Yep, slowly but surely the american people are seeing democrats for who they are. By election time they will be more despised than child molestors.

Power to the people.

Not corporations.

Keep your eyes on the prize and don't be fooled.

Too liberal?

A ton of the jackasses here are pissed because they aren't liberal enough!

What was your first clue?

"The Only Poll That Counts is the One at the Ballot Box"

Sincerely

You Fools, pre November 2008

I am a Democrat and agree, but not exactly. The party is not "too liberal." It is too infatuated with nut causes. Radical is a better word.

The pendulum of history actually swings?!?

Stop the presses!!!

Face it, the majority of the American people are neither to the far left nor the far right. Most people want a President who will govern pretty much down the middle. Every President, once in office, usually realizes that and tries to steer a center course.

There will always be something a President does that one side or the other won't like, but you can't please everyone. A President, if he does his job right, will try and do what is best for our country overall. That's all we can ask of any man in the Oval Office.

Very well stated, Califchris. Most have done just that, despite their critics' portrayals of them.

Did Gallup make sure they polled citizens? No habla, America.

There are no real liberals in government nor media. Not one.

For those who are looking for what a real liberal looks like see: Democracy now.

There are no real liberals in government nor media. Not one.

#11 | Posted by Shawn at 2009-07-02 12:16

You mean your assman, Olberman, isn't liberal enough for you?

Back 'n forth....back 'n forth...back 'n forth

crooks

resist

I am a Democrat and agree, but not exactly. The party is not "too liberal." It is too infatuated with nut causes. Radical is a better word.

#6 | Posted by Diablo

I'm sure both parties would prefer that their more radical elements just shut up and/or go away. A similar percentage of respondents to this poll think the GOP is too conservative. I think that the radicals on both sides wield influence that is disproportionate to their numbers. Each side has a very vocal minority of crazies that embarrass the hell out of the more sensible members, who might otherwise be better able to compromise.

The Dems are not liberal enough. They should be passing universal health care.

There are no real liberals in government nor media. Not one.

#11 | Posted by Shawn

What is your definition of "liberal"?

The Dems are not liberal enough. They should be passing universal health care.

#16 | Posted by rcade

Did I miss something? Is that not still on their agenda?

Obama needs to ram this through. I believe entrepreneurship will explode in this country. Many Americans would go into business for themselves if they knew that insurance was guaranteed. Many people I know stay at a job they hate just for the insurance benefits.

The Dems are not liberal enough. They should be passing universal health care.

#16 | Posted by rcade at 2009-07-02 12:36 AM |

I agree Rcade. But how does it get paid for? I just renewed my health care policy for my family. Two adults under 45 and 3 kids under 13. $1200 per quarter.

$4800 per year and I don't see a damn thing from it.

Many Americans would go into business for themselves if they knew that insurance was guaranteed. Many people I know stay at a job they hate just for the insurance benefits.

Duh.....

But if Ramming it through means I have to wait 6 months for a heart scan then, bullshit!

Too Left.

to left?

Posted by Beachbuzz at 2009-07-02 12:49 AM

But if Ramming it through means I have to wait 6 months for a heart scan then, bullshit!

You sound as if you are an optimist. If you don't fall within guidelines, age, obesity, who knows what is devised as a rationing device, then you just might not need to worry about the wait as you would not qualify for life-extending treatment. But don't worry, they'll put you in a nice hospice for your expedited demise. It's a sort of soft euthanasia resulting from denial of care based on bureaucratic guidelines.

There is a current initiative for improving health care and competency of physicians, but it is emanating from a physicians' organization. Guidelines are issuing regarding recommended treatments and practices, and the most efficacious use of resoruces without exclusion.

BS scares from Johnson. The Canadians on this board tell a different story. Johnson explain to us what as guy from Miami would know about socialized medicine??

Is that not still on their agenda?

It is, but there's a lot of fear they won't give us a public option, just more incremental BS that's packed in a 10,000-page bill written at the last second with goodies for every lobbyist within 100 miles of DC.

I agree Rcade. But how does it get paid for?

Make everybody pay and we share the risk. If the rich want better care than the government plan provides they can buy it themselves.

I'd love to take the $1,000+ a month I'm paying for crappy health care from an insurer who'd love to drop me if I get sick and pay it in taxes for universal health care.

