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Just another side effect of the outsourcing of our industrial base.

Look for more to follow.

"the Civil War"

That's would be The War Between the States, y'all!


.......having "faith" in an untenable belief, seems to be a hallmark of America.....

.......so many have been brainwashed into believing that "if you cut taxes, revenues will increase", this fallacy is not being called out and exposed for the self-destructive bit of nonsense that it is..........

As the population of these over taxed fiscally irresponsible states flee to states managed by adults the hope is they'll leave their failed ideology behind.

and yet IN TEXAS

maybe the only state in the country
TAX BREAKS FOR SMALL BUSINESS......

the line WAS 300,000 for a small business to pay the business state tax and it was moved up to ONE MILLION for two years and then after that it will come down to 600,000 before the tax rate kicks in..

TEXAS........WHERE EVERYTHING IS BIGGER..INCLUDING CONCERN FOR SMALL BUSINESS

( oh yeah...its run by republicans..BINGO))

"5 States Face Shutdowns Over Budgets"


That's right!

Force those Liberals to cut spending!

The Democrats are imploding.

The real culprit? Dependence on real estate taxes.

That's would be The War Between the States, y'all!

#2 | Posted by ZOT

That would be the war over states rights, or the war of northern aggression.

That would be the war over states rights, or the war of northern aggression.

#8 | Posted by Sniper

Why didn't the people of the North simply buy the slaves' freedom? That would have saved a war.

( oh yeah...its run by republicans..BINGO))

#5 | Posted by afkabl2


bayareahouston.blogspot.com


Monday, February 05, 2007
It's official. Texas worst place to live in US.
Update 2009.
It's not getting any better in Texas. Texas still has the highest insurance rates in the nation, electricity deregulation has failed prompting lawmakers to stop deregulation in some areas of the state. College tuition has doubled again prompting lawmakers to freeze rates in a emergency move. We still rank #1 in children without health insurance, #1 in air pollution, #1 in teen pregnancy, #1 in population without health insurance, and it just gets worse.

The report Texas on the Brink is provided by State Senator Shaphleigh out of El Paso.

2007
If you haven't been paying attention, or your head has been stuck in the sand for the last 6 years, or you've been too busy working making ends meet and keeping your kids in school, then you probably haven't notice that Texas is now the worst place to live in the United States.

The report titled "Texas on the Brink" by State Senator Eliot Shapleigh paints a bleak picture of Texas in almost every category used to rate places to raise a family. These categories include the environment, health care, womens issues, education, and more. And the ratings are a result of the Republican leadership of the state over the last 6 years.

According to the report, this is how Texas ranks among the 50 States today:


Read the Article idiot Texas is the worst place in America to live!!!

Just print some Monopoly money - problem solved. That's what Barry is doing.

It's official. Texas worst place to live in US.

Make sure all the Golden State refugees know this, ratsa, so they keep goin east in the mass exodus.

Thanks

Oldest trick in the book. Threaten to shut down Goverment to pass the budget. The teachers unions play this trump card all the time.

Goat if you weren't such a greedy fuck you would care. Maybe if your granddaughter doesn't have it and gets real sick maybe you will change your tune. I'll just laugh as you would be forced to beg for donations.

We must send what we have left to Israel, Afghanistan, Iraq and the other 716 foriegn military bases we maintain.

Otherwise the boogeyman will get us.

If we don't have the money, just print some more.

I just noticed who posted the latest Texas rant. Ratsa from the state with the worst credit rating in the US. Just 5 points above junk bond status.

LOL

The problem with you Goat is that you haven't endured enough pain to know what it feels like to be in need. Hopefully one day you will.

" Texas worst place to live in US. "

Great ...

Maybe all those damned yankees will STOP MOVING HERE.

I'll just laugh as you would be forced to beg for donations.

Whatever blows air up your skirt, ratsa

#18 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2009-07-02 11:58 AM | Reply | Flag: Remembers the great rust belt migration of the '80s to Texas all too well

"It's official. Texas worst place to live in US"

I would say Northern Illinois is worse than Texas.

jackass

Are you typing while waiting to cash your IOU......

Texans in general from what I have observed would rather hoard their money even if a loved one became ill. They seem to love money over everything. That is why there are so many in need in Texas.

The problem with you Goat is that you haven't endured enough pain to know what it feels like to be in need. Hopefully one day you will.

I'll let you know so that you can sing your song and dance your dance. God knows you need something in your life to make you happy.

It's official. Texas worst place to live in US.

#10 | Posted by jackass at 2009-07-02 11:49 AM


I just noticed who posted the latest Texas rant. Ratsa from the state with the worst credit rating in the US. Just 5 points above junk bond status.

LOL

#16 | Posted by goatman at 2009-07-02 11:57 AM

Bwahahaha!!!

CA can no longer afford Jackass' free lunch.


I just noticed who posted the latest Texas rant. Ratsa from the state with the worst credit rating in the US. Just 5 points above junk bond status.


LOL

#16 | Posted by goatman at 2009-07-02 11:57 AM

He is the one dancing in front of the sign that reads "I can't make it, tax everybody" at a union rally in Sacramento.
www.kfiam640.com


"It's official. Texas worst place to live in US"


I would say Northern Illinois is worse than Texas.

#21 | Posted by GotTruth

I'd say Wisconsin. We just passed our budget and noboby gets to sit down for 2 years.

#23: Texans hoard their money and that is why they are in need? I don't get it.

We have a nice surplus in Texas because Republicans are running this state. It'll be fun to watch California, the land of fruits and flakes pass out those IOU's to all those lib teachers. Teach that, you fucks.

Goat if Texans paid more in taxes there could be more social services for those that do without. I think the
Govt should take about 60% of everybody's pay. This way the govt could redistribute the resources better.

I think the Govt should take about 60% of everybody's pay

Then vote for a candidate who endorses that. Don't tell me.

