Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Tuesday, June 30, 2009

A Kansas-based church has won a fight to continue holding antigay protests in Missouri near funerals of American troops killed overseas. The US Supreme Court on Monday declined to take up an appeal that sought the enforcement of a Missouri law regulating protests at funerals.

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nutcase Fred Phelps may proceed, rather the state may not.

but soon Fred, soon, god willing.

personally, like i've changed on some forms of gun control, i have been thinking long about changing my attitude [even farther in favor or prohibiting] certain expressions of hate speech.

is tolerance malleable?

or = of

thank God for the patriot guards!

So organize a gay pride parade in front of that sicko-congregation every Sunday during their services. The same logic applies, right?
C'mon you raging sodomites! Be of use to your (unusually friendly and inappropriately familiar) Uncle Sam.

What would have happened during WWII if such an outrage had been perpetrated? The local folks would have used baseball bats and other implements on these people, destroyed their vehicles, and who knows what else, and local law enforcement would have turned a blind eye to what happened or have joined in. We have become a nation of Milquetoasts, who cannot be dissed because we have no self-esteem. Maybe some aspects of "ghetto attitude" have bases to recommend them.

What has happened to good old American vigilantiism?

What has happened to good old American vigilantiism?

Yeah,I'd like to string you after reading some of your diatribes

String you up

Johnson, you are right. All that would have happened during WWII had the same outrage been done. But you forget some things about that era: the newspapers would have ignored it, the civil courts would not have seen any lawsuits and the police would, to this day, strongly assert they were investigating.

Yeah,I'd like to string you after reading some of your diatribes

#7 | Posted by bruceaz

Johnson would look absolutely fabulous in a noose.

C'mon, gays! I am serious. If it is okay for these creeps to rant outside a solemn funeral, it is okay for you to demonstrate electro-torture during sadistic sodomy (in the urbane sense of sadistic) and let them KNOW (in the biblical sense) what they do to the sensibilities of others when they violate sacred events.
Step up, serve your damned country and start acting like fucked up, unreconstructed and patriotic rabble rather than begging for imaginary rights. I really am on your side with this if y'all sissy boys and butch ma'ams do it.

"rather than begging for imaginary rights."

What a POS. Can you name one single right gays want that my wife and I don't get to take for granted?

I agreee with their right to protest, I just think it is in very bad taste.

These people are sick and they pervert the faith they claim to represent.

You know, Danforth (and others), you can make your points without the POS stuff. Anyone who disagrees with you is a POS?

"Anyone who disagrees with you is a POS?"

Rights that you get to take for granted yet want to deny others are imaginary?

Don't want to be a POS? Don't take a POS position.

As I have said before, Danforth, marriage is not a right or we would not need permits to do it. And to remind you, I have only one stand on all these moral hotbutton issues that get frail minds angry and ranting: let the states decide. I'll deal with my state and you with yours.
I know you are sorry I don't namecall back at you, but someone here will fall for that act. Just keep trying.

"marriage is not a right"

SC disagrees with you.

"...not a right or we would not need permits to do it"

Too funny. Tell that to the 2nd Amendment.

"let the states decide."

Like we should have let Alabama decide which rights were "granted" to the blacks? No thanks.

"Just keep trying"

Gladly: have you uncovered any rights yet that gays want that my wife and I don't already get, or are you afraid to address the question?

They want protected class status, Danforth, and that is obvious.

"They want protected class status, Danforth, and that is obvious."

From what? Being singled out for hate crimes? Sorry, try again.


thank God for the patriot guards!

#3 | Posted by nanc


I have to agree with Nanc on this one. I'm glad that there are people out there willing to step up against those hate-spewing bastards. Fred Phelps deserve a major beating and I wish we could a give lead pipe to family members at every funeral he's protested to administer it. Sadly he is protected by the law of the land which protects us all.

Sadly he is protected by the law of the land which protects us all.


