Shovel-ready!

What a discrace.

"What a discrace."

What an illiterate.

just try to sell your house after this bill passes and you have to bring EVERYTHING in it up to THEIR code! sneaky bastards - trying to make it sound like it's for new home purchases only - SEMANTICS! it's not only a piloshit, but it's maggot infested!

Salvation is at hand! Now on to amnesty for illegals!

John "I'm Just Naturally Orange" Boehner is certainly capable of what does and what does not consittute a pile of shit, being the proverbial pile of shit incarnate. One of the bigger losers in the Party of Loserdom.

Pelosi rushed the climate bill only because she wanted it over with before the 4th of July week vacation. They didn't even follow procedure and have the entire bill along with amendments put together. They don't even follow the rules anymore.

Yeah, the Orange Man Bonehead is certainly a pile of shit.

Who profits financially from this bill being passed?

Hopefully a version of this bill will be signed into law. Ironically, by the time it takes effect and is benefitting all Americans a GOPher may be back in the WH and will claim credit for it. LOL. Because that is how it seems to always work. Dems take responsibility in thinking longterm, - GOPhers whine and scream and piss their pants, - longterm thinking then pays off, - GOPhers claim credit. LOL.

What defuddles me is why all the Obamaniacs are so much for this bill when they don't know what's in it? Hell, the members of the House don't even know what's in it, not ONE of them has studied the damn thing. The truth be known, Boehner probably knows more than most of them because he read some of it to them while they just ignored him. I think we've been scammed....AGAIN!

This whole cluster fuck has reminded me of the car salesman telling me, "You gotta sign now because the special expires in an hour! QUICK, QUICK, QUICK, no need to read all that small print!"

On the additional 300 pages added to the bill at 3 in the morning--some highlights--from Boehner on the floor seen on c-span...

There are 40 pages just on light bulbs.

Retrain Real Estate Appraiser for selling homes with energy efficient--AND the gov't is to pay for the training. pg 50

There is Housing Assistance Counseling. pg 58

Loans to get homes with NO appropiations in the bill. So this has to be added later. pg 160

Green Banking Centers to provide any consumer with any information for any Mortgage loan, equity loan--you name it. pg 165

The gov't will guarantee the mortgages and guarantee the energy efficient improvements. pg 173

Full Faith and Credit of the US --for payments of all loan mortgage guarantee and interest. pg 180

Offset Credits--no idea what this refers to. pg 184

Algae-- yes they talk about algae--pg 190

Renewable Biomass --this is the 3rd definition in the bill and still no idea what it means. pg 189

Carbon Derivative Credits that can be traded with other countries and then there is a Repealing of Derivative Credits--which ones? Don't know. pg 208

Emission Rebates for Indirect Carbon Factors to figure out some bullshit. pg 225

The US will Control the Imports in 10 years with their carbons--will be trade wars over this. pg 226

Use of data every 4 years to keep track of something but not specific in the bill. pg 233

Green House Registry--wtf? pg 234

All countries paid by the US to try and force others to comply--another wtf? pg 236

In 2017 the President submits a report every 2 years. pg 239

Earned Income Credit WITH NO qualifying children. Have to pay more for energy. pg 260

The really drastic part is that when you sell your house--it will be checked over by a RE Appraiser for energy efficient windows, doors, walls, AC, heating. And if it does not pass the test--you the seller have to pay for the repairs or you don't get to sell your house.

Liberty out the window and Tyranny in thru the door.

"This whole cluster fuck has reminded me of the car salesman telling me, "You gotta sign now because the special expires in an hour! QUICK, QUICK, QUICK, no need to read all that small print!""

Absolutely. WTF is this? Bills passed without being read, containing crap no one knows about?!? And where did the 5 day promise go? Boehner is right: it's a pile of shit.

The really drastic part is that when you sell your house--it will be checked over by a RE Appraiser for energy efficient windows, doors, walls, AC, heating. And if it does not pass the test--you the seller have to pay for the repairs or you don't get to sell your house.

Posted by MURPHY at 2009-06-28 02:31 PM

Just in one part of an inspection I had in getting it ready to sell, a City inspector told me I had to have three electrical outlets (6 sockets) converted to GFS sockets to meet City Code standards as the original light sockets are "too close" to water as they are in the wall by the bathroom and kitchen sinks. We've only had this place since 1959 without electrocuting anyone!

Also, all new glass windows are to be replaced with double-paned glass and in 2005 the City made me put on a whole new roof as they changed the boundary line for the "Mountain Fire Zone" and outlawed any wood single roofs. I had to replace mine early as I got swooped up into the newly drawn boundary zone. ALL homes in the ENTIRE city must get rid of any wood or wood shingle roofs by 2012.

