I've gotta get out of here!

And everything Buchanan wrote in this article is the truth.

Worth the read.

The price of environmentalism, welfare, gay rights, education unions........

All of the above is ok as long as they don't kill any of those cute little frogs.

Absolutely true. Cap-n-trade, if it ultimately passes, brings the 2040 prediction down to 2012-2013 for the US to be in the same dire straits.

I don't like Pat Buchanan much, but give credit where credit is due. The benefits of diversity are not what they were heralded to be in the era of good feeling.

What minorities bring are crime, less education, fewer skill sets, lower incomes and greater dependency. They also are very demanding that the remainder of the community support them at a level commensurate with their fantasies, and for too long, the remainder of the community complied with those demands. The result is that the standard of living decreases. The dolts are still trying to figure out why.

Pat as a speech writer is also to be credited with Vice-President Agnew's ringing phrase, "... nattering nabobs of negativism ..."

"... nattering nabobs of negativism ..."

Sorry,but that was william Safire

California is "blessed" with 6.8 million K-12 children, one quarter of whom do not speak English. And of those who do, many are illegal aliens, or the children of illegal aliens who were welcomed earlier. More than 50% of the children in California schools are Hispanic. And then there is this:

The second largest school district in the nation is Los Angeles Unified with 747,009 students of whom 541,514 are Hispanic72.5% of all its students. And how do these students perform? Half of the schools in the district from elementary to high school ranked in the lowest three deciles and only 15% in the top three deciles.

According to the PPIC study, third-generation Latinos in California have twice as many high school dropouts, 22%, as they do college graduates, 11%. In contrast, among third-generation Asians, 7% have less than 12 years of education and 45% are college graduates. Among whites, only 6% dropouts and 35% college graduates.

There is a mentality extant that believes the system can provide something for nothing, and that there are no constraints on wealth except for the machinations of rich guys, who refuse to share the wealth. Well, push has come to shove.

The destabilization with the attendant unrest make it inexpedient to stay in California. During the so-called Great Depression (one of lesser magnitude than the one we're entering now), the Okies came from the Dust Bowl state with the Grapes of Wrath providing one view of what occurred. These folks were not received warmly by communities seeking to insulate themselves a little. Now the migration will be reversed.

Don't worry, there are some one quadrillion dollars in ... no, I won't tell, but suffice it to say that it augurs ill. One quadrillion dollars by the way is S1,000,000,000,000,000. Now divide that number by a U.S. population that approximates 300,000,000. It's late, but if I'm correct that's some $3,333,333 per person. Something has got to fall. It cannot be sustained.

The price of environmentalism, welfare, gay rights, education unions........

#2 | Posted by Diablo at 2009-06-28 07:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

The cost is without those things would be far higher. Live next to a factory belching smoke for a few days to see what a future without environmentalists would be like. Take a look at the sixties riots to see the cost of no welfare, and that you would trade starving Americans for a few more buck in your pockets shows your morality, and values. Gay rights wouldn't cost anything except for bigots fighting against such obvious human rights. A future without an educated society--that looks good to you? Unions made the middle class possible. Unions made America strong. That you don't want to pay Americans a fair wage for a days work is not surprising. If you vote democrat---you are in the wrong party--but thanks for the vote.

Unions cost the company nothing. If they make a good product, the cost is passed on to the consumer. If they can't compete, they go out of business. Other car companies are doing fine with comparable wages. They make better cars---they don't try to blame their poor product on the workers wages.

#10 | Posted by norma rae

unions have killed this country. why is it at gm - the average bene package through a union is $75 per hour as opposed to toyota's package of $35? toyota certainly makes a much better vehicle with high resell value and gm has been putting out crappe for vehicles for quite a long time. union people are like rabid animals.

"unions have killed this country. why is it at gm - the average bene package through a union is $75 per hour as opposed to toyota's package of $35?"

It has only just begun...

note to chris:

Posted by nanc at 2009-06-29 08:52 AM

Sounds like Nanc is upset because she can barely make ends meet while union workers are living comfortably. It's a sad day when Americans point fingers at worker and not at the CEO's making millions of dollars.

oh please, rasta - i've belonged to three unions - none of them did a thing for me - they were mandatory - pay the dues, keep what you've got, don't complain...blah-blah-blah. my ends tie together quite nicely and we have extra to help others with - i am thankful.

"i've belonged to three unions "
#15 | Posted by nanc

Fag bashers have a union?

I believe that Johnson would like to return this country what it once was... an arctic wilderness.

