Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Tuesday, June 30, 2009

President Barack Obama says the weekend ouster of Honduran leader Manuel Zelaya was a "not legal" coup and that he remains the country's president. Obama said Zelaya is the democratically elected president and pledged the U.S. to "stand on the side of democracy" and to work with other nations and international entities to resolve the matter peacefully.

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A socialist dictator has been kicked to the curb and poor old Obama has pissed his communist panties.

Good for you Honduras. I am glad you had the courage to oust this piece of shit before he installed himself as a lifelong dictator live Hugo Chavez.

As for Obama is it any wonder he wet his panties over this.

"A socialist dictator has been kicked to the curb and poor old Obama has pissed his communist panties."

An ignorant bufoon makes idiotic comments about things he know nothing about. Of course, the ousted President is an evil socialist and it is the wonderful patriots of the right who use military force to correct the mistake of the voters.

legal coup? BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA!

Danni comes close. As I note in the other thread, this latest Kissinger Koup surely was executed by colonels WE trained at Fort Benning, colonels in U.S. corporate pockets. The guy they kicked out was a pal of Chavez, whom "we" DON'T like. Add it up ... herm

Buzkiller, you don't have a clue. Zelaya was democratically elected. Vasquez and the other coup leaders graduated from the School of the Americas.

"Good for you Honduras. I am glad you had the courage".

I hope you realize that you're talking to the Honduran military, not the people. The Honduran people don't like what's happening at all.

"socialist dictator"

Rtard definition: a leftist leader who has been democratically elected and isn't a puppet of the U.S. government.

"Socialist dictator..."

Ah, reminds me of Salvador Allende. Democratically elected socialist president of Chile. Died of "self-inflicted air strikes" in a right-wing coup abetted by Nixon and Kissinger.

Then we had the Colonels, fascism, and the Dirty War. This included, among other things, killing off a baby's parents so you could steal the kid and raise him/her as your own.

Maybe the ousted president was real bastard. Problenm is, given this is Honduras, his successors are going to be one hell of a lot worse.

legal coup? BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA!

#3 | Posted by nanc

Your reply is so correct, but let me give you the technical definition of legal coup.

legal coup = any coup that the ruling cabal agrees with. If they don't agree with it, then it's illegal. but here's the problem. who would agree to be overthrown?

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said Monday the United States believes the unrest in Honduras "has evolved into a coup," but the U.S. is not demanding that deposed President Manuel Zelaya be restored to office.

And there you have it from the so-called "leftist" Obama administration. Hillary and Obama, two gutless weasels.

There was no coup in Honduras. The Supreme Court of Honduras voted what the president tried to do unconstitutional and confiscated the ballots. The president defied there decision. This is what lead to his removal.

If Bush had defied our supreme court then you libfucks would have wanted even screamed for his impeachment.

Honduras president was removed legally and the 2nd in command sworn in as the new president. That person was not a member of the military but the next in line to be president should the current president fail to follow the rule of law and uphold the constitution.

Care to explain how a non-binding referendum is unconstitutional? Never mind, this picture is obviously too big for you.

Because the supreme court said it was outside of the presidents power to have such a vote. Read it slowly derek as comprehension does not seem you strong suit.

"The Supreme Court of Honduras voted what the rpesident tried to do was unconstitutional and confiscated the ballots..."

Did they also issue a warrant for his arrest?

"Hillary and Obama, two gutless weasels."

You mean hypocrites and arrogant weasels..

Telling the Honduran Supreme Court that what it did was "not legal", thats height of American arrogance.

"Outside the president's power to have such a vote..."

Was his current term still in legal effect?

At the moment I still smell "coup". Smells like, like---Cream of celery soup for some damned reason.

By reort, Zelaya is forced into exile without benefit of due process. So, yes---It's a coup.

"You mean hypocrites and arrogant weasels.."

No, I mean what I said. Their appeasement of the coup should be an affront to anyone who believes in democracy, but obviously rtards don't give a fuck about democracy and rule of law.

"Honduran Supreme Court"

Now that obviously is a democratic institution to be revered. LOL. You rtards must be the most naive fuckers on the planet.

If Bush had defied our supreme court then you libfucks would have wanted even screamed for his impeachment.

Honduras president was removed legally and the 2nd in command sworn in as the new president. That person was not a member of the military but the next in line to be president should the current president fail to follow the rule of law and uphold the constitution.

#11 | Posted by buzkiller

In what world is impeachment (and even subsequent conviction and removal from office) equivalent to having the military march in and drag the man from his bed and replacing him in the office to which he was legally elected?