#21 | Posted by Beachbuzz

Man I get tired of reading these bullshit talking points about how terrible universal healthcare is, where it's available. How about if you read something besides the stuff provided by your favorite pundits for a change? Pay special attention to the table at the bottom and tell us all how the U.S. has better healthcare than any other country in the G8.

I'd love to take the $1,000+ a month I'm paying for crappy health care from an insurer who'd love to drop me if I get sick and pay it in taxes for universal health care.

#25 | Posted by rcade

Me too!

Man I get tired of reading these bullshit talking points about how terrible universal healthcare is, where it's available. How about if you read something besides the stuff provided by your favorite pundits for a change?

My pundits don't give a flying fuck.

I pay $4100 a year for health care. And that doesn't even cover my prozac!

I could sock away that money in the market and make 10-20% on the dollar in a good year. But being the responsible zombie that I am, I don't.

I hate it.

You're a zombie?

You mean your assman, Olberman, isn't liberal enough for you?

--------

Blow me.

There are no liberals in the corporate media.

There are no liberals in the corporate media.

ff

"Gallup: 46% Think Dems 'Too Liberal'"

Who cares? Is there an election tomorrow? Next week? The only poll that matters is the one in November 2012. Until then those of you who weren't happy with Obama's landslide last year can go shit in the woods.

Pay special attention to the table at the bottom and tell us all how the U.S. has better healthcare than any other country in the G8.

why are Canadians returning in droves to private health insurance?

I keep telling my conservative friends that our only hope at stopping Cap N Trade, and the socialization of medicine is moderate democrats, and yes there are some.

Some other poster alluded to this earlier.. its the radicals in the party that make the most noise.. and it ain't helping the dems.

I thought at first Obama was a nutcase radical, then right after the election, given his statements I thought.. "well, maybe I was wrong, maybe the guy is a centrist".. but then he presented his agenda to congress. He is a left wing nut after all, giving GM to the unions, socializing medicine, pushing a radical antibusiness (and in my opinion anti-American) cap and trade bill..

He's a one termer.. if we can just hold him off his agenda we can survivie him without too much damage..

These Polls needs to see in its totality, the same poll says that 43% think that the republicans are to CONSERVATIVE. The same poll also said that the Country as a whole agrees that the DEMOCRATICS are about right in their ideas over the CONSERVATIVES 42% TO 34%.

These polls can be used anyway the Polster wishes the only real Poll that matters was the one taken in November 2008, DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT, DEMOCRATIC HOUSE OF REP., DEMOCRATIC SENATE, THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN!!!!

This President and Congress, are making difficult decisions left over from theose CLOWNS that just left it will take awhile but I have total confidence that they are on the right track.

Americansd need to remember that the Republican Party, policy wise have been on the short end for the past 60 years. They were against SOCIAL SECURITY, they were against MEDI-CARE, they were against THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT, they were against the VOTERS RIGHTS ACT. As you can see this PARTY hasn't had much not talk about lately.

Remember this group (THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION), put this Country in this FINANCIAL MESS. An an usual the Democrats will get these IDIOTS out of the jam they got us in.....

When queried further, respondents don't seem to really know what "liberal" is, or they cite reasons that aren't based in reality. Thus is the influence of hate radio and hate tv on 7% of the nation.

Until then those of you who weren't happy with Obama's landslide last year can go shit in the woods.
........#34 | Posted by DARTHCHENEY

....but isn't that where bears shit ?.......

.....what would PETA say if we shit in bear habitat ?.......

.....what would bears say ?.... " God those people are disgusting, look at that pile of human shit, just makes you want to eat a camper "......

Well, electorate gave Obama the Triumph ceremony and the glory has been fleeting since January. Actually, we the people are 2:1 favoring center-right, more libertarian approach to governance. This will reflect in the next election, however, the damage is so pervasive throughout the society that it will take a lot more then just electing same o'l rino-republicans.

A ton of the jackasses here are pissed because they aren't liberal enough!

#3 | Posted by eberly

That should tell you how far left some of these people are.

That should tell you how far left some of these people are.
#41 | Posted by everlong

Or how far right you are.

By election time they will be more despised than child molestors.

But they'll still be ahead of the NOPpers!

