern thang. Chicago was where he came from. I have several of his books in my rather large library but never found time to read them.

I am allergic to '60s radicalism because so much of it seems like empty narcissism from insufferable boomers. When most of that stuff comes up in The Nation I skip right on by.

Sorry, but her comments about the pro-America parts of the country were a big F-U to the rest of us. Democrats know when we're being called traitors, and we have long memories for that stuff.

Yes.

It was much like Obama's 'clinging to their bibles and guns' comment.

Look no further than Al Franken for a joke of a senator. Talk about stupid. Zero qualifications...none, nothing. Al Franken is a black eye to this country and a grossly embarrassing example of a knuckle dragging liberal loon.

#48 | Posted by aclusux

yeah, a Harvard honors grad is a joke! AMEN to that!

oh, not you being more foolish than normal, tooo00000........

#47 | Posted by Bani at 2009-07-11 12:05

naw ..its just an "inconveinent truth' that the left will do anything, say anything to keep this private..

and besides..why not take any opprotunity to get PAT BOONES name out there...the old boy needs the 'pub'

#36 | Posted by rcade

Obviously the people at the RNC Knew who she was and greeted her with enthusiasm that knocked the socks off the liberals.

I knew who she was.

I even listed her as like the 4th pick for McCain on a couple of posts.

I just didn't think he would ever pick someone as VP who was other than some old white boring guy.

I am allergic to '60s radicalism because so much of it seems like empty narcissism from insufferable boomers. When most of that stuff comes up in The Nation I skip right on by.

#53 | Posted by rcade

lol

Look no further than Al Franken for a joke of a senator. Talk about stupid. Zero qualifications...none, nothing. Al Franken is a black eye to this country and a grossly embarrassing example of a knuckle dragging liberal loon.

#48 | Posted by aclusux at 2009-07-11 12:

BAM
BOOM....KA BLOOEY

those are the sounds of libs here being blown out of the friggin water..

you,sir or madam, are on to something.
but WAIT here for the coming onslaught of your iq as well as your birth history as both will be in question soon from our liberal bros here this morning....

obama/
franken.....inexperienced = GOOD

anyone from right...inexperienced+ BAD and MUST BE DESTROYED before the massed are moved to enlightenment and understanding whats happening to them

naw ..its just an "inconveinent truth' that the left will do anything, say anything to keep this private..

and besides..why not take any opprotunity to get PAT BOONES name out there...the old boy needs the 'pub'

#56 | Posted by afkabl2

you missed the memos in Honolulu Advertiser by super baby Obama ~ I take it?

The one criticism that I feel is unfair is her resignation. She fended off, what, 13 frivolous ethics complaints? And counting. It was detracting from her ability to perform and was costing her personally, and the state, a LOT of wasted time and money.

All but one of the ethics complaints was resolved by the time she quit. The most expensive ethics complaint was one she initiated herself, because she wanted to improve her chances of being exonerated.

Palin's legal defense fund raised more than $100,000 in individual donations in a week. If she had wanted to stand up and fight, Republicans would have gladly paid for the legal fees for her to keep doing so.

Palin sends the message that if you want to knock a Republican governor off his or her pedestal before the next presidential election, drown them in ethics complaints.

Look no further than Al Franken for a joke of a senator. Talk about stupid. Zero qualifications...none, nothing. Al Franken is a black eye to this country and a grossly embarrassing example of a knuckle dragging liberal loon.

#48 | Posted by aclusux

yeah, a Harvard honors grad is a joke! AMEN to that!

#55 | Posted by Bani

where did you graduate from to get your lawyer degree from BL2?

then those expense accounts on her warerobes issues...

#50 | Posted by Bani

Please....

It was much like Obama's 'clinging to their bibles and guns' comment.

Yup. It was a liberal blogger, to her credit, who broke that story and put a major dent in the Obama campaign.

Why do Republicans spend so much time harping on someone's qualifications *after* he's already got the job. The people of Minnesota elected Al Franken. He's in office for another 5.5 years. His qualifications matter bupkiss at this point.

#61 | Posted by rcade

In AK the ethic complaints can be filed by anyone for any reason.

It was part of their reform when the prior Gov appointed his daughter to be senator.

She had 500k in defense fees and it was costing the AK people millions of dollars to address them within the office.

There was another complaint filed the day she resigned. The total was about 15 or 16 complaints.

I personally don't believe it was in her best interest to resign.

It gives her opponents the belief they won.

She is not going away.

Her knowledge on energy is A+. She needs to get the other issues to the same level. National security and foreign policy.

Obama was coached. Palin can be coached as well.

#65 | Posted by rcade

Actually Repubs harp on qualifications a lot before someone gets the job.

Harriet Miers for one.