The City also wants all new smoke detectors in the home to be "hardwired" not battery operated, so you have to bring in an electrician to do the wiring.

What people are now doing here in Burbank (since no more single family homes are allowed to be built) are buying homes and then tearing them down and leaving only the foundation standing and then building large 1 and 2-story homes on top of the foundation. That way the builders/new buyers get around having to get all the permits required to build a "new home" and can pass it off as only "remodeling" instead -- just as long as there is a small portion of the original home left standing.

That's one of the reasons I need to talk to a realtor. I'm not going to put a lot of money into fixing up this house to sell it if some buyer plans on demolishing it down to the foundation so they can build their own house.

So damn many headaches and things to deal with. Never had to sell a home before and don't plan on buying another one for awhile!

single roof = shingle roof

The really drastic part is that when you sell your house--it will be checked over by a RE Appraiser for energy efficient windows, doors, walls, AC, heating. And if it does not pass the test--you the seller have to pay for the repairs or you don't get to sell your house.

God Damn these fucking tyrannical assholes!

The media better damn well report accurately on this shit.

I won't be holding my breath though.

First and foremost for statists is to take away your property rights.

I sold a house in CA. The closing documents looked like a book.

Beware of offers that are too good to be true and be prepared to pay a fair price for any services rendered.

I had one guy come out for a "free" inspection of the house. It was only two years old and all he could find wrong was a tiny spot of mildew on a two foot length of facia board by the front door. He gave me an estimate of $300 to fix it. We scraped and painted it and then paid a more reputable inspector $50 to come out and reinspect. He asked us about the facia, since it was documented by the first guy as a defect, looked at it and then just shook his head that anyone would have dinged us for it.

Find a good realtor, CC. Don't try to wade through it alone. It's not worth it.

Get some references from friends if possible. Look for one that is business-like and detail oriented and not too "salesy".

Personally, I prefer a level-headed female realtor because in my experience they tend to follow rules better than the guys and are more empathetic with what you are going through, especially in a case like yours when you are selling a long-time family home.

Husband and wife realtor teams can also be good. I prefer to go with a smaller firm that carries fewer listings because they will work harder for you.

Good luck!

BTW, the St. Joseph statue worked for me!

SilverIronist

Good luck!

I sold a house in CA. The closing documents looked like a book.

BTW, the St. Joseph statue worked for me!

#20 | Posted by silver_ironist at 2009-06-28 05:04 PM

And you buried St. Joseph to help sell your house too? LOL

Poor fellow is still head down in the dirt in my backyard under the rose bush. He'll have a lot of work ahead of him soon!

As for the closing documents, I've been warned. I was told I'd be doing nothing but signing papers. But right now I'll be thrilled just to get to that point.

I had one guy come out for a "free" inspection of the house. It was only two years old and all he could find wrong was a tiny spot of mildew on a two foot length of facia board by the front door. He gave me an estimate of $300 to fix it. We scraped and painted it and then paid a more reputable inspector $50 to come out and reinspect. He asked us about the facia, since it was documented by the first guy as a defect, looked at it and then just shook his head that anyone would have dinged us for it.

I did all the contacting of the contractors, getting bids, etc. myself -- have a file full of paperwork -- and had all the inspections done. I just didn't know whether to get the termites fumigated (and wood damage they did in the enclosed porch repaired) plus have the house painted before or after I call in a realtor.

But it's been getting too much for me to handle all on my own. Called my cousin in FL yesterday and he advised me as you did -- get a realtor in (and let them look around and give suggestions and look up comps in the area, etc.).

Get some references from friends if possible. Look for one that is business-like and detail oriented and not too "salesy".

Personally, I prefer a level-headed female realtor because in my experience they tend to follow rules better than the guys and are more empathetic with what you are going through, especially in a case like yours when you are selling a long-time family home.

This coming week I'll be lining up a couple realtors to call (and look for the kind you suggested). I think if I have a realtor who can give me info as to what I need to concentrate on (and what not to bother doing) it will help a lot. My insurance company for years -- USAA -- has a "Moving/Seller/Buyer" program where they will help you get in touch with approved local realtors who are reputed to be good (because they want to remain on USAA's approved list).

Thank you again, SilverIronist, for taking the time to write and help give me a few suggestions. I really mean it.

I'm still laughing over you using St. Joseph to help sell your home!

