I heard this news this morning. I hate hearing of these soldier kidnapping stories. We all know the torture kidnapped soldiers are put through before being killed -- usually by beheading. His family must be going through hell worrying about him.

Sure would be nice about now to be able to say, with credibility, that America does not torture.
Alas, we have lost that moral high ground.

NBC News reported that a representative of the Taliban had contacted the U.S. military in Afghanistan and provided details of the soldier's identity.

hopefully this means there is a possibility of his being alive and to return safely.

Sure would be nice about now to be able to say, with credibility, that America does not torture.
Alas, we have lost that moral high ground.

What the fuck does THAT liberal crap mean Danni? You think these taliban assholes give a fuck about THAT? They believe THEY have the moral high ground and I bet that american soldier still gets found with his head cut off. The high ground, what the fuck are you even talking about? Do you even know? It's not going to get him home any quicker, and it DAMN sure isnt going to get him treated any better. We could give them sheep and goats and kiss their asses everyday, THEY WOULD STILL CUT YOUR FUCKING HEAD OFF IN THE NAME OF ISLAM. I wish you would get a clue. Us having the moral high road, which we do, means NOTHING to our enemies. It never did. The only thing that matters is us protecting those who arent taliban and keeping the fuck out of their compounds. I sit here in this shithole everyday and take rockets. Where is the morality of my enemy? Get on the right team for once. Being where I am right now, reading what you wrote, that is about the dumbest thing I have read on this blog..

Yeah Danni!

Get on the RIGHT team!

Being where I am right now, reading what you wrote, that is about the dumbest thing I have read on this blog..

#4 | Posted by boaz at 2009-07-02 01:46 PM

Really?

Review some of your rants, GI Joe.

Sure would be nice about now to be able to say, with credibility, that America does not torture.
Alas, we have lost that moral high ground.

#2 | Posted by danni at 2009-07-02 12:10 PM | Reply

You're a retard.

What good would that do, stupid? Honestly? You think that would keep that soldier from being harmed?
For fucks sake, liberals are the most naive fucks in the entire world.

Captured?
Bought, more likely. Wonder where they learned that thing?

Sure Danni. I'll bet those terrorist cut his head off with cold air and Metallica music.

We should not be in the land where nations fail in the first place. There is no strategic advantage for us being their. If big oil wants a pipe line let them pay the indigenous people for their land and be done with it...

Don't those insurgents know that torture is illegal? If they do something wrong Barry and the libs will give them quite a tongue lashing.

wow, danni cannot even find it within herself to condem this action or the beheading of soldiers and civilians in the past. lost the moral high ground. good Lord what is wrong with your sense of humanity?

And you Jerry? LOL, at last we have a couple liberal opinions of our troops deployed overseas. you use them for a political foil and it seems that is all they are worth to both you. you mock a soldier deployed overseas by calling him "GI Joe". you're priceless.

Funny thing is though, it really would be nice if the soldier's captors didn't know that the U.S. has regularly tortured members of the Taliban captured in the past.

"For fucks sake, liberals are the most naive fucks in the entire world."

I doubt she really believes that this guy would be OK if only we kept the "moral high ground". (which is an assinine concept in the first place especially when talking about two cultures with entirely different perceptions of morality)

It is much more likely that she just saw this guy's horrible situation as an opportunity to take a political jab at the "other side".

"Sure would be nice about now to be able to say, with credibility, that America does not torture.
Alas, we have lost that moral high ground.

#2 | POSTED BY DANNI "

Can't you say something nice for the soldier or his family? Offer up a little prayer for him and/or his family? Why just seize on the opportunity to bash America? So what if we tortured a few very bad people, do you think that would change this soldier's situation? Do you think these terrorists would honestly say, "Well America doesn't torture so we should call the Red Crescent to observe his detention and let the world know he's okay in accordance with the Geneva Conventions?"

I hope they find him and kill those who took him. Or if they sadly don't find him in time I hope they slowly kill those who took him.

"...after he walked off post with three Afghan counterparts..."

Sounds like some 'splainin's in order.

"We don't do torture."
George W Talibush

""We don't do torture."
George W Talibush

#18 | POSTED BY NORTHGUY3 "

I can think of a quote from Dick Cheney that should be sent your's and Danni's way for politicizing a thread about one of our kidnapped heroes.

Like the words or actions we've taken with terrorists we have in our prisons would harm or protect this soldier in anyway. Grow up.

Greendad: i disagree with your presumption. i do suspect that our treatment of the Taliban who we capture does in fact impact on how they feel compelled to treat American soldiers who they capture. Tit and tat. Goose and gander. Etc.

For fucks sake, liberals are the most naive fucks in the entire world.

#7 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2009-07-02 03:21 PM | Reply | Flag: But Torture Werks!

"i do suspect that our treatment of the Taliban who we capture does in fact impact on how they feel compelled to treat American soldiers who they capture."