Nothing sad about that at all. If something as extreme as Phelps is protected, I know anything I can say is going to be.


So organize a gay pride parade in front of that sicko-congregation every Sunday during their services.
......#4 | Posted by Diablo

......great idea .......to add to it......

.....gays dressed outragously should attend his church services every Sunday......

......singing show tunes during the service.......

#22 | Posted by kanrei

Good point. It just sucks that in order to be protected you can't make exceptions even if the people deserve.

If something as extreme as Phelps is protected, I know anything I can say is going to be.

The only remedy at this point has been in civil court regarding defamation. Phelps lost a civil trial where the plaintiffs were awarded a large sum of money. It's in the appeal state and will take some time to sort out.

I wish they could hurry that up so there would some financial remedy for this dickface.

The problem with Phelps is that we have forgotten the logicaly neccesary but unwritten addendum to Free Speach. You are free to say whatever you want and if it offends me I am free to punch you in the snout.

Instead I would get jail time for punching you in the snout no matter that you were protesting at my dad's funeral. (theory here he did not protest at my dad's funeral or I would be in jail not posting on a blog)

.....gays dressed outragously should attend his church services every Sunday......

......singing show tunes during the service.......

#23 | Posted by skizziks

Well, he's and some of his "congregants" have shown up in my church, so I think turnabout is fair play.

#17 | POSTED BY DIABLO AT 2009-06-30 11:37 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Diablo, why not let individuals decide?

If I were a soldier, I'd have it in my will that those in attendance at my funeral, should I be KIA, they should bring eggs and throwable bags of dogshit and maybe if anyone has buddies in the fire dept., have them bring a truck with a couple of hoses to spray down religious nutjob whacko protesters. And they should play Elton John, Pet Shop Boys, and George Michael's music, really loudly in the direction of the idiot protesters.

#10 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-06-30 02:04 AM

Johnson would look absolutely fabulous in a noose.

Is the "fabulous" insertion your subtle way of declaring your sexual identity, null?

I totally agree with the posters here who say that payback should come in the form of doing unto Phelps what Phelps has done unto others. Phelps' Westboro Baptist should be covered up with drag queens, guys in buttless leather pants, those fake Sisters of Mercy from San Francisco, and a bunch of post-op trannies flaunting their new boobs and vah-jay-jays.

Any chants from the Phelps faction should be drowned out by sound trucks blasting Judy Garland's Live at the Palace album, or the Village People singing "Y.M.C.A."

"Officer, nobody laid a glove on the old bastard. He took one look at Heklina and Lypsinka and died of a stroke!"

From the link--


A federal judge refused to block enforcement of the law. But a three-judge panel of the Eighth US Circuit Court of Appeals reversed. The appeals court said the government had no compelling interest in protecting individuals from hearing unwanted speech in public areas such as outside a church or at a cemetery.

The panel quoted a 1999 Eighth Circuit decision: "We recognize that lines have to be drawn, and we choose to draw the line in such a way as to give the maximum possible protection to speech, which is protected by the express words of the Constitution."

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So why is this not the rule when folks are protesting out in front of abortion clinics?

They have a 100 foot zone of "protection" given by the courts.


----

The SCOTUS was very restrained in this case, but siding with free speech--no matter how offensive.

......Hey Drudgies.......

....I sent the following e-mail to a local gay association in Topeka, Kansas through the Out-In-America web-site........hope they follow up on this suggestion.........skiz.....

This is a request to the gay community of Topeka. The Westboro Baptist Church members (Fred Phelps) have been disrupting armed forces funerals with hateful invective, as I am certain that you are aware. Would you please put out the suggestion to the gay community of Topeka, that they should attend the Rev Phelps services, dress outragously, and bring signs signifying the gay communities love of Rev Phelps. Singing show-tunes during the sermon would be appropriate, as it seems the Supreme Court now has decided to protect even Rev Phelps pronouncements. Thanks for considering the suggestion.

....In that case I ought to take out huge insurance policies on those people.......

