Too much trouble. They're Dems.

I guess you are assuming they will understand what they read. 95% of the people that are there are there for themselves and don't realy give a shit about you and me.

They'll need remedial reading classes first.

didn't they already cover this in mocking fashion when they brought in the speedreader?

Ignorance of the law is no excuse, right? That's the law we all live by. How many times have we heard Congressmen come back and say "We didn't know that was in there."

If they were required to actually read the crap they vote into law, and make it available to everyone beforehand, I wonder if we'd have gotten saddled with that stupid Patriot Act?

This is the new talking points from the Republican Party sent thru Fox news, "ASK ANY AN ALL DEMOCRATS IF THEY READ ALL OF THE BILLS THAT THEY ARE VOTING ON", The possibility that every Democrat or Republican ever reads ever portion of every bill is not likely. The Republicans know that an have know that since, GEORGE WASHINGTON.

What the Congress does is get a Readers Digest version of the bills from their staffs, an in their CAUCUS, they high lite the main points an bring the Bills to the floor. This is how its been done for over 200 years. What the Republicans are doing are trying to embarrass the Democrats with the Use of Fox news.

Cheap trick by the Party that has nothing to add to the conversation. How many Bills did George W. Bush sign into Law???? Want to guess how many of those bills he took the time to read every word????ZERO, thats right ZERO another desperate move by the Conservative right, Grow fucking up!!!!

Valis: "If they were required to actually read the crap they vote into law, and make it available to everyone beforehand, I wonder if we'd have gotten saddled with that stupid Patriot Act?"

Or the No Child Left Behind bullshit.

But then Celisary goes and introduces reality of congressional procedure. Damn you, Celisary; damn youuuuu.

Site calls for congress to read the bills.

Or else?

I've said it once so I will say it again: It should be a CRIME that carries a death sentence for a ANYONE in ANY elected office to vote yes or no, on ANY bill they have either not read, Don't understand, or still have questions about it that have not been answered. If we put THEIR asses on the line, maybe they will start doing their jobs. And YES it is possible to read AND comprehend a 1,000 page Bill BEFORE you vote on it. Might take 3 months but IT CAN( and SHOULD) BE DONE. Government is to work effectively NOT quickly.

Hail Satan.

Too much trouble. They're Dems.

Because we all know the GOPpers read the PATRIOT Act and every Bill they had in front of them, cover to undercover, right RIW?

Moron.

I like the idea and if it had been in effect when the Stimulus was passed either it would've been 10% the size it ended up being or they'd still be trying to decipher it.

The Republicans know that an have know that since, GEORGE WASHINGTON.

#6 | Posted by celisary

Great brain, celisary, the Republican Party was created in 1854 (a few years after George died in 1799).

Neither party takes their jobs as seriously as they should. Neither party reads much of what they vote on. And neither party represents the American people anymore. And Obama does not represent America either. But we can extend that back way before Carter .... including both parties.

My major frustration is that we have gone from a populace that directs their representatives, to politicians who demand the populace bow down to them and succumb to their agendas - - again: both parties.

The ONLY tool the people have now is their vote, but there is a problem. Most people do not study the details but listen to tainted news reports to get their information. If more people would simply vote the bums out, then we would have some kind of base to work from.

Sadly, that will not happen in this lifetime. What a pity. We have a chance to rescue America and we are more worried about how we feel about Palin or Obama.

"DARWINWASRIGHT"...I'm talking about the Republicans of today numnuts, try dealing with the facts ASSHOLE!!!!

Celisary,
Read your own comment. It may be poor English but you said the republicans have known since George Washington, not possible, maybe since Abraham Lincoln.

RE: #13 | Posted by Pastor

Who is this wise stranger who calls himself Pastor?

I don't know, but he must have gotten a great deal on sanctimoniousness.

