Go Barney!

Jesus Christ! Legalize already. We'd clear up the deficit by the end of the year. California would have more cash than Dubai.

A Dubai Doobie.

Trademark!

Jesus Christ! Legalize already. We'd clear up the deficit by the end of the year.

Danni alone would probably have the Dade County coffers overflowing.

"Frank filed a similar bill last year, but it failed."

As it will this time.

And the next time.

And the next time.

And the next time.

Legalizing Herb also by default will open the door wide for industrial hemp. Can't have that. No no no.

Hemp paper

Hemp clothes

Hemp fuel

Just as a start...

Medicinal pot is already legal here in CA.

Don't need to legalize it any more.

yeah do it...and then start the federal program for tens of billions per year to pay for the health care for the new generation of pot heads.

Drop Barney Frank like a rock.

"Medicinal pot is already legal here in CA.

Don't need to legalize it any more."

Bullshit. We need to legalize and you need to start smoking cannabis to open up your robotic little mind.

OK quick someone check to see if Hell is frozen, I now have one item I can agree with Barney on. In fact California should plant even more pot and start exporting...

Murphy is probably one of those people who tried pot, didn't like it and based on that experience doesn't want anyone else to enjoy.

And don't give me the "it's about the kids" bullshit. The little fuckers probably get better weed than most people.

then start the federal program for tens of billions per year to pay for the health care for the new generation of pot heads.

#7 | Posted by slicksterWilly

Why would those who partake in Herb require more health care than anybody else?

I hope he succeeds, but he won't.

"The little fuckers probably get better weed than most people."

Not me. I have a prescription. There's no telling what schwag-in-a-bag shake junior is buying off his pals, but it can't beat walking up to a counter and having the opportunity to select from a menu of top quality wheezy.

Lately, I've been in a indica mood, so I've been getting my couch-lock on with some Northern Lights. I highly doubt junior has any Purple Haze or White Widow secreted away in his t-shirt drawer.

The left needs this legalized like Nancy Pelosi needs a third nut.

Why would those who partake in Herb require more health care than anybody else?

#11 | Posted by ZOT at 2009-06-30 03:02 PM

Watch REFER MADNESS produced before the era of color film maybe the 20's or 30's anyway it actually depicts people who smoke this will fly into a hallucinogenic state raping ALL the women in the neighborhood even the ugly ones. After the raping spree they rob ALL the residents flop around on the ground and choke to death on their own puke. The movie meant to be reality is hysterical which proves what most of us already know the government will LIE to you for their own benefit...

While I agree with the bill, it's hard not to see through it. Barney Frank and anyone else with a brain knows this has no chance of passing. But he's up for re-election in 2010 and took a big popularity hit after his supposed contributions to the housing market crash, which creates an opening for potential challengers. So he'll throw a bone to his liberal base, much like Chris Dodd pretending to change positions on gay marriage despite his inability to actually do anything about it.

it WOULD make him more appealing to his nearly blind boy toy.

it WOULD make him more appealing to his nearly blind boy toy.

#17 | Posted by nanc at 2009-06-30 03:16 PM

I think it would have to be something a little stronger like a lobotomy... uhhhh ahhhh gross...

Why would those who partake in Herb require more health care than anybody else?

#11 | Posted by ZOT

I thought the surgeon general said smoking was 'bad fo yo health'.

But it is a free country right. Smoke away, but don't ask for lung cancer treatments on the taxpayers dole. And don't ask for 'addiction treatment' on the taxpayers dole. And don't ask for unemployment benefits for pot head's who chose to get high instead of work.

Exercise your freedom's with responsibility. Gun's don't kill people, drugs do.

While I agree with the bill, it's hard not to see through it. Barney Frank and anyone else with a brain knows this has no chance of passing. But he's up for re-election in 2010 and took a big popularity hit after his supposed contributions to the housing market crash, which creates an opening for potential challengers. So he'll throw a bone to his liberal base, much like Chris Dodd pretending to change positions on gay marriage despite his inability to actually do anything about it.

#16 | Posted by JOE at 2009-06-30 03:15 PM

I disagree with this bill....HEY I'm a centrist!!!

Gun's don't kill people, drugs do.

#19 | Posted by slicksterWilly at 2009-06-30 03:31 PM | Reply | Flag: doesn't have a clue!!

"Not me. I have a prescription. There's no telling what schwag-in-a-bag shake junior is buying off his pals, but it can't beat walking up to a counter and having the opportunity to select from a menu of top quality wheezy.

Lately, I've been in a indica mood, so I've been getting my couch-lock on with some Northern Lights. I highly doubt junior has any Purple Haze or White Widow secreted away in his t-shirt drawer."

That's the truth. There's no way junior has anything close to what you can buy in a shop in LA county.

Sativa in the daytime, indica in the evening. Good medicine.

"Medicinal pot is already legal here in CA."

BTW, Murphy, that's misleading. Dumbshit counties like yours and San Bernardino, Riverside, etc., don't have a single dispensary.

"But it is a free country right. Smoke away, but don't ask for lung cancer treatments on the taxpayers dole. And don't ask for 'addiction treatment' on the taxpayers dole. And don't ask for unemployment benefits for pot head's who chose to get high instead of work."

And certainly don't bother with the fact that none of these scare tactics are based on anything except your imagination.

"Medicinal pot is already legal here in CA."

BTW, Murphy, that's misleading. Dumbshit counties like yours and San Bernardino, Riverside, etc., don't have a single dispensary.

Murphy said California...not Northern Mexico.

Here in the REAL California (Humboldt County) it is most definitely legal for medicinal purposes. There are clinics everywhere (if you know where to look). It is up to your local DA and county ordinance as to how many you can grow how and how much you can carry. WE have an awesome DA who was looking ahead...I can grow up to 99 plants myself and now that my wife has her card we can grow another 99 plants (i won't go over 99 total just to be safe). BUT, there are some gray areas in the laws right now that need to be corrected (such as the 99 plants per person or site, etc). For example it is not exactly legal to sell though the (some) clinics will buy any "excess" from the "members". It is a real interesting time to be in. Street value is about 5 times higher than what the clinics pay but I would rather keep it strictly business only and they should legalize it further so I don't have to deal with gray areas of the law. I would much rather pay my fair share of taxes so the MAN can have his cut and leave me the fuck alone. Plus I don't want to have to shoot someone who decides to try and punk out on me and steal my crop. Though there was a real interesting story lately where some punks tried to rob a local grower and one ended up dead and the other is in jail after running from the local deputies. It was a real wild west shoot out. None of the growers got hurt in this one and last I heard they were still free and getting the stolen "property" back.

I have one thing to say about this.

Which ever party pushes this through will enjoy massive public affection after it's passed and it's legal to admit that you like the weed.

I just sunk a couple clones in the ground, a sour diesel and a mr. nice. More to go.

And certainly don't bother with the fact that none of these scare tactics are based on anything except your imagination.

#25 | Posted by danni at 2009-06-30 05:46 PM

Dunni, please explain how more people smoking pot would not result in more people experiencing lung disease. I don't care if you want to kill yourself, just don't ask me to pay for it.

You obviously don't believe that more younger kids smoking pot leads to more younger kids experimenting with harder, more additive drugs.

Frank has filed a bill that would eliminate federal penalties for personal possession of less than 100 grams of marijuana.

100 grams is a hell of a personal stash! I guess Barney knows how to roll.

F##k! Finally this decomposing fruitcake suggests a law I agree with (but more like 28 grams or fewer, a Mexican dirtweed measure).

What if all drugs were legal except for politicians who had to submit to random urine/hair tests? They are so important that their decisions matter most, right? More than airline pilots, from the campaign garbage I have been sent over the years.
Legalize it all EXCEPT for those in elected office. They are so vital to us we must hold them to a higher standard.
Then they might finally discuss personal liberty, freedom from laws.

please explain how more people smoking pot would not result in more people experiencing lung disease. I don't care if you want to kill yourself, just don't ask me to pay for it.

Do you have a link to where smoking pot causes any kind of lung disease? Here's one that says it kills brain cancer cells.

Ok... I can't believe I am going to say this... but I think Barney might be right on this... [even if it is for all the wrong reasons].

For the record, I am not a pot smoker. In fact, I have never done any illegal drug. In an attempt to be completely candid, I did drink more than was healthy when I was younger.

I don't agree that pot is harmless. It might well be a gate-way drug for some, maybe a majority, of the people who try it. So what? I believe children do not have the requisite knowledge and experience to make an informed consent. As for adults, however, I think you should be able to smoke pot if you want. You should also be able to shoot up, snort, or do whatever drug you want as long as you take responsibility for your actions.

These responsibilities would include providing for yourself and your children, not driving when impaired, and keeping underage people drug free as much as possible.

If you have kids that you are not taking care of, then that burden would fall to someone else... and that needs to be addressed. Also, I think that anyone on public assistance [which I personally oppose] should be randomly tested for drugs and if they have been using, they should go to jail for defrauding the public.

