Without even looking beforehand, I'd say that's about the same % of population as Evangelical and Extreme Right Wing Xians.

It's also the same percenage of smoking adults in America.

Your point?

wanna bet how many of them are climate change deniers but actually believe The Flintstones was reality TV?

Smoking what goat?

I'm not going to bother reading the article I am depressed enough, but I did ask my daughter to name a famous scientist and she fired back Albert Einstein without hesitating. Sad really, then again she can find the US and pretty much any other major country, on a map too.

I suppose checking with the girl who at age 12 tested on an adult IQ test smarter than 95% of the world isn't the fairest comparison either.

That's pretty depressing.

What's cool though is I've met the guy who writes the blog and just finished reading one of his recent papers.

Cigarettes

I'll bet your daughter does well because you spend time with her and are an active part of her education, both in and out of school. If that is the case, American needs more parents like you, tao

Sorry, Al Gore is not a scientist.

Sorry, Al Gore is not a scientist.

Yeah, so what? Who in the fuck are you?

Why are such an angry person, null?

I wasn't talking to you on this thread either, troll. Stop stalking me, fuckwad.

mercy....

Galileo Galilei
Isaac Newton
Louis Pasteur
Jonas Salk
Erwin Schroedinger
Lewis Victor DeBroglie
Neils Bohr
John Archibald Wheeler
Richard Feynman
Steven Weinberg
Steven Hawking
Roger Penrose
Carl Sagan
Ilya Prigogine
Abdus Salaam (throw in a Paki for Tosser)
Hideki Yukawa
Enrico Fermi
Kip Thorne
Werner von Braun
Sylvia Earle
Albert Einstein
Archimedes
Edwin Hubble
Robert Oppenheimer
Rosalind Franklin
Marie Curie
Pierre Curie
Jacques Curie
Pierre Auger
Jim Cronin
Robert Wilson
Sidney Drell
Mildred Dresselhaus

I can go on for hours.
23% of Americans are really, really, ... really stupid.

I wasn't talking to you on this thread either, troll.

I'm talking to you however. Why do you fear my questions so null? Last night I had you scared shitless with my questions. And again tonight it seems.

BOO!

So why are you so angry, null?

BTW, I wasn't talking to you on the other thread either, but you're so vain, you probably thought that post was about you. LOL

"Without even looking beforehand, I'd say that's about the same % of population as Evangelical and Extreme Right Wing Xians.

#1 | Posted by briwo"

I doubt it. The Christian schools have scored higher in SAT and State testing compared to the publics schools for years. Private schools usually fair better.

I'd bet the great % of those who can't are public school students. Don't believe it? Check your public vs private schools in State testing.

I had the displeasure of going to Public School halfway through one year. They couldn't place me in the highest ranked class for the grade because I was already studying two grades higher in the stupid school.

I'm glad I went back to private school. City public sucks. It still does to this day...that's really sad. But, the public school kids can name the Idol winner for the past several years.

With the exception of a few 'start' like Cousteau, Sagan and Hawking, scientists (unless they have won an award_ are mostly unheralded as our 'pop media' usually does not recognize them: With the exception of grouping them in a 'consensus'.

'start' = 'stars'

"Last night I had you scared shitless with my questions. "

LOL. Listen to this ass. It's like arguing with a 10 year old. And I feel really really stupid arguing with a 10 year old. So Goattroll can have the last word.

Poor, poor angry nulli. just can't post something without childlike name calling.

Do you think you'll outgrow it some day? I hope so. I actually feel embarassed for you. Good luck! LOL

There's something funny about American culture and science. It's as though there's some implicit understanding that you've got to have the uniform (thick glasses, pocket protector for your pens, etc.) to understand any of it. I graduated from college 2 classes short of an additional major in hard sciences, and somehow in the years since then I've become sufficiently intimidated that I never pick up popular science magazines, read science websites, etc. Very strange.

#1 | Posted by briwo

How is the radio show???????

1. simon barsinister.

Professor Bunsen Honeydew and his assistant Beaker.

Evangelical and Extreme Right Wing Xians. ...rather silly given that science owes its beginnings and methods to Christianity. (as does the Civil Rights movement, democracy, modern medicine, and a few other little events.. ) But hey, don't let facts skew your worldview.