#20 | Posted by silver_ironist

When we sold our last house, the buyers and their home inspector were frickin' idiots. They missed some obvious minor problems (problems that OUR home inspector pointed out - we only owned that house for about 2 years) and fixated on truly petty and stupid shit. For example, we had a board running along the top of a detached garage that was showing some decay. Their inspector had them convinced that said decay was due to carpenter ants and in they demanded that we not only replace and paint the board (my wife successfully stipulated that the paint had to be brown, but not necessarily match - how in the hell do you match fading, 20-year old paint anyways?) but ALSO they demanded a pest inspector come out and inspect our house for carpenter ants. On this issue, I successfully stipulated that said inspector ONLY inspect areas that THEIR home inspector found to have the possibility of carpenter ants - which was this one board.

We contacted a pest-control company and, as it turned out, one company had one of their workers a block away late on a Wed. afternoon and he agreed to stop-by and take a look. He spent all of about 30 seconds inspecting the wood and his diagnosis was, "Water damage." So, he wrote that on the back of his card and told us that the buyers could contact him by phone if they wished and he would stand by his diagnosis. He also informed us that if his handwritten diagnosis on the back of his card was sufficient, then he wouldn't charge us a penny (he was irritated with the absurdity of the buyer and their inspector). Needless to say, the buyer wasn't happy about not receiving a formal report, but they weren't able to make a case for anything more.

The funny part is that we replaced the board, slathered on the cheapest brown paint we could find, and when it was all done, it looked worse (aesthically) than had we done nothing.

These buyers had a bunch of other absurd demands, which we basically had to meet because we had already closed on our new house. So, we loosened the screws on all of the clothes bars in all of the closets - nothing malicious mind you, just a little payback for how much they pissed us off.

CC ~ using Dean Grazio's methods can help you find a house, too...perhaps

just an idea...am not a realtor:>)

Thanks, Bani.

I'll take any and all suggestions. : )

i watched nearly the entire session - every person FOR this travesty of a bill began their spiel kissing waxman's fannie! as if that could make that turd more palatable.

oh, and what jeff said at #17!

And yet, that idiot Moder still thinks this bill is a good thing. For Christ sake stupid, try thinking on your own a little, instead of just following the liberal path, honest it wont hurt.

U.S.A. Is Fukked. Thank U OBamaBOTS.

U.S.A. Is Fukked. Thank U OBamaBOTS.

U.S.A. Is Fukked. Thank U OBamaBOTS.

Follow the money...

Start with Al Gore and his ilk. Bet a HUGE amount ends up in his pockets.

Wonder who he had to blow for that? Or maybe he just knew where the bodies are buried? Guess it could be a pay-off for him staying out of sight and not making an ass of himself.

Still... follow the money... how much to foreign countries to offset our carbons? Not to worry, they will take the jobs to foreign countries instead... that will lower our carbon footprint.

Yup... sure will... wonder if china will provide us food stamps once we are all unemployed?

this bill doesn't hold to the fire the feet of the biggest polluters on the planet - CHINA AND INDIA! but that's where the jobs will go. que sera sera. meanwhile their youth will be able to come here, get a job in our up and coming youth forces and attend college free - yay. has ANYBODY asked themselves, "who gains the MOST from this bill?"?

WRITE YOUR SENATORS!

"who gains the MOST from this bill?"?

#32 | Posted by nanc
* * * *

Me, and my clients. Open an account with $100k or more, and so will you.

#14 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-06-28 02:38 PM

Exactly. Voting on something you haven't read is an atrocity. I'd argue that voting on this particular bill, after reading it, is even worse.

Yeah, the Orange Man Bonehead is certainly a pile of shit.

#8 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-06-28 01:23 PM

You forgot gin soaked. Or is it scotch nowadays?

I'd argue that voting on this particular bill, after reading it, is even worse.

#35 | Posted by JOE at 2009-06-29 10:33 AM | Reply |

Have you read it?

Boehner is correct, not the language I would use, but nonetheless correct.

This is the most anti-growth, anti-business grab of power legislation in my life time. All being sold under a bogus claim of carbon reduction.

Start with Al Gore and his ilk. Bet a HUGE amount ends up in his pockets.

#31 | Posted by 1libertarian

$100 million already has been put in algore's pocket.

"Have you read it?"

All 1300 pages? No, but I spent about 2 hours reading what I could last week. It isn't pretty.

Dems take responsibility in thinking longterm

#10 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-06-28 01:33 PM

But continue your partisan tirade, "moder8." It is clear that you support the dems out of hatred for the repubs (justifiable), and will be an apologist for whatever they do, right or wrong.

Have you read it?

#37 | Posted by 726 at 2009-06-29 10:34 AM

Not that I'd expect everyone who supports it to read it first, but I'd at least expect them to expect their congress to read the damn thing before voting it into law.

Before you are elected to congress or the senate you have to take an oath to read every bill you will vote on. Maybe pass a couple of comprehension tests too and get at least a 70% on them.

