Um... told you so?

Oh, and it's in Denmark? How poetic.

ALL OF HUMANITY IS AT RISK!!!!

Here comes the cull. Last one out turn off the lights...

We learn by history (the mass vaccination of the swine flu three decades back) that it relapses in a mutated form relegating the vaccination worthless. This fact alone (among the other major issues with mass vaccinations) should be enough of a deterrant if the legislators were to objectively decide.

Boys, this is nature. Not a conspiracy. All lifeforms evolve, and the influenza virus does so particularly rapidly. Calling it a plot just makes you look like a moron.

Getting your flu shot against this one would be wise. Your are basically naive to this bug, it's outcompeting seasonal strains in some countries in the southern hemisphere, and it will make you sick as a pig.

Of course, they're putting mind control juice into the vaccines... on the upside I hear it will make you trip balls.

Anyway if I suddenly start watching MTV after getting mine, I'll buy Prollocks a beer.

Getting your flu shot against this one ...

That's what "they" want you to do.

Li'l jeffy

Your are basically naive to this bug...

Basically naive? You ARE naive to completely to this bug. I've yet to see a report of cross protection from other H1N1 infections being effective in lessening swine flu disease.

Doesn't mean the report isn't out there, I just haven't seen it and I've been watching it fairly closely.

it's outcompeting seasonal strains in some countries in the southern hemisphere

and becoming more attuned to the human animal with every infection.

September could be a VERY interesting month.

Piggy-sniffles!! Oh no! Run and hide! Please, government, protect us!
This is the same health bureaucracy that predicted a world-wide heterosexual AIDS pandemic, right?

This is the same health bureaucracy that predicted a world-wide heterosexual AIDS pandemic, right?

The fact that you'd compare influenza to HIV shows you know absolutely NOTHING.

I didn't compare the two diseases, JPW. I noted the similarity of scare propaganda campaigns waged by the health bureaucracy. They do it only to keep funding up.

This is the same health bureaucracy that predicted a world-wide heterosexual AIDS pandemic, right?

And what the fuck do you call what we have now?

The fact that you'd compare influenza to HIV shows you know absolutely NOTHING.

He's so afraid of getting both he might stop assfucking pigs...

If you want the vaccine so bad, go out and help yourself. I'm not getting it and neither is anyone in my family. If I were to get the "super deadly" swine flu I'll *GASP* take extra fluids and go on bed rest.

When one of the main manufacturers of this new swine flu vaccine has been found multiple times with contaminants in their products, you have nobody to blame but yourself if something happens to you.

Typical MexICKan shit...bringing a deadly virus into the world because some machismo dick had to fuck a pig. Dirty is as dirty does

Are liberal fags going to blame Don Rumsfeld for this too? Or are they going to say that now the CIA is targeting Euro-trash with bioweapons?

HULKAMANIA FOREVER

Science journalist files suit alleging H1N1 swine flu' a hoax to sell vaccines

Piggy-sniffles!! Oh no!

Just the kind of fucktard ambivalence that will make you part of history.

I have never in my life heard of 15 year olds dying from the flu in June before this.

LAS VEGASA 33-year-old Clark County man infected with the swine flu virus died Sunday, Southern Nevada health officials said.
The man had no underlying heath conditions and had been hospitalized since June 15, officials with The Southern Nevada Health District said Monday.

Weak and old - no.
Immune system deficiency - no.

Anyway if I suddenly start watching MTV after getting mine, I'll buy Prollocks a beer.

#5 | Posted by ZombieHunter

So are you getting the Tamiflu vaccine that already does not work or a seasonal flu shot that will not work?

And for pete's sake, turn off MTV...

Wow! 500 people have died world wide...
Really pandemic!

Get ready for your mandatory cancer virus injections, slaves.

Really pandemic!

Holy fuck, for the last time, the term pandemic has nothing, NOTHING, to do with fatality rates. It is purely a measure of geographical distribution.

Get ready for your mandatory cancer virus injections, slaves.

You constantly bumble about these sorts of threads blathering this inane shit. What exactly are you talking about?

Doesn't mean the report isn't out there, I just haven't seen it and I've been watching it fairly closely.

No, I've not read anything suggesting that this specific strain has circulated in humans before or that the seasonal flu vaccine is protective. I was just thinking that if this is a product of reassortment between swine-like and human-like viruses, some of the genes may have experienced selection from transmission between humans.

But yeah, as far as our immune systems go, you're right. The HA gene of the A/H1N1 strain used in the last season's vaccine differs from the new H1N1 strain in about 20% of its amino acids - and it's a good bet that the differences are concentrated at antigenic sites. I haven't had time to play with any of the NA sequences yet.