I'm an electrical engineer, so naturally I like Einstein, Kirchhoff, and even some self trained guys like Ben Franklin (who was viewed by Europe during his life as a leading scientist).. along with application guys like George Westinghouse, Tesla, Edison, and others..

Goat,

I do spend time with her, however I have to give her mom most of the credit for that. Sad thing is when in 2nd grade to solve a problem I taught her basic algebra 23 - x = 15 kinda thing and her teacher marked her wrong because that was not the way to solve the problem. BTW she had no problem learning what I taught her and has used it to solve problems since.

We don't have much money but part of that is because we chose for my wife to be a stay at home mom and raise the kids rather than having a day care do it for us. So we can't give the kids lots of fancy stuff or a big house but we can give them time and love. Every last one of them have started kindergarden knowing the alphabet and how to count to at least 20 which is the requirements to graduate.

This past year I got fed up with the school system when my son in kindergarden got a new teacher. The old one sent a book for him to read home every night that however was not suposed to be done till first grade and the new teacher did not think some of the kids should be doing advanced work when all of the kids could not so she stoped the practice. We still have him read every night but the books the old teacher sent home were so perfect for his reading level it has been hard to find ones quite as good.

Hey folks, great news.

77% of the American public can name a scientist.

Cheers

Hey folks, great news.

77% of the American public can name a scientist.

Cheers

Posted by Grendel at 2009-07-01 09:56 PM

Well, hey, that sure makes my day.

"...given that science owes its beginnings and methods to Christianity."

#23 | Posted by nmg_no at 2009-07-01 09:52 PM | Reply | Flag: Most idiotic utterance of the day

Tao, y'all sound like great parents. Congratulatons on a (continuing) job well done!

Most idiotic utterance of the day

If you don't know that, you don't know anything about science or its history.. look it up.

And I'm too tired to type it up for you.. try reading something besides bumper stickers for a couple of days..

#12 | Posted by Zatoichi

Wow... you've got Rosalind Franklin but not Watson or Crick. Way rad. Probably just an oversight, but you've made my day.

"...given that science owes its beginnings and methods to Christianity."

#23 | Posted by nmg_no at 2009-07-01 09:52 PM | Reply | Flag: Most idiotic utterance of the day

Reply | Flag: Most clueless flag of the day

Consider:

The university system.
Scholasticism with its strict adherence to employing logical systems.
William of Ockham, (A monk)
The Church's pursuit of fides et ratio.
The monk's slavishly copying Greek philosophical treatises.
etc., etc. etc.

Cheers

There was guy on Gilligan's Island, too. He built a radio out of coconuts.

I'm surprised it's not a lot more than 23%. I'll bet fewer than one in 23 can tell you what Einstein won his Nobel for.

I wonder how many of that 23% could name the Governor of Alaska?

Consider:

Astronomy, mathematics and medicine in ancient Egypt (so much for "science owes its beginnings and methods to Christianity")

Consider:

Thales, Pythagoras, Plato, Aristarchus of Samos, Hipparchus, Herophilos, Hippocratesand Aristotle (so much for "science owes its beginnings and methods to Christianity")

Consider:

The wootz, crucible and stainless steels (so much for "science owes its beginnings and methods to Christianity")

Consider:

Aryabhata, Bhāskara and Madhava of Sangamagrama (so much for "science owes its beginnings and methods to Christianity")

Consider:

The compass, gunpowder, papermaking, and printing (so much for "science owes its beginnings and methods to Christianity")

Consider:

Shen Kuo, Bi Sheng and Su Song (so much for "science owes its beginnings and methods to Christianity")

Consider:

Ibn al-Haytham, Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi, Al-Razi, Al-Battani, Nasir al-Din al-Tusi, al-Farabi and Abu al-Qasim (so much for "science owes its beginnings and methods to Christianity").

Yep... consider.

Cheers.

46% don't know what theie fingers are for

I can go on for hours.
23% of Americans are really, really, ... really stupid.

#12 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2009-07-01 09:12 PM

Most of them live in California.

I miss Jay Walking.

Truthsetyoufree

Your point is simply that the present develops from the past.

Science and the scientific method is an outgrowth of all that came before it. The immediate parent was the Church. Those that you mention were the grandparents.

Consider it well.

