Bachmann is the poster child for right wing moonbats everywhere.

Yawn

She's inconsequential in so many ways....

"Moonbats?" That's a word I never heard before.

It doesn't matter what she says or does. We have enough single issue anti-abortion voters in this district she will be re-ellected until she retires.
mattm

I'm making no judgment on Bachman herself, so you political party loyalist can halt your mindless blabber.

America, are you taking notes?
The Republican names were:

Reps. Patrick McHenry (N.C.), Lynn Westmoreland (Ga.) and John Mica (Fla.)

Those who have followed Rep Bachman's stand know why she has taken the stand. We are supposedly required to fill out an 18 page scoop of every private aspect of our lives. Oh, of course all the dissenters are totally ok with telling the gov what time they leave for work in the morning and get home, if they have any psychological or medical issues,etc,etc. That is so relevant for census purposes.

For education purposes, she correctly asserts that the only constitutional requirement for the census is 'enumeration', the headcount question.

These three must be removed from office if they support the further gov power grab enslavement mentality.

When I read the article I was shocked. The government can fine you $5,000 for not filling out a complete census form? There are entire neighborhoods where few have a functional command of English. I would think that made-up answers would be more dangerous than leaving them blank.

The census should be just a handful of questions. How many people live here? Are they US citizens? What are their names? Thank you!

She is a moonbat for not wanting to fill out the census, but people who think george bush blew up the twin towers deserve nobel prizes.

I'll give them the head count, gender, and ages. They've been collecting my wife and my taxes our 11 years of working life. They better know fuck well we're U.S. citizens.

No more questions will be answered.

Charge me your fine. I'll wipe my ass with every hundo.

Bachmann is loony. She fits in perfectly with her political party.

by law all you have to do is a head count. don't have to answer the questions.

The fine is $100 I don't know where the 5k came from.

"Moonbats?" That's a word I never heard before.

#3 | Posted by Diablo

It applies to liberals.

#13 FF

Where does your right to privacy end and their right to your personal information began. The constitution calls for a head count every ten years, noo the pile of information they request.

Comm-on you libs. Arn't you for personal freedom?

If Republicans don't want to answer the Census, you'll get no arguments from me. It'll make you get undercounted for Congressional representation and your states will get less electoral votes, so I'm having trouble seeing the down side from my perspective.

As for me, I'm going to answer the Census early and often. I'm going to Census all night and Democratic Party every day.

Since it takes about 50 worthless Rtards to equal the value of a human being, not counting the assholes makes sense to me.

Make the fine about twelve cents for Republicans and encourage them not to be counted. Especially in Minnesota. Bachmann's district is the most likely to be eliminated if the number of congressmen is cut!!!

so fucking what. she's a moron.

Bachmann probably figures if she can keep her skanky face in the news often enough, the Rtards will nominate her for President in 2016.

She's probably right about that.

I'm going to Census all night and Democratic Party every day.

#16 | Posted by rcade at 2009-07-02 08:45 PM | Reply | Flag: Wannabe Kiss fan.

fan=groupie.

Let the leftwing libtards answer all the questions...you know, those libtards who go apeshit over their right to privacy...the privacy that covers their murder of infants, their drug addiction, their sodomy..etc. Let them answer the questions and be the first the govt. takes aim at.

Moonbat is a perfect word of description for these dolts!

Why -- How are your, people using the right to privacy to argue this? You don't believe in a right to privacy, remember? that is why you can insert your laws into a woman's doctor's office. That is why you get POed when the government isn't allowed to collect internet records, or to put up massive numbers wire taps and public taps. OH- you forgot. Oh- it's only your kind that deserve that right.

These census questions were started in the 80s at the executive branch's request (who was it that was Prez then?), because it save states and local government's the money that would be spent to collect the information in other ways in order to provide needed services. Like road repair. Remember how upset you get when pinko-fascist-commies don't fix the potholes in YOUR street. So 'those people' can get information out to the 'market' so the right kinds of business can be given tax breaks to get you hamburgers or steak dinners, depending on you income. et c. et c.

