i have to wonder why they're not considering this a hate crime? oh yeah! because black gang members love white people so much. my terrible.

"i have to wonder why they're not considering this a hate crime"

They haven't decided yet. Why do you assume?

from the first sentence in the article, danforth. had the situation been reversed it would have immediately been considered a hate crime or worse.

"had the situation been reversed it would have immediately been considered a hate crime"

You're projecting your own prejudices. Law enforcement is much more circumspect regarding that charge than you.

"African-Americans are incapable of racism, only evil white people (especially heterosexual males) are racist." -- The Left

and you are projecting your own lack of legal prejudice when you can't call it racism based upon the following:

"Out of nowhere, the six were attacked by dozens of teenage boys, who shouted ''This is our world'' and ''This is a black world'' as they confronted Marshall and his family."

WHY is everyone all of a sudden afraid of calling a shovel a shovel?

rich, danforth.

Had the situation been reversed, you would have Jesse Jackson, or Al Sharpton, or some other such clown going to Ohio and the mainstrean media would be running segments about how troubling the racial violence is now that we have a black president and of course they would blame it on rightwingers.

i'll bet the family who was attacked could just feel the love.

"WHY is everyone all of a sudden afraid of calling a shovel a shovel?"

They're not. Some would merely want to wait until all the facts are in. You, not so much; one side of the story seems more than enough for you to make up your mind.

"Had the situation been reversed, you would have Jesse Jackson, or Al Sharpton, or some other such clown going to Ohio and the mainstrean media would be running segments about how troubling the racial violence is"

And you'd think they were idiots. Why the disconnect?

from the article:

Out of nowhere, the six were attacked by dozens of (black)teenage boys, who shouted ''This is our world'' and ''This is a black world'' as they confronted Marshall and his family.

You lefties that voted for Flopears HAD TO HAVE KNOWN crap like this would happen , didn't you????

Did you expect even a small fraction of the hip hop culture to accept Obama's victory with dignity and grace?

DO I GIVE ONE TINY SHIT about the black youth group who were asked not to come back to the PRIVATE club in Philly?

methinks no

Nanc - you're way off base. When things like this occur its usually special interest groups that immediately start labeling things like "hate crimes". The police almost always hesitate to label crimes until they have more information. That goes both directions.

You seem to be trying to manufacture some sort of prejudicial divide here.

"DO I GIVE ONE TINY SHIT about the black youth group who were asked not to come back to the PRIVATE club in Philly?
methinks no"

Of course you don't. They were black people, after all.

it is a private club. they can sell membership to whomever they want, and they can withhold selling to whomever they want.

fool.

If they don't want blacks, they have that right.

regardless of whether that is racist or not, they have the right to run their private club however they want

"If they don't want blacks, they have that right."

It's the 21st century. Wake up, you're in for a rude surprise....

BTW, anytime right wingers wonder why Republicans can't seem to get the minority vote, have them read Fredo's #14.

"If they don't want blacks, they have that right."

It's the 21st century. Wake up, you're in for a rude surprise....

#15 | Posted by Danforth

That is by far the most stupid as fuck statement i have heard here in a while.

I am sorry is Obamma going to ram through some new legislation about tolerance as a thought requirement for the masses?

"They're not. Some would merely want to wait until all the facts are in. You, not so much; one side of the story seems more than enough for you to make up your mind."

How about THIS one, Dan...any "hate" here? No charge was ever filed even though they have had a couple of years to "decide."

"According to the testimony of the Knox County Acting Medical Examiner Dr. Darinka Mileusnic-Polchan at the subsequent trial of Eric Boyd, Newsom was repeatedly raped and then blindfolded, gagged, arms and feet bound and his head covered. Barefoot, he was either led or dragged outside the house to a set of nearby railroad tracks. He was shot in the back of the head, the neck, and the back, and his body then set on fire. Christian's death would come only after hours of sexual torture, medical examiner Mileusnic-Polchan testified. Christian suffered horrific injuries to her vagina, anus and mouth. She was not only raped but savaged with "an object," possibly a broken chair leg, the doctor testified. She was beaten in the head. Some type of chemical was poured down her throat, and her body, including her bleeding and battered genital area, likely scrubbed with the same solution - all while Christian was alive, the forensic expert said. She was then "hog-tied," with curtains and strips of bedding, her face covered tightly with a small trash bag and her body stashed inside five large trash bags before being placed inside a large trash can and covered with sheets. Christian died slowly, suffocating, the medical examiner said.[5]"

BTW, anytime right wingers wonder why Republicans can't seem to get the minority vote, have them read Fredo's #14.

#16 | Posted by Danforth

any time Al Sharpton wonders why white families cross the street when they see black youths coming down the street toward them,
read this thread article.

Danforth is confused and all bent out of shape over "replicans are racists" and he/she cannot see the point of the Philly private club story is you cannot legislate peoples' or groups' feelings and thoughts, and you cannot legislate the way they conduct their PRIVATE affairs.
I know as a lib, Danforth cannot accept this - and he/she wants to deflect to "republican racism"

Well dan, you live in the United States of America, and you should read the constitution of he aforementioned country - particularly the 1st Amendment.

i'm NOT way off base, sar - it happened on the fourth - it's now the ninth. is it a racist hate crime or not? why are people afraid to just say what is apparent?

#18 | Posted by jestgettinalong

Were the victims deliberately targeted because of who/what they were? From the article, it appears that they were the victims of a car jacking. Yes, the crimes are horrendous and the article indicates they are being prosecuted for them under both state and federal statutes.

However, nothing in the article indicates this fits the legal definition of a hate crime under Kentucky law.

"How about THIS one, Dan...any "hate" here? No charge was ever filed even though they have had a couple of years to "decide." "

How about it? Where in your snippet is any reference to it being a hate-based crime? Depraved, yes. Sadistic, too. But hate-based randomness...where? And even if we assume it was, what does their failure have to do with whether the jury comes in before all the facts in this case?

BTW, for the record, I believe this WAS a hate crime. I just would like more than one side of the story before I throw the switch. Wouldn't you?

"any time Al Sharpton wonders why white families cross the street when they see black youths coming down the street toward them,
read this thread article."

It was Jesse Jackson who said that.

Get your race-bating preachers straight.

"Danforth is confused and all bent out of shape over "replicans are racists"

Dan is maybe too young (or too stupid) to remember democrats like like Faubus, Wallace et al. And then, of course, there's Byrd of the KKK....

sar - akron is in ohio.

i'm NOT way off base, sar - it happened on the fourth - it's now the ninth. is it a racist hate crime or not? why are people afraid to just say what is apparent?

#20 | Posted by nanc

I think you are. A police investigation doesn't proceed on YOUR timeline. You're a trouble maker.

sar - akron is in ohio.

#25 | Posted by nanc

I know - I live 30 minutes away. I was talking about the article Jest linked.

"Well dan, you live in the United States of America, and you should read the constitution of he aforementioned country - particularly the 1st Amendment."

This wins the 'Idiocy of the Week' Award.

Fredo actually believes black people being turned away from a pool is protected by the First Amendment.