Cheers

23% of Americans Can't Name a Scientist

43% did not have enough information to answer the question

21% don't believe Scientists exist

12% asked if Mr Wizard counts

1% got it right

I'll bet fewer than one in 23 can tell you what Einstein won his Nobel for.

The photoelectric effect. And no, I didn't google.

Professor Bunsen Honeydew and his assistant Beaker.

#22 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2009-07-01 09:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

FF!!

Shen Kuo, Bi Sheng and Su Song were the "grandparents" of the "Church"?

Ibn al-Haytham, Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi, Al-Razi, Al-Battani, Nasir al-Din al-Tusi, al-Farabi and Abu al-Qasim were the "grandparents" of the "Church"?

Aryabhata, Bhāskara and Madhava of Sangamagrama were the "grandparents" of the "Church"?

That would be news to them.

Meanwhile, it is obvious that science does NOT owe its beginnings and methods to Christianity. Most of those I listed were BCE... hardly "grandparents" of anything resembling the "Church".

Considered very well.

No they weren't grandparents of the Church.

The Church did not disdain learning of the ancients or the Muslims, but the church's university system was instrumental in passing it a long and adding to it.

Long before science was science, it was called natural philosophy. It along with other branches of philosophy and theology were the centerpieces of the most prestigious medieval universities.

It was not until the 17th century did the split between faith and reason begin in the minds of many--but not all.

Remember who Galilio is writing for--learned clerics, mostly.

Cheers

Would you please make up your mind? First you claim that "Those that you mention were the grandparents." Now you say "No they weren't grandparents of the Church."

My point is that claiming that "science owes its beginnings and methods to Christianity" is ridiculous.

Agree or disagree? Anything else you post is spinning.

Remember that Shen Kuo, Bi Sheng and Su Song were not Galileo.

Ibn al-Haytham, Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi, Al-Razi, Al-Battani, Nasir al-Din al-Tusi, al-Farabi and Abu al-Qasim were not Galileo.

Aryabhata, Bhāskara and Madhava of Sangamagrama were not Galileo.

Furthermore, they weren't "writing for--learned clerics, mostly" like Galileo.

Yep....it is obvious that science does NOT owe its beginnings and methods to Christianity.

Would you please make up your mind? First you claim that "Those that you mention were the grandparents." Now you say "No they weren't grandparents of the Church."

My point is that claiming that "science owes its beginnings and methods to Christianity" is ridiculous.

I will be the first to say the metaphor of parents and grandparents is a faulty one.

The straight point is that the learning of the ancients and Muslims--natural philosophy was preserved, carried forward, and added to by the Church.

It promoted intellectual thought and inquiry, and it is within its university system that natural philosophy begins to develop into scientific thought and the scientific method.

Before the church there was natural philosophy. Through the intellectual institutions of the Church, their desire to advance knowledge, science developed from natural philosophy.

This is the main point that I making.

Cheers

"The photoelectric effect. And no, I didn't google."

Posted by goatman at 2009-07-01 10:45 PM

In 1905.

Who shares the Nobel with Abdus Salaam?

Remember that Shen Kuo, Bi Sheng and Su Song were not Galileo.

Ibn al-Haytham, Muhammad ibn Musa al-Khwarizmi, Al-Razi, Al-Battani, Nasir al-Din al-Tusi, al-Farabi and Abu al-Qasim were not Galileo.

Aryabhata, Bhāskara and Madhava of Sangamagrama were not Galileo.

Furthermore, they weren't "writing for--learned clerics, mostly" like Galileo.

Yep....it is obvious that science does NOT owe its beginnings and methods to Christianity.

When the Muslim world began to come down hard against its own scientific and philosophical achievements because of a contradiction between faith and reason, its great thinkers fled to the edges of their world. Where to? Moorish Spain, where they met 12th and 13th century Christian intellectuals who were not threatened by their learning. They embraced it and spread much of it through the European university system.

Cheers

"Wow... you've got Rosalind Franklin but not Watson or Crick."

If it wasn't for Rosalind, Watson & Crick would never have done it.

And my "straight" point, in spite of your spinning over parents, grandparents, natural philosophy and whatever was "added to by the church" is that science owning its beginning--- BEGINNING--- and METHODS to Christianity is bunk.

That is what nmg_no claimed, and that is what you seconded.

But that is bunk. That is the main point I am making.