All of the above is ok as long as they don't kill any of those cute little frogs.

#3 | Posted by mysterytoy

Don't forget about that little fish that shut the irrigation off and caused a man-made drought.

Fag bashers have a union?

As do Muslim haters and the KKK.

N.A.N.C. has been a member of all three.

Anytime a Right Wing Conservative tell you that the World is falling, rest assured its never that bad. Pat Buchannan an the Neo-Conservatives have been wrong on policy for the last 60 Years. They are wrong now. Study people, learn something, this is how the Republicans have won elections for 60 years, FEAR MONGERING. Unfortunately it works, because MOST AMERICANS are fucking Chicken Littles looking for the sky to fall......

The State of California will cut back an survive, this is what PEOPLE, CITIES, an now STATES do. Cut back on their spending but not on the back of the POOR. This is the solution of the Far Right blame it all on the UNIONS an MINORITIES, the blue collar workers, blame them all, all except the POWERFUL leaders of Government and Industry.

Governor ARNOLD was swept in to office years ago on the Impeachment of Gray Davis, to fix this very problem,HE HAS FAILED, should we impeach Arnold?????fuck yea!!!!

"The price of environmentalism, welfare, gay rights, education unions........"

I may throw up. It's the price of having champagne tastes on a beer budget. It's the price of wanting decent minimal government services without having to pay for them. Blame your precious Prop. 13. herm

here's another article for chris:

"(U)nions have killed this country."

I may vomit again. It's that kind of day. Unions - and ONLY unions - built American living standards into something the civilized world once emulated. But unbridled capitalism of the Nancy stripe has eliminated PEOPLE from the equation, and we're going downhill at a roller coaster pace. herm

Maybe if the state didn't base its budget on a capital gains tax it might be faring better... hint hint. Most of the other complaints are just political, not fiscal.

Ron Karate,

Your a moron.

1. "Pat Buchannan and the Neo-Conservatives" -putting those two in the same text is absurd. Pat Buchanan is the anti thesis to neo-conservatism.

2. California will cut back?- Yah ok, lets look at the budget on the federal level. Were in the worst financial straights ever and what does Obama do? Put us in the red many trillions of dollars in an attempt to "spend our way out". The areas that need cutting back, welfare and spending on illegals, will NEVER be cut back until they collapse.

3. No one is saying the sky is falling numbnutz. What pat says is: Here is California's policies, they have failed. We (America) are doing the same exact thing...do the math.

Thanks for the wisdom jackass

Unions?

In the case of GM at least, the Unions cut off their nose to spite their face.

Time for a little Union Reform anyone? Even great institutions require reform once in a while.

" Your(sic) a moron. "

#25 | Posted by griswolds686 at 2009-06-29 12:14 PM | Reply | Flag: self retort

diablo,

don't forget Prop 13, 1% property tax on orginal appraisals for BofA FOREVER.

For you and I it can only last a lifetime and was intended to protect retirees on fixed incomes. But Corporations won the same protection for themselves, since they have the same legal rights as human beings.

California and this countries problems cannot be laid soley at the feet of labor. The Corporate and Government conspiracy to ignore immigration law has burdened California and other border States disproportionally.

Transfer of profits from manufacturing to finance is bigger than anything else. Corporations are not paying taxes anymore. Their management teams remain fixated on stock prices and bonuses, leading to persistent long term problems with our competitiveness. Our steel industry never modernized and has been eclipsed by Japan, which doesn't have an ounce of iron ore. Is that labor's fault. NO WAY JOSE.

"In the case of GM at least, the Unions cut off their nose to spite their face."

And everyone knows workers are supposed to tell the owners what they can and cannot afford.

Herm's partly correct...the path that led us to our current peccadillo is Prop 13, which passed right about the same time that the computer industry was in uber-high gear. All that investment money floating around California increased the tax revenue dumping into the state treasury, resulting in the state agencies bloating their budgets to match the increased revenue. Then the bottom eventually fell out of high-tech boom and all that investment cash went elsewhere, leaving the state stuck with too many employees and no money to pay them with.

If we (Californians) are truly interested in turning this all around, we could start by repealing Prop 13 and re-instating those nasty DMV fees. The instant fix is to repeal all current statues on the cultivation of marijuana for sale and exportation. It might just the ticket to fix our little budget problem, most ricky-tick.

"Our steel industry never modernized and has been eclipsed by Japan, which doesn't have an ounce of iron ore. Is that labor's fault. NO WAY JOSE."