60% helll Hitler.......

This way the govt could redistribute the resources better.

#30 | Posted by jackass

Try distributing a resume, you lazy fuck.

Jackass in Texas they put you to work... So you don't need the gov to pay your way.

It'll be fun to watch California, the land of fruits and flakes pass out those IOU's to all those lib teachers.

I'd give anything to watch ratsa try to spend his California issued IOU in Texas. LOL

Rcade should pay me for educating you rethugs day after day

#35 lololololololololo

It'll be fun to watch California, the land of fruits and flakes pass out those IOU's to all those lib teachers. Teach that, you fucks.

Highest paid teachers in the nation. Not to mention the few hundreds thousand union members.

Btw I'm hard at work at my real job right now as we speak. It's a union job aka the best job on the planet.

"It's a union job aka the best job on the planet."

tell me that in 2 years......

hard at work on drudge....

It's a union job aka the best job on the planet.

You said you work for Wackenhut as a security guard, right?

To each his own, but that would not be the best job on the planet for me. I'm glad it works out good for you, though.

It's a union job aka the best job on the planet.

#39 | Posted by jackass


A member of the Urinal Mint Local 204 chapter?

Just an observatoin: Alot of the same people who complain that "libs just love to bash Texas" are the same ones who want to make threads that aren't about Texas into threads that are about Texas.

As a New Jerseyan, I can't believe my state isn't on this list. We'll get there! I have the utmost faith in the corrupt pieces of crap running this state...

#10 | Posted by jackass

you are indeed your name ...please stay OUT of TEXAS stay the fuck in your sorry faggoty ass state of California with the rest of the fudge packers run by the dumbass from Austria.

The desert area in West Texas that had nothing but steers and queers now has a California JACKASS.

you are indeed your name ...please stay OUT of TEXAS stay the fuck in your sorry faggoty ass state of California with the rest of the fudge packers run by the dumbass from Austria.

Now now. He can't help it that he is part of the problem here. He is a union card carrying democrat. He is only mirroring those dems in Sacramento on the take from Unions.


Btw I'm hard at work at my real job right now as we speak. It's a union job aka the best job on the planet.

#39 | Posted by jackass at 2009


did anyone else get this??

so he is AT WORK AT A UNION JOB but he can post all of these comments here

THATS really using the bosses money wisely isnt it?

I mean if you werent union, they might expect you to

OH I DONT KNOW....like WORK ALL THE TIMe instead of getting on here.....

post #41 afkabl2

and again...I believe that texas is the only state that gave small business this kind of break..if thats wrong, then the list isnt very long then..
and why did they do this??
easy..
small business is the place most people get employed...aT leAST before the obama government company opened its doors...AND they are taxed enough already BEFORE the obama welfare/
statis,marxist,soclialist,coll
ectiveist state kicks in...IF it does

oh sorry lib

I bow to your comment before mine
I thought it was what you were saying but I wanted to make sur jackass got the point and I afraid that he wouldnt understand what you were saying....

TEXAS........WHERE EVERYTHING IS BIGGER..INCLUDING CONCERN FOR SMALL BUSINESS


( oh yeah...its run by republicans..BINGO))

#5 | Posted by afkabl2


What about the people? What does Texas do for its citizens?

But fire the regulators? Never! Make government pensions based on 50/50 contributions like the normal world? Of course not!
Taxes on cigarettes and beer, that's the only answer, of course. That demographic conjures up images of evil redneck males anyway.

What about the people? What does Texas do for its citizens?

Executions.

What does Texas do for its citizens?

Provides one of the five top freest states to live in for one. Texans cherish nothing more than their freedom and independence, so that's a biggie.

Prolix247 create jobs for one....

State govt
Federal govt
Local govt

Decrease taxes AND decrease spending.

Meet the need. Dispose of the want.

Why is the Peace Corps overseas? We need them here.
People forgot how to work their own land.

you are indeed your name ...please stay OUT of TEXAS stay the fuck in your sorry faggoty ass state of California with the rest of the fudge packers run by the dumbass from Austria.

#45 | Posted by reinsurelaw

you are indeed your name ...please stay OUT of TEXAS stay the fuck in your sorry faggoty ass state of California with the rest of the fudge packers run by the dumbass REPUBLICAN from Austria.

There fixed that for you...

LOL

#16 | Posted by goatman at 2009-07-02 11:57 AM

He is the one dancing in front of the sign that reads "I can't make it, tax everybody" at a union rally in Sacramento.

www.kfiam640.com

#26 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2009-07-02 12:05

Crispee OC -- I see by your link that you are a "John and Ken" show fan too?

I love those two nuts! No matter what state I move to I'll always be tuning them in via computer.

Govt should take about 60% of everybody's pay.

RastaJackass.


Ok well you start first. No one is keeping you from giving more to the GOV. SO lead by example!

Why not just sell states that are broke to the highest bidder? I'm sure there are 1 or 2 saudis that could buy them with their pocket change. Or how about not spending half a trillion dollars on guns, bombs and continued occupation next year? 20% off the military budget should solve this mess.

jackass you have that great job. you can spare %60 for the good of your state...... show us how its done...

"I'd say Wisconsin. We just passed our budget and noboby gets to sit down for 2 years."
#27 | Posted by wisgod at 2009-07-02 12:05 PM | Reply

Agreed. And you know how everybody blames Bush for everything? Well, I do blame Bush for this. Wisconsin was doing great until Bush stole Tommy for his cabinet, and then we got Doyle.

will i be able to buy a Case of Corolla Gold Beer with my i.o.u.if not i will return to mexico.

Crispee OC -- I see by your link that you are a "John and Ken" show fan too?


I love those two nuts! No matter what state I move to I'll always be tuning them in via computer.


Obviously CC is not just another pretty face. But informed as well.

"20% off the military budget should solve this mess."