Use if you want, but do so on your own buck.

Been toking since"66". Heavy in the "70s". Less in the "90s"
Even less now. Birthdays, holidays, vacations.... Man it does hurt
yer lungs. I'm 58 now and da truth hurts, on birthdays, holidays, vacations..... So I toke lightly..........

"I think John Stuart Mill had it right in the 1850s," said Congressman Frank, "when he argued that individuals should have the right to do what they want in private, so long as they don't hurt anyone else.

--and their boyfriends should be able to run gay whorehouses out of taxpayer-funded apartments!"

--Barnnie Mae Frank

The problem is that people who come out brain damaged from their pot dens come up with ideas like global warming and crap and tax.

"It might well be a gate-way drug for some, maybe a majority, of the people who try it."

Talking point from the sixties. It was bull shit then, still is.

"Dunni, please explain how more people smoking pot would not result in more people experiencing lung disease. I don't care if you want to kill yourself, just don't ask me to pay for it."

I haven't seen a study yet that found that smoking the small amount of pot most people do has ever been found to have created more lung disease.
Pot doesn't have the tar and other chemicals which cigarettes do and which are most responsible for the harm they cause.

But it is a free country right. Smoke away, but don't ask for lung cancer treatments on the taxpayers dole. And don't ask for 'addiction treatment' on the taxpayers dole. And don't ask for unemployment benefits for pot head's who chose to get high instead of work.

Exercise your freedom's with responsibility. Gun's don't kill people, drugs do.

#19 | Posted by slicksterWilly

Exercise your ignorance about Herb then to your freedom's delight.

- Herb (marijuana, active ingredient THC) is non-physically addicting. There can be a psychological dependence. But Herb has never been proven to produce any physical withdrawal symptoms.

- No one has ever (been proven to have) OD'd on Herb. Though, especially with some of the Good Stuff, Herb can bring on a rather intense feeling of paranoia, though this is very short term. And as with any mood/mind altering substance, not everybody can handle a little Herb trotting through their brain cavity.

- Your veiled comparison to tobacco use with Herb is simply silly and grossly uninformed. Rare, very rare, is the person who is going to fire up 20 to 40 Js a day, as a typical smoker does with cigs. With most folk, a couple-three hits is quite adequate. Nor is rolly Zig-Zag the only method to smoke. Pipes and bongs are perfect for that couple-three hits. Little waste, no rug and clothes burns, no wind-through-window-blowing-
hot-roach-into-back-seat-of-
car-and-setting-it-on-fire (a Yikes moment to be sure). The casual user will probably imbibe a couple-three times a week. One would get more exposure to toxins and contaminants walking down the street in downtown LA or Denver or NYC.

Can I assume you have the exact same opinions about alcohol, which is an exponentially far more harmful substance than Herb could ever be?

Before you pounce on me and start labeling me a "pot head," FTR, like a couple of others here, I have made the deliberate decision not to Herbalize because: 1) Herb is illegal to posses and use, and 2) Because of point 1, Herb does not mesh well with my employer's policies and my required "certifications" for my job, and could easily derail my JCP (Job Continuation Plan) - a Bad Thing considering the times - if Murphy took a hand. If I was addicted to Herb, this would not be possible.

If (when?) Herb is all legal and righteous, I'll allow myself to a taste now and then. But never before or at work. That would be Stupid.

If I may ask, how old are you and what socio-economic group do you identify yourself with?

As much as I think pot should be legal, I don't go in for the idea that legalizing it would somehow reduce our debt. Our government has shown time and time again that more revenue coming in does not necessarily mean that we pay the debt down with it.

I just sunk a couple clones in the ground, a sour diesel and a mr. nice. More to go.

#28 | Posted by dxlingr

You kids today!. I have no clue what those are.

Now you wanna talk Columbian Gold, or Panama Red, or Thai Stick, or Black African, well.. I know, Old School. Like Big Band.

I haven't seen a study yet that found that smoking the small amount of pot most people do has ever been found to have created more lung disease.
Pot doesn't have the tar and other chemicals which cigarettes do and which are most responsible for the harm they cause.

#40 | Posted by danni

What I've read says that there doesn't seem to be higher rates of lung cancer but the smoking (pot or tobacco) still causes lung damage which can lead to things like COPD and emphezema. Which can be costly to treat and unpleasant to live with.

legalize it and tax it.

If I may ask, how old are you and what socio-economic group do you identify yourself with?

#41 | Posted by ZOT at 2009-07-01 10:20 AM

Rich white guy, who toked in high school and College. If you beleive the crap that smoking herb posses no health risk, try this experiment. Use a bong and toke away, after a couple of bowls, explain that tar substance that accumulates on the glass of the bong. The same junk is accumulating in your lungs.

Speaking from first hand knowledge from working with mainstream teens and fringe teens. Kids that toke usually are at least one of the following:
1)risk averse/self destructive(they know smoking is not healthy, but so what. They know sex with multiple partners is not safe, but so what...)
2) low esteme(no body likes me unless I'm (high, drunk, putting out).
Many will move to harder drugs if they are available.

Virtually every study I've ever read that claimed to find some harmful effects of pot use quantities that no one ever smokes. You could do the same thing with virtually any substance.
The way I see it, if there is not a clear harm to users that can be documented in unambiguous terms then it should not be illegal in a "so called" free country. Laws should be there to prevent harm to individuals or society not just arbitrary excuses for arrest and incarceration which is exactly what pot laws are today....excuses for the police to harrass....ways to marginalize people not fully in agreeement with the corporatocracy.

"Frank files bill to decriminalize pot."

hmmm... I'll believe it when I see it.

threat to the paper industry..... check.

threat to the cotton industry.... check.

threat to the liquor industry..... check.

threat to the ethanol industry... check.

threat to the pharmaceutical industry... check.

he smoking (pot or tobacco) still causes lung damage which can lead to things like COPD and emphezema. Which can be costly to treat and unpleasant to live with.

#44 | Posted by astrobuckeye

Generally, Herb smokers tend to also be cigarette smokers. Hard to separate out which cause the greater damage long term.

Barney Frank deserves our full support.

Once this is passed 60% of our jail population could be released.

"Generally, Herb smokers tend to also be cigarette smokers. Hard to separate out which cause the greater damage long term."

Not really, you would just do a study of those who smoke cigarettes only and comare it to a study of those who smoke both.

threat to the private prison industry... check.
threat to the law enforcementon industry... check.
threat to the criminal attorney industry... check.
threat to the drug rehabilitation industry... check.

Generally, Herb smokers tend to also be cigarette smokers. br />
#50 | Posted by ZOT

Not in my experience.

They do and they don't...there is no universal. Everyone I know who puffs does not smoke cigs.

Not in my experience.

#54 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2009-07-01 11:07 AM | Reply

Mine either. Not one toker I know smokes cigs.

For example Tommy Chong did 9 months hard time in a Federal Prison for having his name on an internet bong pipes. In a typical plea deal he took the rap so that his wife and son wouldn't have to do any time. Fucking sanctimonious publicity hound Federal Prosecutor bitch, appointed by Shrub for Pennsylvannia. THe fucking business was in another State.

"Generally, Herb smokers tend to also be cigarette smokers. br />"

Total nonsense. Most cannabis users are not tobacco users.

The pot smokers I know who also smoke cigs are in the minority, to be sure.

Although, I know of some who stoop to buying and smoking a pack of cigarettes if only the schwiggity (or nothing) is available...

"smoking (pot or tobacco) still causes lung damage which can lead to things like COPD and emphezema. "

You just need to switch to a vaporizer, bro.

You just need to switch to a vaporizer, bro.
#60 | Posted by nullifidian

I'm not a big fan of the vap. Different experience.

I dig the vap, but it is way too much work for the average lazy stoner.

#46 | Posted by midtowncowboy

"If you beleive the crap that smoking herb posses no health risk, try this experiment. Use a bong and toke away, after a couple of bowls, explain that tar substance that accumulates on the glass of the bong. The same junk is accumulating in your lungs."

Lookeehere, CowDude, I never stated that Herb posed no health risk. I know all about bowl accumulation and bong juice. Nasty stuff. I knew folk who when Herbless would drain the bong juice through a paper filter and dry out the collection to smoke. Yuk! Some would even roll the collection into the dried filter paper and smoke that. Yuk x 2! Another trick: clean the Herb pipe with a heated metal wire and suck up the burn-off.

"Speaking from first hand knowledge from working with mainstream teens and fringe teens. Kids that toke usually are at least one of the following:
1)risk averse/self destructive(they know smoking is not healthy, but so what. They know sex with multiple partners is not safe, but so what...)
2) low esteme(no body likes me unless I'm (high, drunk, putting out).
Many will move to harder drugs if they are available."

