Happy 4th Everyone,get drunk grill some meat, blow some stuff up and just generaly have a great day.

#1 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2009-07-04 08:23 AM | Reply | Flag: Great advice!

We started at a friend's lake house across from Carlos' and Charlie's, who funded a dynamite fireworks show.

Here ya go ...

Happy Fourth everybody, hope y'alls enjoy a special day. Tri-tip and chicken on the barby, home brew beer, parade, fireworks. Not neccesarily in that order of course.

Sounds like a good time dxlinger.

Nice shot Zat.

"Nice shot Zat."

I didn't take it. That's from Carlos' & Charlie's website. They have that show every year. Have to sell a lot of margaritas to pay for it. Lasted about an hour.

TaoWarrior

Should I put the list of DR MILITARY VETERANS again on your thread? There was another 4th of July thread yesterday and I linked the list there.

We give thanks and celebrate our country's independence every 4th of July. But we also want to acknowledge those who helped us keep it. Thanks to all our Drudge Retort military veterans for their service to our nation.

DRUDGE RETORT MILITARY VETERANS

RexZeitgeist - US Army
Goatman - US Navy
Prolix247 - US Navy
Reagan58 - US Army (Special Forces)
OzarkAggie - US Navy (Submarine Service)
BuffaloBob - US Air Force
Cowboy - USCG
Boaz - US Army
Vernon - US Air Force
Beachbuzz - US Army
Jackass - US Army Reserve
Tadowe - US Army
Sarge - US Air Force
Judas - USMC
101Chairborne - US Army
Commonsense-US Navy
Briwo - US Army (1978-1982)
Walt - US Army
Tron - US Army
USN - US Navy
Babuenthal - USMC
GrumpyToo - USMC
RealPlus5 - US Navy
Frosty - US Air Force
TedBaxter -- US Navy
KatieBerry - US Army, National Guard
FrankF55- US Army
Dutch46 -- USCG
Trooper -US Army
Sniper - US Army
lwalk17 - US Air Force
RightisRight - US Army
RightOCenter - US Air Force
MSgt - US Air Force (Ret).
John47 - US Air Force
TFDNihilist -- USMC
Herm - US Navy
OldWhiskeySour - US Air Force
KGBeekeeper - USMC
Oohrah's son Bob - USMC
LilBrit - WRNS (Womens Royal Naval Service)
Mattm - Minnesota Army NG (22 yrs. w/1 yr. active duty in Kosovo)
JustSomeGuy - US Navy
TownNCountry - US Navy, USNR
ItsMe - US Army
TJTull - US Air Force
Timbci - US rmy
JeffnDenmark - US Navy
Observer27 - US Army
Mr. Retaliation - US Air Force
SPC_Evil - US Army
Cmpbell72 - USMC
ChickenRancher - USAF
MistaKurtz - USAF
vma224 - USMC
JustinPhx - US Navy
Libertarian_GI - US Army
EvilPolock - US Army (1976-1980)
DrSoul - US Army (1964-1967)
GreatAmerican - US Army (Engineers)
Jwil22 - USMC (1992-1998)
DrKnowItAll - US Navy
rabiabidabi - US Navy
Mictian101 - USMC

Happy 4th everyone!!

We have three parties and lots of firewirks to see today..Gonna be a BLAST!!

Be safe!

Thanks Chris I didn't see the thread from yesterday or I wouldn't have posted a new one.

Thanks to all the vets on the list!

3 Parties would be a bit much for me, I only have one to go to and that will be quite enough for me. 91 degrees, I am in charge of the grilling and heat intolerant. Yippie! Oh well the nice thing is the AC is only a few feet from the grill.

Tao

Thanks Chris I didn't see the thread from yesterday or I wouldn't have posted a new one.

I think it was already taken down yesterday. It was up for two days so maybe scrolled off and new stories replaced it so I'm glad you put yours up. Otherwise we wouldn't have a 4th of July thread on the 4th of July!

RCADE should give your thread a place on the Front Page. After all, today is Independence Day.

John Fogerty is giving a concert at the Hollywood Bowl with fireworks after. I wonder if there are still tickets left.

Your bar-b-que sounds good, TaoWarrior. Don't go burning the burgers!

I am in charge of the grilling and heat intolerant. Yippie! Oh well the nice thing is the AC is only a few feet from the grill.

Happy 4th of July to everyone

To those on the CaliChris list of veterans a hattip.

I read this last nite, and thought it profound...

