"Several years ago we made a conscious decision that we need to be in the news and information business, and that printing was better left to professional commercial printers."

And not to overpaid underperforming union hacks. Here comes Danheitsbotforth to explain why a lib paper dumped all over their union, and yet it's ok because Obammy is in office. Watch.

my-my-my - what next for californistan?

WHO LEFT THE BOLD ON???

Liberals can't make money working together. Either you go non-union, or you crawl to Washington and ask for a bailout.

A large part of the fiscal problems in California stems from the clout that the powerful public sector unions have over the Democrat-controlled state legislature and other Democratic officials who routinely grant the unions costly benefits and salaries while increasing the number of state employees, even during the current budget crisis.

So the paper is a government entity? what shit are you smoking Cookfish? Or, like sarush, are you just floating downstream?

bold off?

I LOVE IT

"Liberals can't make money working together. Either you go non-union, or you crawl to Washington and ask for a bailout."

I'm sure SAG will be thrilled to hear it's on the list of bailees.

"overpaid underperforming union hacks."

They may be overpaid in today's market.

But calling them underperforming, without a shred of proof, is the real hackery. Just Cookie the Monkey, throwing his daily dose of excrement.

Unions caused this shit. I LOVE IT.

Watch how wages erode further and further as the unions disappear one by one. I'm sure you making the comments are small business owners that pay their employees shit. I tried working for small business before I joined the union and all I can say is fuck that ever again. I get double the vacation and 10 dollars more an hour now.

Just look what unions did to the Steel, Manufacturing and Auto industries.

Hope and change

SUCKERS

I an glad to see the Chronicle is "Pro-America".

How much money does one get paid to work on a chicken farm? 10-11 bucks an hour with no benefits? You are a slave wager and your employees should quit.

They are illegals and work harder than you ever would and don't complain you stupid fuck. BTW, I pay them a fair wage for the work they do, which I am sure is more than you earn at BK.. That is why unions are going to shit.

You would not last one day here, pathetic soul. We actually work for a living here.

They are illegals and work harder than you ever would and don't complain you stupid fuck. BTW, I pay them a fair wage for the work they do, which I am sure is more than you earn at BK.. That is why unions are going to shit.

#14 | Posted by chickenrancher

Fair wage my ass. You shouldn't be paying them anything of they are illegals. I need to find where you live and call ICE so they can lock your ass up. You exploit the illegals for 7 bucks an hour if they are lucky. I wish nothing but misfortune for you.

I am quite sure you have never had a job. Leave your parents basement and get a life boy. Time to go BBQ some chicken.

Later

I am glad to see the Chronicle is "Pro-America".
#12 | Posted by chickenrancher

Unlike yourself...

They are illegals and work harder than you ever would and don't complain you stupid fuck.
#14 | Posted by chickenrancher

Not that they need to be union employees, but hiring illegals is well........Anti-American.

Don't choke CHICKENINOVEN on a chicken bone.

Looks like i've found the rightwing circle jerk thread.

"Looks like i've found the rightwing circle jerk thread.

That JACKASS, RASTANINCOMPOOP, is a rightwinger??? Coulda fooled me.

Hola pollo de ranchero.

Pinche la migra.

Chinga tu madre. Traidor.

Chickeninovenrancher is Anti-American. He must be killed, or at least flayed.

I worked in the union once. Half-assed workers with no ethic. And just try to criticize their shitty work habits and you actually CAN get fired. I fucking hated it

They are illegals

Well that would make you a traitor.

However, I think you are full of shit.

Liberals can't make money working together. Either you go non-union, or you crawl to Washington and ask for a bailout.

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tell it to the finance union windbag.

So what? They just shouldn't dump over other companies who do this kind of stuff in the editorials.

For that matter, California should suspend all prevailing wage laws. There, I said it. See what the Chron. says in the editorial about that concept if it ever comes up.

I think it is interesting that canada is getting american newspaper business considering that they have national health care and other socialism in their system. They seem to be run more efficiently eh?