Palin another--again on the foreign policy stuff many wanted her to be better on this issue.

where did you graduate from to get your lawyer degree from BL2?

#62 | Posted by Bani at 2009-07-11 12:15 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
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what ..you have to be a scum sucking bottom feeding lawyer to have an opinion now???

and why did you include me in the post with comments from other people???

I know that I am an eclektic and well informed poster with enveyable skills in factual information with many times a humorous bent to it..
but please..................(shit that was a long way to go for that wasnt it????) lol

Why do Republicans spend so much time harping on someone's qualifications *after* he's already got the job. The people of Minnesota elected Al Franken. He's in office for another 5.5 years. His qualifications matter bupkiss at this point.

#65 | Posted by rcade at 2009-

THANK YOU SIR for this post

now if only the liberals and the staterun media would have given palin this same attitude or PASS...we might be talking here about something important.
LIKE ME

Rcade--

Monday morning the 13th the Sotomayor Hearings are starting.

I think it is 7:00 am CA time 10 where you are.

You should put up one of your 56 point font headlines. ??

It'll be on every channel including c-span.

;o)

Harriet Miers for one.

Palin another--again on the foreign policy stuff many wanted her to be better on this issue.

#67 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-07-11 12

ah harriet miers

AH murph..BABY>...thanks for bringing her up

is there ANYONE in the liberal DEN that other libs would come out against as many republicans did about this lady???

I just dont see any lib or dem EVER talking straight about qualifications or whatever of any obama appointee...
its not in their nature to be truthfull like many were in this matter..

and WE are called the party over country faction arent we.

however...if she is so STUPID...then why are we STILL TALKING ABOUT HER>.

HUH????????????????????

Posted by afkabl2

first self retort here today?

hey
I didnt start the thread...Ive got my own thread to use..

its the left who wont let 'it go'...

and why??

easy......they are shared skitless that she will continue her following

70% of polled said that they would still support her
;;;NOW I assume that the poll wasnt taken around Berkely but still..........

AND THERE IS NO BETTER EXAMPLE OF how the obama led government is TARGETING people who dare to disagree with them than this article talking about the firefighter in the SC case that threw out satomayors ruling..

or was I in a margarita induced stupor???

Posted by afkabl2

still?

Can you make margaritas without the lime?

;o)

no bani..
not still....but happy hour yesterday was..shall I say...a succcess....well...not a success in the matter of getting laid, but the groundwork was successfull.........

HEY maybe money REALLY CAN buy happiness

HEY maybe money REALLY CAN buy happiness

Posted by afkabl2

lots of crack addicts feel that way...

Can you make margaritas without the lime?

I dunno I never thought of it next time I see her I'll try it without the lime but she's naturally salty Mexicanas are like that

lots of crack addicts feel that way...

#79 | Posted by Bani at 2009-

ah funny

I dont like sticking anything up my nose...well except maybe for the scent of a woman....and I sure as hell wont stick a needle in my arms.......

you know I sense a little hypocricy here because I dont even want to desribe to you some of the places I have willingly put my penis......ALWAYS HETERO, OF COURSE

dunno I never thought of it next time I see her I'll try it without the lime but she's naturally salty Mexicanas are like that

#80 | Posted by Gimme_a_Scotch

AH

BA DUMP DUMP...

so what do you get when you throw a bomb into a kitchen IN FRANCE????

I think this part sums up Sarah! quite well:

"The elites hate her." The elites made her. It was the elites of the party, the McCain campaign and the conservative media that picked her and pushed her. The base barely knew who she was. It was the elites, from party operatives to public intellectuals, who advanced her and attacked those who said she lacked heft. She is a complete elite confection. She might as well have been a bonbon."

so I guess..mister knowit all...that THIS doesnt come into play at all

this admission by a member of the staterun media..

DONT MISS THIS PART

We did not hold biden to the same standard.....

OH really???

so what do you get when you throw a bomb into a kitchen IN FRANCE????

COME ON FOLKS

you are leaving me hanging here....

AND SOME MORE INFO on the inept handling of palin by mccain people...

does it matter anyway to libs who are bent to destroy her no matter what???

