Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Thursday, June 25, 2009

To help balance its budget, California has reduced the state tax credit for dependents. The change will increase a family's California taxes for 2009 by about $210 per dependent compared with 2008. A family with one dependent that normally gets a state-tax refund will get back $210 less when they file their 2009 return next year. A family that normally owes money will have to pay $210 more. Multiply that by two or more dependents, and it really adds up.

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Considering you live in the cesspool known as Arkansaw, I wouldn't be throwing too many stones nanc.

Hey they are the ones that voted down the budget. Elections have consequences.

They are also the ones that voted in all their representatives as well as that dimbulb governor of theirs.

My little tax deduction is 26.

this one is just the beginning

Well, as long as they legalize marijuana at least THEN I could still feel good while getting fucked.

"The change will increase a family's California taxes for 2009 by about $210 per dependent compared with 2008."

Good. About time to stop subsidizing people's procreative choices.

Anchor babies still get in tax free: the more you have, the bigger the discount so breed like bunnies!

cali to issue iou's in a week if fiscal crisis is not settled:

news.yahoo.com

Sacramento is doing nothing more then spitting on a bon fire when I comes to fixing the budget problem. L.A. alone spends $100 million a year on incarcerating illegal aliens. Even though the tax increase was voted down they will get it by other means......it's called "fees"

California needs to increase taxes majorly. Somehow just ramrod it through. I suggest adding ramping up the sales tax.

"Good. About time to stop subsidizing people's procreative choices."

I hope you're joking. People with children have much greater expenses than those who don't. It's really no different than taxing rich people more than others. I also hope you're not suggesting that familes don't need that $210 to care for their children.

I hope you're joking. People with children have much greater expenses than those who don't. It's really no different than taxing rich people more than others. I also hope you're not suggesting that familes don't need that $210 to care for their children.

Nope, no joke. People with children made a choice to have kids, why should people without kids (me) help pay for your youngins?

I'll go one step further. Schools should be paid for by parents directly. Not one penny should be taken from me so your child can get a mediocre overpriced education. Public school, private school, homeschool, whatever....your choice on your dime. There shouldn't be ANY deductions for kids, in fact we should tax you per child. The more children you have, the greater the burden on society, the greater the tax liability.

Good. About time to stop subsidizing people's procreative choices.

You mean citizen's procreative choices. There are some groups of people who will continue to have their procreative choices subsidized.

I also hope you're not suggesting that familes don't need that $210 to care for their children.

Maybe they need to find a second job to subsidize their inability to use birth control? You know what I need, a G5 Gulfstream, let's put the taxpayers on the hook for what I need for once.

There shouldn't be ANY deductions for kids, in fact we should tax you per child. The more children you have, the greater the burden on society, the greater the tax liability.

#13 | Posted by r8rh8r at 2009-06-25 09:29 AM



They have a word for societies that discourage having children...





Extinct.


i'm sure they're willing to continue paying a mother and child on welfare for life $500+- per month, however. plus foodstamps and medical.

the photo is getting larger:

money.cnn.com

#13 | Posted by r8rh8r at 2009-06-25 09:29 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: Whiner

Not one penny should be taken from me so your child.....

you could have stopped there.

I'll go one step further. Schools should be paid for by parents directly. Not one penny should be taken from me so your child can get a mediocre overpriced education. Public school, private school, homeschool, whatever....your choice on your dime. There shouldn't be ANY deductions for kids, in fact we should tax you per child. The more children you have, the greater the burden on society, the greater the tax liability.


#13 | Posted by r8rh8r at 2009-06-25 09:29 AM | Reply |


I agree and disagree at the same time.
School's get way too much money as it is, and they absolutely suck. As a parent that send their kid to a private school I pay twice.
Also, [people with kids do drain more resources from local and state governments, which in turn take more from the Fed.

The problem is the bottom feeders that spit out kids at an amazing clip. They not only take and take and take, but the fuck trophies they have will grow up and do the same because they don't take avandtage of the education we provide with our tax dollars.

Gays can complain of discrimination, but single people and married with no children have a legit gripe too.

meanwhile the jobless claims rise:

www.bloomberg.com

cali was at 11.5 - wonder when they'll hit the great depression mark? july 1st?

We need to quit paying for illegals. It is very simple.

This tax increase is a drop in the bucket to close the deficit gap. The state should go for some real money and start selling dope.

#13 | Posted by r8rh8r at 2009-06-25 09:29 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: Whiner

#19 | Posted by eberlyFlag: Needs Me To Help Raise His Family

They have a word for societies that discourage having children...

No one is "discouraging" anything. Have all the kids you want. You can have 37 kids, just don'task me to pay for them.

Or are you saying 'the wonderful, magical, joy of being a parent' can be trumped by a few extra nickles in your bank account?

Good. About time to stop subsidizing people's procreative choices.

#7 | Posted by nullifidian

.....can't get laid, huh ?.......

.....can't get laid, huh ?.......

#27 | Posted by skizziksFalg: Too Stupid To Use A Condom

2003 state expenditures per person for the total California population (all programs) was $2,709. Illegal immigrants receive between 1.6 and 3.3 times the average for all residents, legal and illegal.

NICE

2003 state expenditures per person for the total California population (all programs) was $2,709. Illegal immigrants therefore receive between 1.6 and 3.3 times the average for all residents, legal and illegal.

Multiplying the per capita fiscal impact estimates above by our range of population estimates yields the following aggregate fiscal impacts, all highly negative.

Low: $9.574 billion

Median: $21.207 billion

High: $38.280 billion

I'm fairly certain we're in no great danger of making ourselves extinct due to underpopulation.