You can't make this shit up.

Danforth is painting with a very broad stroke and at the same time expresses his INtolerance of other peoples views

#23 | Posted by Danforth

when we see them ANYWHERE we ask where the fish are biting! generalization - yes, but blacks DO KNOW where all the good fishing holes are.

#27 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

oh. my apology.

#26 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

i was in law enforcement for nearly 15 years - i know the timelines.

"Dan is maybe too young (or too stupid) to remember democrats like like Faubus, Wallace et al. "

Whereas Jest is so old and addled, he doesn't remember those Democrats and others like them eventually left the party and became Republicans.

plus - if the shoe were on the other foot, the whites would have been arraigned, tried, sentenced and jailed by now.

"Danforth is painting with a very broad stroke and at the same time expresses his INtolerance of other peoples views"

By all means, Eb, lets convict these folks with only one side of the story told.

Fredo actually believes black people being turned away from a pool is protected by the First Amendment.

You can't make this shit up.

#28 | Posted by Danforth

not made up.

its quite true.

you want to keep trying to avoid that this was a PRIVATE club, don't you?

You want to act like they were turned away from a public pool, or public park, or public beach, don't you?

You are making yourself look stupid.

give it up.

"How about it? Where in your snippet is any reference to it being a hate-based crime?"

But when two white guys "randomly" dragged a black man behind their pick up, it was "hate." Why, Dan? You're just NOT going to admit that there is MUCH more black on white "hate" crime than the reverse. The leftist media just won't cover it. No charge of "hate" for Reggie Denny either, was there. Personally, I think the "hate" charge should be eliminated altogether. It sure isn't applied fairly anyway.

" if the shoe were on the other foot, the whites would have been arraigned, tried, sentenced and jailed by now"

Lie or extraordinary hyperbole?

You make the call.

i was in law enforcement for nearly 15 years - i know the timelines.

#32 | Posted by nanc

And the timeline is exactly the same for every case, in every jurisdiction?

#34 | Posted by nanc - AND it would have been considered a racial hate crime.

It was Jesse Jackson who said that.

Get your race-bating preachers straight.

#23 | Posted by Danforth

nope.

they ALL have said that a number of times.

including the quote about M Jackson by AL SHARPTON

last wek.

so thanks for continuing , albeit lamely, to find something wrong with my statements.

you are now officailly flailing wildly.

#39 - no, but rarely do five days pass before a case as simple as this is put together.

" You're just NOT going to admit that there is MUCH more black on white "hate" crime than the reverse."

WTF does that have to do with anything? Yes, the Reginald Denny thing was racist. Yes, there is a lot of black-on-white hate crime. But more than white-on-black hate crime? Stats, please.

Still, ultimately...What does that have to do with calling this a hate crime before both sides of the story have been told?

#38 | Posted by Danforth - in the world of reveruns at the mouth jackson and al sharptongue - you bet your hiney.

"they ALL have said that a number of times."

Link, or retract.

I didn't say anything about convicting anybody. I applaud your wanting to wait for all the facts but don't assign a position to me.

Put the paintbrush down

this would have been the perfect post to do a manyputz creative writing segment.

it happened on the fourth - it's now the ninth. is it a racist hate crime or not? why are people afraid to just say what is apparent?

#20 | Posted by nanc

Nanc - the incident happened the night of the 4th. This article was published on the 7th, which means it was written on the 6th - 2 days after the incident that happened on a holiday weekend.

"you bet your hiney."

Okay, you're just a liar.

#39 - no, but rarely do five days pass before a case as simple as this is put together.

#42 | Posted by nanc

See #48

"I applaud your wanting to wait for all the facts but don't assign a position to me. "

Fat talk after all the positions you assign to me.

Still want to claim I was never a Catholic?

#50 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue - they've had plenty of time to call it.

Out of nowhere, the six were attacked by dozens of teenage boys, who shouted ''This is our world'' and ''This is a black world'' as they confronted Marshall and his family.

Seems like a clear-cut hate crime. Anyone know why the prosecutors haven't made those charges?

" they've had plenty of time to call it."

Maybe they're looking for...wait, what's it called...that's right, evidence. And maybe 48 hours wasn't enough for them.

Too long for Nanc, though.

there were up to fifty black teens attacking this family, hurling racist insults - call it, danforth and sar.

#50 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue - they've had plenty of time to call it.

#52 | Posted by nanc

You're completely full of it. The article you are relying on was written barely 2 days after the incident. You have absolutely NO idea what the police had time to do or know in that short period.

And you have no idea where the investigation is today. Although I can tell you that so far no arrests have been made because there were so many kids, and no one could identify any of them.

"Anyone know why the prosecutors haven't made those charges?"

Maybe they haven't interviewed all the witnesses yet. Too much of a bother for some, though.

Yes.

Why would that change?

Anyone know why the prosecutors haven't made those charges?

#53 | Posted by Phoenix

No one has been arrested - see # 56

"there were up to fifty black teens attacking this family, hurling racist insults - call it, danforth and sar."

Happy to, once all the facts are in.

call it, danforth and sar.

#55 | Posted by nanc

It isn't my responsibility to "call it". It sounds like a hate crime, but I don't know all of the facts - and you know even less than I do.

"Yes. Why would that change?"

Wrong then. Wrong now.

here's the apd gang unit email:

To be fair, I don't think waiting a few days more is out of line

"Whereas Jest is so old and addled, he doesn't remember those Democrats and others like them eventually left the party and became Republicans."

And Danny is just an out-of work "actor" on welfare playing on his mom's computer. I don't know where you got the idea Faubus and Wallace became republicans, but, naturally, you're full of shit....so full of shit you have a turd in every pocket. Faubus ran as a democrat against Clinton in the '86 primary in Arkansas and Wallace ran against Nixon as a third party candidate. But you "knew that" right?

and, their phone number:

(330) 375-2911

who will be the brave soul?

....and you know even less than I do.

Share your information so that we may be as enlightened as you. I'd like to know more about this story as well.

"had the situation been reversed it would have immediately been considered a hate crime"

You're projecting your own prejudices. Law enforcement is much more circumspect regarding that charge than you.

#4 | Posted by Danforth

Bull Shit!

Then again, The same punks would most likely do the same if it were a black family. Punks are punks! Probability worked up after an Acorn meeting.

"And Danny is just an out-of work "actor" on welfare playing on his mom's computer"

Jest can't seem to post without giving in to his Alzheimers. But at least he saved us from the 47th incarnation of his "Brokeback Mountain" joke.

"I don't know where you got the idea Faubus and Wallace became republicans"

People like them...you know, the Dixiecrats. Is your mind completely gone already? So sad.

Share your information so that we may be as enlightened as you. I'd like to know more about this story as well.

#67 | Posted by goatman

Well let's start with what I already shared - they haven't arrested anybody yet because no one could identify any of the suspects.

Would you really expect the police to make a determination of the nature of the crime without even having suspects, let alone perps?

"Bull Shit! "

That law enforcement doesn't throw around the term "hate crime" as loosely as Nanc does? Do tell!