Not only should they all have to read it but also pass a test based on the bill.

replace congress (all)with common sense citizens at the next election -
support a neighbor for office who has common sense & produced something vs an elite class politician who has only read books

thank you in advance

"Celisary,
Read your own comment. It may be poor English but you said the republicans have known since George Washington, not possible, maybe since Abraham Lincoln."
#15 | Posted by DarwinWasRight

Give him a break. English is his second language.

Celisary, does it make you feel all grown up, or maybe a bit more "demanding" when you get so angry that all you can use is profanity?

Of course, I now expect you to use your eloquent language on me since I just called you out on it, but you would make much more sense if you would either just get off here, or start using more civilized language.

At least, people would take you more seriously and stop looking at you like you are some angry, frustrated, and immature person.

Think about it, my friend. You make good points, but ruin them with your garbage mouth.

I don't know, but he must have gotten a great deal on sanctimoniousness

Afraid of a little competition Holy-Than-Thou Sandie?

Oh thanks for the new word let me try to work it in to a sentence.

The sanctimoniousness of the 0bamanites is often both frightening and hilarious.

It isn't being sanctimonious, it is being well-mannered. You expect everyone to listen to how you might rant and curse, even if they don't want to. This may come as a shock, but others may not like reading the amount of profanity in your postings any more than you like reading comments like I just made.

Also, for the record, I am NOT an Obamanite. I am not holier-than-thou, and I am certainly not the least bit sanctimonious. I am respectful of others, however, as I think everyone should try to be.

I prove that God has a sense of humor. Why would he take me and make me a pastor? If you knew me, you'd agree in laughter with me. So rather than spend your time trying to trash me, why not debate me on specifics of Palin, Bush, Obama, etc.? If we stick to specifics, we don't show our bad side to others like we do if we just try to trash them because they happen to disagree with what we think.

"I've said it once so I will say it again: It should be a CRIME that carries a death sentence for a ANYONE in ANY elected office to vote yes or no, on ANY bill they have either not read, Don't understand, or still have questions about it that have not been answered. "

I was with you until "understand". Probably too high a bar.

Let's start with reading. One step at a time.

"Think about it, my friend. You make good points, but ruin them with your garbage mouth.

#21 | Posted by Pastor at 2009-07-10 10:44 PM"

You're a arrogant hypocrite. Haven't even been here a month and you think you can change things?

LOL!!!

Prozaboi, you talk as if all you do is spend time hating others just because they disagree with you. You should try to either talk like an intelligent adult, or keep your mouth shut and let people think you are a fool rather than open your mouth and proving it to them.

I asked you once before when you called me a hypocrite to be specific and tell me why you think I am. Just because I have an opposing view does not make me a hypocrite. What makes a person a hypocrite is when they say one thing and do another.

You use profanity and expect me to have no problem with it. Yet, if anyone else says anything you disagree with, you lam blast them. Have you ever thought about just talking to them rationally, or are you incapable of that? And, the amount of time a person is on a blog has no connection to how intelligent or mannered they are .... why, just look at you! How long have you been on here?

Now, hopefully Prozacboi went to bed since it is obviously past his curfew.

As we were debating the politicos reading what they vote for ..... they cannot do that. It would take up too much time and they wouldn't be able to frequent their in-house gym, in-house restaurants, or other social gatherings they have.

That would be too much like asking them to actually do the jobs they were elected to do. I will support our government because the Bible tells us to. But that doesn't mean I agree with them, and it doesn't mean I cannot use my vote to vote against them the next time around.

I personally feel that it is time to get a 3rd party in, and to hold all three of them more accountable than we have ever done before. But that also will not happen in my lifetime.

#6 | Posted by celisary at 2009-07-10 08:36

you're a moron and missing the point. you even defend this IGNORANCE. well, guess what, you're ignorant. go back to something you're good at: defending Marion Barry and Burris, you asswhipe. and you excuse and think we should continue to allow elementary ignoramuses to govern our country; voting for bills they not only haven't read, but don't even understand. YET, WE ALL MUST LIVE BY AS LAW. you're a moron. go back to defending people based on the color of their skin. it seems that's all your good at.

only should they all have to read it but also pass a test based on the bill.