BTW, your privacy is protected because the names are not associated with the information once it has been collected (this has already been argued, alot.) And it is the same kind of system the Republicans want on voting records (only there they want the names attached to the record longer, at least some of them, depending on when they think new votes are needed, or some votes should be discarded.)

Also, it is possible to get all of this information, including that on population, much more accurately and in much cheaper and quicker ways. But the Repubs throw a hizzy fit if that is even suggested, a truly accurate count is not something they want.

The Constitution requires the government to take an enumeration every 10 years.

The word "enumeration" means: "1: to ascertain the number of: COUNT. 2: to specify one after the other: LIST:

The purpose of the enumeration is to determine the number of congressmen in the House of Representatives.

Anything beyond a head count is unconstitutional.

All other prying questions do not need to be answered.

As fewer and fewer people admit to being Rtards, the Party of Fail is going to fight even harder against any attempt at an accurate census. The losers have always fought against census taking since they know that accurately counting the poor and traditionally uncounted would lose them seats in state legislatures.

Little wonder that their new spokestwat rails so mightily against the census.

Bachmann better watch her back. She might wind up getting shot from a helicopter like some poor wolf in Alaska!!!

The census has been going on every ten years since the country began. People use it to trace their ancestors, and get a slice of life back in the day. Who lived where with who, what they did for a living. Really paranoid pants pissers think the government will come after them if they fill this out. The government doesn't need a census to come after you--all they need is the inclination.

I support all conservatives not answering the questions. The government can use the money from the fines, and you truly deserve to be forgotten by your descendants. It would save them a great deal of embarassment.

All other prying questions do not need to be answered.

#24 | Posted by gluon at 2009-07-02 10:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yeah---go with that. You can tell census workers to fuck off too--they can't do anything--they work for the government. Tell your friends the same thing. Only pussies fill out the whole form other than the---how many---part.

you libtards are so effing stupid. you don't need to answer what RACE you are, what your income is, or any other privileged information. why does it matter? the idea of a census it to get a headcount for voting purposes. instead we're going to have a political organization with it's own agenda collecting and disseminating this information. my household: 1 person. anything else you want to know about me? fuck you. THAT is not your right ACORN.

"when they kick in your front door, how you goona come? with your hands up in the air or on the trigger of your gun?"

my household: 1 person. anything else you want to know about me? fuck you. THAT is not your right ACORN.

#28 | Posted by edb at 2009-07-02 10:15 PM | Reply | Flag

I agree--you are a limp dick liberal if you fill out the census. But I bet edp turns into a big fat douche----answers every question----and serves the census worker coffee and donuts.

edp want to kill a few Americans---sounds like a potential Taliban recruit.

edp is just another pussy wanabe tough guy like snippy. Talks a big talk online but eats every little bit of shit his boss hands out at work and asks for more like a good little puppy dog.
Probably pees sitting down so he won't forget and leave the toilet lid up and have to take a beatdown from his wife NANC.

All this outrage, yet is any of this new? Is this the first census that has included an extended list of questions? Is this census any different than censuses of the past?

Also, is there an impeachment process for representatives that this crazy lady is flirting with by intentially, publically and nationally bragging about breaking federal law?

"when they kick in your front door, how you goona come? with your hands up in the air or on the trigger of your gun?"

Or like edb, on your dick covering the rapidly spreading wet spot?

"The 2010 Census will be a short-form only census and will count all residents living in the United States as well as ask for name, sex, age, date of birth, race, ethnicity, relationship and housing tenure taking just minutes to complete."

"The main purposes of census data are to provide the population counts needed to apportion seats in the House of Representatives and to determine state legislative district boundaries. Census data provides a snapshot of the nation, which helps define who we are. Census data directly affect how more than $300 billion per year in federal and state funding is allocated to local, state, and tribal governments.

Federal agencies use census data to distribute funds so that resources can be targeted to the areas in need as well as to assess the impact of their programs. At the state and local level, census data help decision makers plan economic development and assess the needs of their residents, such as the need for schools, hospitals, and job training. Grocery stores, restaurants, car dealerships, and other businesses use census data to help decide where to locate new outlets and offices."