If that is a fucking problem, go back to McDonald's or we should just make the bill one-to-two pagers.

Waste will never stop. Captain Obvious told me that their are evil forces in place that don't want waste to stop. Ever.

Hey, Auntiesocial--you're assuming Congresspersons and Senators _can_ read. ; )

I am concerned about this bill. I voted for Obama, and I was never entirely comfortable with this part of the environmental discussion (just as I remain uncomfortable with his take on paying teachers). But... I'm not against legislation to curb pollution. However, it should be real reduction, not sharing/dispersing pollution allowances. I get the point, I think, but how about requiring reductions straight-up? We have technology on our side; let's use it. Oh, it's too expensive? Wah wah wah. If it gets used more, more gets made, and the price goes down. At least that's what I've heard so-called capitalists tell me for decades now. A variation on "If you build it, they will come." Right? If a product is good, people will buy it. If a company is creating competition, the economy will benefit. So get more energy companies developing alternative sources and reducing their output of crap into the air and water and earth, and prices will go down. Gee, that's what I've been hearing for decades. Have the rules of economics suddenly changed? Was Adam Smith wrong? Of course, I think the venerable Mr. Smith would be horrified at where we've come. Capitalism was not about greed for him; it was about enlightened consumers making the best purchase for rational reasons. Advertising does not help us make purchases for rational reasons. And "it'll kill the economy" is not a rational response either. If something is that bad, but has a reason behind it, discuss the reason and the possible solutions that will not kill the economy.

"Boehner Calls Climate Bill a 'Pile of Shit'"

As if a Majority of Americans take advice from a wimpy, teary eyed Oompa-Loompa!
Who the Fuck would listen to a Grown Man ---- Who is Orange?
This guy doesn't even have the sense to get out of the Tanning Bed in a timely manner, why would anybody even listen to him!!

#40 | Posted by JOE

it's the addendum they snuck in at 3:09 a.m. under cover we should be worrying about.

CBO grossly underestimates cost of crapntax bill:

what nahb has to say about this bill:

go here to stay caught up on this pillaging of the american people:

#44 | Posted by pragmatist at 2009-06-29 11:27 AM

#32 | Posted by nanc:
this bill doesn't hold to the fire the feet of the biggest polluters on the planet - CHINA AND INDIA!

No problem... China could simply sell us their aborted population (over 300,000,000 babies since the 70's) as carbon surplus to help offset our own country's footprint. Think of how many consumables they've saved by not existing!

Perhaps all those out there w/ such dire concern for the CO2 levels, should make the ultimate sacrifice and quit exhaling all together... You know, in the interest of the people. I know it won't quite measure up to China or Inda, but it's a start.

Just what we need in the middle of a recession, another expensive bill that will put people out of work. The California chool of economics is alive and well.
Imagine, all this spending and regulation based on a virtually debunked theory of global warming.

the price of this will be just a drop in the ocean wait till obama goes to the kyoto scam with his plan to save the world,the last spike in the american ecomony.

Diablo--Did I miss the memo? Global warming/climate change has been debunked? Oh, you mean 'cause this month is colder than last June?

"Boehner Calls Climate Bill a 'Pile of Shit'"

I hope he used those words! It seems that Congress is not only ignoring their constiuency, they are ignoring their collegues.

This shit needs to stop.

At least we are finding out who the good Democrats and the bad Republicans are.

PRAGMATIST:
Did I miss the memo? Global warming/climate change has been debunked? Oh, you mean 'cause this month is colder than last June?

And where again is the proof that global warming exists due to human existence and not the changes in sun, the eruption of a single volcano on the other side of the globe, or a beam of a pulsar crossing our path 10,000 light-years away? How can we presume to know so much about climate when our weathermen can't even get it right whether it'll rain a few hours from now?

"Climate Change" of course exists. It might rain tomorrow, it may snow. It's like a "war on terror"... Terror will always exist, so too the weather will always change. There alone lies the evidence of this being a big pile of poop... Semantics my friend... the tool of lawyers and politicians.

"where ... is the proof"

#55 | Posted by BMECH at 2009-06-29 01:42 PM | Reply | Flag: won't do well in the future

#56 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2009-06-29 01:56 PM

Finally some honesty in government.

Who profits? They usual liberal crowd, but mainly Al Gore. Gore runs a company that is set up to trade carbon credits. Talk about a conflict of interest. He's already made millions "saving the planet". Who else? Al Gore. He's also set up an investment fund that focuses on green projects. Now that the bill forces people into it, the new law guarantees him a profit regardless of the marketability of his ideas. Who else: Al Gore. After losing the election in 2000, he still hasn't given up in his quest for power and influence. Knowing that he stood no chance in gaining this power by the people voting for him, he instead got a complicit and corrupt government to give him the power by writing new laws that grant him the power. So we now have a savior and a king running things.