Remember Goat - I DO live here and have seen TV reports and additional news stories beyond the one Nanc is clinging to so fiercely.

Pretty sure that if a gang of white punks were to attack a black family and say, "it's a white world!", the libbies would be less confused about what makes a hate crime.

Just do away with hate crimes legislation in the first place. If it turns out this family was assaulted, the penalties for assault should be made severe enough to dissuade them in the future.

i'm exercising the same rights as blacks do when the tables are turned, danforth. jumping to conclusions. are you saying because i'm considered "white" i'm not entitled to the same rights?

#72 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue - do share - i've been searching for more info also.

Pretty sure that if a gang of white punks were to attack a black family and say, "it's a white world!", the libbies would be less confused about what makes a hate crime.

#73 | Posted by rightisright

Dumb.

No one here is saying that it WASN'T a hate crime. RIF.

"they ALL have said that a number of times."

Link, or retract.

#45 | Posted by Danforth

Take it from your lib cohort:

I can't wait to hear what dumbass thing Sharpton says this time.

#85 | Posted by briwo

Actually Sharpton DID say one smart thing right after they announced Jackson was dead. He said he was appalled by all the people praising Michale Jackson who wouldn't have walked across the street to say hello to him 24 hours before.

#88 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

here's the link:

Remember Goat - I DO live here and have seen TV reports and additional news stories beyond the one Nanc is clinging to so fiercely.

I understand that. That's why I requested you share additional information. Stories from a local PoV are generally more relevant, IMO.

i'm exercising the same rights as blacks do when the tables are turned, danforth. jumping to conclusions.

#74 | Posted by nanc

Fine - jump to your conclusion. If you think it was a hate crime, you're entitled to that opinion.

But don't go insinuating some nefarious motive to the police - because you don't know jack about what they are doing, or at what stage their investigation is.

"So will YOU retract now, Danforth??"

No. It's an entirely different thing, idiot.

"People like them...you know, the Dixiecrats. Is your mind completely gone already? So sad."

Talk about being addled...just a couple of minutes ago you wrote: "..THOSE democrats.." referring to Faubus and Wallace. Read below what you wrote Dan, then admit that you are REALLY full of shit. You ARE one FUBAR dude, Dan.

"...he doesn't remember those Democrats and others like them eventually left the party and became Republicans."

"are you saying because i'm considered "white" i'm not entitled to the same rights?"

No, I'm saying white or black, you're stupid for doing it.

#79 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue - i didn't pose anything to the p.d. - i wanted genuine, thought out opinions based solely on the article. thank you.

#82 | Posted by Danforth - 'ZACTLY!

BTW, sanan, I'm going to be in your part of the country August 6. Going to hook up with my friend in Cleveland and go to his cottage on the lake in Ontario as we do every year.

This year will be special -- two other Navy buds whom we haven't seen since 1981 will be joining us this year.

After that I will visit my m'in-law in Berlin -- Amish country. I love it there.

Gonna be a good trip. I can't wait.

Actually, we should all pity Danny. He suffers from optiorectumitis. His optic nerves have become entangled with his sphincter and that causes his asshole to bite the seat cushion every time he blinks. That's why he has such a shitty outlook on life too. He spends every day not knowing whether to shit or go blind. He deserves some good ol' leftist tolerance, compassion and understanding. Maybe a little socialist "love" thrown in too.

"So will YOU retract now, Danforth??"

No. It's an entirely different thing, idiot.

#80 | Posted by Danforth

TRANSLATION:

UH.... UM .... DUH....i got burned by FREDO !

Anyone know why the prosecutors haven't made those charges?
#53 | Posted by Phoenix

No one has been arrested - see # 56
#59 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

That's probably it right there. Plus, they don't want to antagonize any potential witnesses.

IMO though, definitely a hate crime.

#86 | Posted by jestgettinalong - danforth is a straight up, although misguided guy - i like him - perhaps you'd like to direct that comment to manyputz or rnv?

BTW, sanan, I'm going to be in your part of the country August 6. Going to hook up with my friend in Cleveland and go to his cottage on the lake in Ontario as we do every year.

This year will be special -- two other Navy buds whom we haven't seen since 1981 will be joining us this year.

After that I will visit my m'in-law in Berlin -- Amish country. I love it there.

Gonna be a good trip. I can't wait.

#85 | Posted by goatman

Well it was late coming this year, but the beautiful summer weather has finally arrived so hopefully you'll get the full benefit of summer on the Great Lakes.

if they do apprehend any of the thugs, i wonder how many of them will holler "racist!"?

i didn't pose anything to the p.d. - i wanted genuine, thought out opinions based solely on the article. thank you.

#83 | Posted by nanc

Again, I call BS on that, Nanc. From your very first post you were trying to set this up as some accusation of a double standard by the Akron PD.

i have to wonder why they're not considering this a hate crime? oh yeah! because black gang members love white people so much. my terrible.

#1 | Posted by nanc

if they do apprehend any of the thugs, i wonder how many of them will holler "racist!"?
#91 | Posted by nanc

You play the cards in your hand.

"TRANSLATION:"

Fredo doesn't know the difference between what JJ said, and what Al Sharpton said.

It's simple, dude: post where Sharpton made a comment about crossing the street when blacks are present, or admit you can't.

...you'll get the full benefit of summer on the Great Lakes.

We'll be much further north than that. I think the lake is called "Knessis" or somehing like that. It is near a small town called Halliburton. It is about a 4 hour drive N of Buffalo.

Last year we were there in September. I have never seen anything like the maple trees turning colors. It was more spectacular than any postcard or jigsaw puzzle I had ever seen. Simply breathtaking.

"Actually, we should all pity Danny"

How kind, coming from the guy who can't seem to get my story straight.

We'll be much further north than that. I think the lake is called "Knessis" or somehing like that.

#95 | Posted by goatman

Oops - thought you said a cottage ON Lake Ontario. But even farther north it should be nice and warm in August.

"danforth is a straight up, although misguided guy"

If Danny is straight up, he's a straight up leftist-socialist zealot and is more than just "misguided." I don't dislike him, he just amuses me, that's all.

"he's a straight up leftist-socialist zealot"

How sweet of you to notice!

#92 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue - i actually posted it to see the double standards of THE PEOPLE, sar. once again i'm proven they do exist. that's all.

"i actually posted it to see the double standards of THE PEOPLE, sar"

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Show of hands...anybody believe that?

Anybody?

p.s. - yesterday there was a post up on how some white club wouldn't allow black children in to swim and all the white children left the pool aghast - that is equally and morally wrong, but that party cooler incident seemed to draw more ire from the leftist buttkissing crowd. just sayin'.

once again i'm proven they do exist. that's all.

#100 | Posted by nanc

Read again, Nanc. Not one single person here said it WASN'T a hate crime.

But your agenda was PERFECTLY clear.

danforth - are you implying double standards do not exist at the 'tort?

#103 - well until rasta and tarkmaniac come in and call me a racist, the photo is not complete.

"danforth - are you implying double standards do not exist at the 'tort?"

Of course not. Check your mirror if needed.