And Prolix, tamiflu is a drug used to treat influenza infection, and that is what this isolate was apparently resistant to. A vaccine is much different, though it will not be protective forever. A vaccine can be reformulated annually, but these antiviral drugs take years and hundreds of millions to develop. Get your shot. It may save you a week or two of feeling shitty and having to take time off work.

Get ready for your mandatory cancer virus injections, slaves.

#20 | Posted by JeffnDenmark at 2009-06-30 04:51 PM |

Jeffi last Saturday nite at 12:25 am (Douchemark time) to the the runaways he "befriended".

Ok People. This is a JOKE.

This has happened with every strain of flu so Far. The anti-virus drugs only work for a short period of time.

This is NOT Swine Flu. This is just another Flu. I have not seen anything saying it is any worse then a typical flu since the initial hysterics in the media. Do you realize how many people die from the flu each year every year anyhow???? Thank you media sensationalists yet again!

Tamiflu doesn't work? Hurry let's get those fuckin bastards at Glaxo named in a lawsuit for making a ineffective product!

Maybe danni's beloved FDA can invent a cure

I'm bored hearing about this flu all the time.

More people have died being hit by a bus.

Adrian Gibbs : Science Professor Says H1N1 Swine Flu Man Made
newsbizarre.com

Why, of course "newsbizarre.com" would say so. How else could they count on the JnDs of the world to keep their site visit numbers and ad revenue up? Can't say I - or Google, for that matter - know much about this fellow Adrian Gibbs at Australian National University, but if this is the best outfit that'd publish him, I think that about closes the case on him. The wild-eyed photo from newsbizarre doesn't help, either. Looks like he's about to peak a few hours after thumbprinting acid.

OTOH, I am a brainwashed dupe who instead trusts monolithic, malevolent peer-reviewed journals like Science when I want to learn about the swine flu (H1N1 so far was the cover story recently).

They have some really smart reptoids submitting articles -- even if they do come from the star system Alpha Draconis!

Even though I don't understand all the biochem that's involved, I can take away enough to realize that the majority of comments thus far have been ignorant at best.

Anyway.

JPW, ZH, I was wondering - what makes the flu go "dormant" during the summer months? The heat? Is that why they can reemerge with a vengeance around Sept? An explanation would debunk JeffnDweebmark's #20.

Also...I see that the current H1N1 is the result of a number of reassortments from several types of swine flu, a human strain, and an avian flu. As mentioned, we currently have no defenses against said strain. Again, not knowing the biochem...since we have some understanding of the history of the current H1N1, would getting your flu shot still offer partial protection against a "tamiflu-resistant" influenza A, or is all-or-none? I realize that the virus is evolving with pretty much each new case...did it outpace us that quickly? Would getting the shot help partially disrupt some of the virus' replicating mechanisms?

You constantly bumble about these sorts of threads blathering this inane shit. What exactly are you talking about?

#22 | Posted by jpw

Jeffy's reptioid overlords have his brain so scrambled that he doesn't realize it's one of them, shapeshifted into the humble form of Alex Jones, who gives Jeffy his "anti-cancer" injection in the base of his spine every week down by the old docks in the abandoned section of town.

They then reassuringly tell him that the rest of us sheeple will be getting the real thing soon enough, and to go spread the word on the internets.

That would explain a lot, wouldn't it?

hope this brings down the price of ham.

#24 | Posted by ZombieHunter

Yes I know, I also know that the annual reformulated vaccine is nothing more than an educated guess of which strain will be prevalent during this particular year. You can still get the flu after getting the flu vaccination.

But I do get the flu vaccine for my kids each year as they are still young.

This has happened with every strain of flu so Far. The anti-virus drugs only work for a short period of time.

The original introduction of H1N1 into the human population was in the 1918 pandemic and I believe it was only last year that the majority (I believe it may have even been all) of the isolates of "seasonal" H1N1 were tamiflu resistant. The fact that the swine H1N1 is already showing tamiflu resistance is bad for two potential reasons:

1-It could indicate reassortment or recombination of the influenza genomic sequences with "seasonal" strains. This is bad because seasonal strains have been in the population for an extended period of time and therefore has accumulated beneficial mutations.

2-We've used tamiflu so much it's already developed this resistance naturally.

Both boild down to one thing- our primary means of reducing disease severity in a virus we are completely naive to is slipping away. If this thing comes back in September with a vengeance, we'll have little choice but to wait it out and hope.

This is NOT Swine Flu. This is just another Flu. I have not seen anything saying it is any worse then a typical flu since the initial hysterics in the media. Do you realize how many people die from the flu each year every year anyhow???? Thank you media sensationalists yet again!