WELL OKAY...
if noone is going to ask

what do you get when you throw a bomb into a kitchen in france

"LINOLUEM BLOWN APART"

come on ..THATS funny

Y'all better be learning on having Sarah Barricuder Palinator as the preserdent in the 2000 and 12 with Michaell Bachsmann riding on in as the Vices Presserdent and makeing this hair country a USA USA USA style capitalisms again. What Sarah ain't a knowing now she will be a learning from SEan HAnnerty, Al-Rushboo Limaball and Glenn Becks. Then she will emerge like a angel from the Alaska and makes the drive to the White Power House. And if'n any mediaers says them emails about the Toddster or the little baby mama childrens of the Palinator she done gonna sues them for a talking on down abouts her family and that fella that sent them emails about Toddster being all seccessionalistic is a gonna gets his butt sued first and pays up fer making them lies about the Holy Palinator family. Ya'll better be learning on getting used to them chants and makes up yer fancy minds that Sarah Barricuder Palinator coming round to the preserdenting of the White Power HOuse. THat be reicht USA USA USA!!! PALIN TO THE PRESERDENTING!!! WHITE POWER TO THE WHITE HOUSE!!!! SUE SARAH SUE!!!!! BOOK LEARNING SUCKS!!!! READING SUCKS!!!! DRILL THE BABY DRILL!!!! COMMUNERCATE SARAH COMMUNCERCATES!!! Y'all crybaby folk got some time to get on used to the idears of the Palinator/Bachsmann preserdenting. So get used to it you whimps and fancy folk cuz she be coming like a ternando to the WHITE POWER HOUSE!!!

Sarah cannot MAKE Repubs look stupid. Not even she has that kind of power. Only Repubs can make Repubs, the party of Quayle, Dubya and Palin, look stupid. And anyone who mentions her in the same breath with the brilliant Al Franken deserves a spanking. herm

OKAY SO

briwo and dan and north and others

If you can convince me that some of my posts read like the pile of shit of post 89..
I may have to take a moment or two for some real personal perspective and a long period of soul serching and reflection

WHAT THE FUCK DID HE SAY????

And anyone who mentions her in the same breath with the brilliant Al Franken deserves a spanking. herm

Come on now Herm, Caribou Cousy went to way more colleges than Al did.

I really wanna read your posts TinyElvis could you condense them?

If you can convince me that some of my posts read like the pile of shit of post 89..

Sadly, the parody of you is far more entertaining than the real thing.

#91 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-07-11 01:38 PM | Reply |

FF.

Actually, far from being afraid of Palin I really hope the GOP are foolish enough to nominate her in 2012.

yeah yeah okay....

but he needs to leaRN MOre about the CreaTIVE Caps BUTTon.....

The wingnuts on this site keep trying to suggest that libs are somehow "scared" of Sarah Palin.

Please understand. She is entertaining. Highly amusing in her inability to be coherent and ignorance of natonal affairs. The fact that the GOP chose her to be their Vice Presidential standard bearer makes it infinitely more amusing. Being a lib who dislikes wingnuts, i take great pleasure and amazement at the whole Palin Debacle and what it says about the GOP and all the wngnuts enamored of her. She is like a joke that never gets old. Kind of like Dan Quayle. (And no, we libs were not "scared" of Dan Quayle.) At some point it will sink in to you wingnuts that we libs are reluctant to see Sarah Palin fade away because she re-affirms all our worst perceptions about you guys being stupid, incompetent and kind of scary.

"Afraid of Palin"?

You morons just keep believing that if it somehow makes you feel better supporting her.

Count me in as praying to God that she is the Repub nominee in 2012. *snickers*

OK, so why is there such intense and profound response to this woman?
She obviously scares the hell out of somebody?
What gives?
#16 | Posted by vernon

One would think even a pantload like you would've figured this one out by now, Vermin. It's hardly a conundrum. So let's see if you can follow the thought thread: (1) The Dems love to bring up Palin because in the seemingly inexhaustible universe of buffoons inhabiting the GOP's clown car of contendahs, she would be one of the easier ones to lampoon, consign to the realm of silliness, and beat like a rented mule in November 2012; and (2) the shrinking supply of level-headed thinkers in the GOP are terrified of Palin because they know that as screwed up as their party is at the moment she could conceivably become its 2012 presidential nominee and lead them even further into the political wilderness, a place about which they've lately learned a lot and like not at all. Follow?

My tiny liberal mind can't keep up with this maverick. Did we have a thread about Sarah Palin's press secretary releasing a statement contradicting what Sarah Palin's daughter Bristol's ex-fiancee Levi said?

not afraid of palin, only afraid of the religionist zealotry who LOVES her and would do ANYTHING to get her in the white house... you wanna talk about a fake messiah? there she is!

"OK, so why is there such intense and profound response to this woman?
She obviously scares the hell out of somebody?
What gives?"

I'll tell you what gives. Any electorate capable of putting Dubya in the White House twice is capable of any amount of muddle-headed thinking, especially if this recession lingers beyond their limited span of tolerance for less-than-boom times. Obama inherited one mell of a hess, and it's going to take more time to fix it than the Messiah freaks may be willing to give him. They wanted salvation when they cast their votes for Obama, and when they don't get it, they'll turn to whoever sounds like something different is being offered, like Caribou Barbie. That's a terrifying prospect.

