Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Monday, June 29, 2009

The Supreme Court ruled 5-4 Monday that white firefighters in New Haven, Conn., were unfairly denied promotions because of their race, reversing a decision that high court nominee Sonia Sotomayor endorsed as an appeals court judge. New Haven was wrong to scrap a promotion exam because no African-Americans and only two Hispanic firefighters were likely to be made lieutenants or captains based on the results.

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Sorry, linked the PDF of the SCOTUS opinions, not the SCOTUS blog. Fixing that now:

www.scotusblog.com

It's nice to see the court agrees that REVERSE discrimination is just as wrong as discrimination...

I was suprised by this ruling. I was expecting the Justices to find in favor of the black firefighters. But I'm happy I think this a good ruling.

a very good decision.

White Guys - 1, Latinos - 0

Sotomayor shot down.

Time for the DR lefties to make uninformed comments and pretend to know why this was a bad decision.

More analysis by NRO--

bench.nationalreview.com

Justice Alito on Judge Sotomayor's Failure of Impartiality [Ed Whelan]


Here's the close of Justice Alito's concurring opinion in Ricci (which Justices Scalia and Thomas joined)*:


Petitioners were denied promotions for which they qualified because of the race and ethnicity of the firefighters who achieved the highest scores on the City's exam. The District Court threw out their case on summary judgment, even though that court all but conceded that a jury could find that the City's asserted justification was pretextual. The Court of Appeals then summarily affirmed that decision.


The dissent grants that petitioners' situation is "unfortunate" and that they "understandably attract this Court's sympathy." But "sympathy" is not what petitioners have a right to demand. What they have a right to demand is evenhanded enforcement of the lawof Title VII's prohibition against discrimination based on race. And that is what, until today's decision, has been denied them.


(Emphasis added.)


* All three justices fully joined Justice Kennedy's majority opinion.

Supreme Court vs. Sotomayor [Ed Whelan]


Judge Sotomayor thought it appropriate to use an unpublished summary order to dispose of the claims of the New Haven firefighters in Ricci v. DeStefano. Today the Supreme Court issued 93 pages of opinions in the case that Sotomayor acted to bury.


Further, although there is a sharp 5-4 divide among the justices, not a single justice thought that Judge Sotomayor acted correctly in granting summary judgment for the City of New Haven.


So Sotomayor does her opinion in 3 paragraphs and the SCOTUS uses 93 pages.

More--

9-0 Against Sotomayor [Ed Whelan]


In footnote 10 of her dissent, Justice Ginsburg, agreeing with the position that President Obama's Department of Justice took, states: "Ordinarily, a remand for fresh consideration [whether the City of New Haven in fact had good cause to act] would be in order." But because the majority saw no need to remand, Ginsburg explains "why, if final disposition by this Court is indeed appropriate, New Haven should be the prevailing party." (Emphasis added.)


In other words, Ginsburg doesn't believe that final disposition of the case is appropriate. She and her fellow dissenters therefore believe that Sotomayor and her Second Circuit colleagues and the district court were wrong to grant summary judgment to the City of New Haven.

Time for the DR lefties to make uninformed comments and pretend to know why this was a bad decision.

#7 | Posted by JOE

It was a decision.

The original case was decided in favor of the city by a white judge, upheld by an appellate panel that included Sotomayor, and then affirmed by the full appellate court in a close decision.

Now it has been overturned by a 5/4 SCOTUS decision. So obviously it is not as cut and dried issue or case as some would have portrayed it. However, the court has ruled and it is what it is as part of case law now.

pretend to know why this was a bad decision

I don't have time to read 93 pages, but it doesn't seem like a bad decision from the little I have read thus far.

Great!

Now they can Promote that dyslexic and illiterate white man who cant read a map to a position of authority!

Then, when there is a disaster, he will be impotent and helpless in his responsibility ---- Just they Way the WingDings Like it!


I hope it isn't one of your Houses or one of Your Loved Ones who will suffer because of this!

It's nice to see the court agrees that REVERSE discrimination is just as wrong as discrimination...

#2 | Posted by ATaxpayer

What is reverse discrimination? It is discrimination, pure and simple.


Time for the DR lefties to make uninformed comments and pretend to know why this was a bad decision.

#7 | Posted by JOE at 2009-06-29 11:16 AM |


Shouldn't you be in court? Or chasing an ambulance?

Is anyone on the DR more predictably stupid than Redneckville?

Ginsburg doesn't believe that final disposition of the case is appropriate.

I've already posted her decision in the VMI - Citadel case. She belongs to the social engineering clan where Jewish women seem determined to induce a matriarchal legal system. This starts with the feminist movement and their persecution of men, rationalizing that long past discrimination should be remedied with a new discrimination.

I'm going to write Kit "Bottled in..." Bond and ask him to sober up and filibuster the nomination on the basis of both racism and sexism evident in the appellate decision and her now infamous comment juxapositoning a Latina with a white guy.

I don't apologize for who I am, but I do apologize for any wrongs. At this point any excuse or apology from Sotomayor rings false from the the mere thought her blubbering it out.

You can expect the ObamaMamas to stand firm. This is the "change" they promised. The New New Newer Deal, as it were, from the mommy party. Expect the Mavens to rage.

not as cut and dried issue or case as some would have portrayed it

No, it is. We can all see the ideology and I think most people would agree that merit promotions require objective tests. Communication skills based on professional or trade terms can not be ignored. Either show a bias in the testing or STFU.


Is anyone on the DR more predictably stupid than Redneckville?

#17 | Posted by rightisright at 2009-06-29 11:53 AM |

Murphy
nanc
8roper or whatever the fuck he calls himself.

White Guys - 1, Latinos - 0

The racial tension that exists today is largely because of morons who spew this sort of shit. There's plenty of racist filth on this site, and I look forward to the day when these worms see their children or grandchildren in (possibly gay) interracial marriages.

People who see things in us vs them terms like this are mired in a worldview that should have died a decades ago.

Even the dinosaurs left behind fossils, though.

Now they can Promote that dyslexic and illiterate white man who cant read a map to a position of authority!

???

Who are you talking about, redneckshill?

The ruling couldn't be more fair:

The Supreme Court ruled Monday that white firefighters in New Haven, Conn., were unfairly denied promotions because of their race, reversing a decision that high court nominee Sonia Sotomayor endorsed as an appeals court judge.

Or do you think race should be a factor? You should have lived your life before the '60s if you think so. Race should not be a factor in a promotion. Merit and ability are the only things that matter, redneckshill. Why are you such a racist?

Sooner or later, we have to quit favoring race, anyone's race. This is a good, commonsense ruling.

No evidence exists that blacks were denied promotions in New Haven, and its too much to expect that every test has a politically correct outcome.

We have a black president.. we have a black supreme court justice, we have a black attorney general, so what? Let's get over it.

Are some people still bigots? of course they are.. and they always will be ..

For one thing, the demographic of the country is changing so rapidly now that all the applecarts are going to be upset.. blacks are quickly losing place as "the minority" and whites are quickly losing the majority. We're going to have to move past all this crap. And the sooner the better.

Merit based on skin color or race is why we as a country are where we are today.

Only the ignorant Partisans would assume that this case will cost Justice Sotomayor. The 5-4 ruling is just another case where the Republicans on the Court insist on overturning established Law. This my friends is an Activist Court. Again 4 members of the court saw the Law as clear, the 5 Republicans have decided to change the Law, I taught that Republicans wanted only Congress to create the LAW....Justice Sotomayor and the 4 Justices that agree with her should knock out this idea that she is so out of the mainstream of American Law..........4 member of the SUPREME COURT agreed with the Lower Court ruling, of course the Repubs will accuse them of being out of step, JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR will be confirmed an one more an the Court may once again represent us all....Not just the Republican Party...

Listen i am sorry this was the right choice. I have personaly never understood the "Test Favor white people". They all took the same test, they all knew what they had to study. What test show most of the time is who is willing to work the hardest, to study the most, who has the ability to quickly process the info they see. How does that work agains black People??? is it because they dont study as well as white people??? is it because they cant remember as well as white people??? is it because they cant process that level of Data as well as white people???? is it because white people are just smarter then Black people????Your answer is going to be no on all those question, so what is it. Unless you are saying black people are not capable of competing with white people on a level playing field. This test should stand.

Time for the DR lefties to make uninformed comments and pretend to know why this was a bad decision.

Four justices thought it was a bad decision. Are they pretending too?

Now they can Promote that dyslexic and illiterate white man who cant read a map to a position of authority!

if he can study and pass the test what does that say about the dullards that failed?