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Thanks for posting the words to the Declaration of Independence, AndreaMackris. We all need to take time out to read it over now and again.

Everyone have a Terrific 4th of July.

Thanks to all the veterans and those serving our great Nation--the greatest on the planet.

Trivia--

Which 3 US Presidents died on the 4th of July?

These 3 presidents died on Independence Day (July 4):

John Adams, 2nd POTUS (July 4, 1826)
Thomas Jefferson, 3rd POTUS (July 4, 1826)
James Monroe, 5th POTUS (July 4, 1831)

1 president was born on the Fourth of July:

Calvin Coolidge, 30th POTUS (July 4, 1872)

Andyuhenet- US Air Force!

I hope your fourth sucks everyone. I hate holidays. If only we lost the revolution we might have universal health care.

THOUGHT FOR THE DAY!
"Imperialism today is taking place in the context of...the 'universalization' of capitalism. It is not now primarily a matter of territorial conquest or direct military or colonial control. It is not now a matter of capitalist powers invading non-capitalist powers in order to bleed them dry directly and by brute force. Now it is more a matter of ensuring that the forces of the capitalist market prevail in every corner of the world (even if this means marginalizing and impoverishing parts of it), and of manipulating those market forces to the advantage of the most powerful capitalist economies and the United States in particular." ... "Military force is still central to the imperialist project, in some ways more than ever."-- Political scientist Ellen Meiksins-Wood, Z magazine Nov 1999, p26

HAPPY 'KICK OUT THE GOVERNMENT' DAY!!!

Happy 4th Everyone,get drunk grill some meat, blow some stuff up and just generaly have a great day.

All of the fun fireworks are illegal.

July 4, 1826 Worst day in history for US presidents.

Zombie,

So?

Imagine if we lost to Germany, Japan or England. We would be enjoying the benefits of socialism. What a shame.

Rothschild's preferred we would lose to the south during the civil war

I guess I'm working today, whether I want to or not. And there ain't no time&1/2 holiday pay in this business.

Jackass, I think if Germany conquered all of Europe it would be moot because we would just drop the A-Bomb if they tried to invade us.

CalifChris: I didn't know anyone had compiled a list of the Retort's military veterans. That's very cool.

I'd like to thank all of you for serving our country. If it had been up to me to take up arms to defend America, we'd be having this conversation in German.

It appears JACKASS did not take his name in vain :)

VERY FUNNY CC!!! Calling me Cmpbell72. I was given that Nick-name, because I did only one thread at a time. But the truth be known, the reason I did one thread at a time was because I have other things to do than sit and Blog all day. It was better to just do a daily topic ,then to jump around thread to thread. But you are correct in my serivce USMC.

GOD BLESS AMERICA, OUR TROOPS AND VETERANS.

CMBELL 73

VERY FUNNY CC!!! Calling me Cmpbell72. I was given that Nick-name, because I did only one thread at a time. But the truth be known, the reason I did one thread at a time was because I have other things to do than sit and Blog all day. It was better to just do a daily topic ,then to jump around thread to thread. But you are correct in my serivce USMC.

Just now saw your post. Figures one of these clowns would give you a nickname or make some play on your name. lol

I'll change it and next time the list goes up it will say: "CMBELL 73 - USMC"

It should also be remembered that July 4, 1776 was only the Declaration of Independence. The colonies had been at war for some time.

It wasn't until November 25, 1783 that the last British troops left New York.

233 years of Liberty...destroyed in 166 days.

Better enjoy this one ladies and gents. This could be the last one we'll remember as a free republic. Fascism is on the horizon with ObamaMotors, ObamaHealth, ObamaInsurance, ObamaBanking, ObamaEnergy, ObamaFED, etc...

Chris,
Beachbuzz - US Army 1985-1988 MOS:19K

Andyuhenet- US Air Force!

#17 | Posted by andyuhenet at 2009-07-04 12:37 PM

To let you know, I aaw your post.

Next our DR military veteran list goes up your name will on it, flyboy!

From the BBC ...

Nine reasons to celebrate America

Beachbuzz - US Army 1985-1988 MOS:19K

Got it.

RP5 USAF 1975-1979 /USN 1980-1998

RealPlus5

Got ya!

Thanks Chris, you doing OK out there?

RealPlus5

Thanks Chris, you doing OK out there?

Just put my tale of woe on the Nooner. lol

I'm going fine, though, really. Thanks for asking.

Hope you have a nice 4th of July!

233 years of BS if you ask me. We should throw the constitution in the shitter and remake it in the mold of EU's constitution.