#106 | Posted by Danforth - the one where things appear closer than they really are? BWAH!

love to play some more, but i'm taking my sweet husband on a mini-birthday vacation right after he gets home from the golf lesson our daughter is giving him! happy weekend all - TA!

Actually, we should all pity Danny"

How kind, coming from the guy who can't seem to get my story straight.

#96 | Posted by Danforth

Now that is the loaded statement of the month.

You need to get your own "story" straight before anyone else can, friendo.

"You need to get your own "story" straight before anyone else can, friendo."

Impossible! It's that bad case of optiorectumitis that afflicts him.

"It's that bad case of optiorectumitis that afflicts him."

Jest seems to be the expert on the subject.

i'm exercising the same rights as blacks do when the tables are turned, danforth. jumping to conclusions. are you saying because i'm considered "white" i'm not entitled to the same rights?

#74 | Posted by nanc

no just demonstrating your ignorance.

ignorance of what, th? ignorance of not knowing how to play the victim to my advantage?

Were the races of the attackers and victims reversed, this would be called a hate crime and it would be all over the news. That there is even a question about whether the attack was racially motivated proves how unevenly hate crime laws are enforced.

Nanc is pretty much right on the ball on this one. Those of you who are failing miserably as coming across as "enlightened" by being deliberately obtuse on this are just politically correct cowards. Pretending to be stupid isn't nearly as impressive as you think.

"Those of you who are failing miserably as coming across as "enlightened" by being deliberately obtuse on this are just politically correct cowards."

Well, at least you've heard both sides of the story before making up your mind....

i was in law enforcement for nearly 15 years - i know the timelines.

#32 | Posted by nanc

NANC, you are so full of crap it's running out your ears. You claim to be an expert in everything. In one post you claim to have been a safety expert and in another you claimed to be an HR and budget expert. Plus your posts pre-November 2008, during the election, and for several weeks thereafter were so racist and biased they were disgusting. You even went chasing "BlACK PANTHERS" during the election, hoping to find any posts on them. You are nothing but a troublemaker and phoney!

Nanc doesn't believe in hate crimes, something I can sympathize with. Hate crimes are dumb. Punishing motive is redundant and implies prosecutors have some inside knowledge on a case that may or may not exist. We have laws, if you break them there is a punishment, motive (implied or perceived) is irrelevant.

But nanc is too vengeful and lazy to make that argument. She is willing to accept hate crime laws as long as vengeance is displayed at her convenience. Whites getting longer sentences for a perceived "hate" motive is wrong on its face, and nanc sees that. She just wants to make sure vengeance for that injustice is carried out on black people when applicable.

Hate crime legislation is wrong and by its nature will be selectively enforced unfairly. For nanc, injustice for everyone is better than injustice on only white racists.

Her argument in not in defense of the family that was beaten by a mob, it is in defense of people like Berry, Brewer, and King,...she is just too cowardly to admit that.

This is an interesting subject

Per the FBI's website:

Racial bias
Among the single-bias hate crime incidents in 2007, there were 4,956 victims of racially motivated hate crime.

69.3 percent were victims of an offender's anti-black bias.
18.3 percent were victims of an anti-white bias.
4.7 percent were victims of an anti-Asian/Pacific Islander bias.
1.5 percent were victims of an anti-American Indian/Alaskan Native bias.
6.1 percent were victims of a bias against a group of individuals in which more than one race was represented (anti-multiple races, group).

It appears from this information that there are over 3 times as many hate crimes for anti black as opposed to anti-white crimes.

ALL other things being equal this would indicate a bias to prosecuting white on black as a hate crime over black on white as a hate crime. Certainly issues like population and demographics would play into this but this information seems pretty significant.

"Well, at least you've heard both sides of the story before making up your mind...."

What other side? When the little bastards who did it turn themselves in and present their side, there will be another side to the story.

Until then, the police should be investigating this as a "hate crime" the same way they would if the races were reversed.

Why are you pretending that these incidents are never called "hate crimes" before anyone is caught? Like I said, being deliberately obtuse is not impressive.

Personally, I don't think beating these people up because they are white is any worse than beating them up because the attackers just felt like it. But if we are going to have these laws, they shouldn't be enforced according to the racism of political correctness.

This is a hate crime by the definition of hate crime. "This is a black world" was the motive here.

nope sorry

cant have racists this far NOATH....

only happens in texas and other close places.

I KNOW......I read it here all the time

Aka...

I know, I've lived in it. I never had to read it. You armchair warriors with your keyboard swords just wish you had a clue. You are racist to the core mofo. Don't deny it.

Aka= the person who tries hard to be a human, but comes up short.

These kids are insane or something set them off. Why that house, why only them?

The Hate Crime law that is being considered does not list white people as a protected class under the Bill.

Not all justice is equal--not under hate crime legislation.

---------

As for this situation--it appears at first blush that the group of black youths were attacking, yelling and scaring the family because they were white.

They wouldn't say those things to another black family. Would they?

Racism needs to be exposed at every corner. It should not be tolerated by any person or group to another person or group.

"The Hate Crime law that is being considered does not list white people as a protected class under the Bill."

Link?

If the charges pan out, I wonder what the punishment will be? Probably a slap on the wrist because rioting by blacks has been rewarded, not punished. And with some 50 blacks involved, it's tantaount to a riot. And as you know, rioting is excused in the U.S. nowadays.

If the story is true, then the assailants should get some 20 years in the hoosegow, adult lockup. But allegations of "racism" will be hurled at "the establishment" for bringing credible charges, and with the politicians catering to accommodate black bloc voters, if anything there'll be a few misdemeanor charges filed rather than felonies. After all, you can't have vulnerable black youth stigmatized for life by felony convictions just because they perpetrated violent felonies. The lamentations by the liberals for those intruding on the close of others follows the same pattern. But it is getting a bit old to claim there should be no proper redress for wrongs done.

As to the pool issue, why should people not be allowed to create surroundings they find congenial, and if racial or ethnic or religious groups are not welcomed, so be it.

I supported the Public Accommodations Act because the denial of facilities to someone traveling crosscountry imposed an undue hardship. But denial of access to a private pool is something else. To the extent possible, people should be able to associate with people they find congenial, and the fact that other people don't find the exclusion congenial to them is of little moment. Also, the report indicated that the kids were somewhat rowdy and noisy, and certainly the club needs to accommodate its members. Why should people have their lives and hown they choose to spend "their life's time" be negatively impacted. The fascist lefty mentality that welcomes government intrusion in all facets of living, wants control by other people essaying the role of "government" as overriding the lives that individuals want to fashion for themselves.

The Hate Crime law that is being considered does not list white people as a protected class under the Bill.

#126 | Posted by MURPHY

Here we go again... Murphy not having the slightest clue what she's talking about.

The bill covers crimes committed because of race or color. ANY race or color.

"The bill covers crimes committed because of race or color. ANY race or color."

Murphy, what say you?

Excuse me guys--

Of course race is listed. But I guess we will have to see just how equal the bill will be to any and all race groups or persons.

Holder says there is no Equality under the Hate Crimes Bill (SB909)

Ok, I just read the account. wow, so 50 black boys attacked a family celebrating the 4th, and its NOT A HATE CRIME. I also read from the news that the man incurred hospital bills for the brutal beating and the man himself didnt fight back. He spent 5 nights in the critical care unit and racked up thousands in medical bills. ok who doesnt call this a racial hate crime.I can make the decision for the cops right now ..ITS A HATE CRIME..OR LETS SAY A CRIME PERIOD..BACK IN THE DAY..A CRIME WAS A CRIME.. when a huge gang of people like those blacks came along and worked over 5 people innocently celebrating the 4th..what is that..are we going back to the cowboy and indian movie days..where people can randomly hit your home. and the saying "we can expect it"what I would expect is decency and..now i think that all the black young men should pay for that mans hospital stay. In america we are going to have to charge the criminals for the pain and anguish of what they have done as well as serviing time..make them work in prision to earn money that is used to repair the damage they have done.

"and its NOT A HATE CRIME."

Says who?

Ok, I just read the account. wow, so 50 black boys attacked a family celebrating the 4th, and its NOT A HATE CRIME.

#132 | Posted by gratefulmouse

I guess you decided to start your reading somewhere AFTER the first sentence.

The 10,000 dollar question is would this have occurred if they were black people?

From what I read, it is racism and clearly a hate crime.

I surprise no black person posting here identify themselves and say the same thing.

The question with the police is what neighborhood is their majority of population? Who will scream the loudest.

Making mama proud of her kids.

Is any crime without hate?
Just asking. Why the extra time for certain hate?

Why the extra time for certain hate?

Because it's politically correct.

It's also a bunch of bullshit.

Assault is assault.

Rape is rape.

Murder is murder.

It isn't somehow "worse" when a person from a certain 'victim-group' is the target.

Actually there is a certain amount of justification for hate crimes laws.

1. historic discrmination against minorities has placed them in postions of less power.

2. psychological impact of hate crime on its victims is often stronger when bias is the reason for the crime.

3. terroristic ramifications of the hate crime, the victim's community will be impacted far more when bias is the reason for the crime.

to name just a few justifications.

Hate Crime = Thought Crime.

Murder is Murder, we already have degrees to boot.

Murder 1, Murder 2, Manslaughter 1 & 2 just examples that jump out in my mind.

well if murder is murder then why the degrees of murder?

We prosecute based on the motive, manslaughter vs Murder 1 vs Murder 2 etc. You made that very argument.

A drunk driver kills someone is handled differently from a serial killer is handled differently from someone who kills in the spur of the moment and regrets it later is handled differently from someone who plans and kills someone is handled differently from someone who kills due to negligence etc.

The very fact of degrees suggests that a degree based on bias is warranted as the biasing of the crime creates additional (and measurable mind you) damages.

using this thread as an example, assuming as I do that this is a hate crime, a simple assault would result in little if any jail time/punishment. However, the terror on the community (presuming here) that they feel, fear of retaliation, additional violence etc because of the biased nature of assault, makes this crime more severe than simple assault.

can't we just all get along?

They're not. Some would merely want to wait until all the facts are in. You, not so much; one side of the story seems more than enough for you to make up your mind.

#9 | Posted by Danforth

I would say that enough of the facts are in. A mob of black people attacking a white family saying this is a black world is fact enough for me to call it a hate crime. Why are you being so careful and reserving judgment, Danforth? If it were the other way around no doubt it would already be being called that.

I wonder how many of those who are saying to reserve judgment are the same ones saying MJ was a pedophile even though he was acquitted and the facts were in.

All of the above comments of mine come from Robert C Byrd's writings. Shalom, Shalom, pass me a loaf of bread

I just love using Demtards words against them...

Im Robert KKK Byrd....and I approve this message........hahahahah..fuck
....hahahahaha

I always thought if Nancy Polosi's plane ever had a blow out, that they could just use her face for a spare......libtards are useful for somethings..fucktards

I always thought if Nancy Polosi's plane ever had a blow out, that they could just use her face for a spare......libtards are useful for somethings..fucktards

#150 | Posted by carlinlives

That's a whole lotta hate and anger ya got there - something your namesake would have ridiculed and disdained.

Peace, bro.

"I would say that enough of the facts are in."

That's why you're not a judge. Real judges listen to both sides before rendering a verdict.

"A mob of black people attacking a white family saying this is a black world is fact enough for me to call it a hate crime."

Because that is only one side. Yes, it's most likely true. But there are many scenarios where one version seems damning, until you hear the rest of the story.

"Why are you being so careful and reserving judgment, Danforth?"

Because I don't like to throw around "hate crime" until I know ALL the facts.

"If it were the other way around no doubt it would already be being called that."

And you would be condemning it. See how that works?

A mob of black people attacking a white family saying this is a black world is fact enough for me to call it a hate crime."

Because that is only one side. Yes, it's most likely true. But there are many scenarios where one version seems damning, until you hear the rest of the story.

The ONLY way to justify that would be if the mob of black people attacked a KKK rally and said "this is a black nation." Otherwise, this is a hate crime by the very definition of "hate crime."

I have trouble believing that 50 black teens assaulted a couple of adult white males and their family members and the only injury that resulted was one man requiring hospitalization for five days.

My guess is that a group assault did take place, but the numbers were far lower than the family claimed.

That doesn't make it OK, of course, but as the story takes national attention it ought to be reported with more skepticism.

It's not a "hate crime" because white folks aren't a protected group. Just as the United States Attorney General:

"I have trouble believing that 50 black teens assaulted a couple of adult white males and their family members and the only injury that resulted was one man requiring hospitalization for five days"

Especially since the article was written two days, and published less than three days, after the event.

Danforth, I always like to wait for the whole story when a crime occurs as well. The fact that 50 black people accosted a white family is enough for me to believe that hate was involved. I don't care whether they chanted things or not. It was a black mob on a white family and that denotes an element of hatred.

And yes, if a mob of white people attacked a black family I would be calling it the same thing. The things is, I don't even like that we have hate crime legislation. I don't think it is needed. But since we do, I would have to rate this in that category.

"I don't care whether they chanted things or not. It was a black mob on a white family and that denotes an element of hatred."

But the white guy lied, we know that for a fact.

Why would you believe the rest of the story when there's an obvious lie in the middle of it?

"The fact that 50 black people accosted a white family is enough for me to believe that hate was involved."

But that "fact" was also proffered by the guy who lied. Are you sure it was 50? How?

Sorry, but I saw no where in the article that said the white guy lied. I did read that he ended up with a concussion and other injuries. Where did you get the lie part or are you just making it up for some ridiculous reason?

Black on white crime stats:

Would you believe the rest of the story when there's an obvious lie in the middle of it?

If Bill Clinton told us the story? Yes!!!

-the left

And maybe it wasn't 50, but it certainly was a gang. If I had to guess I would say that it probably was part of a gang. Gangs have no compunction about committing violence for no apparent reason. Besides, the number does not matter. It could have been two guys and it still could be because of hatred.

"If Bill Clinton told us the story? Yes!!!"

What was that about Deflectionforth?

How about you, Eb? Someone tells a story of an attack, and tells a whopper in the middle. Do you buy it all anyway?

Are we still talking about that pool incident?

"And maybe it wasn't 50, but it certainly was a gang."

How can you be sure of that when you know the guy lied about other things?

"It could have been two guys and it still could be because of hatred."

So now you've backpedaled to could? I thought you were ready to render verdict.

But please, before we go any further, address the obvious lie at the middle of the story.

Someone tells a story of an attack, and tells a whopper in the middle. Do you buy it all anyway?

what whopper?

"what whopper?"

Less than two days after the incident, he claimed the injuries put him in the hospital for five days.

Any alarm bells going off?

truth be told dan, that was reported, not a quote. Sounds like bad editing not the victim.

"that was reported, not a quote"

And where did the reporter get the statement?

He said he spent five nights in the critical care unit at Akron General Medical Center.

ooops sorry correct, however the story says he was attacked June 27.

link? I don't see it in the original story.

From the article:

Marshall was the most seriously injured. He suffered a concussion and multiple bruises to his head and eye. He said he spent five nights in the critical care unit at Akron General Medical Center.

Again, two days later, and he claims he's been in the CCU for five nights.

To this point the police so far have no witnesses, other than the victims, and no suspects because no one has been able to identify any of the attackers, according to ABC Channel 5 here.

"the story says he was attacked June 27."

My bad. I thought it was the fourth of July. Apologies.

Do we know how much time he actualy spent in the hospital?

To better answer your question Danforth.....Yes, if someone told a lie in the middle then why should we believe the rest of it?

""My bad. I thought it was the fourth of July. Apologies.""

Looks like you have your own preconceived mindset issues, Danforth. Is it so hard for you to come to grips with the fact that good and honest people, as well as mean and racist people, exist in all skin colors?

Do we know how much time he actualy spent in the hospital?

#178 | Posted by eberly

Oh, is this the new metric for deciding if something is a hate crime? The hospital length of staythat results?

Pathetic apologism.

"Looks like you have your own preconceived mindset issues, Danforth. "

No, someone upthread stated the attack was on July 4th. It was my mistake for not verifying it.

" Is it so hard for you to come to grips with the fact that good and honest people, as well as mean and racist people, exist in all skin colors?"

No. Is it so hard for you to come to grips with the fact that not all the facts are in, and that no attackers have been identified?

Oh, is this the new metric for deciding if something is a hate crime? The hospital length of staythat results?

No. That wasn't my point at all.

I'm not buying this guy's story.

DOZENS OF blacks?!?!?!?!?!?

Yet nobody in custody? No suspects? DOZENS of hyperactive kids rough up a white dude and nobody is talking huh?

Yeah right.

And fuck you too Susan Smith.

There are gang problems in Akron - but this doesn't really sound like gang stuff. No weapons of any kind used. And in the earlier reports, it said "children and teens".

(By the way, I was the one that screwed up earlier and misread that the attack was on the 4th)

The whole story just seems a little bit off, which is probably the reason the police weren't too quick to label this.

"African-Americans are incapable of racism, only evil white people (especially heterosexual males) are racist." -- The Left

#5 | Posted by member2586

"I make shit up to support my moronic agenda."

- member2586

#1,#2,#3, I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I have to go with Nanc on this one.

Sharpton and Rev. Jackson would have knocked over MJ's casket in their rush to get on a plane to Akron.

Sharpton and Rev. Jackson would have knocked over MJ's casket in their rush to get on a plane to Akron.

#187 | Posted by briwo

But the little wedge Nanc was trying to drive had nothing to do with what Sharpton or Jackson, or you, or I consider to be a hate crime or not.

She was pushing the "the police have a double standard" canard that is NOT supported by the facts (or lack thereof) of the case.

The police should be expected to be a bit more cautious about jumping to such serious conclusions than the general public, don't you think?

How can you be sure of that when you know the guy lied about other things?

Where does it say he lied? I read the article and it doesn't say it in there. Are you getting info from somewhere else?

That error was previously corrected.

What? The error that he lied. Did he or didn't he? And even if he lied about a portion that still doesn't mean that I don't believe the attack took place. I think the trip to the hospital proves that.

The error about the date of the attack. I made a mistake on it earlier, and Danforth inadvertently picked up on it.

Nobody said there wasn't any attack, so calm down.

oh, and to answer the query about how 50 teens inflicted so little damage.

3 or 4 jumping you could put a way worse whipping on you as they can ALL get at you with hits and kicks.

50 attackers is way too big a crowd and few could get close enough to strike a blow.

Most of you peple sound as though you have never been in a fight, let alone jumped before. When you are a group(gang) of youths out causing some trouble over the summer things go to far. Sorry RCade, but I am going to have to call you out on the "it probably wasn't 50 kids".......I bet it was. I am sure the man in the story and his familycan count, One does not confuse 15 with 50, it's not easy to do. I play football in Houston, TX in Missouri City. Any Houstonians will tell you it's not the place to be if your white. I have seen multiple fights in our league and never has it been one on one, everyone jumps in. Whomever was ther was involved, most likely.
Now to the wo main points= big kudos for this guy juming into a situation in which he knew he wasn't going o win, but did so for his family/friends....that's the kinda company I like to keep.
Lastly, no one out here will cal me a rightie or conservative, but if youcan't see this as a hate crim then your fucked up. Fact 1, no provocation for the fight. Fact 2, racist comments wee made during attack. Fact 3 all attackes were one race, atacking another race. Simple as pi, even for law enforcement.

The real reason police haven't jumped in and called it a hate crime s because they fear white Ohio's backlash.

LM

Seriously though. If 50 white teens had attacked a black family yelling this is our Nation, this is a White Nation!
What do you think the reaction from the media, Black Activists, and the NAACP (speaking of which, have you ever noticed that the heads of NAACP are all barely even black? Obama is darker than alot of them) would have been?

Again, this isn't about what you or I consider a hate crime - its what criteria the police have to consider before making a decision like that.

So far there are no witnesses except the victims and no one has been able to identify even 1 single perp. Is it unreasonable to think the cops might want to get a little more info.

What if this was a bunch of rednecks who got into a fight amongst themselves and beat the crap out of each other, then decided to claim a gang of black kids did it to them?

That probably isn't the case - but we don't know, now do we?

Briwo, the world would have came to a sudden stop, it would be 24/7 news coverage, Al the Pimp and 'I father bastard chillins' Jackson would be on the tv marching up down the streets, Hussein would issue a strong condemnation of the attacks, and OJ would be freed.

But of course, according to Sanatoinio, it was the 'red necks' beating their own white asses.

#194 | Posted by r_zeitgeist

You didn't used to be such a dumb shit.

Are there no witnesses to a mob of 50 black teens shouting racial statements?

#195: Huh? where have you been? Rexie has always been his same loveable self.

Are there no witnesses to a mob of 50 black teens shouting racial statements?

#196 | Posted by briwo

According to the latest from the ABC affiliate here, none except the victims themselves.