Skizziks:

A step in the right direction, for sure.

P.S.: Does anyone else here note the irony of having Johnson chime in on this thread?

You are free to say whatever you want and if it offends me I am free to punch you in the snout.


Instead I would get jail time for punching you in the snout

One is word and the other is action. You are perfectly free to counter protest Phelps.

I disagree with the lower court's ruling, and it's a shame the SC didn't take this one up. To say that "the government has no compelling interest in protecting individuals from hearing unwanted speech in public areas such as outside a church or at a cemetery" is somewhat odd. In my mind, the place the speech is occurring should only be part of the analysis, with another element being the surrounding circumstances (in this case the funeral of a dead soldier). The speech is not occurring in a vacuum outside the cemetery, it is being thrust into the eyes and ears of those attending the funeral. I'd argue that the state has a compelling interest in preventing the sort of psychological and emotional harm that most likely results from such speech.

You can say that God kills soldiers because he hates gay people anywhere you want. To do it outside a funeral is insulting, degrading and unnecessary. The fact that those with opposing views have the right to act just as obnoxiously does not change my analysis.

It could be argued the message combined with the location is designed for no other purpose than to cause emotional distress to the families and I am sure it was argued, so I wonder on what grounds they decided this.

#33 | Posted by skizziks

You'll have to let us know if you hear anything back.

"I wonder on what grounds they decided this."

I just pulled up the opinion, I will post some relevant and interesting portions of it.

Peaceful picketing is an expressive activity protected by the First Amendment. Olmer v. Lincoln, 192 F.3d 1176, 1179 (8th Cir.1999). It is well-settled law that a "loss of First Amendment freedoms, for even minimal periods of time, unquestionably constitutes irreparable injury." Elrod v. Burns, 427 U.S. 347, 373, 96 S.Ct. 2673, 49 L.Ed.2d 547 (1976) (plurality). If Phelps-Roper can establish a sufficient likelihood of success on the merits of her First Amendment claim, she will also have established irreparable harm as the result of the deprivation. See Marcus v. Iowa Pub. Television, 97 F.3d 1137, 1140-41 (8th Cir.1996); Kirkeby, 52 F.3d at 775. Likewise, the determination of where the public interest lies also is dependent on the determination of the likelihood of success on the merits of the First Amendment challenge because it is always in the public interest to protect constitutional rights. Connection Distrib. Co. v. Reno, 154 F.3d 281, 288 (6th Cir.1998) (quotation omitted); Kirkeby, 52 F.3d at 775 (citing Frisby v. Schultz, 487 U.S. 474, 479, 108 S.Ct. 2495, 101 L.Ed.2d 420 (1988)). The balance of equities, too, generally favors the constitutionally-protected freedom of expression.

Kan,

Yeah thats the conventional thinking today however I don't buy it.

Fact is every action has an equal and oposite reaction. You go to a soldiers funeral and spout hate you deserve a reaction. Frankly I would love to see a test case where a mourner did in fact punch ol' Fred in the nose. I am betting that he would get off, and if he did I promise you this sort of stuff would stop pretty quickly as it would open more mourners to react in an entirely apropriate manner, and yes I am saying punching a hateful bastard in the nose is appropriate when it is your family members funeral he is being hateful at.

Is the "fabulous" insertion your subtle way of declaring your sexual identity, null?

Worked for Dubya. One of his favorite words, and one of the few multi-syllable ones he could pronounce.

I am still glad this was decided the way it was simply due to my reasons in post #22

(The statute criminalizing funeral protests) regulates traditional public fora. A traditional public forum is one traditionally used as a forum for expression, such as a public street or a sidewalk. Boos v. Barry, 485 U.S. 312, 318, 108 S.Ct. 1157, 99 L.Ed.2d 333 (1988); Olmer, 192 F.3d at 1179. While we recognize a cemetery is a nonpublic forum,FN4 section 578.501 restricts expressive activity not just within or on the premises of a cemetery or a church, but also on traditional public fora such as the adjacent public streets and sidewalks. The statute must therefore satisfy the standard of review for traditional public fora.