The U.S. Steel industry never modernized?

Might it be the United Steel Workers Union stood in the way of that?

After all, technology and innovation often reduce the need for manpower.

#28 | Posted by nutcase

California is a mess for many reasons.. Illegal immigration is just one of the biggest pieces of the puzzle. I have never been a big Pat Buchanan fan, but he makes a lot of good points and backs them up with statistics. The California model has failed miserably and yet Mr. Obama is moving us in the same direction and as soon as possible. We must never waste a crisis after all. Bush got blamed for using the fear of terrorism to enact his agenda. If thats the case, Obama can be blamed for using the financial crisis/economic downturn to enact his ultra liberal agenda. Obama himself has stated on multiple occasions that "we must get certain initiatives done quickly" or they will simply langish. Not unlike the Republicans, the Democrats are taking full advantage of their political control of the presidency and congress. Do you think any politician will have the political noogies to revert nationalized healthcare once it has been created and the "government promise made"? I doubt it. The government already runs Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security... all of which have TRILLIONS in future liabilities that won't be met. Wake up folks and smell the politial BS.

The Libertarian views and policies may have prevented this catastrophe. Given the electorate always wanting the next hand-out it is not very likely to prevail, I'm afraid.

wouldn't it be ironic if I was able to buy my old house back at a humongous discount after all the B.S. I have been through. everything comes full circle, i guess.

REPLY TO ARTICLE:

that's why you stay on the OC Coast! You go inland and it just keeps getting worse. There are worse things than being a turtle on the beach. All it takes is lot$ and lot$ of ca$h!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

there's nothing wrong with Capitalism. and I will always have a gardener and a maid! Stoked.

my ends tie together quite nicely and we have extra to help others with - i am thankful.

#15 | Posted by nanc

Maybe for today but I pray your tomorrow isn't so great.

"There are worse things than being a turtle on the beach. All it takes is lot$ and lot$ of ca$h!!!!!!!"

My first time to Hawaii I noticed there were two interesting types of folks who lived on the beach: the folks who had worked hard all their lives, were successful, and lived on the beach, and bums who lived on the beach. Nothing in-between.

"I pray your tomorrow isn't so great."

Methinks you're missing the point.

I may throw up. It's the price of having champagne tastes on a beer budget. It's the price of wanting decent minimal government services without having to pay for them. Blame your precious Prop. 13. herm

#21 | Posted by herm

Puke on your lap her. The state of Calif has a real high tax on all of the people, including the fruits and nuts. I have come the conclusion by looking at your shoes that you don't know s*** from shinola.

If they laid off all those unionized teachers, California could save a fortune and the kids would not get any dumber than they would have in government schools.

"...The price of gay rights.......#2 | Posted by Diablo..."

Now there's a shining example of Republican Intelligence.

While you are all staring down Prop 13 as the problem, why not get to the real tragedy of California's ills: a little thing called Enron, Ken Lay and the robbing of the teasury by Bush-era Corporate Cronies that gamed the sytems and stole billions and billions from the treasury of California.

How does the song go? "....Money, money, money money..."

The lack thereof is the one and only cause.

To the Moron Diablo, please enlighten us as to how Gay Rights has cost anyone in California ONE CENT.

We'll all wait for you to 'edumicate' us.

"The price of environmentalism, welfare, gay rights, education unions........"

I may throw up. It's the price of having champagne tastes on a beer budget. It's the price of wanting decent minimal government services without having to pay for them. Blame your precious Prop. 13. herm

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As usual, the reichwing gets it completely wrong.

It was good ole ronnie raygun who defunded the states as president without returning the taxes to the people(he needed it to fund his department of war projects). The largest tax increase in 30 years or more.

As usual, the reichwing ignores reality in favor of propaganda spoonfed them by the very corporate media that is owned and controlled by the very bunch of fascist trash ass fucking them.

Sop.

Remember reichwingers: sept 11 happened because of tolerance of fags.

Bendover if you believe the Union Workers have US Steel or GM Management's decision making power. US managers ceased being interested in operating a their companies and worried exclusively about their bonuses. They have been committing accounting fraud while using reorgainzation and mergers to cover their tracks. Another key difference is that, unlike China, Japan, and Korea, they have not been protected by our Government.