#195: Huh? where have you been? Rexie has always been his same loveable self.

#197 | Posted by briwo

I didn't say he hadn't always been an asshole. He just didn't used to be stupid, to boot.

#198: that does throw a little wrinkle in as I find it hard to believe no one saw a mob of 50 black teens.

Where was the family? At their house in a burb? outer city, urban area?

Were they still need the stadium?

near the stadium

UH, I am sure you know all about assholes San, but leave mine out of it.

Don't you have some rednecks to accuse of self beatings or something?

Hey Briwo, beat up any police officers on your nightly walks lately?

They were at a house in a neighborhood south Akron. Nobody else saw or heard them, and they didn't bother anyone else or vandalize/destroy any other property.

Don't you have some rednecks to accuse of self beatings or something?

#202 | Posted by r_zeitgeist

Stupid...

... and dishonest.

Nice.

As bad as things seem, in my personal life I've seen some evidence that a small but growing minority among "minority groups" (not just blacks) are more and more coming to believe that you really do judge a man by the content of his character rather than the color of his skin.

If my observation is correct, and if the trend continues, the days of Jesse and Al holding any power are numbered.

Well, as fun as it would be to sit around slapping the stupid off you two, it's time to go race around in my new hot rod..

Keep dreaming that you're a big, tough man, Zeitie.

I love this article it brought the true Skin heads, Nazis and nut cases out very nicely. Is the apparent attack racist if it happened as documented? Of course. However those of us with an education and no Swastika tattoo would like to wait for all the facts to come in from the investigation.

Ya know, some of us are using this case to show the folly of hate crime legislation. By the wording of the law, this fits the definition and should be charged. Whether they are guilty of a hate crime or not is for a court to decide, but they do meet the requirements for the charge. That it is not being applied in this case shows how wrong Hate Crime Laws are as applied in today's world. They are not universally wrong, but they are applied wrong and therefore need to be reexamined.

Hey Briwo, beat up any police officers on your nightly walks lately?

#202 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-07-10 02:33 PM |

No, I've been targeting dive bars at closing time and then beating the hell out of the drunkest fucker that tries to walk home.

Any homeboy shootings on the Hilltop lately?

Nobody said there wasn't any attack, so calm down.

#189 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

I'm not riled up. Not even close. Just trying to figure out where this lie thing came from. Figures Danforth would make such a big deal about such a small thing. A mistake on saying the wrong date is not an uncommon thing and he's saying the guy's lying about the whole thing because of it. Get a clue, Danforth.

Thanks for clearing it up though.

Ya know, some of us are using this case to show the folly of hate crime legislation. By the wording of the law, this fits the definition and should be charged. Whether they are guilty of a hate crime or not is for a court to decide, but they do meet the requirements for the charge. That it is not being applied in this case shows how wrong Hate Crime Laws are as applied in today's world. They are not universally wrong, but they are applied wrong and therefore need to be reexamined.

#209 | Posted by kanrei

Kan - It is not NOT being applied. The police simply don't have enough information, witnesses, or suspects to make the charge. At least not yet.

At face value it may meet the definition under Ohio law, but you couldn't make such a charge stick with such flimsy evidence, at this point.

One more time - the bottom line is that you or I or anyone else here may have our opinion as to whether or not this was a hate crime, the police are rightfully held to a higher standard of evidence than just a preliminary knee-jerk reaction.

I am saying the guy is a liar because dozens of black kids committing a single crime leads to arrests.

I wish we'd dump hate crimes as a special category. Let judges decide on a case by case basis whether racism should be a factor in sentencing, and judge criminals by what they did, not who they did it to.

Hate crime legislation doesn't make sense to begin with. We never take into consideration other things that lead people to commit a crime. Oh, sure it may come up in their trial but it never amounts to special sentencing. The legislation is bullshit and should be done away with. I mean, if you kill someone or beat the shit out of them, chances are that you hate them. Or, at least really really dislike them. Maybe hate crime criminals should use that as a defense. No your honor, I didn't hate the guy I just didn't like him that much.

"he's saying the guy's lying about the whole thing because of it. Get a clue, Danforth."

Fuck you. I recanted as soon as I found the error. You should try it sometime.

"if you kill someone or beat the shit out of them, chances are that you hate them. "

And chances are you know them.

That's a world of difference than setting out one night to kill a (fill in the blank with the epithet of your choice).

Sorry RCade, but I am going to have to call you out on the "it probably wasn't 50 kids".......I bet it was. I am sure the man in the story and his familycan count

If 50 teens decided as a group to kick somebody's ass, don't you think they would have done more damage? Also, how did they get there and where did they go -- that's 13 car loads of people. If they showed up on foot, where are the arrests?

The story just seems a bit embellished, either on purpose or because people who are being assaulted by a mob might not have a clear picture of how big the mob was.

Obviously this family didn't get the memo that white heterosexual Gentile males (WHGM) are a special demographic and forbidden from ever claiming they are the victim of a hate crime.

This is written in stone and in the by-laws of the self ordained hate police represented by groups such as the SPLC, ACLU and ADL. In their eyes the WHGM represents a permanent threat of bigotry and evil.

#219 | Posted by Robson

.... Failed to comprehend either the article, or the gist of the entire discussion ...

Do any of you remember the black mob running through Central Park in New York attacking whites? There's a name for the practice, which I can't recall. The nature of the outburst was minimized and apologists for the "poor kids," the perpetrators, began shortly after the arrests.

#114 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-07-09 12:47 PM

Well, at least you've heard both sides of the story before making up your mind....

"I would say that enough of the facts are in."

That's why you're not a judge. Real judges listen to both sides before rendering a verdict.

Gosh, there is enough "information" available for people to conclude there was a prima facie case of assault. Evidence necessary to support a verdict is not required. Is the information sufficient to support an allegation. The actions are as indicative of hate crime as they are of assault.

Gosh, the perps have the opportunity to refute the allegation. Why don't they come forward, and deny the attack and its motivation. Poor innocents.

Rogue, your position is particularly interesting since as I recall, and correct me if I am in error, when homosexuals are attacked you immediately assert that the attack was "a hate crime" just on the basis of the victim's sexual orientation. Why are you so adamant in applying a different standard in this case? Why is there this tip toeing when it comes to naming names so to speak and calling an apparent hate crime a hate crime until this is contested. There certainly seems to be a prima facie case of hate crime.

Are the defenders of the perps concerned that identifying the perps as "hate criminals" would inflame people against blacks? Is that the concern that results in denial of the salient facts?

If it were a white mob attacking blacks, I certainly wouldn't want to be aligned with the vicious criminals because they were white. I would denounce them just as vigorously. Lefties seem to be quite cautious in any criticism of any black behavior, however merited. I wonder why? I suppose that this reluctance to address black criminality reflects the innate racism of lefties. It may be "benign racism," but it is racism nevertheless.

I suppose this mentality is what allows lefties to denounce the racist policies of the KKK, and yet become apologists for a black racist such as Rev. Wright, and a man whom he mentored for two decades. You folks are so unforgiving when it comes to those involved with the KKK or Aryan Brotherhood, or a attending Christian Identity church, but are so forgiving of a man who chose to associate himself with black racism and "God damn America, hate whitey, hate Jews, hate-mongering for decades. Remarkable manipulation of your own minds.