Thank you, Drudge Retort veterans, for your service to our country.

May God bless the United States of America!

233 years of Liberty...destroyed in 166 days.

Happy 4th retarded asshole

Happy 4th retarded asshole.

Just pray to whatever deity you choose for a fireworks accident to kill his buzz...

May our 234th anniversary bring us socialized medicine.

Thanks Zombie. You and your lib friends are all the same. Death to those who disagree! You all sound more and more like Nazis each and everyday.

Have a nice Independence Day and, btw, shove a lit roman candle up your ass.

Andyuhenet

Left out some words in my post to you. I'm not drunk, just super busy. lol

Next time our DR military veterans list goes up your name will be on it, flyboy!

Okay, final update 'till the next time we put up the list. Any corrections, leave me a post.

DRUDGE RETORT MILITARY VETERANS

RexZeitgeist - US Army
Goatman - US Navy
Prolix247 - US Navy
Reagan58 - US Army (Special Forces)
OzarkAggie - US Navy (Submarine Service)
BuffaloBob - US Air Force
Cowboy - USCG
Boaz - US Army
Vernon - US Air Force
Beachbuzz - US Army (1985-1998) MOS:19K
Jackass - US Army Reserve
Tadowe - US Army
Sarge - US Air Force
Judas - USMC
101Chairborne - US Army
Commonsense-US Navy
Briwo - US Army (1978-1982)
Walt - US Army
Tron - US Army
USN - US Navy
Babuenthal - USMC
GrumpyToo - USMC
RealPlus5 - US Navy
Frosty - US Air Force
TedBaxter -- US Navy
KatieBerry - US Army, National Guard
FrankF55- US Army
Dutch46 -- USCG
Trooper -US Army
Sniper - US Army
lwalk17 - US Air Force
RightisRight - US Army
RightOCenter - US Air Force
MSgt - US Air Force (Ret).
John47 - US Air Force
TFDNihilist -- USMC
Herm - US Navy
OldWhiskeySour - US Air Force
KGBeekeeper - USMC
Oohrah's son Bob - USMC
LilBrit - WRNS (Womens Royal Naval Service)
Mattm - Minnesota Army NG (22 yrs. w/1 yr. active duty in Kosovo)
JustSomeGuy - US Navy
TownNCountry - US Navy, USNR
ItsMe - US Army
TJTull - US Air Force
Timbci - US rmy
JeffnDenmark - US Navy
Observer27 - US Army
Mr. Retaliation - US Air Force
SPC_Evil - US Army
Cmbell73 - USMC
ChickenRancher - USAF
MistaKurtz - USAF
vma224 - USMC
JustinPhx - US Navy
Libertarian_GI - US Army
EvilPolock - US Army (1976-1980)
DrSoul - US Army (1964-1967)
GreatAmerican - US Army (Engineers)
Jwil22 - USMC (1992-1998)
Andyuhenet - US Air Force
RealPlus5 - USAF 1975-1979 /USN 1980-1998
DrKnowItAll - US Navy
rabiabidabi - US Navy
Mictian101 - USMC

CMBELL72 -

Sorry, I did make the change on the master list!

I had it down as Cmpbell72 - USMC

Must have picked up one of the umpteen revisions!

PROMISE -- It will be corrected again but won't put the whole list up again now.

CMBELL73

Am I punchy tired right now, or what!

Trying to do tooooooo many things at the same time.

Your name WAS correct on the list and will be left as is.

Don't need to make any changes.

I'm going away now before I make a total fool of myself. Time for a break.

If you served be ashamed. You served a greedy nation that goes to exploit the poor of other nations.

JACKASS: If so bad and with so many 'good' socialist nations out there, why are you still here?

Jackass,

Just wondering, rather than staying and hating your country of residence why don't you move to one of those fabulous EU nations you love so much?

Whatever floats your boat, I guess I just don't have that much time in my life for bitterness.

Next time you want to hate America can you not do it on a holiday thread I post?

Please and Thank you.

You fools it isn't like I can just show up in Finland or Norway and ask for my entitlement check. I have to get married to somebody. If it was that easy as to just buy a plane ticket I would have a long time ago.

So many vets here! My hat's off to you.

I can't claim any such distinction. Oh, a short stint as a vivandiere, maybe, but no actual combat...

jackASS

If you served be ashamed. You served a greedy nation that goes to exploit the poor of other nations.

#49 | Posted by jackass at 2009-07-04 09:17 PM

I don't boss people around on here except when it comes to one thing -- the "DR Military Veterans List"

That list is sacrosanct. Understand?