Palin needs to be exposed for the empty faux-Chanel suit she is with all possible haste - preferably before the midterms, certainly before the next Iowa caucus.

lol #103 - Caribou Barbie, now with helicopter playset!

The best answer to Palin IS Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Reid, Shoyer, Schumer, Frank, Rangell and Eschoo! They are all so full of it as to be dangerous!

The best chance the Dems have IS Bernanke setting this house of cards in order! Then the Dems can take full credit and go on their merry way to bankrupting everyone!

Socialist States of America!

5% of the people in this country CANNOT pay this bill, if you think they can you need to stop smoking that stuff!

If you're receiving a paycheck, signed by someone other than yourself, think what you'll do when your employer is spending the equivalent of your salary, and benefits, times FOUR to pay the taxes, surcharges, increases in utilities, AND fees for this fiasco!

And all the while, CHINA and India (possibly Indonesia) have said, 'We will NOT destroy our economic expansion by adopting these protocols NOW!'

In essence, WE WILL GO IT ALONE! Add 40% to the cost of our products as compared to those of China and India (more countries to come), and where is our market? In order to move ahead we need to compete globally, we will not if all of this comes to pass!

Where will your boss get the money for this? Someone/thing has to go, cause you can't raise prices in a recession!

State, Local, Federal taxes are all going up! Good luck in the blame game!

Palin isn't looking all that bad, at least she is telling us what we NEED to hear, all we gota do is LISTEN! Not believe, just listen!

'Attention Wal-Mart shoppers, the store will be closing in fifteen minutes!'

Palin resigned and the liberal Democrats are still attacking her. W is gone. Cheney is gone. Rumsfeld is gone.

The libs want someone to hate to distract away from the Democrats failed policies and outright lies. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan continue. The Afghanistan war is ramping up higher. Gitmo still open. Obama still open to holding prisoners indefinitely regardless of the outcome of trial. More aid has been given to the corporations than to the American people ($70 bilion to help owners while AIG alone gets $200 Billion). No transparency in governement. The economy is tanking beyond belief. Millions have lost their jobs since Obama came into office. The U.S. now has record deficits and the Democrats want another stimulus and a massive trillion dollar healthcare plan to make things worse. Nothing is getting better and everything is just getting worse. Palin is nothing more than a scapegoat. What has she done to really affect the country one way or another. The libs are desperate. 2010 elections will be disaster for them as their failures continue and magnify.

"Nothing is getting better and everything is getting worse..."

It's been seven months. Let me guess. Ninety-six months with Bush and everything got better and nothing got worse?

Obama is a brave man for even wanting the crummy job he got. No thinking person ever thought he'd have anything but a hard ride.

Having said that---No recession by 2010, no Republican WH in 2012.

My dear Zed. Reality was never your strength.

They don't give a fuck who they screw. Like all politicians, Obama is in it for the power and celebrity. They more the fuck up, the better the excuse to grab more power. I'm not making any bets for 2012.

You're right. No recession in 2010. It'll be far worse.

"...It is the Democrats who are so insane about Palin...#4 | Posted by vernon...

No, we are not insane about Palin, or A'Feared of her. Turn off your damn Rush Bimbo and Shawn Hannity and go ask some real people.

Those Blow-hards are the ones who have instructed you,over and over, again and again, that "Democrats are afraid of Palin".

No one else.

But as Gobbels once said..."Repeat a lie long enough..."

You know the rest.

"How else can you recreate Medieval Europe in the 21st Century?"

Plague?

#10 | Posted by Zatoichi

we could only hope..

Why are the Dems so scared of Palin?

I didn't know Peggy Noonan was a Democrat.

As for me, I'm terrified of Palin. What if the GOP wises up and realizes that she's a self-glorifying, know-nothing dope who will only lead the party to further ruin?

#24 | Posted by rcade

That is assuming the Right grows a brain and exercises common sense. Yeah.. that wont happen. The only thing that would corrupt their collective vision of her is a lesbian sex video where she takes a drag off a crack pipe. It will be the fault of Obama and left of course.

Peggy noonan is a stupid cow, she is the definition of 'DC elite' insider.

After this, Noonan is done in the republican party, she is joining the Andrew Sullivans of the ex republican trash heap.

What a friggin' whiner you are Zeitie. Why don't you hold your breath until you turn blue because someone in your party isn't afraid to say what most of the rest of the country thinks about Sarah! the dull.

Rex-
Aren't you violating some internal personal rule by posting while you aren't being paid for being at "work" and doing your "job"?

After this, Noonan is done in the republican party, she is joining the Andrew Sullivans of the ex republican trash heap.

But isn't everyone?

Boyd, you are talking jibberish again little sister.

Usually you post from "work", Rex. Where you are doing your "job".

What strange planet do you come from Boyd?

I think you just type random comments that you pull from a hat, regardless of whom you are directing them towards.

You are a icky, bizarre little creature.

Where is all the tollerance Zit?
Noonan tows the party line in 95% of her editorials. Guess that aint rethuglican enough for the zit meister.

A couple of things Whiskey.

1. I have never liked Paggy noonan, she is a smarmy DC insider who is more comfortable with the Chris Matthews of the world then anyone else.

2. I always thought we got along and I have treated you with dignity, that is over now.

Rex do you have winamp??

It isn't Palin. It is what she represents - a glimmer of hope for the GOP. A hope that something 'different' is needed and they are finally seeing that is just might be possible to get something different (and maybe even better.)

I doubt if Palin has any real national clout left, but if she does, everyone won't like it .... just some Republicans. I would think it would behoove the Democrats to stop whining so much about Palin and instead of spending their time beating her up, go out and find their own person who gives them what Palin seems to give the GOP.

My personal feeling is that we need to clean house and get rid of both parties and replace them with three new parties. This would keep them all accountable, and our nation - this wonderful country called America, would then see the light of a new horizon.

But wait ..... maybe that is just a pipedream!

Peggy Noonan makes Whores Look Like Royalty

Palin resigned and the liberal Democrats are still attacking her.
#106 | Posted by utastaff

Earth to utastaff...The linked article is by Reagan speechwriter and conservative blowhard Peggy Noonan...Earth to usttaff...come in please....

Doc,

Palin's biggest problem (thus the source of criticism from both sides) was that she entered the national-fray well before being up-to-speed on national issues.

She has both a lot of positives AND negatives.

I point out that a few established Republicans lambasting her does not a movement make.

She has become increasingly polarizing - partly her fault and partly her critics' fault.

** Noonan: Palin Makes GOP 'Look Stupid' **

.......correction:

** Skizziks: Palin Makes GOP 'Look Stupider' **

Palin's biggest problem (thus the source of criticism from both sides) was that she entered the national-fray well before being up-to-speed on national issues.
.........#125 | Posted by JeffJ

.......she is dumb.......pure and simple.......

....any forty year old, who cannot answer simple questions about the world, is never going to be 'brought up to speed' enough to effectively discharge a national office....

And no amount of ridicule will change the fact that 49.3% of the respondents to a scientific Wenzel poll found the question to be legitimate (41.5% said Obama should release his records and 7.8% expressed concern over the issue), even though only 51.3% of the respondents were even familiar with the birth certificate controversy.

And no amount of ridicule will change the fact that close a a half-million people have signed petitions calling on Barack Hussein Obama to release his birth certificate.

The plain and simple truth is that approximately half of the American people believe, as you believe, that Obama should produce his actual birth certificate and validate that he is not a fraud or a usurper.

#41 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-07-11 12:03 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Yeah yeah... Let me see.... Obama is not qualified to be president, right? So,this means there is a conspiracy in Washington DC right? Wow!

Hey, i know, while we're looking for documents lets see the whereabouts of W during his service to the country. And the criminal record that he and Cheny both have...

Funny, I never heard you ask for any documentation on the two known CRIMINALS were taking over the whitehouse.

"After this, Noonan is done in the republican party, she is joining the Andrew Sullivans of the ex republican trash heap."

Perhaps you are right, but I think the exocus from the Republican Party is viewed as leaving the Titanic. The Palinites who remain aboard will go down with the ship still pretending that Democrats fear their leader. Democrats just keep pinching themselves wondering if their good fortune can continue and amazingly, through news conference after news conference she does.

"My personal feeling is that we need to clean house and get rid of both parties and replace them with three new parties. This would keep them all accountable, and our nation - this wonderful country called America, would then see the light of a new horizon."

This seems to be the newly vocalized belief and hope for the future. And I can't figure out why people think that, just because there is a new party, that the same type of people won't be running it. I don't know of any party, anywhere, anytime, which didn't change into a power-hungry party as soon as it achieve power.

The only way parties and the people who run them could be eliminated as a negative influence would be if a country experienced a revolution with every new generation - as T.Jefferson once proposed. And good luck with your country's stability if that occurs.

Of course, a cynic would say that the foremost proponents of such a change are those who just lost power.

"She has become increasingly polarizing ..." - JeffJ

The most astute and accurate statement re Palin. And the biggest reason she have very very little chance of ever being elected POTUS. And every politically astute person knows this. But it is also the reason everyone, the media, the GOP, the Dems, love having her around.

"The left hates her because she knew she was having a Down's child and she didn't exercise the left's right to abort him."

"I agree with this.
#29 | Posted by JeffJ"

JeffJ displays Trig-like intelligence.

No, I don't agree that Palin has become a very polarizing individual .... but I do think the extreme liberal left, with their hatred of her, has tried to make her appear as a polarizing individual.

In truth, the inability of the left to accept any other viewpoint as valid other than their own is what makes things so split down the middle in this country. Nothing else.

I will uphold the rights of the liberals to have their own thoughts and agendas just like the conservatives do. But I cannot condone their inability to reign in the hatred and divisiveness they show when confronted with a differing viewpoint. They always stop the debate on the issue at that point and start the personal smears.

At least, that is what my experience shows. They should look for a true representative for their side besides the Pelosi, Frank, Reid, Dodd, and Kennedy crowd. See, it SHOULD BE about America, not a political party in America.

Pastor - how do you explain all the independents and moderate Republicans who don't support Palin?

I explain that the same way I explain the many democrats who do not support Obama. People have the right to have their own opinions and make their own choices. It really doesn't matter if I agree with them or if they agree with me.

Having the freedom of choice, we support those we are comfortable with and don't support those we are uncomfortable with. Just like you and I do.

My thought is that some in Congress and the Senate (both parties) have abdicated their roles as political leaders in return for bowing down to a party so they get favored by the party. That does not serve America at all.

I am registered Republican, but I do not vote a straight ticket. I vote for the individual in each office that I truly believe will do more of what I think should be done for our nation. I would hope you do the same.

I don;'t think that Palin has the depth that it would be beneficial for a POTUS to have, but after the Presidency was demeaned by installation of a doofus such as Obama, there are no standards to enforce.

What's the name of that professional clown, who's now the Senator from Minnesota? You know, the ugly one. Not Coleman. Er, Al Franken.

With standards such as this in choosing incumbents of public office, Obama or Franken, Palin qualifies for any post.

"... but after the Presidency was demeaned by installation of a doofus such as Obama..." - Johnson

OMG is Johnson telling us the Presidency was not demeaned by Nixon, Reagan and two Bushes?

Haha Johnson you are a laugh a minute.

SITDOWN .... maybe we can have an intelligent conversation on this one.

No, the office of presidency was not demeaned by Reagan, Nixon, or the two Bushes. Granted, they were not the best presidents, but they have not denigrated that office as Mr. Obama has done.

Mr. Obama has used that office to get us so far into debt we will never get out of it. And all the Dems and Republicans in D. C. have stood by and let him do it!

I hope you don't, bu it sounds as if you just vote according to party lines. I hope you don't. I hope you vote for the person who you think will do the best job (no matter which party they belong to.)

I used to be a solid Dem, but when Clinton started pandering to different groups just to get votes, I left the party and registered Republican. I do not vote a straight party ticket, as I am more interested in my nation's health than I am in my party's power.

"they were not the best presidents, but they have not denigrated that office as Mr. Obama has done. "

Huh? Everything Bush did, and it's Obama who has denigrated the office?!?

"Mr. Obama has used that office to get us so far into debt we will never get out of it."

That distinction belongs to Dubya, who actually had a chance to turn it around, but instead pissed the money away on a war of choice and tax cuts mostly to the wealthy, just before driving the ship of state off the cliff and handing off the steering wheel.

Ask yourself this: would you rather have been delivered the ecomony Clinton left Bush, or the one Bush left Obama?

"when Clinton started pandering to different groups just to get votes, I left the party and registered Republican. "

And who did you vote for after McCain began pandering to the religious right and the tax-cut zealots?

"Palin's biggest problem (thus the source of criticism from both sides) was that she entered the national-fray well before being up-to-speed on national issues.

#124 | Posted by JeffJ"

Jeff, you are becoming increasingly delusional. Palin was governor of a state before being tapped for VP. She had NO EXCUSE being less up to speed on national issues (not to mention international issues) than the average Drudge Rertorter.

Like W, she is not intellectually curious. That is fine for the average Wasilla housemaker, Hooter's waitress, or Detroit mechanic, but not OK for someone aspiring to make important decisions that affect many people's lives.

She seems like a nice woman, but she was not qualified, not even near qualified, for the office she was trying to win. Get over it.

DANFORTH, I was part of the "religious right" that McCain was trying to win over. Unfortunately, all candidates pander to one group or another .... they have to in order to get the votes to get elected. I do not think that is not what the founding fathers had in mind.

My comment and your subsequent reply shows that even though two people disagree entirely on politics, they can do disagree without being disagreeable. (Something others should pay attention to.)

I am a Christian conservative. You are not. I would prefer the presidency belong to an Independent, but would settle for a conservative Republican. You would prefer to see a liberal Democrat occupy it. One thing is true .... one of us will have our way. It will be interesting to see what unfolds in the next few years.