Mr. President, don't go there. I voted for you. Let the leftists and rightwing dictators fall on their own. It is of no concern to our country.

Sanantoniorogue, what were they supposed to do sit back and just let him defy them. The matter had already went through the court and he lost. It was then that he broke the law and tried to steal back the illegal ballots against the will of their supreme court.

I am quite sure had a republican in our country done the same you would have gave the usual liberal cry of "shitting on the constition" and the subsequent "impeach him".

They didn't wait 2-3 years to get rid of the leftwing tyrant they kicked his ass out of the country and went back to the rule of law.

Some of you folks have likened this to the removal of Allende. Slowly now, this enemy of the people and would be leftist tyrant was deported, not killed. The humanitarians of the country who want to retain their freedom opposed the machinations of a narcissist emulating the actions of his champion, Chavez of Venezuela, who is dragging Venezuela into a situation where there will be less and less.

It's amazing that Obama worshippers unquestioningly rush to his support when he patronizes totalitarians worldwide from "the freedom loving Saudi rulers" to the leftist dictators in Latin America. So long as Obama's policies are consistently antithetical to the interests of the U.S., the grtevance collector who hates whitey and the provident and productive, will evidence his support for "others." Obama is the "Raghead Candidate," not the "Manchurian Candidate," working against America, and not enforcing the Monroe Doctrine that has heretofore served us so well, not opposing the joint maneuver of Russian and Venezuelan forces. Instead of responing negatively to the probe, the mole Obama, passively accepted it, and did not act to establish limits.

But Obama is going 90 miles an hour down a one way street in his efforts to destroy America both economically and internationally. Hopefully, sooner or later his intent will become apparent and he'll crash the car. Here is a scumbag affiliated with another racist bigot who was his mentor for some two decades, Rev. Wright, a man who screamed hate America, hate whitey, hate Jews, with Obama implementing policies to achieve the goals that his mentor sought.

Obama is the "Raghead Candidate

~Tiny Johnson.

And Obama is ostensibly the "hate whitey" racist in this picture, eh?

Yer so doing it wrong.

Be Well.

/Not here

"Sanantoniorogue, what were they supposed to do sit back and just let him defy them. The matter had already went through the court and he lost. It was then that he broke the law and tried to steal back the illegal ballots against the will of their supreme court."

His removal was done LEGALLY. He was ordered arrested and removed by the Honduran Attorney General in accordance with the Honduran constitution, all entirely legal. The reason Chavez printed the ballots was because the Honduran government refused to have ballots printed for an illegal referendum. Once they were sent to Honduras by Chavez, the military wouldn't distribute the ILLEGAL ballots so Zelaya had a mob take them from the military compound and start distributing them. The Honduran Supreme Court declared it illegal and the attorney general ordered him arrested and escorted out of the country. It was hardly a "coup," it was done according to their constitution. Maybe someone could explain it to Obama and the Obamaniacs.

Looks to me like obama is two facing it again. On one hand helping overthrow a democratically elected government, and on the other condemning it.

"It was done according to their Constitution..."

Then those Hondurans are just real strange people. Sorry, I'll have to read it in their Constitution in order to believe it

This just proves what intelligent Americans have know all along, Obama is on the side of America's enemies.
I guess obama and his wife along with hillary the dirt bag are on chavez's payroll. Keep digging that hole obama, when it is deep enough to hide you and your big ears, America will bury you in it. I really feel sorry for the people who expected real change.

ZED You would not believe anything unless obama told you it was true, and then you would believe anything.

Provided some other nation's military doesn't try to take over Honduras over this I would just prefer we stay the hell out of this.

"I really feel sorry for the people who expected real change..."

This Honduran coup has brought out the strangeness in people. The lesson I'm getting is that their committment to democracy is a mile wide and an inch deep.

The number of Americans who apparently root for such shallowness confounds me.

Obama says the weekend ouster of Honduran leader Manuel Zelaya was a "not legal" coup --

See--he looked it up in wiki.

BADEYE---I hear a lot of quasi-fascist sorts blathering about how this really screwed up chain of events is no more than Honduran law.

Time to put up or shut up. I'll read any link you post.

Here Zed--

While Honduran law allows for a constitutional rewrite . . . [a] constituent assembly can only be called through a national referendum approved by its Congress. But Mr. Zelaya declared the vote on his own and had Mr. Chvez ship him the necessary ballots from Venezuela. The Supreme Court ruled his referendum unconstitutional, and it instructed the military not to carry out the logistics of the vote as it normally would do.