I dunno. Looks kind of useful to me.

I dunno. Looks kind of useful to me.

And that many are having knee jerk reactions to something that isn't all that scary.

Reminds me a little of that conspiracy theory involving the Hawaiian Dept. of Health and .. oh, some certificate or another..

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In that case, 18 pages isn't nearly long enough. How often do you have sex? Do you have sex with members of your same sex? Is the sex unprotected? Have you had any children out of wedlock? What is your favorite brand of cereal? Do you have cable television? Have you rented a movie in the past three months, and if so, how many had the "R" rating? Have you knowingly employed illegal aliens at any time within the last ten years? Are you aware of an instance in which your neighbor has?

All those things are "useful" for someone in government to know. Whether or not it's their business is another.

They ain't a asking me no kinda questions bout no census. Thems is gonna see my new TV and my Fox News on the cable and raise my taxs to the moons. Michelle be reicht and she learned on her reichteness over to Jerry Falwell's school of learning higher for the Lord at the Liberty Univercity in Virginnia. Michelle done got the learning on the ACRONS and she be knowings what she be talking bout. USA USA USA!!!! DRILL THE BABY DRILL THE BABY!!!! WHITE PWER!!!! USA USA USA #1!!!

I hope we can do this census crap online

i guess you guys didn't get the Clash reference... The Guns of Brixton.

that's okay tell them everything they don't have a right to know...so they can COUNT your household. If you think questions other than that will help the Federal government divvy out money and assign numbers of representative districts, then you're a moron. for moonbats that are normally so concerned about privacy to think there is nothing wrong answering 18 pages of questions to get a headcount, well, i don't know how to describe that contradiction. fucking stupid? yea, that works.

Bob, that last thing on earth i ever want to do is kill anyone. and i sure as hell do not support the taliban. that said, i guess you never listened to the clash either. Axe, you're a tard. but then i believe everyone here understands that.

edp

What possible question could they ask you in the census that you don't answer for taxes every year, or for your employer or drivers license or marriage license--or to get a telephone line or cable or a cell phone.. You should have your paranoia checked. The government already knows every aspect of your life--they don't need a census to know any more. If they wanted you--you wouldn't be here.

i'm sorry, but that is not the point. the point is where does the right to privacy end when it comes to civic duty? or inversely, where does the right of the government to this information end?

if the information given is already available, why duplicate this information with anything other than a current headcount? why does the whitehouse want to control it? why is ACORN involved at all? why not allow the USPS to conduct it?

Anyway, here is an intersting link. this page links to the census questions for the past 150 years. 1850: list: "number of slave owners"... sheesh. we went from 13 questions (less schedule two which only involves slave owners [+ 8]), to how many pages? 18?

yea, yea, yea: "interesting".

also, marriage certificates and drivers licenses are instruments that allow the exercise of privileges. you are not required by law to have either unless you chose to exercise those privileges. you are required by law to complete the census. apples and oranges.

edp

You miss the point little mind. Your information is readily available to who ever wants it. You live in fear of the government, yet wave the flag at every opportunity. I bet you have several guns a good dog or three.

The Whitehouse doesn't want to control it. This isn't Obama's idea. It is what our country was founded on--you don't like it--GTFO.

you don't like it--GTFO

Anyone possessing ideas or beliefs different than da bOoB's has to leave. He is very intolerant of those who think differently than he does.

Better idea -- why don't you GTFO, bOoB? Move to a country where people are not allowed free thought and diversity is eschewed.

Why do you hate the very foundations that America was founded on? Maybe you hate America herself?

okay, i was trying to be civil with you in this discussion, but obviously that's not possible. you're not Bob anymore. now you're BoOb to me as well. i do not own any firearms, nor a dog; none of your business anyway.

better yet, the last weapon i possessed was an M16A2 i would draw from the arms room. have you ever worn a uniform? i think i have the right to STAY here in the U.S.A. and express my views. screw off.

besides, and on point, the census traditionally reports to the commerce secretary. PBHO had it moved to the WH because some in congress feared PBHO's republican appointee to the commerce department would not carry out a fair census. any other deflections BoOb?

yea, the white house doesn't want to control it like he doesn't want to run auto companies.