And you are working with kids who are already high risk (or course, just about any kid today could be considered high risk considering the crappy job we have done building a safe society). Herbalizing is a symptom and reaction, not a cause. Also note that nobody here is advocating making Herb available legally to kids.

Because you profess experience in the arena, you know quite well that kids will get what they want, legal or not, off the shelf or not. I knew kids who would buy up boxes of Dramamine and eat half a box for a high. Herb is not The Problem here. But it makes a convenient scapegoat because the high riskers use it for the reasons you state, so it is erroneously concluded that Herb is the Cause. It Is Not! They will found an outlet one way or another. Mum's and Pop's med cabinet. Pop's tile glue. Mum's nail polish remover. Herb has been so demonized over the decades that it is easy (and simplistic) to blame Herb.

Alcohol is probably is probably the more logical choice to finger as The Gateway Drug than Herb. But alcohol still enjoys a high degree of protection from the legal Drug Cartel

Total nonsense. Most cannabis users are not tobacco users.

#58 | Posted by nullifidian

Okay, I'll restate: The majority of the Herb users I knew were also cigarette smokers. The majority of the Herb users I observed also had a pack of smokes in their pocket or purse.

And that was a long time ago in a galaxy far far away.

I smoke pot yet I can still run three miles at a pretty good pace for someone my age. I still work everyday and have lots of fun on weekends.
I can't honestly say that my nearly 40 years of pot smoking has done me any harm and my doctor agrees.

ah good ole barney
the POSTER BOY for the liberal hypocricy in SEX SCANDLES...
he can have a gay whore house in his home and he is still there coming up with shit like this.
tsk tsk tsk tsk.........

yeah legalize that shit..I mean there's nothing wrong with seeing even more students stoned at school since thier scores are already so good.
sure...a return to the "if it feels good, do it " days and we see all the time what that got us

uh danni...I would disagree that it hasnt any harm. it has affected your mind and opinions on issues.
and your admission here answers a whole lot of questions I have had since joining.

"Barney Frank deserves our full support.
Once this is passed 60% of our jail population could be released."

#51 | Posted by nutcase

"According to the US Department of Justice, approximately 30-40 percent of all current prison admissions involve crimes that have no direct or obvious victim other than the perpetrator," the report finds. "The drug category constitutes the largest offense category, with 31 percent of all prison admissions resulting from such crimes."

"Previous data released last year by the Bureau of Justice Statistics indicates that 12.7 percent of state inmates and 12.4 percent of federal inmates incarcerated for drug violations are serving time for marijuana offenses."

Who wants to drop $300 on some useless consumer junk when your neighborhood pot shop will give you an oz of Kush for it? That's another reason legalization is opposed. Pot smoker priorities are different than corporate America's.

"#67 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-07-01 11:35 AM | Reply | Flag"

Could you go paint your graffiti on another thread, AKAstupid?

could you eat shit and tell us it tastes like chicken.

I understand the left not wanting anyone to stand in the way of making eveyone a stoned drugheaded pot smoker but I can post my opinion of it here.
you are just upset to know about frank being a pimp and OF COURSE being a dem, he is still there...and you are too ignorant to understand that there are enough drugs in school now that making it easier for them isnt the answer...
but then as I said...most of your potheads dont give a shit about that anyway.

"you are just upset to know about frank being a pimp"

At long last, still no compunction against lying.

you are just upset to know about frank being a pimp

#72 | Posted by afkabl2

You DO know that he was investigated and exonerated, right?

"I dig the vap, but it is way too much work for the average lazy stoner."

No work at all with some vapes. When easy to use, portable vapes like the iolite come down in price they will be every cannabis users must-have item.

yeah and so was OJ and michael......wink wink...
and it IS THE TRUTH that it was being done out of his home. I guess thats like the other liberal fucks named pelosi and feinstein who dont know what thier husbands are spending money on as tax payers fill thier bank accounts.

point is this would be another tragic mistake committed by liberals.

Should be up to states. Feds should allow states to decriminalize, but not to occupy the field so that states have to legalize it.

For all you pot-heads, I don't necessarily think it should be illegal; however, I think you all underestimate the damage done in terms of worker productivity, auto accidents, etc...

"If you beleive the crap that smoking herb posses no health risk, try this experiment. Use a bong and toke away, after a couple of bowls, explain that tar substance that accumulates on the glass of the bong. The same junk is accumulating in your lungs."

use a vaporizer... NO "junk" gets to your lungs.

next feeble excuse!

"point is this would be another tragic mistake committed by liberals."

Yeah, we'd be better off to keep filling jails and ruining people's lives. Typical unthinking knee jerk right wing reaction.

For all you pot-heads, I don't necessarily think it should be illegal; however, I think you all underestimate the damage done in terms of worker productivity, auto accidents, etc...

#77 | Posted by somoco at 2009-07

good talk and to the point. and as I have said repeatedly...kids go to school with enough drugs without adding more pot which is exactly what would happen as that cig they smoke in the cars across the street would then be pot instead of marlborous or kools and dont for one moment think that there would be enough enforcement of any laws concerning them getting it...

Yeah, we'd be better off to keep filling jails and ruining people's lives. Typical unthinking knee jerk right wing reaction.

#79 | Posted by danni

then maybe you would read the post from somoco and mine about pot at school and think more about it if you are so concerned with me making a 'rash' reaction.
and I have thought about it for sometime with a much more open mind than most liberal fucks here ever seem to exhibite

.kids go to school with enough drugs without adding more

That attitude would work if the war on drugs actually kept drugs away from kids...it doesn't. As it stands today, those kids in school are the only ones with steady access to the drugs, so all the "war" is doing is keeping drugs out of the hands of adults, not kids.

" auto accidents, etc..."

What a crock. Pot smokers are probably safer drivers than sober ones. It's hard getting in a major accident when you're driving 15 mph.

It is easy for those who never use drugs to assume keeping it illegal would keep kids safe, but those who partake know the average age of the dealers they must deal with and let me tell you, college has the best stuff and those college kids get theirs from high school kids.

then maybe you would read the post from somoco and mine about pot at school and think more about it if you are so concerned with me making a 'rash' reaction.
and I have thought about it for sometime with a much more open mind than most liberal fucks here ever seem to exhibite

#81 | Posted by afkabl2

Y'a know, BL2. You'd probably be able to type a bit better, like use capital letters and more returns and such, if you put down that perpetual Lone Star and use both hands.

"Everyone I know who puffs does not smoke cigs."

"Not one toker I know smokes cigs."

When I used to smoke, just about everyone else that did also smoked cigs. They still do.

"and it IS THE TRUTH that it was being done out of his home"

Yes, that part IS true. The rest was a lie.

We're hoping you now understand one true part doesn't mean you get to make up other, untrue parts.

I think you all underestimate the damage done in terms of worker productivity, auto accidents, etc...

#77 | Posted by somoco at 2009-07-01 12:19 PM

The same common sense rules apply to pot as apply to any alcohol or drug product. This product may cause some drowsiness! Do NOT use and operate heavy machinery!

If Michael Jackson had treated his depression and pain with marijuana instead of the plethora of pharmaceuticals they pumped into him it is likely he would have lived longer. A LOT longer. Many ailments treated with marijuana completely eliminate the need for a shelf full of medicines with their horrible side effects. There is the added benefit of living a more contented life. And by the way I am a professional and very few people at my office are even aware that I smoke cannabis because I am very responsible about it. Also I am very productive probably more productive and creative than 90% of my coworkers. AS for the contention that it affects your memory or ability to learn. LIFE affects your memory and my ability to learn has never been diminished. In fact it is probably enhanced as I don't get depressed anymore so I am MORE interested in learning. I am always in the top 90% of any class I take.

It is obvious to me that the likes of AFKaBabble could use a good toke. God what an anal retentive asshole! Lighten up dickhead the world is changing. The days of Reefer Madness are over. Prohibition is coming to an end.

A question to ponder:

According to a police officer, they frequently enter a home where the children are living in filth with little food or medical care with the parents stoned out of their minds.

If marijuana is decrinalized and cheaper and more available she thinks this will be even more common.

Agree or disagree and why?

...with the parents stoned out of their minds.

Getting "stoned out of their minds", if that is truly the case, is nothing but a symptom of a much larger problem. Smoking marijuana obviously is a form of self-medication. They are self-medicating because they have other serious problems...mental, physical, financial, health...who knows. And who are YOU to judge?

Walk a mile in their shoes and get back to me.

Meanwhile, treat the problems not the symptoms.

Agree or disagree and why?

#89 | Posted by FreddyK

I don't think it will increase the incidence of child abuse. I think the same people who are dirtbags and don't properly care for kids will do it regardless of whether or not pot is legal.

#89 | Posted by FreddyK

Anecdotal "evidence" is worth less than half a shit, but I'll play ball anyway.

What the officer "thinks" will happen is pretty irrelevant. Again, anecdotal evidence with nothing to back it up other than opinion. This anecdotal "slippery slope" argument is hardly convincing.