#18 | Posted by Species8472 at 2009-07-10 10:21 PM

Good point! Cause and concequenses.

least, people would take you more seriously and stop looking at you like you are some angry, frustrated, and immature person...

#21 | Posted by Pastor at 2009-07-10 10:44 PM

keep reading his posts. he's a racist. read about Burris and Barry. he only sees things through his racist eyes. defending crackheads, corruption, and malfeasance because the because of the color of his skin -- pure, unadulterated racism.

Pastor, you are a liar. Please show me some of my profane posts.

I told you specifically why I called you a hypocrite but you never reponded. You are the one ranting because I pointed out a fact.

Deal with it.

"Now, hopefully Prozacboi went to bed since it is obviously past his curfew.

#27 | Posted by Pastor at 2009-07-10 11:12 PM"

Thanks for proving my point.

I am a white middle class man who is anything but a racist. I am also not a Democrat. I think Barry and Burris should be in jail.

I am amazed at how much you hate others based upon false perceptions and wrong information. Let me ask you a question .... we are supposed to keep our conversation in the vicinity of holding our elected representatives accountable to read what they actually vote for.

Could it be expected that we could keep personal slams to a minimum to do that, or is this just a place we come to under the guise of debate, but really to let our inner hatred and ignorance run unabated?

I would think it would serve the purpose better to stick to points and let our inner anger not be so obvious.

Thanks for proving my point.
#30 | Posted by prozacboi

So, you can certainly dish it out but you don't seem to be able to take it??? Let's drop the crap, Prozacboi - you and I have different opinions. They do not prove one is right and the other is wrong. They show that we are two individuals. We see things from different perspectives, that is all.

And if we expect the other to respect our opinions, we should also give respect to the other ..... not necessarily agree with them, but to not purposely demean them because they simply disagree with us.

That is the only place I am coming from. Do you agree with that philosophy or not?

"As we were debating the politicos reading what they vote for .....

#27 | Posted by Pastor at 2009-07-10 11:12 PM"

No, you were attacking celisary. But I guess it's alright when you do it.

Like I said, hypocrite.

This is the new talking points from the Republican Party sent thru Fox news, "ASK ANY AN ALL DEMOCRATS IF THEY READ ALL OF THE BILLS THAT THEY ARE VOTING ON",

#6 | Posted by celisary at 2009-07-10 08:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Celery is against Congressoids reading bills because some Republicans may support the idea.

A few weeks ago Celery was against an audit of the Federal Reserve for the same reason.

Likewise, Celery was against reining in the ocean of deficit spending because some Republicans think we should be more fiscally rersponsible.

What we need is one Republican who supports giving Celery a million dollars, and then he can be against that, too.

I'm still want you to show me the profanities you accuse me of.

Say what you want but the truth is you have shown yourself to be a hypocrite.

Celisary wrote: "DARWINWASRIGHT"...I'm talking about the Republicans of today numnuts, try dealing with the facts ASSHOLE!!!!

Celisary wrote: ZERO, thats right ZERO another desperate move by the Conservative right, Grow fucking up!!!!

I was not attacking Celisary, I was pointing out that she is part of the problem with these blogs .... much impatience, disrepect, and even hatred towards anyone who doesn't agree with what she says. She is too volatile to calmly debate subject matters.

Please read my last post to you. Is that something we could agree on or not?

The democrats can't be bothered by actually reading the bills they are voting on as long as there spending money we don't have while doing it. Barney Frank: ya just gotta love that guy

They never read the stimulus bill of $787B of barrowed money which turned out to be nothing more then a spending bill which is why they are talking about another "stimulus" bill of more borrowed money.

The Cap & Trade bill (which is actually just a fat tax increase) was never understood and passed without anyone understanding what was in it.