This bill is foolish and dangerous, but there is something we don't need to waste energy being upset about. Go to rules.house.gov, go to Waxman at the bottom. This brings up the Manager's Amendment Boehner was reading from. It's 300 pages long. In another window open the text of HR 2454. The amendment at the bottom of page 44 inserts a subsection (m) that modifies Section 204 of the original bill. Section 204 is the part that requires all this assessing of buildings for the new energy-efficiency requirements. Subsection (m) now makes that entire complex section applicable to new construction only. We will not have to have our existing homes assessed or have data collected by big brother. There's enough to be upset about in the bill, but at least the retroactive application of these new standards onto existing buildings is not one of them.

Here is what I do know, I just recently bought my fishing license and began reading the laws, rules and information for rivers, streams, lakes etc...

I ran into the section about consumption of the fish caught and in about 25% of the rivers it says to DO NOT EAT THE FISH and in almost every lake it says to only have 2 eight ounce meals of the fish per month. All from mercury, pcb's, and other pollutants.

The stiffer the environmental bill the fracken better in my book.

MAKE IT SO STIFF THAT ONLY THE UP STANDING CORPORATIONS WILL WANT TO HAVE THEIR BUSINESS IN THIS COUNTRY.

Pelosi rushed the climate bill only because she wanted it over with before the 4th of July week vacation. They didn't even follow procedure and have the entire bill along with amendments put together. They don't even follow the rules anymore.

#7 | Posted by KBM at 2009-06-28 01:11 PM | Reply |

We told you the actions of the last congress would come back to haunt when the parties changed. But breaking the rules was the patriotic thing to do in that congress. the irony...

MAKE IT SO STIFF THAT ONLY THE UP STANDING CORPORATIONS WILL WANT TO HAVE THEIR BUSINESS IN THIS COUNTRY.

more offshoring. are you sure? How high do you want employment to get?

What defuddles me is why all the Obamaniacs are so much for this bill when they don't know what's in it? Hell, the members of the House don't even know what's in it, not ONE of them has studied the damn thing. The truth be known, Boehner probably knows more than most of them because he read some of it to them while they just ignored him. I think we've been scammed....AGAIN!

#11 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2009-06-28 01:46 PM | Reply |

Lets be real, Boehner didn't care what it said. What mattered was that it was being championed by the democrats, and that he made the effort to shit on it.

Seriously what republicans do from here on is entirely predictable.

We told you the actions of the last congress would come back to haunt when the parties changed. But breaking the rules was the patriotic thing to do in that congress. the irony...

Were there actions like this where bills were being voted on before they were put together?

seriously. I don't know.

Lets be real, Boehner didn't care what it said. What mattered was that it was being championed by the democrats, and that he made the effort to shit on it.

Seriously what republicans do from here on is entirely predictable.

what is holding this up is the fact that there are democrats who are saying the same thing and have their own legitimate concerns.

more offshoring. are you sure? How high do you want employment to get?

That's a separate issue that needs to be corrected too.

It is sad that there are actually people here who post pollution for profit over our clean environement.

Can't even eat our own fish from our own rivers and lakes because of corporate pollution standards...it is sad.

#59 | Posted by JTGATTO_FAN

not true - if you go to sell a building after the bill passes and is effective, you must bring your building up to green standards in every state in the nation.

here is a summary of amendments - click on blue for each section:

p.s. - if you plan to keep your home or property forever the bill won't apply to you.

Lets be real, Boehner didn't care what it said. What mattered was that it was being championed by the democrats, and that he made the effort to shit on it.
Seriously what republicans do from here on is entirely predictable.

what is holding this up is the fact that there are democrats who are saying the same thing and have their own legitimate concerns.

Yeah, are like 40 of 'em going against the grain!

John "I'm Just Naturally Orange" Boehner is certainly capable of what does and what does not consittute a pile of shit, being the proverbial pile of shit incarnate. One of the bigger losers in the Party of Loserdom.

#6 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Brought to you by doc "I'm just naturaly a butt"

Do you ever have anything to say except stupid quoets and name calling?

NANC
I did read the Amendment. On page 44 at the bottom it says to insert (m) into Section 204. That subsection says that the entire section now applies only to new construction built after the final passage of the legislation. How am I reading it wrong?

"Do you ever have anything to say except stupid quoets and name calling?"

Another classic self-retort from Snippy.

what is holding this up is the fact that there are democrats who are saying the same thing and have their own legitimate concerns.