You refer to the "ancients" and Muslims... completely overlooking those from India and China... scientists whose scientific thought and methods had nothing to do with the "Church."

I find it rather sad and pathetic that you attribute all of mankind's scientific advancements to the "Church"

Cheers.

"Scientists whose thought and method had nothing to do with the Church..."

The Indians and Chinese deserve much credit. But they aren't the foundation Western scientific civilization. which they have now borrowed from us. Grendel pretty much has the history right.

Leif Erikson did technically discover the New World, but Columbus gets the credit for what should be the very obvious reasons.

Who cares when the Muslim world began to come down on their intellects? The Catholic Church did the exact same thing to the European intellects. And in some cases it took them hundreds of years to admit that they were wrong.

Once again, nmg_no claimed and you seconded the idea that "science owes its beginnings and methods to Christianity"

This is ignorant and ignores all of the scientific discoveries and advancements which had nothing to do whatsoever with the "Church." There were Muslim, Indian and Chinese, all BCE, who used scientific thought and methods and who had nothing to do with the "Church."

Your ignorance in this regard is as acute as me trying to deny the role the "Church" had in preserving and passing along many of today's scientific knowledge. Which I don't.

But I also don't claim that "science owes its beginnings and methods to Christianity" which you seem to do.

Are you not capable of distancing yourself from such ignorance?

Cheers

While were at it, a nod of the head to the Irish Catholics who spent much of their time preserving Classical Civilization so there could even be a Renaissance at some time in future.

Alvarez, Luis W
Angstrm, Anders
Angstrm, Knut
Arrhenius, Svante
Borisov, P. M.
Brain, S.A.
Bryson, Reid A.
Calder, Nigel
Callendar, G.S.
Chamberlin, Thomas C.
Chambers, F.M.
Chandrasekhar, Subrahmanyan
Ehrlich, Paul R.
Fourier, Joseph

Heisenberg, Werner
Sakharov, Andrei
Szilard, Leo
Garwin, Richard
Bethe, Hans
Lorenz, Konrad
Lorentz, Hendrik
Conant, Arthur

Willis Lamb
Rudolf Mssbauer
Russell Varian and his brother Sigurd Varian

Paul Adrien Maurice Dirac
Linus Pauling

Angstorm, Anders
Angstrom, Knut

Sorry, it's my bedtime.

"Are you not capable of distracting yourself from such ignorance..."

Well, at least you're not saying the atheists are responsible for science.

Now, how many scientific papers from China you think were read in Europe prior to 1900? Not to demean the Chinese, just to correct the perspective a bit.

Since I mentioned Sylvia Earle, the other ladies from Tektite II:

Renate' True
Alena Szmant
Ann Hartline
Peggy Lucas

"Leif Erikson did technically discover the New World"

So much for the "Beringian Standstill" theory,

"Berengia..."

The Paleoindians aren't responsible for science either.

73% of libs believe Algore is a scientist.

I think Grendel's fundamental point that you awkwardly tap dance around is that it was the Christians who embraced the 'method' and kept the science alive while other ideologies were trampling it under. Of course it wasn't without its dangers to scientific thought as well (just ask Galileo). But you would do well to just STFU and accept the fact. BTW do you know who first postulated the big bang theory O keeper of
the list of scientific discoveries??

And my "straight" point, in spite of your spinning over parents, grandparents, natural philosophy and whatever was "added to by the church" is that science owning its beginning--- BEGINNING--- and METHODS to Christianity is bunk.

That is what nmg_no claimed, and that is what you seconded.

But that is bunk. That is the main point I am making.

You refer to the "ancients" and Muslims... completely overlooking those from India and China... scientists whose scientific thought and methods had nothing to do with the "Church."

I find it rather sad and pathetic that you attribute all of mankind's scientific advancements to the "Church"

If you like to engage in a discussion of intellectual history, it will be difficult to sort out who exactly is the originator of what and will require a sorting of terms--some of which we may disagree on.

In the broadest sense, science simply means knowledge. Surely the ancients, the Muslims, ancient Asia etc, had knowledge and understanding of their world around them. In the broadest sense of the word they had a science or knowledge of how the world worked.