It is not a natural disaster that caused this. it is the fucks running the state. so giving them money will just enable them.

Goat and Lib,
I understand your sentiments but let me clarify.

There is structural unemployment. It used to be about 5%. After this labor shrinkage it could be 7% for a generation.

Lets say that equates to a 50,000 Texans just for the sake of argument. That is a 50,000 people who will never have a job to go to whether they want to work or not. Their unemployment is structural.

What should the State of Texas do for those people. Force them to move? Leave then to starve? Allow them to get sick and possibly be a vector for disease?

What are your thoughts?

you are indeed your name ...please stay OUT of TEXAS stay the fuck in your sorry faggoty ass state of California with the rest of the fudge packers run by the dumbass REPUBLICAN from Austria. Who has the highest paid, and useless dems controlling both the Assembly and Senate.


There fixed that for you...

Allow them to get sick and possibly be a vector for disease?


What are your thoughts?

#67 | Posted by Prolix247

send em back to Mexico

you are indeed your name ...please stay OUT of TEXAS stay the fuck in your sorry faggoty ass state of California with the rest of the fudge packers run by the dumbass REPUBLICAN from Austria and DEMOCRATIC LEGISLATURE.

#58 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2009-07-02 12:47 PM

There fixed that for you...

What about the people? What does Texas do for its citizens?

#52 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2009-07-02 12:41 PM

It doesn't collapse in on itself for one. That's gotta count for something.

Who has the highest paid, and useless dems controlling both the Assembly and Senate.

#68 | Posted by crispee_oc

Who has the highest paid, and useless Republicans controlling the Legislature by the 2/3 majority requirement to pass any budget.

You need to do better than that.

Waht else do you got?

#69 I agree

Why didn't the people of the North simply buy the slaves' freedom? That would have saved a war.

#9 | Posted by Eddie

......because then the slave-owners would have gotten more slaves to re-sell to the northerners........

.....it's called a going concern.....

#69 | Posted by reinsurelaw

I said Texans, which implies citizenship.

Tuck in your hood it's showing...

Jackass, you are indeed your name ...please stay OUT of TEXAS stay the fuck in your sorry faggoty ass state of California with the rest of the fudge packers run by the dumbass from Austria.

#45 | Posted by reinsurelaw at 2009-07-02 12:26


I'm in the process of readying my house for sale to move OUT of, as you put it, the "sorry faggoty ass state" of California in the very near future. I'm no "fudgepacker" but I can bake good fudge besides being an okay cook. I like C&W music, love our country, chili cookoffs, the outdoors, am a registered "independent" with conservative leanings, am pro-military, a hard worker and make a good neighbor.

So, should I decide to, am I allowed to move to Texas or will y'all blockcade your state's borders to ALL Californians -- even the non-faggoty ass ones -- who might seek refuge in the Lone Star state?

oh, and btw --

currently know of an apt. or guesthouse maybe coming up for rent in the near future? Want to try renting for at least 6 months 'till I find out for sure I'm going to stay should I decide to migrate there. Along or not too far from the coast would be nice but I won't be too picky. lol

#73 | Posted by libslayer

Come on Lib, Answer the question.

Don't deflect to immigrants. This is the state of our nations unemployment.

it is simple. Texas is doing better than all the other states. why is that?


Prolix247 Go cash your IOU. your state is broke due to the lib's over spending. If you don't see that fact. There is no hope for you....

Who has the highest paid, and useless Republicans controlling the Legislature by the 2/3 majority requirement to pass any budget.

I know. Those committees they control have us in this mess. How dare they. My God they don't even know the difference between revenue enhancements and taxes.

#67 | Posted by Prolix247

Which Texan is going to man-up and answer my question without bashing immigrants. As I stated I was speaking about Texas citizens.

#78 | Posted by libslayer

I will never receive an IOU. I work for my income in the private sector.

Answer my question libslayer. Or is your mouth bigger than your brain?

What would you do?

do nothing....

Provides one of the five top freest states to live in for one. Texans cherish nothing more than their freedom and independence, so that's a biggie.

#55 | Posted by goatman


It provides an opportunity to be homeless and starving due to no safety net.

#82 | Posted by libslayer

So you would let children go hungry and die due to lack of medical care so you can have a tax break?

Do you claim to be a christian too?

#79 | Posted by crispee_oc

Do you know that July 1, the republicans added 3 billion additional dollars to the debt because they would not agree to an education reduction of 3 billion in fiscal year 2009?

In California, education dollars for future years is based on the funding dollars from the immediate previous year. The democrats were will to reduce educational spending by 3 billion in 2009 in order to save 3 billion dollars in fiscal year 2010. The republicans said NO.

nope not a Christian. you show me one case of a dead kid from lack of care in Texas....

they can go to school or take some training for a dif job. your talking about %5 of the people. Also what % of that %5 is willing to go out and work or take training to get a job.... it is not an issue. you have all of the means to get educated in America. Obama is a prime example.

#85 your correct it is the republicans that caused CA to go broke......

It provides an opportunity to be homeless and starving

All states provide that opportunity, ratsa -- especially the bankrupt ones like oh, say, CalifornIOUa

nope not a Christian. you show me one case of a dead kid from lack of care in Texas....

#86 | Posted by libslayer

Well you have really exposed yourself as an idiot, let's parse this out.

Do you know what structural unemployment is? It is the percentage of people who will be out of work because a job does not exist to attain.

Let me say this in a simple term you may understand.

There are 5-7% of people more than there are jobs available. This fact is built into our economy. It is structural. There can and will never be 100% employment. Capitalism cannot and will not afford the costs of full employement. Labor will become too expensive.

Did you also go to school in Texas. It would explain alot...

So you would let children go hungry and die due to lack of medical care so you can have a tax break?


Do you claim to be a christian too?

