Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Monday, June 29, 2009

I want to hear from Doc or JPW about how he always bounces back to 60% approval rating.

I also want an explanation for why his dissapproval has inflated to a solid 35%
.....More than 1 in 3 Americans want this guy OUT.


Gallup has Obama losing 13 points in approval and gaining about 14 points in dissapproval -

This is by far a larger swing towards disatisfaction in the first 5 mos. than GWB ....

GWB bounced around from about 55- 60 % approval throughout his first five months.

He certainly did not have a long steady downslide like Obama does.

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Obamafail.

Oh-BOMB-uh

I don't expect a big lib turn out to this thread this time.

Proably because the libs have conceded his approval ratings are dumpsterward.

it is rather unfair to compare Obama's first 5 months with W's. Obama was handed a seriously f'ed up economy with a couple of wars to manage.

W, had to what, deal with some missing letters that his staffers ripped off the keyboards? plus he had to ignore OBL.

As for Obama, I for one am frustrated in that he is not not doing more, that he is not pushing through a very liberal agenda. However, please dont get me wrong, I am infinitely happier than I would be with McFailin in office.

it is rather unfair to compare Obama's first 5 months with W's. Obama was handed a seriously f'ed up economy with a couple of wars to manage.

#4 | Posted by truthhurts

But this should be fertile ground for his approval ratings to soar, then, right???

His approval is 22 percent higher than his disapproval, and you're declaring his presidency failed? It's going to be a long four or eight years for you, Roper.

Any president who inherited the recession that Obama did would now be losing some popularity among the know nothings of this country. They expect him to wave a majic wand and create new jobs to replace the ones lost during the last 30 years. It will not happen overnight.

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His approval is 22 percent higher than his disapproval, and you're declaring his presidency failed? It's going to be a long four or eight years for you, Roper.

#6 | Posted by rcade

Mr Cadenhead you are not good with the "maths" are you :

His approval is actually 37 PERCENT higher than his dissapproval - don't sell your boy short!

(he is 22 POINTS out of 100 higher in approval - but his approval rating is 37 PERCENT higher than his dissapproval rating)

Any president who inherited the recession that Obama did would now be losing some popularity among the know nothings of this country. They expect him to wave a majic wand and create new jobs to replace the ones lost during the last 30 years. It will not happen overnight.

#7 | Posted by danni

But Danni - no fair! cuz the whole magic wand thing is what he campaigned on!

Hey - we got robbed, huh?

He didn't lower expectiations until after the election, but before inauguration - remember???

SO i want what he campaigned on!
Where's the magic wand ?????


His approval is 22 percent higher than his disapproval, and you're declaring his presidency failed? It's going to be a long four or eight years for you, Roper.

#6 | Posted by rcade

His approval/disapproval ratings at this point are largely meaningless. He's 6 months into his presidency - a lot can happen in the next couple of years, positive and/or negative, that will shape public perception as his re-election bid looms.

Let's look at the timeline:

Just over 4 years ago...

State Senator....then.....
Senator....then....
Challenger to Hillary....then....
Challenger for POTUS to McCain....then....
POTUS

That is a HUGE jump in a VERY short time for a guy with very little leadership experience under his belt.

Most of his political life has been defined by his ability to successfully deliver a prepared speech. To date, he's been successful in that regard.

However, presidents tend to be defined more by their actions and decisions than their rhetoric.

Even a fawning and protective media can't forever shield him from that truism.

He seems to be in perpetual campaign-mode.

Hell, I don't necessarily expect him to do something in response to every challenge he faces - I just expect him to be able to articulate why doing nothing makes sense - something he has failed miserably thus far in regards to Iran; doing nothing is OK, but articulate why you are doing nothing, or SAYING nothing, for that matter.

#10 | Posted by JeffJ

excellent -

(and BTW North Korea, too..... what's up ...)

Most of his political life has been defined by his ability to successfully deliver a prepared speech. To date, he's been successful in that regard.

No, his political life has been defined by his ability to organize and mobilize people. He won the presidency by getting millions of people to buy into his campaign and hit the streets and phones in support of him. I live in swing state Florida and was called or visited a dozen times during the campaign by Obama, compared to zero times by Kerry people and zero times by Gore people in earlier elections.

Obama outworked Clinton and outworked McCain. And he'll probably outwork the Republicans for four years and put himself in a strong position for re-election.

People who think he's just an empty suit good at making speeches are underestimating him.

and you're declaring his presidency failed?

#6 | Posted by rcade

feel free to edit me and ad a " ? " to the end of the title, if U want ....

People who think he's just an empty suit good at making speeches are underestimating him.

#12 | Posted by rcade

Fine RCADE we will concede he is also great at knocking on doors and asking for votes ....

You are correct no empty suit here.

#12 | Posted by rcade

Fair enough.

But the broader point still stands - as POTUS, his actions and decisions will define him; not his flowery rhetoric.

Here's a great quote from Mark Twain that is applicable..

"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it."

Which is he?

wolf in sheep's clothing - so I guess the former in your Twain quote

But the broader point still stands - as POTUS, his actions and decisions will define him; not his flowery rhetoric.

True. No matter how much a lot of the mainstream media likes him, that infatuation will fade. He'll have to prove himself like any other president.

Six months is early. Obama's approval is declining slowly, but I think he'll either ultimately sink or rise with the economy.