#65 | Posted by eberly at 2009-06-29 04:03 PM

Ok, this bill has nothing to do with punishing polluters. I'm fine with us throwing the book at these scumbags. I see plenty of liberals trying to drag this into the conversation but it's not what the bill is about.

This bill is a full assault on the poor and our economy. The deception involved in printing amendments in the dead of the night to present them on voting day is absurd!! Only the truest fucking idiot would say that this is acceptable. It is not acceptable!!!!! The only thing worse than this is the new story out about how the EPA has buried a report that basically says global warming does not exist. Oooo now wait, the Obama administration is cherry picking information he wants the public to know. How Stalinistic of him? I would think the SOB would want all of the information out there because he wants a transparent government. I guess he was lying to us when he said that.

The only difference between a bag of shit and this bill is the bag.

Lonnie

Boehner was actually quite restrained in his rhetoric when he only called the Al Gore bill a pile of shit.

"Boehner was actually quite restrained..."

And for some odd reason, extremely orange.

Funny how the left reacts when a politician finally says what everyone knows.

I'm still waiting to witness the Obmama "change".

#71 | Posted by JTGATTO_FAN

i'm still trying to find the entire amendment in one place to print! would you please leave a link? thank you ahead of time.

That's the new color of the opposition - orange.

Chris (#21)
Thanks for the hint about USAA - will come in handy someday (but not too soon, I hope).

My experience with inspectors. We had an addition on our house in 1985, no problems with inspectors (as far as I know - handle by construction company). In 1992 we added a small shed to our garage. The inspector said that our pool filter's backwash was not properly drained. I promptly called his manager and explained our pool filter had NO BACKWASH. He immediately approved the inspection - never saw the inspector again.

#78 NANC

www.rules.house.gov/111/
AmendmentsSubmitted/hr2454/
waxman121_hr2454_111.pdf

Don't you just love how transparent our government's website is now? I tried to find it so long I finally just called the committee in the house that the bill originated out of and had them talk me through this portion of the amendment so I could find it and read it for myself.

Diablo--Did I miss the memo? Global warming/climate change has been debunked? Oh, you mean 'cause this month is colder than last June?

#53 | Posted by pragmatist at 2009-06-29 01:06 PM | Reply |

You clearly don't pay attention to your email enough. I'm expecting a huge check from nigeria any day now.

what is holding this up is the fact that there are democrats who are saying the same thing and have their own legitimate concerns.

#65 | Posted by eberly at 2009-06-29 04:03 PM | Reply |

At least somebody is actually reading it.

Imagine the funny world we would live in if the democrats went ahead and enacted laws in favor of republican wedge issue posistions.

MJ is dead. So is Farrah. Who cares anymore?

I gotta agree with the minority leader.

cap and trade just opens another Wall Street gaming system. We have yet to clean up the last mess they made. Isn't monopoly wonderful, so many winners.

thank you, jcgatto.

just try to sell your house after this bill passes and you have to bring EVERYTHING in it up to THEIR code! sneaky bastards - trying to make it sound like it's for new home purchases only - SEMANTICS! it's not only a piloshit, but it's maggot infested!

#4 | Posted by nanc at 2009-06-28 12:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

You paranoia is absolutely adorable!

Lets be real, Boehner didn't care what it said. What mattered was that it was being championed by the democrats, and that he made the effort to shit on it.

Seriously what republicans do from here on is entirely predictable.

#63 | Posted by KnightHawk

A convoluted 1200 page bill, 300 of those pages inserted last minute. A bill that the Dems rammed through the house without providing ANY of the congressmen and women enough time to read it. They violated their own 5-day rule. This bill has provisions that are dowright disturbing. This bill will drive energy costs up for all of us by about 130%. And you accuse Boehner of being partisan when he calls it a pile of shit???

Are you THAT much of a shill for the DNC?

Are you pleased with how this all went down?

Just some more Chicken Little "the sky is falling, the sky is falling" shit from the right.
When are they going to wake up and realize the politics of fear was milked for every last drop by bush ?
We're not buying it anymore.

Hell, they've got my uncle convinced that if your home is not energy efficient, you'll HAVE TO TEAR YOUR HOUSE DOWN!?!?!?! WTF?!?!??!

Hell, they've got my uncle convinced that if your home is not energy efficient, you'll HAVE TO TEAR YOUR HOUSE DOWN!?!?!?! WTF?!?!??!

Then your uncle is a paranoiac and should seek help.

#92 RIGHT ON!!!!
As should the majority of the GOP !!!!