The attorney general of Honduras, as well as the nation's Supreme Court, had declared the referendum illegal. Zelaya attempted an end run. O'Grady writes: "Calculating that some critical mass of Hondurans would take his side, the president decided he would run the referendum himself. So on Thursday he led a mob that broke into the military installation where the ballots from Venezuela were being stored and then had his supporters distribute them in defiance of the Supreme Court's order."

Obama should be careful as what he is doing is not legal.

All the czars for one--someone needs to file a complaint against the WH for this.

What I want is definitive proof those Army officers acted according to the Honduran constitution. And that his successor is there according to constitutional forms.

This isn't a debate about whether Zelaya was a bad man or not. It's about whether those who deposed him were worse.

#34 | Posted by MURPHY

None of that negates the fact that he was legitimately elected to office. He should have been arrested by civil authorities and charges brought against him through the legal system, and, if convicted, remove him from office.

Having the military physically remove him from the country is a coup.

Whether it is legal or not is not up to us, rather that is for their Supreme Count to decide:)

All the czars for one--someone needs to file a complaint against the WH for this.

#35 | Posted by MURPHY

Did you complain about the czars Bush appointed?

I commend the Honduran military for upholding their OATH to their CONSTITUTION. Something our government, (regardless of party,) could learn alot about.

Interesting op
wsj.com

And isn't it noteworthy how slow Lord Zero was to speak on the Iranian situation where a tyrant remained in power, but was quick to speak when a tyrant was removed from power?

More insight into the tyranical leanings of Lord Zero!

This Obama fellow is simply amazing.

I mean really. Just when you think, how can this guy top his last accomplishment, he comes along and out does himself.

I thought we were'nt going to meddle in other countries business. I mean, he's not going to butt into Irans affairs, it's off limits but Honduras isn't.

when can we get that some of that "coup" deal goin' up here?

PS - can we also get some senators & congress-persons on that one-way plane ride to Nicaragua???

"And isn't it noteworthy how slow Lord Zero was to speak on the Iranian situation where a tyrant remained in power, but was quick to speak when a tyrant was removed from power?"

I think it has more to do with allegations of electoral fraud vs. a leader being removed by force.

The situation in Honduras is more clear cut than the Iran situation (though there are still a lot of questions to be answered in Honduras). However, I should be honest and say that I thought the same thing you did when I first saw the remarks coming from the Obama administration.

Have any Republicans given their position on this?

When will the other communist dictators be thrown out - Castro, Chavez, and Obama.

First Zelaya scheduled a national vote on a constitutional convention. After the Honduran supreme court ruled that only the country's congress could call such an election, Zelaya ordered the army to help him stage it anyway. (It would be ''non-binding,'' he said.) When the head of the armed forces, acting on orders from the supreme court, refused, Zelaya fired him, then led a mob to break into a military base where the ballots were stored.

His actions have been repudiated by the country's supreme court, its congress, its attorney-general, its chief human-rights advocate, all its major churches, its main business association, his own political party (which recently began debating an inquiry into Zelaya's sanity) and most Hondurans: Recent polls have shown his approval rating down below 30 percent.

In fact, about the only people who didn't condemn Zelaya's political gangsterism were the foreign leaders and diplomats who now primly lecture Hondurans about the importance of constitutional law. They're also strangely silent about the vicious stream of threats against Honduras spewing from Chavez since Zelaya was deposed.

"Warning that he's already put his military on alert, Chavez on Monday flat-out threatened war against Honduras if Roberto Micheletti, named by the country's congress as interim president until elections in November, takes office.

''If they swear him in we'll overthrow him,'' Chvez blustered. ``Mark my words. Thugetti -- as I'm going to refer to him from now on -- you better pack your bags, because you're either going to jail or you're going into exile.''

Hey, Hillary: What does the Inter-American charter say about that?"

Of course the zero backs Iran's leaders and buried their resistance, and here he throws all the Hondurans under the bus.

What Really Happened in Honduras? - Glenn Garvin, Miami Herald

www.miamiherald.com

All my ham radio buddies in Honduras are adamant that they are preserving their constitution.

I wish we'd at least demand our kids read ours.

The United States Constitution

www.usconstitution.net

What is a legal coup? Maybe throwing rocks is...

Obama is not a red.

"The Honduran army clearly did not act on it's own when they sent him (Zelaya) packing...."

Big freaking deal. And the Praetorian Guard had the tacit consent of the Roman Senate as they murdered Caligula.