ATTENTION LIBERALS GEORGE BUSH IS NOT THE PRESIDENT, OBAMA/GOD is giving you the CHANGE you voted for like the ENERGY TAX disguised as CAP and TRADE. When your electric bills and fuel cost double I am going to be laughing my ass off...

When your electric bill doubles just remeber "no new taxes not one dime" ...

SUCKERS...

When your electric bill doubles just remeber "no new taxes not one dime" ...

SUCKERS...

I know I sound like a broken record, but the Obama presidency is a rerun of Jimmy Carter's. The parallels are astonishing.

NMG,
This person who voted for Obama agrees with the Carter analogy. I just hope Obama sees it too and can turn it around.

Oh yeah.

Six months in and the man's a failure.

Lemme guess, you idiots voted for the Bushling.

Twice.

Oh yeah.

Six months in and the man's a failure.

Lemme guess, you idiots voted for the Bushling.

Twice.

#24 | Posted by jerrytarkanian

That voting twice stupid joke is so old I swear I though i had clicked on an archive link when i read it.

YES I voted for Bush twice - so how does this relate to Obama's approval going into the toilet ?

please help me make the connection -

I was wrong to vote for Bush twice - and now Obama has the largest drop off in approval in recent history of POTUSes -

I am having trouble making the connection

Help me out.

True. No matter how much a lot of the mainstream media likes him, that infatuation will fade. He'll have to prove himself like any other president.

Six months is early. Obama's approval is declining slowly, but I think he'll either ultimately sink or rise with the economy.

#18 | Posted by rcade

I think you're enthusiam towards Obama has possibly cooled a little bit- reading that post.

Or am I mistaken you maybe never really where enfatuated like some.

#25 | Posted by 8roper

I should have said " in the first five months "

after "largest drop off in approval"

I am having trouble making the connection

Help me out.

#25 | Posted by 8roper


Liberals are at a lose, they have voted for a socialist but just can not admit to it. The fact the polls are changing is a sign that some liberals are waking up and see Barry for what he really is, a socialist with an agenda which will destroy this country. Unemployment is up and worst of all CAP AND TRADE is the largest TAX increase ever conceived...

"Attention...George Bush is not president...."

I'd say he is for as long as we are in Iraq.

"A socialist with an agenda that will destroy this country...."

I agree with some posts above, six months is too early to note much about Obama, save that he remains widely liked and admired.

To the extent that y'all are SERIOUS about Obama being a disaster and feel you're being ignored----Now you know how I felt for seven years with The Big Bad Bush in power.

Oh, the irony.

On the one hand, you rightwing knuckle-draggers want Bush to be "judged by history", and Obama has been in office for less than 6 months and he's failed?

Have a steaming cup of shut the fuck up.

Just think, only 7 1/2 years left to go.

Ha ha!!!!!

"Attention...George Bush is not president...."

I'd say he is for as long as we are in Iraq.

#29 | Posted by Zed

So you would apply the same "LOGIC" to all wars including the cold war, in that case either Kennedy or IKE should be President...

Hell, I don't necessarily expect him to do something in response to every challenge he faces - I just expect him to be able to articulate why doing nothing makes sense - something he has failed miserably thus far in regards to Iran; doing nothing is OK, but articulate why you are doing nothing, or SAYING nothing, for that matter.

#10 | Posted by JeffJ

then you havent been listening, he is handling Iran during its current crises as well as could be expected. Iran is attempting to blame the US and if he had done what the Repubs asked for, early and agressive action against the regime, it would have been nothing but propaganda for Iran

"So you would apply that same logic to the Cold War..."

I think the Russians created the Cold War. I blame them for it. I credit presidents starting with Truman (and one Pope) for ending it successfully.

Have a steaming cup of shut the fuck up.

#31 | Posted by LetUsPrey

AHHH the Irony of it all, I am enjoying a nice cup of I told you so...

But I'm sorry---Iraq is and will always be Bush's War. It's like a dog he got at the pound, found out chewed his furniture, and has now left at the corner for someone else to feed.


On the one hand, you rightwing knuckle-draggers want Bush to be "judged by history", and Obama has been in office for less than 6 months and he's failed?


#31 | Posted by LetUsPrey

Turn about is fair play.
You on the left obviously think Bush is a failure -and that is why bush supporters say let's see how history judegs him.
Therefore I am perfectly in line to say Obama is a failure - and I expect you to say - let's see how things progress -

I don't think the outlook for your guy having a favorable outcome is too rosy , though
everything points toward destruction of the economy with this guy -

so to add to Rcade's point:

Obama's approval is declining slowly, but I think he'll either ultimately sink or rise with the economy.

#18 | Posted by rcade

.....you can see Obama does not stand a chance seeing how he is ass raping the econmy left and right - especially withg cap and trade and heathcare now thrown onto the table.

I am doing you libs a favor - once a week or so, I post the sinking polls and I emplore you to jump OFF the bandwagon -
I am giving you a chance to save face early here -
nooone wants any of it.
You are making a big mistake.
take the opportunity I am giving you.

implore

But I'm sorry---Iraq is and will always be Bush's War.

It may be the war Bush started and basically screwed up every chance he had, but it is America's war tragically and, as President, Obama has inherited it and it is now his to win, lose, or do what Dubya did and drag his feet until the next President can take over and get the blame.

Just think, only 7 1/2 years left to go.

Ha ha!!!!!

alternative, McBush and Palin

nuff said.

Many on the left criticize Obama for not doing enough:

Getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan
Cutting the defense budget
Raising taxes on the rich
National Health care

to name just a few

Obama is unfortunately turning into a slightly more moderate Bush.