Or, like sarush, are you just floating downstream?

#4 | Posted by northguy3 at 2009-07-06 06:49 PM | Reply

first irrelevant Palin reference .... and it only took three posts!

From a non-American!~!!!

Just look what unions did to the Steel, Manufacturing and Auto industries.

#11 | Posted by chickenrancher at 2009-07-06 09:11 PM | Reply

Now, let's be fair, Chick Lover. The unions made Right to Work mean something, building the industrial South.

Thanks to the unions you can buy a world class Hyundai, built in Alabama

And yet again I think it's interesting that in places like france/england/canada/etc they have these industries, and yet seem to be able to also afford national health care and other socialism. Interesting eh?

When I was a broadcast engineer I hit "the ceiling" as far as I was concerned in Houston, since it was the largest non-union broadcast market in the US.

Unions clearly have their place in the development of labor-management relations over American history.

In my particular case they were unacceptable and I chose to abandon broadcasting as a career and go back to college; That was a good thing.

I think it is interesting that canada is getting american newspaper business considering that they have national health care and other socialism in their system. They seem to be run more efficiently eh?

#28 | Posted by Shawn at 2009-07-07 07:58 PM | Reply |

Damn, you are really fucking dense. Like a dwarf star maybe

A Canadian subsidiary IN CALIFORNIA will print the paper, oh ye of few neurons. It has absofuckinglutely NOTHING to do with Canuck health care nor other Canuck socialism.

Ah vermin tries a run around. The fact that america imports much of its raw matericals as well simply escapes him.

You have no answer vermin.

Other countries seem to be able to afford run their industries just fine AND have socialist systems to keep people off the streets.

That just burns your 6 inch thick titanium skull. Just can't handle reality.

#23 | Posted by mOntecOre

Nice brown shirted liberal attitude.

BTW, they work harder than the white folk.

Nice to see you libs HATE ILLEGALS.

"and yet seem to be able to also afford national health care and other socialism. Interesting eh?"

Yeah???? HOw many Stealth Bombers do they have????

I feel safe at night knowing STealth Bombers are protecting me.

You might check and see that these other countries are going broke and their health systems actually are not good for anyone over 60 years old and are also running out of money. As far as keeping people off the street, I guess their 15-20% plus unemployment helps also.

Nice to see that an illegal employer has come out of the closet. Sonny boy, you are gonna be shut down.

Good move getting away from the mafia control, Government Motors will never make a cent. It will be a cancer just like Amtrak. Unions will be the downfall of America along with obama's socialist party.

You might check and see that these other countries are going broke and their health systems actually are not good for anyone over 60 years old and are also running out of money. As far as keeping people off the street, I guess their 15-20% plus unemployment helps also.

#38 | Posted by DarwinWasRight

Or we "might check and see" that you're full of shit. Prove your own statements.

BADEYE speaks truth with power.

And yet again I think it's interesting that in places like france/england/canada/etc they have these industries, and yet seem to be able to also afford national health care and other socialism. Interesting eh?

#31 | Posted by Shawn at 2009-07-07 08:33 PM

when your tax rate reaches as high as 52.7%, it's no wonder you can afford it all (France, on 46,343+ euros in 2002)

eat the rich, right? why don't you just move there?

oh and don't forget that those who can afford it buy supplemental insurance for their national healthcare. i call bullshit.

how do you commies like the most liberal national paper in the country outsourcing, userping the unions, and undermining this nation's economy? does that shit sandwitch taste good? smells like ass to me. next time i see SFC write an article favoring union bullshit, i'm going to throw up on my puter, clean it off and mail it to the writer.

Newspapers need to go online. There is really no need to still print the news.

I feel safe at night knowing STealth Bombers are protecting me.

--------

Yup. And that surveillance system in your cellphone is in your interest too.

#34 | Posted by Shawn at 2009-07-07 08:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

What a lame ass attempt at a weak deflection.

You were the retard who said "canada is getting american newspaper business considering that they have national health care"

Canada IS NOT getting the manufacturing (printing) business.

I called you on your obvious stupidity and it hurt your tender feelings.

Well Boo-fucking-hoo. You are an idiot, and if the truth hurts then you should be accustomed to it by now

"The fact that america imports much of its raw matericals as well simply escapes him."

Shawn shows off his stupidity again. Apparently you never had 4th grade Social Studies, moron, let alone Econ101.

The US also exports plenty of raw matericals (sic) like coal, lumber, and a host of metals and food. The US imports what is economical to import, like oil and copper.

Besides that, many countries import a lot more raw matericals (sic) like Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, Israel. Importing raw matericals and exporting finished products is a GOOD thing, dumbass.

I feel safe at night knowing STealth Bombers are protecting me.

#37 | Posted by danni at 2009-07-07 09:10 PM | Reply

Those aircraft were built by American union members.

Danni, why do you hate Americans? Why do you hate high-pay union manufacturing jobs?

Do you really want every manufacturing job to offshore to China? You're worse than Algore!

Interesting, everyone bashes the union and point that the union took down steel, auto...etc..

Funny but all those industries that get rid of the union fail, those industries that still have the union are still here.

Will not be long for the newspaper industry to fail, by all means...get rid of the unions...its good for America.

moneywar if we get rid of all unions watch how fast wages fall in all industries. I get more vacation, higher pay and better benefits since I started working for the union.

if we get rid of all unions watch how fast wages fall in all industries. I get more vacation, higher pay and better benefits since I started working for the union.

Such a position can be justified except for the "working for the union" which is where you weaken your assertion.

Unions keep wages following inflation, as wages should be.

Get rid of the union and the industry fails, keep the union and the industry is successful.

#42 BADEYE speaks dittohead.

Unions have been in decline for three decades; during that time wages have stagnated. Coincidence? No.

A main reason wages are falling, is because of the flood of illegal workers. In this particular case, union workers have been replaced by illegal aliens.

Sooo when your hero the zero forces amnesty and open borders through....please remember that you were so distracted by his holiness that you forgot about the impact on America's society and Workers.............because you had your head up his ass

worked at beth steel once,started sweeping around my work area trying to make a good impression,the union rep came up and chewed my ass out for trying to take someone's fucking job away,so from then on i learned how to play hearts and spades in the break room a couple hours a day.

vermin you are an embarrassment to the human race.

Best ignored, and I think i will...

Best ignored, and I think i will...

#59 | Posted by Shawn at 2009-07-08 08:03 AM | Reply | Flag: SORE LOSER

Funny but all those industries that get rid of the union fail, those industries that still have the union are still here.

#51 | Posted by moneywar at 2009-07-08 01:42 AM | Reply

Steel is alive and well, you idiot, in the non-union South.

The American auto industry is alive and well, and exporting vehicles -- but they are Hondas, Toyotas, Nissans, Mercedes, Hyundais, Isuzus, etc.

What do they have in common?

Hmmmmmm .......... no unions

The newspaper industry (in which I worked for years and love to this day) is dying because of 1. technology, and 2. Liberalism.

Papers used to be able to control the access to information: They had the printing presses.

Today, most reporters are lazy and don't dig out real news; they are trained to re-type press releases written by PR flacks.

Look at your local paper and count how many sports stories are on Page One every day. The only thing people buy a paper for is local sports. Nobody relies anymore on the local paper to be a watchdog on local government.

Hell, I've been there: writing about the Utility Commission or the Planning Commission is hard werk! Easier to just retype this press release about how healthy it is to eat Wonder Bread!

Today, most reporters are lazy and don't dig out real news; they are trained to re-type press releases written by PR flacks.

Look at your local paper and count how many sports stories are on Page One every day. The only thing people buy a paper for is local sports. Nobody relies anymore on the local paper to be a watchdog on local government.

Hell, I've been there: writing about the Utility Commission or the Planning Commission is hard werk! Easier to just retype this press release about how healthy it is to eat Wonder Bread!