The big to-do about this flu has nothing to with its fatality rate and everything to do with the introduction of an entirely new influenza virus into the human population. That doesn't always bode well and it is a good thing we have the ability to watch it that we do.

I can take away enough to realize that the majority of comments thus far have been ignorant at best.

That's putting it politely.

I was wondering - what makes the flu go "dormant" during the summer months? The heat? Is that why they can reemerge with a vengeance around Sept?

There's a number of factors that play into the "dormancy" of influenza. Part of it is the virus has variable stability in the environment depending on temperature, humidity ect. There's also the fact that people tend to be outside and not congregated indoors during the summer, which is significant given influenza spreads primarily through the air. There's probably others that I'm unfamiliar with, but those are two big ones.

since we have some understanding of the history of the current H1N1, would getting your flu shot still offer partial protection against a "tamiflu-resistant" influenza A, or is all-or-none?

Each year's shot is a cocktail of inactivated viruses. The WHO makes an educated guess when it comes time to begin the production of the next years vaccine as to what strains are likely to be prevalent and that's what goes in the vaccine. Now, if a tamiflu resistant influenza A is added to the vaccine, you will have protection against it but not others that may emerge unexpectedly.

I realize that the virus is evolving with pretty much each new case...did it outpace us that quickly? Would getting the shot help partially disrupt some of the virus' replicating mechanisms?

If they produce a vaccine with the swine flu virus in it, then yes it should provide protection. However, it is the same gamble as seasonal flu-we don't know what state the virus will be in or what mutations it has acquired by the time the vaccine is ready for distribution. The large scale production of influenza vaccine takes 6-8 months I believe, so a lot could happen in that time to make the vaccine less effective or ineffective.

the virus is evolving with pretty much each new case

What I really want to see is the sequence of this isolate's NA gene. See what substitutions confer resistance to Tamiflu, and know what to look for in the future.

Oh my God! We are all going to die! Just like heterosexual AIDS, global warming, the Kennedy "missile gap".....why even bother? Just give the bureaucrats all power.

Hey Zombiehunter: Where is the worldwide heterosexual AIDS pandemic I have been told since the 1980's is "inevitable?" Make fun of me, fine. PROVE IT! These health parasites, I mean "leaders," predict disasters, collect funding and then see it pays to predict disasters.
Are you THAT gullible??
The best and the brightest always fool the ones thinking they are the best and the brightest.

The best and the brightest always fool the ones thinking they are the best and the brightest.

#38 | Posted by Diablo at 2009-07-01 01:18 AM | Reply | Flag: CANT BRAIN GOOD TODAY. HEAD HURT.

Correct me if I'm wrong - like I said upthread, I don't know advanced biochem, nor have I taken biology or chemistry since freshman yr of college (shit, 6 years now!) - but the 'flu spreads a lot easier than does AIDS, right?

YOu have to share a needle or fuck or otherwise have direct contact with bodily fluids for one; the other can be transmitted by being in the same general area as someone who's sick...

As stated earlier, a pandemic is a disease that is present worldwide...doesn't necessarily mean that 1/3 of the population is sick and dying. So, going by the scientific definition of "pandemic", the AIDS pandemic was not only inevitable, but has, in fact, occurred. What kind of drugs were you on in the 80s, and are they still in your system???!?

Oh my God! We are all going to die! Just like heterosexual AIDS, global warming, the Kennedy "missile gap".....why even bother? Just give the bureaucrats all power.

Take a deep breath. Relax.....breath......just breath.....

Where is the worldwide heterosexual AIDS pandemic I have been told since the 1980's is "inevitable?" Make fun of me, fine. PROVE IT!

nor have I taken biology or chemistry since freshman yr of college (shit, 6 years now!)

I always figured I was the youngest person on this blog, but with you and Zombiehunter around, I guess not.

So, going by the scientific definition of "pandemic", the AIDS pandemic was not only inevitable, but has, in fact, occurred

Going by THE definition of pandemic,it has occurred. Problem is that laypeople want to use lay-definitions when talking science and get pissed when they find out they can't do that.

This expensive program by an ex-nasa scientist ~ Bill Nelson ~ reputedly also takes out most if not all swine flues, too....whether as well as MMS Protocol ~ I don't know :>)

Ahhh more shit from Bani.

Good for a laugh, though.

Snope says true on Rumsfeld Tamiflu connections...

Good for a laugh, though.

#43 | Posted by jpw

at u?

"at u?"

Yes, Bani. At me.

No one could possibly laugh at the one pushing crackpot chemical "therapies" to complement the resonance energy therapy.

No one could possibly laugh at the one pushing crackpot chemical "therapies" to complement the resonance energy therapy.