By election time they will be more despised than child molestors.
But they'll still be ahead of the NOPpers!
#43 | Posted by northguy3

I don't know if that's anything to be pleased about.

I assume you are using the phrase "child molestors" as a metanym for "Republicans." LOL

Actually, Gallup and Rassmussen are the most constant 'outliers' favoring Republican and Conservative positions among the 15 or 20 top polling organizations. Throughout the Bush administration, both were consistently showing Bush with approval ratings significantly higher than the mean value in a normal distribution of all of the top polls. (Zogby is an example of a consistent outlier in the opposite direction). In Gallup's case, they acknowledge that they include a higher percentage of Republicans in their sample groups than exists in the population at large, which inevitably slants their results. Given that the poll's founder, Dr. George Gallup was a politically conservative evangelical Christian with strong Right Wing leanings, this is, perhaps, understandable.

In the last poll of George W. Bush's performance ratings, Gallup had him at 34% approval and 61% disapproval, tied for the best rating with Fox News (another frequent outlier). Other major polls had his approval rating as low as 22% and disapproval rating as high as 73% (in the case of the NYT/CBS poll) and 24% vs 66% in the Pew poll.

Any individual poll, with or without political agendas, should not be used to define serious trends. A dozen polls, asking essentially the same question in different ways, will come up with differing percentages. Sometimes this is inadvertent, but some polls will intentionally phrase questions in order to skew the answers.

In standardized testing, such as the SAT, if an editor so much as inserts a comma in an existing question, or the typesetter changes where the linebreaks in the question occur when the test booklet is printed, all accumulated statistics on that question from its use in earlier tests are thrown out and it is considered a new item. A change that minor can affect the results.

The imprecision of polling, both in the way questions are phrased and in the nature of the answer options that are offered, means that the only statistically safe way to use polls is to follow a variety of polls on a given topic and regress their results to a mean, perhaps throwing out any outlier on either side that is significantly outside one or two standard deviations.

When queried further, respondents don't seem to really know what "liberal" is, or they cite reasons that aren't based in reality. Thus is the influence of hate radio and hate tv on 7% of the nation.

The word 'liberal' has been so distorted after 30 years of right-wing propaganda, that it isn't a fair measure. From the days of Reagan through today, when asked about most specific policy issues, a considerable majority come down on the liberal side - without realizing that they are, in fact, 'liberals.' To them, 'liberal' has been twisted into a synonym for 'evil socialist' and extremist.

It is ironic that Republicans view the reactionary, extremist lunatic fringe policies of their current leaders as moderate and the centrist, and the slightly left (and sometimes slightly right of center) policies of the current Democratic party as extremist and on the lunatic left-wing fringe. It is a complete reversal of the truth and is a distortion of perspective. When you are so far over to the right, even moderate Republicans look like left-wingers (look at the calls for people like Colin Powell to be thrown out of the party).

If you read ANY of the actually progressive or left-wing blogs, magazines, books, or other sources, you will see they are full of criticism of Obama and the Democrats for acting like 'Rockefeller Republicans.' From a progressive perspective, as the Republican party moved from center-right to the extreme right, the Democrats have moved right to pick up the disaffected former moderate and liberal Republicans, trusting that the progressives will still vote for them as the lesser of two evils. Right now, NONE of the progressive agenda is being pursued by the Dems.

If Obama really was on the left, then we'd see Obama campaigning hard for single-payer insurance (the only option he has, in fact, ruled out), removal of all troops from Iraq and Afghanistan (he's actually escalating in Afghanistan), a much larger stimulus bill, a return of top tax rates to the pre-Bush era, far less support for Wall Street and far more for Main Street (as he promised in his campaign before he packed his Treasury department with former Goldman-Sachs and CitiGroup executives), an immediate effort to close Gitmo and the other gulags we are still running around the world, an executive stop-loss order as Commander-in-Chief to suspend all Don't-Ask-Don't-Tell discharges immediately, a much stronger commitment to green technology and lowering our carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions, and a dozen other progressive policies that are being aggressively ignored by the Democratic leadership.

CELISARY, I'm sure no one takes you into consideration when thinking the dems are "too liberal".