A content-neutral time, place and manner regulation may be imposed in a public forum if it: (1) serves a significant government interest; (2) is narrowly tailored; and (3) leaves open ample alternative channels of communication.

The district court found the state has a significant interest in preserving and protecting the sanctity and dignity of memorial and funeral services, as well as protecting the privacy of family and friends of the deceased during a time of mourning and distress. Phelps-Roper v. Nixon, 504 F.Supp.2d 691, 696 (W.D.Mo.2007). The Supreme Court has not addressed this issue, but has recognized the state's interest in protecting citizens from unwanted communications while in their homes, Frisby, 487 U.S. at 482, 108 S.Ct. 2495, and when otherwise "captive," Madsen v. Women's Health Ctr., 512 U.S. 753, 768, 114 S.Ct. 2516, 129 L.Ed.2d 593 (1994). One other circuit court, which recently analyzed the constitutionality of similar funeral protest statutes, has extended Frisby and acknowledged the state has an interest in protecting mourners, which were found to be a captive audience, from unwanted speech during a burial or funeral. See Phelps-Roper v. Strickland, 539 F.3d 356, 362-67 (6th Cir.2008) (finding the state *692 interest was significant); McQueary v. Stumbo, 453 F.Supp.2d 975, 992 (E.D.Ky.2006) (assuming, without finding, for the purpose of preliminary injunction, the state has an interest in protecting funeral attendees from unwanted communications so obtrusive they are impractical to avoid).

We note our own opinion in Olmer v. Lincoln, 192 F.3d 1176, 1178 (8th Cir.1999), which affirmed a preliminary injunction enjoining the enforcement of an ordinance that "restrict[ed] to certain areas the focused picketing' of churches and other religious premises thirty minutes before, during, and thirty minutes after any scheduled religious activity" because it violated the First Amendment. In Olmer, we held the government has no compelling interest in protecting an individual from unwanted speech outside of the residential context. Id. at 1182 (refusing to allow other locations, even churches, to claim the same level of constitutionally protected privacy afforded to the home by Frisby ). We stated:

As the Supreme Court said in Frisby, the home is different,' and, in our view, unique. Allowing other locations, even churches, to claim the same level of constitutionally protected privacy would, we think, permit government to prohibit too much speech and other communication. We recognize that lines have to be drawn, and we choose to draw the line in such a way as to give the maximum possible protection to speech, which is protected by the express words of the Constitution.

Id. (citation omitted). Because of our holding in Olmer, we conclude Phelps-Roper is likely to prove any interest the state has in protecting funeral mourners from unwanted speech is outweighed by the First Amendment right to free speech.

I am saying punching a hateful bastard in the nose is appropriate when it is your family members funeral he is being hateful at.

I agree which is why emotion must never enter these discussions IMHO. Emotion tends to block reason.

Should the death penalty be applied to rape cases?

Me: no

What if it was your mother?

Me: the guy would never make trial.


Emotion blocks reason.

Couldn't the same be said of those protesting outside of abortion clinics with signs of aborted fetuses screaming Whore and such?

Kan,

Thats why I would love a test case where a mourner did punch him. I couldn't walk up and punch him as that would be assult however the mourner would probably get off as not being in a right frame of mind at the time or some such.

The fact is Phelps is exploiting an emotional time for family members and so emotion does enter the argument but not by mine or the soldiers families choice but by Phelps's choice.

leaves open ample alternative channels of communication.

Not sure how say Phelps can't be on the street in front of a cemetary does not leave open ample alternative channels of communications. He can stand on any other street corner and say the same thing.

So organize a gay pride parade in front of that sicko-congregation every Sunday during their services. The same logic applies, right?
C'mon you raging sodomites! Be of use to your (unusually friendly and inappropriately familiar) Uncle Sam.