Unions have been systematically decimated. Unions have nothing to do with our fundamental problems. This is not to say they have not contributed. There is nothing wrong with paying a good wage. The Japanese certainly enjoy this, plus free health care. Making a game of slowing down work is another story. The Japanese like US workers, union or otherwise.

here's another article for chris:

www.nahb.org

#22 | Posted by nanc at 2009-06-29 11:57 AM

Thanks! I also got the article you linked for me in your #13 above too. Read them both earlier and found them very informative -- especially for someone looking to sell. Thanks again.

California Libs -- STOP blaming Proposition 13 for all the woes in California.

I may vomit again. It's that kind of day. Unions - and ONLY unions - built American living standards into something the civilized world once emulated. But unbridled capitalism of the Nancy stripe has eliminated PEOPLE from the equation, and we're going downhill at a roller coaster pace. herm

#23 | Posted by herm

Now I'm vomitting!

Two words Herm, JOBS BANK

Now tell us again how unions are the back bone of America.

The greatest oxymoron in present day America? - UNION WORKER

California Libs -- STOP blaming Proposition 13 for all the woes in California.

California has some of the highest taxes per GDP in the U.S.

3000 taxpayers a day are leaving the state due to high taxes and a host of other things.

So if they already have high taxes, and taxpayers are leaving, how is a tax cuts the cause of their problems?

You people on the left just don't get it.

you're welcome, chris.

herm? i didn't know you were bulimic. careful there, buddy, or you'll wither away to a ton.

No mention in the article of all the money Enron swindled from Ca. Wonder why?

chris - stay out of riot territory in cali this week?

The silent racism on this thread is mind blowing.

Pat Buchanna does good pointing out California's problems, but pulls the reasoning entirely from his grand wizards cloak.

The irony is, the blame largely falls on the white people. Blacks and mexicans are not typically associated with the sort of financial policy making California has engaged in. Pretty hard to set fiscal policy from prison, or while pimping out your baby momma.

The illegals are doing exactly what we would be doin if we were them. And if the economy keeps going down, what we will be doing. Going north into Canada to find good jobs. Others have as Pat pointed out, moved on into other states. Mostly to find prosperity where California has not delivered.

This site is too unimportant in life to go on a long multi-page lecture. But what I will end on is the notion that yes the policies that this state has encated either thru direct consequence or indirect has been wrong. What must come now is identifying what the problems are, how we got there and how we are not going there again. And I'd say men like Pat should be ignored with prejudice. Any moron at this point in time can point out Californias problems, that does not make one genius. But more so ingenius the man that attempts to use these problems as a platform for his own point of view however wrong.

"Hitler" is all too often thrown around in debates but what so many don't bother to read is the politics of bullshit that got him there. The people of germany in the early 1900's were squarely to blame for they're fucked up lot in life. They gambled and lost. But it took Hitler to come along and get them to believe that somehow they're shit was fucked up because of a host of other reasons not directly related to they're own collosal fuck up. I see little difference in Pat Buchannan, and so many others who day in day out, make arguments on the same smokey bullshit.

In california our polticians have let us down. ALL OF THEM. Anyone that would try and tell you that it was the democrats or republicans are doing little else than making a power grab to get more of they're own in there. But be sure, they will fuck it up too. And yeah, this same horseshit has invaded the federal government as well. The only consistency one can find with respect to politicians on either side of the isle can only be found with respect to they're corporate sponsors.

Now there's a shining example of Republican Intelligence.

While you are all staring down Prop 13 as the problem, why not get to the real tragedy of California's ills: a little thing called Enron, Ken Lay and the robbing of the teasury by Bush-era Corporate Cronies that gamed the sytems and stole billions and billions from the treasury of California.

How does the song go? "....Money, money, money money..."

The lack thereof is the one and only cause.

To the Moron Diablo, please enlighten us as to how Gay Rights has cost anyone in California ONE CENT.

We'll all wait for you to 'edumicate' us.

#41 | Posted by DUMPLING1 at 2009-06-29 03:13 PM | Reply |

Good call its worth noting the amount of money stolen from that fiasco would of covered a large part of the budget gap.

Also funny it became one of the main motivations for the recall of Grey Davis. Gee funny how that shit works...

Anytime a Right Wing Conservative tell you that the World is falling, rest assured its never that bad. Pat Buchannan an the Neo-Conservatives have been wrong on policy for the last 60 Years. They are wrong now. Study people, learn something, this is how the Republicans have won elections for 60 years, FEAR MONGERING. Unfortunately it works, because MOST AMERICANS are fucking Chicken Littles looking for the sky to fall......