Time for the DR lefties to make uninformed comments and pretend to know why this was a bad decision.
......#7 | Posted by JOE

.....actually.......this member of the left has found this decision to be correct.....

.....it was a straightforward, unbiased test, the people who scored the highest, should get the promotions......

.....fairness is a two way street.......

Good decision by SCOTUS. Why wasn't Sotomayer more activist and ignore the overriding wealth of case precedent granting the city the decision contrary to the SCOTUS opinion? Stupid conservative Sotomayer. We definitely need more activist judges like Alito.

I agree with this decision too but I still support Sotomeyer for SC. Virtually every appellate judge gets overturned from time to time. I think you could still show that minorities have fewer opportunities even though much has changed in the last fifty years. Be that as it may, we need to move past affirmative action and let all people compete based on merit.

"Four justices thought it was a bad decision. Are they pretending too?"

Obviously not, since their opinion cites actual facts and case law. The typical "analysis" from our resident experts consists of irrelevant arguments mixed with some Scalia-bashing.


How's it a bad decision?

White guys passed the test, 1 latino passed, and no blacks passed at all.

Instead of passing the ones who passed and failing the ones who failed, (which seems to be the point of a FUCKING TEST TO BEGIN WITH) they said oh shit, we dont want jackson and sharpton sitting outside our doors screaming bullshit, so its too bad so sad to everyone, and no offense, but that is total bullshit however you cut it.

Loho

Blacks can't pass tests. Get rid of the tests and then you can promote blacks ahead of whites subjectively, legally and call it affirmative action. There are ways around this stupid supreme court decision.

Thom the lib

Virtually every appellate judge gets overturned

Not all of them manage to include both racism and sexism within the same comment. She's an apparatchik. She knows her rote and her mission. It is to enlighten us as to what makes a Latina Woman superior in the Law. I take exception, just as I took objection to New Haven throwing out a test without a showing of wrong or bias.

Show Me


Some tests are of course biased, but that would have to be proven to be the case, IMO. I admit to not having read this thing very closely, but it seems to me that absent proof of bias on the test, the ruling seems like the correct one.

"Sotomayor shot down." #6 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

66% of the time to boot.


Blacks can't pass tests.
........#33 | Posted by fwthom

......when you generalize negatively about racial groups, you are engaging in racism.......

......please stick to the high road, and sometimes, you will find that people may even agree with certain of your conclusions......

......in this PARTICULAR CASE, it happened that all the African Americans who took the test, did not score well enough to be promoted.....that should not be extrepolated to the extreme positions that you have drawn from this PARTICULAR circumstance.......

......even people on the left of the spectrum will agree with you that people who do best on a test of this sort, should get the job.......

......and please remember, that AFFIRMATIVE ACTION came about, because for three hundred years, people had been REFUSED jobs, based on their color, and that INTEGRATION is a relatively new phenomenon in America, and is far from complete......

Itsme, Hillbillydeluxe and jerrytarkanian.
A retard trifecta.

#24 | Posted by celisary at 2009-06-29 12:05 PM | Reply | Flag: Thinks minorities are incapable of passing the same tests as whites

We have a black president..

#22 | Posted by nmg_no

No we don't. We have a president who had a black African father and a white American mother, and was educated mostly elsewhere. His wife, Michelle, on the other hand, is the quintessential African-American woman who did well, beat the odds, and became a great success in her own right, as did others (dare I mention Condaleeza Rice?)

Obama may look kinda-sorta black, by he ain't any more black, or any less white for that matter, than Mariah Carey. Would you describe Mariah as white or black?

#40. Good post, zot. I get offended when Obama is called black. As you said -- he's not. And even if he was, what does it matter? Why do people even bring it up?


Is anyone on the DR more predictably stupid than Redneckville?

#17 | Posted by rightisright


DANNI

Blacks can't pass tests

Here is the perfect example why racial quotas exist.

Would you describe Mariah as white or black?
......#40 | Posted by ZOT

......wouldn't look up from her tits long enough to care about her tint......


Itsme, Hillbillydeluxe and jerrytarkanian.
A retard trifecta.

#38 | Posted by wisgod at 2009-06-29 12:37 PM |


You're too fucking stupid to realize that I'm saying merit should be based on brains and not skin color.

It's gotta suck be old, bitter, and living in Wisconsin.

People who see things in us vs them terms like this are mired in a worldview that should have died a decades ago.

#20 | Posted by ZombieHunter


US vs Them

Democrats vs Republicans
Republicans vs Democrats

The only believable term is US vs Congress.

I think what everyone is missing is that Sotomayer was right. She and the other judges made the right call based on precedent. SCOTUS, in a 5-4 no less, made the right decision in this case but it required a little activism. For SCOTUS, a little activism to solve this type of legal dilemma is fine. For a normal court hearing appeals (of which there are lots), it probably isn't.

It's gotta suck be old, bitter, and living in Wisconsin.

#45 | Posted by jerrytarkanian

I should clarify, shit for brains. My response was regarding "Is anyone on the DR more predictably stupid than Redneckville?'

Win, place and show, waterhead.

but on a larger scale, was does this mean 4 Soto?

DO NOT LET THAT WOMAN IN THE COURT SYSTEM.

Would you describe Mariah as white or black?
......#40 | Posted by ZOT

......wouldn't look up from her tits long enough to care about her tint......

#44 | Posted by skizziks

You're a nasty man you are.

Maybe a few years ago, looking up from her lowers... Caught her on Palladia doing her latest. She be getting rather thick. And all she seemed to do was strut to and fro and look cutesy. No longer the energy and dance she used to have.

mediamatters.org


www.drudge.com


Satomayor got it right based on Law, there was no precedent to favor overthrowing the City's actions.

The SC got it right morally (albeit in a judicially activist role)-creating the precedent that will now allow appellate courts to take what I think we all would agree more appropriate actions.

I know this is alot more confusing to many of you retards but there are the facts.



We have a black president..


#22 | Posted by nmg_no


No we don't. We have a president who had a black African father and a white American mother, and was educated mostly elsewhere.

SNIP


Obama may look kinda-sorta black, by he ain't any more black, or any less white for that matter, than Mariah Carey. Would you describe Mariah as white or black?

#40 | Posted by ZOT at


just curious, what does his education have to do with his color?

"Blacks can't pass tests"

Here is the perfect example why racial quotas exist.

Because some ignorant white guy on a blog makes a denigrating remark like that?

......wouldn't look up from her tits long enough to care about her tint......

#44 | Posted by skizziks at 2009-06-29 12:52 PM

Her boobies are the same color...





Win, place and show, waterhead.


#48 | Posted by wisgod at 2009-06-29 01:00 PM

Or to shorten it just say "wisgod".

Old. Bitter. Angry. Living in Wisconsin.

Life sucks for you.





People who see things in us vs them terms like this are mired in a worldview that should have died a decades ago.

#20 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2009-06-29 11:58 AM | Flag: Sees religious people as "us vs them"

Great comeback, itsy.

I think if the test was fair then the test results should not have been thrown out.
On the issue of Affirmative Action in general, I always find it amusing that "conservatives" who constantly blather on about "family values" and about how important the traditional family unit is, believe that the absolute destruction of the family unit among blacks in this country for 300 years should have no effect on blacks today.
"Just get over it; so what if it was illegal for your ancestors to read or get married for 300 years."

Great comeback, itsy.

Everyone who disagrees with itsy is old and bitter it seems. He's told me that a lot, too. Gee, I was crushed I might add.

Everyone who disagrees with itsy is old and bitter it seems. He's told me that a lot, too. Gee, I was crushed I might add.

#60 | Posted by goatman at 2009-06-29 01:23 PM |


No. You're old and fugly.

Now go change the channel.


BTW, itsy -- you are right. I am old. But the only bitter part of me is the part you swallowed -- how else would you know?

#61 | Posted by goatman at 2009-06-29 01:25 PM

Once again the Rig-Bitch with the gay references.


Great comeback, itsy.

#58 | Posted by wisgod at 2009-06-29 01:19 PM

No. You're old and fugly.

You got that right. I guess you can manage to spit the truth out once in a while

Now go change the channel.

Let's see what's on channel 7. Oh! It's the Itsy Bitsy Show starring a pathetic little man who attempts to fill the empty shell of his life with insults to anonymous retorters.

Sponsored by Zoloft, Lexapro, and Paxil

Once again the Rig-Bitch with the gay references.

Don't know it 'til you try it. Oh, that's right -- you already did. LOL

Hey now...without Prozac, I would have a body count to deal with. Of that I have no doubts.

Goat, everybody seems old in Itsy's world. He has the mind of a fucking 2 year old.