#4 | Posted by Diablo at 2009-06-30 12:03 AM |

Great idea Diablo, you should join the parade. 99% of Americans think Phelps is a extremist fool and a Christian in name only. So your parade will label the gay community as extremist and as hate filled as the Phelps goon.

"Not sure how say Phelps can't be on the street in front of a cemetary does not leave open ample alternative channels of communications. He can stand on any other street corner and say the same thing."

I agree, however, it does not appear that the court ruled based on that element of the analysis. They seemed more focused on whether there was a compelling government interest in protecting an individual from speech outside of their residence. I disagree with their decision in that regard.

You'll have to let us know if you hear anything back.

#40 | Posted by astrobuckeye

........will do.......

"I agree which is why emotion must never enter these discussions IMHO. Emotion tends to block reason."

I don't think its unreasonable to beat these bastards badly if they are tormenting you during a loved one's funeral.

A proper ass-kicking the first time they pulled this nonsense could have saved a bunch of others alot of needless grief.

The notion that violence is never a "reasonable" course of action is based on popular assumptions that have no basis in reality.

As it should be. But that doesn't stop us from using OUR 1st Ammendment rights to counter them and their message.

TW: Frankly I would love to see a test case where a mourner did in fact punch ol' Fred in the nose. I am betting that he would get off,

i think our best response here is fija.org"fija.org/a">informed juries.

potential jurors: the judge is there to run an orderly courtroom, NOT to to tell you how you must vote. YOU are the trier of both fact and defendant. YOU have the RIGHT t0 vote your CONSCIENCE.

if you PERSONALLY do not agree, acquit.

for example, all drug charges should be denied.

as someone said, there are(?) some civil suits taking place, good.

also, i do not believe in eye for an eye. we lead by example, only.

Again I will ask. How is this groups behavoir any different than those protesting in front of abortion clinics with signs of aborted fetuses screaming Whore to those entering the clinic.
And to Toa, wondering what would happen if a mourner punched Phelps. I'll answer with a question. What would happen if a husband taking his wife to a clinic, for whatever reason, known to administer abortions, punches an abortion protester who called his troubled/ possibly sick wife a whore and a murderer?
Astro, do you see any irony in patitioning the gay community to rise up against a group disrespecting military personnel? Though I sure even though the military doesn't want or respect homosexuals, the homosexuals community would probably be empathetic to what the families of the soldier have gone through.

"Again I will ask. How is this groups behavoir any different than those protesting in front of abortion clinics with signs of aborted fetuses screaming Whore to those entering the clinic. "

Your question makes no sense unless those protesting in front of abortion clinics have been stopped from doing so. Have they?

"they should attend the Rev Phelps services, dress outragously, and bring signs signifying the gay communities love of Rev Phelps. Singing show-tunes during the sermon would be appropriate"

I sure you meant well. But you could have said "Can you please perpetuate the stereotypes I have limited you to. We know how all you gays love showtunes. Maybe you could bring some young boys with you. But whatever you think is best. Sincerely."

Joe,
simply drawing a comparison. While I condemn Phelps tactics of free speech, I also feel the same way about tactics of some pro-lifers. Some don't see both sides of the coin.

I'd argue that the state has a compelling interest in preventing the sort of psychological and emotional harm that most likely results from such speech.


And who gets to approve what speech is acceptable and is unacceptable?

Free speech is sometimes uncomfortable.

But once you start letting the state regulate what can be said where with no imminent threat of injury or death, then you start heading toward totalitarianism.

It used to be that privacy was guaranteed, with celebrities enjoying less of it than the average Joe. The right to privacy is being eroded, one Court ruling at a time.

Lets not forget that GOD sent a bolt of lightening down apon the gold leafed angel Moroni atop a newly constructed Mormon Temple, blackening the craven image. The clear message is GOD despises those who condemn homosexuality.

I have interviewed Shirley Phelps-Roper, she was really wacked, but I let her own words hang her.