The State of California will cut back an survive, this is what PEOPLE, CITIES, an now STATES do. Cut back on their spending but not on the back of the POOR. This is the solution of the Far Right blame it all on the UNIONS an MINORITIES, the blue collar workers, blame them all, all except the POWERFUL leaders of Government and Industry.

Governor ARNOLD was swept in to office years ago on the Impeachment of Gray Davis, to fix this very problem,HE HAS FAILED, should we impeach Arnold?????fuck yea!!!!

#20 | Posted by celisary at 2009-06-29 11:55 AM | Reply |

I support this message.

I don't like Pat Buchanan much, but give credit where credit is due. The benefits of diversity are not what they were heralded to be in the era of good feeling.

What minorities bring are crime, less education, fewer skill sets, lower incomes and greater dependency. They also are very demanding that the remainder of the community support them at a level commensurate with their fantasies, and for too long, the remainder of the community complied with those demands. The result is that the standard of living decreases. The dolts are still trying to figure out why.

Pat as a speech writer is also to be credited with Vice-President Agnew's ringing phrase, "... nattering nabobs of negativism ..."

#5 | Posted by Johnson at 2009-06-29 01:39 AM | Reply |

Spoken like a true racist, and utterly wrong. Wrong the notion that this idea your putting forth is in direct relation to skin color.

And lets do some serious comparison. What is worse black man stealing your purse? or white man stealing the life savings of your entire neighborhood? And hey look whos the majority race in government? not the black/brown man. Even in fucking cultural melting pot california, the white man is still king. But yah its all the fault of minorities that your white leaders have benefited at the expense of they're own white brethren. Seriously check the score if you want to play race games, the white man is fucking himself, and fucking himself good. The black/brown man remains just as fucked as ever. And soonr or later you'll have to face the reality that it was never about race, right or left, up/down, liberal/conservative. It was about the desires of the few over the many.

The silent racism on this thread is mind blowing....

The irony is, the blame largely falls on the white people.

#51 | Posted by KnightHawk

Hmmmm, one wonders if ol' KnightHawk sees the irony in his "vocal racist" statement?

What minorities bring are crime, less education, fewer skill sets, lower incomes and greater dependency.

And lots of bambino's for someone else to care for. Cause you know when you got to get "it" you just have to get "it".

Seriously check the score if you want to play race games, the white man is fucking himself, and fucking himself good.

As a result of buying into the BS that everyone "deserves" the same standard of living. If you don't want to earn it, the govm't should provide it. Nuf sait.

And Stop trying to be white.

Pretty funny when libs refer to Buchanan as a neo-con. Most INTELLIGENT libs I argue with, (none on the DR,) refer to him as a paleo-conservative.

But hey whatever floats your ANGRY AND PISSED OFF LIBERAL BOAT.

I'm glad I live in one of the FOUR states in the Union still in the black.

Blame your precious Prop. 13. herm

#21 | POSTED BY HERM AT 2009-06-29 11:56 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

Bullshit. We still have one of the heaviest tax burdens in the nation. Blame the govt. for being the largest single employer in the state, with some of the best pensions.

Blame the govt. for paying for sex change operations for prisoners. Blame CEQA abuse for hiking the costs of any new project, and the endangered species act for it's about to kill agriculture in the central valley - where 1/3 of the ag products are grown.

It's easy to blame prop. 13, just not accurate.

You gotta love the way Buchanan tries to blame the woes of California on Obama. Last I knew, California was a REPUBLICAN run state......and it's falling apart because of it.

Ever since the passage of Prop 13 by a bunch of anti-tax morons, California's government has been on a downward spiral. Nice to know that "traditional conservatives" throughout the USA still sing the praises of Prop 13s "taxpayer revolt". If there were any better example of the stupidity and short-sightedness of ant-tax conservatism, I can't imagine what it is.

"To the Moron Diablo, please enlighten us as to how Gay Rights has cost anyone in California ONE CENT."

Litigation. Employment of government drones (pensions and beefits, of course) to enforce the gay rules. Hell, even the heating and lighting bills while these idiots "debate" legitimizing anal sex for goodness sakes!
Oh, you do not consider the cost of endless lawyer welfare...I mean, litigation, a burden on taxpayers?
So, anyone who disagrees with you is a "moron," right? I am glad I see my face in the mirror and not yours.

"Ever since the passage of Prop 13 by a bunch of anti-tax morons, California's government has been on a downward spiral. Nice to know that "traditional conservatives" throughout the USA still sing the praises of Prop 13s "taxpayer revolt". If there were any better example of the stupidity and short-sightedness of ant-tax conservatism, I can't imagine what it is."

