I'm sure your average Joe gets the same access

Retired members of congress.

Go figure.

wonder if any of them apologize for the 120,000 Americans who die each year due to medical mistakes?

Sort of makes al queda look like pussies, doesn't it?

With profits so high they can afford to spend $1.4 million a day to try and prevent an end to their gravy train. Dispicable scum.

wonder if any of them apologize for the 120,000 Americans who die each year due to medical mistakes?

idiot

idiot

#5 | Posted by eberly at 2009-07-06 04:35 PM

Now that wasn't very Xtian-like bibile boy!

Lobbying ought to be a capital crime.

Now that wasn't very Xtian-like bibile boy!

why not? I'm telling the plain truth.

"wonder if any of them apologize for the 120,000 Americans who die each year due to medical mistakes?"

The Answer is No. These Americans Died becuase I hated them.

Sincerely

eberly's jesus

...and out come the wolves!

dickville's post was actually funny.

The Answer is No. These Americans Died becuase I hated them.

I'm pretty sure he hated the non-Americans as well.

That's what he told me anyway.

Overall, health-care companies and their representatives spent more than $126 million on lobbying in the first quarter, leading all other industries.

And it will pay off. they will get their money's worth as there will be no real change in the structure of health care.

Do you expect MDs, hospitals, and anybody who sells goods and services to those entities to sit by and watch the govt take over their livelyhood?

I just wonder, do lobbyists anger Tea Party folks????
Or do they have to wait until they are told how they fell about them???
Thing is, there is so much more to be angry about with these lobbyists than there is with President Obama trying to keep us out of a depression.

The framers of the Constitution wanted the citizens to be able to petition their congress, they just forgot to set a minimum payment due.

How do you participate (get heard) against $1.4 million per day?

That's what he told me anyway.

Now that's funny.

Thing is, there is so much more to be angry about with these lobbyists than there is with President Obama trying to put us into a depression.

I need to learn how to spend my way out of a spending problem...sounds easy.

Lobbying ought to be a capital crime.
#7 | Posted by MaryTylerWhore
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MTW...protected under the Constitution

Wonder what's the minimum payment to buy a SC Justice

In 1886 the SC gave corporations the same rights as living persons under the 14 Amendment . . . in the case of Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad Company, the U.S. Supreme Court decided that a private corporation is a person and entitled to the legal rights and protections the Constitutions affords to any person.

Far more remarkable, however, is that the doctrine of corporate personhood, which subsequently became a cornerstone of corporate law, was introduced into this 1886 decision without argument. According to the official case record, Supreme Court Justice Morrison Remick Waite simply pronounced before the beginning of argument in the case of Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad Company that

The court does not wish to hear argument on the question whether the provision in the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, which forbids a State to deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws, applies to these corporations. We are all of opinion that it does.

MMike is exactly right. As long as corporations have constitutional rights, democracy in this country will be a fiction.

People that pay for their own insurance will still have their choice. The real change will be when employers will find the covering their employees will be less expensive when they have group coverage supplied by the government.

It's easy.

PPO's will have the same coverage.

HMO's will be administered by a government bureaucracy. It'll be less expensive for the patient and the employer, ie; shitty health care.

Besides, this whole "health care" subject is a diversion. It keeps the public thinking about something else while the Fed gets fleeced.

...same as the old boss.

MMike is exactly right.

Yep.

Thus it was that a two-sentence assertion by a single judge elevated corporations to the status of persons under the law, prepared the way for the rise of global corporate rule, and thereby changed the course of history.

Why did Morrison Waite hate America?

"Why did Morrison Waite hate America?"

Why do the current members of the SC continue to hate America??

Why do the current members of the SC continue to hate America??

They don't like Lesbians?

Theodore Roosevelt was the 26th (19011909) President of the United States... a man of our times!

Too late for 1886

One of his first notable acts as President was to deliver a 20,000-word address to Congress on December 3, 1901,[3] asking it to curb the power of large corporations (called "trusts") "within reasonable limits." For his aggressive attacks on trusts over his two terms he has been called a "trust-buster."

And too early for 2009

He was the first U.S. president to call for universal health care and national health insurance.[6][7]

Do you expect MDs, hospitals, and anybody who sells goods and services to those entities to sit by and watch the govt take over their livelyhood?
#12 | Posted by eberly

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eberly...it's the market place (competition) isn't that what it's all about

do correct me if i'm wrong...but back in the day. corporations were required to meet the conditions of a charter to demonstrate that they had the public's best interest in mind...right?

profit over people is a philosophy which is demonstrably nonsustainable. time for a new approach...

a corporation is nothing more than government without public input.