Of course if we had McBush in the white house, odds are better than 50-50 we would be at war or approaching war with Iran.

Just think, only 7 1/2 years left to go.

Ha ha!!!!!

#32 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-06-29 11:27 AM | Reply | Flag: Said same thing in June, 1977

#37 | Posted by Zed

Obama takes on all responsibilities the moment he is sworn into office that's just the way it is. Obama also has the power to order an immidiate withdrawel if HE WANTED TO...

Put your money where your mouth is Goatman or shut the fuck up.

Your choice.

"How he is ass-raping the economy right and left...."

Er, when did that rape begin? Was it January last or sometime prior to that? Just curious.

No, more than just curious. We've got kids coming here to compare Bush, who went into office with the world at his feet, to a man that's attempting to keep the house from burning down.

It's just silly.

Any president who inherited the recession that Obama did would now be losing some popularity among the know nothings of this country. They expect him to wave a majic wand and create new jobs to replace the ones lost during the last 30 years. It will not happen overnight.

#7 | Posted by danni at 2009-06-29 10:06 AM

Much of the super-urgent stimulus bill won't take effect until 2010, and banks are still failing despite the bailouts. Waving a magic wand to fix the economy is more akin to thinking that a stimulus bill or banking handout will save us all. Instead, I expect him not to propose extremely costly measures that aren't designed to accomplish their stated intents, and in that respect, he's failed miserably.

"Obama has the power to order an immediate withdrawal if he wanted to...."

Let's ask 8ROPER how he personally would have responded to an immediate withdrawal from Iraq for a start.

Notice how anyone who thinks Obama has failed thought Bush was a good President.

The comedic value alone is worth the price of the ticket!!!!!

It's nice to see that Obama has failed to comfort the morons in this country. By the looks at their comments here, he is batting 1000% in my book!!!!!

You're pissed, the rest of us dance with glee!!!!

Don't

You

See?

Ha ha!!!!!

Put your money where your mouth is Goatman or shut the fuck up.

OK. My money is that you do not have the ability to predict the future and know the political climate in 2012, know what the economy will be like in 2012, know who will be Obama's opponent in 2012, or even if he will be alive in 2012.

I say you cannot predict the future. As you said, put your money where your mouth is or shut up. How much money are we talking about? I'm game.

As for Iraq being an "American" war now and not only Bush's---It was that the instant the first GI left his family to go there.

The Glorious Fourth approaches. My money says Bush stays away from VA hospitals. Any takers?

I didn't say "now" Zed. Don't ad words to my post. I said It may be the war Bush started and basically screwed up every chance he had, but it is America's war tragically which clearly means it was America's war under Bush as well.

Obama has the power to order an immediate withdrawal if he wanted to...."

Let's ask 8ROPER how he personally would have responded to an immediate withdrawal from Iraq for a start.

#48 | Posted by Zed

what does it matter how I would react? Obama doiesn't give a shit

but I can tell you - I am not sure how I would react , but I certainly EXPECTED it to happen -

after all the promises ......

does it sting a little, zed?

I predict Obama in 2012 just like I did when you made some childish comment above.

So, no money up, I expect you to shut the fuck up now little rig boy.

"What does it matter how I react....?"

Indeed. Now tell us why you post here....

what does it matter how I would react? Obama doiesn't give a shit

#53 | Posted by 8roper

Neither do the rest of us but that doesn't stop you.

But you are correct, NOBODY GIVES A SHIT WHAT YOU THINK.

But hey, I needed something to point and laugh at today anyway so thanks!

"Does it sting a little, ZED..."

Not at all. I was reading people like you advancing exactly the same sort of propaganda more than a year ago. I could almost tell you what blog you consider home. It's not this one.

libs are missing this-

because Obama is handling the war in Iraq along the EXACT SAME path that W handled it ;

it argues that, perhaps it is the best course of action for the situation as it is.

Obama is not changing ONE IOTA of the handling of the war -

so while the decision to go in in the first place can farily be placed on Bush and called a fuck up;

the handling of the war given the way the whole sutuation developed is probably being handled well by Obama, as it was handled well by Bush .

So, no money up, I expect you to shut the fuck up now little rig boy.

Don't get your expectations too high! LOL

What does it matter how I react....?"

Indeed. Now tell us why you post here....

#55 | Posted by Zed

whoah! slow down there chief, you had your cock out of your pants begging for my attention in your #48.

I post here because you love to hear my viewpoints

as illustrated by your #48

"Obama is not changing one iota of handling the war..."

Anyone else out there want to take this one? Let me. Bush wanted a permanent and major military presence in Iraq as a platform for action against Iran.

There was years of neoconservative crowing about this very fact. It was considered a sign of Bush's geostratigical brilliance.

But you are correct, NOBODY GIVES A SHIT WHAT YOU THINK.

#56 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-06-29 11:50 AM | Reply | Flag: But read his post anyway

"You had your cock out of your pants..."

You can tell that through the computer screen? You must indeed be a neoconservative.


But you are correct, NOBODY GIVES A SHIT WHAT YOU THINK.

But hey, I needed something to point and laugh at today anyway so thanks!

#56 | Posted by Manypaths

This guy is another one.

hey did you know the liberal gallup poll has obama at 57% and he was at 70 % just after the inaug?

wanna get your head out of the sand and stop deflecting with " nobody cares what fredo says"
deflections?

you know the tax cuts have not even expired yet!

your guy is TOAST!