Do not use our DR Military Veterans List to degrade or hassle anyone on the list -- individually or as a collective group -- or make a negative political comment by making reference to it as you did with your post. That list is not your political punching bag. Don't do it again.

Cali I can not respect veterans of this nation. We as a country have been using our military to kill, rape, rob and pillage other countries for far too long. Any reasonable human can see that our military is an instrument of torture and death that is controlled by the Israeli govt.

Cali I can not respect veterans of this nation. We as a country have been using our military to kill, rape, rob and pillage other countries for far too long. Any reasonable human can see that our military is an instrument of torture and death that is controlled by the Israeli govt.

#55 | Posted by jackass at 2009-07-04 10:21 PM

I mean what I said in my #54. Don't push your luck.

Make your comments elsewhere.

This a place where free ideas are to be exchanged. I should be able to express my viewpoints whether you agree with them or not.

"I mean what I said in my #54. Don't push your luck.

Make your comments elsewhere.

#56 | Posted by CalifChris at 2009-07-04 10:25 PM"

So we're not in America anymore? Seriously, I
appreciate anyones service to this Country, saying you served on a forum such as this don't make it so.
Sorry, but I see a few names on that list that I know aren't above lying.

So we're not in America anymore? Seriously, I appreciate anyones service to this Country, saying you served on a forum such as this don't make it so.

Sorry, but I see a few names on that list that I know aren't above lying.

#58 | Posted by prozacboi at 2009-07-04 10:39 PM

If a man on the DR Military List is lying about his military service, then that's between him and his conscience. He has to live with it. I, however, take him at his word.

Cali I can not respect veterans of this nation. We as a country have been using our military to kill, rape, rob and pillage other countries for far too long. Any reasonable human can see that our military is an instrument of torture and death that is controlled by the Israeli govt.

#55 | Posted by jackass at 2009-07-04 10:21 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose) Shit For Brains

I remember going to my friend Anna Kordonsky's Naturalization ceremony, with her parents on this day at a ghetto community college in south Phoenix, followed by an outrageously huge meal and her dad trying to get me to drink (and try to keep up with him).

I love America!

Chris,

I as one thank you for posting the list. Jackass comments are way off base and uncalled for. Insulting is more like it. I personally spent years of my life defending our country working in electronic warfare and nuclear weapons. I'd like to think people in our country slept better knowing people where watching their backs. Your list comprises of all elements of our armed services and my hat is off to everyone, not just today, but everyday. Happy 4th of July and thanks again Chris.

Justinphx I will assume you are a decent human and didn't know any better as to the harm you were bringing to the rest of the world. The people that I despise are those who are fully aware and still stay in just for the money and benefits. To me those are no better than the mercenaries we utilized from blackwater.

Jackass,

I didn't bring any harm into the world. Again, that is insulting to say I, or anyone else, didn't know better when we entered into the military service of our country.

You should be upset but not at me. You should be upset you were used as a pawn to further the agenda of a few in this Country and that of Israel. Our military has been used as a tool for far to long to oppress other nations.

CC, Thank You for your posting list. No matter what you do, the military will always be a target for political extreemist. If its a thread about their deaths or about their service.

Like I told you before you made the Memorial Thread. That people will exploit your intentions, this thread is no different.

Can you imagine what our service personel go through every time they put their lives on the line, to read in the papers that America is divided in what they are dying for?

What about thier buddy dying in vein becuase some politicain thought it was politicaly correct to pack up. Instead of having the guts and courage to see things through, no matter what the political cost might be.

Again Thank You Again CC.

What did the deaths in Iraq accomplish? Iraq was no threat to us. If they did not die in vain tell me what they died for?

THANK YOU TO ALL VETERANS WHO HAVE SERVED OUR GREAT DEMOCRACY.

There is NO COUNTRY ON EARTH that people have come to BECOME INDEPENDENT.

What I am PO'd about is that the people who come here from other countries, can have babies here, send them to schools here,(ESL Studies).

P.S. $800,000,000. of U.S. MONEY was sent to these
economies.

A SUGGESTION (to our SUPER MOST FRIENDLY NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTHT):

HOW ABOUT A BARREL OF OIL DAY TO TAKE CARE OF YOUR WRECTHED CITIZENS, WHO COME HERE FOR BETTER CONDITIONS. TO TAKE CARE OF YOUR CITIZENS WHO WANT A BETTER LIFE.