And I see you are attempting to imply that there's some kind of causal link between stoned parents and kids living amidst filth. There might be a correlation, but I can think of legal substances that might be worse in this regard.

Nothing from the female officer about how many doors are knocked down only to find kiddos languishing in squalor while the parents are passed out in pools of their own beer-vomit?

Oh, sorry...that doesn't make for a good talking point in the War on Drugs(TM). Budweiser doesn't approve of that kind of thinking.

Let's look to history though, shall we? When alcohol was outlawed, a new black market was spawned overnight for booze. Lots of people got poorly made booze, got shot, arrested, had their families broken up, etc. etc. etc., until finally people realized that the whole thing wasn't worth the time or effort, and was counterproductive to boot. We're repeating history today.

I suspect that the lady-cop fears for her job if marijuana were decriminalized or legalized. Fewer riot suits to wear, guns to point, doors to kick in, etc., at fewer nonviolent drug offenders and whatnot...

I must also disagree with the officer's listed opinion. If people are douchenozzles, it makes absolutely no difference if they are high or not. They weren't going to take care of those children regardless. Around this area, people are entirely sober and won't take care of their children, it's quite sad, really.

Earlier there was a point of contention as to whether pot tokers were also tobacco smokers. I know a few around here, freinds of mine; some do, some don't.

AFK, regarding your "concern" about kids going to school, or adults going to work, stoned: kinda obvious, they'll be sent home/fired/whatever is appropriate for the situation. If it is legalized, that will not require schools/businesses to allow such in their places of business.

Dude,

Citizen control by letting them be stoned...what a concept. Better be free Fritos and Twinkies as an earmark somewhere.....

There were posts earlier listing threats to various industries. Allow me at this time to hang a "+1" on those, as I am too lazy (and have to go back to work) to link to them directly.

I have heard figures this high, but forgotten the source. I probably stand corrected on your basic numbers, but lose you when you derive 5%.

It is well known within the legal community, where business (money) trumps justice almost everytime that 10% of all convictions are incorrect. The innocence project provides some examples, although more time and energy is put into capital cases than the others.

In addition, a lot of Fathers are imprisoned for failure to pay child support. A realistic inability to pay is never an excuse. Support charges with interest accumulate unless you can get an order modified, which can never be done unless there is a legitimate change in circumstances and timely filing. Some are veterans of Iraq, who cannot get their support orders changed before they are activated due to the slugishness of the Courts. Others are not even the legitimate Father, just an arbitray match in the phone book that were convicted in absentia and have not legal recourse. Yes, our system of justice has really become that bad. That's because everything is a fucking business, prosecutors, Judges and private attorneys have given up on Justice. All they care about is the money.

So, if you go beyond just the marijuana issue it is easy to reach at least 50%, if not 60%. Even your own figures allow up to 30-40%, depending on how you interpret them.

If it is legalized, that will not require schools/businesses to allow such in their places of business.

#93 | Posted by LetUsReason

Just as if I showed up to work drunk I'd get fired, it's not as if the framework isn't there to handle it. Of course cigarette smokers get to use at work, provided they leave the office.

"Anecdotal "evidence" is worth less than half a shit," #92 | Posted by Zarathustra

It was just her opinion. Is yours based on more real world experience? The "fear for her job" part was pretty low though. I'm sure she became a police officer for the pay check.

"Citizen control by letting them be stoned.."

Television is far more effective,, as is alcohol and pharmaceuticals. Cannabis users are more likely to non-conformists. If you want social control you would much prefer the former.

Contrary to most depictions, I find pot makes you think more and question more. A stoned populace would be harder to control because of the constant streams of "why" to every choice being made for them.

#100 | Posted by kanrei

They tell you pot smoking makes you unmotivated. Lie! When you're high you can do everything you normally do just as well, you just realize it's not worth the fucking effort. There is a difference. Sure I could get up at dawn, get in traffic, go to a job I hate that does not inspire me creatively whatsoever, for the rest of my life. Sure I could due that.(pipe hit)......or.... I could get up at noon and learn how to play the sitar!

Bill Hicks influenced my thought process more than I ever realized.

Has anyone heard anything about possible regulation? I have 3 friends whose teenagers had to go to residential programs to treat pot addiction. The behavior they describe sounds much more extreme than anything I associate with pot; it sounds like dealers/distributors may be putting something pretty nasty in it.

Phoen,
Those kids probably had emotional problems pot suppressed. One negative side effect of frequent use is that users start to rely on pot for emotional control and, without pot, forget how to control reactions.

Yeah laced pot is pretty much a myth, these days at least. Dealers aren't trying to kill off thier customers.

Contrary to most depictions, I find pot makes you think more and question more. A stoned populace would be harder to control because of the constant streams of "why" to every choice being made for them.

#100 | Posted by kanrei

All the Ferderal Goverment would have to do is purchase the Taco Bell Francises. They'd be back in Control.

Pot increases your sense of taste...trust me when I say Taco Bell would go out of business in a world of legal pot. It is more of a beer munchie. Krispie Kreme stock would go through the roof though.

The behavior they describe sounds much more extreme than anything I associate with pot; it sounds like dealers/distributors may be putting something pretty nasty in it.

#103 | Posted by Phoenix

Or the kids themselves have. Many cases concerning PCP laced Herb. Bad. Very, very bad. I knew folk who, pre-crack, put cocaine in the roll. Seemed to be pretty hard on the lungs.

Pot does not really catalyze extreme behavior, at least not violent behavior. There is that paranoia thing I mentioned above. It can set a person to babbling, or gong off on the strangest tangents.

But pot addiction? You take somebody off Herb and he/she ain't gonna start scratching bugs out of his/her skin, or go into screaming rage fits, or threaten your life for a taste, or robbing your mother's and brother's and sister's and friend's and everybody's and anybody's house to get green to pay for their next fix. There is no physiological component in Herb that creates the feed-the-Beast addiction, like nicotine or cocaine or meth.

#6 | POSTED BY MURPHY
"Medicinal pot is already legal here in CA.
Don't need to legalize it any more."

I'll ignore the laughable leap of logic for now, and simply ask:
WHY?

kids go to school with enough drugs without adding more

That attitude would work if the war on drugs actually kept drugs away from kids...it doesn't. As it stands today, those kids in school are the only ones with steady access to the drugs, so all the "war" is doing is keeping drugs out of the hands of adults, not kids.

#82 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-07-01 12

but clearly nothing you said in response makes the case that pot should be easier for them to get.

Yes, that part IS true. The rest was a lie.

We're hoping you now understand one true part doesn't mean you get to make up other, untrue parts.

#87 | Posted by Danforth at 2009

it was out of his house and that makes him part of it and dont EVEN try and tell me he didnt know about it..or is HE THAT stupid..

It is obvious to me that the likes of AFKaBabble could use a good toke. God what an anal retentive asshole! Lighten up dickhead the world is changing. The days of Reefer Madness are over. Prohibition is coming to an end.

#88 | Posted by donnerboy at

all right...cool dude

like...far out....hey man....where can I score some shit...man......wow...........
.groovy

Actually AFK, I clearly said it couldn't be any easier for them to get it. The literate caught that =P

just a little sample of the public school child getting even dumber....
will they all have to wear thier caps sideways too...

Actually AFK, I clearly said it couldn't be any easier for them to get it. The literate caught that =P

#113 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-07-01 01

shit DUDE>...sorry bout that....I was..like...looking...for some cookies or something...MAN....oh far out...there are some...

Bill Hicks influenced my thought process more than I ever realized.

#102 | Posted by kanrei at 2009

saw him life twice..
funnist man who a lot of people never knew about..
but he didnt influence me

Bill Hicks - Mandatory Marijuana

where can I score some shit...man......wow...........
.groovy

#112 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-07-01 01:53 PM

Try reading your own dribble..plenty of "shit" right there. Stinks pretty bad too.

I don't smoke shit... I smoke some of the best marijuana in the world. Grown right here in Humboldt County. You need to grow up AFKAbabble. The world is a big big place. Get out and experience it. Not everyone thinks or lives like you in your narrow little box.

Thank God.

More Hicks...

like...far out....hey man....where can I score some shit...man......wow...........
~AflacBabbler

yeah do it...and then start the federal program for tens of billions per year to pay for the health care for the new generation of pot heads.

Yeah, cuz we all know that Doritos cost so much more than liver transplants...

"it was out of his house and that makes him part of it"

Part of it?!? You're backpedaling. You originally claimed "pimp". Do you have any proof Frank was the pimp, or are you going to retract the lie?

I stand by my statement as I am convinced he knew all about it and more than likely...cant prove..that he also participated in it...

and OTHERS...
please.......to get an idea of our world if pot is legal just watch the movie with luke wilson
'idiocirty' or something like that
where he gets transpoted ahead a century or so and he is the smartest man in the world..

just a hint at the all pot all the time world libs are after...

idiotricy

the whole world only watches tv...smokes shit..has sex..

uh....wait a min...may have to rethink that..LOL

Decent movie....
"Go Away...baitin'!"