Glad to see the decision was made properly here.

I do have to chuckle though at the fact that the city tried to avoid a lawsuit and ended up with a supreme court case.

I think if the test was fair then the test results should not have been thrown out.

That's the issue that they got hung up about - a test can stratify test-takers by race without being biased.

It's a well-known fact that minorities perform worse on many standardized tests than whites. Why? It's not because the tests are flawed or minorities are inherently dumber. Look at the socioeconomic inequality that is rampant in our country - if minorities are born to poorer parents, tend to receive inferior educational opportunities, and are more likely to be raised in environments unfriendly to academic success, don't be surprised by an achievement gap.

On the issue of Affirmative Action in general, I always find it amusing that "conservatives" who constantly blather on about "family values" and about how important the traditional family unit is, believe that the absolute destruction of the family unit among blacks in this country for 300 years should have no effect on blacks today.

The family unit has something to do with it, sure, but there is also an issue in the wages of parents, numbers of kids, and youth culture. Parent(s) may have to work long hours at low-income jobs (b/c of low education) to provide for their kids. It gets worse if you're poor and have tons of kids - there isn't enough parental attention to go around. By "youth culture" bit I mean kids realize early on that they're caught in a vicious cycle, and that breeds a bit of fatalism. You can see it everywhere.

Fix the education gap from the bottom up (starting with kindergarteners, not colleges) and the rest will fall into line over the course of a generation or two.

I do have to chuckle though at the fact that the city tried to avoid a lawsuit and ended up with a supreme court case.

Ironic as hell!

Fix the education gap from the bottom up (starting with kindergarteners, not colleges) and the rest will fall into line over the course of a generation or two.
#70 | Posted by ZombieHunter

Deserves a second posting.

You also must stop rewarding bad choices.


Goat, everybody seems old in Itsy's world. He has the mind of a fucking 2 year old.

#68 | Posted by wisgod at 2009-06-29 01:35 PM


Another contribution from the bitter old fuck.

About time! This AA bullshit is way over the top. And hey in some cities, white men are the minority, so why don't they then get the benes of AA?

That's the issue that they got hung up about - a test can stratify test-takers by race without being biased.


That's got to be the dumbest fucking thing I've ever read.
What that logic means is, if you do not like the results then it must be biased.
All these firefighters I presume work in the same field and are subject to the same level of achievement according to their work ethic.
I would need to see the questions on the test before I would make that blanket statement.

rwd

Don't know it 'til you try it. Oh, that's right -- you already did. LOL

#66 | Posted by goatman at 2009-06-29 01:33 PM |


Go change the channel Old Man.

And comb that fucking uni brow.

The ruling could alter employment practices nationwide, potentially limiting the circumstances in which employers can be held liable for decisions when there is no evidence of intentional discrimination against minorities.

GREAT!

Zombie,
It all falls apart when you consider Asian minorities and immigrants. They don't ask for help, they don't get quotas, and yet generation after generation manage to lift themselves up out of their own hard work.

Go change the channel Old Man.

Shit. It's still the Itsy Bitsy Show starring a sad little man who attempts to fill the empty shell of his life with insults to anonymous retorters.

And comb that fucking uni brow.

We don't have any garden rakes on the rig.

just curious, what does his education have to do with his color?

#53 | Posted by truthhurts

Uhm... Nothing? Everything? I guess I don't understand the question.

Shit. It's still the Itsy Bitsy Show starring a sad little man who attempts to fill the empty shell of his life with insults to anonymous retorters.


And comb that fucking uni brow.


We don't have any garden rakes on the rig.

#80 | Posted by goatman at 2009-06-29 01:54 PM |

C'mon Gramps, you know what channel it is!

Let's see what's on channel 7. Oh! It's the Itsy Bitsy Show starring a pathetic little man who attempts to fill the empty shell of his life with insults to anonymous retorters.


Sponsored by Zoloft, Lexapro, and Paxil

#65 | Posted by goatman at 2009-06-29 01:32 PM |

LOL!

"It all falls apart when you consider Asian minorities and immigrants."

Really? When were Asian minorities and immigrants systematically prohibited from self-education?

Is there anyone who would actually fuck that skank Jillian Barberi?

We don't have any garden rakes on the rig.

#80 | Posted by goatman

I bet y'all don't even have a garden.


We don't have any garden rakes on the rig.


#80 | Posted by goatman


I bet y'all don't even have a garden.

#86 | Posted by ZOT at 2009-06-29 01:58 PM

An Octopus' Garden?

Looks like this thread has devolved into a pissing contest between Goatman--what a surprise!--and Jerry. Move along folks, nothing to see here.

oops, look at that, it's beer thirty....brb!

C'mon Gramps...

Proudly so

I bet y'all don't even have a garden.

Good point . . . LOL

Another contribution from the bitter old fuck.

#74 | Posted by jerrytarkanian

Come on itsy...shake those two marbles in that head of yours and post an acceptable comeback. br />

When you run out of shit to say, post a photo of someone else's kid.


Murphy thinks Soto was a lone judge in the original decision.


You stupid cunt. Somethings never change.

#13 | Posted by Manypaths

I agree with many paths...not on what he said but that some things never change..
like many's ability to show the retort world just what a pure asshole can sound like.

Move along folks, nothing to see here.

#88 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-06-29 01:59 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
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TRANSLATION..

any liberal fucks answer to justice

all partisanship aide.

deep in the heart of most liberals here..you KNOW this was the right decision.....dont you....


Itsme, Hillbillydeluxe and jerrytarkanian.
A retard trifecta.

#38 | Posted by wisgod at 2009-06-29 12:37 PM

....sure.
I should clarify, shit for brains. My response was regarding "Is anyone on the DR more predictably stupid than Redneckville?'


Win, place and show, waterhead.


#48 | Posted by wisgod at 2009-06-29 01:00 PM |


umm...OK


Great comeback, itsy.

#58 | Posted by wisgod at 2009-06-29 01:19 PM

These firefighters had to take a written test along with a fitness and psych test.
If there was any bias it would be there first.

rwd

TRANSLATION..

any liberal fucks answer to justice

#95 | Posted by afkabl2

That was a pretty dishonest truncation of a post there Ish.

How...

... expected.

"Is there anyone who would actually fuck that skank Jillian Barberi?"

I had to google her. Is your post a joke?

When you run out of shit to say...

Your wit leaves me speechless

... post a photo of someone else's kid.

duh. Of course she's someone else's kid. She's my granddaughter.

How'd you get to be so smart?

Fix the education gap from the bottom up (starting with kindergarteners, not colleges) and the rest will fall into line over the course of a generation or two.

#70 | Posted by ZombieHunter


I agree but I think it's hard to fix that education gap if the parents are uninvolved. Of course the parents are going to be uninvolved as long as their under-educated. I also don't think that this self-defeating cycle shows up only in minority communities. It's pretty prevelant in poor white communities, but it's okay to make fun of them because they're right. I mean look at the state of West Virginia. There are generations of poor white families who worked the coal mines and were likely the descendants of poor imigrants. They're derided for being stupid while black folks are pitied. I think it would be better to look at things from a socio-economic viewpoint rather than a racial viewpoint.

duh. Of course she's someone else's kid. She's my granddaughter.


How'd you get to be so smart?

#101 | Posted by goatman at 2009-06-29 02:09 PM | Reply | Flag: Pathetically in need of attention.

Don't think I won't crack on the kid either.

#103 | Posted by jerrytarkanian at 2009-06-29 02:10 PM | Reply | Flag: Pathetically in need of attention.

TRANSLATION..

any liberal fucks answer to justice

#95 | Posted by afkabl2

You sure are a stupid fuck, but everybody knows that already.

Blacks can't pass tests

Here is the perfect example why racial quotas exist.

#43 | Posted by 726

And that would be because, statistically, Blacks do not do as well as whites and other racial minorities on standardized tests?

Or would it because people continue to point out the fact that, statistically, Blacks do not do as well on standardized tests?


#103 | Posted by jerrytarkanian at 2009-06-29 02:10 PM | Reply | Flag: Pathetically in need of attention.

#105 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-06-29 02:11 PM | Reply | Flag:


This coming from a dumbass c**t who virtually lives here.

"This coming from a dumbass c**t who virtually lives here."

Yeah, but fortunately Goatman leaves for a couple of weeks at a time.

Sotomayer is a quota-Hispanic.

Sotomayer is racist in many of her views.

Sotomayer believes in legislating from the Bench.

To all of those things I say, so what?

Obama won.

Sotomayer is qualified.

The Senate should confirm her.

Because some ignorant white guy on a blog makes a denigrating remark like that?