#61 | Posted by vernon at 2009-07-08 08:29 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Geez, Vernon, where to start? I was a reporter for years too. I worked my ass off and covered as many as three or four stories a day. The folks still at the paper are working harder still, because management has done nothing but cut cut cut (staff, resources and pay) over the past 20 years. I'm in the PR biz now, and believe me, reporters are no more interested in reprinting my press releases than they were when I was a reporter. They're overworked, not lazy - they have to now take their own pics and do blogging and other online stuff in addition to their regular beats, with fewer colleagues to do it all.

Newspapers are dying because of the Internet, and their demise has been hastened by the decline of advertising and a sick economy. They're also still scrambling to figure out their role in the face of the 24-hour news cycle, in which hard-news scoops in print are virtually impossible against cable and online news. With fewer resources and less top-down commitment to substantive reporting, most newspapers do less of the watchdog stuff that you and I agree is critical, choosing instead to focus on celebrity gossip, fashion, entertainment and other fluff. Which unfortunately is what most broadcast media cover as well.

Hard news is hard to follow. Reality, like war and oil and the economy, is complicated. Fluff is easier, and the gullible masses lap it up. Keep it simple, stupid. Everything in its place. Politics and social issues are reduced to left vs. right and Democrat vs. Republican, pro vs. con, like it's really that simple. Michael Jackson, Oprah, Brangelina, Paris Hilton, Obama vs. Rush, Pelosi vs. Newt - and on and on. Throw in a little T&A, and you're done. That's the news media's bread and butter now. Mindless but amusing.

Get rid of the union and the industry fails, keep the union and the industry is successful.

That statement is complete bullshit. However, I don't blame so many of the woes of industries like auto because of unions.
Unions are not necessarily why the auto industry is struggling but... That statement is complete bullshit.

Cbob more or less has it. The corporate media is nothing more than propaganda by the powerful. And imbeciles like vermin will continue to buy it because they love to suck the cocks of those powerful in the hopes that some jizm will trickle down to their anxiously awaiting mouths.

I don't see a real difference in what the 2 said.

They both agreed on many points. The only real disagreement was whether or not reporters work hard today. That argument is nothing but ideology.

Take your trolling elsewhere dickface.

Ah, another reichwing shithead enters the fray!

I know you have to run in packs for support(ideas aren't really your forte), but when you get all your talking points from the same reichwing sponsored pr rag it gets old fast. If you can't actually 'think' up something, you could at least follow vermins model of self delusional hypocritical corporate cock sucking with something from somewhere else. You might not be able to make a cognizant point, but at least you could rise to the level of a barely passable clown.

WHAT???

but this cant be. I specifically remember obama PROMISING us that he was putting an end to this stuff..........

and this is just the beginning if dems are allowed to continue their efforts.

just as was said earlier this morning....WHEN people of the moderate and even some moderate leftists start HURTING over some of these policies, THEN something will be done about it...

NOVEMBER OF 2110

Afka, I'm sure your #67 post made sense to you, and that's all that really matters.

#66 | Posted by Shawn at 2009-07-08 10:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

none that rant had anything to do with what I posted dumbshit. my point was that CBOB and Vernon were actually pretty close in their opinions.

you are still a worthless troll.

you could at least follow vermins model of self delusional hypocritical corporate cock sucking with something from somewhere else.

what a pussy.

Afka, I'm sure your #67 post made sense to you, and that's all that really matters.

#68 | Posted by cbob at 2009-07-08

gee IM sorry that I was talking over your head....

my point was that I remember obama promising to keep jobs from going overseas and doing it at the same time he accused mccain's policies WHICH WERE BUSH"S OF COURSE>...accused his of sending lots of jobs overseas.....

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm what happened with that??

That is the point afka. The democrats are corporatist shit just like the republicans.

There are no real liberals in power or media. Not one.

I assume you are speaking of 'classic libera' rather than progresives we have now..correct?
no??

I'm speaking of classic liberalism yes. Not European neo-liberals who are the american neo-cons or just plain nazis.

Yes, they have also co-opted the word 'progressive' to mean fascist mercantilism, which I have repeatedly denounced here.

Shawn, who do you like politically?

gotcha

and progressive apparently isnt limited to democrats either as I was surprised to learn by reading about TR,..........a republican but one who got us started on progressive move

as I understand it..a classic liberal would never be in favor of something such as 'fairness doctrine' as it would be something that would silence a voice in the debate.
is THAT sort of the right idea....

castro

A main reason wages are falling, is because of the flood of illegal workers. In this particular case, union workers have been replaced by illegal aliens.

Sooo when your hero the zero forces amnesty and open borders through....please remember that you were so distracted by his holiness that you forgot about the impact on America's society and Workers.............because you had your head up his ass

#57 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2009-07-08 06:52 AM

The notion of a "liberal" Chronicle is much like the notion of a "liberal" press. Oh, it once had a few forward looking employees whose social attitudes sometimes showed in spite of the "ethics" that management tries to drill into us. But I kept hearing about how every even numbered fall the "old man" descended from "the tower" to remind the troops that "we are a Republican paper and endorse Republicans." That may have changed, but with journalism ever more corporate and bottom line-oriented, I doubt it. herm

What do republicans have against decent wages? The KIA plant in GA pays This:

Competitive Compensation

Hourly:

* Production Team Member:
Start - $14.90/hr., Top-Out $23.50/hr.
* Maintenance/Die Maintenance Team Member:
Start $20.80/hr., Top-Out $27.00/hr.
* Rotating Shift Premium: $1.00/hr.
* Bonus Program
* Overtime Pay

These wages are shit if you ask me. I can't get by on 27.00 an hour and I'm single not trying to raise a family. The average maintenance worker in my union plant is up over 35 bucks an hour.

* Production Team Member:
Start - $14.90/hr., Top-Out $23.50/hr.

You're kidding me jackass I'm a single parent and I'd kill my own mother for pay like that. I could buy a piece of land, put up a nice little cottage, buy a recent 4x4 and move up to a better class of Scotch/cigars with that kinda money.

The more you promote unions this way the more I start to believe the anti-union folk.

I have too many bills. One of my cars would end up getting repossessed if I had to live on 23 an hour.

One of my cars is paid off but the other one and the bike still have payments.

You're kidding me jackass I'm a single parent and I'd kill my own mother for pay like that. I could buy a piece of land, put up a nice little cottage, buy a recent 4x4 and move up to a better class of Scotch/cigars with that kinda money.

It isn't the unions fault you are underpaid. Unions pay a decent wage. We aren't lazy either. We bust our ass. We get 30 mins for lunch and have 2 15 minute breaks. We don't sit on our ass all day like people think we do. I think a lot of republicans are jealous and that is why they hate unions. They either are small business owners that pay substandard wages or are workers that get paid shit and take it rather than join a union.

It isn't the unions fault you are underpaid

No jackass I'm not underpaid you're overpaid

Umm no I am not. I work on complex equipment. I believe I am compensated fairly.

A main reason wages are falling, is because of the flood of illegal workers. In this particular case, union workers have been replaced by illegal aliens.

Sooo when your hero the zero forces amnesty and open borders through....please remember that you were so distracted by his holiness that you forgot about the impact on America's society and Workers.............because you had your head up his ass

#57 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2009-07-08 06:52 AM | Reply | Flag

You don't pay attention too much. Unions don't allow illegals unless they get the same rate as everyone else.

As union declines so does the industry, it is a symbiotic relationship protecting each other from the malaise of corporate ignorant greed.

You're kidding me jackass I'm a single parent and I'd kill my own mother for pay like that. I could buy a piece of land, put up a nice little cottage, buy a recent 4x4 and move up to a better class of Scotch/cigars with that kinda money.

The more you promote unions this way the more I start to believe the anti-union folk.

#80 | Posted by Gimme_a_Scotch at 2009-07-08 09:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

If you are making less the 14 per hour there no reason you should be buying ANY class of scotch and cigars.......something tells me you are full of shit.

It isn't the unions fault you are underpaid

No jackass I'm not underpaid you're overpaid

#84 | Posted by Gimme_a_Scotch at 2009-07-08 10:14 PM | Reply | Flag

The delusions of people who think money is status for lordship. Never wanting anyone making near as much as them because they lose there own mental status.

If you are making less the 14 per hour there no reason you should be buying ANY class of scotch and cigars.......something tells me you are full of shit.

I don't overindulge and I savor both whenever I do indulge. From my previous experience of overindulging it's much more enjoyable that way. Plus I don't feel the need to keep up with the Joneses and waste my money on the latest styles and gizmos. S12 an hour is just dandy if you're not a spendthrift.

The delusions of people who think money is status for lordship.

That describes union people I thought you were pro union

S12 an hour is just dandy if you're not a spendthrift.

#89 | Posted by Gimme_a_Scotch

I have a masters degree. I'll be damned if I settle for 12 bucks an hour.

Scotch,

Why the charade, you make far more than you are letting on and you know nothing about unions.

To bad you're not intellectual enough to post a position that make sense.

If you have a masters degree, you don't have to settle for 12 bucks an hour. That's the point. Stay in school. Take advantage of our free education system. Scrimp, save, sacrifice and put the rest of your life on hold while you put yourself through college. Work your tail off at a menial job until you get your college degree. Use your degree to get a good, high paying job. Become a productive member of society. Listen to people complain about how it's "not fair" that you have money and they don't.

versus

Drop out of high school. Piss away our free education system. Get a job where you have to say "You want fries with that?". Go on unemployment went you get fired. Or get a seasonal job and go on unemployment for half the year. Have a kid and go on welfare. When you pick up your welfare check, complain about how long you had to wait for it and how it's not enough. Have another kid and get more welfare. There are plenty of people with masters degrees who will soon be paying more in taxes to make sure you don't have to work any harder.

Why the charade, you make far more than you are letting on

Ha-ha ha-ha come and visit me at my hovel and tell me that to my face. Trust me you won't be able to you'll be offering me alms.

Matta fact I'm gonna make that an open offer to every Retorter except Buffoon Boob, Northgay, jackass and that beech from Texas. Yes I notably didn't put Sandie Andie and rcade on my no visit list cause they're welcome as are Spudmeister, Goatman, Chrissy, Diablo, Nanc, Murphy, that ex bus driver from FL whose name escapes me at the moment and all the rest including you moneywar.

gimmeadollar is terrified of libs. Otherwise he would allow libs to visit his residence.

No jackass I don't like jerks like you I said everybody but the jerks are welcome and Sandie Andie and rcade are Libs and they're welcome so once again your conclusions are nothing but shit

I'm not a jerk. You are just upset you never made anything of yourself and are broke because of it.

Sorry jackass but the only thing I'm upset with is the government thinking that they know what's best for me as far as my life I'm content with what I've made of myself my whole life and my dignity is intact. You on the other hand....oh why bother your handle screams to the world that you know what you are.

The govt does know what's best for you. If there was socialism you would be able to drink all the cutty sark and chivas regal you could handle.

"If there was socialism you would be able to drink all the cutty sark and chivas regal you could handle."

Oh, man, are you in for a nasty surprise....

"If there was socialism you would be able to drink all the cutty sark and chivas regal you could handle."

Oh, man, are you in for a nasty surprise....

#100 | Posted by Danforth

Quick somebody check Hell I have good reason to believe it's freezing right now

Gimme imagine being able to afford something different than the night train you usually purchase at the liquor store. Well when you get to live in govt housing and get govt insurance you have extra money to buy real liquor.

jackass what mailorder "college" did you get your "Masters" from? The reason I ask is I wanna help you get your money back.

University of Siberia. Too bad we didn't learn anything from the old USSR.