#84 | Posted by Prolix247


Should we provide medical care for those in need and feed the hungry instead of running public swimming pools?

#87 | Posted by libslayer

Yes it was. Our governor who haapens to be republican cut the car tax that almost equals our entire debt.

So yes, our borrow and spend republicans are attempting to privatize our state by bankrupting it.

Which Texan is going to man-up and answer my question without bashing immigrants. As I stated I was speaking about Texas citizens.

#80 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2009-07-02 01:06 PM

Legal or illegal? There are plenty of both and you didn't clarify it.

so giving tax breaks to small business does not help with this.... Creating more small business creates jobs Dumbass... Wait till all the small businesses comes flocking to Texas for less taxes. how will that help your issue...

What about the people? What does Texas do for its citizens?

#52 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2009-07


RIGHT TO WORK...is a principle one..and that makes a difference in a lot of ways..

energy...well beFORE that industry is raped by progressives for power....

there are pretty blue bonnets on the hiway in the spring

and well.......IM HERE...........

So, should I decide to, am I allowed to move to Texas or will y'all blockcade your state's borders to ALL Californians -- even the non-faggoty ass ones -- who might seek refuge in the Lone Star state?


oh, and btw --


currently know of an apt. or guesthouse maybe coming up for rent in the near future? Want to try renting for at least 6 months 'till I find out for sure I'm going to stay should I decide to migrate there. Along or not too far from the coast would be nice but I won't be too picky. lol

#76 | Posted by CalifChris at 2009-


now sweety ...I have told you before that I will speak for you.
I have it all ready to go

"gentlemen of the committee, I want to speak for california chris in her search for the promise land
and I can vouch for her..for a liberal she doesnt smell all THAT bad....

and see there...my recommendation will get you where ever you want
but remember AUSTIN is the place you might enjoy more than others.......hill country is real nice..just dont stop on any little bridge in the spring..the water will drown you in about 20 mins....

#90 | Posted by Petrous

Yes, Times are tough and some sacrafices may need to be made. They could always attempt to get college volunteers for college credit to work the pools. We must be creative these days.

#94 | Posted by afkabl2

The RIGHT TO WORK does not extend to the structural 5-7% unemployed. The RIGHT TO WORK means nothing if there is not a job to go to.

Goat,
you never answered my question above, what would you offer the structurally unemploed?

PROLIX247 The tax break helps it. By creating more jobs.

#92 | Posted by CalifChris

I said Texas citizens. The only way one can interpret that is legal citizen. Most here would not consider an illegal a citizen unless they are deflecting from the question. It is rather simple.

What services should structurally unemployed US/Texas legal (for those who need this clarifier) citizens be afforded?

currently know of an apt. or guesthouse maybe coming up for rent in the near future? Want to try renting for at least 6 months 'till I find out for sure I'm going to stay should I decide to migrate there. Along or not too far from the coast would be nice but I won't be too picky. lol

#76 | Posted by CalifChris
along the coast? are you kidding, inland texans are tired of subsidizing coastal texans property insurance rates.

Do you know that July 1, the republicans added 3 billion additional dollars to the debt because they would not agree to an education reduction of 3 billion in fiscal year 2009?


In California, education dollars for future years is based on the funding dollars from the immediate previous year. The democrats were will to reduce educational spending by 3 billion in 2009 in order to save 3 billion dollars in fiscal year 2010. The republicans said NO.

First of all that is misleading.

(By allowing the fiscal year to end without trimming $3.3 billion from the 2008-09 education budget, lawmakers and Schwarzenegger lost the chance to cut spending in a manner considered crucial to bridging the $24 billion deficit.

Instead, Senate Republicans, Democrats and the GOP governor remained in a political standoff over other parts of the budget, particularly how much to slash...)
www.edweek.org

I guess you forgot about the $12 billion tax increase last year. Only a dem would back raising taxes $12 billion so we can have a $24 billion debt the next year.

Last year, both a handful of legislative Republicans and the Republican governor agreed to about $12 billion in new taxes.
www.npr.org

but remember AUSTIN is the place you might enjoy more than others.......hill country is real nice..just dont stop on any little bridge in the spring..the water will drown you in about 20 mins....

#95 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-07-02 01:37 PM

Maybe I will take a good look at Austin. I have my AAA book on Texas and other reference material. Never gave Austin much thought but since you recommended it.....

What more can you do. You think the gov should just pay the way of these people.

You can't show me one case of a kids death due to lack of care...

along the coast? are you kidding, inland texans are tired of subsidizing coastal texans property insurance rates.

#101 | Posted by reinsurelaw at 2009-07-02 01:48 PM

I'd probably be flooded out with the first hurricane of the season.

Okay then, I'll consider a smaller to medium-sized inland city -- not toooooo hot though and a river or two and/or a lake not too far away would be nice. Los Angeles has more than 4 million people so actually "any" city would look "smaller" to me.

It always goes right back to Texas - so funny! Why is that? I know it's perfect and all but most of you don't know that, so why the obsession with Texas? Is it like the Palin obsession? I'm so sick of reading about her....

I've been in this hell-hole Arizona for 3 years and I can't WAIT to get back!

Maybe I will take a good look at Austin. I have my AAA book on Texas and other reference material. Never gave Austin much thought but since you recommended it.....

#103 | Posted by CalifChris


I think most posters here from texas will admit thats one of the prettier places. but remember some of the hill country northwest of austin is pretty expensive ..lots of golf courses and places that cost some bucks..

austin city is alive most of the time with all sorts of things to do.

OF course a womaN OF YOUR AGE....well I dont know about 6th street....LOL..........(it IS 6th street, right?)

if your a lib. Austin is a good fit.

#99 | Posted by libslayer

In no way does a tax break help structural unemployment. You do not understand the concept.

Lets say Texas had 100% employment due to the republican magical tax break.

Now, let's say a widget maker wants to open a new factory in Texas that will employ 1,000 new workers.