I have also had far too much email contact with WBC whilst trying to set up the interviews. Very creepy stuff.

I also interviewed Sean Summers, the atty that got the judgment on behalf of the family of the Marine at whose funeral WBC showed up.

IMO WBC does have 1st ammendment rights, but so do we. We can counter demonstrate, put on street theatre to distract from WBC. Shout them down with our own 1st ammendment rights. Shadow them. Never let them show up and protest without a counterprotest.

That being said, they are vile, disgusting human beings. I felt the need to take more showers than usual during my dealings with them.

"So organize a gay pride parade in front of that sicko-congregation every Sunday during their services.
......#4 | Posted by Diablo

......great idea .......to add to it......

.....gays dressed outragously should attend his church services every Sunday......

......singing show tunes during the service.......

#23 | Posted by skizziks at 2009-06-30 12:44 PM"

Many states have laws preventing people from disrupting religious services. Usually, the preacher or the congregation decides what is "disrupting." Keep the protests outside, on the front walkway, and you won't get in trouble.

Many states have laws preventing people from disrupting religious services. Usually, the preacher or the congregation decides what is "disrupting." Keep the protests outside, on the front walkway, and you won't get in trouble.

#65 | Posted by john47 at 2009-06-30 06:41 PM |

yes that will prove your point. What is your point? If it to give publicity to Phelps and his sheep, your idea will work.

thank God for the patriot guards!

Are those the bikers who escort the funeral processions? If so, I'm with you, Nanc.

I'm not generally a fan of vigilante justice, but Gotham has its filth and sometimes we need a Batman to deal with it. Phelps is as obnoxious as the Klan.

Skizziks, true. But I find funerals so personal, not public, they should be afforded a wide, wide, wide berth. If those are not sacred in the interpretation of law, how can a religious congregation be sacred?
Of course my above suggestions were meant to be humor. But since these people chant "God hates fags" I guess the fags now have standing in the healthy exchange of ideas in a Democratic forum.
Hairy tit for tat.
And lest anyone say "But diablo hates fags, too!", I do not. I just hate their insistence I have to accept their behavior as normal. It is not. My smoking Marlboros is not deemed normal. Is there a double standard?

Zombie, I know you hate the Klan but be fair. That was a low blow.

The thing about Phelps and the gang is tha they are despised by so many on both sides of the aisle.

They protest fallen soldiers funerals claiming they died for a nation that supports gays.

I still can't wrap my head around that and I don't think most people (regardless of political views) can either.

Johnson would look absolutely fabulous in a noose.

#10 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009

free speech?

oops..not if johnson were black ...

and isnt there supposed to be some sort of filter here to erase wishes of violence against a poster..

that free speech can be a bitch cant it?
must be nice for the left to have the double standard and judges to see that only the right is prohibited in it

As a veteran I do not thank GOD for dead soldiers and as a christian I wonder what book these people are reading. Maybe that is the problem, they should read it and decide for themselves. These people sicken me.

Church members near military funerals have displayed signs proclaiming: "Thank God for Dead Soldiers" and "God Blew Up the Troops."

WTF?!? What does a soldier dying for your right to protest ANYTHING have to do with gays?
These people are sick!! I agree with their right to have an anti-war or anti-gay or anti-anything opinion, but this is nuts.
They should be thanking GOD that we have people in this country that will got to war for their rights to make asses of themselves.
I saw a pic on the news last night about this story and there were 2 teenage girls holding these types of sings, what the fuck kind of parent teaches their kid that this is ok?
Hate the gays, hate the war, whatever... JUST REMEMBER WHY YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THIS... the dead soldiers and the "blew up troops"!!!! These people are SICK!!! (yeah I know I said that twice)

So now we wait until someday somewhere someone is in such grief that they lose their mind on these idiots. I know that I would probably do something I might later regret if they pulled this shit near me and I was unhinged by the loss of someone I loved dearly.