Jrod quit your complaining pay your taxes and accept your mexican brothers from the south.

Hail Goddess Ishtar!

You call this liberty?? The founders would gag.

Screw liberty I want socialism

screw you, i want socialists to have their own country. not MINE.

CalifChris:
EDB - US Army

Happy Independence Day folks ;)

Exercise that 1st Amendment to your heart's content ladies and gentlemen.

after reading more of your bullshit JACKASS, fuck you x 10,000. i hope you die a slow miserable death and rot in hell.

Thanks EDB right back at ya.

Cali I can not respect veterans of this nation. We as a country have been using our military to kill, rape, rob and pillage other countries for far too long. Any reasonable human can see that our military is an instrument of torture and death that is controlled by the Israeli govt.

JA

Well....

Truth needs no law to support it. Truth is self-evident to all. Truth withstands re-examination. Truth survives questions. Throughout history, from Galileo to Zundel, only lies and liars have resorted to the courts to enforce adherence to dogma." -- Michael Rivero

"Cali I can not respect veterans of this nation. We as a country have been using our military to kill, rape, rob and pillage other countries for far too long." - jackass

There is a difference between the policies of a nation and the military service of individual people. There is a difference between objecting to a nation's policies and not respecting the individual people. To equate the two shows, in my opinion, total idiocy and lazyness of thought.

There are quite a few people, like me, who regret and hate thinking about the time they spent in SE Asia or Korea or where ever. In the years since Nam, the guys in my platoon, whenever we have gotten together, talk about everything _but_ our time there. None of us belong to any vet org or have any connection to anything to do with the military. NEVERTHELESS, not one of us would _ever_ think of not showing respect for people who have served in the military (except for some idiot officers). Whether a person volunteered or was drafted, they made a personal sacrifice. Especially those who died. And that should be respected.

Jackass-
In wishing that America had lost the Revolution or World Wars I or II, you show an incredible lack of historical perspective.

We could go all day about what might or might not happen if we had lost any of those three wars. I don't think any scenario could lead to the world we live in today.

If America had lost the Revolution, do you think that the French commoners would have still had the guts or the success story to fight the French Revolution? France COULD still be a monarchy today, in that case. Would a monarchy have championed the rights of commoners?

If America had lost to Germany in WWII, do you think Hitler would have cared at all for universal medicine?

If American hadn't maintained a military presence in Europe thruogh the cold war, do you think that those European countries could have created the socialist utopias you perceive them to be? Let's not forget that it was the US's massive military spending (which, full disclosure, I generally think is a little too massive, especially today) that forced the USSR to pay attention to the US and not to spreading communism through Western Europe.

I'm sure you probably think that a communist Western Europe wouldn't have been all that bad. Look at the current state of former USSR satellite nations. Do you think a Western Europe that looks like those countries would be a good thing today? Would you still think that Europe has it right and America has it wrong?

I'm all for recognizing America's faults and continuously trying to improve, but to pretend we'd be better off having lost the Revolution, WWII, or without a standing army (even if that army has been misused in Iraq)...well that's just ludicrous.

EDB

CalifChris:
EDB - US Army

Got it. Thanks. You're now on the list.

CMBELL73 and JUSTINPHX

Read your kind words thanking me for putting up the DR Military Veterans list but all I do is try to keep it as current as possible and post it on the appropriate threads here on DR.

I, and the rest of Americans, should be the ones thanking both of you -- and all the others on our DR Military Veterans list -- as you were the ones who wore the uniform in the service of our country. Thank you..

CalifChris, thanks chief.

I'm all for recognizing America's faults and continuously trying to improve, but to pretend we'd be better off having lost the Revolution, WWII, or without a standing army (even if that army has been misused in Iraq)...well that's just ludicrous.

#79 | Posted by dylanfan

the same goes for Hitler's army veterans hence Ronald Reagan's...little speech a few years back was appropriate?

Hooray ...thanks to the patriot act all you Ex Military guys that have been so neatly listed are now goin to be watched by our ugly homeland security chief lol
be well ..Happy Belated 4th
Peace
Darkstar

Bani-
Not sure what you're referencing? Can you be more specific or add some details if you get a chance?

This a place where free ideas are to be exchanged. I should be able to express my viewpoints whether you agree with them or not.
#57 | Posted by jackass at 2009-07-04 10:34 PM | Reply | Flag: implicitly thanks all military vets for keeping his country free so he can exercise his 1st Amendment Rights

Great List, CChris. Thanks to all.

Was at Carlos and Charlies last night!