Posted by jpw

400,000 crackpots?

"400,000 crackpots? "

Evidently.

Numbers don't mean dick. Do a proper study or admit the product is shit.

Usually, when someone pushing a product is reticent to conduct proper studies, they know the product is shit and want to continue making money.

If this was really such a life saver, this guy wouldn't be selling it online from shitty amateur websites.

Damn, that's never happened before. Must be global warming.

Where is the worldwide heterosexual AIDS pandemic I have been told since the 1980's is "inevitable?" Make fun of me, fine. PROVE IT!

BLACK heterosexual females, right?

Do a proper study or admit the product is shit.

Why bother, when you can bilk 400K crackpots out of their money and not support your claims with any sort of credible evidence.

Snake oil, crystals, and gypsy tears... chicken soup for the dumbass soul.

Not sure on the racial breakdown, 101. You could only hope. Why don't you go burn a cross for good luck?

lol didn't see that JPW had linked to the same graphic... ya beat me to the punch!

Not sure on the racial breakdown, 101.

#53 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2009-07-01 11:26 AM | Reply

I am, and it's black females. Funny you're not aware of it, and funnier yet that it wasn't obvious in your link.

Nobody wants to report facts when they make minorities look bad.

Zombie, they have been pushing this image of a billion people dying in the streets for decades. It is a fraud. They have even changed the definition of AIDS in order to keep stats up. Plus there is ample evidence the virus might not be the primary cause of all the symptoms they blame on it (e.g. the use of nitrite "poppers" in the 70's and 80's has been acknowledged as the cause of a jump in Kaposi's cancer when before it was being blamed on HIV virus).
These health bureaucrats are nothing more than fear-for-funding tapeworms.

they have been pushing this image of a billion people dying in the streets for decades. It is a fraud.

No they haven't. You're just pissed that you called ZH out and got had and are resorting to just reasserting your premise in the hopes it will be true anyway.

They have even changed the definition of AIDS in order to keep stats up.

They have? Please show links and such as to how this has occurred.

Plus there is ample evidence the virus might not be the primary cause of all the symptoms they blame on it (e.g. the use of nitrite "poppers" in the 70's and 80's has been acknowledged as the cause of a jump in Kaposi's cancer when before it was being blamed on HIV virus).

HIV denialism is just that, denialism. There is not ample evidence to support a non-HIV cause of AIDS and there are volumes of evidence backing HIV as the cause of AIDS and as a real health problem.

These health bureaucrats are nothing more than fear-for-funding tapeworms.

No, they're experts in a field you don't understand but presume to pass judgement on anyway. Of course you do realize there is plenty of debate in public health circles over these sorts of things all the time? What sort of thing to release public health pronouncements over and what not to are much debated and an attempt to balance prudent public health policy without sounding alarmist is always sought after.

Zombie, they have been pushing this image of a billion people dying in the streets for decades. It is a fraud.

Not billions. Try 25 million or so. HIV/AIDS is on par with Stalin in body count, and it isn't stopping.

Plus there is ample evidence the virus might not be the primary cause of all the symptoms they blame on it (e.g. the use of nitrite "poppers" in the 70's and 80's has been acknowledged as the cause of a jump in Kaposi's cancer when before it was being blamed on HIV virus).

Low CD4+ T cell count is the "symptom". Kaposi's sarcoma is one of the many secondary infections that tend to occur when your immune system is gutted.

These health bureaucrats are nothing more than fear-for-funding tapeworms.

And you are so completely ignorant when it comes to HIV and health policy that you have no business talking about any of these issues.

Go back to teaching sunday school, I'm sure you're decent at that.

Diablo, I don't think the medical or public health community shares in your opinions with respect to AIDS.

I don't know much, but I'm thinking the reason you don't see Kaposi's anymore is because we've since learned what AIDS is and how to fight it and to prevent the immune system from becoming so weakened that something like Kaposi's can take hold. Last I checked, about four years ago, gay men were still using poppers to ease the pain of having things shoved up their butts. I have never heard of the cancer linkage you mentioned before now.

These health bureaucrats are nothing more than fear-for-funding tapeworms.

Sooo.... what's your take on Pentagon bureaucrats? How about ATF bureaucrats? FEMA? TSA? FBI? Department of Education?

Fearmongering is an effective tool. That's why just about everybody does it. Every once in a while, there's actually something to be fearful of. Lots of people crying wolf out there, I'll certainly give you that.

I'm more afraid of some bug evolving past our defenses than a rogue nuclear state or terror cell acquiring a nuclear weapon and the means with which to transport and detonate it over an American city.

Shall we compare the death toll of the flu vs. terrorism?