Another "disagree with me and you are a moron" leftie.
The example you can't imagine is called "The American Revolution." Read up on it someday and you might start understanding the country in which we live.

It's like California tries to be a European Country functioning inside the USA. It doesn't work.

It works here in Germany just fine, but our Constitution is different.

see Johnson, your Prohibitions don't work.

you should embrace people not shun them.

asshat.

well. Diablo, you see it's like this... some things are just right and some are just wrong.

if taxpayers, like you i assume, want to spend state dollars frighting equal rights, so be it. but just because you are willing to spend doesn't make you right.

i suggest you look for savings, and righteousness, elsewhere.

nanc:
unions have killed this country. why is it at gm - the average bene package through a union is $75 per hour as opposed to toyota's package of $35? toyota certainly makes a much better vehicle with high resell value and gm has been putting out crappe for vehicles for quite a long time. union people are like rabid animals.

that s bunk. google, and an enduring inquisitive mind, are your friends.

The debacle in California is due to a combination of many elements. It's interesting that some of you deny the impact of illegal aliens. They are not "to blame." Their efforts to make better lives for themselves are understandable. "To blame" are a combination of businesses and politicians and bleeding hearts and those of affiliated ethnicity, who thought the presence of the illegals and their offspring would not have ramifications. The costs of education, medical care, and justice system alone, due to illegals approximates the California budget deficiency. Regardless of who is "to blame," the presence of illegal aliens creates a heavy cost.

Possibly our welfare system that provided government sustenance for basically unintelligent, uneducated, and unskilled blacks, removed them from the job market, and resulted in the importation of more willing to work and non-complaining Latinos to do thelow level jobs that blacks formerly performed. With the numbers of illegal aliens, the society is required to support a far larger group of people in this component than the society can sustain and maintain its standard of living.

California has also been GM'd by the unions with the politicians providing a quid pro quo for their support in the form of wages at a level beyond that required by the market and a benefits package that is largely unparalleled. The State employees make approximately twice what is paid to non-government employees for comparable work.

Certainly the system caused the GM executives to consent to exorbitant pay and benefit packages because the disruption in work and quarterly performance reports if there were extended strikes would have redounded to the detriment of the executives personal agendas and tenure. The politicians support of illegal alien penetration and high employee wages follows the same pattern.

By the way, haven't the free-spending lefties been in control of the California legislature for decades now, and haven't they set spending policies, of course without regard to income available. The politicians equated wants with necessities, and disregarded limiting expenditures to what was affordable. With the end of the dot com boom, the State did not curtail its spending to conform to its income.

It's not a matter of "blame," but an unwillingness to recognize the reality of the causes of the malaise affecting California.

The idea that "unions" are responsible for the growth of a prosperous middle class is deceptively simplistic. What the unions were able to do was ride the wave of increased productivity due to education and improved technology. If there were not increased productivity, the unions would not have been able to obtain the benefits as "half of nothing" is nothing."

The middle class grew at a rapid pace and prosperity increased for all during a period when union membership declined significantly.

It is lamentable that the dynamic capitalist model that produced such heretofore unrivaled prosperity is being transformed into a model that will curtail productivity and result in a reduced standard of living. There are many factors from population dynamics with geometric growth to demographics to resource availability that have entered into the equation. One of the proximate destructive factors was the removal of the restrictions on bank operations and the permission to the financial industry to act unregulated and enter other phases of business activity coupled with the demands by politicians that the banks make imprudent loans to poor and minorities. The fact that the industry saw a bonanza and wholeheartedly bundled bad paper, and sold it to unwary buyers, and created derivatives and otherwise interfered with and supported distorted and unwise market operation, resulted in a debacle. Barney Frank must be proud since he is again inveighing against banks not making loans to borrowers unlikely to be able to repay them.

that's right Cel everybody is:
[as your first act begins
you realise they're all] waiting
for a fall, for a flaw, for the end.

it's great theater, and isn't THEATRE really what everybody wants?

HERM: I may vomit again. It's that kind of day. Unions - and ONLY unions - built American living standards into something the civilized world once emulated. But unbridled capitalism of the Nancy stripe has eliminated PEOPLE from the equation, and we're going downhill at a roller coaster pace. herm

Unions and socialism... like the GI Bill which is responsible for most of suburbs and the middle class.

remember how it was enacted and why.

the GI Bill and national and personal debt.

i have found the money! it was in post #59 by Somoco:

sex change operations for prisoners.

ok, so stop that! and Cali is back in black! alrighty then!

don't thank me. no charge.