MAEZEPPA, So, what definition of Liberal do you fly under? True, just by stating you belong to a party doesn't seem to hold too much. Again, it's semantics. These "boxes" were made to contain the elaborate definitions so we wouldn't have to sit here all day to try and explain our positions. We've got extremist from both ends hiding under the blankets of these words, and voters blindly voting red or blue.

As far as this being the result of hate TV/radio... 'common. We all still have a choice to turn the radio from AM1280 to 99.7FM; or from Comedy Central to AMC. If your intolerance towards something as harmless as these individual's freedom of speech (sticks & stones my friend) as better defining your position then I'll be to side-stepping a little to the "right" thank you.

only 46%?

why are Canadians returning in droves to private health insurance?

#35 | Posted by semtex111

It's good that they can, if they can afford it. I guess if some of them are using private insurance that also demonstrates that the health insurance industry will NOT be destroyed, as claims the talking point that so many like to promote. The fact remains. Per capita Canada and the rest of the G8 all spend MUCH less for health care, while life expectancy is longer.

If you have money get something better. If you can't afford something better free govt healthcare is a hell of a lot better than nothing.

Keep your eyes on the prize and don't be fooled.

#2 | POSTED BY PROLIX247 AT 2009-06-30 08:50 PM | REPLY | FLAG

What is the prize?

If you have money get something better. If you can't afford something better free govt healthcare is a hell of a lot better than nothing.

What is the point of having Medicare then?

Rethuglicans might have lost an election, but they continue to frame the debate.

I belong to the 54% who think the democratic party isn't liberal enough. Marijuana legalization should be a cornerstone of a liberal party--univeral health care should be part of it--freedom for gays to marry should be spoken for strongly--rights for women to make their own decisions about their own bodies should be firmly entrenched in a liberal party of strength.

The dems we have now are a bunch of pussies--if they fought as hard for liberal causes as conservatives fight to give money to the rich, we would have a truly great nation, instead of just a large nation. We might even try democracy someday, but we aren't ready for it yet.

I believe entrepreneurship will explode in this country. Many Americans would go into business for themselves if they knew that insurance was guaranteed. Many people I know stay at a job they hate just for the insurance benefits.

#19 | Posted by jackass

Based on what? your third grade education tells you so, you are indeed you name..."Many" of the people you know, ya mean many of your drug dealing buddies would branch out on their own?

The democrats are a pro-business, center-right party at best. About the only truly "liberal" idea they support through and through is progressive taxation.

There are a few exceptions - feingold, etc

Marijuana legalization should be a cornerstone of a liberal party

Figures. I've nothing against legalization of pot, but to make it an ideological cornerstone of a political party is kind of funny. Well, very funny.

"Obama needs to ram this through. I believe entrepreneurship will explode in this country. Many Americans would go into business for themselves if they knew that insurance was guaranteed. Many people I know stay at a job they hate just for the insurance benefits."

There is a lot of truth to this. That is a major hurdle for me and a few of my co-workers when it comes to the idea of starting a company.

I still have mostly negative feelings about government run health insurance, but I don't mind universal health care. Having programs to help people purchase health insurance sounds better to me.

I really would like them to go with the step by step approach. There are things that would be really easy to pass now. Obama has 4 years in office, they should pass something now, see if it works, and then fix and continue. If the part they do pass works well, then his popularity will go up and he'll have more sway next year to do more.

Marijuana legalization should be a cornerstone of a liberal party

I think the libertarians agree with that notion too. I think that belief runs orthogonal to all parties and ideologies.

The democrats are a pro-business, center-right party at best

That depends on which democrat. On the whole, if you compare them to Europe, then yes, it would be center-right. In the US, the democrats are the catch all of everything from center-right to far-left. The republicans and are center-right to facist. The libertarians frequently vote republican because they want the less of two evils. I'm not sure if they really are getting that, even in their own eyes.

"free govt healthcare"

Oh, that's a good one...

Yep, slowly but surely the american people are seeing democrats for who they are. By election time they will be more despised than child molestors.

#1 | Posted by buzkiller

Let's see. Being too Conservative is an honor and being too Liberal is... not?

The dems we have now are a bunch of pussies

#54 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-07-02 12:31 PM

The Dems are not liberal enough. They should be passing universal health care.