"I come here because you love to hear my viewpoints...."

You come here because the moderator tolerates you. If I adopted the least bit of your content or tone in one of your favorite blogs I'd be banned.

h wanted a permanent and major military presence in Iraq as a platform for action against Iran.


#61 | Posted by Zed

oh BOY do I have some news that's gonna shock you......

Bush wanted a permanent and major military presence in Iraq as a platform for action against Iran.

#61 | Posted by Zed at 2009-06-29 11:53 AM

Obama's stance on Iraq has always been to leave a "residual force" there. Keep pretending that's different than a permanent military presence.

"Major" military presence. Someone complained about adding to posts, I suppose I can complain if something is ommitted.

Having said that, the difference between what Obama wants and what Bush wanted is stark. Any real argument?

I could almost tell you what blog you consider home. It's not this one.

#57 | Posted by Zed

You come here because the moderator tolerates you. If I adopted the least bit of your content or tone in one of your favorite blogs I'd be banned.

#65 | Posted by Zed

something tells me you think you know me from another blog but I guarantee you don't .

I absolutely guarantee it.

"I absolutely guarantee it...."

I know thee nonetheless. You must think you're complex.

hey did you know the liberal gallup poll has obama at 57%
your guy is TOAST!

#64 | Posted by 8roper

He won the election with 53% nimrod.........

If held today, he would widen his margin of victory by over 4 million votes.

Toast? You should retake math..........

Hey, only 7 1/2 years to go.........seems like a LONG time don't it?

Ha ha!!!!

funny how some are arguing obama and bush are the same.

tommorow accomplishing the 1st Obama step in Iraq, removing our forces from the Cities.

hey did you know the liberal gallup poll has obama at 57%
your guy is TOAST!

#64 | Posted by 8roper

He won the election with 53% nimrod.........

If held today, he would widen his margin of victory by over 4 million votes.

Toast? You should retake math..........

#71 | Posted by Manypaths

Manypaths your post #71 is a frame-able all time monument to stupidity on Drudge Retort.

Obama polls at 57% approval COMPARED TO NOBODY ELSE

see? and an election would PIT HIM AGAINST SOMEBODY ELSE as an option for people to vote for

so you and cock starvis can drop it now.

its apples and oranges -

Bush won an election with a 45% approval rating.

You should check out history after your math class.

Your argument is severly flawed.

But I understand how you wouldn't know that.

Hey, only 7 1/2 years to go.........seems like a LONG time don't it?

Ha ha!!!!

#71 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-06-29 12:01 PM | Reply | Flag: Said same thing in June 1977

I know thee nonetheless. You must think you're complex.

#70 | Posted by Zed

Oh not at all.

I am obviously very proud of my communicating my viewpoints in a very uncluttered and straightforward manner

Nobody can argue that.

Having said that, the difference between what Obama wants and what Bush wanted is stark. Any real argument?

#68 | Posted by Zed at 2009-06-29 11:59 AM

Bush / McCain had the same withdrawal plans as Obama. The rest is just rhetoric designed to appease their voters. Keep pretending.

Goatman,

You can't even name a contender.

Go lube something. You have to be better at that.

I am obviously very proud of my communicating my viewpoints in a very uncluttered and straightforward manner

Nobody can argue that.

#76 | Posted by 8roper

"Obama's approval rating is over 50% so he is toast!!!"

Just to make sure that you know what you are 'communicating'.

(Maybe you can see why so many people laugh at you when you try.)

#74 | Posted by Manypaths

backpeddling and ignoring what you said won't help you.

You said that Obama is polling at 57% approval - and you say it means he would win 57% of a vote in an election -

here it is:

He won the election with 53% nimrod.........

If held today, he would widen his margin of victory by over 4 million votes.

Toast? You should retake math..........

Hey, only 7 1/2 years to go.........seems like a LONG time don't it?

Ha ha!!!!

#71 | Posted by Manypaths

God don't you feel stupid???

you think that because in a poll about a singular president's approval he gets 57% approval, that he would win an election with 57% of the vote

just STOP. you are completely embarassing yourself.

You know what they say about people who are forced to laugh at their own words Goatman........

Hey, it's you, not me.

Bush / McCain had the same withdrawal plans as Obama

wow.

You know what they say about people who are forced to laugh at their own words Goatman........

I'm laughing at yours, not mine. LOL (at manypaths)

you think that because in a poll about a singular president's approval he gets 57% approval, that he would win an election with 57% of the vote

#81 | Posted by 8roper

No, history (Should you decide to look at it one day) shows that someone with an approval rating of 57% would win an election by 60% or more. Feel free to educate yourself on it Jack Ass.

Bush won almost 51% of the vote in 2004 with an approval rating of less than 45%.

These are facts.

Your lack of knowledge and logic is showing.

Hey Goatman,

"President Obama"

Ha ha!!!!

"President Obama"

Ha ha!!!!

Yes, he is indeed a joke to be laughed at.

#81 | Posted by 8roper

Who is feeling stupid now bitch?

Manypaths.. I always try to guess someone's age and background based on their posts..

I'm guessing mid to late twenties.. living with your parents.. correct?

For 7 1/2 more year Goatman.

Care to bet?

100 bucks. Mail it to RCADE if you're man enough.

Care to bet?

Nope. I'm not stupid enough to bet on something 7 years in the future that has as many variables in play. It could very well be Obama. I never said it wouldn't be. But I think in your celisary type hysteria you assumed I said that.