Science as we come to think of it, however, means much more than that. It is a discipline with its own methods; while these methods and disciplines were shaped by the past and by various cultures, what we think of and when we think of science today is distinct from medieval, ancient, Muslim, knowledge (science) as a discipline. Science as scientists practice or endeavor according to its ideas did not have its origins until the 16th even the 17th century. The immediate precursor and forerunner of this scientific method and discipline were found in the medieval university systems. The BEGINNINGS of science as we conceive it as a discipline owes its origins to those institutions from which it grew out of. Ironically, it is a rather evolutionary model.

I never ever claimed that all of mankind's scientific achievements can be attributed to the church.

I find it rather pathetic that one cannot acknowledge the Church as having a foundational role in the development of modern science as a discipline.

Cheers

"BTW do you know who first postulated the big bang theory O keeper of the list of scientific discoveries??"

Who coined the term in response to whom?
Hint: One of 'em's still alive.

Who coined the term "black hole?"

Onward ...

Charles Kittel
Andy Grove
Gordon Gould
Charles Hard Townes
John Bardeen (TWO Nobels)
Leon Neil Cooper
J. Robert Schrieffer
Satyendra Nath Bose
Eric Cornell
Carl Wieman
Wolfgang Ketterle
Wolfgang K. H. Panofsky
John David Jackson

That'll have to do for tonight.
There will be a test.

OK

Fred Hoyle in response to Steve Hawking.

"There will be a test...."

WE control the vertical. WE control the horizontal. WE can change the picture from a blur to crystal clarity.

Good night all.

Cheers

"WE ... WE ... WE"

I built my first TV station when I was 21.

Good night Grendel.
Kudos to the Vatican Observatory.

If it wasn't for Rosalind, Watson & Crick would never have done it. -- #49 | Posted by Zatoichi

I thought Watson admitted his debt in his delayed epilogue to "Double Helix," but there is a lively debate about how far she had gotten, how much she understood, etc. I tend toward your inference, but am woman enough to admit that I'm not qualified to judge the evidence.

archimedes.

stephen hawking.

descartes.

einstein.

galileo.

benjamin franklin.

sir fig newton.

ho-hum...

"I thought Watson admitted his debt in his delayed epilogue"

He did, finally. Rosalind paid with her life.
We know more about radiation safety now.

Long before science was science, it was called natural philosophy. It along with other branches of philosophy and theology were the centerpieces of the most prestigious medieval universities.

I understand what you're saying in regards to the Church's role in preserving and propagating the scientific knowledge of the day and therefore deserves credit as a foundation for modern science.

I disagree, however, that they deserve too much credit for one reason.

Clergymen were the only people beyond nobles who lived lives that had the time and space for things like science. Your average person during this time was more concerned with just staying alive. Mendel had enough luxury to grow peas in a tinkering way and make the first insights into genetics whereas your average person had to grow peas to fucking eat. They didn't care what the color was or what texture the coat of the pea had.

Now I'm not saying they don't deserve any credit, but I do think NMG et al is overstating things a bit.

He did, finally. -- #72 | Posted by Zatoichi

I read it (I've read the entire book more than once, actually) and agree. But really truly, there are people who argue that he gave her more credit than she deserved. I've never seen an argument that seemed credible -- mostly things like "she would never have gotten the entire thing herself." Hello? Neither did they. But it's amazing how few people are even aware of her existence, and how many of those people are willing to casually dismiss her.

Like I said, you made my day.

My first thought was Chu, maybe I read to much political stuff?

Did anyone notice that 4% named an engineer, not a scientist? Bell(or Tesla) would have been a better answer.

And 100% of liberals think that to be a proper scientist you have to believe in Al Gore's lies. I'd take an uneducated or even ignorant person over a liar and conspirator any day.

If it was a living scientist and 77% knew the name of one that would have been a great result. Off the top of my head I could only have named Stephen Hawking. How many of us could name even one Nobel Prize winner for science in the last twenty years? I couldn't.

Nearly everybody has heard of Einstein. Maybe some people don't realize he was a scientist.

23% of Americans are really, really, ... really stupid

Are those the same 23% that approved of Dumbya's presidency?

23% of Americans are really, really, ... really stupid

And encouraged to be so.

"I can go on for hours."

Please don't.

BTW, you, of all posters should be able to go on for hours on this point. The fact that you can only hints that you know your job. Now, if I, or bibble, or somebody else could produce a list like that off the top of their head, that list would be impressive.