Problem is, Rome wasn't a Republic at the time Caligula was snuffed. And, apparently, Honduras isn't one now.

Here's a good giveaway--Any time a faction doesn't offer it's enemies a trial, it's a dictatorship.

Meet the boss, same as the old boss.

Zed, you are right any country or island or state or any place for that matter, that does not hold a trial for those accused is not a democracy. Dosen't mean its a dictatorship but it is not a democratic state.

But I like the Who reference...:)

All my ham radio buddies in Honduras are adamant that they are preserving their constitution.

I wish we'd at least demand our kids read ours.

#50 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2009-06-30 09:15 PM

Can you get that printed in Spanish?

I am teacher and most kids just don't care. Some do but most likley not until college.

wow, it only took 10 posts before someone actually addressed what actually happened without harping the party deflection line.

congrats Buzkiller!

i sure love watching Nullifidian and Sanantoniorogue flop all over the place defending this. THAT is priceless.

getting some popcorn.

"I am teacher and most kids just don't care. "

So kill them.

I've been teaching students at the PhD level for decades.

To Zatoichi:

I want to, oh man do I want to.

"I want to, oh man do I want to."

Posted by McGreens at 2009-06-30 10:17 PM | Reply

So?

I like my students.
www.hep.utexas.edu

This may answer many of the quesitons regarding what was lawful, who broke it and who was really conducting a coup here:

from the WSJ link posted by Wurster (#40)

But Mr. Zelaya declared the vote on his own and had Mr. Chvez ship him the necessary ballots from Venezuela. The Supreme Court ruled his referendum unconstitutional, and it instructed the military not to carry out the logistics of the vote as it normally would do.

The top military commander, Gen. Romeo Vsquez Velsquez, told the president that he would have to comply. Mr. Zelaya promptly fired him. The Supreme Court ordered him reinstated. Mr. Zelaya refused.

Calculating that some critical mass of Hondurans would take his side, the president decided he would run the referendum himself. So on Thursday he led a mob that broke into the military installation where the ballots from Venezuela were being stored and then had his supporters distribute them in defiance of the Supreme Court's order.

The attorney general had already made clear that the referendum was illegal, and he further announced that he would prosecute anyone involved in carrying it out. Yesterday, Mr. Zelaya was arrested by the military and is now in exile in Costa Rica.

Now that sounds like a soft coup -- the same type Chavez conducted. which figures considering the friends this former president of Honduras keeps.

it IS a damn shame that too few kids pay attention to politics or history while in school. they end up spending a lot more time as adults trying to learn what would have been easier then. that is if they give a damn enough to ever try (Michael Jackson is dead! oh boohoo! but they don't know anything else...) makes me sick really.

#63 | Posted by edb

(Pssssst) Here's a clue for you... nobody is saying the guy did nothing wrong, and perhaps deserves to be removed from office for his offenses. Its the METHOD that is at issue.

#64

You don't have a clue what your talking about. You're just regurgitating our President's opinion. Let's see facts, or at least a link. Who else was going to do it?

You don't have a clue what your talking about. You're just regurgitating our President's opinion. Let's see facts, or at least a link. Who else was going to do it?

#65 | Posted by wurster

Sure. If that makes you feel better.

"The attorney general had already made clear that the referendum was illegal, and he further announced that he would prosecute anyone involved in carrying it out."

What prevented the attorney general from having him arrested by civil authorities, seeking an indictment or impeachment, and giving the duly elected President of a country a trial through the judicial system?

Who would have prevented that? If the military was not supporting the President, presumably they would not have stepped in to stop an arrest.

Anyone that would expect an elected leader to say that they consider the concept of a coup as a lawful concept is dreaming. Especially without some extreme danger posed by their holding office such as declaring a war or giving up sovereignity would constitute a dire enough violation to justify anyone seizing power by force. Once it is considered a legitimate means of transferring power it is only a matter of deciding your cause is right even if the majority of voters disagreed and then seizing power by force.

#63 | Posted by edb
it IS a damn shame that too few kids pay attention to politics or history while in school. they end up spending a lot more time as adults trying to learn what would have been easier then. that is if they give a damn enough to ever try (Michael Jackson is dead! oh boohoo! but they don't know anything else...) makes me sick really.

Now concerning public school and kids. THAT, my friend, is what you call a "SOFT COUP!"

I know. I'm not that far out of my indoctrination, OH SHIT, I mean graduation.

#66 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

Mostly an argument...mostly.