I will however bet $100 that you have no way of knowing for 100% sure that he will be re-elected in 2012. No need to mail the money to rcade -- you can send it straight to me because that is a bet I obviously win.

So your comment that I said the exact same thing when I was 6 meant what exactly?

(And just for my own edification, who in the hell was predicting that Carter was going to win a second term?)

Bush / McCain had the same withdrawal plans as Obama

wow.

#83 | Posted by truthhurts at 2009-06-29 12:13 PM

Residual force - Troops left in Iraq, non-combat role

100 years as long as no one's getting hurt - Troops left in Iraq, non-combat role

There may be some fine-point differences, but as far as I can tell both planned to leave some troops in Iraq.

(And just for my own edification, who in the hell was predicting that Carter was going to win a second term?)

Many people. I heard it a lot -- especially after the Camp David peace accords Carter brokered. (the highlight if his presidency IMO. That was a good one and he gets a lot of credit) However, I didn't think to keep a log of everyone who said that so I cannot answer your question.

I think you're enthusiam towards Obama has possibly cooled a little bit- reading that post.

I'm disappointed that Obama has failed to close Gitmo and instructed his DOJ to defend indefinite detention and keep firing gay soldiers under don't ask, don't tell. But overall, I still approve of the job he's doing and am hopeful that his administration can revive the economy.

PS on #94. I remember one. Kim Maloney. He was a fellow shipmate when I was in the Navy and hard core democrat. I think Frank Zirolli (an Operations Specialist on the USS Montgomery) said the same thing too now that I think about it.

He won the election with 53% nimrod.........

If held today, he would widen his margin of victory by over 4 million votes.

#71 | Posted by Manypaths

There it is in black and white.

Not only do you equate his poll numbers directly to a hypothetical election result - you also seem to think that every 1% of presidential approval score equates exactly to one million votes in an election.

you should feel very,

VERY, stupid.

No it is you that is being stupid here.

You're suggesting that even though people approve of him they wouldn't vote for him.

That is pretty stupid, considering the opposite is closer to the truth. That people, even though they disapprove with his performance will still vote for the incumbent as detailed explicitly with my 2004 example.

Bush JOB APPROVAL RATING = 50%

I see now that I could hit you upside the head repeatedly with these facts and you still wouldn't understand.

You define stupidity in your display here yet you fail to see it.

I get it. You're fucking dumb.

Something didn't stick....

Bush JOB APPROVAL RATING = LESS THAN 45%
Bush election results = GREATER THAN 50%

Not only do you equate his poll numbers directly to a hypothetical election result ...

How many people would say, "Yes, I approve of the job Obama is doing, but if the election was held today I would not vote for him"?

Enough with being rational RCADE. Some people can't handle too much of that at once........

No it is you that is being stupid here.

You're suggesting that even though people approve of him they wouldn't vote for him.

#98 | Posted by Manypaths

Dont put words in my mouth it will not help you come back from the horrible buring I have applied to you.

I did not ever say that people approve of him but they would not vote for him

I said YOU THINK that because he is at 57% approval rating, he would get 57% of the vote if an election were held.

you said that.
you cannot change it.

you have to live with it.

you said that he would get 4 million more votes than the votes he got when he won 53% of the vote in the election

You own that statement.

never mind me -

nice try , but its about your stupid coment., not what you "think" I am trying to say.

you are burned again , please go home.

How many people would say, "Yes, I approve of the job Obama is doing, but if the election was held today I would not vote for him"?

#100 | Posted by rcade

possibly a lot.

If you are on the phone answering a pollster and they ask

"So do you approve of the job obama is doing?"

many people will say

"Uh yeah I suppose"

but a LOT of those very same people, when the election rolls around - are likely to look at ANOTER CHOICE -- and who knows who that other choice is, and say - wow I would rather have this other person, I like what they are saying better than what Obama is saying.

where is the big leap here?

there isn't one

you cannot say that because he has a 57% approval rating now that he IS president, that it means he would win 57% in the next election .

that is what Manypaths said.

its just utterly stupid.

RCADE you should move this thread to the front page now - come on it has been a while since you caved and put a fredo/8roper thread there.

i asked you to put a "?" at the end of the title if you thought that would be more fair.

It's easily the biggest back pager today -

come on RC! - show that you are not a

"partisan hack" , as they call it here, and put me on the front page.

I said YOU THINK that because he is at 57% approval rating, he would get 57% of the vote if an election were held.

you said that. #102 | Posted by 8roper

No I didn't.

you cannot change it. #102 | Posted by 8roper

You did.

See, you are still confused.

If his approval rating is 57% he would win more than 57% of the vote based on the information I have provided. Feel free to provide your own.

But, it is clear, as I and RCADE have pointed out that you think that even though someone approves of his job performance, they would not vote for him.

We got it.

I agree RCADE.

If 8 demands having his ass handed to him on the front page, let it be.

Include in your headline:

"OBAMA IS TOAST WITH OVER 50% JOB APPROVAL......."

See how funny it sounds when you sound it out?

"OBAMA IS TOAST WITH OVER 50% JOB APPROVAL......."

See how funny it sounds when you sound it out?

#106 | Posted by Manypaths

It does not sound as funny as:

"Obama is Toast with 70% Job Approval -"

like I posted in early February .

Ouch, huh?

If I take the carzy stance of Rcade and Manypaths in this argu,ment I can say this:

his approval number in January was 64%

and he won the election with 53% of the vote.

less people, MANY less people, approve of him now than when he won 53% of the vote.

how's that float your boat

his approval number in January was 64%

and he won the election with 53% of the vote.

less people, MANY less people, approve of him now than when he won 53% of the vote.