Where would those workers come from? Everyone is already employed?

1,000 Texans would have to be willing to leave their current jobs to work for the new widget factory.

In order for the widget factory to pull people away from their current employment they would have to offer a higher wage to attracted those workers.

The employer where that worker already resides would have to offer an even higher pay scale than the widget maker in order to maintain his production while labor prices spiral up and profit decreases.

In odder to keep the cost of labor down, you must have a ready pool of stagnate employees to pull from when needed. Hence structural unemployment.

The caveat is those stagnate employees must be educated, fed, clothed, and kept healthy for the system to work. Hence social services.

6th street XD - pretty fun.


SxSW is something to see, but DFW is the best ( :P to you Austin)

#102 | Posted by crispee_oc

You proved I was correct but you are saying the tax increase was not needed? How do you close a budget gap that was created by repealing a car TAX. You have to reinstate some kind of tax to replace it.

What is your point?

Are you proving that you don't understand economics?

You have to pay as you go, not borrow until the interest rates are no longer sustainable.

#104 | Posted by libslayer

That is such a stupid comment it is not even worth replying to...

I guess when they hit 100% they will have to deal with that. Maybe take some of the CA unemployed and put them to work....


Again how many kids in Texas are dead due to this.....

Goat, you never answered my question above, what would you offer the structurally unemploed?

I didn't answer it because it didn't appear to be addressed to me.

What is structurally unemployed?

prolix, I just read your 67 and I think I understand the term 'structural unemployed', but not 100% sure. Does this number (50,000 in your hypothetical) include those who choose not to work for whatever reason?

CHRis

there are great places all over well EXCEPT DALLAS with those FUCKIN COWBOys.......booooooooooo


but whereever you look at
BRING YOUR FAN..its a hot mother...


speaking of hot 'mothers'....leaving now to check out the mother on the other side of the bibliotech

AND OUT

How did a topic of several states shutting down turn into a "pull apart Texas economics" discussion.

Thread De-rail.

#116 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-07-02 02:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Bah - you mean the Dallas Criminals? Yes, I must admit - that is one bad thing about DFW.

What is structurally unemployed?

#114 | Posted by goatman


It is the percentage of people over the amount of available employment. Is historically stood at 5% but will be higher due to this recession/depression.

#67 | Posted by Prolix247
In this post I both you and Lib, what should be done with the structurally unemployed?

These states love NAFTA and what it brings to the state, let them have all the benefits of NAFTA too.

nothing in the State of Texas. They are as low as it gets %5. What is the issue....

#115 | Posted by goatman

No, those people fall under a broader term of "People able to work but no longer looking." These are people who have the education/trade skills that may be seasonal or are undergoing a field change, such as auto workers. They will fall under the broader term.

That is not to say they won't end up in the structurally unemployed due to skill set replacement. They may need to retrain.

#121 | Posted by libslayer

5% is just a number. Now tell me how many human beings 5% equates to in Texas. That is what we are talking about. What do you do with those people?

Prolix - why is this such a thing for you? This topic is about 5 different states having to shut down. Why are you so interested in Texas?

These states love NAFTA...

They do? LOL. I love it when someone pretends to know what the people several states away love. LOL

I happen to know that everyone in the Pacific NW loves NAFTA, too. (see how silly it looks?)

Again nothing. The question is what are they going to do to better the situation they're in....

How did a topic of several states shutting down turn into a "pull apart Texas economics" discussion.
Thread De-rail.
#117 | Posted by badjuju

Are Goat and Bibble here?

All it takes is for one less than glowing appraisal of Texas and that's that.

Sorry, guys.

Why are you so interested in Texas?

He's trying to trap me so that he can apply another attempted insult like:

Did you also go to school in Texas. It would explain alot...

#89 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2009-07-02 01:28 PM

If he was really interested in debate, he'd shy away from retorts like this.

How did a topic of several states shutting down turn into a "pull apart Texas economics" discussion.

Sour grapes again.

#124 | Posted by badjuju

I am using Texas simply as an example of social responsibility due to everyone else here speaking about Texas. It could really be any state and it would be the same conversation. But it seems there are several people here posting from Texas so I am using a familiar place to show the impact of ideology regarding social responsibility.

I have nothing against Texas. I am from California if you haven't already guessed.

I am from California if you haven't already guessed.

#130 | Posted by Prolix247

LOL. Tell us more about how Texas is fucked up.

If he was really interested in debate, he'd shy away from retorts like this.

#128 | Posted by goatman

Oh I am interested in the debate. I have taught this subject at my local Junior College.

Here is an example of why I made that comment. After explaining to lib that people who fall into structural unemployment will never have a job to go to I got this response.
.........

Again nothing. The question is what are they going to do to better the situation they're in....

#126 | Posted by libslayer
...........

So I would say who is really interested in this topic and who is ignoring the facts and playing "so what?"

Texas is just a bunch of rednecks... you Cali people would not like it. After all rednecks don't know shit... Have fun with your IOU's.... I wonder if Sheryl Crow is ok with you wiping your ass with IOU's.... I bet she says only one IOU per shit...

So I would say who is really interested in this topic

To be honest, I'm not really interested in structural unemployment. I never even heard the term until today.

How much has been spent on the Iraq war?

#131 | Posted by wisgod

Where did I say that, oh wise one?

#133 | Posted by libslayer

Let's not go down the simple minded road okay?

#134 | Posted by goatman

That is where your tax dollars go. Supporting this underclass. It will only get worse in the years to come.

Why not use Oklahoma?


/evil grin

That is where your tax dollars go. Supporting this underclass.

Texas has a limit on unemployment benefits of 6 months. I presume this is for all unemployed 00 structural and otherwise.

if your a lib. Austin is a good fit.