I understand the argument in favor of tax breaks for expenses for children, but by paying people to have more children than they can afford, you are also paying people to increase the burden on the government services that the taxes themselves are supposed to pay for.

It is similar to a restaurant charging people less the more they eat.

#31 | Posted by RobertR

I really doubt people have more children just for the tax break. That would be like buying a case of beer (ok, we get to drink it) just so we can turn the cans in for money.


Considering you live in the cesspool known as Arkansaw, I wouldn't be throwing too many stones nanc.

#1 | Posted by jerrytarkanian

You've never been there, have you?

I love watching these idiots. Glenn Beck imitates them really well. You'd be funny on "Moron Trivia"

"I love watching these idiots. Glenn Beck imitates them really well."

Glenn Beck doesn't imitate idiots; he's the genuine article.

#32 | Posted by chickenrancher - FF!

i never thought of it that way!

"Glenn Beck doesn't imitate idiots; he's the genuine article."

I don't know, Doc. Seems he's doing a pretty job of getting under some folks' skins...including yours. Maybe he's crazy like a fox?


We need to quit paying for illegals. It is very simple.
.........#23 | Posted by chickenrancher
About time to stop subsidizing people's procreative choices.
............#7 | Posted by nullifidian

.......amazing how easy to spot the pro-lifers are in any crowd.......

......they wear a glowing mantle of hatred that only dims for the zygote........

It figures that CA would reduce a tax deduction which has the same effect as a tax increase while, at the same time, maintain or increase welfare, schooling, medical and other benefits for illegals. Go figure.


"Glenn Beck doesn't imitate idiots; he's the genuine article."


I don't know, Doc. Seems he's doing a pretty job of getting under some folks' skins...including yours. Maybe he's crazy like a fox?


#36 | Posted by jestgettinalong

Jest,

Doc is not replying because he just put his fist through his monitor.

It's not that most people would have more children they don't want to get the tax break. It's that the tax break influences some people's decisions. For example, perhaps they are weighing having a third, they are scraping by with two, and they know the increased tax credit would help with the third.

If cost is no factor at all, it won't matter.

But to the extent cost is a factor, anything mitigating that cost also becomes a factor.

Jest,

Doc is not replying because he just put his fist through his monitor.

Posted by Eddie

Says the guy who always comes out on the short end of every exchange and must live vicariously through other posters.

#37 | POSTED BY SKIZZIKS

Why is a reluctance to subsidize illegal immigrants always knee-jerkingly referred to as "hatred" or "xenophobic"? Just because someone wants immigrants to come into the country legally, that makes them a xenophobe?

Says the guy who always comes out on the short end of every exchange and must live vicariously through other posters.

#41 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2009-06-25 11:18 AM | Reply | Flag: Self Retorting

#41 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2009-06-25 11:18 AM | Reply | Flag: Self Retorting

#43 | Posted by Eddie at 2009-06-25 11:21 AM | Reply | Flag: Apparently lacks understanding of the term

The change will increase a family's California taxes for 2009 by about $210 per dependent compared with 2008."


Good. About time to stop subsidizing people's procreative choices.

#7 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-0


starting tomorrow with the vote on cap and trade..that huge rise in taxes and costs and unemployment will more than offset this little break they might be getting
and all brought to you by the dupes of america, formally known as obama supporters.

Why is a reluctance to subsidize illegal immigrants always knee-jerkingly referred to as "hatred" or "xenophobic"? Just because someone wants immigrants to come into the country legally, that makes them a xenophobe?

#42 | Posted by the_nether at 2009-06-25 11:20 AM | Reply | Flag


Because it's the limpwristed lefty's knee jerk response to anything they can not explain (or are afraid to confront).
The creature known as Pussicanus Liberalus doesn't like to candidly address issues of race or immigration because they fear reality.

I don't know, Doc. Seems he's doing a pretty job of getting under some folks' skins...including yours. Maybe he's crazy like a fox?
#36 | Posted by jestgettinalong

Glenn Beck definitely doesn't get under my skin. I've only seen him him in bits and pieces, caught him a few times on the radio while driving, and he comes across to me as potentially certifiable. I don't know if it's his status as a recovering alcoholic or what, but the guy seems to be about as close to being possessed by those creatures the tightie righties try to fend off with their night lights as anyone I've run into short of a full-blown psychotic. Basically, I look upon him as a paraody.

And speaking of parodies:

Doc is not replying because he just put his fist through his monitor.
#39 | Posted by Eddie

No, lil' fella, Doc wasn't replying because Doc was out and about running errands, getting ready for a scuba diving trip. Don't you ever get tired of winning the "Doesn't Know What He's Talking About" flag?



#41 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2009-06-25 11:18 AM | Reply | Flag: Self Retorting


#43 | Posted by Eddie at 2009-06-25 11:21 AM | Reply | Flag: Apparently lacks understanding of the term

#44 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2009-06-25 11:24 AM | Reply | Flag: Another fist through Monitor

Glenn Beck definitely doesn't get under my skin.

No, lil' fella, Doc wasn't replying because Doc was out and about running errands...

#47 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2009-06-25 11:32 AM | Reply | Flag: LIAR

You know for a fact that I wasn't out and about running errands getting ready for a scuba trip, Eddie? What are you -- aside from a complete horse's ass -- clairvoyant?

#48 | Posted by Eddie| Flag: Imitates Flag Posting But Not Quite Up To The Task

#49 | Posted by Eddie| Flag: Dumbass

That's how it's done, Eddie.

#46 - I figured.