I hope Bachman's fans in her district listen to her. I believe they only need to come up 6000 short on the Census for her to lose her seat.

My initial diagnosis for Rep. Bachmann was menopause.
I must now amend that to tertiary syphilis.

Palin/Bachmann 2012!

I hope Bachman's fans in her district listen to her. I believe they only need to come up 6000 short on the Census for her to lose her seat.

#51 | Posted by YAV

Why do you act so stoopid? The head count is fine, all the other questions are the problem. If they have the information already, they don't need it again.

Why is the WH trying to take over the job if there is nothing to gain by it?

deb

better yet, the last weapon i possessed was an M16A2 i would draw from the arms room. have you ever worn a uniform?

None of your business---would you have more rights than me if I didn't?

i think i have the right to STAY here in the U.S.A. and express my views. screw off.

Any rights you have come from the government.

besides, and on point, the census traditionally reports to the commerce secretary. PBHO had it moved to the WH because some in congress feared PBHO's republican appointee to the commerce department would not carry out a fair census. any other deflections BoOb?

I agree---it was a poor choice by BHO, and the republican can't be counted on--a republican would not be fair and impartial, and would not carry out a fair census..

yea, the white house doesn't want to control it like he doesn't want to run auto companies.

Would it have been better to let the auto companies fail? GM is almost recognized as the Standard for America---our eyes as an economic power would have been damaged had it failed. Then there are the people out of jobs, but what would you care about that---that's why I brought up the world wide perception of GM first. In addition--do you think BHO has plans to keep GM? You do realise the same thing happened in the 80's with the Savings and Loan crisis don't you? Probably not---that was probably before your time.

#50 | Posted by edb at 2009-07-03 06:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

The government has the right to now who its citizens are, where they work, and anything else they'd like to ask. All rights come from the government.

The government has the right to now who its citizens are, where they work, and anything else they'd like to ask. All rights come from the government.

#56 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob

That may be how it works now but not what is in the constitution.

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That may be how it works now but not what is in the constitution.

#57 | Posted by Sniper at 2009-07-03 11:32 AM | Reply | Flag:

That's the way it has always been. That's what's in the Constitution.

"[An] Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct."

How on earth did people get the idea that the 2010 Census is *eighteen pages long*?

"The 2010 Census questionnaire will be sent to every housing unit in the country. The person in who fills out the form (Person 1) will provide the household information, including whether the home is rented or owned, and will answer just seven questions about every household member, including himself or herself:

* Name.
* Sex.
* Age/birth date.
* Hispanic ethnicity.
* Race.
* Relationship to the person filling out the form.
* Other residence, for example, military or college residence, if they sometimes live at another address."

Ever volunteered for a survey before? Those are standard questions for establishing demographics. And you're damn right, that's useful. :)

The government has the right to now who its citizens are, where they work, and anything else they'd like to ask. All rights come from the government.

#56 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-07-03 10:55 AM

i suppose we must agree to disagree on this point Bob. perhaps this is why we are at such odds on this subject. i believe we the people grant the government power to govern. one form of that power is the ability to elect representatives.

take a look at the first couple paragraphs of the declaration of independence. it reiterates my point about where government's power is derived.

Cut the poor girl some slack. This bluff about refusing to fill out the census is just a cover for the fact that she doesn't understand the questions on it...

edb

i believe we the people grant the government power to govern. one form of that power is the ability to elect representatives.

You believe that because that is what the government tells you. It is similar to a wife telling a husband that he's in charge.

take a look at the first couple paragraphs of the declaration of independence. it reiterates my point about where government's power is derived.

The Declaration of Independence is a letter to King George--nothing more--it has no legal bearing on life, and Jefferson spoke for no Creator. No Creator ever gave anyone any rights.