An important point is that the original bill DID require all these energy-efficiency requirements for existing homes. Existing homes were exempted BY AMENDMENT at the last minute. President Obama yesterday was quoted in major media as saying the initial emission targets are too low and will not satisfy environmental groups or other countries. He said he wants to build on this as a beginning and strengthen it going forward. Nobody should breathe easy that existing homes will not end up coming under the provision in any final bill passed in the Senate, or will not be added later on. It was the intent of the drafters of the bill to have these provisions apply to pre-existing homes. They had to bend on it to get it to pass the House. And HLAY 2009, you can let your uncle know that he won't be expected to tear it down, but everyone better go read section 204 of that bill before it was amended and figure out what the lawmakers truly have in mind as their goal.
And did you take the time to read the EPA report on global warming that didn't make it to the light of day? You talk about the politics of fear?! What is this entire bill built on but fear? What was the stimulus bill based upon but fear of economic collapse? I find it funny that the more liberal you are the more closed your mind is and the more limited your vocabulary.

#94 - We may be "closed minded" and have a "limited vocabulary" but at least our party is not drawing it's final breath! LOL
If you're so smart, you better get out there and help them GOP'ers ... they seem to be struggling ... LOL

Just FYI, I'm not a republican. I voted for Obama. I may not be "so smart," but I'm intelligent enough to read and not so lazy as to refuse to. Why do you frame this as a GOP issue? Don't you see that this bill will affect all Americans, regardless of party affilitation? Have you read the part of the bill that will provide 3 years of unemployment benefits to everyone thrown out of work because of this legislation? Why would they put that in the bill unless they knew how many people will be unemployed due to this law? Your fate regarding a pink slip will not rest on what party you're a registered member of.
And why can't you discuss the issue at hand, which is the climate bill that passed the House? Do you have to resort to name-calling because it frightens you when your world view is challenged? We have a duty as citizens in a free society to engage in civil debate and educate ourselves.

Have you? Do you even know what you're supporting?

Not that I'd expect everyone who supports it to read it first, but I'd at least expect them to expect their congress to read the damn thing before voting it into law.

#42 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

I don't support it. So f off.

"Have you read it?"

All 1300 pages? No, but I spent about 2 hours reading what I could last week. It isn't pretty.

#40 | Posted by JOE at 2009-06-29 10:49 AM | Reply

I have read some of it as well. I don't like it either.

Count on Congress to pass something that will benefit their cronies. Just like "deregulation" of utilities was supposed to increase competition and lower costs.

Anyone paying less now? Anyone?

Are you pleased with how this all went down?

#90 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-06-30 07:06 AM

Please tell us how that is any different than any other bill that has passed Congress in the last 20 years.

One major difference, 726, is that I voted for Obama party because he promised a break from the past and a new era of transparency in government. Bills were to be posted for 5 days on line before any vote so that citizens could try, as best we can, to understand them in their enormity and complexity. The laws being enacted now are going to affect me in ways that my little brain can barely get a handle on, and they are being passed in a way that seems to me to be far worse for transparency and democracy than anything I've seen before. Why is everything being done as if it's an emergency? This is different than it has been for the last 20 years because we were promised by this President that it would stop, and he's made it far worse. Transparency should not be a campaign slogan.

Well Obama has pissed down your back and told you it is raining.

as Hitchens would point out "makes me consider throwing up things that I don't even remember having eaten" when I see this power and money grab going down....

This is another patented Crisis. When a Crisis is facing us, the 5 day review period is off the table.
And I'll bet there are many more crisises to come. Like when this dumb fuck finds out we're broke. Now that will be a bonefide crisis.

I hope we're all going to a tea party on July 4 somewhere. Talk is cheap. We need to act to let people in Washington know that we are awake and aware of what they're doing.

#104 - our family is attending one. it will be an old time country fair theme.

p.s. - there's also a march on deecee planned.

commonsense - i never said you'd have to tear your house down, jerk.

Another way this bill will affect us all regardless of party, HLAY 2009, is by increasing the cost of everything we buy. The bill contains provisions to increase welfare benefits to offset "diminished purchasing power" that will result from this legislation. If you make over $33,000 a year, you're on your own, of course. If you want to discuss party politics, is this something democrats are willing to assume responsibility for or will this be Bush's fault, as well?

I don't support it. So f off.

#97 | Posted by 726 at 2009-06-30 08:30 AM

I hope we're all going to a tea party on July 4 somewhere. Talk is cheap. We need to act to let people in Washington know that we are awake and aware of what they're doing.