#54 | Posted by goatman at 2009-06-29 01:09 PM

You really think it is limited to just one person thinking that way?


"This coming from a dumbass c**t who virtually lives here."


Yeah, but fortunately Goatman leaves for a couple of weeks at a time.

#109 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-06-29 02:15 PM


As Goat-bitch would say: L.O.L.

And that would be because, statistically, Blacks do not do as well as whites and other racial minorities on standardized tests?

That is not what he said. Go back and re read his comment then if you still believe they are equal.

Yeah, but fortunately Goatman leaves for a couple of weeks at a time

Soon to be three weeks.

Is this the same nullitrolian who as recently as yesterday claime that I am the troll? This guy who has come after me twice today unprovoked?

You should really see a doctor about that lying problem you have, troll. LOL

Now I command you to have the last word. And you will obey me as you never fail to do.

Now do it! LOL

#108 | POSTED BY JERRYTARKANIAN

You take this shit way too personally and seriously.


Don't think I won't crack on the kid either.


Pedophile

#115 | Posted by goatman at 2009-06-29 02:21 PM

Hey. I didn't post a pic of a kid.

Go change the channel and take a nap grampy.

You take this shit way too personally and seriously.

#116 | Posted by jpw at 2009-06-29 02:22 PM


Not at all.

I sit here, get high and see what kind of responses I can get out of Douchebags like yourself.

This coming from a dumbass c**t who virtually lives here.

#108 | Posted by jerrytarkanian at 2009-06-29 02:13 PM | Reply | Flag: Self-reflective

Not at all.
I sit here, get high and see what kind of responses I can get out of Douchebags like yourself.

So you have no life then?


This coming from a dumbass c**t who virtually lives here.


#108 | Posted by jerrytarkanian at 2009-06-29 02:13 PM | Reply | Flag: Self-reflective

#119 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-06-29 02:24 PM | Reply | Flag: Hit a nerve, c**t?

#121 | Posted by jerrytarkanian at 2009-06-29 02:26 PM | Reply |


you couldn't hit a nerve if you tried. I was just trolling and look at the sucker I hooked.


Not at all.
I sit here, get high and see what kind of responses I can get out of Douchebags like yourself.


So you have no life then?

#120 | Posted by jpw at 2009-06-29 02:25 PM


None at all. It's called a trust fund.

Now. Get back to work. LOL!

you couldn't hit a nerve if you tried. I was just trolling and look at the sucker I hooked.

#122 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-06-29 02:27 PM


It probably looks a lot like yourself, princess.

It's called a trust fund.


Or Welfare and Food Stamps to the rest of us.

It probably looks a lot like yourself, princess.

Posted by jerrytarkanian at 2009-06-29 02:28 PM

I honestly hope you look nothing like me. We already know you are stupid, but to be ugly too would just be cruel of G-d.

Or Welfare and Food Stamps to the rest of us.

#125 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-06-29 02:28 PM |

Sorry about your luck having to use food stamps and sucking the public teat, Bitch.

None at all. It's called a trust fund.
Now. Get back to work. LOL!

At least you're honest about it.

Love my job so it's not really work.

I honestly hope you look nothing like me. We already know you are stupid, but to be ugly too would just be cruel of G-d.

#126 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-06-29 02:30 PM |


LOL

LOL

#129 | Posted by jerrytarkanian at 2009-06-29 02:31 PM


I win =P

I sit here

#118 | Posted by jerrytarkanian at 2009-06-29 02:24 PM

Spare us your life story.

I win =P

#130 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-06-29 02:31 PM



If winning a pissing match with me makes you feel like a "winner", then good for you.

None at all. It's called a trust fund.


Now. Get back to work. LOL!

#123 | Posted by jerrytarkanian

Lazy hop-head fuck. We'll start calling you
Itsy Hilton

I sit here

#118 | Posted by jerrytarkanian at 2009-06-29 02:24 PM


#131 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2009-06-29 02:32 PM


Yes I do.

I just go for the laughs and with the "LOL" from you, I achieved my goal. It wasn't a pissing match, but a "who can make who laugh first" from my perspective. You can close to winning, but I won. =D

If winning a pissing match with me makes you feel like a "winner", then good for you.

#132 | Posted by jerrytarkanian at 2009-06-29 02:33 PM

Kanrei, I'm going to have to agree with Jerry here. He has a handicap, so don't gloat over your little "victory."

Lazy hop-head fuck. We'll start calling you
Itsy Hilton

#133 | Posted by wisgod at 2009-06-29 02:33 PM

Sharp, biting humor as always Sad Man.

Kanrei, I'm going to have to agree with Jerry here. He has a handicap, so don't gloat over your little "victory."

#136 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2009-06-29 02:34 PM


Too funny.

You are taking victory the wrong way. I have internal goals and, by Jerry typing "LOL," I achieved one. I got him to break character and, instead of another come back, he acknowledged the humor of my retort. That is a win in my book.


You are taking victory the wrong way. I have internal goals and, by Jerry typing "LOL," I achieved one. I got him to break character and, instead of another come back, he acknowledged the humor of my retort. That is a win in my book.

#139 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-06-29 02:36 PM | Reply | Flag: Doesn't "get" sarcasm.

You guys can all have enemies here, but I don't. I find value in everyone here as a poster and, while I can fight with all of you, I have fun with it and the day I take any of it personally is the day I stop posting here.

Go change the channel and take a nap grampy.

All I keep getting is the itsy bitsy show. It's just too sad to watch -- that sad little man trying to live out his lovelorn life on a blog episode after episode. I've run out of Kleenex

It's been fun ladies. I'm sure some of you have to quit stealing money from your employers and actually start to do some work.

Me?

I'm goin fishin.


Out.

I get it Jerry, I just wish you would use it properly. Sarcasm does not mean we caught you being stupid.

You guys can all have enemies here, but I don't. I find value in everyone here as a poster and, while I can fight with all of you, I have fun with it and the day I take any of it personally is the day I stop posting here.

#141 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-06-29 02:38 PM | Reply | Flag: Asshole

I am not an asshole because I can see my asshole and therefore know it is not the entirety of by being.

That was a pretty dishonest truncation of a post there Ish.


How...


... expected.

#99 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2009


in your world maybe but not in the real one..

Out.

#143 | Posted by jerrytarkanian at 2009-06-29 02:39 PM | Reply | Flag: Knows when to cut his losses

any liberal fucks answer to justice


#95 | Posted by afkabl2


You sure are a stupid fuck, but everybody knows that already.

#106 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-06-29


TRANSlATION

this kind of answer is "ALL IVE GOT" and its the best I can do....

sit here, get high and see what kind of responses I can get out of Douchebags like yourself.

#118 | Posted by jerrytarkanian at 2009


hey thats odd...me too
so have you gotten this months check from rcade for keeping this site going?

... I can see my asshole ...

Only with the aid of a mirror, I hope.

#151
LOL, yes, with the aid of a mirror.

am not an asshole because I can see my asshole and therefore know it is not the entirety of by being.

#146 | Posted by kanrei at 2009


so you can SEE your asshole can you???

are you a gymnist or double jointed or what??

or is there some sort of digusting method involving hand held mirrors or someelse maybe

uuuuuuuwwwwwwwwwweeeeeee

so have you gotten this months check from rcade for keeping this site going?

#150 | Posted by afkabl2

He said he couldn't afford to pay anyone else because you had too much overtime.

I use tweezers, a dental mirror, duct tape, a blender, two cotton swabs, a North American Bald Eagle eggshell, five assorted plastic Smurf figurines, and a coconut.

I'm goin fishin.



Out.

#143 | Posted by jerrytarkanian

Surprise, surprise. A fucking worm, going fishing.

"I sit here, get high and see what kind of responses I can get out of Douchebags like yourself."

You sound like a fucking loser. Do you even have a job?

Do you even have a job?


No, he's on welfare and food stamps, or, as he calls it, a "trust fund."

JerryFuckanian sure left in a hurry with his(?) tail between his legs.

You sound like a fucking loser. Do you even have a job?

#157 | Posted by JOE at 2009-06-29 02:49 PM | Reply | Flag: Unemployed lawyer

A fucking worm, going fishing.

#160 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-06-29 02:54 PM | Reply | Flag: Thinks itsy is the cat's meow

He said he couldn't afford to pay anyone else because you had too much overtime.

#154 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at


well good as long as I get mine

OOPS that last line sounded like I was a democrat in washington now..

sorry

well its time to go..
have a good one and I will read all of the personal attacks and general bullshit from the left later ...

hasta laredo

#162 | Posted by goatman at 2009-06-29 02:56 PM | Reply | Flag: Trolling

Great!