Next is healthcare reform (cough cough) bill which will get rammed thru without anyone bothering to read that one either (more tax increase).

Then comes immigration reform which will be a dusey.

Funny how liberals love to spend other peoples money and pat each other on the back for doing so.

"So, you can certainly dish it out but you don't seem to be able to take it???

#32 | Posted by Pastor at 2009-07-10 11:23 PM"

I told you flat out what I thought of you, you reduced yourself to using the juvenile insult above after preaching to others about sticking to the points.

SLOWSVT .... excellent commentary.

What is scary is that there is absolutely no checks and balances left in D.C. And what is even scarier, is what will the next 3.5 years bring about to what used to be America?

It is only a reasonable request that our lawmakers at least read the Bill they are voting on.

How hard is that?

They should make a law that no Bills shall be greater than 200 pages.

If they can't get the legislation into 200 pages--it shouldn't be a Bill.

If more people would simply vote the bums out, then we would have some kind of base to work from.

#13 | Posted by Pastor at 2009-07-10 09:34 PM | Reply

Just the opposite. A typical Congressoid has a staff of 50-100 people, who write the actual bills in cahoots with other staffers. These people move from one rep. to another, climbing a career ladder invisible to most of us.

Injecting a bunch of inexperienced elected officials into that environment would only give more power to these unseen staff members.

BTW, Pastor, you'll get trashed here for being openly Christian, especially by the likes of SanAn and Prozac. They are extremely narrow-minded and intolerant.

Take for example your polite admonishment of Celery, who is clearly a racist buffoon. Prozac misused the word 'hypocrite,' because on the Left this is the prime insult.

I like this Pastor guy he's alright for a preacher...

...I know it's only a matter of time before he turns on me but what the heck I'm thick-skinned

Could it be expected that we could keep personal slams to a minimum to do that, or is this just a place we come to under the guise of debate, but really to let our inner hatred and ignorance run unabated?

#31 | Posted by Pastor

Good lord man you really haven't been here that long have you?

"Could it be expected that we could keep personal slams to a minimum"

Go fuck yourself and die in a fire as soon as possible.

GIMME_A_SCOTCH wrote: ...I know it's only a matter of time before he turns on me but what the heck I'm thick-skinned.

Nope. Don't see myself turning against you. You make a lot of common sense without trying to shove it down other people's throats. I respect that. May not always agree with you, but the respect is there.

And Vernon .... I was once a boxer who nearly lived in a gym. Threw away my degree so I could fight. Came from a street background. That is, until God got my attention. So, I see both sides, but choose to walk on the right side. And I always have to keep in mind that Jesus said, "They will hate you because they hated me first."

And you are right .... being openly Christian is like wearing a bulls eye around your neck and asking for those who do not understand God to sling arrows at you. Thank you for your kind words.

As far as the congressional staffing .... there is such a thing as re-writing their job descriptions or giving inadequate ratings to get rid of them. No, we should not get all new representatives at one time, but a handful here and a handful there would certainly get EVERYONE's attention really fast!!

"PASTOR"...Your right I do have a potty mouth. Having said that read what some of your Conservative Reverend have to say when we try to just deal with the Facts. These ignorant BASTARDS need to be talked to in language they can understand. They have for 8 years ruined this Country an we as Democrats try to clean up there mess, these A**Holes wonder out loud why is everything not better already after all its been 6 months since President Obama has been President. When you have to deal with sort of ignorance its hard sometimes not to fire with both barrels but just to please you well try.....

This makes too much sense it will never pass.

I think bills should be one issue. each issue should have it's own bill.

Celisary, just because some people you don't agree with said things that made you angry, gives you no right to rail against someone else!

And what you think they did to our nation, others think they did good. That is just a matter of opinions between two people, nothing more. And that should not give any adult-minded person any right to come across like you come across!

I am Republican and conservative and proud of it. I disagree with the Democratic Party on almost all levels. That does not make me the type of person you have tried to make me. Especially since I will not slam a liberal on a personal basis.

If you and I can discuss topics and leave the petty personal slams out of it, I would most enjoy doing so with you, but if you continue to rail against me and others simply because we disagree with you, please know that I shall ignore your comments along with the brilliant young man called Prozacboi's illustrious comments.

If you are apologizing, note that it is accepted and I look forward to a future with you of exchanging ideas. But to do that, we must respect one another's opinions.

This makes too much sense it will never pass.

They would have to read it first.

#13 | Posted by Pastor

You make way to much sense to be here.

Come on congress people read bills we don't pay them to read bills we pay them to vote on bills.

"I think bills should be one issue. each issue should have it's own bill."

That's what the Democrats promised during the 2006 campaign. Turns out they were lying the whole time. The "clean bills" sent up can be counted on one hand.

Pastor- Still waiting for you to show me all the profanities I post or an apology.

I was with you until "understand". Probably too high a bar.

Let's start with reading. One step at a time.

#24 | Posted by Danforth

I can't believe this, but for the first time I am agreeing with something that Danforth wrote (I assume that it won't continue).

I can't believe this, but for the first time I am agreeing with something that Danforth wrote (I assume that it won't continue).

#54 | Posted by DarwinWasRight

Exactly what I thought.

Prozacboi, being profane does not just mean using profanity and cursing at others. It also includes demeaning others in every possible way and trying to take dignity away from someone for no legitimate reason .... all of what you have done in many replies.

To prove that, go back to your page and read the replies you have written. Not all are bad, but some are just way to anal and over the top, even for someone like you.

That is why I challenged you to stick to the points and leave your clever retorts alone.

Now I have answered you. You have not shown me any reason to answer anything else you write ... unless you are classy and mature as Celisary and try to be mature here on this blog. Anything else will be ignored.

That is why I challenged you to stick to the points and leave your clever retorts alone.

#56 | Posted by Pastor

No clever retorts on the drudge RETORT.

Hmm?

"I can't believe this, but for the first time I am agreeing with something that Danforth wrote."

Hey, even a broken calendar....

"Prozacboi, being profane does not just mean using profanity and cursing at others. It also includes demeaning others in every possible way and trying to take dignity away from someone for no legitimate reason .... all of what you have done in many replies.

To prove that, go back to your page and read the replies you have written.

That is why I challenged you to stick to the points and leave your clever retorts alone.

#56 | Posted by Pastor at 2009-07-11 12:37 AM"

I don't need a definition nor to read my own posts, I am politely asking you to be specific in what you think I posted that was profane. You asked me to do the same on the Peter King thread and you didn't have the courtesy to respond.

Also what clever retorts are you talking about?

"To prove that, go back to your page and read the replies you have written. Not all are bad, but some are just way to anal and over the top, EVEN FOR SOMEONE LIKE YOU.

That is why I challenged you to stick to the points and leave your clever retorts alone.

#56 | Posted by Pastor at 2009-07-11 12:37 AM"

So you see no hypocrisy here? Really?

I actually believed in Obama. While I think he is better than Bush he isn't what I had hoped for. Both parties cater to the rich and do very little for the poor. I'll be shocked if universal healthcare ever comes. Both sides are on the take from the insurance industry.

Prozacboi, here is a list of the demeaning and profane things you have said ...

1) Pastor, you are a liar.

2) You're a arrogant hypocrite.

3) The problem is that you don't and can't think troll.
My statement stands. Grow up.

4) Sorry, but you're the first fool to show up.

5) How dare you make people think ManyPaths. Bastard!!

6) "And yes, I am non-partisan. I've never belonged to a political party in my life, but I wouldn't expect someone with the brain the size of a troll's to understand the meaning of the word. But that's OK. Though it's probably a sin, it's fun to watch those of lesser intelligence than the rest of us. LOL

7) Poor Goatman, doesn't even know what partisan means..

