"used a $703,000 grant to hire two physicians and four support staffers"

Ask those 6 people if the spending is stimulating the economy. That is 6 new jobs created. 6 people who are going out and spending that money and helping to create additional jobs.

That is 6 new jobs created. 6 people who are going out and spending that money and helping to create additional jobs

What you are describing is 'trickle down economics'. Historically this has been scoffed at and ridiculed by many on the left.

"used a $703,000 grant to hire two physicians and four support staffers"

Those 6 people were unemployed?

"What you are describing is 'trickle down economics'."

No it isn't. Trickle down would be tax cuts for rich folks who were then expected to go out and spend all the money they saved. Unfortunately they didn't.

No it isn't. Trickle down would be tax cuts ...

???

You are wrong, Danni. Trickle down is exactly what johnny described. It is the economic theory that money spent benefits someone else. That is exactly what Johnny described.

Tax cuts have nothing to do with the basic concept of trickle down, but they can have an effect on it.

Ask those 6 people if the spending is stimulating the economy. That is 6 new jobs created. 6 people who are going out and spending that money and helping to create additional jobs.

#1 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce
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Not really, unless you assume the grant will be there in the years to come. When a private-sector job is created, it's funded by production and enterprise, not having a continued lobbying presence on Capitol Hill to keep the largess flowing.

Spending $700K to hire 6 people is NOT how the stimulus was sold.. you're assuming in the first place the doctor was unemployed? Not likely..

And what's the point of this? It isn't to stimulate anything, its redistribution in a sense.. paying for health care for those that can't or won't pay. And, its a zero sum game.. it doesn't create wealth.

There are arguments for doing that re helping the poor, but don't call it stimulus.. anymore than keeping deadbeat government workers employed is a stimulus..

Its a false economy.. tax cuts are a much more efficient way of creating jobs.. this is just liberal bait and switch economics..

These kind of add-ons have been included in both the Bush and Obama stimulus bills.

$12.8 trillion spent in one year, and some of you are upset about this pittance spent helping the poor? Are you serious???

Its a false economy.. tax cuts are a much more efficient way of creating jobs.. this is just liberal bait and switch economics..

#7 | Posted by nmg_no at 2009-06-29 10:27 AM

We all know what happened after eight years of Bush tax cuts.

"Tax cuts have nothing to do with the basic concept of trickle down, but they can have an effect on it."

Simply put, you are just wrong.

"""Trickle-down economics" and "trickle-down theory" are terms of political rhetoric that refer to the policy of providing tax cuts or other benefits to businesses and rich individuals in the belief that this will indirectly benefit the broad population.[1] The term has been attributed to humorist Will Rogers, who said during the Great Depression that "money was all appropriated for the top in hopes that it would trickle down to the needy."[2]""

This story is about a $1.3 million grant in a $787 billion stimulus package -- less than one-5,000th of the entire stimulus. Suggesting that the entire stimulus is just "a government program for the poor" is misleading, given how small this grant is.

Unfortunately there are probably a lot more cases like that. The whole program was a misnomer. Some of the money was meant to put people to work, A LOT of it was for basic subsistence.

if the taxpayers don't provide medical coverage for the parasites, how else will they be able to multiply and provide us with more crackheads and parasites in the future

The federal government will dole out $276 million in Medicaid assistance to Maryland residents as part of its stimulus package,and that's just one state,jobs created=0,it never was about jobs and the middle class tax hikes are just around the bend.

Speaking on ABC's "This Week," David Axelrod declined to repeat Obama's "firm pledge" during the campaign that families making under $250,000 would not see "any form of tax increase, not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes."

"When a private-sector job is created, it's funded by production and enterprise, not having a continued lobbying presence on Capitol Hill to keep the largess flowing."

"Some" private sector jobs involve production and enterprise but in the "service economy" we were sold by the corporate outsourcers jobs don't really involve producing anything. Most of the private sector jobs "created" in the last 20 years in the US don't create anything, they are just different employers hiring different people to do the same jobs other employers did before with different employees.
Walmart "creates" lots of jobs but virtually every one of those jobs existed in a different form with a different employer before Walmart erected their superstore. Probably, it could be statistically shown that Walmart actually produces a net loss of jobs due to the higher efficiency of distribution based on scale.

You are wrong, Danni. Trickle down is exactly what johnny described. It is the economic theory that money spent benefits someone else. That is exactly what Johnny described.

Tax cuts have nothing to do with the basic concept of trickle down, but they can have an effect on it.

#5 | Posted by goatman at 2009-06-29 09:40 AM | Reply |

Ignore reality more Goat. Maybe your right and tax cuts having nothing to do with the concept.

But the concept as applied in reality did in fact have tax cuts to the rich, that in fact were never spent.

And I hate to tell you this, but you were being "liberal" just now.

since when did it become the governments job to provide these types of services?

BTW: trickle down comes from the private sector not government

But the concept as applied in reality did in fact have tax cuts to the rich, that in fact were never spent.

This has nothing to do with trickle down. Trickle down is a different concept than tax cuts. As I said before, tax cuts affect trickle down, but they are two different things.

And I hate to tell you this, but you were being "liberal" just now.

Yes? I have admitted I have some liberal concepts and some conservative ones. Just don't tell null or shawn. They can't comprehend that someone can espouse concepts from both sides. Their heads might explode if they knew

Riiight Goatman, anything you say. Hard to admit being wrong isn't it. YOu rarely, if ever, do.
This time you are, I proved it to you, admit it or not, I don't care.

This time you are, I proved it to you,

???