#44 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2009-06-25 11:24 AM | Reply | Flag: Another fist through Monitor

#48 | Posted by Eddie

Poor Eddie! No, nothing you've ever posted came even remotely close to making me want to put my fist through a monitor. Although a couple of times I HAVE had trouble catching my breath between gales of laughter, if that counts.

Good! Now eliminate it all together and give the money to the school districts where the children live.

"Now eliminate it all together and give the money to the school districts where the children live."

Good idea! I'm sure the government, school board and the teachers' union will find a good use for it.

GO GETTUM EDDIE

you can tell when you are hitting the target cant you...

again.....this wont make a bit of difference when all taxes and prices go up after the vote tomorrow that pelosi says HAS to be then or we may all see the end of the republic

#57 | Posted by afkabl2

Good for you Ish! Back someone, no matter how big a moron they are, for no other reason than who is on the opposite side.

GO GETTUM EDDIE
#57 | Posted by afkabl2

That's all the little guy needs, a one-man-band cheering section egging him along the fast track of willful idiocy.

yeah yeah

more comments from dick and lick.....yada yada yada yada

Yippie more taxes on the middle class!

Why don't they cut programs? Stop paying for things they cannot afford. Illinois is having the same discussion. They want to raise taxes rather then cut programs.

You have put your finger on the dilemma of all government and the reason I am an anarchist. The power to tax, once conceded, has no limits; it contains until it destroys. I was not joking when I told them to dig into their own pouches. It may not be possible to do away with government sometimes I think that government is an inescapable disease of human beings. But it may be possible to keep it small and starved and inoffensive and can you think of a better way than by requiring the governors themselves to pay the costs of their antisocial hobby?

-Robert Heinlein The Moon is a Harsh Mistress

Do you think the dem politicians in Calif. will realy figure out how to pay for all the stupid social programs they think are so neat? That is one small step. They realy need to cut spending. The feds need to also.

#7 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-06-23 03:25 PM

"The change will increase a family's California taxes for 2009 by about $210 per dependent compared with 2008."
Good. About time to stop subsidizing people's procreative choices.
Cool. Just don't ask my procreative choices to provide care for you. Some countries anticipate a ratio of 100 people over 65 to 165 workers, not people, by say 2050. Change your own diapers. You may have reverted to Depends by that time.

Hopefully, the percentage of total revenue and resources allocated for the childless sand therefore more dependent old will have declined by that time.

Soylent green anyone?



Oops. Screwed that one up. If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. I suppose that also applies to guys shooting blanks and thus who don't have offspring. I'm willing to accept a trade-off. I'll pay the taxes and you don't receive help in your old age from the kids whom you find burdensome now.

#7 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-06-23 03:25 PM

"The change will increase a family's California taxes for 2009 by about $210 per dependent compared with 2008."

Good. About time to stop subsidizing people's procreative choices.

Cool. Just don't ask my procreative choices to provide care for you. Some countries anticipate a ratio of 100 people over 65 to 165 workers, not people, by say 2050. Change your own diapers. You may have reverted to Depends by that time.

Hopefully, the percentage of total revenue and resources allocated for the childless sand therefore more dependent old will have declined by that time.

Soylent green anyone?


Why is a reluctance to subsidize illegal immigrants always knee-jerkingly referred to as "hatred" or "xenophobic"? Just because someone wants immigrants to come into the country legally, that makes them a xenophobe?
......#42 | Posted by the_nether

....I am opposed to illegal immigration & in favor of tightening immigration controls (although neither party seems particularly interested)......

....however.....saying that it is the illegal immigrants who are at fault, because the idiots in California cannot pass a balanced budget, is just a form of buck-passing....like attacking Iraq because the Saudis paid for 9-11.....

.....and it stirs up hatred of the illegals, as being the cause of the California budgetary deficit......frankly....those Californians should be able to pass a balanced budget WITH OR WITHOUT illegals.....

.....blaming the illegals is similar to the European Jews being blamed for the world wide depression prior to WW2......they had been in Europe for a thousand years, the hate mongers said it was their fault the world economy shrank, and took it out on the Jews, who suffered as much or more than anybody because of the depression......

.....so to blame the budgetary mess on ILLEGALS, or on a CHILD TAX CREDIT, is the height of stupidity, and shows a streak of HATRED a mile wide......

.....the California legislators are IDIOTS....pure and simple......

#8 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-06-23 03:25 PM

Anchor babies still get in tax free: the more you have, the bigger the discount so breed like bunnies!

Hey, it's benefits for vote time. Don't you like the now corrupt American system?

De facto: No borders.

De jure: Amnesty

De jure: Entitlement by amnesty recipients to rationed health care program resources over categories less "worthy" other Americans.

I wonder if "Americans" will ever become sufficiently disaffected that they take to the streets to demonstrate as folks have done elsewhere. And the left has demonstrated in the U.S. also with riots in the cities, and more ideologically as at the bank meeting.

This administration is playing with the tax laws to benefit unionized workers with tax benefits on medical insurance and the like.

Is Obama a commiesymp. No, Obama and his family are commies with a commie agenda complicated by his grievances against "the so-called rich." Remember what the Reds did to the kulaks. When totalitarianism and tyranny come to America, they'll come from the left bolstered by the pretense of "good intentions."

A dynamic economy that was responsible for creating a well-to-do middle class with a standared of living unparalleled elsewhere, encouraging innovation and enterprise, is stultified with a spiral of reduced productivity, and "the promise" that somehow despite reduced productivity, there will be more wherewithal. It takes the imagination of a quantum physicist to reconcile the incongruities in the scenario presented by Obama.