Headline Reads "Honduran attorney general says ousted president faces arrest, 20 years in prison if he returns"

Holy Shit, Danni, I've never read something you wrote that is so rational.

Mostly an argument...mostly.

Headline Reads "Honduran attorney general says ousted president faces arrest, 20 years in prison if he returns"

#69 | Posted by wurster

Good. Then why didn't they do that in the first place?

Good question.

Because they wouldn't.

Military is there to protect its citizens and their laws, (in theory.)

And the AG didn't have the capability.

And the AG didn't have the capability.

#72 | Posted by wurster

Sooooo, he does NOW, but he didn't 2 days ago?

Your response is a little slow. I never said the AG has capability in the present, unless that fascist sets foot on Honduras soil.

You're really not much of a Rogue but more of a liberal puke mouth.

read the WSJ editorial SAR. it really gives a good breakdown of the events. the Army was acting at the request of their supreme court. he was arrested before he was deported. I'm sure he can come back, if he'd like to spend a ton of time in jail. their system is not exactly like ours, so we cant expect exactly the same series of events. this certainly isn't a miltary coup in the vein of say, the takeover of Argentina by past military jauntas. to characterize it so as some are, not you per se, is dishonest.

As for Obama is it any wonder he wet his panties over this.

#1 | Posted by buzkiller at 2009-06-29 06:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

Another right-winger projecting their 'piss fetish'.

Your response is a little slow. I never said the AG has capability in the present, unless that fascist sets foot on Honduras soil.

You're really not much of a Rogue but more of a liberal puke mouth.

#74 | Posted by wurster

You seem to be the one that is a bit slow. You said the AG has the capability to arrest and prosecute the President if he comes back to Honduras. So if he has that power now, why didn't he have it a couple of days ago?

You're getting tangled in your own argument you little punk.

One of several clauses that cannot be legally altered in the Honduran constitution limits presidents to a single, 4-year term, and Congress claims Zelaya, whose term ends in January, modified the ballot question at the last minute to help him eventually try to seek re-election. Chavez has used referendums in Venezuela to win the right to run repeatedly.

His foreign minister, Enrique Ortez, threw a wild card onto the table, telling CNN en Espanol that Zelaya had been letting drug traffickers ship U.S.-bound cocaine from Venezuela through Honduras. Ortez said the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration was aware of Zelaya's ties to organized crime.

DEA spokesman Rusty Payne could neither confirm nor deny a DEA investigation.

neither is meddling in nicaragua, brazil, euraguay, dominica, congo, columbia, argentina, chile, cuba, grenada, vietnam, iraq, iran, afghanistan, bosnia, kerkistan, korea, east timor, somalia

ask the cia if they give a shit

Intesting acticle about the Honduran constitution.

"Section 5 states that anyone who incites, promotes, or supports the reelection of the President will lose his citizenship after sentencing by the courts"

As the article states was proper sentencing done and can the court use the military. Turns out there is no article for impeachment. Given the Honduran constitutions lack of impeachment article and how to remove a powerful and dangerous President that was trying to impose himself as dictator.... I think the Hondurans handled it the best and most legal way they could.

wearesc.com

He is right. The military finaly stepped in and stopped it.

Legal Coup? Sounds like a Illinois "fireworks" stand, or Amish Pornstar....

ALL RIGHT
look at the leaders who are all coming together on this issue

CHAVEZ
CASTRO
OBAMA

ah yes birds of a feather and all that

OOPS cant forget that beacon of democracy around the world
THE FRIGGIN UN....all RIGHT

AND mister president

what happened to that policy of not meddling??

at least now ISrael isnt the only country you are meddling in.....

The UN, OAS, and the President is just wrong on this issue. The Hondurans followed their constitution. Question is are they just naive or are they just upset that a lefty got ousted trying to take over a country. I hope its their usual habit of being naive.

look at the leaders who are all coming together on this issue

CHAVEZ
CASTRO
OBAMA

ah yes birds of a feather and all that

#84 | Posted by afkabl2

Let's not forget

Brown (Britain)
Sarkozy (France)
Zapatero (Spain)
Harper (Canada)
Merkel (Germany)

etc.

The UN, OAS, and the President is just wrong on this issue. The Hondurans followed their constitution. Question is are they just naive or are they just upset that a lefty got ousted trying to take over a country. I hope its their usual habit of being naive.

#86 | Posted by quisp65

Don't forget the EU.

The whole rest of the world is wrong, eh?

"The whole rest of the world is wrong, eh?"