MONTECORE ... you are right. Palin seems to be a nice Lady. I also agree that she may not have been up to speed on the duties and knowledge that position demands. But let me say this .... neither is Biden. Obama made a "political choice" when he chose Biden, for Biden has always been a person who did not have the whole picture and spoke without much thinking behind it.

Obama is a very smart man, but his agendas are not what I want for this nation. His agenda towards a more socialistic type government, for instance, is a very dangerous thing. It has NEVER worked anywhere else, and yet he is trying to get it to work here. It won't, and the money and time used in trying to make it work will, in my opinion, only slow down at best, and hurt at worst, our nation.

Government run health control ..... it was reported on CNN two weeks ago that his own team said if a person over the age of 52 were in need of a stint, they would not receive it under the government run plan, because at their age, the cost would not warrant the expense. I thank God I have BC/BS. I also have Crone's Disease and I go in every other month for a chemo treatment. It costs over $500 out of pocket expense each time. But at least I am getting my treatment. Under Obama's plan, I would not have that option at all, no matter how much it cost.

A very dangerous thing indeed. But again, different people have a right to have different opinions and to vote for the one who they think can give them what they think America needs. I appreciate your opposing, but non-hostile filled, reply!

I used to be a solid Dem, but when Clinton started pandering to different groups just to get votes, I left the party and registered Republican. I do not vote a straight party ticket, as I am more interested in my nation's health than I am in my party's power.

#137 | Posted by Pastor at 2009-07-13 12:17 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Pastor, sounds like Clinton may have not pandered to the group of your choice..... just a hunch...

Maybe if he had pandered to the Christian right you would have been ok with that?

I liked Clinton. I thought he ran a good ship. I didn't like everything about him but that comes with the territory.

I had more dislikes about Bush than I had likes but he was elected (so we're told) and served as a 2 term president.

You can't blame the debt we're in now on a person who has been in office 6 months. Especially when the last president was the the first to yell "bailout"

"Unfortunately, all candidates pander to one group or another "

But, according to your own words, pandering drove you away from Clinton. It seems pandering is fine with you, provided you're the one being pandered.

"I am a Christian conservative. You are not. "

Huh? On what topics? Israel? Balanced budgets? A strong military?

DANFORTH ... I did not mean for my last comment to come across as my saying you were not a Christian. Re-reading it, I may have done just that, though. Please accept my apologies.

By reading your posts, it does sound to me as if you are a Democrat, though. That, in itself, is not a bad thing, just like it is not a bad thing if I am a Republican. Different philosophies keep us both grounded in reality. If I am wrong on that assumption, I will owe you another apology.

You study your facts and make sense when you post. Whether I agree or disagree with your thought process, I enjoy reading your responses, as they always seem to enlighten rather than destroy.

As far as pandering by politicians, all do it. It is a shame, but it is a truth. No, if Clinton (or any other politician) would pander to me, it would not entice me to vote for them. I try to stay focused on what their ultimate goal is, what their true agenda is, and then vote whether or not I think they will help America.

I am registered Republican until I change to Independent. But I vote for the candidate I truly believe will help our nation, and I do not vote party lines. I believe we need to break away from the party lines long enough to vote with a sense of purpose, not with a sense of loyalty to the party. Anyway, those are my thoughts, and I'm stickin' to them!

"By reading your posts, it does sound to me as if you are a Democrat, though."

Lifetime independent, largely reacting against the worst governance I've ever experienced (no apology needed). I also hold "liberal" positions, like equality for all, but view that as more conservative, since I take my guide on that from The Bible. For the life of me I can't imagine Jesus sponsoring a bill codifying one group of Americans as second-class citizens.

"I enjoy reading your responses, as they always seem to enlighten rather than destroy."

Thanks.

"No, if Clinton (or any other politician) would pander to me, it would not entice me to vote for them."

But you suggested McCain's pandering to YOU enticed you.

"I vote for the candidate I truly believe will help our nation, and I do not vote party lines."

Same here. I've voted for more Rs than Ds in my life (although that seems to narrow with each election these days). I've only pulled a straight Dem ticket twice: in 1998, to protest the bullshit impeachment hearings (I felt the offense in no way threatened the republic), and in 2006, when I was so disgusted with the behavior of the current so-called Republicans. Otherwise, my votes are a hodge-podge of parties, whoever offers the best candidate. I'd love to vote Republican for President again (actually had some hope for McCain until he began his pandering campaign), but they'd have to talk my moniker out of retirement at this point.

I am originally from Arizona. Never did like McCain. Good warrior - lousy politician in my book. Sarah Palin brought a spark of hope to the GOP, but isn't really qualified to hold the office herself.