Aside from all of this, Obama is aggrieved against America and Americans, solidifying an earlier acquired attitude by being repeatedly inculcated in him by his two decade mentor, America-hater and racial bigot, Rev. Wright. Obama is "getting whitey," provident Americans who have worked and acquired some status, deprivbing them of any advantage they obtained due to their industry, including access to necessarily rationed health care.

Obama favors radical totalitarian regimes abroad, theocratic or leftist. E.g., Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia ... Oh, what the heck. The creep Obama actually sent a conciliatory letter to the Grand Ayatollah of Iran "before" the election expressing respect and support for a repressive totalitarian regime that sponsors terrorism, and which has been responsible for at least hundreds of deaths of American military in Iraq, providing weaponry and training to "the insurgents." Obama is mentally ill, but he is not excused because of that. He is doing great harm in a position of power.

#67 | Posted by skizziks at 2009-06-25 03:32 PM

....however.....saying that it is the illegal immigrants who are at fault, because the idiots in California cannot pass a balanced budget, is just a form of buck-passing....

skizziks, the reason the opposition to subsidizing illegal aliens is referred to as racist, or introduce other pejoratives, is that there is from the perspective of most of us, little compelling rational basis for having admitted the illegal aliens here through a porous phoney system that's supposedly is designed to prevent their entrance, and laws and practices that enable them to remain here and benefit from among other things state subsidized education for their children, health care, and various and sundry other expensive benefits.

skizzix, few of us "blame" the illegal aliens. They found an opportunity and are generally trying to imporve their situations. Few of them have any malicious intent to inflict harm on Americans by their presence and actions.

The presence of illegal aliens is similar to a resultant in a vector. There are several "pulls" of varying strength that have combined to foster the continued presence of illegal aliens here, ranging from exploitive employers (note the construction and fast food and meat packing industries as examples), advocate groups experiencing "empathy," and calculating politicians who view this group as future voters who will be aligned with their party insuring them an irremovable grip on power (and the incidents such as wealth that flow from such control).

This, however, does not negate the actual cost to California, where 25% of the 6.8 million K-12 students require English as a Second Language (ESL) programs due to lack of familiarity with English. More than 50% of K-12 enrollment statewide is Hispanic, and it predominates even more in Southern California. How you can dismiss such cost as not a significant factor in California's budgetary crisis, boggles the mind.

There are of course, a plethora of other costs, not itemized ranging from welfare to a disproportionate use of the criminal justice system (apprehension, judicial processing, incarceration), rent subsidies, food stamps, welfare, free lunches, WIC, and access to and use of the health care system (which has also greatly compromised the emergency care facilities function), etc. Again, how you can arbitraily dismiss such exorbitant costs as not a key factor in California's economic malaise, boggles the mind.

Are the politicians in bed with the unions so that State employees receive more than twice the equivalent wage in the private sector for the same jobs? Yes. Is the symbiotic relationship between the politicians and the unions resulting in the State going the GM route to unsustainability?

Is the unwillingness of the politicians to curtail "benefits" to be compatible with State income, also a factor? Yes.

There are many reasons for the disastrous situation in California. That does not negate the massive inpact of illegal aliens and their offspring on the system in terms of costs, which are not offset by their relatively low incomes. There is a negative budgetary impact as a consequence of their presence. Your summary dismissal of aliens as a significant factor is unjustified.

#1 | Posted by jerrytarkanian at 2009-06-23 02:31 PM

Considering you live in the cesspool known as Arkansaw, I wouldn't be throwing too many stones nanc.

Shucks. Remember Arkansas gave us that great American icon, Bill Clinton (and nurtured his Illinois and then New Yorker wife so she became a U.S. Senator and then a Secretary of State).

Anyway, it used to be that the song was:

"Dear Arkie if you see okie,
Tell him Tex has got a job for him
Out in Californ-ay-ey."

But gosh, jerry, California is so unattractive that even if you are correct and Arkansas is a cesspool, people are leaving California to go to a cesspool. Now that speaks well of the place of California in the opinions of people "voting with their feet?"

Johnson, your post are very insightful as always. Should be required reading for our political leaders but they are too busy pursuing goals of a more personal nature and can't be bothered with things like maintaining the well being of the country they swore to serve.

All I know is that Octomom is gunna be pissed when she finds out the state is screwed her out of $2940.00

I'll go one step further. Schools should be paid for by parents directly. Not one penny should be taken from me so your child can get a mediocre overpriced education. Public school, private school, homeschool, whatever....your choice on your dime. There shouldn't be ANY deductions for kids, in fact we should tax you per child. The more children you have, the greater the burden on society, the greater the tax liability.
#13 | POSTED BY R8RH8R AT 2009-06-25 09:29 AM | REPLY | FLAG

Get rid of public schools, teacher's unions, the school fees on new developments, and reduce tax burden overall on citizens based on the percentage that is spent on schools, and you've got a deal...

California needs to increase taxes majorly. Somehow just ramrod it through. I suggest adding ramping up the sales tax.

#11 | Posted by jackass

I don't often write in, but Jackass must be the stupidest person to write to the DR. California pays about the highest sales taxes in the nation, nearly 10% in some cities. Why doesn't he ask for something intelligent such as asking the legislature to slow down their spending. Since the state was $15B in debt last summer, these idiots have hired an additional 1500 state workers and now we are in debt $25B. Jackass, please address the problem intelligently rather than the liberal approach of tax, tax, and tax.