Your rights come from the Constitution, and should be enforced by the President. The Constitution is a government document. All rights come from the government. Not all rights come from the Constitution.

#61 | Posted by edb at 2009-07-03 01:10 PM | Reply | Flag

Gee, bOoB -- I've been wondering how long until you trotted out the "all rights come from the government" thing. I thought it came after "smokestacks on the moon", but before "antennae you can get to, but you gun you can't get to" rant.

But I'm glad you are shuffling limited repetroire of 5 or 6 rants. It keeps us on our toes.

I'm sympathetic to bob's all rights come from the government argument because unless your right is recognized by the gov it doesn't exist for all intents and purposes.

I'm sympathetic to bob's all rights come from the government argument because unless your right is recognized by the gov it doesn't exist for all intents and purposes.

It absolutely exists. You can be arrested/killed for excericising them, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

JPW

What do you think "for all intents and purposes" means?

In a practical sense bob is 100% correct.

"You can be arrested/killed for excericising them, but that doesn't mean they don't exist."

Which makes them useless.

JPW

So if I kill someone, I had the right to do it. Just because I was arrested or killed for exercising that right, doesn't mean I didn't have the right to kill someone else? Is that your point?

Which makes them useless.

That is if you operate under the mentality that we've come to expect in this country. Did they mean nothing when our founding fathers committed treason by exercising those rights?

So if I kill someone, I had the right to do it. Just because I was arrested or killed for exercising that right, doesn't mean I didn't have the right to kill someone else? Is that your point?

Boob, I don't even know what the fuck you're talking about. Where did I, in any way, indicate one has the right to kill someone?

My point is there is no connection between having a right and the possibility of consequences due to exercising those rights. The possibility of negative consequences resulting from the expression of one's rights has no bearing on the existence of those rights to begin with.

" Did they mean nothing when our founding fathers committed treason by exercising those rights?"

They didn't exercise any rights. They created new rights by their actions.

They didn't exercise any rights. They created new rights by their actions.

I'm sure that would be news to them.

The whole spirit of the declaration of independence was that the rights held by each person as a member of humanity were not being respected by their government and, therefore, the government was illegitimate. The Constitution then further spells out those rights as the founders saw them as a way of prohibiting intrusion or denial of those rights in a point in the future.

"The whole spirit of the declaration of independence was that the rights held by each person as a member of humanity were not being respected by their government and, therefore, the government was illegitimate."

Yeah, well, rights can be useful to rally people. But there are no inalienable, self-evident rights. That was just rhetoric, propaganda to justify their cause.

But there are no inalienable, self-evident rights

I wholeheartedly disagree.

No one can prevent you from speaking your mind. They may kill you for what you say, but you have still exercised your right and have spoken your mind.

And where do these magical, inalienable, self-evident rights come from?

Boob, I don't even know what the fuck you're talking about. Where did I, in any way, indicate one has the right to kill someone?

What is the difference between saying you have the right to Free Speech even though you may be killed for it---and saying you have the right to Kill even though you may be killed for it? I see no difference in those rights--can you explain?

My point is there is no connection between having a right and the possibility of consequences due to exercising those rights.

Your point is mistaken. You have a right when it is protected by negative consequences for anyone who violates that right. The government decides which rights to protect and which not to protect. That's why abortion and guns are such hot topics---people want different rights from the government, and the government decides those rights. If the government decides you can't have any guns, then you don't have the right to own a gun. Simply owning a gun doesn't give you the right to have a gun. Simply saying you have Free Speech doesn't mean you have it.

The possibility of negative consequences resulting from the expression of one's rights has no bearing on the existence of those rights to begin with.

Again, you are mistaken. Negative consequences for exercising a right means you don't have that right. If every time you try to speak freely, someone knocks you down, you don't have the right to free speech. You have the right to speak---but it isn't FREE---there is a price to pay. If they cut out your tongue, they can even take your right of speech away. No one talks about a right of sight--but they can take that too.

Dying doesn't mean you have a right to life.

#70 | Posted by jpw at 2009-07-03 03:56 PM | Reply | Flag

And where do these magical, inalienable, self-evident rights come from?