See, your problem is with facts, not me.

(psst.......the election was in NOVEMBER. Just wanted to make sure that you knew that as you seem to be very confused.

So, would you like to go back to discussing how Presidential Job Approval Ratings equate to votes or should we stick with history lessons?

his approval number in January was 64%

and he won the election with 53% of the vote.

less people, MANY less people, approve of him now than when he won 53% of the vote. - 8R

See, your problem is with facts, not me.

(psst.......the election was in NOVEMBER. Just wanted to make sure that you knew that as you seem to be very confused - Manypaths

NO i said I was taking your stupid point of view on the argument - but you did not paste that part of my post -

So, would you like to go back to discussing how Presidential Job Approval Ratings equate to votes - Manypaths

Yes! You think Presidential job approval poll equates directly to how many votes a candidate would get in an election!

here is your post:

He won the election with 53% nimrod.........

If held today, he would widen his margin of victory by over 4 million votes.

Toast? You should retake math..........

Hey, only 7 1/2 years to go.........seems like a LONG time don't it?

Ha ha!!!!

#71 | Posted by Manypaths

"How many people would say, "Yes, I approve of the job Obama is doing, but if the election was held today I would not vote for him"?"

John McCain

FF for Joe

AT the time of this post, this thread , by me, has more posts than anything on the front or back page .

Yet it won't be moved to the front page.

The DR is in lock step with the obama -fawning media -
Obama has seen the last of approval ratings in the 60's - he is steadily declining - but this will not go on the front page of DR.

It's just so unpleasant

Either that or Rcade hates 8Roper
I would not be shocked.

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"AT the time of this post, this thread , by me, has more posts than anything on the front or back page .

Yet it won't be moved to the front page."

You should sue Rcade, whiner.

The DR is in lock step with the obama -fawning media -
Obama has seen the last of approval ratings in the 60's - he is steadily declining - but this will not go on the front page of DR.

It's just so unpleasant

#114 | Posted by 8roper at 2009-06-29 02:17 PM

Half the posts are from you.

Why should your inane babblings be front page news?

I have to wonder how 8 would rank George W Bush as a President.

Or do we have to wait 50 years to judge his presidency?

The reason this isn't on the front page is because 8 is a joke. Nothing more.

yeah I am such a funny joke, manypaths, that you posted on this thread of mine ELEVEN times, despite the fact that I keep administering a horrendous ass beating on you - including with this post.

GRoper discussing the merits of patting ManyPaths' ass is enough to put this on the front page.

(and BTW North Korea, too..... what's up ...)

What's up is that Obama, thankfully, appears to be showing restraint when challenged with sabre-rattling.

His only fumbles so far, in regards to Iran and NKorea have been in regards to articulation (quite surprising given his oratory skills).

Fuck them both.

Bring them on, quite frankly.

If either of those 2 moronic states thinks they can play a game of chicken with our military might - bring 'em on.

This is perfect.

Under Bush, these cowards had to resort to stateless entities to carry out their whims.

If they perceive Obama as "weak", all the better IMO.

Waging war against a stateless enemy is extremely difficult. Given our might, waging war against an Iran or N. Korea, as a nation, insulates us from claims of "disproportionate casualties" and "human shields becoming collateral damage" and ANY other shitty-tactic that is employed by our enemies and lapped up by the useless idiots - the left.

The biggest threat we face is a government such as N. Korea or Iran becoming nuclear and managing to put a small nuke into the hands of a stateless terror organization. If they were to do so, and blow up a big section of Boston in the process, the lefties would be all up-in-arms wanting to protect the rights of these animals, and shit. However, if a long-range missile is launched, that isn't shot-down, by, say, Iran, then lefties would have no problem going in there and turning their sand into glass and making Farsi an extinct language. However, if say Iran, were to arm a terror cell and said cell was to nuke a red-state city, say..Houston, the left would be all up-in-arms over any kind of retaliatory response. In fact, the left would decry any kind of reasonable attempt to go after those who were really behind the attack (I am not talking about the expendables who were behind WTC'93).

In short, I feel a softer approach is pragmatic - it emboldens our enemies to deal with us in the open in lieu of hiding behind statless organizations - less flack from the left when dealing with a nation-state then when dealing with a stateless terror organzaion that the left seems to love so much.


I have to wonder how 8 would rank George W Bush as a President.

#119 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-06-29 02:35 PM

Superduperfantabuloussuper.

I have to laugh at anyone that would declare a presidency failed after five months.

Sheesh.

blow up a big section of Boston in the process

As long as they took the Bruins out I would be okay with it.

the lefties would be all up-in-arms wanting to protect the rights of these animals, and shit.

I see you put your partisan garanimals on today. The whities are a little too tight it seems.

I also want an explanation for why his dissapproval has inflated to a solid 35%
.....More than 1 in 3 Americans want this guy OUT.

Hold on to your horse's dick there, buddy. You've got a few more years of Barack Hussein Obama to go, and I'm sure you're going to want something to squeeze to relieve the stress of the coming months.

Oh, yeah, I fucking called him by his name. Hussein. Hussein. Hussein. What's the big fucking deal? It doesn't bother me. Does it bother you?

Hey Jeff,

What do you believe would be the "lefty" response if Dollywood were blown up?

How about a Kenny Rogers Roasters?