#73 | Posted by DarwinWasRight

rasta is OUR jackass! besides that, arkansas has a nearly 10% sales tax also in many counties. (he's an anti-troll pretending to be a libtard - don't tell him that i know.)

California needs to increase taxes majorly. Somehow just ramrod it through. I suggest adding ramping up the sales tax.


#11 | Posted by jackass

How can I put this delicately? California's politicians have already "ramrodded" us but good with their tax increases until the voters overwhelmingly said NO MORE and voted NO on all the tax increase propositions this last year.

These sleezy politicians won't even call it a "tax"! They try to sneak it by the voters by calling it a "revenue enhancer" as if we're all too stupid to know the difference!

[Jackass is] an anti-troll pretending to be a libtard - don't tell him that i know.)

#74 | Posted by nanc at 2009-06-26 12:26 AM

Okay, shhhhhh. Keep it quiet.

Jackass just likes to say the most outrageous things he can just to see if he can get a reaction out of someone. All it makes me do is laugh.

California's politicians have already "ramrodded"...

But ratsa loves to be 'ramrodded' if you know what I mean

I don't often write in, but Jackass must be the stupidest person to write to the DR. California pays about the highest sales taxes in the nation, nearly 10% in some cities.... Jackass, please address the problem intelligently rather than the liberal approach of tax, tax, and tax.

#73 | Posted by DarwinWasRight


Guess you weren't aware, but Jackass DID address California's tax problem intelligently. He moved to Texas last month. True!

I'm sorry. I didn't realize that Jackass was the board joke. In that case I won't make the mistake of responding to him again.

"I didn't realize that Jackass was the board joke."

Jackass is the board joke.

Just like he was when he was Hardcore, or Rastaninnja, or Messiah.

Or when he signed on to other blogs as "Danforth" from "the retort".

And a bad joke, at that.

Darwin you can afford more taxes and deserve to pay more. Social programs are needed. Are you against children getting an education or against the elderly getting medical care? If not pay your taxes and be quiet.

I never signed on as you Danforth. Get it through your thick skull.

I'm sorry for responding to Jackass again, but it is hard to not when I hear such stupidity. I am not against education or elderly care, but a recent newspaper did an analysis of the California bureaucracy and found about 320 bureaus, committees, etc. out of Sacramento. Unfortunately they could only identify what about half of them did. Let's cut some of them.

The legislature recently did cut SIX of these groups. One was the Education Secretary. It seems that the Education Secretary is not even part of the Department of Education. What does it do? At least it is now obsolete. Must have been a real disappointment to someone.

These bureaus, committees, etc. are mostly headed by former legislators or relatives of legislators who make a 6-figure income.

Hey Jackass, how about if we cut some of these? Maybe we would have some left for education and the elderly.

"I never signed on as you Danforth. Get it through your thick skull."
~Jackass, aka Messiah, aka Hardcore, aka Rastaninnja

Interesting you would use that particular phrase... "get it through your thick skull". because I found a very interesting cache:

"Get it through your thick skull, you are not the focus of my investigation. There is a rhyme to my reason and it won"t be unveiled until a later date. Victory isn"t a one day process it takes weeks to develop and sometimes months"
---A self-destruct email, sent to me by Messiah (Rastaninja) (Jackass)


"Danforth how about showing a little class and quit insulting me when I haven't done anything to you. You obviously don't have a clue as to what I'm trying to do."
Posted by Messiah at 2008-06-27 02:19 PM


"Danforth I was trying to get some information. I used your name to trigger a response. I didn't even pick your name. I was told by somebody else to use it."
Posted by Messiah at 2008-06-27 02:29 PM

So...you were saying you never signed on as me, yet these posts seem to prove you signed on as me. And in these posts, you seem to admit you signed on as me.

What say you, jackass?

"I was told by somebody else to use it.""

A year later, jackass. Can you finally tell us who "told" you to use my name?

A self destruct email??? WTF Did you take a photo of it?? Do you have any proof besides your word?

Well, there he goes, tail tucked under...

So there it is, folks...left or right, if you ever want to do any pest control, just proffer this one question:

Is it true you actually signed on to another blog as "Danforth' from "the Retort"?!?

Jackass will run like the pussy he is.

If California would have kept Gray Davis the state might have been alright. Gray knew what needed to be done but the idiot residents wouldn't comply. I thought Gray was a wonderful governor.

Danforth is a liar and a fraud. He tells stories about me to make himself look better.

"Do you have any proof besides your word?"

Yea, I have the verbatim transcript of what you sent. It seems the little motherfucker didn't destruct as quickly as you thought it would.

You're lying and you know it. What are you going to do next, you little chickenshit prick?

"Danforth is a liar and a fraud."

Gee, then why did you admit to me and to others on this blog that YOU were the liar and fraud?

Should have taken a picture of it. Your word vs mine is all you have. I never sent you self destruct and you know it. Please stop lying and move on. The childish vendetta you have against me makes you look bad.

"Your word vs mine is all you have"

And your word was that you signed on to another blog as me.

At long last, are you still nothing but a liar?

"The childish vendetta you have against me makes you look bad."

You're a liar, and you know it, and I know it. That's all that really matters, dude. Posture all you want. It just makes you look all that much more ridiculous.

Danforth you are a fraud that is incapable of winning a debate. If Rex wasn't on suspension you know you wouldn't be acting up since you are deathly afraid of his wit. And no I am not the liar you are. Your lying is almost as bad as your acting.

re jackass:

This is hearsay for me since I wasn't here then, but I was told by several members (the older ones can confirm this) that he posted private information (names, address) of a member here. I'm surprised rcade let him back after that.