Whatever Goatman, I did, the link is right up there, all you got to do is click on it. You make me laugh because of your NEED to not be proven wrong. I've been proven wrong before, quite a few times in my DR history, it didn't hurt me. It's OK. We don't hate you because you got something wrong.
But, I know you. You'll just keep on and on and on because you can't stand it when someone proves something you say is wrong. You probably worry about it. I never do.

I did, the link is right up there, all you got to do is click on it

OK. After paging up, I see it. You should have been clearer and referenced it. I don't read all your posts or even all posts on a thread after I've been away a few hours.

BTW, you are wrong again. I've admitted being wrong many times. But since you see me as far right, those posts probably didn't past your anti-right brain filters

Nor do I worry about anything anyone says here to or about me. It's just a fucking blog for christ sakes. I don't care what people think of me IRL even. Why would I care about a bunch of strangers? I'm kinda surprised you would think otherwise to be honest.

This is great news. I have no problem paying some extra in taxes to benefit the poor.

The mobile dental and medical clinic is just one aspect of the stimulus. As has been shown doctors are employed. Were they employed before? Most likely--but their positions opened up, and other doctors from med school moved in where there were no openings before. The equipment costs money--which stimulates business, and that money goes on to other companies who spread it again and again. Service techs are required. The people being helped have a better chance of finding employment. To only look at one aspect of this package and say you have given a complete picture of the effect of this stimulus expense it misleading.

"This story is about a $1.3 million grant in a $787 billion stimulus package -- less than one-5,000th of the entire stimulus. Suggesting that the entire stimulus is just "a government program for the poor" is misleading, given how small this grant is.

#11 | Posted by rcade

AS USUAL bullshit on rcade. This is just an example of how the whole stimulus bill is wasteful government spending. How many 'shovel ready' projevcts are being built in your state? What good are they? How will they help?

No answer? HA just like the lie about "how many jobs I've saved" obama.

The left's hero, the Zero, talks about new opneness, bi partisanship, new responsibilities, lie after lie after lie.

The zero, you know the one who laments that are children are not bi lingual, when he speaks only english. Or the zero "...is unable to quit smoking entirely, but emphasizes the role of preventive medicine and healthy lifestyles in his radical health-care reform initiatives."

Or the zero "....calls for racial transcendence and an end to racial identities even as he excuses Judge Sotomayor's clearly racialist belief that race and gender inherently make one a better or worse judge. Obama, the healer, jumpstarted his own political career through religiously listening to and subsidizing the racist hate-speech offered by the charlatan Reverend Wright.

Or the zero who "Obama deplores Wall Street greed and CEOs who take junkets to the Super Bowl and Las Vegas, even as he serves $100-a-pound beef, flies in his favorite pizza maker from St. Louis, and goes on a lavish "date" with Michelle to New York. Philosopher-kings accept certain protocols for themselves, others for the less sophisticated knowing that if most people tighten their belts in time of recession such parsimony is good for the country, but it is irrelevant to the occasional indulgences by an all-knowing elite."

Clearly, DAVETHEWAVE is still angry about losing the election.

Clearly, DAVETHEWAVE is still angry about losing the election.

???

Clearly. *snark*

What does this have to do with stimulating the economy?

It seems that a Canadian couple gave birth to a premature baby this weekend in Hamilton, Ontario. Since Canada is just another Third World Hellhole where brain surgery is done with a 16" Poulan and a 6-pack of Moosehead, its not exactly a shock that NOT. ONE. SINGLE. Neonatal Intensive Care Unit (NICU for short) bed could be found for the child. I know what you're thinking: Russ, they couldn't find one single NICU bed available in the City of Hamilton for this baby? NO. They couldn't find one single NICU bed available for this baby in the entire PROVINCE of Ontario. You know, a PROVINCE? Sort of like a STATE, only 196% more ghey?

Luckily, Canada just happens to be the mildly retarded cousin of the United States of America; and like most families, we look after each other - even if the slow relatives are complete window-lickers who eat their own boogers in public. The baby was brought to Buffalo, NY, where she is enjoying the fruits of America's evil profit-driven health care system. If this was the end of the story, I'd be willing to smile and wish the happy hosers well with the addition to their family; however, as Paul Harvey used to say, there is ..... the rest of the story.

That is 6 new jobs created. 6 people who are going out and spending that money and helping to create additional jobs.

#1 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2009-06-29 08:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

I am sure that I am not the first one to say this but ...what about when this money runs out.
another intitlement on top of a zillion dollars worth of others...and dont for one moment think that there will be some sort of industry built on this..........and of course who will stuck with it..

me and you of course and/or specifically the tax payers of colorado...

AH BUT YOU SEE>.that shit doesnt matter. only thing that matters is that libs FEEL GOOD NOW

Ask those 6 people if the spending is stimulating the economy. That is 6 new jobs created. 6 people who are going out and spending that money and helping to create additional jobs.

#1 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce

You're kidding right?

Medical jobs are hard to find?

not here in houston

at least not before the energy industry is dismantled....

in sunday paper there is two complete sections on jobs available and at least 4 or 5 full newspaper pages are nothing BUT notices in the medical field
AGAIN>..at least at the moment, before obama is allowed WRECK IT

This is great news. I have no problem paying some extra in taxes to benefit the poor.
#24 | Posted by jackass

Jackass you've always been able to give the government more taxes to benefits the poor...if you care so much why haven't you been giving more?

This is great news. I have no problem paying some extra in taxes to benefit the poor.

#24 | Posted by jackass

Well, just step right up and donate all of your money you want. Keep your f****** fingers out of my wallet.