Ps- nobody smokes shit in that movie. One of the central plot points was that NOTHING GREW because they used Gatorade instead of water. If nothing grows, pot, which is a plant, doesn't grow either.

just a hint at the all pot all the time world libs are after...

#123 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-07-01 02:28 PM thinks Idiocracy (which he can't even spell) was a prophetic movie

please.......to get an idea of our world if pot is legal just watch the movie with luke wilson
'idiocirty' or something like that
where he gets transpoted ahead a century or so and he is the smartest man in the world..

Idiocracy (n):
1: Funny movie that most likely went over the wee head stored in Aflac's 10-gallon cowboy hat;
2: The proper term for the problem-solving force which emerges when two or more of AflacBabbler's neurons get together.

If the U.S. was an idiocracy AKAstupid would be an aristocrat.

Ps- nobody smokes shit in that movie. One of the central plot points was that NOTHING GREW because they used Gatorade instead of water. If nothing grows, pot, which is a plant, doesn't grow either.

#126 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-

yeah yeah...the movie sucked really bad...so I didnt get it all right...that was beside the point..

wow 128
129
120
those sure put me in my place...wowowowowowooooooooooo

the last post on it was supposed to be a joke..
get it...listed things in the movie and then said...wait a min..maybe those things are okay after all and so what if I had to use a little dramatic liscense to do it....

that was beside the point..

No, that was your point. You brought it up.

please.......to get an idea of our world if pot is legal just watch the movie with luke wilson
'idiocirty' or something like that
where he gets transpoted ahead a century or so and he is the smartest man in the world..

just a hint at the all pot all the time world libs are after...

There was zero pot in that movie.

yeah yeah...the movie sucked really bad...so I didnt get it all right...that was beside the point..

#131 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-07-01 02:52 PM

and basically had nothing to do with marijuana. But you tried to tell us that the movie was prophetic about the results of a world where Marijuana was legal. Are you sure you are not stoned? Or maybe you are just 13. That could explain it too.

you think so
so you are completely certain that all of the people there who were all drugged out for lack of better way to put it..were that way because they only had gatoraid to drink..

surely there were some sources there to take pots place......euphonisms perhaps..is that the right word??

because they all talked like they were stoned...you know..stupidlike

so you are completely certain that all of the people there who were all drugged out for lack of better way to put it..were that way because they only had gatoraid to drink..

They were stupid, not drugged.

anyway..thats what I was thinking during the movie...I mean it wasnt one of the product placement things but I got the idea that was what the movie makers intended..

#88 "The same common sense rules apply to pot as apply to any alcohol or drug product. This product may cause some drowsiness! Do NOT use and operate heavy machinery!"

I don't disagree DB. But your post makes sense in the context of medical use for the drug, not necessarily recreational.

If pot was legalized, which I would not disagree with as long as each state has the option to regulate, there would be those who would have access and use who do not today. Many of those would use and try to work or drive while stoned (remember, being high is a 3-4 hour proposition) there would be consequences.

Likewise, it would be easier for high school kids to get, and there would necessarily be new laws on restrictions on where, when, and how it is used/sold etc... Cops will have to have some way of determining whether people are under the influence, which I think would be tougher to deal with than alcohol. Drug testing for jobs will be compromised because pot use would be legal - and it'll be harder to figure if someone operating machinery etc. is actually high, or just tests positive from a weekend bender.

My sole point was that this should be a state by state decision, and there will be consequences in terms of more people using that the state will have to deal with. To say that it'll all be wonderful and the world will be better for it seems a bit naive.

but stupid and stoned sound alike...LIKE you know..man...HEY DUDE>...
and its a supported fact that when you take your cap and put it on sideways that iq points go down and it drags on the brain cells....

surely you knew that.........wink wink

It wasn't at all. The entire movie's theme was explained in the first 10 minutes during the story about the two families. The stupid family bred like bunnies while the smart family kept waiting for the right time to have children. The end result was that the smart family died childless and the dumb family had 17 kids.

Are you sure you are not stoned? Or maybe you are just 13. That could explain it too.

#134 | Posted by donnerboy at 2009-07-01 03:11 PM | Reply |
sorry you cant carry on a conversation without resorting to this nonsense like kanrie can even if he is a moronic, leftists, asswipe, commie, red pinko bastard......wink wink.......
too bad....

Pineapple Express is an anti-pot movie for sure, but not Idiocrasy.

The voice over continued that, if current reproduction trends continue, the world would end up as the one in the movie.

It wasn't at all. The entire movie's theme was explained in the first 10 minutes during the story about the two families. The stupid family bred like bunnies while the smart family kept waiting for the right time to have children. The end result was that the smart family died childless and the dumb family had 17 kids.

#140 | Posted by kanrei at 2009

Im not sure that we are talking about the same movie

HEY DONNER..you think youre the smartest sunsbitch here...is kanrei talking about the one with luke wilson...

sorry you cant carry on a conversation without resorting to this nonsense

#141 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-07-01 03:16 PM self retorting retort

We are AFK...I own the DVD.

From IMDB-The premises of this movie - someone waking up several hundred years in the future and finding that people have gotten much stupider due to evolutionary pressure - was previously used in "The Marching Morons", a short story written in 1951 by C. M. Kornbluth

yes

It doesn't matter what any one persons opinion on this is,constitutionally speaking, we have to listen to the voters...which is what Barneys doing. 'Bout time.

We are AFK...I own the DVD.

www.imdb.com

#146 | Posted by kanrei at 2009

YOU owning the movie tells me all I need to know...LOL

#149 Bullshit. He proposes to inject the feds nose into state's business, against the intent of the constitution for state sovereignty over issues like this. Probably could do it on a broad interpretation of the commerce clause. To say he's doing what's right on a constitutional basis, though, shows you to be stoned.

and again...once more

you know good and well that the way they are all talking in there that they are talking like potheads and there has to be some kind of means they are using to show that
but...its not that important anyway........so dont have a hernia over it...

I would not buy it again, it was a "blind buy" based on word of mouth. Most of the time, my "blind buys" work out great, but not this one. And I love "Office Space" so I really had high hopes for this one.

"He proposes to inject the feds nose into state's business"

WTF are you talking about? Eliminating federal penalties for possession doesn't change state law.

It doesn't matter what any one persons opinion on this is,constitutionally speaking, we have to listen to the voters...which is what Barneys doing. 'Bout time.

#149 | Posted by severity777 at 2009

OH REALLY????????

there are a lot of people in california who dont agree with you on prop 8...
and many other issues

what you MEANT to say was that he has to listen to voters IF they are asking for some liberal issue to come forth....

no lib really believes that the voter should be listened to...if they did....they wouldnt have won what few elections they have in the past 20 or 30 years..

And I love "Office Space" so I really had high hopes for this one.

#153 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-07-01 03:33

I love office space...when he goes in and tells the efficency experts ...thats some funny stuff isnt it?

I wonder why it didnt do better at the box office?

Righties who do not support decriminalization do not understand what "conservatism" is all about. They talk "limited government," but every time someone actually talks of limiting it, they freak out.

Y'all needs to be making them Oxys legal so me and Al-Rushbo can get all snoogered on Jesus Juice and Oxys. Ain't no harms to getting all Oxy'ed up and watching the Fox Newz with the old lady and reloading ammunitions. Hellz dudes these Oxys ain't no worsens that smoking the weed. Al-Rushbo had him some great intellecting on the radio when he was on the Oxy and Jesuys Juice and he be a genius an he be right 145% of the time like no other dude.

Frank is a corrupt as any of the clowns currently in change of Washington D.C. could possibly be...he and Dodd are as guilty as sin when it comes to the financial melt down...BUT he is TOTALLY right on this one. Go Barney, you finally got one thing right!

Righties who do not support decriminalization do not understand what "conservatism" is all about. They talk "limited government," but every time someone actually talks of limiting it, they freak out.

#157 | Posted by kanrei at 2009

OKAY SO NOW you are making a real argument..unlike most here

and you are...SNIFF>..my protege...........I am ..so..sniff...proud.....

I don't see folks who argue against legalization of mary jane arguing for prohibition of alcohol. Apparently, AFKA and the rest believe I should be free to drink as much as I please even though booze is *way* more dangerous (it can kill you, it makes you feel over-confident, it removes all inhibitions, and it destroys your motor skills).

So what's up? If safety was Afka's (just as an example) primary concern, then surely he would be for prohibition of booze. I don't think many folks who oppose legalizing mary jane would seriously argue for prohibition of alcohol. Why? I'm guessing that they believe we have personal liberties and such. Why don't they think those liberties extend to far less dangerous substances that they don't, themselves, use? I have to conclude that it is stupidity, ignorance, fear, and a lack of a true dedication to upholding basic individual freedoms.