#108 | Posted by libslayer at 2009-07-02 01:57 PM

No, I'm not a lib but I pretty much get along with everybody. Besides, I'm not all that into making "party politics" a part of my lifestyle. I only care about getting a half way decent apt., if my neighborhood is safe, I can drink the water, there are some grocery and other stores nearby, a few fun places to go, I'll have a garage in which to park my car -- corny and regular things like that.

No, I'm not a lib but I pretty much get along with everybody. Besides, I'm not all that into making "party politics" a part of my lifestyle. I only care about getting a half way decent apt., if my neighborhood is safe, I can drink the water, there are some grocery and other stores nearby, a few fun places to go, I'll have a garage in which to park my car -- corny and regular things like that.

#141 | Posted by CalifChris at 2009-07-02 02:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Isn't that what we all want?

CalifChris

look into roundrock. nice place to live in Texas

Are you proving that you don't understand economics?


You have to pay as you go, not borrow until the interest rates are no longer sustainable.

#111 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2009-07-02 02:02 PM

What caused the deficit? State spending has increased 92 percent in 10 years

Adam Summers
January 26, 2009

In truth, California never really recovered from the last economic downturn. The state was riding high during the late 1990s, projecting record revenues as far as the eye could see, and spending every penny of them-and then some. Then the "dot-com" bubble burst and the state was caught off-guard and unprepared. By fiscal year 2003-04, officials were projecting a deficit of between $26 billion and $35 billion over 18 months. Some slick accounting moves and relatively minor measures pared the deficit somewhat, and a $15 billion "economic recovery bond" (Proposition 57) was passed by the voters in March 2004. The passage of the bond was a radical departure from typical government financing practices. General obligation bonds are usually reserved for large infrastructure projects that will benefit those that have to pay them off for years down the road. In this case the bonds were saddling future generations with debt to pay for today's day-to-day expenses. It's like using your credit card to buy groceries and pay your rent.

When Gov. Pete Wilson took office in 1991, the state budget was $51.4 billion. When he left eight years later, it was $75.3 billion. After five years of Gov. Davis's administration, the budget had jumped to $104.2, and after another five years under the stewardship of Gov. Schwarzenegger, it has continued to increase significantly to its present level of $144.5 billion. In just the last 10 years state spending has nearly doubled, increasing approximately 92 percent.
reason.org

Roundrock is very nice. Southlake is GORGEOUS - but pricey. However, coming from CA its inexpensive.

Goat BTW I told you Wackenhut is my weekend part time job. My main job is an ET. I couldn't live off the 10.91 an hour Wackenhut pays me.

#144 | Posted by crispee_oc

This is what caused the deficit.

theenvelope.latimes.com


His cut in the car tax cost the state $3.6 billion per year, making him directly responsible for pretty much all of today's $21-billion budget deficit.
..........


5 years = 18 billion
6 years = 21.6 billion


As I have said all along this is Arnold's mess alone. Arnold is just a girlie man for not taking responsibility for ruining the 8th largest economy in the world...

Posted by Prolix247 at 2009-06-18 06:13 PM | Reply

His cut in the car tax cost the state $3.6 billion per year, making him directly responsible for pretty much all of today's $21-billion budget deficit.

How do you explain the 2004 vote and still blame Arnold?

Where did I say that, oh wise one?

#136 | Posted by Prolix247

Did you also go to school in Texas. It would explain alot...

#89 | Posted by Prolix247

I'm sure you meant that as a compliment.

#149 | Posted by wisgod

That's a stretch, but Okay, you got me...

His cut in the car tax cost the state $3.6 billion per year, making him directly responsible for pretty much all of today's $21-billion budget deficit.
..........


5 years = 18 billion
6 years = 21.6 billion


As simple as that? Funny the voters approved that measure in 2004. Even funnier is your failure to respond to the 92% increase in spending from 1998-2008. Why? Because then you would have to blame your beloved dems running California into the ground.

#148 | Posted by crispee_oc

Arnold came in promising to be a reformer. To Terminate bad goverment. What did he reform? Nothing.

He immediately withdrew the State from suing Enron (who was a major contributor to his election) for their energy scheme which cost the State billions, then he repealed a needed tax in the car tax which led to where we are today.

Goat BTW I told you Wackenhut is my weekend part time job. My main job is an ET.

My non-union job pays me enough that I don't have to work weekends or my time off. Sorry to hear you work 7 days/wk, ratsa

Yea, unions! LOL

#151 | Posted by crispee_oc

Spending increase are not an issue if you collect the revenue to support it. We did until Arnold repealed a needed tax.

CalifChris

look into roundrock. nice place to live in Texas

#143 | Posted by libslayer at 2009-07-02 02:54 PM

Thanks, libslayer, don't recalling hearing of that city but I'll check it out.


We have a nice surplus in Texas because Republicans are running this state.


29 | Posted by fwthom at 2009-07-02 12:07 PM |

Please tell us who is running Indiana.

SNIPER:
That would be the war over states rights, or the war of northern aggression.

do you refer to the belief that any state or region has the right to peaceably secede and become an independent republic.

or, the right to keep slaves?

the first, of course, is illegal, see Texas v. White, where the SCOTUS ruled that while the union was "perpetual" and that secession ordinances were "absolutely null," membership nevertheless could be revoked "through revolution, or through consent of the States."

also, fyi, hostilities began on April 12, 1861, when Confederate forces attacked a U.S. military installation at Fort Sumter in South Carolina.

the secession papers themselves are also good source of why. SLAVERY seems to be the key idea and word.

Oh I am interested in the debate. I have taught this subject at my local Junior College.

#132 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2009-07-02 02:33 PM

I guess this is Arnolds fault as well? Were the dems in control of Sacramento back then?

In 2000 and 2002 changes in California state law allowed state, county and city workers to get more retirement benefits, and get them earlier. The changes dramatically increased pension benefits. Someone who worked for the government for 30 years would now get an amazing 90 percent of their salary for the rest of their life (instead of the previous 60 percent) and public safety workers were eligible to retire at a younger age.