Now they can Promote that dyslexic and illiterate white man who cant read a map to a position of authority!

Then, when there is a disaster, he will be impotent and helpless in his responsibility ---- Just they Way the WingDings Like it!


I hope it isn't one of your Houses or one of Your Loved Ones who will suffer because of this!

#14 | Posted by Redneckvill
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I'd prefer that over having a Lieutenant or Captain that were promoted because they are black and who had lower scores. At least the dyslexic fellow knows the technical aspect of his job and will put the fire out and minimize damage to other properties.

Lonnie

"Who are you talking about, redneckshill?"


Why the Dyslexic firefighter who had to Hire Someone to Read the Textbooks and Put them on Audio tape just so he guy could memorize the test.

His name is Frank Ricci, whose name adorns the case.

But anyway, I find it interesting how many dingdongs here are eager to go to bat for a guy who shouldn't be in a managerial position to start with!

This is the guy you want "reading" a map and communication addresses in an emergency? He is going to end up getting people killed when he can't read a street name and inverts street addresses!

#164 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-06-29 03:01 PM | Reply | Flag: Still leads by 53

But anyway, I find it interesting how many dingdongs here are eager to go to bat for a guy who shouldn't be in a managerial position to start with

I don't know who you are talking about, but I am going to bat for the guy who is most deserving of the job but doesn't get it because of his skin color.

"I'd prefer that over having a Lieutenant or Captain that were promoted because they are black and who had lower scores"

Sure, that is if that "black" person scored lower because he didn't spend months memorizing the order of questions and answers that someone else had to read and record. But im not surprised that some would think that scoring hirer with a cheat sheet means they are smarter.
Shit, many here still think Bush was a good business man because he had an MBA, simply ignoring that his entire business career was one failure after another!

"spend months memorizing the order of questions and answers...with a cheat sheet"

Is there any evidence that this is what occurred in the case we are discussing?

No?

Oh, ok.

Buried in the story, but this is interesting I think:


A CBS News/New York Times Poll, conducted June 12-16, found 50% in favor of programs that make special efforts to help minorities get ahead, with 41% opposed.

Blacks score an the average one standard deviatio lower than whites or Asians on every standardized test including SAT, ACT and AFQT. One standard deviation is huge so the only way that libs could push blacks to the front of the line is by dumbing down the test or eliminating it and use racist methods and call them affirmative action. That's what they did where I worked and what Sodomizer wants to do.

"I don't know who you are talking about, but I am going to bat for the guy who is most deserving of the job but doesn't get it because of his skin color."

I don't know How on Earth you could insist that a guy, who can't read or write, has dyslexia and needed the entire test with answers recorded so he could memorize the order "deserving" of a position where people and his fellow firefighter's lives depended on (regardless of skin color)!
To me it's just stupid ---- but then again, I didn't spend untold hours here defending that other idiot who put a wrecking ball to the country either.

So this apparently is Just Your Nature (to defend white idiots who shouldn't be given the Job in the First Place)

what a funny headline. Should have read: "Court slaps Obama's SC choice."

nice attempt to bury the real story.

I would love to see a link to the "dyslexia" claim. It is not in the story.

Affirmative action wasn't designed to give applicants who weren't qualified for a job, a job they weren't qualified for. AA was designed to give minorities who were qualified an equal share of the job market, and the numbers were generally broken down by race. If your workplace was under AA jurisdiction, and the population of a minority like Vietnam Vets was 1%, then AA would like to see 1% Vietnam Vets in your workplace. However, if no Vietnam Vets applied, or weren't qualified, your workplace wasn't punished.

In short, the court made the right decision. Standards should not be lowered simply because no minority qualifies for the standards set.

The focus should be on why the minorities were failing the test.

"Shit, many here still think Bush was a good business man..."

Bush?? You still think Bush is in office?? I guess you aren't aware that he really had nothing to do with this decision. Doesn't surprise me. Poor EedAssedVille, he's so stupid, I bet he things those things they're making at the Kotex factory are mattresses for mice.

"I'd prefer that over having a Lieutenant or Captain that were promoted because they are black and who had lower scores"

Sure, that is if that "black" person scored lower because he didn't spend months memorizing the order of questions and answers that someone else had to read and record. But im not surprised that some would think that scoring hirer with a cheat sheet means they are smarter.
Shit, many here still think Bush was a good business man because he had an MBA, simply ignoring that his entire business career was one failure after another!

#169 | Posted by Redneckville
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Bullshit Redneckville. That describes your whole answer, it's bullshit! If you want a promotion bad enough, you'll crack the fucking books and study. I don't care if your black, red, white, green, or purple.

Only a idiot would resort to such a stupid answer. Obviously, you've never taken one of these tests and have no clue. First part in developing the test is to write the test straight out. Second step, a psychologist goes in and changes a word or two that would make all the of answers look good. The test takers job is to figure out which answer is the most correct. If you don't study, chances are you won't get it.

Again, I prefer someone who knows what they are doing when it comes to firefighting. LMFAO George Bush is irrelevant because he's out of office. I really don't give a shit about George W.'s scholastic achievements/failures. Your an idiot for even mentioning it. It has absolutely nothing to do with the firefighters who were racially maligned by the system your defending.

Lonnie

what a funny headline. Should have read: "Court slaps Obama's SC choice."

nice attempt to bury the real story.

#174 | Posted by slicksterWilly at 2009-06-29 03:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

You seem to forget that 4 on the court voted as Sotomayor supposedly would have voted.

With Judge Sonia Sotomayor already facing questions over her 60 percent reversal rate, the Supreme Court could dump another problem into her lap next month if, as many legal analysts predict, the court overturns one of her rulings upholding a race-based employment decision.

washingtontimes.com

Does this put her at 65% now? She's been overturned more than a bad whore, or 726 at a drunken frat party. She has no business in the big leagues.

Now I think this could weigh heavily against Sotomayor in her nomination bid to join the Supreme Court. All of the justices said that racism was involved in Sotomayor's decision. There wasn't one justice that sided with that part of her decision. Keep spinning Bob.

Lonnie

How did the justice she would be replacing vote? Would her being in on this decision have made it 5-4 the other way?


How did the justice she would be replacing vote? Would her being in on this decision have made it 5-4 the other way?

#179 | Posted by kanrei

Si.

Does this put her at 65% now? She's been overturned more than a bad whore, or 726 at a drunken frat party. She has no business in the big leagues.

#177 | Posted by cookfish
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There's another reversal brewing out there. She concluded in one decision that the constitution does not give them the right to own a firearm. If it's reversal her overturned numbers will start looking dismal.

Lonnie

#180 | Posted by wisgod at 2009-06-29 03:35 PM

Shows how important this nomination is, regardless of what side you are on.

How did the justice she would be replacing vote? Would her being in on this decision have made it 5-4 the other way?

#179 | Posted by kanrei

No. Souter dissented.

#180 | Posted by wisgod at 2009-06-29 03:35 PM

Shows how important this nomination is, regardless of what side you are on.

#182 | Posted by kanrei
--------------------
Agreed kanrei.

Lonnie

Is she replacing Souter or Ginsburg? I am probably wrong, but I thought Ginsburg was retiring also.

Is she replacing Souter or Ginsburg? I am probably wrong, but I thought Ginsburg was retiring also.

#185 | Posted by kanrei

Only Souter (so far).

Oh, thanks Sana.

Redneckville,

Nobody gave him the questions and answers. They made a recording reading the study materials in whole. That does not mean that they gave him all of the questions and answers.

In the Air Force, we had a study guide to study for tests. In the back, it gave you all of the areas and how important it is to know those areas. Does that mean they gave us the answers? Hell no. It did however tell us how much we had to know the information contained in the chapters.

Someone has lied to you when they said he was given the questions and the answers. He was given a general idea of what to study. It's not the same thing.

Lonnie

"Is there any evidence that this is what occurred in the case we are discussing?"
Are you fucking for real? He admitted to having the test and answers read aloud and recorded so he could prepare for "months" a "test" that he admitted "he doesn't do well under pressure" (sounds like Captain Material to me ---- But Only In Bush World)!

The case, Ricci vs. DeStefano, was brought by Frank Ricci, they guy who can't read but wants to be a captain.

But if anything this case shows without a doubt the activist nature of "conservative" judges.
If "activist" is determined by the number of legal precedents overturned, (even their own long record of awarding the defendants in discrimination cases) then the "conservatives" are way ahead in the "Legislation by Judicial Fiat" category!