Aren't California's budget problems tied to manipulation of the energy grid by ENRON? You know, the ENRON that made Bush's buddies rich?
I don't see what the problem is ... why can't the REPUBLICAN govenor fix the problem?

#62 - What the f#$% are "gay rules"?

What the f#$% are "gay rules"?

E.G.: Rule 24 (b) subsection 8: Little finger must be extended when sipping tea

Aren't California's budget problems tied to manipulation of the energy grid by ENRON?

Hardly. That was a blip in California's histor

why can't the REPUBLICAN govenor fix the problem?

Same reasons the DEMOCRAT president hasn't fixed America's problems yet. It's not a partisan thing. Chill, dude

Hey "DUDE" (you're so cool)
Oh but you're wrong - Our DEMOCRAT PRESIDENT IS fixing the problem in America!
Now I know you know how great PRESIDENT OBAMA is, but not even he can fix 8 years of bush's fuck up's in 5 months. You know, the 10 BILLION a month for over 6 years on an illegal war for starters.
But "chil dude" - by the time he's done in 2016, the will again be the GREATEST COUNTRY on the planet.

Oh but you're wrong - Our DEMOCRAT PRESIDENT IS fixing the problem in America!

Then:

but not even he can (sic presumably) fix 8 years of bush's fuck up's in 5 months.

???

Well, since you insist on playing the "blame the party" game, so will I. In the same manner, the republican governor of California can't fix years of Democratic (and current democratic legislature) leadership in a few months.

Hope this clarified my #78 and answered your #75

by the time he's done in 2016,

#79 | Posted by HLAY2009 at 2009-06-30 07:46 AM | Reply | Flag: Said same thing in June 1977 but "...in 1984"

I would play the game, but I would have an unfair advantage - I'm a democrat and you're a republican.
LOL

I'm a democrat and you're a republican.

#82 | Posted by HLAY2009 at 2009-06-30 08:27 AM | Reply | Flag: clueless

???

I belong to neither party. They both suck. But I see you are one of those one track minds that has to pigeonhole everyone.

BTW, I have voted for far more democrats in my life than republicans.

by the time he's done in 2016,

I think I heard someone on another thread this morning to say, "Live in the Now". Did you happen to catch that one?

Hey goat,
I do live in the now ... I thank God everyday for for President Obama. What is wrong with the fact that President Obama will be in office until 2016?

And yes, I do have a one track mind - DEMOCRAT ALL THE WAY BABY!!!!!!

GOP RIP 2008

What is wrong with the fact that President Obama will be in office until 2016?

No one knows if he will be. After all they said that about Jimmy Carter after the Camp David peace accords and Obama hasn't pulled off anything near that great yet, (hell, he hasn't done anything positive yet) so I think it's only blind partisan shills who make inane statements like that.

But to answer your question, if Obama is in office until 2016, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it if he does a good job.

You see, unlike hacks like you, I don't care who is in office if they are doing a good job. You, OTOH clearly don't care who is in office as long as they are a democrat. It's party over country for your type and it's your type that ensures problems don't get fixed.

I do live in the now ... I thank God everyday for for President Obama. What is wrong with the fact that President Obama will be in office until 2016?

LOL. Usually people put their self contradictions a few sentences apart. It's funny as hell to see it in the same sentence.

You're damn right! I do not care who is in office as long as they are a democrat.
THe only good republican is a dead republican. Like regan.

You're damn right! I do not care who is in office as long as they are a democrat.
THe only good republican is a dead republican. Like regan.

You are part of the problem, not the solution.

Kudos on being man enough to admit being a blind partisan hack who puts party over country though. Most people deny doing that since it is viewed as a negative property to be associated with

Why lie about it? I'm a democrat 100% and damn proud of it. I haven't always been this way, but at some point, you have to say F%^& it!! Fight fire with fire!

So, what is "the solution"?

So, what is "the solution"?

Elect the best person for the job regardless of party. My point was so subtle as to be misconstrued

Why lie about it?

Didn't you read my post #89? Last line of it answers your question.

the left has blamed:

the author of the article.
the taxpayers for prop 13
Reagan
Bush I
Arnold
Bush II

I haven't seen something as simple as: "We are spending much more money than we are receiving in taxes. We have to cut spending because we are already taxed out our ass."