GEE DANNI

I dont know

why dont you get back to us after the dems talk to SOROS and moveon and after the white house enemies list phone call form rhom to cnn and THEN tell us what YOU think,,,

I just wonder, do lobbyists anger Tea Party folks????
Or do they have to wait until they are told how they fell about them???
Thing is, there is so much more to be angry about with these lobbyists than there is with President Obama trying to keep us out of a depression.

#13 | Posted by danni at 2009-07-06 05:14 PM

of course they do missy..........

so let me get this straight...obama is keeping us out of a depression by turning your grandchldrens children into economic slaves??? I didnt know that..

of course lobbyists suck....but I am sure that your rage is on 'selective' lobbyists isnt it..
for instance I am sure you would gladly donate to a make pot legal lobbby wouldnt you?
in other words, we all have a different take on them depending on the issue....

so why not make them all illegal.
or is that something that dems COULDNT do and stay in the good graces of george soros...one of the biggest "Lobbyist" of all times

Why do the current members of the SC continue to hate America??

They don't like Lesbians?

#24 | Posted by Ron_Karate at 2009-07-06

come on old girl

admit it...this is funny

He was the first U.S. president to call for universal health care and national health insurance.[6][7]

en.wikipedia.org

#25 | Posted by mmike at 2009-07-06 06

good for you for reading about this man..
a republican who helped start the progressive movement and thus the take down of the USA....

THIs is not part of his resume that endears him to me....

there is so much more to be angry about with these lobbyists than there is with President Obama trying to keep us out of a depression.

#13 | Posted by danni at 2009-07-06 05:14 PM | Reply

Because, in Danni's World, you are only allowed to be concerned with one issue.

Fuel prices? Health care? Sorry, you already expressed an opinion about polar bears. You already used up your free speech.

THIs is not part of his resume that endears him to me....

#32 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-07-06 07:36 PM | Reply

I became endeared to Roosevelt as a kid, reading about how he would go off to the Dakotas for months, and kill every animal he could track.

Just for the hell of it.

Too bad he never went up to the Great White North to clear out those pesky polar bears.

ah not to worry.

al gore is saving those polar bears now and he even cashed a cool 100 mill by doing it....

a republican who helped start the progressive movement and thus the take down of the USA....
THIs is not part of his resume that endears him to me....

#32 | Posted by afkabl2
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afkabl2...does this help?

TRlost the Republican nomination to Taft and ran in the 1912 election on his own one-time Bull Moose ticket. He beat Taft in the popular vote and pulled so many Progressives out of the Republican Party that Democrat Woodrow Wilson won in 1912, and the conservative faction took control of the Republican Party for the next two decades.

"...and the conservative faction took control of the Republican Party for the next two decades."

Ooooo... 107 year old history. How "contemporary."

How about a lesson on how the Democrats held the White House from 1933-1953? Or how the Democrats held the US House of Representatives for a majority of the 20th Century?

As our Industrial State was reshaped, the Banker, Venture Capitalist and Wall Street reestablished the powers lost after the Great Depression. Getting rich no longer took time, talent, perseverance. Getting rich just meant getting the approval of the capital market. What began in the hi-tech industries corroded the structures and rewards of older larger more competitive Industries. An explosion in CEO pay ensued, removed from any false notion of supply and demand for labor. Shrub created a new entrepreneur, devoid of ideological restraint, focused solely on Government as a vehicle for private profit on a continental scale.

This is the Predator State. It is a coalition of relentless opponents of any regulatory framework which considers the future common good, whose enterprises compete with or encroach on the public functions of the New Deal. It has two objectives, undermining the public's best interests and profiting from previously exclusive public endeavors.

Excerpted from Galbraith's "Predator State"

Watch them spring into action again. They tell you you don't want to wait in line for health care but leave out the 1 in 4 claims are denied in this country some for legal and others for spurious reasons. At least with the public option, you know you're covered even if you get sick. Frankly I don't care if a surgeon makes $1 million instead of $3 million a year. You shouldn't either.

If they're all in one place, shouldn't we be considering the nuclear option?

Danni - post #4 is right on point. If these interests have that kind of money to spend on lobbying, you can only believe that they are generating large, large revenues. Been living overseas for a couple of months. My father-in-law had a heart attack while visiting us and required immediate bypass surgery. Total cost of the surgery and follow up care - $10k. The surgeon who did the bypass surgery was trained in the US - at the Cleveland Heart Institute - regarded as one of the best in the world. The surgeon, who does an average of five to six a day, is still making good money and a decent life style. He represents a balance between making good money and helping people.