Maybe some people don't realize he was a scientist.
#77 | Posted by brock

How is that possible?

"Please don't."

I left out a number of astronomers so Goat would have something to do.

It's also the same percenage of smoking adults in America.

Your point?

23% of America is retarded.

Now, how many scientific papers from China you think were read in Europe prior to 1900? Not to demean the Chinese, just to correct the perspective a bit.

Science only happens in the West.

It's a scientifically proven fact. From a western "laboratory" (that got a Catholic church approved research grant).

I left out a number of astronomers so Goat would have something to do.

Some of my favorites are Clyde Tombaugh, Fritz Zwicky (what a character!), of course Edwin Hubble, both the Herschels, how can we leave out Sir Isaac Newton and Galileo, Johannes Kepler, Ptolemy (even though he was dead wrong), Copernicus, Tycho Brahe, and all the Arab astronomers before that part of the world went crazy.

I left out a number of astronomers so Goat would have something to do.
#82 | Posted by Zatoichi

LOL... I'll steal a couple from him:

Alex Philipenko

Michio Kaku

Giordano Bruno

Sorry, Goat.

"Tycho Brahe"

Great Gonzos!

Tychoe Brahe trivia:

He had his nose cut off in a duel and had a metal prosthesis.

His death was unusual, too. He was at a dinner with nobility (may have been the king, I don't remember) and it was considered rude to leave the table so he held his bladder so long it caused damage to it. He died a few days later from that.

Tychoe Brahe trivia:

He had his nose cut off in a duel and had a metal prosthesis.

His death was unusual, too. He was at a dinner with nobility (may have been the king, I don't remember) and it was considered rude to leave the table so he held his bladder so long it caused damage to it. He died a few days later from that.

#88 | Posted by goatman

Must have been a republican pants pisser.

Sorry, Goat.

'sOK. I just hastily jotted down some of the favorites that floated to the top of my head. I'm surprised I left off Cassini, especially considering the wonderful job his eponymous space craft is doing.

"...given that science owes its beginnings and methods to Christianity."

actually the beginnings and methods of science go back to the cavemen days, trial and error, trial and error have been around since the dawn of mankind.

Must have been a republican pants pisser.

Thanks for the political spin. It was inevitable someone would insert an inane political position to a 400 year dead astrononmer.

But if you read what I wrote, it was from NOT pissing that his problem arose.

"before that part of the world went crazy"

Islam, what a wonderful thing.
Not.

I'm surprised I left off Cassini, especially considering the wonderful job his eponymous space craft is doing.
#90 | Posted by goatman

The lastest from Cassini:

"...given that science owes its beginnings and methods to Christianity."

Gosh, I didn't know Archimedes was a Christian.

Must have been a republican pants pisser.

Thanks for the political spin. It was inevitable someone would insert an inane political position to a 400 year dead astrononmer.

But if you read what I wrote, it was from NOT pissing that his problem arose.

#92 | Posted by goatman at 2009-07-02 10:06 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: Needs a sense of humor

Cassini has to be the most successful NASA mission if you consider only the jaw-dropping images we are getting back from Saturn.

The link should have read M16. But it still links.

I haven't looked, but did Percival Lowell get listed yet?

And that Texas guy named McDonald. he wasn't an astronomer, but he sure contributed to it.

I can't imagine what the images that top hubble's will look like.

Of course it is hard to beat Hubble's image of www.flatrock.org.nz and its star factory

#97 | Posted by goatman at 2009-07-02 10:14 AM

The picture you linked was so beautiful it seemed almost magical.

Well I'm done with morning emails.
Now upstairs to build cosmic ray detectors.
I don't get paid anything like a football coach, but it's a way cool retirement job.

Y'all have fun now!

The picture you linked was so beautiful it seemed almost magical

HEre's another view -- a much wider one with the original image in the center

ahh... the astronomy picture of the day archive.

In my favorites folder since 2000.

In my favorites folder since 2000.

Mine too. It's a great "sound bite" site to go to once a day.

#103 | Posted by goatman at 2009-07-02 10:28 AM

My G-d! That is amazing! I....beyond words...

"Gosh, I didn't know Archimedes was a Christian..."

That's fair. Archimedes didn't know he was a scientist.