Your body and brain need oxygen to function so how is breathing a bunch of pot smoke gonna help. I'm for legalization of all drugs and I hope the crack smokers OD and the pot smokers get brain damage. It's pretty obvious that most of the lefties on DR are brain damaged pot smokers. Why don't you stupid fucks breath that crap in and see if you can hold it until you pass out.

Good argument, FWTHOM. I changed my mind. Keep that devilweed illegal!

Why don't you stupid fucks breath that crap in and see if you can hold it until you pass out.

Is that an insult? ...cause I know pot smokers don't think so.

"He proposes to inject the feds nose into state's business"
WTF are you talking about? Eliminating federal penalties for possession doesn't change state law."

If the legislation doesn't occupy the field, and lets states do what they want, I'm all for it.

P.S. - I challenge any person on this thread who opposes legalization to a chess match (maybe best 2 out of 3). I promise to be high while playing, and I bet I win.

#162 | Posted by fwthom at 2009-07-01 04:19 PM | Reply | Flag: This is your brain on STUPIDITY

Goat says:

Why would those who partake in Herb require more health care than anybody else?

they'd require less, they're better drivers, too.

FEDDYK:
A question to ponder:
According to a police officer, they frequently enter a home where the children are living in filth with little food or medical care with the parents stoned out of their minds.
If marijuana is decrinalized and cheaper and more available she thinks this will be even more common.
Agree or disagree and why?

i'm sorry, was i supposed to infer that people who are stoned on pot cannot parent?

moron cop drug warrior cheap propaganda.

"Was I supposed to infer people that get stoned on pot can't parent..."

I think you're supposed to understand that, provided you get stoned often enough, you can't parent.

The stories about entering drug-saturated homes where kids live in filth stacked literally three feet high---Quite true.

The unfortunate truth is that many people fall much more deeply in love with drugs than they do their own children.

"many people fall much more deeply in love with drugs than they do their own children."

Or their tv/house/material possessions, etc.

Or the country club/their mistress/their career, etc.

Or...

"The stories about entering drug-saturated homes where kids live in filth stacked literally three feet high---Quite true."

Usually from addiction to prescription drugs, never in my recollection have I ever know someone who just smoked pot to have a filthy home. Usually, they are better decorated that the folks I know who don't smoke pot.

Not sure about the can't parent thing, I smoke up and my kids are all in the top of their class, they come home to a clean house and have clothes. When money is tight pot is the first thing to go even though I use it primarily as medicine for MS.

Oh and pot making you stupid is complete crap. It does mess with your short-term memory but if you quit smoking for a few months that will come back. I took an IQ test on-line stoned and a similar one sober, I scored all of 5 points higher on the sober one and since they were different tests that is pretty much in the margin of error. Besides what is the dif between 137 and 142, not a whole heck of a lot they both mean I'm smarter than 98% of the world. :P

BL2 you complemented Kan's small gov argument but never answered it. Does that mean you have yet to reconcile your own feeling for a small government and the desire to control my life?

YES! Go Barney!

I would change laws so that marijuana could be legally used to treat symptoms of MS, among other diseases. No problem. Heroin for late stage cancer patients, among other changes.

I've lived long enough to see people stay stoned using marijuana for forty years. It's not pretty, but I confess there could be more than one thing going on with them, things I just don't know.

Anyone ever seen the newspaper stacking phenomenon? If you have, you know what I mean.

Possession here in Frank's home state is now a $100 fine and nothing more. You aren't arrested (for small amounts) and you simply have to mail in the ticket with no record of it.

Like gay marriage, it hasn't changed anything negatively.

I never understood why people who had small amounts of illegal drugs were treated more leniently than people who were moving truckloads. The users are what is driving the market. They are the problem. Drug dealers are merely business men.

I'm for legalization of all drugs, but if I was fighting the War on Drugs I would only arrest users and put them through forced rehab that would be hell on earth. Drug dealers would go free.

"You aren't arrested (for small amounts)"

Isn't that like jailing the beer truck driver, but letting the 6-pack guy skate?

I'm for legalization of all drugs, but if I was fighting the War on Drugs I would only arrest users and put them through forced rehab that would be hell on earth. Drug dealers would go free.

#180 | Posted by fwthom

Do the math, Einstein.

Unless you are going to pay for these 10s of thousands of petty offenders out of your no doubt huge personal fortune to cover the arrests and put them through this forced rehab, this is not quite feasible. But if your volunteering, shouldn't cost more than say $50,000 per perp when all is said and done. In advance then, Thank You Very Much.

Yup lets arrest all the petty users there are only 14 million or so at any given moment (5% of america). The private prison industry would love that what with 50-60% of Americans admiting to having smoked pot in their life (sorry I think those numbers are way low) the prision industry could be come the sole industry in America, 40% working in it 60% locked up in it.

newspaper stacking phenomenon? If you have, you know what I mean.

#178 | Posted by Zed

It's called hoarding, and it doesn't come from using ganja. You think the Collyer Brothers smoked marijuana?

"It's called hoarding..."

What I'm referring to is people for which nothing has changed in twenty years. The newspapers are just a visible indication of time warp. That could be ganja, or it could be some other drug.

Sorry. I just don't know any heavy dope smokers who do much, if anything. Why is that?

Why is that?

#185 | Posted by Zed

You evidently don't know the right ones. By the way, all ganja consumers are not heavy dope smokers. Like all drinkers are not heavy booze swillers.

I just don't know any heavy dope smokers who do much, if anything. Why is that?

#185 | Posted by Zed

Heavy drug users of any kind, including alkies, don't do much anything constructive.

Moderation in everything is the mantra.

You can die from drinking too much water!

Too much booze equates to alcohol poisoning.

Too much Herb, well, you won't be poisoned and die, but it can kill off motivation for a while.

So, what's your point? Because of the few who "abuse" a substance should make it illegal and unobtainable for all? If so, then you better start making a list, a long list, a really really long list of all the substances that are being "abused" right here right now, up to and including Wendy's triple Classic with cheese and bacon, or one of those Carl's Junior $6 burger monstrosities that give you enough calories to run a week without eating and enough LDL to take down a elephant. Talk about abusing one's colon, heart, and arteries!

"but it can kill off motivation for a while."

The exact opposite for me.

Depends for me.

Ordell Robbie: Goddamn girl, you gettin' high already? It's just 2 o'clock!

Melanie: [chuckling] It's that late?

Ordell Robbie: You know you smoke too much of that shit, that shit gonna rob you of your own ambition.

Melanie: Not if your ambition is to get high and watch TV...

"The exact opposite for me."

Same here, especially with sativas. If you have some boring chore to do, like clean out the garage, a bowl of sativa will almost make it fun.

BL2 you complemented Kan's small gov argument but never answered it. Does that mean you have yet to reconcile your own feeling for a small government and the desire to control my life?

#176 | Posted by TaoWarrior at 2009

it means that I think the poor bastard finnaly made a good point about the debate but I was unable because of time to respond..

I think that if the government can tell me that I have to use that damned seat belt or I have to pay them money then there are things that they can also do such as this. if the government were a nonentity completely, then I guess we would all have to start hunting pelts or mule skinners or something..
I was just congratulating him for something other than

"oh yeah..well I know I am but what are you?"

Now a heavy indica, on the other hand, gives the couchlock effect and reduces ambition to getting high and watching tv.

I still find it amazing that so many people are all excited about being LEGAL pot heads.......
of course since I have been as innocent as a newborn baby on these sort of issues, maybe I just dont understand the pleasure at being so sutpid...

"I just dont understand the pleasure at being so sutpid(sic) ..."

#193 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-07-02 11:47 AM | Reply | Flag: *headdesk*

P.S. - I challenge any person on this thread who opposes legalization to a chess match (maybe best 2 out of 3). I promise to be high while playing, and I bet I win.

#166 | POSTED BY JONO AT 2009-07-01 04:41 PM | REPLY | FLAG

You probably will. Your opponent will get tired of you sitting there, constantly saying "oh... sorry, is it my turn..." a give up.

"I highly doubt junior has any Purple Haze or White Widow secreted away in his t-shirt drawer.

#13 | Posted by dutch46"

Well then you'd be wrong. The highest quality seeds are easily available, and people who grow and sell pot for a living aren't going to pass up the valuable strains for schwag.

"Some of my finest hours have been spent sitting on my back veranda, smoking hemp and observing as far as my eye can see." - Thomas Jefferson

"Even if one takes every reefer madness allegation of the prohibitionists at face value, marijuana prohibition has done far more harm to far more people than marijuana ever could."
- William F. Buckley Jr.

"Make the most you can of the Indian Hemp seed and sow it everywhere."
- George Washington

"Forty million Americans smoked marijuana; the only ones who didn't like it were Judge Ginsberg, Clarence Thomas and Bill Clinton."
- Jay Leno

How about a game of Go Jono? Loser faces the ancient punishment.