#58 | Posted by RastaCyborg at 2009-06-29 01:22 PM

I think if the test was fair then the test results should not have been thrown out.

On the issue of Affirmative Action in general, I always find it amusing that "conservatives" who constantly blather on about "family values" and about how important the traditional family unit is, believe that the absolute destruction of the family unit among blacks in this country for 300 years should have no effect on blacks today.

"Just get over it; so what if it was illegal for your ancestors to read or get married for 300 years."


Er, Rasta, reality check. The black family unit had largely reformed and was a cohesive unit in American society until the "Great Society" programs made black men superfluous people, dissed by their women. There is a great deal of resentment by black men arising from this. Check the views expressed in rap music.

"Is there any evidence that this is what occurred in the case we are discussing?"
Are you fucking for real? He admitted to having the test and answers read aloud and recorded so he could prepare for "months" a "test" that he admitted "he doesn't do well under pressure" (sounds like Captain Material to me ---- But Only In Bush World)!

The case, Ricci vs. DeStefano, was brought by Frank Ricci, they guy who can't read but wants to be a captain.

But if anything this case shows without a doubt the activist nature of "conservative" judges.
If "activist" is determined by the number of legal precedents overturned, (even their own long record of awarding the defendants in discrimination cases) then the "conservatives" are way ahead in the "Legislation by Judicial Fiat" category!

#189 | Posted by Redneckville
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Could those questions and answers be questions and answers that he wrote based on the study materials? I believe they could. I haven't seen where anyone has given him questions and answers. I used to write questions and answers when I had to study for promotions. It proves absolutely nothing!

Lonnie

"Nobody gave him the questions and answers"


Busllshit. The guy spent Months memorizing the test --- because he cant fucking read! And what's even sadder is that even if this was an Open Book Test, they guy still couldn't pass it without a tutor reading and recording the ENTIRE TEXT BOOK (including the answers)!


I wouldn't promote a person who can't read well enough to prepare for a "test" to a position of authority in an organization that deals with life and death emergencies daily ---- that's just bad business!
You would think that some would have learned that lesson after the example of the last eight years, but apparently not!

"He admitted to having the test and answers read aloud and recorded so he could prepare for "months" a "test"

Wasn't that the dyslexic guy?

My thoughts are that if he studied hard and passed, that means the blacks who didn't pass the test could (and should) have done the same thing. They didn't. That's how tests work, in case you forgot.

BTW, Redcocosamville, nobody is arguing in favor of allowing a dyslexic person to be in a position of leadership. The argument is over whether the test results should have been thrown out based on the race of the people who passed. Whether the effect of accepting the results would have caused a dyslexic to be promoted, and whether anything should be done about that, is another discussion for another day.

#19 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2009-06-29 11:58 AM

The racial tension that exists today is largely because of morons who spew this sort of shit. There's plenty of racist filth on this site, and I look forward to the day when these worms see their children or grandchildren in (possibly gay) interracial marriages.

Wow, sweetness and light. You pronounce this as a malediction, so you recognize a homosexual or interracial relationship as a bad thing to be shunned and avoided?

I certainly wouldn't want my children or grandchildren in a sexually perverted relationship, and would regard such inclinations as a tragedy. I wouldn't want the children or grandchildren to suffer other impairments either, such as paralysis or heart or kidney disease, or what have you.

Do you identify with the idea of "gay pride," "pride" in perverted sex drives? If not, why would you wish such an outcome on anyone.

If you are not yourself a homosexual, and so have children and grandchildren or the prospect of having them, would you want them to be "gay?" Why?

Fix the education gap from the bottom up (starting with kindergarteners, not colleges) and the rest will fall into line over the course of a generation or two.
#70 | Posted by ZombieHunter

It's not that simple.

No amount of 'fixing of education' corrects the fact that an ever-increasing number of children have dysfunctional parents, well, actually it is usually parent (singular) who are disinterested in raising and educating their child.

No amount of social engineering or social justice can change that. In fact, oftentimes government's attempts at doing just that make matters worse.

"I used to write questions and answers when I had to study for promotions. It proves absolutely nothing"


Yup, he is going to have every street address and street name prerecorded so when an emergency strikes, Mr. "Tests are To Stressful" can swoop in and send his units to the wrong location!
I bet the people of New Haven, Conn will sleep well knowing this guy is ready to spring into action. I mean, he can't deal with a test but he sure as hell is going to be ready when needed in an emergency (snark)!

Redneck,

Obviously, I think your being dishonest here. I want proof that someone GAVE HIM QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS!. Until I see that, I think your full of shit!!!!!

I and everybody who's ever had to study for a test read the study materials and wrote questions to study along with the answers. Those are not considered test compromises. Realistically a test compromise is a serious allegation and in most cases can land you in deep shit! The military will send your ass to jail for a test compromise. I'm sure the New Haven Firefighters test for promotion probably has the same ramifications...we'll maybe not they're a bunch of liberal loons.

Lonnie

Yup, he is going to have every street address and street name prerecorded so when an emergency strikes, Mr. "Tests are To Stressful" can swoop in and send his units to the wrong location!
I bet the people of New Haven, Conn will sleep well knowing this guy is ready to spring into action. I mean, he can't deal with a test but he sure as hell is going to be ready when needed in an emergency (snark)!

#197 | Posted by Redneckville at 2009-06-29 04:13 PM | Reply | Flag: Retarded Deflection

Tests for promotion...that in and of itself is discriminatory.

Promotions are on merit, and forcing biased schemed tests for leadership by its very nature is unfair.

The individuals are already working for the organization, the ability and leadership can already be seen, promote the best fit...that's how it works.

#192 | Posted by Redneckville at 2009-06-29 04:08

Busllshit. The guy spent Months memorizing the test --- because he cant fucking read! And what's even sadder is that even if this was an Open Book Test, they guy still couldn't pass it without a tutor reading and recording the ENTIRE TEXT BOOK (including the answers)!


I wouldn't promote a person who can't read well enough to prepare for a "test" to a position of authority in an organization that deals with life and death emergencies daily ---- that's just bad business!
You would think that some would have learned that lesson after the example of the last eight years, but apparently not!


Okay Redneckville, you believe the particular firefighter should be disqualified because he was provided with "discriminatory help" in negotiating the test, quite possibly because of the Americans with Disabilities Act.

If he is unfit, then you would have no objection to the person next on the list being promoted? Is that right? You have no objection to the person who is fit and who tested next highest, being appointed to the position? And you have no objection to a white guy receiving the appointment, just the white guy who won the lawsuit. You are not raising a specious objection as a tactic available to dispute the reinstatement of the test results, are you? It isn't that you want the test discarded, is it?

It is ironic that most civil service exams have a "rule of three," so that the selection would have been made from the top three candidates, who were probably all white men. The dyslexic might have been passed over, quite possibly because of the weakness you mention. But now, we'll never know.

I think Redneckville has misunderstood what he's heard but the bottom line is if your not going to promote people based on tests then why test them in the first fucking place? By testing everyone, there is a understood expectation that if you study hard and make a high score then you'll be promoted. To throw away the tests just because you don't like the racial outcome of such test is bullshit!

Lonnie

Does this put her at 65% now? She's been overturned more than a bad whore, or 726 at a drunken frat party. She has no business in the big leagues.

#177 | Posted by cookfish

I guess that makes you a drunken whore. 4 Supremes supported her opinion including the justice she would replace. So it is basically a wash. And you are a partisan hack for regurgitating a rethug talking point.

#197 | Posted by Redneckville at 2009-06-29 04:13 PM | Reply | Flag: Didn't read #194

"4 Supremes supported her opinion including the justice she would replace. So it is basically a wash."

5-4 is not a wash. 5-4 means you lost.

And 58 points is game at the Redneckville Sheepshead table.

This kind of crap happens all the time in the County Offices, State Offices and Colleges. Why can't they remove the race question from all the applications and forget it! Why does every form ask for your race if it does not matter?

African American? I know a lot of Black people and none of them are from Africa?

I know a lot of third generation Asians that lived in the US.

WTF people? Every form asks for your race!

www.docstoc.com

afa Sotomayor goes:

this is shady are and she and the panel did nothing out the ordinary.

do think New haven should have certified and gone to court if challenged; on the other hand, that is not SOP under the law.

i agree with the sentiments, widely reported, that she expressed.

i have always had my doubts that she would defend individuals from the corps as much and as liberally as i would like.

but unfortunately we don;t get see who might next in line or a list. so i support her.

i also concur with those who believe that more diversity on the court is warranted and welcomed.

ok... corrections

shady areA

i do think New Haven

(her personal comments, i have agreed with)

we don't GET to see who might be next in line

Sotomayor gave me a dose of clap back in 1980........

meh... this BS:
The District Court threw out their case on summary judgment, even though that court all but conceded that a jury could find that the City's asserted justification was pretextual.

the justification wasn't pretextual it is case law, that isn't pretext.

www.uniformguidelines.com

sorry Joe, but in SCOTUS close DOES count. federal court interpretations Title VII and challenges will continue at all levels.

the city acted on good legal advice.

unfortunately, these guys have waited and will continue to wait for promotion.

the city should have a different selection process.