Severus Snape. He mixes up chemicals reely kool-like.

"Archimedes didn't know he was a scientist."

Posted by Zed at 2009-07-02 10:38 AM | Reply | Flag: wrong again

The Greek word for science is 'επιστήμη', deriving from the verb 'επίσταμαι', 'to know'.

Robert Goddard
Gordon Teal
Jack Kilby
Grace Hopper

"Severus Snape."

Get to see him kill Dumbledore in a couple of weeks.

#103 | Posted by goatman at 2009-07-02 10:28 AM

If nothing else, I'll be glad to have known you for bringing an interest in, and knowledge about, astronomy into my life.

It started with the "Smokestack" threads and on every one of them I learned something new about space, our planets, and galaxies. When I now look up into the night sky I no longer in my mind's eye see only some star's light as I did before. I realize there is an entire universe to behold if you take the time to learn.

What I say may sound odd to someone like you, and some of the others on here, for whom astronomy has held a lifelong interest. But to one without your science background and being newly introduced to astronomy, it literally opened up a "whole new world" -- one always there but I never realized it. Hope I'm explaining okay what I mean to say.

Maxwells Equations fasinated my in High School.

Fascinated*

me*

lordy jeezbus and Hail Satan

Eric Kandel
Antonio Damasio
V.S. Ramachandran
Stephen Pinker
E.O. Wilson
Noam Chomsky, for Syntactic Structures and others

...there are a few off the top of my head nobody's mentioned so far.

I guess my uncle counts too, since being published in Nature is nothing to sneeze at...

I guess my uncle counts too, since being published in Nature is nothing to sneeze at...
#117 | Posted by Zarathustra

Well, since we're naming friends and family now, I might as well mention my buddy, planetary exo-biologist Ken Cullings.

Fuck man, there are hundreds of thousands of Scientists.

Why didn't any of these idiots just say "Dr. Chen"?

There has to be a fucking Dr. Chen somewhere in the world.

Dr. Tony Chen
Research Scientist

Location
Germany
Industry
Research
Past postdoc Scientist at Univeristy of Goettingen, Germany
Education Zhejiang University
Connections 2 connections
Public Profile

Fuck man, .... Why didn't any of these idiots just say "Dr. Chen"?
There has to be a fucking... somewhere in the world.
#120 | Posted by Manypaths

What are you so angry about?

Without even looking beforehand, I'd say that's about the same % of population as Evangelical and Extreme Right Wing Xians.

#1 | Posted by briwo

LOL

That's funny, 23% of Americans voted for Obama to get free gasoline and not to have to worry about their mortgage.

If the survey had said, besides Einstein, can you name a scientist I would bet it would be over 50% who could not name one, maybe more. My first answer would have been Linnaeus.

This survey reminds of another survey, LOL, from TV of course, question was name a colorful bird, father of family from L.A. can't think of anything, finally blurts out sparrow. Host says, oh yes the psychedelic sparrow ......

How is this surprising, or "depressing", or newsworthy to anyone? Haven't we all seen the late night shows where they go on the streets with pictures of government leaders and no one knows who they are? 23% actually seems like a very low number. I am more surprised that it isn't higher.

too #126.

My favorite is where they ask people to name the states on the map with the names covered up. So many people miss the easiest ones. Take this for instance; I like to play this trivia "game show" on my brothers xBOX 360 when I visit him called 1 Vs 100. One of the questions it asked was "How many numbers are on the standard Xbox 360 controler?" the score for that question was in the range of 13,865 out of 18,874 didnt get the question right. All you had to do was look at the freaking controller you were holding!
the answer was 4 BTW.

*granted some folks buy "custom" controller that may be missing the ## but come on!

Since they haven't been mentioned and they lay the groundwork for some of what I do in my job.

Leonhard Euler
Daniel Bernoulli
Jean-Baptiste Biot
Osborne Reynold
Wilhelm Nusselt

Though I did have to look up their first names because I know their last names from equations and such.

What are you so angry about?

#122 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine

Human ignorance

And people that ask stupid questions.

I knew Zat's list would be long... He already named all the ones I would probably name..

Galileo
Newton
Sagan
Hubble
Openheimer

He even got Richard Feynman

psst! Zat!