Disapproval does not equal wanting him OUT. If polled, I would say I disapproved of the job he has done thus far, but I am not for kicking him out of office. I am for letting him know we do not support his current agenda and hope he will default back to what we elected.

I think the vast majority of the left would say "what blew up? You mean even SHE had a theme park? NO, really?"

What a stupid thread, yep obama is a failed president.....LOL!

Hold on to your horse's dick there, buddy. You've got a few more years of Barack Hussein Obama to go, and I'm sure you're going to want something to squeeze to relieve the stress of the coming months.

Oh, yeah, I fucking called him by his name. Hussein. Hussein. Hussein. What's the big fucking deal? It doesn't bother me. Does it bother you?

#125 | Posted by ZombieHunter

Seriously man, are you OK?

I have to laugh at anyone that would declare a presidency failed after five months.

Sheesh.

#123 | Posted by 726

Welcome to the club!

I dunno Many...I knew Bush was a failure after 5 minutes. I hoped I was wrong, but it turns out I wasn't.

5 months into his, Bush hadn't really fucked anything up.

His second act though.................. what a fucking doozy!

As long as they took the Bruins out I would be okay with it.

It's very easy to spot a Sabres fan.

The whities are a little too tight it seems.

I wear underoos.


I have to laugh at anyone that would declare a presidency failed after five months.

Sheesh.

#123 | Posted by 726

Welcome to the club!

#130 | Posted by Many

No shit.

All the polls are racist.

libs are missing this-

because Obama is handling the war in Iraq along the EXACT SAME path that W handled it ;

umm Tough to decide where to start with your brand of tripe...

But seriously...you have to be fucking kidding right? After read this Bullshit I have to laugh at your total disregard for any concept of REALITY.

Yet you are a perfect BushCo fanatic. In total denial of the facts just like he was/is.

I will keep it short and sweet for you. Obama has focused on getting us out of Iraq and Bush was determined to get us into Iraq (and lied the Big LIE to do it). And you can't see the difference? In addition, Obama is determined to CLOSE Gitmo in spite of the many legal hurtles that Bush had mined the playing field with making it near impossible (which was exactly his plan I think). I believe he will close Gitmo very close to when he says he would too in spite of what Rcade thinks.

Bush was a redneck Yosemite Sam who insulted the intelligence of the world with his "bring it on" brand of warmongering and Obama is diplomat who speaks Hope to the world. And you cannot see the difference?

How sad for you.

I cannot even fathom how you can consider Obama anything remotely like Bush except that as President achieving things that you promise as a candidate can become way more complex than the campaign that got him there can ever consider explaining in Faux News type sound bites.

Hope and change and tax increases for all.

SUCKERS

Seriously man, are you OK?

Perfectly. I'm fairly ambivalent toward Obama at the moment. He's not had enough time to fail, for sure. Most of his time has been spent cleaning up the previous administration's messes. The majority of the rightwing drivel I've read on this site is mindless.

Anyway I'm not the rightwing fanatic who thanks god for every mushroom cloud-free sunrise since Barack Hussein Obama's election (oh, yeah, his middle name is Hussein and the overwhelming majority of people don't care).

You're the loon here. Don't forget that.

I want to hear from Doc or JPW about how he always bounces back to 60% approval rating.

How nice of you to include me.

Given he's bounced back above 60% the other FIVE times he's dipped below, there's statistically a good chance he will bounce back again. If he doesn't, so what, high 50s is still a comfortable place to be.

I also want an explanation for why his dissapproval has inflated to a solid 35%
.....More than 1 in 3 Americans want this guy OUT.

As has been pointed out, disapproval does not equate to wanting him out.

Also, when he fist took office there were 20% of respondents who presumably answered "undecided." Now there is only 8%. How much you want to bet most of those in the beginning were people who wouldn't say a good thing about Obama EVER? They just didn't have some made up thing to bitch about yet.

This is by far a larger swing towards disatisfaction in the first 5 mos. than GWB ....

GWB bounced around from about 55- 60 % approval throughout his first five months.

He certainly did not have a long steady downslide like Obama does.

OK, I'm going to say this slowly.

If Obama has the "long steady downslide" to Bush's numbers, that means HE WAS HIGHER THAN BUSH TO BEGIN WITH. Let me say that again-HE WAS HIGHER THAN BUSH TO BEGIN WITH.

It's absolutely laughable you bring up GWB as if it's some profound point when Obama's lowest numbers to date ARE AS GOOD AS GWB'S.

I am doing you libs a favor - once a week or so, I post the sinking polls and I emplore you to jump OFF the bandwagon -

Are you going to post the ups too? Call me crazy, but I don't think we'll be seeing a thread about "Obama's numbers skyrocketing" if they go back above 60%. (Still joke Live or Die, relax)

Obama takes on all responsibilities the moment he is sworn into office that's just the way it is

So Bush IS responsible for 9/11 then?

So Bush IS responsible for 9/11 then?

#142 | Posted by jpw

YES - insofar as the follow up handling of the situation- Yes he owned dealing with 9/11.

To say that the development of the plot occurred on his watch, though, would be incorrect.

BTW JPW,

your comments about how Obama is in a slide but his numbers are still SO MUCH better than Bush.

That's great, but he is still in downward trend in the first 6 mos the likes of which Bush did not approach.

It is clear my point was not to say Bush started out more popular- he did not.
My point was that the popularity obama did have was easily lost when reality set in.

and where is your side kick and band leader Doc Sarvinson?