"Gosh, there is enough "information" available for people to conclude there was a prima facie case of assault."

That's not the issue. Is there enough "information" available to conclude this was, beyond a reasonable doubt, a hate crime? No.

Fuck you. I recanted as soon as I found the error. You should try it sometime.

#216 | Posted by Danforth

I don't care when you recanted. You badgered me at least three times about the supposed lie and I didn't happen to see an apology for that. Not to mention, the supposed lie was about a date of the occurrence. It's not like he lied about the attack or something of a greater nature. I suppose you've never made a mistake when recalling the date of something happening. You like to insult too much and name call, so fuck you too.

And as soon as I am found to be wrong about something I have posted I will certainly make amends for it. Why should I try it sometimes if it hasn't happened to me. You're pretty stupid, Danforth, to say something like that. Stupid in general really. You spent all day yesterday accusing the wrong people about believing the account of an insider. You just kept on raging spewing your garbage at anyone who was trying to talk to you. In Texas we call people like that Assholes.

And chances are you know them.

That's a world of difference than setting out one night to kill a (fill in the blank with the epithet of your choice).

#217 | Posted by Danforth

What does whether you know someone or not have to do with hating them. My point was if you are going to have a hate crime shouldn't it be applied to all crimes involving hatred? In your mind it only applies when race is involved and that's half the problem with the law.

Rogue, your position is particularly interesting since as I recall, and correct me if I am in error, when homosexuals are attacked you immediately assert that the attack was "a hate crime" just on the basis of the victim's sexual orientation. Why are you so adamant in applying a different standard in this case?

#221 | Posted by Johnson

You would be, not surprisingly, incorrect. I have very mixed feelings about hate crimes laws and see both sides of the argument.

And in this particular thread I have never once said this might not very well be a hate crime. I've only argued that the police are not employing any double standard by not labeling it as such pending further evidence.

But you don't really care, do you, since you were simply looking for any excuse to launch into another one of your endless meaningless tirades.

Murphy...smoke your bong some more and you might regress to reality. Abortion has nothing whatsoever to do with the issue of fictitious hate crimes and the real problem at hand....but Karl Rove knew that too but he kept trying to make it the central issue to get votes.

Anyone who believes street gangs don't target their victims based upon ethnicity deserves to have their head stuck up their ass. These groups represent the essence of bigots and racists.

"WILDING" was the term someone was looking for to describe gangs of most often predatory black or Hispanic youth that attack innocent victims.

Get a rope...

Wilding. Yes. Thanks.

#226 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2009-07-10 05:49 PM

And in this particular thread I have never once said this might not very well be a hate crime. I've only argued that the police are not employing any double standard by not labeling it as such pending further evidence.

It is all subject to rebuttal. For all I know, the entire story was untrue. If the other elements are valid, then the "hate crime" aspect would be just as valid as it is proven by the same elements.

But you don't really care, do you, since you were simply looking for any excuse to launch into another one of your endless meaningless tirades.

You would be, not surprisingly, incorrect ...

This story sounds like it was fabricated in order to race bait people.. especially in that there is zero evidence to support the guy's claims. Instead, it seems that the facts are contradicting his claims. Most glaringly: he and his family appear to have no injuries in the photo posted of them.

I'm at a loss as to what "further evidence" would be required to establish a prima facie case, Rogue.

#231 | Posted by Johnson

Oh gee, I don't know. Maybe even one witness other than the victims who saw or heard this thundering herd of kids rampaging in a residential neighborhood?

Maybe the identification of even 1 suspect?

Obviously these people were assaulted. But by whom or for what reason cannot be determined. It would be idiotic for the police to declare this a hate crime based on virtually nothing.

and judge criminals by what they did, not who they did it to.

#214 | Posted by rcade at 2009-07-10 03:13 PM |

lol. That flies in the face of liberalism.

Just ask Sotomeyer

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"African-Americans are incapable of racism, only evil white people (especially heterosexual males) are racist." -- The Left

#5 | Posted by member2586 at 2009-07-09 09:26 AM | Reply | Flag:Moron

Actually if you want to get down to it we are: A Constitutinal Republic with our Representatives being Elected through Democratic Process.

Not quite a "Democracy", but then again...Just change the way you say it, repeat it 1000 times and hey, you might get some morons to believe you.

"If 50 teens decided as a group to kick somebody's ass, don't you think they would have done more damage? Also, how did they get there and where did they go -- that's 13 car loads of people. If they showed up on foot, where are the arrests?

The story just seems a bit embellished, either on purpose or because people who are being assaulted by a mob might not have a clear picture of how big the mob was."

Let's paint a simple picture....50 teens went to an organized event and met up. They decided to leave the event a bit early(while most everyone is still there). During their walk there is some alchol consumed. They come across a family they view as rednecks partying in their yard and there is no one around. They decide to go over and pick a fight. The group moves over and just a few people start the fight it quickly escalates to everyone close to a "white person" is throwing and kicking. As quickly as it starts the kids are scared of getting caught and run off. Now, did all 50 technically hit someone, probably not. The group used it's size and shouting to induce fear. Again, correct me if I am wrong, but have you ever been jumped? I posted about being jumped by six adults with beer bottles and I only got a black eye. A bunch of teens kicking and punching a few adults who are covered up, no I don't expect a ton of damage, unless steel tipped boots are involved. I don't understand the "if on foot where is the arrest?". When in the article did it say someone rushed in to call police? I think it says everyone was outside during whole event till the kids took off. I don't have to tell you, a bunch of kids dispersing a fight scene with a minimum of 3-5 minute head start on the cops, no chance for arrest. Additionally 13 cars!! Man, I remember being 16 and there being 11 of us in one car going to drive in.Ttour the hood(regardless of race), no one rolls less than 6 deep in those cars, and a cadi might have like 20 people in it......

LM

Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are busy right now ...

You lefties that voted for Flopears HAD TO HAVE KNOWN crap like this would happen , didn't you????

Did you expect even a small fraction of the hip hop culture to accept Obama's victory with dignity and grace?

DO I GIVE ONE TINY SHIT about the black youth group who were asked not to come back to the PRIVATE club in Philly?

methinks no

#11 | Posted by 8roper at 2009-07-09 09:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

We "HAD TO HAVE KNOWN"??

Did you know that right-wing terrorists would shoot up the Holocaust Museum??

Did you know that right-wing terrorists would call for an armed revolution becuse theyre candidate lost???

Surely you "HAD TO HAVE KNOWN".

Did the scary black man carve a backwards 'B' on their face??

Amazing, ehh?

Any thread with serious content lasts maybe two days.

But put 'race' in the headline and it's a week-long story.

Remember that next time. When you want to say "Fed Raises Basis Rate .5%" you should change it to "Racist Fed Changes Rate to Oppress Minorities."

Hell, Rogers may promote it with a banner headline

where is the white mans al and jesse? there would have been some arrest by now.