Murphy:
In other words, Ginsburg doesn't believe that final disposition of the case is appropriate. She and her fellow dissenters therefore believe that Sotomayor and her Second Circuit colleagues and the district court were wrong to grant summary judgment to the City of New Haven.

no, too shallow.

i was loling, Ozark, up to here:
No, it is. We can all see the ideology and I think most people would agree that merit promotions require objective tests. Communication skills based on professional or trade terms can not be ignored. Either show a bias in the testing or STFU.

got link to the test questions and oral aspect? i understand that those have not been made public. nor was the unfortunate fact that NH doesn't have a better system an arguable part of this case.

(isn't that right? i haven't read it all yet.)

Sotomayor gave me a dose of clap back in 1980........

#211 | Posted by crankeebastard

Who didn't?

Who didn't?

She didn't give it to me.

race IS a factor GOATSE:
Or do you think race should be a factor? You should have lived your life before the '60s if you think so. Race should not be a factor in a promotion. Merit and ability are the only things that matter, redneckshill. Why are you such a racist?

EEOC Uniform Employment Selection Guidelines (note, as well as others: Section 4, D)

hint: see the first sponsor link on the left. also, see: Affirmative Action
http://74.125.47.132/search? q=cache:pBHqJlAdv7kJ: www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ crs/ rs22256.pdf+Affirmative+Action +law&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari

race IS a factor GOATSE:

???

Of course it is. That is what the issue is all about. And as I said, it should not be.

so, i assume suit was never brought against NH by the minorities... will it be now?

i doubt it. i would, but that's me. nevertheless, food for thought and certainly food for new cases.

better create better promotion schemes, it ALL cost the tax payers and the individuals.

Affirmative Action isn't going anywhere anytime soon. has it been budged by this? hardly, no. has it been helped by this? probably.

Who didn't?

She didn't give it to me.

#217 | Posted by goatman

Try again.

Sotomayor gave me a dose of clap back in 1980........

#211 | Posted by crankeebastard


Who didn't?

#216 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue


She didn't give it to me.

#217 | Posted by goatman


Try again.

#221 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue


So you're saying Goat is fibbing lol?


**clap clap clap clap**

♪♪ Deep in the Heart of Texas ♪♪

So you're saying Goat is fibbing lol?


#222 | Posted by CalifChris

Nope, just saying he failed to correctly read a simple English sentence.

I want to see a racialy biased question. I'm just having a hard time think of one, let alone one that would apear on a civil service test.

GOTTRUTH

I want to see a racialy biased question. I'm just having a hard time think of one, let alone one that would apear on a civil service test.

#224 | Posted by GotTruth at 2009-06-29 06:51

I was thinking the exact same thing earlier today.

I want ONE person on here who is a minority (any race except white) to please give me ONE example of ANY kind of a test question (doesn't have to be a "firefighter's test question") which would be racially biased. Just ONE.

Waiting on you.

hey Skizzi:
.....it was a straightforward, unbiased test, the people who scored the highest, should get the promotions......

though that wasn't at issue in this case...
how do you know that?

several here have stated that like to see a "biased" test question...

first this case wasn't about that. it may yet be though.

start here:
Employment Tests and Selection Procedures

be sure to read this link fully which is inside the previous link:
EEOC Meeting of May 16, 2007 - Employment Testing and Screening

then research the history (legally and not) of selection tests used to keep blacks, especially, and other minorities off jobs and out of promotions... that is kept out by use of biased testing... it's long history.

apparently, in this case, the court said believing you may be sued is not enough. but know this: NH has been sued for same at least every decade since the 60's. and they, NH (New Haven) certainly are not alone by any stretch of imagination.

so, lots of history there.

the city should have a different selection process.

#213 | Posted by ichiro

Meaning what?

The dissent of the court stated since no one was promoted then there was no foul.

How ridiculous it is that justices are selected to the SCOTUS and they show such a lack of understanding of the law and its application.

There wasn't even charge of bias on the part of the minority applicants.This was driven by the city of New Haven.

The question before the court was- Did New Haven
discriminate against the white fire fighters in scrapping the tests?This is all the SCOTUS should have looked at.

Ginsburg's bizarre dissension statement-

"they had no vested right to promotion. Nor have other persons received promotions in preference to them."

is indicative of the battle going on today with our justice system leaning toward "legislation from the bench" and "feelings for how the law should be dispensed" instead of its interpretation and application.

If the SCOTUS was lopsided with five liberal justices this would mean that every civil service test in America would have to go before the court to be validated.

This has to stop.

rwd



Is anyone on the DR more predictably stupid than Redneckville?
#16 | Posted by rightisright at 2009-06-29 11:53 AM

I'm thinking of one.

Is anyone on the DR more predictably stupid than Redneckville?

Frank55 is a close 2nd

A 'vested' right to promotion should have no material bearing on meting out justice in this case. The expectation that a promotion would be given to one or more of the candidates who had proven themselves the best of the competition is material.

Ginsberg is pretty scary here.

Imagine how much fun we will have when she is joined by the Wise Latina?????

Reckless & Suicidal!

At least SCOTUS didn't state that "All Fireman,no matter when they lived or will live in history,including the past and future,are all "Heroes" because of 911!!! I talked to an old,long retired fire chief who said refering to 911 that "no fire dept.would ever,ever allow fireman to go into a builing that they knew was going to collapse or explode!" He said doing so would not be "Heroic" it would be seen as "Reckless and Suicidal"!!! The fire dept didn't know that the WTC towers were going to fall down or they would not have gone in there in the first place! That they got caught in WTC collapse doesn't make them heroes it just makes them other victims!!!

There is a serious problem here, and that is that blacks as a group just won't qualify for competitive positions based on intellectual acumen if competing with Asians or whites. Thom pointed out the discrepancy in an earlier post.

Unfortunately, this seems to be a genetic factor, which is consistent regardless of background with children of privileged blacks also scoring poorly compared to others. Americans have been conditioned to deny the existence of gene clusters, and respond that there is only one human race. True. But there is only one "race" of dog, and these range from a pit bull to a chihuahua so the "one race" idea is fallacious on its face. Somehow we admit to obvious physical differences resulting in skill sets so that blacks of East African descent hold all of the world's sprint records. We have East European Ashkenazi Jews subject to the BRAC 1 and BRAC 2 genes which predisposes an inordinate percentage of them to breast cancer. There are innumerable examples of differentiation, and blacks as a group not possessed of the ability levels of others on a statistical basis, but nevertheless having "individuals" who qualify in most areas. Parenthetically, blacks are absent from the leaders in the "hard" sciences, such as physics and chemistry, and biology, and also are absent from preeminence in mathematics.

The explanations for absence of blacks because of a history of exclusion is specious. Anecdotally, the children of my grandfather's Chinese laundryman for whom English is a second language, and who was essentially semi-literate, had two become university professors, and one become a pharmacist. I always really liked him because when I was a small kid, he always gave me dried lichee nuts. My former wife's grandfather came to the Philippines at age 7, a child alone, and survived as a street ragamuffin, educating himself so that he was literate, and becoming a multi-millionaire trader, who had large blocks of land, family compounds, and what have you, as well as his businesses. By the way, his grandchildren also prospered, one female M.D., one female R.N., one male PhD, and my wife who had an M.S. in biochemistry. As they say in horse racing, class will tell.

We are concerned only in the "middle zone" where an effort is made to integrate blacks so that they do not exist as a subgroup separate and apart, and visibly not participating in activities across the culture.

The fiction embraced by the courts and by society that failure of blacks to participate proportionate to numbers in various activities is evidence of "discrimination" is a false premise. But our society has been indoctrinated with the idea that this false premise is true. Discrimination did exist, but is now non-existent in that overall, the architecture of our society provides benefits and untoward opportunities for blacks. Implicit in the idea of "affirmative action" is the thesis that "disparate treatment" of blacks is necessary for the group to fully participate in most levels of societal endeavor from which they would largely be excluded if merit were the criterion.