"He (Obama) is still in a downward trend the likes of which Bush did not approach...."

Bush was a caretaker and little more the first nine months of his presidency. I thought he was bored. He never stayed in Washington that much.

Easy to like a prez when nothing's shaking. It's natural Obama's numbers would decline, given they were so high to start with, and given he has REAL issues to deal with that effect everyone that might be asked to provide a poll number.

I agree with someone above---Obama rises and falls on the economy. If the recession leaves us next year, he'll have a second term.

Zed the Obama sheep were posting on D.R. EVERY day about "HOW POPULAR he is" ..... "66% approval rating" ( a few weeks ago) ........" we really have a President that Americans are all behind now"

etc etc

My posts about his approval rating dropping is in direct response to all of that B.S.

The more you get to know Obama and see him in action - the less attarctive he becomes.

I contrast this to Bush only to show that at least with Bush- you got the true face value.
people who voted for Bush did not immediately after the inauguration look at Bush and say - hey this guy Bush was full of shit and broken promises and leave him in droves.
He did not lose 20% of his approval in the first few months.

the only thing more wierd from this thread is that not only do libs not see what he is doing.....worse yet...there have actually been some people telling us he hasnt done enough

gees a lou....

I know its only been 6 months which makes it even worse

deficit going from less than 2% to almost 14.....

and he hasnt done enough?????

I want to hear from Doc or JPW about how he always bounces back to 60% approval rating.

Yet again, you should avoid looking at your own link.

Twice you've posted this sort of thread, twice he's bounced back to 60%.

Suck it you bitch and don't forget to give the balls some attention.

I'll understand if you again go silent on the topic for the next week and look forward to the next 59% thread.

Twice you've posted this sort of thread, twice he's bounced back to 60%.

Suck it you bitch and don't forget to give the balls some attention.

#149 | Posted by jpw

not sure why you are blathering on in a state of cunfusion and rage...but, uh ...

60%?
on Gallup?
the RCP?

where?

don't hurt yourself trying to figure it out, son.

where?
don't hurt yourself trying to figure it out, son.

Gallup as showed by the very link you provided.

Don't hurt yourself thinking, son.

well if you are happy with the liberal gallup poll giving obama a big 2 percentage point BOUNCE BACK to 60 % (LOL!) then you are someone to feel sorry for.

Because Gallup updates their poll every day, we will see tomorrow.

Yes trust me I will be back when he is at 57% again, with another thread because it would mean he has forever fallen below a 60% barrier- or Barry -er

Face it.
This Presidency is in the toilet.

FLOOOOOOSHH !

"Face it. This Presidency is in the toilet."

So was Bush's Presidency "in the toilet" the entire time his numbers were below 57%, or do you reserve judgment like that only for guys with a (D) after their name?

well if you are happy with the liberal gallup poll giving obama a big 2 percentage point BOUNCE BACK to 60 % (LOL!) then you are someone to feel sorry for.

followed by

Yes trust me I will be back when he is at 57% again, with another thread because it would mean he has forever fallen below a 60% barrier- or Barry -er

Nice self-retorting retort genius.

Start feeling sorry for yourself now, you'll finally be joining the club.

And I could actually give two shits about poll numbers. I just like egging you on to keep the idiocy going.

NO you give a shit

that's obvious

you give so much of a shit that you personalize all of this

You will be personally hurt next week when he is at 55 or 54 or what have you.

and that is why I put these threads up.
To try and help you Obamaties break free and give you an out - a chance to jump off the obamawagon

LOL

I never considered the possibility that this is all satirical. In which case, keep up the good work.

Satirical would be if I was a liberal dem making fun of some imaginary rightard named 8roper .
I am not being satirical
I actually want Obama to be unsucessful in his agenda - to put it in the not so eloquent words of Limbaugh - I want Obama to fail - which means - i want his agenda to die, i don;t want personal grief and failure for the man.
But let me say that most people here do not see the angle I come from when i post here .
This is all about75% tongue in cheek - I like to be over the top to induce reactions but most people would jump on me for that..... and i have been called a BS-er and cursed out for being slightly disengenuous .

I do come from the same basic viewpoint of 8 roper - but I like to overdo it for my own weird laughs.

BUt I am not full of shit or a liar- I just go a little too far on purpose.

look at the thread title

"failed presidency"

I mean come on!

people say

oh how can you be so stupid as to call it a failed presidency ???
8 roper you really think it's a failed presidency ????-

um,

no.

I actually want Obama to be unsucessful in his agenda - to put it in the not so eloquent words of Limbaugh - I want Obama to fail - which means - i want his agenda to die, i don;t want personal grief and failure for the man.

So 8roper wants to grow up to be a 8NOPER or GOP dead end loser!

Nice aspiration. Couldn't aim higher than a level one Rethug LOSER huh? Oh well, I guess if you think that will work for you go for it bro. It seems to have made Bush Rimjob a big wad of cash though I doubt you will be able to cash in on it like he did.

AS for me I am going to go with Hope and Change. Kind of has a nice ring to it. Oh yes we can! AS for your numbers all they show is that "New Car Smell" fading a bit as the reality of how much BushCo has really Fucked US sinks in.

AS for me I am going to go with Hope and Change. Kind of has a nice ring to it. Oh yes we can!

#161 | Posted by donnerboy

Oh my God you embarassing fool

FF

I'd like to see the approval ratings for the GOP leader. If they had one.

Hey, righties. You lost. Big time. Get over it.

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