Freedom of speech is very important but laws are there to protect everyone and keep us safe so that we may ALL pursue Happiness. Those protests could be done in a more respectful manner and still get the "free speech" out there. Messing with folks when they are already a bit unstable is not good thinking.

Kinda brings to mind Murphy's Law. What can happen will happen.

So now we wait. It will happen someday. Then it will be in the courts again.

Let me get this straight:
The dead soldiers aren't gay.
The grieving parents, family, and friends aren't gay.
Phelps and his sheep are holding anti-gay rallies at the funerals!?!?
They violate the solemnity of a funeral to protest something that has no relationship whatsoever to the funeral?

What brand of Christianity is this?
Why could they not just go handle vipers?
This Phelps guy is a Jim Jones type.

I can just imagine Christ returning during one of these protests.
WWJD?

He'd offer comfort to the family and friends, bless the fallen, and then unleash some serious hellfire on the protesters.

One can only hope.

Many states have laws preventing people from disrupting religious services.

#65 | Posted by john47

.......a funeral can be a religious service.......

......the Supreme Court is allowing Phelps to disrupt them.......

My smoking Marlboros is not deemed normal. ..
#68 | Posted by Diablo

......were you born smoking Marlboros coming out of your mother's womb ?.......

......gays can no more choose being gay than left handers can choose being left handed.....just ask any stout Republican, they'll tell you.....like Mary Cheney, Ted Haggard, Jeff Gannon (and his boyfriend George Bush)and on and on.........

they should be arrested just on the basis of being rude....of course if that were the case, we would be able to have a retort reunion in most jails around the country

Seems to be a lot of anger on this thread (which I agree with). Yet the call to negate the Phelps clan's hatred is directed towards the gay community? Suddenly, now seeing Vaginal Cream Davis parading in public is wanted? Protester, carry thy placard thyself. Why is it that people who don't want to recognize gays as normal people suddenly want them to start doing normal people things. How great it would be to see 100,000 PEOPLE surrounding these butt-nuggets at their next protest; heart attack city for that family. The irony of ironies is everyone wants the gays to strike back in support of an instituion that doesn't want them anyway.

Phelps came to SIUC while I was a student when Mathew Shepperds mother came to speak. THis fucker was STANDING on a American Flag with his bullhorn. Total piece of shit without a shred of remorse. Any negative action done unto him is of his own invitation.

One of my favorite clips:
www.youtube.com

Resident DR Gay chiming in:

These nutsacks were at my first marriage cerimony in S.F. 2003. Rolling around the courthouse in hick-trucks with signs and bullhorns shouting disgusting things. They stood on the steps screaming at us and other couples as we came out of the City Hall, with our joyous families and friends.

Was it appropriate? No. Was it rude? Yes. Did I want the city to do something about it?

No.

The constiution is the constitution. Phelps and his Phreaks had as much right to protest as I had to get
married on that day.

Ironically, when my husband and I remarryied last summer in California, there were NO protesters outside the city hall. None.

The lesson is, kids, once a legal right has been established in this country (state), the nutsacks dissappear. It's because they think they still have a legal right to deny others and so they act. Take the issue away from them and bye-bye Phelps...

Now, on to the awards cerimony;

"...I just hate their insistence I have to accept their behavior as normal. It is not. My smoking Marlboros is not deemed normal. Is there a double standard...#68 | Posted by Diablo"

No one is forcing you to accept 'behavior'. I don't like it that you go down on your girlfriend/wife. I'm not passing judgement on you...even if it makes me ill to even think about it.

We are however, as a constitutionally driven nation, forcing you to behave yourself in public when it comes to respecting other's right to live their lives without threat from your misguided ignorance.

And with that, you have won today's DR Moron award.

Use it wisely, and proudly.

Phelps came to SIUC while I was a student when Mathew Shepperds mother came to speak. THis fucker was STANDING on a American Flag with his bullhorn. Total piece of shit without a shred of remorse. Any negative action done unto him is of his own invitation.