I did not mean to allude to the fact that McCain's candidacy (pandering) hooked me. If I had a choice, I'd prefer McCain over Obama, but there has just got to be somebody out there who can do better than either one of these guys!

I am a centrist. I take from all sides, and then use them to make my preferences. I don't care from which party the candidate comes from, I just want him (or her) to be honest and forthright in their visions and in their plans for our nation. I am a very strong patriot who believes we must protect from all enemies - both from within and without. And right now, that includes politicians! We need to use our power, the power of the people, to start voting some of these characters out of office and into a life of unemployment. Again, just my opinion, but I am sticking to it.

"Sitdown - I hope you don't, bu it sounds as if you just vote according to party lines. I hope you don't. I hope you vote for the person who you think will do the best job (no matter which party they belong to.)" -Pastor

No Pastor, I do not, have not always voted along party lines. I have voted for Republicans, and former Republicans, I should add, like Lincoln Chaffee in R.I., and, ages ago Jack Javits in New York (and he would be a former Republican I think, had he lived another few years).

I would not vote for Sarah Palin, however, under any circumstances I can imagine, unless it was to vote her off the island on a TV show. I voted for President Obama because I saw the best candidate for President we have had in a generation or more, not a self-serving hypocrite like most of the people who reach that position (and I include both Clintons in that definition, as well as both Bushes)

And I am deeply committed to the ideals of this country and its Constitution, which I believe was intended to treat people as equals under changing definitions such as we have seen since the 18th century, When they said "Men" they meant "People", not just heterosexual White Males.

I am very happy indeed, amazed even, that we have President Obama and I am not yet ready to express disappointment with his priorities. It is all very complicated. But this country is once again, after a lot of very very bad times, setting a course for a better world, and a better America, with better education and better conditions, not just for the rich. I see that as a noble cause.

SITDOWN ... I respectfully disagree with you as to where Obama is taking this nation. I do not look at him thru Republican eyes, I look at him thru the common sense that I pray I have.

I see very little in what he is doing that will lead us into this heavenly horizon everyone keeps alluding to. I see him in an opposite perspective than you do. But I agree with you that we have had precious little real leadership in this country for way too many years. If Obama helps us, I will submit my apologies to him. I will wait for another year before I give him the credit you do. We shall see.

I am very much committed to the ideals this nation was founded under, and wonder what would possess so many politicians from so many years to stand by and either trash those ideals, or do nothing while others around them did. Just amazes me beyond belief!

cool, Pastor. We can differ but not antagonize each other :)

SITDOWN ... I don't think we actually disagree on too many things. We might disagree on our choices of candidates, but I have read your posts, and we don't seem to be that far off on our basic beliefs.

And yes, it is cool, isn't it? Have a good night. This old guy is off to bed.

"Sarah Palin brought a spark of hope to the GOP, but isn't really qualified to hold the office herself."

How do you reconcile those two parts of that sentence?

DANFORTH ... I reconcile those statements by saying this:

The GOP has been leaderless for several years. Something "new" appeared - Palin. She said a lot of things that sparked a hope within the GOP faithful that things could be (might be) better for them.

It is like my getting excited at the prospect of buying a new truck, but you don't because you don't like trucks. Simple as that.

But, in my opinion, as much as she sparked the initial excitement in many, the office actually demands more than she is able to give at this time. And that, my friend, is how I reconcile those tow statements.

I feel that she will play a part in the next round of elections, but it the one chosen will be someone else - someone who is more qualified and with as much charisma as she has (at least for the GOP faithful.)

"She said a lot of things that sparked a hope within the GOP faithful that things could be (might be) better for them."

Because...after 8 years of their guy in office...what?

"It is like my getting excited at the prospect of buying a new truck, but you don't because you don't like trucks. Simple as that."

Sounds suspiciously like self-delusion.

"she sparked the initial excitement "

But doesn't that speak volumes? That she was chosen for the flash, and not the substance? Personally, I was insulted the GOP would nominate someone as phenomenally unqualified as Palin and then want my vote.

"someone who is more qualified and with as much charisma as she has"

And who would that be?

1 - Yes. After what we have had in office, anyone could spark some kind of enthusiasm in others.

2 - I think that both sides are continually living in the land of self-delusion. Otherwise, we'd be able to come together and vote on someone who could REALLY lead this country.

3 - Yes again! You win the prize! She did spark 'initial' enthusiasm - all because she was different than the status quo. That does not say she was better.

4 - I have no idea who would be the next leader of these United States any more than you do. But, like you, I certainly hope it is much better than what we have seen in recent history - and that includes both sides.

A word of advice .... when reading posts, try not to get too hung up on exact words. Rather try and grasp the context, or the meaning behind the words.