Enough proof that rather than intelligently discussing issues, you tend to just judge and condemn - all apparently based on nothing more than a person disagrees with you.

Now, I have given all I will give to you. I will answer no more of your baiting replies. All I want to know is this .... what type of a person is so proud to be associated with Prozac?

Now, will you just go away or at least leave me alone?

Sorry you find the truth demeaning and profane. They were all answered using the very same philosophy you claim to abide by.

Your "so proud to be associated with Prozac" question is hilarious. Right in the same paragraph where you accuse me of baiting replies. I guess that in just you "sticking to the points".

I'm not going anywhere but you just run and hide since you can't defend yourself and your hypocrisy.

You are right, and I apologize. I was wrong in baiting you. Just shows I am human, too. But I try to be fair and respectful when others afford me that opportunity. I don't always make it.

I think bills should be one issue. each issue should have it's own bill.

#48 | Posted by jackass

Nope.

That would be too...logical.

Jeff do you remember Scarey e?? I am wondering what happened to him??

If each bill was 1 issue we would have an idea of govt is up to. Nowadays bills have so many earmarks spending is destined to keep going up and up. Plenty of pork on both sides. Pet project should be out in the open not page 700 of an 800 page bill.

Jeff do you remember Scarey e?? I am wondering what happened to him??

Probably changed handles.

If each bill was 1 issue we would have an idea of govt is up to. Nowadays bills have so many earmarks spending is destined to keep going up and up. Plenty of pork on both sides. Pet project should be out in the open not page 700 of an 800 page bill.

The mere notion of an 800 page bill is nauseating.

I sadly think he is dead but I need confirmation of this.

I think bills should be one issue. each issue should have it's own bill.
#48 | Posted by jackass at 2009-07-11 12:09

oh wow! that might be the most logical bit I've ever heard you say & possibly the first time I've ever agreed with you. cheers! (clink). I now know snowballs exist in hell.

celary = racist asshole

I'd bet that most of congress wouldn't understand them anyway.

Also what clever retorts are you talking about?

#59 | Posted by prozacboi at 2009-07-11 12:48 AM | Reply

What?

Clever?

I was clever?

Please tell me when I was clever!!!!!

Ohhhhh, please, please, please please!!!!!!!!!

Maybe they can't read....

If each bill was 1 issue we would have an idea of govt is up to. Nowadays bills have so many earmarks spending is destined to keep going up and up. Plenty of pork on both sides. Pet project should be out in the open not page 700 of an 800 page bill.

#66 | Posted by jackass at 2009-07-11 02:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

I think this is a good idea. The bills would be simple to read and an up and down vote on each would help the country run smoother. The way the system is now, every bill turns into "Let's Make a Deal", where the country comes in as a last consideration.

the obama marta,"it has to be done now we can't kick this can down the street.it must be passed now we haven't the time to worry about reading it,we will fix it tomorrow it has to be passed now,the world is ending" utter bullshit.

The way the system is now, every bill turns into "Let's Make a Deal", where the country comes in as a last consideration.

#73 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob

the thing to do is elect an ALL new congress of regular citizens already having those views - -

for example, the Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1956 was one of the most expansive/comprehensive bills ever . . it was about 30 pages long & could be clearly understood by a 5th grader

Every bill should stand on its own, no politics of pushing other bad bills on top of good bills.

If a bill cannot pass on its own then it is plainly a BAD bill.

Require congress to read the bills....LOL!

The problem we have with our system is when we elect them we are unable to vote a no confidence and remove them. We are stuck for the years elected and that should change.

Each district, that has their representative, should be able at any time put up a no confidence vote when they don't represent their people. We should be able to throw them out at any time during their representation. This is how we will get a representative BASE.

Each district, that has their representative, should be able at any time put up a no confidence vote when they don't represent their people. We should be able to throw them out at any time during their representation. This is how we will get a representative BASE.
#76 | Posted by moneywar

Persuasive, but with the incumbency rate at what, 95%, how often do you think that would happen?