Goat I never did any such thing. They are all lies. I abide by the net etiquette set forth by RCADE.

"If Rex wasn't on suspension you know you wouldn't be acting up since you are deathly afraid of his wit."

Rex has no wit. And you are twice the pussy for trying to hide under his skirt.

"And no I am not the liar you are."

How stupid are you? You claimed you never logged on to another blog as me. I cited a blog post from you admitting you logged on to another blog as me. And now you claim I'm lying? Too fuckin' funny!

I didn't admit to shit Danforth.

"I didn't admit to shit Danforth."

"Danforth I was trying to get some information. I used your name to trigger a response. I didn't even pick your name. I was told by somebody else to use it."
Posted by Messiah at 2008-06-27 02:29 PM

Folks, you have my facts, and you have Jackass's lies.

You make the call.

Goat I never did any such thing. They are all lies

Why would people make that stuff up, ratsa? I've caught you lying many times. Why should I believe you now? From what I hear this hard core socialist role you play is also an act -- that you used to be hard right. Is this a lie, too?

Hey, Jackass, where did you go?

You claimed you didn't admit shit to me, then I posted where you admitted a lot to me.

Since I rubbed your nose in that lie, what are you going to claim next?

Danforth all you have is lies. You have shown no evidence I said any of this. All you have is your imagination.


Goat I have always been a liberal.

"You have shown no evidence I said any of this. "

Except your post, dipshit. Or are you going to compound the lies and claim you weren't "Messiah"?!?

Gawd, you get more pathetic with every post.

"All you have is your imagination."

And a half-dozen witnesses, you clueless fool.

Goat I have always been a liberal.

#104 | Posted by jackass at 2009-06-26 03:05 AM

Then why did you leave DR to go over to PWZ -- the definitely rightwing website started by Rex?

This kind of argument is like trying to wrestle a pig in a pigpen until you realize that the pig likes it (and makes about as much sense).

Then why did you leave DR to go over to PWZ -- the definitely rightwing website started by Rex?

#107 | Posted by CalifChris

I was banned from the retort anyways. I was just posting here anyways against the wishes of RCADE. I joined Rex's site because I can still be friends with somebody even if I don't agree with their political views. When Rex is here we generally talk more about sports and other life's happenings. I also agreed with Rex that rightwingers were getting more dumps than leftwingers. I think Rcade is generally fair but will dump a rightwingers comments faster than a leftwingers.

And a half-dozen witnesses, you clueless fool.

#106 | Posted by Danforth

Danforth you'll never pin this shit on me. Just give it up and try not getting your ass handed to you on this blog for a change.

#109 -- Thanks for your answer, Jackass.

"Danforth you'll never pin this shit on me."

Of course, because you'll never admit the truth you and I know. And you'll still wonder why you're not happy.

Yes or no: were you "Messiah"?

Folks, you have my facts, and you have Jackass's lies.

You make the call.

Danforth, I don't think there's any question that anyone would would take your word of ratsa's. I don't agree with you on a lot of stuff, but I know a phony when I see one, and rasta/jackass/messiah/etc. is one of the biggest ones I've seen in my life. The guy is a loser all the way around.

"Danforth you'll never pin this shit on me."

Posts the guy who pinned the shit on himself.

I come here for the comedy....

CaliforniaChris can California be saved? Or do you think it is destined to become a complete shithole? Abandoned houses everywhere. No jobs to be found and when you do find a job you might be competing against illegals. Rampant crime. Wow it has gone downhill since the 70's and early 80's.

"Danforth, I don't think there's any question..."

Thanks, Goat. Nighttime red skies to you.

Goat I have always been a liberal.

I've heard differently from three other people. You are outvoted. You are a liar and a fraud.

"Danforth you'll never pin this shit on me."

Of course, because you'll never admit the truth you and I know. And you'll still wonder why you're not happy.

Yes or no: were you "Messiah"?

#112 | Posted by Danforth


It was a frame job to ruin my name on this blog. I think I know who was behind it but I have to do more research.

Goat I have always been a liberal.

I've heard differently from three other people. You are outvoted. You are a liar and a fraud.

#117 | Posted by goatman

You heard wrong goat.

"It was a frame job to ruin my name on this blog. I think I know who was behind it but I have to do more research."

Really?!? Gee...who do you think is behind it? Who? Who??? Oooo, oooo, was it the same person who "told you" to use my name on the other blog? Was it? Was it???

#115 | Posted by jackass at 2009-06-26 03:39 AM | Reply | Flag: MISDIRECTION

Troll, Junkie...you won't get away from me.

LOL.

You're busted, phony...

Yes or no: were you "Messiah"?
#112 | Posted by Danforth

...Wow [California] has gone downhill since the 70's and early 80's....

- Jackass

It's become a third world country. 40% of Los Angeles County work under the table (as they are illegals). Any taxes paid by illegals are less than they use in social services and costs to pay for their kids' schooling and how much tax do you pay anyway making $12 an hour and 5 kids you can claim as deductions.

More than 1/2 of California's state budget goes to pay for the schools and a good portion of those in the schools are immigrants (mostly illegals) many of whom don't graduate because they do not -- by culture -- place a high importance on education.

What kind of work force will that produce 10 - 15 years from now? A non-educated, non-skilled work force. What businesses would want to relocate here? None, as they would not have a trained work force from which to choose. California in the 1970's was among the top five in best rated schools and graduation rates in the nation. Today, only Mississippi is lower than California.

It's a beautiful state but for how much longer? This doesn't mean I don't like a lot of the immigrants who have moved here. I know many of them and they are from everywhere, but just because I like them doesn't mean I can support them -- and by supporting I mean through ever increasing taxes.