#16 | Posted by rcade at 2009-07-02 12:36 AM |

Wednesday, February 25, 2009
House Dems Guarantee Medicare Bankruptcy
From the Minority:

...the Democratic leadership, in their Rules package for the 111th Congress, turned off the Medicare trigger, ensuring no proposal to address Medicare's long-term spending crisis would receive the special consideration provided by law in the Medicare Modernization Act [MMA] of 2003

So what?

--The Medicare Trustees estimate the unfunded liability of the Medicare Program at $36 trillion over 75 years, a per-household burden of approximately $317,000. Without reform, this number skyrockets to nearly $48 trillion in just 5 years, or about $421,402 per household

--The Congressional Budget Office [CBO] estimates that Medicare alone will constitute 17 percent of gross domestic product [GDP] by 2082 a sixfold increase from 2006, and nearly the same percentage of GDP absorbed by the entire Federal budget today.

That's what. Your own CHILDREN cannot afford this, unless they are living in slums comparable to those of Mumbai.

And they will be, with cap-and-trade, and nationalhealthcare.

At this point does it really matter if we add another massive entitlement program? We will just end up driving off the cliff at 150 mph instead of 100 mph.

Ya think???

And guess what will happen in the mid term elections?

As long as Our President attempts to play "Big Tent" and submits no legislation to improve the human condition, as long as Guantanamo remains open, phones are tapped, people die in a pointless middle east conflicts and the nation lacks health care, all discussion of a working majority is pointless anyway. herm

and how many want to do away with?

social security
unemployment insurance
OSHA
public education
food inspections
FDA
Medicare
Medicaid
Welfare
Progressive Taxes
Civil Liberties
Right of Choice
Regulated Economy, i.e. wall street and mortgage lending
Environmental Protection
Clean Water
Clean Air
All restrictions on Gun ownership
Right to Privacy
Separation of Church and State

social security- reform
unemployment insurance-keep
OSHA-keep
public education- reform
food inspections- reform
FDA- majorly reform
Medicare- reform
Medicaid-reform
Welfare- reform
Progressive Taxes- lose
Civil Liberties-keep and expand
Right of Choice-keep and protect
Regulated Economy, i.e. wall street and mortgage lending- major reform
Environmental Protection- not as political tool
Clean Water-not as political tool
Clean Air-not as political tool
All restrictions on Gun ownership-lose
Right to Privacy-keep and expand
Separation of Church and State-keep and cement

Kanrei, you sound like a proud liberal, though your view on progressive tax is just plain incorrect.

and you are way off base on Environmental Protection, the CWA, the CAA, the EPA and especially on the state level, MASSIVE improvements over the quality of our drinking water and our air, unfortunately it has been working against the tidal wave of population growth and industrialization, but so much has been achieved in the past 30 years as to boggle the mind.

Opinions TH, nothing I said was "incorrect." By reform, I mean re-examine and repair; if unfixable, lose.

As far as Progressive Taxes goes, I support a flat tax, but not a National Sales Tax.

We might even try democracy someday, but we aren't ready for it yet.

#54 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob

Dear Bob... perhaps you did not know?

Our founding fathers never intended that we be a Democracy. This is a Republic. Or a at best a representative democracy. We'd really be screwed if this were a Democracy.

A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine. -Thomas Jefferson

Our founding fathers never intended that we be a Democracy. This is a Republic. Or a at best a representative democracy. We'd really be screwed if this were a Democracy.

Too true! A true democracy ends up just like Mtv... Why don't they play music on Music Television anymore?

The Dems are not liberal enough. They should be passing universal health care.

#16 | Posted by rcade

ditto.. that would be the largest boon to American industry in the last 50 years.. would tremendously benefit the citizenry, reduce manufacturing costs here and raise the std of living.

Our founding fathers never intended that we be a Democracy. This is a Republic. Or a at best a representative democracy. We'd really be screwed if this were a Democracy.

A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine. -Thomas Jefferson

#71 | Posted by donnerboy at 2009-07-02 02:13 PM | Reply |

I agree with that wholeheartedly. Maybe you aren't bright enough to figure out when I say TRY democracy, that we don't have a democracy here.

Ever wonder why we try to spread democracy all over the world when we think so little of it here? Of course not--you are just a drone--can't even use your own words to explain your point.

I would also bet that a search of your posts would find something about gay marriage and "the will of the people". I would say you support mob rule in cases you agree with.