"I give you every seed bearing plant and herb to use" - G-d

""I give you every seed bearing plant and herb to use" - G-d"

Hmmm. Who says the concept of God is useless? I'll think I'll hide my atheism when talking to prohibitionists on this issue. It's so much easier to just point at them and demand to know why they hate God's plants.

educes ambition to getting high and watching tv.

#192 | Posted by nullifidian

Does the TV do anything while you're watching it?

#200 | Posted by nullifidian

. . . To make marijuana against the law is like saying God made a mistake. You know what I mean? It's like God on the seventh day looked down on His creation and he said "There it is, My creation. Perfect and holy in all ways. Now I can rest - oh my Me! I left fucking pot everywhere. I should never have smoked that joint on the third day. Shit! Now I have to create Republicans."

Nothing like Usefull legislation!

get this piece of shit out of here!

#198 | POSTED BY FWTHOM AT 2009-07-02 12:00 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

I'd be glad to brush up on the rules of Go and have a match, FWTHOM. Again, I will be thoroughly high during play. I don't think I want to endure any 'ancient punishments' though.

Does the TV do anything while you're watching it?

No that's acid and shrooms.

BL2,

So because the government already has some dumb ass intrusive laws on the books that makes it ok to make more? Do you know how much you sound like a liberal defending Obama "Well but but Bush cranked up deficit spending first so it's ok for Obama to do more"

Whoa, BASHTHIS. Look at the thread. The posters who oppose legalization have yet to come up with a compelling reason to continue to prohibit me from smoking mary jane in the privacy of my home. Make an argument to support your point, fool, or crawl back in your hole.

I meant to say *try* to prohibit me. ;)
Sheep.

Whoa, BASHTHIS. Look at the thread. The posters who oppose legalization have yet to come up with a compelling reason to continue to prohibit me from smoking mary jane in the privacy of my home. Make an argument to support your point, fool, or crawl back in your hole.

Because there is NO good reason other than their circular logic of "Because it is Illegal!"

Educate yourself and you will finally see the truth!

"I enjoy smoking cannabis and see no harm in it".
- Jennifer Aniston

Wow. How can this drug be illegal with such a glowing endorsement from such a prominant citizen of the U.S. of A.?

Two words: gateway drug.
Two otherwords: never pass.

Keep breaking the law potheads! Keep doing it if it feels good!

Government bullshit propaganda. You're like an old lady. You need to get over your reefer madness syndrome, grandma.

"Here are some of the benefits of smoking pot:"

Ok.

"Keep breaking the law potheads! Keep doing it if it feels good!"

Keep being a sheep that who allows the state to dictate your use of medicinal plants.

Government bullshit propaganda.

Here, some others not from the govt. then:

Keep being a sheep that who allows the state to dictate your use of medicinal plants.

#212 | Posted by nullifidian

Bet your for govt. run healthcare though? You want to smoke pot and break the law, fine. Just do not try to justify and rationalize it with me. Any benefits are outweighed by the drawbacks. You need a drug to escape from real life, you need to see a doctor.

"You need a drug to escape from real life, you need to see a doctor."

I have one. She signed my cannabis prescription. Hahahahahaha.

Does anyone really think if they legalize it it will become LESS expensive? Whats a 8th cost out in Cali now adays? Once the FED GOV sinks its teeth in look for a dramatic price influx.

On a Side note. I would Like to see possesion and personal Cultivation decriminalized. Self Sufficiency should be embrassed as much as possible. But I would keep distrobution a crime/felony. Get caught smoking or just having it, nothing. Get caught selling it Busted. I mean come one it take NOTHING to grow your own.Lights, water, action. You could blay some music to them too, couldn't hurt. Might take you a couple of plants to get good but in one year of practice you will be giving the 2008 CC winner a run for his money.

Fuck medical marijuana. I want for the same reason I drink a beer after work SOME nights. To get HIGH duh.

at least I'm not bull-shitting anyone.

#214 | POSTED BY ELCIDCE90 AT 2009-07-02 01:54 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

"It's bad for you if you smoke it" isn't a compelling reason to fine me or throw me in jail if I do. What if I choose to eat it? Again, the safety patrollers posting here aren't advocating for prohibition of alcohol which kills more people every year than any other drug and terrorism put together. I reiterate how disingenuous it is to argue for the prohibition of one and not the other.

You want to smoke pot and break the law, fine.

and if it was not illegal? Would it still bother you that someone "out there" was having a bit of fun?

You need a drug to escape from real life, you need to see a doctor.

oh yeah and get a shelf loaded with Pharmaceuticals that have horrendous side effects right? Better to be a Zombie and support the Drug companies than "do it yourself" right?

Just do not try to justify and rationalize it with me. Any benefits are outweighed by the drawbacks.

yes...using logic and reason with you is a bit useless. Besides, you are funny as hell you as the curmudgeon you are!

ELCIDCE90, I just rationalized it to you. I'll await your response.

FF for Nully! whooooha!

Jono he said NOT to do that...

ELCIDCE90, I don't need to mention the fact that millions of Americans (who understand that they have fundamental freedoms, which makes them better Americans than you) are already smoking and eating mary jane as fast as they can *right now*. Are you suggesting our current health care problems have anything to do with mary jane? You might need to go back and read some expert opinions on the matter and get back to me, if that's the case.

about fucking time..make some coin for the US on taxes and reduce the prison spaces needed.

Grow up mrgoode - stop running to the pot to escape life.

#213 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

Questions: do you have a beer once in a while? A glass of wine with dinner? Maybe a shot or two at you fave watering hole?

Or do you not consume any alcohol at all, ever?

Just questions, don't get riled. Simple yesses and noes will do.

Does anyone really think if they legalize it it will become LESS expensive?

#216 | Posted by GotTruth

Probably. The market will down adjust the prices to the sudden exponential increase in open and legal competition. Once the legal market stabilizes, which I predict would be a few years as the public adapts and adjusts to this new line or product, prices will probably start to slide back up to "whatever the market will bear." Alcohol prices adjust up all the time, but that has not stopped the drunks nor the casuals from getting what they want/need.

Phillip-Morris and the other cigarette companies, are probably quietly lobbying behind the scenes to make full legalization happen: they need to have a product to transition to or go out of business, especially in light of the recent decision to regulate tobacco products through the FDA. The tobacco companies already have an infrastructure that will probably need little modification to start producing packaged doobage jsut as they produced packaged tobacco: filter, non-filter, loose, flavored, kings, 100s, soft pack and hard pack.

Can't wait...

I can't wait to see the facial expressions of relics like ranCid when pot is legalized.

Lighten up, grandpa! Your Reefer Madness is a fossil, just like you and your ideologies are becoming!

Maybe even some of the former beer drinking assholes will smoke pot instead of getting in drunk driving accidents, domestic disputes, fired from jobs, neglecting children, etc...

Still waiting to hear (from another thread, even) ranCid's thoughts on the virtues of alcoholism...

So, from the sum of the prohibitionist arguments is that we should legalize *eating* mary jane to make sure we don't get lung cancer when we all start using mary jane once it becomes legal/decriminalized. I guess a compromise is better than nothing. Seems like an absurd line to draw, though. ;)

Phillip-Morris and the other

No one knows how the market will change dope, growers, and users. Things will change, that's for sure, but I suspect it will take a long time for industry to catch up to the little guy when it comes to quality.

Smokers in this country smoke the swag of the tobacco plant. Something like 90% of all "top leaf" tobacco is exported, most of it to Turkey. Phillip Morris makes fags from the lower leaves, harvested early before the plants are completely mature. The equivalence is shipping off cola buds and selling us the popcorns from the lower branches. Who the fuck would pay for that when someone local is producing dank?

Also, (and I know industry will try to adapt) trimming and curing is hard to do on a massive scale. A qp will take a good trimmer 8-10 hours of hard werk. Then 2 weeks or so of personal attention, watching and smelling for mold. If one little bud has mold it will spread like wildfire; so in the drying/sweating/burping phase everything has to be broken down to small containers, no more than 20-30 grams per jar/bag. This shit is important. The difference between $5 gram weed and $15 gram weed is in the trim and cure. You can't just cut a plant, shred it and quickly dry it like tobacco. Everytime you touch it, move it, transfer it from a drying rack to a jar you loose kief, everything it contacts will pick up resin. This isn't something you can just shuffle down an assembly line.

I think after it all shakes out and the market settles small local growers will remain at the top of the food chain when it comes to quality. Pot smokers will always be the best pot producers.

#230 | Posted by r8rh8r

Good explanation. Some of these dunderheads think you can just plant a few seeds or clones in your garden and wait for harvest. Ergo, everyone will grow their own. That's probably not much more likely than people growing their own tobacco or brewing their own beer. They are going to end up buying quality product from a professional grower.