Apparently. Not the first time it has happened. Flat earth, religion, nurture being ruled victor in "nature vs. nurture etc....

This is a good lesson why other countries should not be meddling in others affairs. It looks bad and they are playing politics to bolster their image. Never mind what the Honduran constitution says in Article 239.

"Don't forget the EU."

No, NEVER forget the EU. We are on the fast track to BECOMING the EU, the USofEU. As soon as we do Cap and Trade and government health care, we'll be there. Oh, yes, some of our Supreme Justices are already trying to apply EU law. Sooooo...if the EU wants to reseat Zelaya that settles it! No matter that Zelaya was removed entirely lawfully. I fear you and your litle friends would defend Obama if he were to be convicted of child rape. I know you'll damn well defend him if he changes his mind on this issue too. It's not a matter of agreeing with him, it's all about defending him regardless...

"As military "coups" go, the one this weekend in Honduras was strangely, well, democratic. The military didn't oust President Manuel Zelaya on its own but instead followed an order of the Supreme Court. It also quickly turned power over to the president of the Honduran Congress, a man from the same party as Mr. Zelaya. The legislature and legal authorities all remain intact.

We mention these not so small details because they are being overlooked as the world, including the U.S. President, denounces tiny Honduras in a way that it never has, say, Iran. President Obama is joining the U.N., Fidel Castro, Hugo Chvez and other model democrats in demanding that Mr. Zelaya be allowed to return from exile and restored to power. Maybe it's time to sort the real from the phony Latin American democrats."

online.wsj.com

More...

article.nationalreview.com

SA

the reportst that I have seen show that YES they are all wrong....as the info from jest and quis are showing.
and it was not a coup as defined by someone I was listening to...he thought that it couldnt be called a coup since there was no gunfire or rather that it was all peacefull and as we see here according to constitution of that country.
but EVEN if it wasnt,...he is still attempting to take control as chavez and castor did and MAYBE as obama wants to...yeah I know...impossible...but i wonder if people in honduros thought it was impossible there too
I mean if obama and the state run media all tells us thats its okay if he has three terms we would just be called stupid to say otherwise....

"They (details) are being over-looked in the world..."

Did the Honduran Supreme Court even ask Zelaya for a brief defending his actions as legal?

This punishment of exile without a trial? Legal under Honduran law? Strange people.

Just out of curiosity, did Zelaya have to leave his money and property in Honduras when he was exiled?

Coup.

The WSJ states Zelaya "led" a mob. That should be the sort of thing there's no shortage of evidence regarding.

But apparently no charges filed against him. Therefore no witneses called;no evidence adduced. No chance to cross-examine. No chance to imprison the man for violating a law. No chance for appeal.

Coup.

But apparently no charges filed against him. Therefore no witneses called;no evidence adduced. No chance to cross-examine. No chance to imprison the man for violating a law. No chance for appeal.

Coup.

#93 | Posted by Zed

Never mind what the Honduran constitution says in Article 239. Read it if you know how to. Don't read it and look stoopid.

The Article in question states the official will immediately cease his functions. It doesn't state anything about anything else, exile being a case in point.

Coup.

Article 239 says immediately loose their position. They can have a trial afterwards. People were saying earlier to show where this is legal and we did, but the Left wing looneys still go on. WE WON! YOU LOST! If you think its unfair go argue with the Honduran legistlature who wrote thier constition. Upset about his free ride to Costa Rica? If thats Honduras safest bet then more power to them. He can always come back and stand trial.

BTW: The definition of coup d'etat is not necessarily an illegal act. You can have a legal coup.

obama would not know legal if it bit him in his scrawny ass

"Article 239 says immediately lose their postion..."

No, not to be pedantic, but it says they will cease functions. Just as a guess, had they meant them to also be thrown out of office, they would have said that.

"WE WON, YOU LOST..."

Interesting you should put it quite that way.

"Upset about his free ride to Honduras...."

I confess I knew nothing about Zelaya until this week. All I asked was where in Honduran law it stated he could be exiled without due process.

I also asked why the Honduran Supreme Court could find no civil authority to carry out it's writ.

"He can always come back and stand trial..."

Or come back and be shot. I suppose it would be useless to ask, one more time, why he couldn't be waiting to stand trial now?

Coup.

Sorry, that was his "free ride" to Costa Rica. Now here's my other ignored question---Was he allowed to stop at the ATM beforehand and withdraw any personal cash to live on?

Coup.

Chavez, Castro, Ortega and Obama on the same side? What gives?