At the time, the economy was going well and state and local governments rushed to implement these new benefits. Over the next six years, retirement costs for state employees increased by over 2,000 percent, and taxpayers went from footing $157 million in state pension benefits to over $2.7 billion per year.
www.redcounty.com


then he repealed a needed tax in the car tax which led to where we are today.

#152 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2009-07-02 03:29 PM |

Did the voters approve this measure in 2004?

excerpt from South Carolina's Declaration of Secession, adopted Dec. 24, 1860 , the first state to secede:

We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States. Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.

For twenty-five years this agitation has been steadily increasing, until it has now secured to its aid the power of the common Government. Observing the forms of the Constitution, a sectional party has found within that Article establishing the Executive Department, the means of subverting the Constitution itself. A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery. He is to be entrusted with the administration of the common Government, because he has declared that that "Government cannot endure permanently half slave, half free," and that the public mind must rest in the belief that slavery is in the course of ultimate extinction.

the following Feb., South Carolina joined the Confederate States of America. in April the American Civil War began when Confederate forces attacked the American fort at Fort Sumter, in Charleston, South Carolina, 1861.

Still want to balme everything on Arnold and the vehicle tax repeal Prolix?


Consider the boom cycle preceding this latest recession. In the five years between 2002 and 2007, combined state general-fund revenue increased twice as fast as the rate of inflation, producing an excess $600 billion. If legislatures had chosen to be responsible, they could have maintained all current state services, increased spending to compensate for inflation and population growth, and still enacted a $500 billion tax cut.

Instead, lawmakers spent the windfall. From 2002 to 2007, overall spending rose 50 percent faster than inflation. Education spending increased almost 70 percent faster than inflation, even though the relative school-age population was falling. Medicaid and salaries for state workers rose almost twice as fast as inflation.
www.reason.com

Prolix,

Thanks for answering my question. I think the gov't needs to go further. Close the pools completely. Forget about volunteers to run the pools. It still costs money to keep them open.

They are not a necessity of life. It is a want.
Eliminate the wanted expenses in gov't and we will find there is a lot of money uncovered.

It's the needs that come first, but our country has a lot of wanting that people think are needs.

...and South Carolina still flies the the flag of the Confederacy. SC was forced by public outcry recently to remove that flag from atop the capitol where it flew next to the U.S Flag, Old Glory.

disgracefully, SC only removed it to another nearby location still on public grounds at the capitol.

in fact in many of the recent news reports, regarding SC Governor Sanford's indiscretions, reported from the capitol, you can see the Confederate flag in the background.

a few other states incorporate designs of the Confederate flag in their states flags today.

this flag, like the Nazi flag, is to most a symbol of hatred and terror.

we ought to adopt the laws and attitudes of Germany regarding this insult and shame.

me? i was born in Fredericksburg, Virginia, and proud of it... for many reasons, but not that one.

O I GET IT NOW!

Prolix tried to take the heat off of his home state of California by bringing Texas into it, and being rude and shitty to Texans. AKA, stirring the pot.

Gotcha.

#164 | Posted by badjuju

You obviously did not read my post above. Would it make you feel better if all the times I inserted Texas I would have put California?

My statements would still all be true, from top to bottom. I could have said Mississippi, Alaska, New York, Oregon, it does not matter. My points would have been exactly the same.

If you were to ask me what would I do with the structural unemployed in my State. I would tell you that I would provide basic services for all children and disabled first, their parents second just as we do now. I don't want to see children starve or be deprived of medical attention.

I would also repeal the Prop 13 Commercial property clause and increase commercial property tax 3% this year and 2% in 5 years for a total of 5% over 5 years. If a business wants to relocate I would kick them in the ass with taxes to bring their product back into the state as well as audit them each and every year.

You see, there is no reason why I should need to take the heat off my home state. What heat is there to take off. That statement makes no sense what so ever.

So you can stop the strawman deflection about Texas. I was speaking to the ideology of class warfare and social responsibility.


#161 | Posted by crispee_oc

This is an argument you can have with yourself. When Arnold took office there was an 8 billion dollar surplus. Now we are 24 billion in the red. Does that sound familiar?

You are still pursuing an ideological stance instead of a pragmatic stance so I will not argue the points with you. When this entire episode plays out over the next few weeks we shall see who was closer to the mark.

#162 | Posted by Petrous

I agree 100%.

People need food and shelter to survive while business may want a tax break for greater profit. Which can we afford?

or to be fair

Business needs a modern infrastructure to be successful while a person on welfare may want a flat screen TV. Which can we afford?

The need or the want?

Prolix

You're one of my homies and don't live far from me, do you know if they are going to allow fireworks in L.A. this year? My city has pretty much restricted them altogether. I didn't know if they were going to hold them anywhere else -- maybe the Rose Bowl? Everyone is so paranoid about fires.

Prolix247
Please tell me what local Junior College you taught at so I can advise everyone to avoid it. You sound like one of those pompous intellectuals that follow the liberal creed: Do everything for everyone with everybody else's money.


We have a nice surplus in Texas because Republicans are running this state. It'll be fun to watch California, the land of fruits and flakes pass out those IOU's to all those lib teachers. Teach that, you fucks.

#29 | Posted by fwthom at 2009-07-02 12:07 PM |


It would be great if that were only going to happen. But sadly it won't. What will actually happen is the Milk distributor, the electric company, the food distributor, the concrete contractor, the plumbing contractor etc. etc. will be the ones expected to accept an IOU. Trust me, teachers will get the cash as well as most govt. workers. It's the people and small businesses in private enterprise that butter their bread that'll take it in the shorts.