It is amazing how these Pot-smoking dolts on here know what type of weed is what, but can't tell you who actually wrote the Constitution, What is "the supreme law of the land" the names of the supreme court justices or the two senators from their state. Where is Luxembourg on a map? Do they still have "Civics" in high School or did they replace it with "Columbus was a murderer 101 " and 'Please be nice to Fags 101"

good grief, Stop smoking pot you idiots

I have nothing against pot smokers, but it is rather amusing to see them sit here and talk about all the different strains of marijuana they own/smoke. They sound like 8 year olds talking about baseball cards.

It is amazing how these Pot-smoking dolts on here know what type of weed is what, but can't tell you who actually wrote the Constitution....good grief, Stop smoking pot you idiots

#232 | Posted by HillBillyJihad at 2009-07-02 04:59 PM

jealous much?

And you probably think you live in a Democracy don't you?

I have nothing against pot smokers, but it is rather amusing to see them sit here and talk about all the different strains of marijuana they own/smoke. They sound like 8 year olds talking about baseball cards.

#233 | Posted by JOE at 2009-07-02 05:06 PM | Reply | Flag: Can only score dirt weed

"but it is rather amusing to see them sit here and talk about all the different strains of marijuana they own/smoke."

But so much more enjoyable to discuss which brand of beer, or scotch, or vodka, etc. is preferred.

#235 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-07-02 05:11 PM | Reply | Flag: Has a Marc Emery Rookie Card

#233 | Posted by JOE at 2009-07-02 05:06 PM | Reply | Flag: has no idea what "A 14 Billion Dollar Industry" means

"They sound like 8 year olds talking about baseball cards.

#233 | Posted by JOE

Or certain Drudge Retorters discussing different brews of beer. Like yourself.

Danni beat me to it. I clearly recall Joe blathering about brands of beer I never heard of on numerous occasions.

"has no idea what "A 14 Billion Dollar Industry" means"

What have I said that would lead you to believe that?

I want to address this 'gateway drug' business. Prohibitionists: explain to me how mary jane is fundamentally different than any other drug with respect to serving as a gateway to harder drugs? Are you arguing that when kids try mary jane they realize they were lied to as to its dangers and are then emboldened to try other drugs? How are alcohol and cigarettes not gateway drugs? They're more readily available and kids usually try them first, yes? Finally, a statistical relationship between mary jane usage and usage of harder drugs does *not* indicate a causal relationship. This thread is probably dead, but I would be delighted if someone who opposes legalization of mary jane could explain some of this to me.

#232 | Posted by HillBillyJihad

It is amazing how these alcohol-swilling/bible-
thumping/intellectually square/etc dolts on here know what type of brewing method or bible verse is what, but can't tell you who actually wrote the Constitution, What is "the supreme law of the land" the names of the supreme court justices or the two senators from their state. Where is Luxembourg on a map? Do they still have "Civics" in high School or did they replace it with "Getting Laid at Friday Nite Football 101 " and 'Kicking Shit out of Fags 101"

FTFY.

#239 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-07-02 05:15 PM

Good point. For some reason it just seems more childish to hear people talk about "bubbleberry" than some strong belgian ale. Maybe it's because I only smoked pot when I was a kid and therefore associate it with childishness.

HILLBILLYJIHAD - read the thread. Prohibitionists failed to post any contemplative arguments whatsoever. You chime in and supply a 'dope smokers are stupid' statement in place of an argument.

The 'potheads' on the other hand have, for the most part, posted a well considered, convincing defense of their position.

Which group has a higher percentage of fools, based on the posts in this thread?

That's OK Joe, no offence taken.

I only drank beer in college and therefore associate it lightweight co-eds, vomiting, and horrendous headaches.

What have I said that would lead you to believe that?

In any billion dollar industry you will always have adoring fans that become collectors, specialists and aficionados. That you seemed to think that pot smokers would be any different tells me you have no idea how big an industry it has become. btw that "14 billion" is for California alone. A year.

Marijuana Prohibition is a fools game especially with how much money involved and the economy the way it is right now.

Look back in history just a wee bit and you will see how and why alcohol prohibition ended in 1933. You will find amazing parallels to today.

" people talk about "bubbleberry" than some strong belgian ale."

True, the names of some strains are very whimsical and produce that kind of reaction. But cannabis connoisseurs wanted to have as much fun as wine snobs and beer snobs. And in fact, there are big differences, especially in taste, aroma, flavor, smoothness; factors which become more important to consumers as availability becomes easier and less problematic legally.

That last post was for Joe...

"In any billion dollar industry you will always have adoring fans that become collectors, specialists and aficionados."

Well now you're just talking out of your ass. How about the paper production industry? Who are the collectors and what do they collect? Do they get excited about a new type of pulp? Even if paper dorks did exist, why would someone be out of line to make fun of them?

oh I forgot to mention... That was 14 Billion dollars a year TAX FREE.

BTW, Bonerboy, there's no need to start preaching to me about prohibition. I've long been in favor of legalizing marijuana and all other drugs.

next...

And as I said, "Even if paper dorks did exist, why would someone be out of line to make fun of them?"

go ahead make fun of "them" they think you are funny too!

btw-

all this take about marijuana makes me wanna get high!

Happy 4th of July ya'll

It's time for some REAL fireworks!

They sound like 8 year olds talking about baseball cards.

It is amazing how these Pot-smoking dolts on here know what type of weed is what

It isn't that amazing, they print the name right there on the bag, in English and everything.

Just wondering, how do you two brainiaic 'grown-ups' propose we differentiate between totally different types of cannabis? Would a number system work better for you, maybe sanskrit, or cuneiform? How about color-coded, is that less "childish"?

As if "Boston Lager Amber Pale Wheat Ale" is soooo sophisticated and chic.

"In fact California should plant even more pot and start exporting..."

Um, where do you live, in a cave?

Can you say "Duh?"

""In fact California should plant even more pot and start exporting..."

Good idea for everyone to consider who's been hit by the bad economy. Come to California and grow pot! (unless you're an rtard). You can get seeds and clones at hundreds of dispensaries, and with a prescription you can have 12 plants and 8 oz's dried to start, and if you start supplying the shops, much more. Just grow, baby, grow.

#258 | Posted by r8rh8r at 2009-07-02 05:55 PM

For someone who said "no offense taken," you sure seem offended. Sorry guy! Go smoke some Hubba Bubba!

. Just grow, baby, grow.

#260 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-07-02 06:19 PM

I bet you even have your own "special" garden, Nulli.

I ought to drive up and watch some fireworks with you on the 4th -- we'd have a high ol' time. lol

Regarding the legalization, I would like to see the president say "Well, let's just try it for a year and see what happens".

That sort of approach seems rational and within reason of most level-headed Americans.

"Go smoke some Hubba Bubba!"

Haven't come across that strain locally, Joe. What are the genetics? Indica? Sativa? Hybrid? Sounds good. I had some tasty Platinum Bubba recently, but no Hubba.

"So what's your point...?"

My point is that people that love a drug never see what it can, and will, do to them. Addicts always see themselves as mere afficiandos. Afficiandos and addicts together are among the most smug and arrogant people there are.

I'm not a prohibitionist, but I can see why someone who isn't interested in reading all my posts can state that.

I'm simply stating a truth, that "moderation" is a very worthy goal, but when it comes to drugs and alcohol very few people do that.

#265 | Posted by Zed at 2009-07-02 06:46 PM | Reply | Flag: addicted to imagining he has an imaginary friend

"Die Religion ... ist das Opium des Volkes"
~Marx

"How an elephant got into my pajamas, I'll never know..."

-Marx

#264 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-07-02 06:44 PM

Can't say I know the details, but I have heard of it. It's been a while since I associated with that part of our culture.

Zed,

Actualy pot smokers who are concerned with the details are not likely to be your sterotypical stoner. For one thing your talking serious cash for another if you care about quality, taste, smell and smoothness you are not going to just go huffing everything in sight.

Personaly I have 2 criteria for smoking pot, I will never smoke anything but kind or better (we don't get the selection here that null has but still have some choices) and I only smoke when I have the spare cash on hand. So if I have the cash I go looking if all I can find is "dirt" weed I don't smoke. If I find some awesome high grade bud and don't have the cash I don't smoke. For the most part that means I don't smoke. However when I do I enjoy it every bit as much as a scotch drinker enjoys a drink of a great scotch.

"Here's a picture of a German strain of Hubba Bubba, crossed with some crazy cherry: magdahalus.files.wordpress.com
"

Well shit, I knew Joe was just blowing smoke. And dirt weed at that.

No one knows how the market will change dope, growers, and users. Things will change, that's for sure, but I suspect it will take a long time for industry to catch up to the little guy when it comes to quality.

#230 | Posted by r8rh8r

I can guarantee y'a that the tobacco companies have already studied this transition in great detail and have plans in place and processes ready to implement. They will not be caught with their knickers around their ankles on this. It will be an explosive new industry.

Just as there are micro-breweries, craft breweries, small and large vineyards, and the megaproducers, the tobacco companies will have their large piece of the production and sales pie.