"What gives....?"

Sorry. Still wrapping my mind around the right-wing attitude that a coup is a bad thing if it targets one of their boys but a good thing otherwise.

I've read a lot of subversive material since Obama was elected, ranging from plots of secession to the military rising up.

Many of you are quite serious, aren't you?

An ignorant bufoon makes idiotic comments about things he know nothing about. Of course, the ousted President is an evil socialist and it is the wonderful patriots of the right who use military force to correct the mistake of the voters.

#2 | Posted by danni
HA TAKE THAT 'CAUSE DANNI IS THE AUTHORITY ON BUFOONERY!

"Underground"
By Barry Soetoro

Under water grottos, caverns
Filled with apes
That eat figs.
Stepping on the figs
That the apes
Eat, they crunch.
The apes howl, bare
Their fangs, dance.
Tumble in the
Rushing water,
Musty, wet pelts
Glistening in the blue.

I hope you realize that you're talking to the Honduran military, not the people. The Honduran people don't like what's happening at all.

#5 | Posted by Derek_Wildstar

I dont know but callers to a couple of shows and a clip of some people there have said that the idea of this guy creating a marxist state like his buddies chavez and castro and NOW obaMA was scaring them pretty good.
and that this move by the military was the proper thing to do especailly since it was done without bloodshed like a "REAL coups usually does...

I guess we will find out eventually since
OBAMA IS ALL OVER THIS

"No, not to be pedantic, but it says they will cease functions. Just as a guess, had they meant them to also be thrown out of office, they would have said that"

I guess you can read Spanish. Have it your way. A president who is no longer able to carry out the functions of President will be replaced by another President in any form of government. Its still according to thier constitution which the Supreme court decides and not wacky big goverment loving liberals who don't live in their country. Disagree with the Supreme Courts decision? Thats nothing new and happens with all decisions in every Supreme Court. The Supreme Courts finding though is still the law.

Your concern with him being sent to Costa Rica is irrelevant. Unless you can specify in their constitution that a supposed criminal can't be transported to certain areas then there is nothing wrong with it. The conern of the Honduran government was to minimize casualties while a dictator wannabe was removed. Him being far away and out of touch made it easier and might have saved lives. My bet is if would you gave him the choice of Costa Rica or jail he probably would of picked Costa Rica anyway. So no harm done constitutionally or morally.

this whole issue also brings me to a point about iran as well
these people see what is happening to 'chavez's slaves' as well as noreiga's peasants and maybe they just dont want it to happen to them when they have a constitutional way to keep from it..apparently..

and in iran, they are seeing the new found fledgleing democracy in IRAQ thanks to american sacrifice and GEORGE W BUSH and they are saying

hey if in the land where the people USED to be shot and killed and tortured and raped..if they can now have elections...why cant we...

WOW>.another good post...two subjects and link them together..
sometimes I even amaze myself

"I hope you realize that you're talking to the Honduran military, not the people. The Honduran people don't like what's happening at all."

The unions and poor people don't support it. The educated people, (eg. rich, middleclass, legislature, judiciary) do!

Central America is famous for imposing dictators by a populist march of the nations poor people. What idiots!

Neither is the shit you assholes are doing to the American people

"I also asked why the Honduran Supreme Court could find no civil authority to carry out it's writ."

Its the amazing ZED! He alone determines how arrests are made, how the constitution is interpreted not that wacky annoyance called the Honduran Supreme Court!

ALL HAIL the AMAZING ZED!

She should put an ad in the singles paper for dominatrix services... She would probably clean up!

Woof Woof

The unions and poor people don't support it. The educated people, (eg. rich, middleclass, legislature, judiciary) do!

but doesnt this show that he would do what chavez has done as well as castro and said they were doing all this for the people you list here...

and these educated people who do..is that because they know what their constitution says or is just a 'rich' thing....

interesting discussion though..
a country has a leader that wants to suppress democracy and OBAMA is alligned right with him..

hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmm
mmm

"Zelaya thanked the administration for supporting his unconditional return to power."

Zed, you're coup-coup. it's rare to see someone thrash about so helplessly to defend his perception against reality.

coup-coup, i say.

what am i saying? rare? not around here...

"what am i saying?"

It appears to be mostly bullshit.

In a statement, President Obama said he was "deeply concerned" about the situation and he called on "all political and social actors in Honduras to respect democratic norms, the rule of law and the tenets of the Inter-American Democratic Charter.

Even more 'deep concern' on Obama's part, which again means nothing will happen.