One of my favorite clips:
www.youtube.com

#80 | Posted by GotTruth

We've had them come inside our church, pretending to be regular worshippers, then start disrupting the service. One of them actually grabbed our Senior Pastor's arm during communion and wouldn't let him go until several people pulled him away.

Onward Christian Soldiers, indeed.

#7 | Posted by bruceaz at 2009-06-30 01:37 AM

"What has happened to good old American vigilantiism?"

Yeah,I'd like to string you after reading some of your diatribes

I can understand that Bruce. You have no ability to refute my positions, so you're frustrated by the reality of your situation and can only have recourse in displaced aggression.

Parenthetically "Bruce," I do not intrude upon your "close" or into your private situation. I am on a blog, and if you come here, you do so voluntarily. Rev. Phelps aggressively intrudes upon families and under highly emotional circumstances.

If you do want to "string me up," Bruce, bring it on. Just as anyone can sue anyone else on some pretext or other, someone may try to demonstrate his machisimo by acting out his fantasies. I don't think you'd succeed, but you're welcome to try, Bruce. Frankly, I suspect you wouldn't have the balls to hang me even if I did not resist, since you seem sort of wimpy, and have wimpy adherents. But don't be concerned. I'd resist.

Nothing I read explains how SCOTUS arrived at this decision. If they hear the case, might not Scalia, Thomas, Roberts and Alito codify Fred Phelps' ugliness into the law of the land. Maybe with Kennedy's aid gay-bashing would become as much a part of American life as Marbury vs. Madison. herm

Okay Rogue, why don't you and some of your friends if you are sufficiently offended, go attend Rev. Phelp's services and start showing affection to each other. Tell him you want to worship at his Church, and it is unChristian to deny you communion with other members of the faith. And no, you'll submit yourself to God for judgment and not men, so you won't change your earthly ways at the behest of another man, who believes that he alone channels the message of the Lord.

right decision, Phelps is still an ass. WTF are you talking about herm? Codifying Phelps' ugliness? sticking up for 1st amendment was the rationale. remember that? it's number 1 in the Bill of Rights.

btw Herm, would you think that supporting Prop. 8 and picketing the type of gay-bashing that govt. could suppress? what about a sign that says "I don't like gays" or "queer is weird." Should the govt. be able to censor that. As despicable as I find such things, I don't think the first amendment would allow censorship of these folks, do you?

I'm no proponent of gay rights.. but it just seems that a society has some rights to normalcy, especially during a funeral, when idiots show up to protest something that is only by the most tenuous stretch of the imagination related.

Protesting is speech.. fine.. but it does seem that the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness should mean a bit as well. The continual stretch of the constitution to essentially say that anything a group of fools wants to do is OK, regardless of who they disturb, needs some common sense applied. Lawyers.. ugh..

I'm also a Christian, and I think this horrible group of protesters is evil.

#81 | POSTED BY DUMPLING1
"The lesson is, kids, once a legal right has been established in this country (state), the nutsacks dissappear. It's because they think they still have a legal right to deny others and so they act. Take the issue away from them and bye-bye Phelps..."

That's a great idea, dumpling, but abortion has been legal since 73, and the nutcases associated with that issue (and I would assume there's significant cross-over) have done anything BUT disappear.

Perhaps, once something is legal, that particular form of protest becomes less acceptable, but the nutcases still abound, and in any case I doubt Phelps and his sheep are concerned with being acceptable.

On a lighter note, I've never called anyone "dumpling" before.

Who the hell needs the authorities. Why don't everyday American citizens stand up to these punks? When I went to a Cornhuskers game last year, some of these assholes were there protesting and the cops would laugh and look the the other way while we accidentally dropped things on them from the overpass.

If we weren't so afraid of getting into a little trouble and actually took these guys on, I guarantee the problem would disappear. Next time you run into them, make 'em hurt.

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