I don't have a fucking clue. So what.

Just answer the questions completely wrong. Same should always be done for polls.

What is the difference between saying you have the right to Free Speech even though you may be killed for it---and saying you have the right to Kill even though you may be killed for it? I see no difference in those rights--can you explain?

That's because you are an idiot who oversimplifies things.

But let's go with it. If you get killed for killing someone-YOU'VE ALREADY EXERCISED YOUR RIGHT TO KILL! The response of being killed or arrested occurs BECAUSE YOU HAVE ALREADY DONE SOMETHING. You see?

So unless the government can somehow start knowing what you're going to say before you say it, but allows you to say it anyway before arresting you, rights do not come from the government.

That's why abortion and guns are such hot topics---people want different rights from the government, and the government decides those rights. If the government decides you can't have any guns, then you don't have the right to own a gun. Simply owning a gun doesn't give you the right to have a gun. Simply saying you have Free Speech doesn't mean you have it.

No, abortion and gun control are hot topics because people want to control other people's exercising of their rights. But again, this limitation doesn't abrogate the right's existence. You can still get an abortion if they're illegal just as you can still own a gun if it were illegal.

Negative consequences for exercising a right means you don't have that right. If every time you try to speak freely, someone knocks you down, you don't have the right to free speech.

See above. Hell see any of the posts on these discussions today or any other day.

If they cut out your tongue, they can even take your right of speech away.

Bob,
The other problem you have is you seem to forget that rights and legalities are two mutually exclusive things. There have been many laws and legal issues throughout the years that have been overturned due to infringements on people's rights. That's the entire reason we have the Supreme Court-to ensure that the will of the people is tyrannical.

Also, I dare you to walk into a prison block and declare that since something is illegal, you can't do it.

Whoops, should be "to ensure that the will of the people is NOT tyrannical."

And where do these magical, inalienable, self-evident rights come from?

I don't have a fucking clue. So what.

#77 | Posted by jpw

Argument over, junior. You lost. Next!

They didn't exercise any rights. They created new rights by their actions.

#71 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-07-03 04:01 PM

according to you, Null, one creates them by their own actions. kinda of support JPW's and my argument doesn't it?

that was too easy...

Null is a moron.

Argument over, junior. You lost. Next!

Not exactly dipshit. Asking an unanswered question is hardly "winning."

I obviously disagree that rights come from the government and since I don't really believe in God as prescribed by any major religion, a third option exists I guess. If I haven't figured out what exactly that is, that isn't indicative of it's nonexistence.

JPW,

Sure, in your mind you have right to kill someone by killing someone, you have excersized your right over that person, but the government has the right to arrest you, and it might excersize that right.

"rights" are nothing more than permissions and entitlements, descibing a relationship between entities. They describe what is permissible, and entitled/priviledge, for the subordinate entity.

JPW

People in this country mostly agree that they do not have the right to kill. So--your point is refuted since you equate the right to kill with the right to Free Speech. People in this country generally agree that you have the right to Free Speech. That is because the government gave you that right---the government did not give you the right to kill, so you don't have that right. However, the government does give some individuals the right to kill, and they have that right--soldiers for one category. The government decides who has what rights, and those rights change from government to government, and over time.

you have the right to Free Speech. That is because the government gave you that right---

#87 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob

The government doesn't have "rights" to give. The government is an elected body and can be taken out at the next election. And should be.

Sniper

You are mistaken. Without the government to protect your rights---you have no rights.

They've been collecting my wife and my taxes our 11 years of working life. They better know fuck well we're U.S. citizens.

No more questions will be answered.

Charge me your fine. I'll wipe my ass with every hundo.

#8 | Posted by wurster at 2009-07-02 08:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ummmm.....taxes have NOTHING to do with Citizenship. Plenty of non-citizens pay income tax.

The right-wing paranoia over something that's been around for so long is amusing. It's only because a republican isn't in the WH, but DAMN....you shit-heaps really become un-glued when you lose.

God, some of you are fucking morons.