Our Constitution did not envision these differences. But they exist. The problem is that inclusion of blacks is necessary to reduce bases for conflict within the society. The society has done this through sham and pretense by postulating "discrimination" rather than inferior abilities as a group as the reason for disproportionate failure of blacks to participate and achieve numerical parity.

Eventually through interbreeding, the marked inferiority of blacks will disappear. But it is necessary to have brighter blacks in a position ot mate with whites so that the intelligence of their offspring is increased, and there is a levelling in society with blacks not conspicuoulsy appearing as unable to achieve.

In the interim, possibly several generations, it is necessary to provide positions for blacks based on finding levels at which they can perform and absorbing them into institutions at various levels even if it compromises the efficiency of the operations.

And keep in mind that it is a matter of adaptation to the environment, and who is better adapted than a black athletic seven footer, who qualifies as a professional basketball player and may earn tens of millions of dollars per year in salary and endorsements. So it may be the intelligent person without such skills, who is less well-adapted to this society. Give it a break.

The question is how to integrate blacks with the least fanfare and the least obvious discrimination against others, who qualify under existing standards to the exclusion of blacks. How should it be done?

#231 | Posted by boojiboy at 2009-06-29 08:56 PM

Ginsberg is pretty scary here.

Imagine how much fun we will have when she is joined by the Wise Latina?????


Imagine Ginsberg when her Jewish guilt complex kicks in and she observes that the wise Latina really needed disparate treatment to qualify for appointment to the Supreme Court.

Maybe Ginsberg can point to Sotomayor in her decisions as a salient example of "disparate treatment" enabling "a person of color" to participate despite lack of equivalent ability. Sotomayor is aggressive in her support of bias, and Ginsberg's guilt will bring her a complacent ally. Unless of course, Sotomayor is her usual obnoxious self, and alienates her fellow Justices. Sotomayor is a shoo in since it's the ideology that counts, not the lack of competency or the racial bias. As a poster noted, it's the election results that count.

Oh, my former wife's grandfather was Chinese.

still have seen a question the was worded as to be "Racialy Biased". Looked at the links in #226/227 but it seems to me that is was speaking to the use of the Top page of something like the SATs or ACTs where you declare your ethnic back ground, Sex, and age.

No one could answer my #225.

I didn't think so.

my wife who had an M.S. in biochemistry

bah masters are for pussies.

I want ONE person on here who is a minority (any race except white) to please give me ONE example of ANY kind of a test question (doesn't have to be a "firefighter's test question") which would be racially biased. Just ONE.


If Leroy is pimpin' in da 'hood and Shaniqua pulls three tricks for $25 each gets 15%, how many hits of crack can she buy at $5 a hit?

The answer is 2.25 hits of crack cocaine, BTW

masters are for pussies.

Pussies are for masters

Pussies are for masters

bachelors and doctors like them, too.

bachelors and doctors like them, too.

hadn't thought about it that way.

And before anyone who actually has a masters gets pissed, I'm only kidding (you pussy).

245 posts on this???
You know, the legal aspects of affirmative action, diversity and such do not bug me anywhere near as much as the social ones.
A college professor decides a white male evangelical Christian is not going to get any more than a lukewarm recomendation for grad school because a gay female leftist student far more captures his social favor.
Is that bigotry? Yes. Do the people who favor diversity call it that? No.
I favor most affirmative action laws. I profoundly condemn social prejudices that screw people out of a future because they are not politically correct. That is oppression on a scale with the Klan. And that is left wing bigotry. It steals food from the mouths of otherwise qualified young people.

Is that bigotry? Yes. Do the people who favor diversity call it that? No.

Or it's because his home "schooling" left him educationally retarded.

And that is left wing bigotry. It steals food from the mouths of otherwise qualified young people.

No, that's bigotry period. What do you think caused some to feel the need to swing to the extreme that produced this case?

JPW! Congratulations. You just admitted it was "extreme" (your word, not mine).
And why are all those homeschooled "retards" winning the national spelling and geography contests?

#239 | Posted by jpw at 2009-06-30 12:02 AM

my wife who had an M.S. in biochemistry

bah masters are for pussies.

I agree even though it was in a "hard science" rather than some liberal arts area. But I didn't marry her because she had a credential. Being a male chauvinist I married her because of her looks and the way she moved. Chinese and Spanish and Filipino blood, a striking Eurasian.


JPW! Congratulations. You just admitted it was "extreme" (your word, not mine).

Because it is. I used the word because I wanted to.

What exactly is your point?

And why are all those homeschooled "retards" winning the national spelling and geography contests?

Because their parents force them to live pathetic sheltered lives where memorizing obscure word spellings, Greek and Latin roots and the capitol of Southcentral northwest bumblefuck is fun.

Any other questions?

Yes, JPW. One question. Where in the hell did your sense of humor go?
BTW, I took Latin and marvel at the ignorance (not stupidity, ignorance) of those who did not.
Good day!

#238 | Posted by CalifChris at 2009-06-29 11:55 PM

No one could answer my #225.

I didn't think so.


I know the argument, Chris.

We may not be able to identify the way a particular question or the totality of the questions on the exam discriminate, but we have postulated that as we are all members of the human race, capability is distributed equally among people of all groups.

Now work from the postulate, Chris. Our limited knowledge may preclude us from determining why blacks and/or other minorities did not perform as well as others, but it is a logical conclusion given the postulate, that something is amiss in the test if the results don't establish black/minority parity. Disproportionality in distribution is irrebutable proof of the failure of the test to be valid.

Now if you deny the postulate, the rejoinder will be a succession of pejoratives presented seeking to demean you as you deny the premise, which is postulated, which proves you support the idea of inequality between and among groups, which is not in accord with cultural norms.

You do know that because of the misleading results of testing, may institutions of higher learning have abandoned tests as a screening device, regardless of the fact that they predicted school success. In fact, as Sotomayor's skill sets demonstrated, if you are a minority, you may not express profound thinking that permeates your being in a way that enables you to be evaluated properly, so allowances are made for your inferior presentation and performance. And say if I am an Ebonics speaker, the fact that you don't understand my primitive mode of expression is not reason you should punish me. Instead you should enhance the grade by interpolating your own thoughts evoked by my writing and grading me on what you know.

It's the postulate, Chris. Acknowledge the postulate as controlling and your question is irrelevant and immaterial.

#250 | Posted by jpw


You don't know jack-shit about homeschooled kids or their parents.

Reverse discrimination is like 'reverse pregnancy'... there is really no such thing... it is discrimination or it is not. The law is clear that any person or group of people can be discriminated against.

This has been an interesting read. 3 people on this thread (at least) have it right. Sotomayor applied settled law and precedence, along with every other Judge that ruled on this case - up until the SCOTUS.

Not going to go into whether the original SCOTUS decision was right or not (1971), what today's SCOTUS did was judicial activism.

Predictably, that's glossed over in this case since many seem to think it's correcting a bad decision, or, less cynically, things have changed enough to warrant such a reversal.

It gets worse if you're poor and have tons of kids

ZOMBIEHUMTER

A good post!
I have heard it said, "if you can't feed them, don't breed them." It sums it up nicely.

Some people should realize they cannot afford the luxury of procreating and responsibly choose the option of not breeding.

The lib apologists for black low test performance are crawling all over this thread like bums at a homeless shelter.

Their logic is more convoluted than Sodomizer's legal opiniond.

Yes, JPW. One question. Where in the hell did your sense of humor go?

Haha I don't know. It was late?

BTW, I took Latin and marvel at the ignorance (not stupidity, ignorance) of those who did not.

I bet it is quite apparent to one who is knowledgeable. I had to learn some of the roots when I was taking the GREs and was surprised by some of it, although I quickly forgot it all once the test was done.

Good day!

Good day to you too!

You don't know jack-shit about homeschooled kids or their parents.

It was tongue in cheek, JeffJ.

I'm sure many homeschooled kids do just fine while others don't (just like other kids surprise surprise).

According to Jesse Jackson the whole test must be biased chris. He's especially angry that the SC hasn't corrected years of slavery and segregation.

In other words, he's pissed jobs can be based on merit. to many, including most of the dr left, it's about entitlement.



Testing is over-rated. They are culturally biased in favor
of straight white christian males. It's racially-rigged.

Be Well.


So Sotomayor voted to uphold discrimination. So what? Discrimination has been the official policy in this country for decades, and its proponents claim that it is "good." If you have a problem with discrimination, contact your political representatives, local, State, and federal, and describe your position. Don't omit college admissions offices in your quest for answers. Don't worry, nothing will be done to rectify the situation. But do ask your representatives what the bases are for supporting discrimination against "you?"

Please post your answer here, since rationales are hard to find nowadays.

Well ...

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