Daniel Pearl wasn't even a soldier, let's ask him how his captivity went before anyone even knew about waterboarding.

Oh right... whoops.

And how is waterboarding vs. decapitation "tit and tat." I'm no Bush supporter, but the idea that this soldier is in any more danger from these people because of our interrogation policy then he would have been had Gitmo never existed I'm sorry is retarded.

Daniel Pearl was not a soldier. Exactly. The Taliban consider themselves soldiers on one level or another. Their treatment of our soldiers likely is impacted by our treatment of their soldiers. Although the rightwingers like to use Daniel Pearl as an all-purpose example, he is really a strawman in regard to U.S. soldiers who might be captured.

"i do suspect that our treatment of the Taliban who we capture does in fact impact on how they feel compelled to treat American soldiers who they capture."

They were head choppers and torturers before they found out the US tortured any of them. Hell, they tortured their own people in public stadiums for years before we invaded Afghanistan. So I don't see how reality relates to your position.

I would call our techniques torture but playing tit for tat would only make the Taliban milder. Waterboarding would be a nice break for the captive compared to their usual techniques.

Not saying I want to be waterboarded but if I had to choose between that and having a car battery wired to my balls.....

I don't think we should be torturing people, BTW. I just believe that the Taliban was doing their worst before we started to torture and I'm not going to pretend otherwise to advance an anti-torture arguement...

No question the Taliban have never been gentle. But on some level it MUST have an impact on the Talibani captors knowing how we mistreated their comrades in similar circumstances.

Well at least we don't have to worry about him being tortured. I mean it's not like we torture them so he'll get 3 hots and a cot, and some candy and magazines from The Red Cross, and maybe even internet access or TV!

At some level it must be completly obvious that you are a Fucking retard.

What the TAliban do to this poor soldier we have not control over but if we still posessed the moral high ground about torture we would have, at least, a cridible position from which to condemn them. As it is though, the rest of the Muslim world will just say tit for tat. Pretend that is just my attempt to take a swipe at the other side except that many responsible members of the "other side" have said exactly the same thing.

Danni,

so if they cut his head off we deserve it?

Sure would be nice about now to be able to say, with credibility, that America does not torture.
Alas, we have lost that moral high ground.

#2 | Posted by danni

What an evil and self-centered thing to say!

The taliban would have tortured him whether we torture or not!

How naive you people are!

I certainly hope they do no more than torture this guy up to the level we torture. At least the guy will have a chance. But, I think it will go much much further.

Danni, who would you rather be tortured by? The US or the Taliban?

Lost in all the posts seems to be that many rightwingers here who used to deny that the U.S. tortured, are now tacitly acknowledging the fact.

"As it is though, the rest of the Muslim world will just say tit for tat"

Can someone explain to me how forcefully pouring water down a man's throat and decaptitation is "tit for tat?"

IMO, war is war, we take prisoners, we torture them and sometimes they die.

Our enemy takes prisoners, tortures them and sometimes they die.

That is war. There is no escaping that. That is the purpose; to kill and maim enough people until the other sides says "Uncle." It is ugly, brutal and very inhumane.

All WE have left as a nation is how did we conduct ourselves? Are we pleased with our behavior or not?

To different people that means different things.

I can tell you that when I was in the Gulf during GHWB's war I was comforted that I was covered under Geneva and I don't remember beheadings occurring then.

Can any one identify what has changed since then?

"Can any one identify what has changed since then?"

Has something really changed, or is it more that Hussein's Iraq was secular and didn't see it as "God's will" to behead the infidel?

Why did he go through the wire with a few natives at night?

Why did he go through the wire with a few natives at night?

Kinda fishy, ain't it?

#36 | Posted by GreenDad

I am impressed. You hit the nail right on the head. Sadaam was the lesser of the two evils we unleashed in Iraq.

nor, we do agree on that. It smells.

This is a disgrace. What kind of pussy soldiers have they created lately. One bullet reserved for the end. One never hears of Marines being captured.

What has Bush done in the last 8 years to create an Army of pussies?
F""K Afghanistan and Iraq. Bring these troops home to be retrained before putting them in harms way.

What kind of security, or lack thereof, is in place there? Damn Army went to hell since I left....

arm, I'll bet it has change a lot since I went through basic in 1968.

What kind of security, or lack thereof, is in place there?

I am hearing the guy normally went outside the wire with ISF to train them, so it probably wasnt unusual. Dont know what was in his head, but I bet right now he wishes he hadnt. They are pulling out all stops to look for this guy. I hope they find him. I dont trust ANY of the afghan army types, they look shady to me. Their special forces guys seem a little more dedicated.

Danni,

Sorry about the rant, I usually dont have a beef with you, even though we disagree...

Prolix, GW1 was a "stand up" war with an enemy in uniform. during OIF, once the uniformed Iraqi army was defeated, things obviously changed. insurgency, revolution, 4th generational warfare; whatever you want to call it. i think we are forgetting how Sadam treated POWs during GW1.