Anyway, I'm moving out of here and so are thousands of other California citizens. Businesses are also leaving in droves. You can't tax educated, working Americans into the poorhouse to pay for all the needed social services. Face it, we're going bankrupt.

So how do you like Texas? Have you met any friends yet at work? If I could line up a part time job I'd move there for sure if it were some city near the coast. Don't want the hotter part of Texas. What's Houston like? I've heard both pros and cons.

Nighttime red skies to you

Took me a minute, but I finally figured out the reference. I'm running slow tonight.

Anyway -- thanks

It was a frame job to ruin my name on this blog.

Best one yet. Ratsa, you ruin your own name on this blog. You don't need any help at all.

You heard wrong goat.

As I said, you are outvoted. I don't believe you no matter what you say. So don't waste keystrokes trying to convince me otherwise.

I don't live anywhere near Houston. I live in Laredo. I will say this about Texas it is much cheaper than Cali. You can get a very nice 1 bedroom for 650 month. Good luck in the Bay Area trying to get that.

I think Cali needs to move to a Sales Tax model and ditch state Taxes. This will force illegals to pay in whether they like it or not. Cali also needs to deport all illegals picked up. As it stands now my hometown of Santa Cruz only deports on serious crimes.

Goat like I said earlier just because I have conservative friends does not mean I am one. I have a variety of interests and can very easily avoid talking about things I know will cause an argument. If you met me I bet you wouldn't know who I voted for unless you asked me and then I would be truthful.

Nighttime red skies to you


"Red sky at night, sailor's delight.

Red sky in morning, sailor's warning"

I think Cali needs to move to a Sales Tax model and ditch state Taxes. This will force illegals to pay in whether they like it or not. Cali also needs to deport all illegals picked up. As it stands now my hometown of Santa Cruz only deports on serious crimes.

#127 | Posted by jackass at 2009-06-26 04:06 AM

Well, you're still attached and care what happens there because I'll bet at some point you plan to move back to California? It's different for me. As much as I loved the state (and will always have a fondness for it as I lived there so long), I have no intention of returning to California once I leave.

In case anyone needs any further proof that RastaJackNinjaAss is a spoof, look no further than the father's day thread.

Ask yourself: can this individual honestly be for real, or is this just too over the top?

If your dad is a repub tell him you think his beleifs are wrong. Last Xmas I sent my old man a letter explaining he would burn in hell if he didn't change

Parents if you teach your kids only one thing teach them liberalism. From this you can be assured they will grow to be wonderful adults

Just got back from taking myself to dinner. I deserve it. Even though I miss birthdays and holidays my kids always get the 550 a month child support from my check. I could be a deadbeat dad but I do the right thing.

From one troll to another, Mr. Ass, icwutudidthar...you're too obvious...and full of shit...

Of course I plan on going back. It is in my blood.
where else can you go snow skiing and water skiing on the same day. Hopefully in decade or so the problems will be straightened out and I can go back. I just hope I don't end up marrying a Texan that refuses to move back to Cali with me.

where else can you go snow skiing and water skiing on the same day.

I'm sure that's at the top of everyone's criteria list when choosing a place to live. Taxes, schools, COL, crime stats -- who cares?

I just hope I don't end up marrying a Texan that refuses to move back to Cali with me.

Better not marry one then. It's easier stop the sun in the sky than to convince a Texan to leave Texas.

I'm sure that's at the top of everyone's criteria list when choosing a place to live. Taxes, schools, COL, crime stats -- who cares?

#133 | Posted by goatman

Leisure activities is one thing people do look at goat. Everybody has their reasons which may not jive with yours.

I don't live anywhere near Houston. I live in Laredo. I will say this about Texas it is much cheaper than Cali. You can get a very nice 1 bedroom for 650 month. Good luck in the Bay Area trying to get that.

- Jackass

Is that what the Houston area is called -- the Bay Area? (I'm so used to hearing that term applied only to San Francisco).

So where is Laredo? On the border? Is it bigger than say, Austin, population wise? There must be other cities in Texas still not too far from the water (or bay or whatever they call it) -- say within an hour or so drive where the rent doesn't cost an arm and a leg. I know any place right on the water or bay would be too expensive. But I like to drive so that wouldn't bother me. I can drive anywhere. My first priority is a half way nice city with a decent place to rent, then line up some part time job, and then spend the rest of my time with my camera driving around to see everything. I love going to see all new places I haven't been to before.

I told my friend Misael (he's my gardener but more like a friend to me and I've known him forever) that I've got to practice speaking better Spanish if I ever hope to be able to get a job in Texas or some other state nearby. Besides, I want to learn it. I told Misael my problem is being able to be around enough people who speak it all the time so I can practice. He said he'd practice with me but I only see him once a week when he comes over to work so I'll have to find another person to practice speaking Spanish.

Better not marry one then. It's easier stop the sun in the sky than to convince a Texan to leave Texas.

#134 | Posted by goatman


I wish it was impossible to stop a Mexican from leaving Mexico. California is a huge magnet for them.

Cali I meant good luck finding an apt for 650 in the cali bay area or SF. That is where I am originally from.

Corpus Christie and Galveston is on the water. I would avoid Port Arthur TX though. They should be not too bad.

Is that what the Houston area is called -- the Bay Area?

Fuck no!

There must be other cities in Texas still not too far from the water

Corpus Christi is my favorite. I go there for a few days every time I am onshore. In fact, I'm looking closely at some beach property now. It is a lot cheaper than a couple of years ago. I'd like to use it for myself when I'm home, then rent it to vacationers while I'm offshore. I could probably get the mortgage paid that way.