Persuasive, but with the incumbency rate at what, 95%, how often do you think that would happen?

The problem is all the stupid pork and wasted of our tax money bills go early before elections and as elections get closer bill stall and never get passed to get the population to forget what happen a year ago.

Allow the people to take control of who they send on a instant basis and you can bet your ass that those representatives will be doing what is asked by who they represent.

It would be like a business, managers and workers who don't perform get booted as it should be.

We know longer have to wait 3 months for our representative to travel back home to get information. All the old stand by 1800 rules no longer apply. Remove the fix game from the system and our money will be handle properly.

I think you're going a bit too far. We elect our representatives to use their judgment. If we didn't, we wouldn't need them at this point because we could just poll districts on every issue.

I think you're going a bit too far. We elect our representatives to use their judgment. If we didn't, we wouldn't need them at this point because we could just poll districts on every issue.

#79 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine

by definition we elect them to represent us . . .
judgment, as it should comes into play to balance all factors when there are a variety of opinions on an issue in their district

BUT - when the district opinion is overwhelming, mail by the box full, telephone switchboards overloaded & shut down, constituents demonstrating etc - -

well, that guy's or gal's ass should be gone ASAP

Each district, that has their representative, should be able at any time put up a no confidence vote when they don't represent their people. We should be able to throw them out at any time during their representation. This is how we will get a representative BASE.
#76 | Posted by moneywar

"...after transparency had been promised from the Obama administration."

A child once asked her Grandmother if all fairy tails begin with "Once Upon A Time"

Heavens no, Dear, the Grandmother replied.
There are many more that begin with "If Elected, I Promise..."

Learn that.

"Each district, that has their representative, should be able at any time put up a no confidence vote when they don't represent their people. We should be able to throw them out at any time during their representation. This is how we will get a representative BASE."

It sounds good until you consider that your opposition would begin working for your removal the day you take office thereby turning it into a permanent campaign. Might as well do away with representative type government all together and just decide things by popular vote through the internet. To me, it seems that there are too many bills and issues that most people are completely unaware and thus unqualified to have an opinion. Direct democracy would be chaos. I think, you elect someone and you are stuck with them til the next election unless they do something illegal.

My, my, my, what a lively discussion!

Pastor, thanks for the good words. It's nice to see someone on here who takes time with their thoughts, and does their level best not to sink into the muck.

(Not sure if anyone noticed, but Celisary's #46 reply to you contained the word "A***Holes", rather than spelled out. You may not know it, but that's quite an achievement!)

Having said that, welcome to the shark tank.

It's "Lord of the Flies" here, although we flies are lordless. Enjoy!

They can't read it, if they did they would ALL get sick! If they all got sick, they would not pass the Health Care bill cause it would dilute the DOCTOR pool.

As they would be needing heat to recover from the illness, they would likewise be unable to pass the CAP and Tax (Trade) bill! It would force THEM to pay more for the heating of their offices and homes (35 - 40%more), Unless they exempted themselves, again!

DANNI's post explains exactly what was indirectly happening to Palin in Alaska with the Ethics complaints! Good job DANNI!

Pastor, thanks for the good words. It's nice to see someone on here who takes time with their thoughts, and does their level best not to sink into the muck.

#83 | Posted by TheTom at 2009-07-11

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Thank you for the kind and encouraging words. In truth, my buttons get pushed as much as anyone else's, but I have to try my best to sit on them and be polite. I am not always able to do that, but I try.

The problem on these sites is that very few people are able to accept something other than their own opinions. And then they become angry and pure childishness comes out of their mouths.

If they could control their tongues just long enough for their minds to form cohesive thoughts .... well things would be better. And that would include some very lively and provoking debates. Just arguing because you can't think of anything better to say doesn't do anything but make the blood boil.

Thanks again.