"Unless you can specify in their consitution that a supposed criminal can't be transported there (Costa Rica) there's nothing wrong with it...."

I guess my response is that you should find the category "Supposed Criminal" in that constitution, or in anyone's constitution. You guys never, ever really listen to yourselves.

The most I get from your arguments is that Honduras is a constitutional republic provided you close one eye and voluntarily pepper-spray the other.

Coup.

"Supposed Criminal" seems to be a more useful term than even "Enemy Combatant". Every country needs a term that allows you do do whatever you want with a person physically. I'm sure you agree.

Oh, excuse me---I forgot---"Coup".

www.tate.org.uk

Coupe Degas

We like USA people, we liked Obama, but he try to starve our people. Zelaya have 18 warrant, drug money, drug planes, all on video from US DEA who train here since Reagan, your good president who care about democracy. 500 Hondurans protesting Zeyala (Que Se Vaya!) make news but 100,000 protest CNN and Obama and sine OUR anthem, you ignore. Come visit and see that we not want Chavez, he give MIIIIIIILIONES to other campaign and Obama and all is drug money. You want be "left" then you not have your drugs your gay kiss your crazy California your Hollywood. We think Americans in Hollywood crazy porque if you get what you want then you will have nothing because they take it all away, you can not tax poor to feed poor. You make US like Venezuela, all rich and medianos leave, rich leave Venezuela come here make Honduras strong. Mel go to hell. We not want drugs we not want coca we not want Chavez, Castro, Obama. We want manufacture and farm. I work hard, study speak Chinese better than English and you Americans will learn soon compete and fight or be slaves. We not slaves of Chavez. Same party, same court, same Congress. We have choice of bad prensa from stupid TV reporters here drinking, have Obama stickers on camera, they NOT want to hear what we say, some go to jail for makng fire and tomando fotos de su propio fuego!!! You can read La Prensa and Honduras Daily and translate on babelfish for read all from here, don't be lazy, we have poco tiempo. I work hard for my store and government NOT take and tax it from me. No! We can have news "President of Honduras Arrested for Narcotrafficking" and we get bad name for drug problem we do not have, OR we have "Supreme Court, Congress order military arrest of President for Treason". Will your Obama have plane full of marked ballots come from Cuba now for you to give fake vote? Maybe he smoke to death. Coup is any change or incident, open diccionario! Coup de etat not happen, this is different. Do your information first not just talk like Obama before you know. Weeks of protest to get rid of Zelaya happen for weeks at University and main street, you ignore this? You have no jobs, we have many. Come to Honduras and work and retire here, we have mango tree, lemon tree, lime tree, you not pay anything it is front of your house every day. I study in US and pay $5 for coconut is free here, fall from tree. To make one big government you need table full of dictator, to do this with republics much harder. Many children many thousand shot and die and kill many my friend when I was FIVE years, CIA war, you never forget this. Americans not remember what fight for freedom mean since you have it much time, we have it for just 30 years and we ALL know what it worth.

WATUSA777

Try using a paragraph break once or twice. Hey, you might even like it. I know we will.

Sorry I am very upset I thank many American for understand that we are fine but we not need dictator, we run country, not Zelaya. F. Villalobos, Choluteca, Honduras

Dios te Bendiga!

#122 | Posted by watusa777

Who is this fool? Nobody is going to read walls of text. Moron.

"we are fine but we not need dictator, we run country, not Zelaya"

Fuck you pinche cabron! Who pays you to pimp for the oligarchs?

Obama says the free trip to Costa Rica was not legal.

First he had to look up the word coup in wiki.

Then he had to ask Hillary.

Problem is that Obama doesn't read the Constitution.

He totally got the 2nd Amendment wrong.

His use of czars is another misread of the founding documents.

So much for him being a constitutional professor --

HA!

Dios te Bendiga!

#124 | Posted by watusa777

Well then I'll just say "HAPPY 4th of JULY USA"

Since it seems we're all celebrating one thing or another on here.

His use of czars is another misread of the founding documents.

So much for him being a constitutional professor --

HA!

#127 | Posted by MURPHY

I asked you this before, so let me try again... can you link us to any of the posts you made complaining about the 15 czars appointed by Bush?

Murphy ignored me also when I asked her this SanAntonioRogue. According to this Bush had 43 czars....

answers.yahoo.com

What you say Murphy?

Wow! Obama has veto power in Hondouras? I have to read the Constitution again. He is upset a socialist got canned and is seeing sweat beads dripping in the mirror.

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