I speak decent spanish since I lived in El Paso for 4 years and my sons mother is Mexican.

Galveston sucks

just hope I don't end up marrying a Texan that refuses to move back to Cali with me.

If she loves you enough to marry you, she'll move to California for you. But don't you think it would be a wiser move to ask her that question before propose to her. lol!

Geeze, I can't believe it's so late already. I'm not even tired but should probably try and get some sleep. Bought a car trunk load of foam this afternoon from a small foam outlet here in town to be able to pack up dishes, glasses and other breakable stuff. Tomorrow I'll cut it all down to size and pack up some more boxes. I'm throwing away almost as much as I'm packing so that's good. A lot of stuff needed to be cleared out anyway so now is a good a time as any.

I think I'll rent on of those PODS and just have my stuff shipped right to my new door -- wherever that will be! Talk about trying to do 50 things at once. I will NEVER move again after this, I swear!


Port Lavaca is nice. Freeport is nice.

upload.wikimedia.org

galveston looks cool

Port Lavaca is near Victoria. An ancestor of mine was one of the founders. There are still a lot of people there with the same last name as my first name there. (I was named after my g'grandmother's maiden name)

Galveston sucks.

You probably hate the song then too. lol I like it.

But since it's on the water I doubt it will be in the rental range I'm looking for anyway.

Just as long as I find a medium-sized town -- one that's not all just sagebrush and treeless -- then I don't mind having to drive to wherever. I like to drive. Just want to be somewhere with water nearby. Besides, when everything is all new to you, it's a lot more interesting. And who knows, maybe it will be another state. So hard to say when you haven't actually started to look with your feet on the ground. Like I said, I'm going to rent for the first 6 months to a year so I'm not locked in to some home sale contract. Wouldn't do that until I know if I'll like wherever I am.

"There are still a lot of people there with the same last name as my first name there."

Goat?






j/k

#147 FF

(I was named after my g'grandmother's maiden name)

g'grandmother -- she wouldn't be the one who is part Kiowa then, right? I think you told us it was your grandmother (on your Dad's side) when you showed us the photo on here.

Boy you sure have a lot of interesting history with deep roots in Texas. It would be interesting to have one of your relatives to trace everyone back as far as they can.

My history is all in New Jersey and East Coast states -- lots in Trenton and Dover area, with many traced back to pre-Revolutionary War times.

Where are you from, Danforth? Your main family members?

g'grandmother -- she wouldn't be the one who is part Kiowa then, right?

No, paternal grandfather's mother. The Kiowa is paternal grandmother.

As far as tracing that family -- I had a great aunt who did that. In fact most was already done and is in a bound book that I bought on the internet. That branch of the family is traced back to Westphalia Germany 15th century.

Also in that family (I'm related, of course but not descended from any of these, except the last one) is one of the three Confederate Generals that fought at Gettysburg, a very famous family in a large US city (I can't say the city, or the name would be obvious), a founder of a military academy that still bears that name, and the name of a county in Mississippi. The brother of the guy the county was named after was a bounty hunter who saved the ears of the people he captured. Also, one of the first German settlements in Maryland was settled by a direct ancestor of mine. It's a very interesting book full of stories and complete pedigree

#151 | Posted by goatman at 2009-06-26 05:07 AM


Quite a proud family history you have there, Goat.

There's always one in every family who puts together the family's history. My pateral great-great-grandmother did ours. She wanted to join the Daughters of the American Revolution so in order to be allowed to be a member she had to prove her heritage of having had an ancestor who fought in the Revolutionary War and that's why she had our family tree traced back to the late 1500's. I am forever grateful to her for doing it although, of course, I never met her.

So you were even able to buy the bound book about your family history on the internet? Wonderful to have all the information already put together and found for you to pass on.

I love all this history background. Find all our Americana so interesting.

Well, really do need to get some sleep, so need to say good night.

#82 | Posted by jackass

at my blog. remember the ip incident?

NANC, you have a blog?

Let me see if I get this right;

Citizens and legal aliens get burdened with higher taxes while illegals don't. I love my state.

Get rid of the state income tax and raise the state tax to evenly distribute the burden to everyone.

several.

i hate to say this, but rasta makes some sense here - abolish the state taxes and up the sales tax (on certain items) - that way everyone pays only what they can afford.

at my blog. remember the ip incident?

#153 | Posted by nanc


No I don't nanc. You and Dan are in cahoots together.

Port Lavaca is near Victoria. An ancestor of mine was one of the founders. There are still a lot of people there with the same last name as my first name there. (I was named after my g'grandmother's maiden name)

144 | Posted by goatman at 2009-06-26 04:42 AM


Being a history buff, especially Americana and military, I read about him today and about the Civil War Confederate general you referenced in your post #150. So much American history and deep roots both in Texas and in the making of our country. You should be very proud.

Get rid of the state income tax and raise the state tax to evenly distribute the burden to everyone.

#154 | Posted by chickenrancher at 2009-06-26 10:23 AM

It's a start, Chickenrancher, but California already has one of the highest state sales tax as it is. How much in taxes can be wrung out of us poor Californians!

" Civil War Confederate general "

Hood was one of mine; Johnny Come Lately.
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#157 | Posted by jackass

stoppit rasta - you know we busted you - get over it - i have.

Bust me nanc? You couldn't bust your way out of a wet paper bag. Keep dreaming.

i know you are but what am i?!?

nanc resorts to lying when she begins to lose an argument.

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