Did you really do that off the top of your head ZAT or did you use googleman. Come on you can tell me I won't tell anyone!

and hey what about Bill Nye the Science Guy!!!

And people that ask stupid questions.
#129 | Posted by Manypaths

If only my school hadn't cancelled summer school that year when I was behind in fourth grade.

Lighten up, bra.

Oh I am Hag. It was meant in jest.

It was meant in jest.
#132 | Posted by Manypaths

(*hanging head down in shame) If only my school hadn't cancelled summer school that year when I was behind in fourth grade.... I might have understood that.

There's nothing wrong with having to repeat a grade or two.

Summers are for playing.

We were forced to take a summer class when I was in high school to justify the expense. They tended to only offer the mandatory computer class over summer vacations.

"There's nothing wrong with having to repeat a grade or two."

Damn you for believing me! Never even close to being left behind.

Though I almost didn't graduate on time because I decided to stop taking gym seriously in 12th grade and started cutting swimming. Mr. Anis gave me so many detentions that I couldn't have gotten them done by end of term and I would have had to repeat gym in summer school for the diploma.

Luckily I got into a car accident two months before the end of the year and my guidance couselor gave me a medical excuse for it.

I came damn close to Summer School my senior year.

I ended up doing a full semester's worth of work the last 30 days of the school year.

There was no way in hell that I was going to spend a day in Summer School.

Got my last credit at 10:00 am and was Speaking on stage at noon reciting Never Give In.

Damn you for believing me!

Don't worry. I didn't.

"I ended up doing a full semester's worth of work the last 30 days of the school year."

That's impressive and depressing all at once.

Impressive that you could do it.

Depressing that it could be done.

Makes you wonder what really could have been achieved with your time, huh?

Depressing that it could be done.

I was running 72 hour shifts of homework and tests for a month.

72 on 12 off.

72 on 12 off.
#139 | Posted by Manypaths

Yeah, you deserve a semester's worth of credit just for pulling it off.

I probably would have gone to summer school.

I probably would have gone to summer school.

It was an option.

I figured I could work my ass off for 1 month or spend 2 months skating by.

I was determined to graduate on time.

was running 72 hour shifts of homework and tests for a month.
72 on 12 off.
#139 | Posted by Manypaths

Wait a second... I think I saw that movie.

Now I'm suspicious.

After your recitation, did you perform a three-board dive called the 'triple lindy'?

After your recitation, did you perform a three-board dive called the 'triple lindy'?

No. I went home and went to sleep actually.

I got a million names to call scientists but my favorite is 'Poindexter'.

hell, most christians can't even name the apostles of Christ without google...whaddya expect????

"Most Christians can't even name the Apostles of Christ..."

On the other hand, I can name all the Village People.

"On the other hand, I can name all the Village People."

#146 | Posted by Zed at 2009-07-02 06:59 PM | Reply | Flag: SHOCK!!!!

(A sense of humor emerges.)

If memory serves, "science" comes from the Latin, "scientia", not from the Greek.

"A sense of humor emerges..."

Much like Gojira from out of Tokyo Bay. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

science is for losers anyway.

"If memory serves, "science" comes from the Latin, "scientia", not from the Greek."

#148 | Posted by Zed at 2009-07-02 07:03 PM | Reply | Flag: idiot

"If English was good enough for Jesus it's good enough for me."
~Ma Ferguson

I was determined to graduate on time.

And get the fuck out of highschool as quickly as possible. I don't blame you.

I almost threw up on stage during graduation having everyone tell me "these are the best years of your life...blah blah blah." You'd think that person never went to college.

I don't need no schtinking science, I got Rush to tell me everything I need to know

More Tychoe Brahe trivia:

He is buried in Prague's Tynsky Chram. Years ago I entered the magnificient shrine with a Danish friend who immediately asked "what the fuck is my flag doing here?"

Great scientist: I always pick my dad.

Crisis

Much like Gojira from out of Tokyo Bay. Be afraid. Be very afraid.

Zed's sense of humor never toppled any skyscrapers...

Why is it that Tesla never gets the recognition he deserves?

Er, let's see. Zatoichi?

Dr. Robinson? Lost in Space?

Is Spock a scientist, and if so can a Vulcan be a member of the class sought here?

Due to our current publication system I'm not surprised that few can name a scientist. The end product of our government run schools, as a whole, is pathetic.