If you want to find out about Canadian Health Care ask Belinda Stronach, she was memeber of parlament
who was diagnosed with breast cancer, where did she go for her surgery the U.S.

Here is a link

90catzinabag,

Noone has ever proposed anything remotely like a Canada-type healthcare system for the US.

Get a fucking clue, moron!!!

YEAH!
Fuck off.

#43 | Posted by axe

Noone has ever proposed anything remotely like a Canada-type healthcare system for the US.

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The Canadian system didn't start out that way either, but over time the Government took it over and that is what the Private Sector fears.

I just wonder, do lobbyists anger Tea Party folks????

#13 | Posted by danni

If you have to wonder then you're guilty!

You are not open-minded enough to find out more about the group!

Hypocrits!

Before you criticize something, why don't you find out more about it.

Noone has ever proposed anything remotely like a Canada-type healthcare system for the US.

Get a fucking clue, moron!!!

#43 | Posted by axe at 2009-

todays award for naivete of the day....

Before you criticize something, why don't you find out more about it.

#46 | Posted by Eddie at 2009-07-07 10:44 AM

they have to wait for the call from SOROS to rhom to cnn to wolf and mccafferty...those two bastions of fair and balanced reporting

"I just wonder, do lobbyists anger Tea Party folks????" #13 | Posted by danni

What was it that Obama said about lobbyists?

How's that "Hope and Change" working out for you?

Check out the chart:

"Electing God"

scarey shit

senator imhoff from ok said this morning that health care destruction has 35 votes in senate at the most..

here's hoping he is right so they can get to the issue of REALLY fixing whats broke with it.

Hey Rusty Ballsack,

How was the Tea Party on Saturday? Were you and the 3 homeless guys you share needles with the only ones in attendance?

Sorry to interrupt, I'll let you get back to parroting Flush and Glenda now.

Why is it that the merde-munching-morons will NEVER address the public insurance option? This is the only thing acutally being seriously considered by anyone in congress. Instead, these fools keep parroting Glenda or Limpnoodle nonsense about 'socialized' whatever. NONE of what they say is even remotely relavent to the subject at hand.

If you want to find out about Canadian Health Care ask Belinda Stronach, she was memeber of parlament
who was diagnosed with breast cancer, where did she go for her surgery the U.S.
Here is a link
en.wikipedia.org
#42 | Posted by 90c2cab
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90c2cab...she had all her surgery and follow-ups in Canada except the one "later-stage" operation in California. Because of privacy she will not disclose what the surgery was, hard "to find out about Canadian Health Care" let alone condemn the whole Canadian system base on this lack of evidence.

#55 | Posted by mmike
He said speed was not the reason why she went to California.

Instead, MacEachern said the decision was made because the U.S. hospital was the best place to have it done due to the type of surgery required.
While it is rare for MPs to seek treatment outside Canada, MacEachern said Stronach was not lacking confidence in the system.

"In fact, Belinda thinks very highly of the Canadian health-care system, and uses it when needed for herself and her children, as do all Canadians. As well, her family has clearly demonstrated that support," MacEachern told the Star.

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Nice spin
So if I'm selling Fords, but drive a Chevy, how does that make me look when I tell you that Fords make the best cars.

Nice spin
So if I'm selling Fords, but drive a Chevy, how does that make me look when I tell you that Fords make the best cars.
#56 | Posted by 90c2cab

90c2ab No spin her statements, as to your car analogy more like going to an independent repair shop than the authorized dealer's shop.

The model on the Hill is not based on the Canadian system; here you can pick which dealers (plan) you want

Just a guess but my hunch is that her US surgery was elective and specialized to repair the mastectomy, after all California is the plastic surgery capitol of the worldright

#57 | Posted by mmike

The model on the Hill is not based on the Canadian system; here you can pick which dealers (plan) you want

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You are correct that initially you will have a choice, and that is how they are selling it.

Those who oppose the Public Option, are not buying it, they see this as a 1st step to a Government Monopoly of the Health Care sector.

Those who oppose the Public Option, are not buying it, they see this as a 1st step to a Government Monopoly of the Health Care sector.
#58 | Posted by 90c2cab

90c2cab...Unfortunately those on both sides of an issue usually see the proposal as a first step to more _____ (fill in) regardless of the content or the intent of the legislation.

And Obama welcomed them with open arms!