Not everyone who walks over the border or is born in US is 'entitled' to luxury. Earn it or STFU.

Last I knew, California was a REPUBLICAN run state......and it's falling apart because of it.

#60 | POSTED BY COMMONSENSE AT 2009-06-29 10:55 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Republican run state? Are you really that uninformed? California has been dominated for years by Democrats. Arnold is republican in name only, and is not the one passing the laws - or did you miss your civics class to smoke weed?

Your comment is so pathetic, that it verges on comedy.

"California has been dominated for years by Democrats.
Your comment is so pathetic, that it verges on comedy."

#94 | Posted by somoco at 2009-06-30 12:45 PM | Reply | Flag: comedy

Since 1900 California has had 14 Republican governors, 4 Democrat governors and 1 Progressive governor.

legislature, dork. they tend to be the ones who pass the laws. you out smoking week with commonsense? also, when we had a part-time legislature, things were cool. what happened up to full-time has had little to do with the problems the state now faces.

The California State Legislature currently has a Democratic majority, with the Senate consisting of 25 Democrats and 15 Republicans; and the Assembly having 49 Democrats, 29 Republicans, 1 Independent, and 1 vacancy. Except for the period from 1995 to 1996, the Assembly has been in Democratic hands since the 1970 election (even while the governor's office has gone back and forth between Republicans and Democrats). The Senate has been in Democratic hands continuously since 1970.

From Wiki.

#96 | Posted by somoco
The California State Legislature currently has a Democratic majority, with the Senate consisting of 25 Democrats and 15 Republicans; and the Assembly having 49 Democrats, 29 Republicans, 1 Independent, and 1 vacancy. Except for the period from 1995 to 1996, the Assembly has been in Democratic hands since the 1970 election (even while the governor's office has gone back and forth between Republicans and Democrats). The Senate has been in Democratic hands continuously since 1970.
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I'm shocked!

#75 | Posted by HLAY2009 at 2009-06-30 07:04 AM

Aren't California's budget problems tied to manipulation of the energy grid by ENRON? You know, the ENRON that made Bush's buddies rich?

I don't see what the problem is ... why can't the REPUBLICAN govenor fix the problem?

The Governor would be well advised to resign and go to some income tax free State where he can relax and enjoy his personal fortune as he lives in sumptuousness and luxury. Why does he want to cope with this situation?

The CA Legislature has put forward two bills this week that both cut programs and raised revenue through fees that closed the budget gap but the republicans rejected both plans due to the 2/3 rule and anti-tax ideology.

The republicans simply want the State to fail while pointing fingers at democrats hoping for election cycle success.

What the republicans want to do is dismantle State services and sell each profitable entity to the private sector while leaving the less profitable to the people to support. They are willing to allow children to go hungry and die from simple ailments to achieve their privatization agenda.

Unions - and ONLY unions - built American living standards into something the civilized world once emulated. Herm

I agree that PRIVATE unions help build the United States, but PUBLIC unions are killing California, by producing nothing, building nothing, bleeding the system, and demanding more. They make far more than the productive PRIVATE union workers. The California legislature has expanded the public unions and hurting the jobs of the private unions.

Prop 13 saved the taxpayers in California, public unions and illegals are destroying it.

#101 | Posted by DarwinWasRight

This is a very nice dovetail to my post above.

KUDOS...

And you are correct about Prop 13, although I would not have included commercial property...

Let me explain the negotiations between the unions and the politicians (could be local or state):

Unions: We need more money.
Pols: We don't have any.
Unions: How about that money over there.
Pols: But that is money for the schools.
Unions: That's OK, give it to us and float a bond.
Pols: But we just floated a school bond last year.
Unions: Don't worry, these dummies will always vote for a school bond.
Pols: But how do we pay for it.
Unions: No problems, school bond just go on property taxes and bypass the rules of Prop. 13
Pols: Sound good, we can expect your vote then.
Unions: Of course, our vote and our money, pardner.

What the republicans want to do is dismantle State services and sell each profitable entity to the private sector while leaving the less profitable to the people to support. They are willing to allow children to go hungry and die from simple ailments to achieve their privatization agenda.

#100 | POSTED BY PROLIX247 AT 2009-06-30 08:21 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

I'm sorry Prolix. I respect your opinion on Prop. 13, but are you outta your mind? State Govt. is the fastest growing employer, and #1 in the state. This is hardly a privatization going on here. The opposite is occurring, and there are insufficient funds to support it.