PROLIX247: People need food and shelter to survive while business may want a tax break for greater profit. Which can we afford?

or to be fair

Business needs a modern infrastructure to be successful while a person on welfare may want a flat screen TV. Which can we afford?

The need or the want?

that is a bunch nonsense. care to sort it out and try again, i mean if you really want a discussion? i won't do it for you, today, maybe some other time.

until then, that was really... silly.

Sadly WASHBOARD you are correct. There is no way the dems will let the unions suffer. As I previously wrote on another blog - the standard union negotiations:
Unions: We want more money and benefits
Pols: We have no money to give you.
Unions: How about the money for schools?
Pols: We can't do that, what about the teachers?
Unions: Give it to us and float a school bond. The dummies will vote for that.
Pols: We just had a school bond. How can we pay for them?
Unions: No problem. A school bond gets added to property taxes and bypasses Prop 13.
Pols: That's a good idea. Can we depend on your vote.
Unions: You get our vote and our money, Partner.

Unions: No problem. A school bond gets added to property taxes and bypasses Prop 13.

#172 | Posted by DarwinWasRight

Some people will buy off on this because property taxes are a write-off. But after the write-off there is a lack of funds received by the state so it does not cover the costs.

I have got to get out of this state.

"I have got to get out of this state.

#173 | Posted by chickenrancher "

You live in California? Need a bus ticket?

"I have got to get out of this state."

#173 | Posted by chickenrancher

Suicide is painless,
Don't let me stop you, shitstain.

#175 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2009-07-02 09:37 PM | Reply | Flag : He does it all the time. Just ask him.

I don't know if Retort ads are the same on everyone's link, but mine in NJ have endless Jon Corzine political ads.
This asshole got flushed/parachuted ($450 million worth of parachute) from Wall Street and bought the governorship. He has just penned the largest, most debt-ridden budget in our state's history. He bought a house for a rancid female girlfriend who happened to head one of the biggest labor unions in the state (gee? No conflict for approving the contract, gov?) Like the last few "transparent presidencies," Corzine refused to release e-mails to the broad claiming (Hi, Mr. Nixon!) executive priviledge.
His Retort ads brag Corzine signed the "first economic stimulus package."
Does anyone who can read believe this nonsense anymore? I got the choice of voting for this bearded fraud or a "law and order" Republican who believes everything he does is pre-approved by the Constitution as well. In fact, BOTH these turds believe the burden of proof is on US if we question constitutional matters.

Sorry for the wisecrack against Corzine's beard. I like it. Makes it feel like an ass.


"I have got to get out of this state."


#173 | Posted by chickenrancher


Suicide is painless,
Don't let me stop you, shitstain.

#175 | Posted by Zatoichi

All that will be left in California are the Gays and the Libs. They can live off of love...

Suicide is painless

Tell that to these people

"All that will be left in California are the Gays and the Libs."

Don't forget the meskins.
~Punchy Moo

"suicide with an electric drill"

egads ...

That's just weird.

Should we provide medical care for those in need and feed the hungry instead of running public swimming pools?

#90 | Posted by Petrous

.......depends......do you mean heated pools ?.....

#36 | Posted by jackass at 2009-07-02 12:13 PM

Rcade should pay me for educating you rethugs day after day

Demand payment by the word or by the letter or by the stroke, don't let him con you by agreeing to pay you for each of your profound and insightful thoughts.

#98 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2009-07-02 01:43 PM

you never answered my question above, what would you offer the structurally unemploed?

Come on Prolix, get real. There are people who are unemployable because they are disabled, physically or mentally or emotionally. This hard core is difficult to employ except in sheltered workshops if at all, and their employment is often more costly than just providing them with support.

The remainder of the so-callled "structurally unemployed" are those who are "transtionally unemployed" for reasons of their own, and who are between jobs, will be getting another job when they return to the labor market. The core of employable unemployed consists of a constantly changing population.

Then there are the underemployed, those capable of and interested in acquiring skills that enable them to secure more remuterative employment.

And of course, there are those not interested in employment, some of whom rely on welfare, community support for successive generations, and the scammers and criminals.

There usually is no "hard core" of structurally unemployed. some 5% or 6% provides flexibility to both job seekers and employers. Where I reside, retailers and fast food operations could not find sufficient help to staff their facilities with unemployment at that rate. Jobs are available with that unemployment rate.

What is it, Prolix, that you are indicating. The so-called "structural unemployed" are not a core of the same people. Work on that idea.

There is certainly a problem now that Obama's initiatives are destroying the system that provided employment. There are trained, able, ready, and willing people seeking work, but Obama's Marxian outlook ignores the necessity to create wealth through employment, and makes its priority redistribution of wealth according to the priorities of a man who is a profession aggrieved street agitator, and the product of a corrupt political machine whose program is to distribute inordinate wherewithal to those who help maintain them in power. Unemployment may reach 30% when the second whammy of Obama's inflationery policies hist us.

Prolix, are you willing to stop illegal immigration, expel those in illegal immigrant status and their children, and fine the employers of illegal aliens a sufficient amount to deter them, possibly adding jail time? You do know that 25% of the children in California schools need English as a Second Language, so that 25% of 6.8 million. that would make a dent in the deficit as would their removal to Mexico, where they can qualify for Mexican medical care.

And what about amercing sanctuary cities. Since they provided for the presence of illegal aliens here, why not make them pay with their own rather than Other Peoples" Money?

It takes a great deal of unmitigated gall to accommodate your conscience at the expense of others. If you are so gracious and generous, why not figueratively don sackcloth and ashes, and use your wealth to support others. If you have a home, have others move into your accommodations. Talk is cheap. If it salves your conscience, fine. Do it on your own dime rather than commanding others how to live their lives to accommodate your tweaks of conscience. Do you ever think of yourself as a man with the morals and ethics of a corsair or brigand, taking from some at your discretion and giving to others of your choice?

Prolix, you're not really as noble as you view yourself as being.

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