#104 | Posted by JTGATTO_FAN at 2009-06-30 09:06 AM

We the people must stop arguing for a moment about who are the guilty-spend more-or less. This situation is way beyond these distractions we are encouraged by the powers to muddle in. There should only be one goal at this point: cut the Government that is out of control down in size! Nothing of any consequence will change short of this. Restrict the feds power to print money uncontrollably. That is how we got on the hook---all these trillions on borrowed time and nothing to show for it. Since people are still living in the past and of the fat-God help us all

Live or Die: I voted for Obama; I'm not an Obama voter. He's not doing what he promised to do, so I no longer support him. And as to people who are reduced to slinging sexual insults at others who are exercising their rights of freedom of speech and peaceful assembly, I say F off and Die.

#110 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

a myth - i saw every sort of person there and spoke with many for a blog post i did in april. there were plenty of pist off democrats.

This bill does nothing to protect the enviroment because it has to be done on a global level and it never will be. This bill does what government does best. Add more paper pushers thereby decreasing efficency. Reminds me of the health care mess.

This bill does nothing to protect the enviroment because it has to be done on a global level and it never will be. This bill does what government does best. Add more paper pushers thereby decreasing efficency. Reminds me of the health care mess.

True... In the UK they're known for their mad queuing skills.
...wasting good portions of their lives to get through all the bureaucratic sludge they've law'ed themselves into.

We're on our way "folks".

Who profits financially from this bill being passed?

#9 | Posted by Sluggo at 2009-06-28 01:33

thats easy to start with

the pelosi's own stock in a place called clean air inc or something like that because when asked her office said..well yes but her husband takes care of the stocks and she doesnt know anything about them before voting..
ANY of you believe that????

and of course there is GE who owns nbc who is just another obama asskisser....whose leadership paid a visit to cnbc and ALL OF A SUDDEN the obama critizims STOPPED>....

and the music goes round and round and round

and its just wonderfull to read all of the sanctamony from libs here who make no bones about using this language.
he should have gone further

this pile of shit put forth by those pieces of shit...
and if they dont like that they can 'go fuck themsleves'

maplight on this bill - those in favor and opposed:

look at all the grubby little hands on the left who are for this bill and then the modesty on the right side...

Well then! I'm f-ing off.

#109 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

Have fun. :-)

Like when this dumb fuck finds out we're broke. Now that will be a bonefide crisis.

We have been broke for close to 30 years.

We have been broke for close to 30 years.

speak for yourself.

In any case, I thought we had a balanced budget only 8 years ago. Doesn't sound like "broke" to me.

Live or Die: I voted for Obama; I'm not an Obama voter.

#112 | Posted by JTGATTO_FAN at 2009-06-30 10:06 AM

He's not doing what he promised to do, so I no longer support him. And as to people who are reduced to slinging sexual insults at others who are exercising their rights of freedom of speech and peaceful assembly, I say F off and Die.

#112 | Posted by JTGATTO_FAN at 2009-06-30 10:06 AM

I only call the teabaggers teabaggers cuz I assumed they were primarily being lead by hypocritical republicans. I appreciate and support the general message of telling Washington that we're fed up with their shenanigans when it comes to our nation's fiscal health, and I am completely opposed to much of Obama's agenda, but I can't look to the repubs as the answer to the opposition. They did the same shit.

But it's interesting to see Obama voters (not necessarily supporters) join in the parties.

Your home begins to deteriorate, decay and fall apart the minute you start the build.
In order to maintain it, you should average about 8% of the original purchase price annually in maintenance and r&r, just to maintain its original value. Almost all of the primary systems will fail or otherwise require replacement within 20 years. And it gets worse as time goes by.
The vast majority of people do nothing other than cosmetic improvements that do not maintain its original value, then expect top dollar for it 20-30 years out, basically ripping off the buyer. They get help here from appraisers whom put more value in cosmetic appearance than functional life cycle use. You'll know this when they tell you the addition of, say crown moulding, increases the value. The home should lose value, like every other durable good. When was the last time your stove, refrigerator, your car increase in value?
At best, the average life span of any home built is about 35-40 years, at which point they begin to need structural re-building as well as systems replacement.
By the way, most home inspectors have never built anything and are often in cahoots with appraisers and or builders.
A home is not an investment, beyond its use as a home.

In any case, I thought we had a balanced budget only 8 years ago. Doesn't sound like "broke" to me.

#122 | Posted by eberly

Depends on whose math you use and what you choose to have on your ledger.

#124 | Posted by gitmboy

is that all your opinion? you used a lot of numbers that, in my personal experiece, doesn't come close to working out accurately.

or are you using a source for your claims?

if YOUR state decides at some point in the future to accept federal bailout monies, they will also be beholden to the feds in that they must adopt federal laws regarding homeowner inspections and you will more than likely HAVE to install such things as the "shower nazi" amongst other things BEFORE you sell your home - buyer beware: